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[00:00:24] every time I listen to the news, Trump says something racist or
[00:00:27] homophobic, it's exhausting. "We
[00:00:30] were a beautiful country, now we're the country everyone laughs
[00:00:34] at,
[00:00:37] I almost take it as an insult, when someone tells me, 'Oh, you're American,' I
[00:00:40] say yes,
[00:00:41] unfortunately.
[00:00:45] The first time Trump was elected, I
[00:00:48] had just entered university, and everything was
[00:00:52] different. I had the right to decide what happened to my
[00:00:55] body, it became really hard to be a woman in
[00:00:58] the United States." And from the moment a woman is forced
[00:01:02] to have a child when she could die from it, it's no longer a country where I want to
[00:01:05] live.
[00:01:08] This was one of Donald Trump's major battles. Since
[00:01:11] 2022, the right to abortion is no longer guaranteed in
[00:01:14] the United States, and the number of women prosecuted for pregnancy-related
[00:01:18] crimes has increased sixfold. So
[00:01:22] this summer, Emma Hensley left the Florida sun and headed
[00:01:26] to Dublin. Leaving was an easy
[00:01:29] decision. Trump made it very easy. As soon as I
[00:01:33] arrived in Ireland, I could
[00:01:35] the publishing me, it did me good. At
[00:01:38] 28, she's starting a new student life at Trinity
[00:01:42] College, the oldest Irish
[00:01:44] university.
[00:01:47] Here, American student enrollments have doubled on average in recent
[00:01:50] years, and more and more PhD students and
[00:01:54] professors are coming to enjoy academic freedom, now
[00:01:57] threatened in the United States.
[00:02:07] At the business school, many, like Emma, who worked at
[00:02:10] bit a victim of her frivolous image, of Microsoft, fled the tech sector crisis in the United States
[00:02:14] to try their luck in Ireland.
[00:02:18] They told me there was no more budget for my position due to our
[00:02:21] investments in artificial intelligence. It's a
[00:02:25] way of saying that AI took my place, so I
[00:02:29] have to go back to school, learn to talk to the CEO. In any case,
[00:02:33] in Ireland, there are many
[00:02:35] opportunities,
[00:02:38] opportunities, because for 20 years, Silicon
[00:02:41] Valley giants like Meta, Salesforce, Google, and
[00:02:45] Airbnb have made Dublin their European base, attracted by a
[00:02:48] favorable tax system.
[00:02:51] Thanks to them, Ireland has one of the strongest growth rates in the European
[00:02:55] Union. Since Donald
[00:02:58] Trump's re-election, nearly 20,000 Americans have settled
[00:03:02] on the island. For some, it's also a return
[00:03:05] to their roots, because one in ten Americans claims
[00:03:09] Irish roots, like these tourists from
[00:03:12] Chicago. We were told about this in school, the
[00:03:16] great Dutch family, part of my family immigrated at that
[00:03:19] time and the other after.
[00:03:23] In County Cork, Cove was the main departure
[00:03:26] Stanislas Rigo, manager of port. This is where Danielle Rottman's ancestors
[00:03:30] embarked for the New World in the 30s.
[00:03:34] female condition, whether through I feel like I've come home.
[00:03:37] Nearly a century later, he has made the reverse
[00:03:40] journey. In Alaska, he was an engineer at
[00:03:43] the American agency for the protection of oceans, fishing, and
[00:03:47] climate. In 2025, she became the target
[00:03:50] of Elon Musk, tasked by a freshly re-elected Donald
[00:03:53] Trump to save the government a trillion
[00:03:56] dollars. They saw a whole bunch of...
[00:04:00] marine biologists, doctors who spent their time counting
[00:04:03] fish and then telling fishermen not to
[00:04:06] catch them. For a billionaire who builds
[00:04:10] rockets and
[00:04:13] time, yes, with this refrain about computers, all this made no sense, so he said: Get rid
[00:04:16] of half. Daniel loses his job, as does half of
[00:04:20] his department. The cuts also affect weather and national
[00:04:23] parks, with serious consequences for
[00:04:25] the environment.
[00:04:28] What Trump is doing
[00:04:31] deeply harms our
[00:04:34] ambushed China, we will talk about country, its image in the world, its economic weight, and its
[00:04:38] foundation as a democratic
[00:04:40] republic.
[00:04:43] Forced into early retirement, he is starting his life over in the small town of Malo.
[00:04:52] disputes between states and EU
[00:05:14] Daniel carefully keeps his memories of the anti-Trump demonstrations.
[00:05:30] I've always felt Irish, that's why I would like
[00:05:33] citizenship.
[00:05:57] door to citizenship. So, like Danielle, more than 30,000
[00:06:01] Americans have applied for passports since 2024, an unprecedented
[00:06:47] situation, and we, I think, look at it with humor.
[00:06:51] You're in the right place, don't
[00:06:54] worry.
[00:06:56] I think most Irish people are not very pro-
[00:07:14] Danielle's wife will join him soon, they will only
[00:07:17] return to the United States to see their
[00:07:20] children. For others, the departure is
[00:07:23] definitive.
[00:07:26] This is the case for Ophelia, 25 years old, and her wife Zara,
[00:07:29] 23 years old, a transgender
[00:07:37] they left everything behind to seek asylum in Ireland
[00:07:41] and are content €38 per week
[00:07:44] each. Well, we do what we can, but it's not so bad, you
[00:07:48] see, we bought
[00:07:49] canned goods.
[00:07:52] In general, we buy a lot of canned
[00:07:53] goods.
[00:07:56] Since Trump's return, the United States only recognizes two
[00:08:00] biological sexes, and the administration is multiplying measures
[00:08:03] limiting the rights of transgender people. These
[00:08:06] policies have led to an increase in violence that Ophelia and Zara have
[00:08:10] suffered directly.
[00:08:43] After a first interview, their asylum application is being
[00:08:46] processed, a procedure that can take
[00:08:49] years. If rejected, they could be deported back to
[00:08:53] the United States.
[00:09:02] We hope that one day we will have legal status and be able to start
[00:09:06] working.
[00:09:12] I didn't have that chance. and then build a decent
[00:09:14] life.
[00:09:17] We'll see, but yes, we will
[00:09:19] see. Like Ophelia and Zara,
[00:09:23] 94 Americans applied for asylum in Ireland last
[00:09:26] year, an unprecedented number. In Dublin courts, nothing has yet
[00:09:30] been decided, but for lawyer Kaal Malon, these cases could
[00:09:33] create a legal precedent difficult to
[00:09:35] navigate. To be honest, at first I found it a bit
[00:09:39] delusional, but the more we look at what is happening in the United States,
[00:09:43] people, the more we realize that, in many ways, the
[00:09:47] request is completely
[00:09:48] legitimate.
[00:09:54] There have been enormous changes at the federal level. Hospitals are
[00:09:58] threatened with budget cuts if they provide transition care, and the
[00:10:02] State Department is also interfering by refusing to issue passports to people who do not
[00:10:05] apply with their sex at birth.
[00:10:09] If Ireland grants asylum to a whatever it may be, it is a
[00:10:13] direct criticism of that country. So, when the requests come
[00:10:16] from a country we consider a friend, we end up with a diplomatic
[00:10:19] problem.
[00:10:22] Historically allied with the United States, the authorities.
[00:11:26] I think like many countries in the
[00:11:29] world,
[00:11:31] Ireland is willing to criticize Trump's policy when
[00:11:34] necessary, but it also wants to stay on good terms with him.
[00:11:52] especially in the tech and pharmaceutical sectors. a lot of tax
[00:11:58] Even with advantageous taxation, American
[00:12:01] companies represent 75% of the corporate tax collected
[00:12:04] by Dublin. Without them, the famous Celtic
[00:12:08] Tiger would collapse.
[00:12:11] These multinationals, MMA and many American students dream of working
[00:12:14] for them one day. While waiting to graduate, they are enjoying a
[00:12:18] new start and closely following the
[00:12:20] elections.
[00:12:23] It will take at least 5 or 10 years to...
[00:12:56] Emma plans to settle permanently in
[00:12:58] Ireland, and she's not the only one. According to a recent
[00:13:01] poll, 20% of Americans say they want to leave the United States.
[00:13:21] The 124th Prix Goncourt was awarded
[00:13:25] in the first round of voting to Philippe
[00:13:28] Genada.
[00:13:31] It's a tradition, the most prestigious of French literary
[00:13:34] prizes was announced from the Drouant restaurant in Paris, and it's
[00:13:38] a historical and literary investigation that was rewarded
[00:13:42] with "The Unknown of Ketjavel" by
[00:17:01] Prix Goncourt. Reaction: it's joy, I'm happy, it's a pleasure,
[00:17:05] it was suspense.
[00:17:07] It's funny, I also think of Louise Canso and especially all the young
[00:17:11] women who resembled her or who resemble her even today,
[00:17:15] so for me it's an achievement if you will, it's in any case an
[00:17:18] honor, but well, I
[00:17:21] think of people who are not at Drouant right now, I absolutely don't want my life
[00:17:25] to change, I'm going to be a bit in some whirlwinds, some small
[00:17:28] turbulences, but I want to quickly find my peaceful,
[00:17:31] immobile, isolated life of writing in
[00:17:35] a few weeks, a few
[00:20:26] will note nevertheless that the laureate is once again a
[00:20:29] man. In 124 editions, the Goncourt has crowned only 13
[00:20:33] women, which is only one out of 10, and this rate has not changed
[00:20:36] much until today, while women, let's remember, wrote 53%
[00:20:40] of the novels recorded in 2025 by
[00:20:43] the legal deposit observatory of the Bibliothèque Nationale de France.
[00:20:47] Parity, we're not quite there yet at the Goncourt. He still
[00:20:51] has work to do. And since we're talking about figures, Stanislas, for
[00:20:55] 10 years, the books awarded the Goncourt prize have sold at
[00:20:58] least 200,000 copies in the year of their victory. This continues in subsequent
[00:21:02] years, almost 500,000 for Laurent
[00:21:16] that systematically multiplies, that is to say that even a very criticized Goncourt... even
[00:21:20] a perhaps weak Goncourt, it will be a sale, typically in the
[00:21:23] bookstore, a low Goncourt is 300 copies, there are
[00:21:27] very few books that I see at 300 copies a year in fact, so that means
[00:21:31] that even uh a Goncourt not not
[00:21:34] really important or one like that remains a very big seller and for
[00:21:38] example in these last years the Andrea Veillé sur
[00:21:41] elle uh it returns in January we are very impatient
[00:21:45] uh sold 2500 copies that's and then you
[00:21:48] must not forget that there is the paperback
[00:22:17] it's true that the race for this Goncourt prize
[00:22:21] 2026 was marked by the controversy that is currently unsettling
[00:22:25] world, the one concerning Telison
[00:22:28] Aurélien's book, "This or Die", which was on the lists of many
[00:22:32] literary prizes, the Canadian author of Haitian origin who was accused
[00:22:35] of using artificial intelligence for
[00:22:38] the writing of this very acclaimed first novel, suspicions confirmed
[00:22:41] since by his Canadian publishing house which broke his
[00:22:44] contract, and his name was therefore removed from all the lists of
[00:22:48] prizes, Stanislas. What is your view on all
[00:22:52] this? Is it also a concern in bookstores among
[00:22:54] readers? No, I think, well, it's
[00:22:58] a question, the thing about this
[00:23:20] I loved this book so much, uh I read it twice, I hosted
[00:23:24] the author, it really broke my heart, really, should there be a
[00:23:27] mention perhaps written with AI, is that something we
[00:23:31] could imagine? In fact, in all the crystallization of the
[00:23:34] debates, there have been so many debates about it, in fact it has been, in fact, very little
[00:23:38] understood, which is however one of the keys, in my opinion, to the book, to
[00:24:08] we are in the middle of the literary prize season so the second Goncourt prize
[00:24:11] Renaudot was awarded in the wake of François Henry des
[00:24:14] Érables for "Le Palais", the Prix
[00:30:26] France international with a disruptive American president like
[00:30:30] Donald Trump who challenges international law. an expansionist
[00:30:33] Vladimir Putin and an
[00:30:37] the rule of law in Europe, and for that
[00:30:40] we welcome the president of the Court of Justice of the European
[00:30:43] Union, hello, this institution,
[00:30:46] I specify, European is based in
[00:30:49] Luxembourg and interprets European legislation, settles
[00:30:54] institutions, but also sometimes those between individuals, businesses,
[00:30:58] NGOs, and an institution that would have...