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[00:00:09] Hello everyone, welcome to "Let's Talk About It". Here are the headlines for this
[00:00:12] Thursday. An Airbus A320 connecting
[00:00:15] Dublin and Rome was diverted this Thursday to the Evreux
[00:00:19] air base due to a bomb threat, information that
[00:00:22] just came from Matignon. We will give you the
[00:00:24] there is a war in Iran started by real-time situation and the latest information with Sylvain Rousseau in a
[00:00:27] moment. Public and private sector employees are called
[00:00:31] to stop work today for wages and against the high cost of living. High school students and university students
[00:00:34] will join some of the 250 protests planned across the country. It's a national
[00:00:38] strike and mobilization day called by unions that
[00:00:42] is disrupting France 24 broadcasts. Pauline Godard will
[00:00:45] explain the issues in a moment. Also, the American consulate in Hong
[00:00:49] Kong strongly condemns the prison sentence handed down to Joshua Wong, the
[00:00:53] 30-year-old pro-democracy activist, a face of resistance against
[00:00:56] Beijing, who will remain imprisoned for 10 more years.
[00:01:11] So, this is one of the morning's news items: this Airbus A320 that was connecting
[00:01:15] Dublin and Rome, which was diverted a few hours ago to the
[00:01:18] Evreux air base in France due to a bomb threat. Hello
[00:01:22] Sylvain Rousseau,
[00:01:24] market and resolve an energy hello. What information do you have to
[00:01:27] give us about this plane that landed in
[00:01:30] Evreux? Yes, that's right, it's Air Lingus's Airbus A320 that
[00:01:34] was, as you said, connecting Dublin and Rome. There was a bomb
[00:01:37] threat concerning this plane, so it was diverted
[00:01:41] to an isolated area where it
[00:01:44] could land without any problems in case of... and especially explode if
[00:01:48] there was a problem, so it was diverted to the Evreux air base
[00:01:51] in Normandy, in France. We know that the plane landed, we know that the
[00:01:55] passengers were evacuated, and as I speak to you, bomb disposal teams
[00:02:00] act on your own, however, are inspecting the plane to... determine whether or not there was a bomb on board this plane. It turns
[00:02:03] government and the Ministry of out that alerts have been multiplying in European skies for a few
[00:02:06] days now. Yes, it's indeed an unusual concentration of false alerts. It must
[00:02:10] be clarified that so far all these alerts
[00:02:13] responsible today for the increase in energy are false. They target European flights mostly departing from the United Kingdom or Ireland, like the
[00:02:16] flight this morning that departed from Dublin. There are about
[00:02:20] ten flights that are affected by these
[00:02:23] threats. For now, no explosives have been found in
[00:02:27] any of these planes. Is it
[00:02:30] a coordinated campaign? We don't know yet. Obviously, the investigation is ongoing. For now, there are no
[00:02:34] claims, no identified perpetrators, no established link
[00:02:37] between these different threats. So it's true that these days, there's often a tendency to
[00:02:41] suspect state interference. Likewise, no evidence
[00:02:45] currently allows us to confirm it. No evidence of a terrorist
[00:02:48] act either. What is certain is that even if these false
[00:02:52] alerts are bound to multiply in the coming days, all
[00:02:56] measures will be taken to obviously isolate these planes, these planes
[00:03:00] threatened, these planes suspected of carrying a bomb. Are there
[00:03:03] precedents? Yes, there are several precedents and even very
[00:03:07] recent precedents. The first one that comes to mind was in India, in
[00:03:11] 2024, more than 720 threats on
[00:03:14] planes during 2024, including 500 in October
[00:03:18] which is organized at the call of alone. On October 29, there were even 100 threats, about a hundred
[00:03:21] threats in a single day in India.
[00:03:25] Likewise, no perpetrator identified, we don't know exactly what happened. In fact, it's often what we
[00:03:28] call a contagion effect, meaning
[00:03:31] someone sends an alert, and then we realize that the result is actually
[00:03:35] nice, the plane is isolated, it creates a bit of a mess, and so these
[00:03:39] alerts sometimes multiply by other people. There was
[00:03:43] also a precedent in France in October 2023 which didn't directly concern
[00:03:46] planes. If you remember, it was airports that had been targeted by bomb
[00:03:50] threats. Lille, Nantes, Toulouse, Beauvais, Strasbourg, and even Lyon had to be
[00:03:54] evacuated. Three planes had also been diverted following
[00:03:58] 98 which this wave of threats, and throughout the year, very
[00:04:00] regularly all over the world, there are isolated regular alerts. As I told you, what
[00:04:04] will happen is that this contagion
[00:04:08] effect will take hold, but of course we are always very careful with
[00:04:11] this. The last plane that was lost because of a
[00:04:15] bomb was in October 2015, it was the
[00:04:18] flight from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg. 224 dead due to an
[00:04:22] improvised explosive device.
[00:04:24] Thank you Sylvain. You'll come back to us, of course, when
[00:04:28] you have more information about the Dublin to Rome flight diverted to Evreux.
[00:04:31] As you told us, the passengers, and I imagine the crew members as well, are
[00:04:35] safe as we speak, and it's important to
[00:04:38] mention that it's a new day of social mobilization
[00:04:42] today in France, the first since September, involving both public
[00:04:46] and private sectors. It also sees high school students and university students who have been
[00:04:49] involved for several weeks joining in. I think we saw images from Marseille.
[00:04:53] A strike call launched by a inter-union, a call for
[00:04:56] gatherings, protest routes are subject to
[00:05:00] discussion with the authorities. Among the demands are salary
[00:05:04] increases, the safeguarding of public services, and specifically the defense of the right to
[00:05:07] demonstrate. Pauline Godard, you'll have to
[00:05:11] tell me where you are, because I haven't received that
[00:05:14] information. Uh Pauline, are you still in
[00:05:17] Aubervilliers?
[00:05:20] Yes, absolutely. I'm still in Aubervilliers in front of the Lecorbusier high school.
[00:05:24] So I don't know if you can see just behind me, there are
[00:05:27] these police officers, and facing these police officers, there are high
[00:05:31] school students in the front line, but also elected officials
[00:05:34] and teachers. They are facing the police.
[00:05:38] A few minutes ago, these
[00:05:41] high school students were right in front of
[00:05:44] the high school, and they were blocking the
[00:05:48] street. Police arrived and tried to dislodge them.
[00:05:52] Some high school students fired fireworks, mortar
[00:05:55] shots. The police tried to dislodge them quite
[00:05:59] forcefully. There were some teachers who had formed a
[00:06:03] human chain in front of the high school students to defend them.
[00:06:07] We saw that one of the teachers had been injured in the head because some
[00:06:10] teachers were hit with batons. After several summons
[00:06:14] from the police, the high school students did not want
[00:06:17] to move. Tear gas was fired. These
[00:06:21] tear gas shots occurred. We also
[00:06:24] suffered these tear gas
[00:06:28] shots, so everyone dispersed, and once they
[00:06:31] had finished dispersing, they came and stood right behind me, as I
[00:06:35] told you, in this street. For the moment, the situation
[00:06:38] has returned to calm. The person who was
[00:06:42] injured is currently being treated by the
[00:06:46] firefighters who arrived on the scene to treat
[00:06:49] this person. So, the ambulance is leaving
[00:06:52] with the person who was injured in the head. It is true
[00:06:56] that earlier, when we arrived, the situation, at least
[00:06:59] around 7:15, 7:30 in the morning, was calm. We saw
[00:07:03] these high school students who were in front of this high school, as
[00:07:07] Emilia explained to me, they intend to not give up,
[00:07:10] they want to continue to demonstrate.
[00:07:12] because they believe that the
[00:07:16] Education have given them only crumbs.
[00:07:19] I quote Emilia explained to me that she and her
[00:07:23] classmates did not feel supported, did not feel listened to. They do feel
[00:07:27] supported by teachers, specifically, teachers
[00:07:31] here who are also present, as I told you, notably to
[00:07:34] try to protect the
[00:07:37] high school students from the police or from the violence that
[00:07:41] might occur. And that we saw earlier, it's still a bit
[00:07:45] of an effect, we saw this violence. So, it must
[00:07:48] also be said that when we talk to these teachers, they tell us that they are
[00:07:51] proud of their students, they are proud that they are mobilizing and that they
[00:07:55] continue to mobilize. They also tell us they have the same demands, they
[00:07:59] are asking for more resources, that the education budget
[00:08:03] stops decreasing year by
[00:08:06] year. They also ask, they are fighting for teachers
[00:08:10] to be replaced, and we also know that earlier at 12:30
[00:08:13] normally a large gathering should take place in front of the
[00:08:17] Aubervilliers town hall, a gathering with students but
[00:08:20] also 61 and the various unions, and their objective is
[00:08:23] to then go to Place de la République to be able to
[00:08:26] participate in this large demonstration
[00:08:30] the inter-union but also the Yellow Vests, student unions,
[00:08:34] high school unions, a large demonstration that should start from République
[00:08:38] and go to Nation. Pauline Godard from Aubervilliers,
[00:08:41] thank you very much. Pauline, also in the news
[00:08:45] this Thursday, he is one of the figures of the pro-democracy movement in Hong
[00:08:48] Kong, Joshua Wong. He is 30 years old, he has been detained for
[00:08:52] several years, he has just been sentenced to 10 additional years in prison. He
[00:08:56] faced life imprisonment for collusion with foreign
[00:08:59] countries, according to the prosecution. Application of the national security law desired
[00:09:02] by Beijing to bring to heel this long-autonomous territory.
[00:09:06] Listen from Beijing, Baptiste
[00:09:09] Falvo.
[00:09:11] He was supposed to be released from prison in a few months, after serving a first sentence of 4
[00:09:15] years and 8 months for subversion. Joshua Wong will therefore likely remain
[00:09:19] 10 more years behind bars. The Hong Kong court found him guilty
[00:09:22] of collusion with foreign countries. He was accused
[00:09:25] of having pressured these countries and international
[00:09:28] institutions to sanction China on the international stage. And once
[00:09:32] again, Joshua Wong is therefore suffering the fate of this national security
[00:09:36] law which was imposed by Beijing in 2020 to silence
[00:09:40] all dissent in Hong Kong, and under which
[00:09:42] many people have already been sentenced to heavy penalties.
[00:09:46] Joshua Wong is one of the figures, if not the pro-democracy figure
[00:09:50] in Hong Kong. He has been an activist since the age of 15. He has been involved in
[00:09:53] many struggles, notably during the immense demonstrations of 2019 in
[00:09:57] Hong Kong against the increasing interference of Beijing, of mainland
[00:10:01] China, on the territory. Let's remember that Hong Kong,
[00:10:04] retroceded to China in 1997, should
[00:10:07] normally retain its political, legislative,
[00:10:11] judicial status until 2000. 47 according to the famous
[00:10:14] slogan "one country, two systems", but in reality it's not the case, because
[00:10:18] China has accelerated its takeover of the territory in recent
[00:10:21] years. Freedom of expression is increasingly stifled,
[00:10:25] demonstrations are almost non-existent. Earlier this year,
[00:10:28] moreover, businessman and press boss Jimmy Lai was also
[00:10:31] sentenced, still under this national security law, to 20 years in
[00:10:35] prison, the heaviest sentence so far against a Hong Kong
[00:10:38] dissident. That's the main news, let's continue
[00:10:42] right after
[00:10:43] this.
[00:10:51] France 24, LCP, Public Senate present.
[00:11:08] Thank you for joining us in Strasbourg in a European Parliament currently
[00:11:11] focused on Washington and holding its breath before the results of the
[00:11:15] midterms, the mid-term elections in the United States which are
[00:11:18] renewing Congress. A majority of European leaders and parties
[00:11:21] quietly hope for a defeat of Donald Trump in this election. and
[00:11:25] weakening of his policy, which wants to challenge international law
[00:11:29] and multilateralism. In recent weeks, the American
[00:11:32] president has once again worried Europeans by lifting sanctions
[00:11:35] against Russia and concluding an agreement to import
[00:11:38] Russian gas oil into the United States, which significantly weakens
[00:11:42] Ukraine and its allies. Yes, so Donald Trump hopes to lower
[00:11:46] gas prices in the American
[00:11:49] crisis that he himself provoked by starting the war in Iran
[00:11:53] without consulting his European allies. He also attacks
[00:11:57] international institutions, a symbol of
[00:11:59] multilateralism that he doesn't like, most recently, the
[00:12:03] International Criminal Court. And finally, in Europe, he tries to boost
[00:12:07] far-right parties favorable to his anti-immigration,
[00:12:10] anti-woke values, interfering in electoral campaigns with the power of
[00:12:14] social networks and American digital platforms. To discuss this today,
[00:12:18] three MEPs: Chloé Ridel, hello, hello. You are a French
[00:12:21] socialist MEP, author of the book "Geofeminism" which explores
[00:12:25] the links between patriarchy and international relations, a book published by
[00:12:28] Stock editions. Facing you, Andras Laszlo, hello.
[00:12:32] Hello. You are a Hungarian MEP, member of the Patriots for Europe group,
[00:12:35] located on the far right of the European Parliament, a group, we specify, founded by
[00:12:39] Marine Le Pen and Viktor Orban, the former Hungarian Prime Minister, a fervent
[00:12:43] supporter of Donald Trump. And with us also Geliana Zovko,
[00:12:46] hello. You are a Croatian MEP, Vice-President of the European Parliament and
[00:12:50] member of the European People's Party group on the right of the Parliament.
[00:12:54] So, Chloe, does the European Parliament
[00:12:57] and the European Union largely hope for
[00:13:01] a clear defeat of Donald Trump in the midterm elections?
[00:13:04] Donald Trump, who has constantly sought to
[00:13:08] weaken Europe since his return to Washington. It would clearly
[00:13:11] be in the interest of the European Union and Europeans if Donald Trump
[00:13:14] stumbled in the midterms, because Donald
[00:13:17] Trump has only acted against European interests. He
[00:13:21] wages war everywhere, he is still responsible for the fact that the price of
[00:13:24] a liter of gasoline reaches nearly €3 in some countries of the Union, so he
[00:13:28] impoverishes us, he puts us in insecurity, he destroys, as you said
[00:13:31] in the introduction, international judicial institutions like the
[00:13:35] International Criminal Court, whose headquarters are in The Hague
[00:13:39] in Europe, by sanctioning its judges and now by sanctioning the institution
[00:13:43] itself. So I hope that this
[00:13:46] type of brutal power will stop, will take a
[00:13:49] symbolic blow. If Donald Trump loses his midterms, it will be more of
[00:13:53] a symbolic blow than anything else, because the reality is that he can
[00:13:57] continue to govern with
[00:14:00] notably decrees against which the House and the
[00:14:03] Senate are powerless. I take the example of the decree that
[00:14:06] provides for sanctions against the International Criminal Court. Congress can
[00:14:10] do nothing against that, so we must not hope that
[00:14:13] if there is a victory for the Democrats, everything will
[00:14:16] change for us Europeans, that Trump will stop
[00:14:20] abandoning Ukrainian civilians who were killed in September.
[00:14:24] 85% more Ukrainian civilians killed, 400 civilians per month. We must not hope
[00:14:27] that all this
[00:14:31] pro-Putin policy of the United States will stop,
[00:14:34] like the deeply
[00:14:36] anti-rule of law, anti-freedom
[00:14:40] policy of Donald Trump, unfortunately. What are the
[00:14:43] expectations of the European right regarding these midterms, the weakening of Donald
[00:14:46] Trump?
[00:14:49] First, you must call us center-right.
[00:14:52] Center-right, yeah. Because the EPP...
[00:14:55] center-right and we have a parliamentary
[00:14:58] diplomacy. I agree that
[00:15:02] the loss
[00:15:04] of the House will
[00:15:08] not mean a change
[00:15:11] in US foreign policy. It should
[00:15:15] be remembered that these elections are elections
[00:15:18] for each state by state and there is division
[00:15:22] even within the Republicans. There is
[00:15:26] within the MAGA movement that is against the war in Iran because
[00:15:29] it sees what it brings to the
[00:15:32] United States and also there is a great division
[00:15:36] among the Republicans
[00:15:39] regarding behavior towards Ukraine because they also, they
[00:15:43] have great support
[00:15:45] for Ukraine and I don't
[00:15:48] want to confuse these elections with
[00:15:52] an anti-Trump change. You say that's not it, these are also
[00:15:55] national and also regional elections, that's interesting. So Mr.
[00:15:59] Laszlo, your political camp was supported by Trump and vice
[00:16:02] versa, I want to say you support him. Would a
[00:16:06] victory for this president? in the midterms - a victory that, according
[00:16:10] to polls, is still receding - be
[00:16:14] good news for Europe, when we see that he has consistently made us
[00:16:18] a scapegoat, he constantly attacks Europeans?
[00:16:21] Well, in the last two years what we have seen is that
[00:16:25] President Trump's administration wants a rebalancing of the
[00:16:29] transatlantic relationship. The foreign policy of
[00:16:32] the United States and American strategy
[00:16:35] demand that European allies take more
[00:16:39] responsibility for their security, for our security here in
[00:16:42] Europe. I think that to expect that an American president,
[00:16:46] whether Democrat or Republican, will put
[00:16:50] European interests first and try to resolve the conflicts
[00:16:53] in Europe that affect us the most, that's a bit
[00:16:57] naive. Their strategy is very clearly, and
[00:17:00] it was published in their strategy, that
[00:17:04] they want a new partnership with Europe. They
[00:17:08] want a Europe that is more powerful, more independent,
[00:17:11] that is strong in its identity and that can
[00:17:15] make a difference when necessary and that can help the
[00:17:17] United States, because precisely the power relations
[00:17:21] at the global level are changing and the United States needs
[00:17:24] an ally in Europe that is strong, independent,
[00:17:28] responsible, capable, which it is not for the
[00:17:31] moment, independent, is it independent? You say,
[00:17:35] Donald Trump wants an independent Europe while interfering in
[00:17:38] elections when there are elections in Europe. You
[00:17:41] say Donald Trump wants a strong Europe, when he
[00:17:45] swindles us with customs duties and brutal
[00:17:48] trade negotiations, which subjects us to constant
[00:17:51] blackmail, that he weakens the purchasing power of our
[00:17:55] fellow citizens by launching inconsequential and
[00:17:58] ill-considered wars, that does not hold water, the war was not launched. Mr. Donald
[00:18:02] Trump, he was elected in 2020, 2024,
[00:18:06] you can't say, in fact, he was the only one to say that he wants to do something to
[00:18:09] restore peace in Ukraine. European diplomacy
[00:18:13] refuses to do anything. It was Mr. Orban in
[00:18:16] 2024 who tried to negotiate and this house,
[00:18:19] this parliament attacked Mr.
[00:18:23] Orban even for trying to have diplomatic negotiations.
[00:18:26] killing 400 Ukrainian civilians per month, no it's not like
[00:18:29] that. precisely we are going to talk about the relationship between Donald Trump and
[00:18:33] Vladimir Putin and this agreement that he concluded to import
[00:18:37] Russian gas oil into the
[00:18:44] United States, trying to lower the price of gasoline on the
[00:18:48] American market. And in Europe, even Donald Trump's allies were indignant
[00:18:51] about this lifting of sanctions against the Kremlin. Let's
[00:18:55] listen to the Italian leader Giorgia Meloni.
[00:18:59] The agreement on Russian gas oil announced by US President
[00:19:02] Donald Trump
[00:19:04] is a choice that I consider very
[00:19:07] risky. The result of this choice is uncertain, while
[00:19:11] the risks are obvious: a legitimation of Moscow while
[00:19:15] its bombs continue to fall on Ukrainian cities, new
[00:19:19] revenues allowing the financing of the war, an implicit
[00:19:23] weakening of the sanctions lever.
[00:19:26] So, Madam Zovko, how does your country, Croatia, which supports Ukraine,
[00:19:30] as you said, but is also close to the United States traditionally,
[00:19:33] react to this lifting of American sanctions
[00:19:37] against Russia, this agreement to import
[00:19:40] Russian gas concluded with Vladimir Putin, while we have
[00:19:43] based our entire strategy on precisely, well, an
[00:19:47] embargo on Russian oil? Ah,
[00:19:50] I see this as a bad situation in which
[00:19:53] Ukraine finds itself. We
[00:19:56] do not approve of this lifting of sanctions
[00:20:00] and... I think
[00:20:02] we really need to get out of this
[00:20:05] situation, which is really sending a
[00:20:08] strong message to the Ukrainians
[00:20:12] who are suffering right now, and there is
[00:20:14] no solidarity with
[00:20:18] them. But I see that, and I think that this
[00:20:22] situation must be overcome, but we
[00:20:25] need Republicans in Congress, in the
[00:20:29] Senate to put
[00:20:33] pressure to solve this, that doesn't seem
[00:20:36] to be working for now. Donald Trump does
[00:20:39] exactly what he wants, Congress will march
[00:20:43] badly if left alone.
[00:20:46] we should point out that Hungary benefits from an exemption within the European Union to be able
[00:20:55] to import Russian oil. Do you understand this agreement
[00:20:58] between Trump and Putin on Russian
[00:21:02] gas oil and the American will to weaken
[00:21:05] more than ever Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and even claim that the current
[00:21:08] rise in diesel prices is Ukraine's fault, while
[00:21:14] the United States? Well, it's the European
[00:21:17] responsibility to ensure that
[00:21:21] energy prices in Europe are
[00:21:23] such that families and businesses in Europe
[00:21:27] can afford to pay, can continue their activities,
[00:21:31] businesses, that families can pay for heating, for
[00:21:34] diesel, for oil and so on, even if they have to buy Russian
[00:21:38] oil and finance Vladimir's war, the
[00:21:42] promise from President Ursula von der Leyen and Joe
[00:21:45] Biden in 20. 22 when they
[00:21:49] announced the first sanctions
[00:21:51] against Russia, it was that the sanctions would bring
[00:21:55] Russia to its knees and that they would have to end this
[00:21:59] war in Ukraine. It's been 4 years now, more than that, they haven't
[00:22:02] won, they haven't won, but the effectiveness of
[00:22:06] sanctions to end the war in Ukraine is
[00:22:09] terrible, the effect on the European economy is enormous,
[00:22:12] the price and the proportionality.
[00:22:16] why why in this situation don't
[00:22:22] European leaders do more, don't they try
[00:22:26] to do something to lower prices in Europe?
[00:22:30] When we listen to you, it's always the fault of Europeans, it's crazy
[00:22:34] to self-flagellate to this extent, it's never the fault of Putin, it's never the fault of
[00:22:37] Trump, you are very happy to be able
[00:22:41] to continue buying Russian
[00:22:45] oil? against the interests of all of Europe, you
[00:22:50] l'ensemble de l'Europe, vous agissez dans votre coin, par contre
[00:22:54] you have nothing to complain about regarding the blockade
[00:22:57] of the Strait of Hormuz, which is due to Donald Trump's policy and which is
[00:23:03] prices in Europe,
[00:23:06] regarding Ukraine, I find that it is a terrible
[00:23:10] humanitarian situation, it must be reminded because we don't talk about it
[00:23:13] actually we don't talk about it anymore, we no longer say that people
[00:23:17] continue to die in Ukraine, innocent civilians,
[00:23:21] energy infrastructures that are constantly bombed by the
[00:23:24] Russians, the Americans have cut off
[00:23:28] intelligence and so they are abandoning Ukraine for the umpteenth time,
[00:23:31] there is only Europe left to support the Ukrainian resistance because it is
[00:23:35] in our interest, because Putin is starting a war not only against
[00:23:38] Ukraine but against all of Europe and so we cannot
[00:23:41] give in to this Russia
[00:23:45] and we must continue to denounce it and to be
[00:23:49] deeply supportive of Ukraine
[00:23:52] and to maintain sanctions and to
[00:23:56] finally diversify our energy supplies,
[00:23:59] that's why we must continue to support the Green Deal and in fact the right and
[00:24:03] Parliament are doing the opposite,
[00:24:06] that is to say, we are not supporting Ukraine and we are
[00:24:10] addicted and we remain
[00:24:12] uh
[00:24:15] we really need to be flexible, we need to tell people what we're doing here
[00:24:19] in parliament?
[00:24:21] to be flexible for the import of
[00:24:25] American gas
[00:24:28] also American gas, okay, more American gas and
[00:24:32] always further delay the exit from fossil fuels, it's
[00:24:35] absurd, the International Criminal Court under sanctions, that doesn't
[00:24:38] shock you, the Criminal Court had problems with all
[00:24:42] American administrations, there was article
[00:24:48] said that all soldiers
[00:24:50] cannot be punished, but that is a very long
[00:24:53] story, I am already too old to
[00:24:57] know all the history about the International Criminal Court and
[00:25:00] it's not something we're going to solve here. Andras Leslo, Donald
[00:25:04] Trump has decided on sanctions against the International Criminal Court.
[00:25:08] What do you think about these attacks against international
[00:25:11] justice? And finally, isn't it the same thing as when Viktor
[00:25:15] Orban, when he was leading Hungary, well, he also attacked the European
[00:25:18] judges of the Court of Justice of...
[00:25:20] isn't it an attack against our international law? The United States has
[00:25:24] never joined the International Criminal Court
[00:25:27] and has never been under sanctions either, and despite that, the
[00:25:31] International Criminal Court tries to
[00:25:34] punish Americans who are not under the
[00:25:37] jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, obviously there
[00:25:40] will be measures taken by the
[00:25:44] United States, same thing, the International Criminal Court tries
[00:25:47] to go and punish leaders,
[00:25:50] who are also who have never joined
[00:25:54] the International Criminal Court, it's
[00:25:57] unacceptable, there are international
[00:26:00] organizations that are created by certain states and which then
[00:26:04] take on competences or claim to have
[00:26:07] global, universal competences that were
[00:26:11] never given to them, the International Criminal Court was created
[00:26:15] on the ruins of the 20th century, the worst crimes that were committed against
[00:26:19] civilians, many of them in Europe, and it carries an
[00:26:21] ideal that crimes of genocide, war crimes, crimes against
[00:26:25] humanity should not go unpunished and it does not prosecute,
[00:26:28] it does not prosecute states, it prosecutes individuals,
[00:26:31] criminal individuals, I have been working for 2 years on American
[00:26:35] sanctions against the International Criminal Court, I have been trying to alert the
[00:26:39] European Commission in Europe, public opinion to
[00:26:42] push the European Commission to act by activating what is called the blocking
[00:26:46] regulation which would allow to protect the International Criminal
[00:26:49] Court against the effects of American sanctions and nothing has been done, nothing has been
[00:26:52] done and Donald Trump started by sanctioning the judges, now he is sanctioning
[00:26:56] the entire institution and it is a death threat against the court,
[00:26:59] so Donald Trump's intentions are clear, you say,
[00:27:03] the American administration has always had a problem with the ICC, but
[00:27:07] today Donald Trump wants to dismantle the International Criminal Court,
[00:27:11] he says it in those terms, we cannot
[00:27:13] accept it, it took 50 years to build this court which is the heir of the Nuremberg
[00:27:17] tribunal which judged Nazi crimes, and
[00:27:21] here we are not only on a subject of European sovereignty but much
[00:27:24] broader of a certain idea of
[00:27:28] international law and that must be
[00:27:32] And you say that you are pro-European center, you must be in
[00:27:36] this fight, thank you for having in any case very well
[00:27:39] illustrated this debate, we will do specifically on the International
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[00:30:28] Thursday, an A320 airliner flying between
[00:30:31] Dublin and Rome was diverted this Thursday to Evreux air base
[00:30:35] due to a bomb threat, information that comes from Matignon,
[00:30:39] confirming the real-time situation, the latest information with Sylvain
[00:30:43] Rousseau in a moment. Public and private sector employees called to
[00:30:47] stop work today, for wages and against the high cost of living, high school students and university students will
[00:30:51] join some of the 250 protests planned across the country. National
[00:30:54] called by
[00:30:57] unions which are disrupting the broadcasts of France 24.