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[00:00:00] one-on-one on France 24.
[00:00:10] the question of
[00:01:02] "a part of the history of this city is disappearing
[00:01:05] because of demolitions and
[00:01:09] rehabilitations that don't quite respect what
[00:01:13] we call the safeguard and enhancement plan. The
[00:01:16] enhancement plan is a kind of
[00:01:20] behind them and I know what's behind them, that is architectural regulation that really allows the
[00:01:23] buildings to be
[00:01:26] rehabilitated in compliance with..."
[00:01:30] isn't it old?
[00:01:33] That was 2 years ago, the President of
[00:01:47] our population generally, people don't want to talk about it, especially in
[00:01:51] Cotonou, it's really a taboo subject. It's rare
[00:01:55] to see people
[00:01:58] movement in Georgia's talk about slavery in Cotonou. Well, I'm sure
[00:02:01] that this slavery, many Senegalese don't know about
[00:02:05] slavery,
[00:02:10] but the national narrative through methodology
[00:02:14] the law on foreign has focused on slavery for Gorée
[00:02:17] and on colonization for Saint-Louis, trying to show both
[00:02:21] sides, the
[00:02:23] and opposition members are bad
[00:02:26] multiplying. Several opposition useful side. That's why Senghor said colonization is an
[00:02:29] evil, so colonial rule is also an evil, a necessary evil. So there's a
[00:02:32] very painful part, we don't even want to talk about it, but there's still another part
[00:02:38] years ago, about three-quarters of today that can be well-valued.
[00:02:52] In Europe, he leads, he decides. Facing Caroline
[00:02:56] de Camaret, they answer all your questions. Americans are...
[00:03:00] unpredictable, a great guest confronted with the burning issues of
[00:03:03] current events in the 27 countries of the union and the concerns
[00:03:07] of citizens. He has only one dictator, it's Mr.
[00:03:10] Putin. Here is Europe, we're listening to you,
[00:03:13] presented by Caroline de Camaret, to watch on France
[00:03:16] 24.
[00:03:20] It's time for the face-off between our two editorialists Pablo Pilot
[00:03:24] Vivien and Dominique de Montvalon, hello to both of you, hello
[00:03:28] The procession advances to the sound of Roseline. The American Republicans had a
[00:03:31] difficult awakening this morning. The Democrats took back the House of
[00:03:35] Representatives and the Senate. So these are the midterm results. It's a
[00:03:38] huge setback for Donald Trump. He has 2
[00:03:42] years left in the White House. Does this defeat mark the limits
[00:03:46] of Trumpism, or is it a simple protest vote against a
[00:03:49] president who has become unpopular, particularly because of his
[00:03:53] war and the declining purchasing power and
[00:03:57] fuel prices that, as in all countries, have made
[00:04:00] dizzying leaps? For
[00:04:03] once, the polls were not wrong. It's an
[00:04:06] event of first importance, this
[00:04:09] result. What struck me - there are many things to
[00:04:12] say - but what struck me was the way Trump tried
[00:04:16] to re-channel his monumental failure from
[00:04:20] different angles,
[00:04:22] fines up to 1 million by reducing it to one thing, that is the which is real
[00:04:25] by the way, the problems of the price of fuel and
[00:04:29] so on. It's him first and foremost who was
[00:04:32] targeted. It's him
[00:04:35] first and foremost who receives today a monumental
[00:04:38] slap. I am very, very happy with this
[00:04:42] result, well, very happy to comment on results like that, well, you
[00:04:45] could, I said that, I'll own it. Well, I'm very happy with this result because
[00:04:49] I was
[00:04:52] own worried about the direction American democracy was taking
[00:04:54] for some months, some
[00:04:58] years, and if it became contagious
[00:05:01] and if it continued to be what it was under
[00:05:05] Trump, it was extremely worrying. Well, there's something that's
[00:05:08] invigorating, there you go, yes. So that's what Raphael Glucksmann says, but still
[00:05:14] we see Pablo among the
[00:05:18] Democratic elected officials, historically we still find a Native
[00:05:21] American woman, an openly gay man, and a
[00:05:25] Muslim. Is this a backlash,
[00:05:28] and a response to Trump's
[00:05:32] governance? Already, it corrects
[00:05:35] historical and sociological anomalies,
[00:05:39] which I didn't know about. I didn't know there had never been in the United States.
[00:05:54] Yes, and I think these symbols are very
[00:05:57] strong and that they
[00:06:00] say something about the reality of the sociological fabric
[00:06:04] of the United States. However, we must be
[00:06:07] careful also about what this
[00:06:11] victory, so to speak, of the Democratic camp, both in
[00:06:14] Congress, the Senate, and in the different states,
[00:06:18] means. That is to say that today they have no platform, they
[00:06:21] are not united in what they
[00:06:24] want. He has no leader, he has
[00:06:26] no
[00:06:28] no, but it's beyond the question of the figure, it's even on the question of the observation, that is to
[00:06:32] say that for example the defeat of Joe Biden in the
[00:06:36] last election, well, which led to the re-election
[00:06:39] of Donald Trump, well, basically, is it because he was... is it
[00:06:43] because he was too soft, not left enough? Is it because there was
[00:06:47] too much wokism? And there you have different
[00:06:50] personalities within the Democratic party who express different
[00:06:53] opinions,
[00:06:57] a bit broken with this, different words, and sometimes contradictory, sometimes
[00:07:01] contradictory, exactly. There is a debate in fact, there are debates, there are different
[00:07:05] dynamics within the Democratic camp. Should we put everything on
[00:07:08] the social question, only talk about transport and the...
[00:07:12] price of energy? Should we, on the contrary, highlight
[00:07:16] minorities, as you did in your enumeration of the
[00:07:19] different new Democratic
[00:07:23] elected officials? And so all that, all that, all that,
[00:07:26] all that, and in addition, we must keep in mind that, for
[00:07:29] example, there was a referendum that was proposed on the same day yesterday
[00:07:33] in California. It's a referendum on the taxation of billionaires, a
[00:07:37] very small tax, even smaller than the Zucman tax.
[00:07:39] It was supported by the
[00:07:43] Democratic Governor Gavin
[00:07:45] Newsom, and the referendum
[00:07:48] voted overwhelmingly for no. More than 55%
[00:07:52] of Californians said no, we do not want this tax. That is to
[00:07:55] say that the ground for the American
[00:07:58] left is far from
[00:08:02] well-rooted, well- stable. We remain in a country that is still the
[00:08:05] country of self-made men, it's a country of slavery until not
[00:08:09] very long ago. No, but it's true that all these stories.
[00:08:42] victory that puts them back in the saddle. They'll have to... so now
[00:08:53] I say the Democrats, the Democrats today are backed by a
[00:08:56] significant political,
[00:08:58] symbolic and sociological
[00:09:07] I'm going to talk rugby, they need to convert the try. They'll need to
[00:09:10] propose something. That someone emerges from their
[00:09:14] ranks. That doesn't happen in 3 months, to carry
[00:09:18] what the various states have said or
[00:09:21] had said. And
[00:09:24] also what do they propose that is
[00:09:27] different, credible, and able to help them win? And
[00:09:31] moreover, the return to favor of Obama, who remains the most
[00:09:35] popular personality in the Democratic camp by far, he's ahead of
[00:09:39] Kamala Harris, who is the second most popular personality in the
[00:09:42] Democratic camp. Well, this return to favor, what does it say? It says that they
[00:09:46] want a return to the old order in fact, a return to
[00:09:50] what was happening in the late 2000s, early 2010s when Obama was in
[00:09:53] power. Obama, who also to some extent
[00:09:57] allowed Donald Trump to come to power because he did a whole
[00:10:01] series, but that's not, it's not, it's an observation. Well, I prefer
[00:10:04] Obama to Donald Trump, that's for sure. Uh, but it's true that the way he
[00:10:08] handled, for example, the subprime crisis in the United States, where
[00:10:11] he largely funded
[00:10:13] the banks, well, that also to some extent
[00:10:17] made some Americans face the fact that
[00:10:21] wait, why did he give money to the banks and we still have no money? It's not
[00:10:25] possible and we are still relegated from globalization and the issue of racism
[00:10:28] in the United States is not resolved despite the fact that our president
[00:10:31] is black. So it doesn't mean we don't like
[00:10:35] Americans, I mean I like them and I'm happy to see them come back
[00:10:38] with their contradictions but also with their strength and their history on
[00:10:42] paths that can tomorrow bring them back
[00:10:45] and bring one of their own to the White House, but on
[00:10:49] paths that are nice, that are
[00:10:52] that have made their glory. Well,
[00:10:58] the comments on American TV are a bit worried. On the Democratic
[00:11:02] side of TV, specialists say, but we don't know what
[00:11:05] Donald Trump will do. He's a wounded man, he's an
[00:11:09] angry man. He remains the President of the United States of America for 2 years.
[00:11:12] What madness will he
[00:11:15] do after these crushing
[00:11:19] defeats? Yes, but he will have a camp that beat him
[00:11:22] facing him. There you go, that's right.
[00:11:31] It's obvious. We're going to talk about the reactions in France, those of Raphael Glucksmann and
[00:11:35] Jordan Bardella. I suggest you
[00:11:36] listen to them.
[00:11:45] to respect the verdict of the polls and these
[00:11:48] midterms, which are generally unfavorable to the incumbent
[00:11:51] president. What is certain is that Donald Trump's second term
[00:11:55] is clearly very different in its philosophy, in its foreign
[00:11:59] policy, than President Trump's first term, whose
[00:12:03] political ambition was to withdraw the United
[00:12:06] States from major global conflicts. It turns out
[00:12:10] that the American intervention in Iran has very serious consequences for
[00:12:14] the American economy, I think, but also for
[00:12:17] the European economy and especially for the purchasing power of our
[00:12:19] compatriots. There you go, so
[00:12:23] we feel a little... a little convoluted. So Raphael
[00:12:27] Glucksmann says these American elections mark the victory of democracy
[00:12:31] and decency. There is no inevitability in politics and this
[00:12:34] Democratic surge is a message of hope for all. So these
[00:12:38] two reactions, I'd like us to talk about them, Dominique. In France, on the left, we can clearly see that the
[00:12:41] victory of the Democrats is fundamentally presented as proof
[00:12:45] that resistance to Trump can pay off and that
[00:12:48] Trumpism is not an irresistible dynamic, not an
[00:12:51] inevitability. Well, we're happy about it, we didn't even need
[00:12:55] to, if I may say so, Raphael Glucksmann
[00:12:59] to make this observation ourselves,
[00:13:02] we, all American voters, but today French
[00:13:06] Europeans, etcetera. Yes, but everything
[00:13:10] is opening up, everything is opening up because
[00:13:13] Trump, defeated and somewhat politically
[00:13:17] wounded, can, yes, I'm taking up what Pablo said,
[00:13:21] I completely agree, he can be dangerous, well, he can seek revenge.
[00:13:25] It's not certain, but it's possible. But on the other
[00:13:28] hand, what interests me is the Democrats, and the
[00:13:31] Democrats really need to get out of the quagmire they're in.
[00:13:35] They are, and that means two things:
[00:13:38] finding, and I'll put them in the reverse order of what's
[00:13:41] needed, finding a leader who can channel a
[00:13:44] Barack Obama of, no, but I'm talking about France but you're going back to the United States
[00:13:48] but but well it's not yes but no but I
[00:13:52] yes no no but because I am...
[00:13:55] I think it's more important in the United States, but no, but of course, but no, but we
[00:13:59] need to and to have and to have, no, but wait
[00:14:02] second point Roseline, don't act, uh, second
[00:14:06] point, to have
[00:14:08] something to sell to the American people, something that
[00:14:12] makes, that makes, that makes
[00:14:14] if not unanimity, but that allows a majority to emerge.
[00:14:18] So I mean Glucksmann applauded
[00:14:22] you say Glucksmann you Gluck no
[00:14:28] but you're right to correct me today I don't know I am but I know what I mean but no he doesn't have
[00:14:32] no you're very good Dominique well thank you Roseline so
[00:14:35] so but no but I mean
[00:14:38] the leader of the non-Mélenchonist
[00:14:40] left is rejoicing, we understand him, we
[00:14:44] understand him. Uh, we hope
[00:14:47] he will take other steps quite quickly,
[00:14:50] that is, be able himself also
[00:14:53] to propose something. to do that will be
[00:14:57] tomorrow or the day after tomorrow a majority. He has work to do, he has work to do. Pablo, no
[00:15:00] reaction from Marine Le Pen but rather from Jordan Bardella.
[00:15:04] So the National Rally, which
[00:15:07] visibly distances itself from
[00:15:10] Donald Trump, because we remember that in 2017
[00:15:13] Marine Le Pen had gone to sort of hang around Trump Tower hoping
[00:15:16] to see, yes, to see if she
[00:15:20] could meet Donald Trump. Today we really feel
[00:15:26] with, so is it that this distance is not
[00:15:29] ideological? It's perhaps we're distancing ourselves because well he's
[00:15:33] he's controversial and radioactive, but fundamentally
[00:15:36] ideologically there are still between
[00:15:39] the two, well, things that
[00:15:43] converge. There are absolutely things that converge,
[00:15:48] the reactionary international, to use the term that was used by the President of the
[00:15:51] Republic to describe all these global far-right
[00:15:54] movements, of which Donald Trump was a key
[00:15:58] figure, but in which you found Javier Milei, Bolsonaro, who
[00:16:01] suffered a defeat not long ago,
[00:16:05] Netanyahu in Israel, almost a
[00:16:08] defeat also in Israel, Vučić in
[00:16:11] Serbia, who also suffered a defeat. This reactionary
[00:16:15] international is taking a lot of blows
[00:16:18] everywhere in the world, so it's normal that
[00:16:22] the French far-right says, "Well, we don't want to be on the
[00:16:25] losing side, so we're going to distance ourselves a bit."
[00:16:29] Especially since this distancing had
[00:16:33] started a long time ago because indeed the
[00:16:36] character, the furious character, the
[00:16:40] specificity of the French far-right is that it
[00:16:43] has been advancing masked for at least fifteen years now, since Jean-Marie
[00:16:47] Le Pen gave his hand a
[00:16:49] long time ago. How do I spend my time? I don't
[00:16:53] look at their masks, I look at what's
[00:16:57] anti-Semitism and racism, and
[00:17:01] that was also recalled by Mediapart, there's little but that's their
[00:17:05] political proposal, it's a position of "we are
[00:17:08] de-demonized so we want nothing to do with the
[00:17:11] neo-Nazis of Alternative for Deutschland, we want nothing to
[00:17:15] do with the follies of Trump and his
[00:17:18] way of kind of messing up the
[00:17:21] international game," except that, except that
[00:17:25] in fact they belong to this reactionary international, and
[00:17:28] so that's why we see, we were commenting on
[00:17:31] Jordan Bardella speaking on RTL, we see that he's uncomfortable,
[00:17:34] he doesn't quite know how to handle it. So he
[00:17:38] gives a description, a kind of cold assessment of what
[00:17:42] happened, saying yes, it's a defeat for Donald Trump and a
[00:17:45] victory for the Democrats. Great, thank you Jordan Bardella, we didn't need
[00:17:48] a party president to tell us these things. As for what
[00:17:52] Glucksmann says, I
[00:17:54] understand him too. He wants to go against the tide. He will
[00:17:58] now have to prove that he can
[00:18:02] make a proposal that is likely to win a
[00:18:06] majority.
[00:18:08] a project that can, a project capable of
[00:18:11] pleasing a majority of French people in this
[00:18:15] specific case, has Donald Trump fundamentally become a burden
[00:18:18] for populist right-wing parties in Europe and around the world, since you
[00:18:22] were talking about it, it's becoming it's becoming for these right-wing
[00:18:26] parties that Pablo, that internationally it's becoming
[00:18:30] indeed complicated in the current phase. Caution, three steps back
[00:18:33] or two steps sideways and and and... and
[00:18:37] we try not to show ourselves too much with him, but let's say
[00:18:41] two things: let's not forget that not long ago, he was a
[00:18:44] very positive reference that some, no, but we can't
[00:18:48] abruptly change so quickly like that, and
[00:18:52] it's not over, or the future
[00:18:54] is not decided, or Trump and the
[00:18:58] Trumpists are heading into a
[00:19:02] dead end and are finishing losing the
[00:19:05] next time what they still have left of... power today, or who
[00:19:09] knows, no right or not? Yes, I agree,
[00:19:13] and especially since Donald Trump has
[00:19:16] always, he has always, exactly, he still has the lever of
[00:19:20] American power and particularly American financial
[00:19:23] power. Let's not forget that a few months ago he gave millions
[00:19:26] to the Argentinians to save them from
[00:19:29] bankruptcy, that he had also promised millions to
[00:19:33] Orban in Hungary if he
[00:19:36] won. Fortunately, he was defeated, but they have that
[00:19:40] power to say, and he did it in several
[00:19:43] countries, if it's the one I decided would
[00:19:46] win, the one I like who wins, I will
[00:19:49] invest in your country and life will be
[00:19:53] better. Will he continue to do that in the next two
[00:19:56] years or not? Will he try to interfere, for example, in
[00:20:00] our elections, in the elections in France, by supporting Marine Le Pen
[00:20:04] or not? You also have Elon Musk who is spending, who has spent.
[00:20:16] I remind you that he tweets, so he can interfere
[00:20:20] with algorithms, he can interfere by changing algorithms
[00:20:24] to try to boost the National Rally, if
[00:20:27] it were his
[00:20:29] country. I
[00:20:33] I hear that, there are questions and
[00:20:36] they are serious.
[00:20:45] have just proven again that it existed and that there were
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[00:22:14] is a total falsification,
[00:22:17] a total theft of your votes.
[00:22:23] Georgia accused the ruling party, the Georgian
[00:22:27] Dream, of having used Russian methods to win
[00:22:31] the legislative elections. Many countries, including France, had
[00:22:35] called for an international investigation into possible irregularities,
[00:22:39] but the results had been maintained, and this election
[00:22:42] had triggered two large demonstrations which have now
[00:22:45] become the longest protest
[00:22:48] history. Every week, several hundred
[00:22:52] people gather to protest with an even greater
[00:22:56] mobilization on certain key dates. And the Georgian
[00:22:59] Dream, for its part, has intensified repression:
[00:23:04] agents has been toughened, several associations
[00:23:07] and NGOs have had to reduce or suspend their activities,
[00:23:11] arrests of demonstrators, activists,
[00:23:13] l'opposition se
[00:23:16] figures have even been imprisoned, and critics of the government claim
[00:23:20] that Russia continues to exert its influence over
[00:23:24] Georgia. A few
[00:23:28] the Georgian population declared themselves in favor of joining the European
[00:23:31] Union. Today, the accession process is suspended and
[00:23:35] European hope is at a standstill. Bill returns to
[00:23:39] Georgia. This is a report by Mariagert Nicolescu and Bastien
[00:23:43] Renault.
[00:24:00] advance with caution
[00:24:03] to avoid Russian
[00:24:04] soldiers.
[00:24:11] You see on the ridge, the wood has been
[00:24:14] cut. It's a road made by the
[00:24:18] Russians.
[00:24:21] We're going to climb diagonally up the hill to
[00:24:24] inspect
[00:24:26] the barbed wire.
[00:24:50] We are arriving at the occupation line. You see,
[00:24:53] it's the barrier erected by the Russians that
[00:24:56] goes down the middle of the
[00:24:57] forest.
[00:25:02] It is located about 500 meters below the official line
[00:25:05] of the so-called ceasefire agreement.
[00:25:21] not me and my friends, there is no political will to curb
[00:25:25] Russia, that's the reality and it's very
[00:25:28] sad.
[00:25:34] Okay, we have to go. On the way back, we
[00:25:37] notice these marks used by soldiers to navigate
[00:25:41] Georgian territory. The government does not seem to want
[00:25:45] to prevent these
[00:25:45] incursions.
[00:25:50] say they don't want to provoke the Russians.
[00:25:53] Okay, we don't provoke Russia,
[00:25:57] but not defending our land and our
[00:26:00] citizens is truly insane.
[00:26:38] Our only protection against Russia is the
[00:26:41] support of Western countries and
[00:26:44] their structures, the European Union, NATO, and
[00:26:47] so on.
[00:26:55] The Russian military bases are only
[00:26:57] a few hundred meters from the demarcation
[00:27:00] line.
[00:27:41] We grow all types of fruits, peaches, apples, pears,
[00:27:44] plums, absolutely everything, mulberries
[00:27:47] too.
[00:27:51] In 2024, they voted for the Georgian Dream, the ruling
[00:27:55] party.
[00:28:32] the capital, it has been more than 700 days since Georgians
[00:28:36] expressed their anger against the
[00:28:38] government.
[00:28:44] I hold the European flag because the European Union will decide our
[00:28:48] fate. We strongly hope that the European Union hears our
[00:28:51] voices and
[00:28:52] supports us.
[00:28:57] Citizens commemorate the loss of control of another Georgian
[00:29:01] region. Our government is very pro-
[00:29:05] Russian
[00:29:10] and supports Russian interests in the
[00:29:12] country.
[00:29:15] Our main treasure is independence, and we will
[00:29:19] fight for it until the
[00:29:20] end.
[00:29:30] the European anthem, an echo of.
[00:30:02] to demonstrate because many have been fined
[00:30:05] and these smart cameras have scared everyone.
[00:30:09] Gota Chanturia is one of the
[00:30:12] leaders of the protest movement.
[00:30:16] he himself is targeted by the
[00:30:17] regime.
[00:30:21] In total, I received
[00:30:24] laris. Around 200,000
[00:30:27] euros.
[00:30:30] The government is trying to erase me or force me to leave the
[00:30:33] country.
[00:30:38] The fines coupled with other financial problems forced him
[00:30:42] to sell his house. After several months
[00:30:44] of uncertainty, a crowdfunding campaign allowed him
[00:30:48] to bounce back. With his family, he is gradually
[00:30:51] settling into this new
[00:30:53] apartment.
[00:30:56] My bank accounts have been frozen.