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[00:00:25] Hello everyone, welcome to "Let's Talk About It". Here are the headlines for this
[00:00:28] Thursday: An A320 airliner flying between Dublin
[00:00:32] and Rome was diverted this Thursday to the Evreux airbase
[00:00:35] due to a bomb threat, an information that comes from Matignon, confirming
[00:00:38] in real time the very latest information with Sylvain Rousseau in a
[00:00:43] So here I have all the lesions actually listed for moment. Public and private sector employees are called to strike today
[00:00:47] for wages and against the high cost of living. High school students and university students will join some
[00:00:51] of the 250 processions planned throughout the country. A national
[00:00:55] strike and mobilization day called by unions
[00:00:58] that disrupts France 24's broadcasts. Pauline Godard will explain
[00:01:02] the stakes to us in a moment. And then the American consulate in Hong
[00:01:06] Kong strongly condemns the prison sentence inflicted on Joshua Wong, the
[00:01:09] 30-year-old pro-democracy activist, the face of resistance against Beijing
[00:01:13] will remain incarcerated for 10 more years.
[00:01:18] mattraque après plusieurs sommations de
[00:01:27] So this is one of the morning's news, this A320 airliner
[00:01:31] that was flying between Dublin and Rome, which was diverted a few hours
[00:01:35] ago to the Evreux airbase in France due to a bomb threat. Hello
[00:01:39] Sylvain Rousseau, hello. Uh, what information
[00:01:42] can you give us about this plane
[00:01:45] that landed in Evreux? Yes, that's right, it's the Aer Lingus Airbus A320
[00:01:49] that was, as you said, flying between Dublin and Rome. There was
[00:01:53] a bomb threat concerning this plane, so it was
[00:01:57] diverted to an isolated place where it could
[00:02:00] land without any problem in case of, and above all, explode
[00:02:04] if there was a problem. So it was diverted to the Evreux
[00:02:07] airbase in Normandy, in France. We know that the plane landed, we know that the
[00:02:11] passengers were evacuated, and as I speak to you, bomb disposal teams
[00:02:15] are inspecting the plane to determine if there was indeed a bomb on board this plane. It
[00:02:19] turns out that alerts have been multiplying in the European sky for a few
[00:02:22] days. Yes, it's indeed an unusual concentration of false alarms, it must
[00:02:27] please sit down, a particularly be specified that until now all these alerts are false, they target European flights, mostly departing from
[00:02:31] the United Kingdom or Ireland, like the flight this morning that departed
[00:02:35] from Dublin. There are about ten flights that are affected
[00:02:38] by these threats, for the moment no
[00:02:41] explosive has been found in any of these
[00:02:44] planes, is it a coordinated campaign, we don't know
[00:02:49] you, well we must monitor you like yet, obviously the investigation is ongoing, for the moment there is no claim, no identified
[00:02:51] perpetrator, no link established either between these different threats, so it's true that
[00:02:55] with the current situation we often tend to suspect state
[00:02:59] interference. Again, no evidence allows us to confirm it for now,
[00:03:03] no evidence either of an act of terrorism, what is certain is that even
[00:03:06] if these false
[00:03:09] the day before for the alerts are likely to multiply in the coming days, all
[00:03:12] measures will be taken to obviously isolate these planes, these
[00:03:16] threatened planes, these planes suspected of
[00:03:18] carrying a bomb. Are there any precedents? Yes, there are
[00:03:22] several precedents and even very recent ones, the first that comes to mind,
[00:03:26] was in India, in 2024, more than
[00:03:29] 720... threats on planes during the year 2024,
[00:03:32] including 500 in the month
[00:03:34] which is organized at the call of of October alone, on October 29th there were even 100 threats, about a hundred
[00:03:37] threats on a single day in India,
[00:03:41] similarly, no perpetrator identified, we don't
[00:03:43] mainly to artists from know exactly what happened, in fact it's often what we highlight,
[00:03:46] it's the contagion effect, meaning someone sends an alert and then we realize
[00:03:50] that the result is actually nice, the plane is isolated, it causes a bit
[00:03:53] of a mess and so these alerts sometimes multiply
[00:03:57] by other people, there was also a precedent in France in October
[00:04:01] 2023 that did not directly concern planes, if you remember, it was airports
[00:04:05] that had been the target of bomb threats, Lille, Toulouse, Beauvais, Strasbourg
[00:04:08] and even Lyon had to be evacuated, three planes had been
[00:04:12] diverted also following this wave of
[00:04:15] threats and then throughout the year very regularly all over the world there are regular isolated
[00:04:19] alerts, as I told you, which means that
[00:04:22] hectares of the it will take on this contagion effect, but of course
[00:04:26] we are always very careful with that, the last plane that
[00:04:29] was lost because of a bomb, was in
[00:04:33] October 2015, it was the Volmelche Saint Petersburg, 224
[00:04:36] deaths due to an improvised explosive
[00:04:40] device, thank you Sylvain, you will come back to us of course when
[00:04:46] all dissent in Hong Kong, and under there are more elements on this Dublin Rome flight diverted towards, as you told us, the passengers, the crew
[00:04:49] members as well I imagine are safe and sound as
[00:04:53] we speak and it's important to specify, it's a new day of
[00:04:56] social mobilization taking place today in France, the first
[00:05:00] since September, it concerns the public and private sector, it also sees
[00:05:03] high school students and university students joining in, who have been involved for several
[00:05:07] weeks, we were discovering, it seems to me, images of Marseille, a strike call
[00:05:10] launched by an inter-union call for gatherings, demonstration
[00:05:14] routes are the subject of a power struggle with the authorities, among
[00:05:18] the demands, salary revaluation, the safeguarding of public services
[00:05:22] and the precise defense of the right to demonstrate. Uh,
[00:05:25] Pauline Godard, you'll have to tell me where you are because
[00:05:28] the information hasn't reached me yet. Uh,
[00:05:32] Pauline, are you still in
[00:05:33] Aubervilliers?
[00:05:36] Yes, absolutely, I am still in Aubervilliers in front of the Lycée Lecorbusier.
[00:05:40] So I don't know if you see just behind me, there are
[00:05:44] police officers and facing these police officers, there are
[00:05:47] high school students in the front line, but also elected officials
[00:05:51] and teachers, they are thus facing the
[00:05:54] police officers, there were still several minutes ago,
[00:05:57] these high school students were just in front of the
[00:06:01] high school, and then they were blocking the
[00:06:04] street, police officers arrived, they tried to dislodge them,
[00:06:08] some high school students fired fireworks, shots
[00:06:11] of... the police officers
[00:06:14] tried in a quite forceful way to dislodge them, so there were
[00:06:18] some teachers who had formed a human chain in front
[00:06:21] of the high school students to defend them, we saw that one of the teachers had
[00:06:25] teachers were hit by batons after several summons
[00:06:31] from the police and the high school students did not want to
[00:06:34] move, tear gas shots, there were these tear
[00:06:37] gas shots, there was also us uh there was also
[00:06:41] us on... the street, these tear gas shots so everyone
[00:06:45] dispersed and once they had finished dispersing they
[00:06:49] then came to stand just behind me so as I told you in this street for the
[00:06:53] moment the situation has returned to
[00:06:56] calm, the person who was injured well is for the
[00:07:00] moment being treated by the firefighters who arrived
[00:07:03] on site to treat this person so
[00:07:06] by the way the truck is leaving with the person who was injured
[00:07:10] in the head, it is true that earlier when we
[00:07:14] arrived the situation, or at least around 7:15, 7:30
[00:07:17] in the morning, the situation was calm, we saw these high school students who were
[00:07:21] in front of this high school as Imilia explained to me, they
[00:07:25] intend to not give up they want to continue to demonstrate
[00:07:28] because well the government and the
[00:07:32] Ministry of Education have only given them
[00:07:35] crumbs, I quote Imilia explained to me that well
[00:07:39] she and her comrades did not feel supported, did not feel...
[00:07:42] heard, they do feel supported by the
[00:07:46] teachers, these teachers here who are also present, as
[00:07:49] I told you, especially to try to
[00:07:52] protect the high school students from the
[00:07:55] police or from the violence that there could be and that we
[00:07:59] saw earlier, it's still a bit of an effect, we saw this
[00:08:02] violence, so it must also be said that when we talk with these
[00:08:06] teachers, they tell us that they are proud of their students, they
[00:08:09] are proud that they are mobilizing and that they continue to mobilize and they also
[00:08:13] tell us they have the same demands, they demand that there be more
[00:08:17] resources, that the education budget well stop
[00:08:20] decreasing year after year, they also demand,
[00:08:24] they are fighting for teachers to be replaced and we
[00:08:28] also know that earlier at 12:30 normally a large gathering should take
[00:08:31] place in front of the Aubervilliers town hall, a
[00:08:34] gathering with students but also high school students and the different
[00:08:38] unions and their objective is then to go to Place de la
[00:08:41] République to be able to participate in this large demonstration
[00:08:46] the inter-union but also the yellow vests, student unions,
[00:08:50] high school student unions, a large demonstration that must start from République
[00:08:54] and go to Nation. Pauline Godard from Aubervilliers,
[00:08:57] thank you very much, Pauline. Also in the news
[00:09:01] this Thursday, he is one of the figures of the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong,
[00:09:05] Joshua Wong, he is 30 years old, he has been detained for several
[00:09:09] years, he has just been sentenced to 10 more years in prison. He faced
[00:09:12] life imprisonment for collusion with foreign countries, according to
[00:09:16] the accusation, application of the National Security Law wanted by
[00:09:19] Beijing to put an end to this long-autonomous
[00:09:22] territory. Listen from Beijing, Baptiste
[00:09:25] Falvos:
[00:09:27] He was supposed to be released from prison in a few months, after having served a first sentence of 4
[00:09:31] years and 8 months for subversion. Joshua Wong will therefore remain, a priori,
[00:09:35] 10 more years behind bars. The Hong Kong court found him guilty
[00:09:39] of collusion with foreign countries. He was accused of having
[00:09:42] pressured these countries and international institutions to sanction
[00:09:46] China on the international scene, and once again
[00:09:49] Joshua Wong thus suffers the fate of this National Security
[00:09:53] Law that was imposed by Beijing in 2020 to silence
[00:09:58] which, moreover, many people have already been sentenced to heavy sentences.
[00:10:02] Joshua Wong is one of the figures, if not the main figure of the pro-democracy
[00:10:06] camp in Hong Kong. He has been an activist since the age of 15. He has been involved in many
[00:10:10] struggles, particularly during the immense demonstrations of 2019
[00:10:13] in Hong Kong against the increasing interference of Beijing, of mainland
[00:10:17] China, in the territory. Let us recall that Hong Kong,
[00:10:20] retroceded to China in 1997, must
[00:10:23] normally maintain its political, legislative,
[00:10:27] and legal status until 2047, according to the
[00:10:30] famous slogan "one country, two systems". This is not the case
[00:10:33] in reality, since China has accelerated its takeover of the
[00:10:36] territory in recent years. Freedom of expression is increasingly
[00:10:40] muzzled, and demonstrations are almost non-existent. A little earlier this year,
[00:10:44] moreover, businessman and press owner Jimmy Lai was also
[00:10:47] sentenced, still under this National Security Law, to 20 years in
[00:10:51] prison, the heaviest sentence so far against a Hong Kong dissident.
[00:10:56] That's the main news, let's continue right after that.
[00:11:22] Long waiting times. And patients
[00:11:25] who try everything to get an appointment, I left at 4:30 in the morning to be there at
[00:11:29] 6 am, I have 120 people who are 30 km away to come,
[00:11:33] with three dermatologists per 100,000 inhabitants, France is experiencing
[00:11:37] an unprecedented shortage of specialists, it's just
[00:11:40] that we are not numerous enough to be
[00:11:44] able to take care of all the patients who need it,
[00:11:48] carcinoma, cutaneous melanoma, 200,000 new
[00:11:51] cancers are detected every year, for me it was...
[00:11:55] and when you're 28, you don't expect this type of
[00:11:58] diagnosis at all, while the needs keep
[00:12:01] increasing, how to cope with the shortage of caregivers,
[00:12:24] I come from next to... oh well actually, I left at 4 am
[00:12:27] this morning, there are no dermatologists in Auberge, yes, but
[00:12:31] you have to wait 8 months, it's 8 am in Saint-Maur-des-Fossés
[00:12:35] in Val de Marne and already this dermatology
[00:12:38] practice is packed
[00:12:40] to the brim,
[00:12:43] Mr. Frido, hello, Jean-François is going to have
[00:12:47] a cutaneous melanoma removed, are you doing well, thank you,
[00:12:52] serious skin cancer, not treated
[00:12:55] quickly in dermoscopy, which is the magnifying glass we have here,
[00:12:59] there are different criteria that must alert us, you have small
[00:13:03] circles there, you have streaks a very small bit here, with
[00:13:07] time, this cancer crosses the epidermis and can
[00:13:10] spread to the rest of the body,
[00:13:14] a hawk, you tell me if you feel it,
[00:13:18] a tiny bit, we remove the
[00:13:21] melanoma
[00:13:24] and it goes for analysis and then we will see
[00:13:27] Mr. Frénout in 15 days, to be able to
[00:13:30] treat this type of emergency, Dr. Prudhomme opens his slots
[00:13:34] next day, I had already operated on a melanoma when I open at
[00:13:37] 6 p.m., a day fills up in 3 minutes so in fact what I often say is that we
[00:13:41] can open 10 of them like that in the street
[00:13:45] we would still fill them as much the shortage is
[00:13:47] enormous
[00:13:49] goodbye Mr. Frénout have a good trip be careful on the road with three
[00:13:52] dermatologists per 100,000 inhabitants and... an entire department without
[00:13:56] specialists, getting an appointment takes on average 6
[00:14:00] months.
[00:14:03] Dr. Pierre Haman advocates for increasing the numerus clausus,
[00:14:07] in other words, the number of residents trained each
[00:14:09] year.
[00:14:11] It's only been for some time, so about ten years, that
[00:14:15] the numerus clausus has been increasing quite significantly,
[00:14:18] except that dermatology, unlike all
[00:14:22] other specialties, has not benefited as much. From the percentages
[00:14:26] of increase, there is incredible pressure on
[00:14:30] appointments with patients who
[00:14:32] arrive having searched for a long time,
[00:14:36] who are in therapeutic wandering, who may also
[00:14:40] feel resentful about their healthcare journey. I'm going to prick you
[00:14:44] there, okay? Breathe deeply through your mouth. This
[00:14:47] workforce is likely to decrease even further, while 50%
[00:14:51] of dermatologists are over 60 years old. The latter
[00:14:55] are also accused of worsening the situation by prioritizing more lucrative
[00:14:59] aesthetic care. I'll put a small dressing on you and you're free.
[00:15:02] This is completely false. There are several studies,
[00:15:06] notably even independent studies from the profession, that
[00:15:10] show that in reality it's less than 5% of our activity over
[00:15:13] the whole year, it's just that we are not numerous enough to be able
[00:15:17] to take care of all the patients who need it. Come on,
[00:15:20] Mr. Gayaot, we're going to go soon. To
[00:15:24] address this shortage, the
[00:15:25] less than a month, from diagnosis to treatment. I think it's
[00:15:33] patient was able to be taken care of in
[00:15:37] important to actively participate in the
[00:15:40] training of our general practitioner colleagues to make them aware of skin pathologies
[00:15:44] and to be able to treat patients as quickly as possible, as early as possible,
[00:15:47] and to avoid somewhat exceptional
[00:15:51] cases with very very
[00:15:53] late diagnoses. And
[00:15:55] there you have it, it's not easy when you're a child
[00:15:59] to announce that to your parents but hey, that's
[00:16:03] all after a late diagnosis, Charlotte
[00:16:06] 32 years old is actually. fresh like I see, it's maybe him
[00:16:10] yeah
[00:16:12] it's there, we see right away the
[00:16:16] pulmonary lesions uh
[00:16:19] there on the knee, yes and the liver too, we
[00:16:23] see present since forever, a mole
[00:16:27] on her heel turned into generalized
[00:16:29] cancer, for her mother,
[00:16:33] also, I was shocked, I really didn't
[00:16:37] expect that after the biopsy,
[00:16:40] such a diagnosis would be given
[00:16:44] in fact, so here we clearly see the mole on the side, in
[00:16:48] 2022 Charlotte was first bothered by bleeding on her
[00:16:52] foot, in any case I looked on Doctorlib and so on and I saw
[00:16:56] that I wasn't going to get any appointment at all, I let it drag on a bit and
[00:17:00] a few months later it bled again and got infected, my treating
[00:17:03] doctor said well for me it doesn't look necessarily
[00:17:08] problematic, it just looks like there's a small foreign body inside, it might be
[00:17:11] a splinter, so in fact she took a photo with a dermatoscope and
[00:17:15] sent it to many dermatologists, they don't know anymore,
[00:17:19] the young woman quickly gets an appointment, when the
[00:17:22] diagnosis comes down, a stage 4 melanoma, the
[00:17:26] highest stage, I
[00:17:28] didn't expect that at all, for me it was a mole that was already there, I
[00:17:32] didn't expose myself, well I exposed myself to the sun but I wasn't
[00:17:36] at all a sun fanatic, I always used sunscreen and so on and so forth so for me
[00:17:39] it was impossible and then when you're 28 you don't expect this type of
[00:17:43] diagnosis. Hi, my name is Charlotte, I'm 31 and I suffer
[00:17:47] from metastatic melanoma, so stage 4
[00:17:50] melanoma. Charlotte then starts several targeted treatments.
[00:17:53] 4 years later, she is still fighting her cancer
[00:17:57] and raising public awareness on social networks.
[00:18:00] 3 months, I relapsed in my knee so I just had
[00:18:04] two operations. I think we really don't talk
[00:18:07] enough about skin problems, well skin
[00:18:11] cancers, we call it but purple, but nobody has
[00:18:15] ever heard of it, unlike Pink October or
[00:18:18] Gold September or whatever, how many times have I said yes I have skin cancer, yes
[00:18:22] well it's just a small cancer, it's just a small mole, it's not
[00:18:25] like it's not like breast cancer, lung cancer or
[00:18:29] other, it's just a small thing whereas in reality it's quite serious and once you
[00:18:33] have it at an advanced stage you never get rid of it like
[00:18:37] Charlotte, 20,000 skin cancers are diagnosed
[00:18:40] each year in France. Pierre Haman reminds us, the
[00:18:44] first step is to consult your general practitioner. Often,
[00:18:47] what the population doesn't know, is that they come to see us
[00:18:51] spontaneously, without going through their treating doctor, without following the care
[00:18:55] pathway, and so that's where there's a problem because often for them it's an ordeal to find
[00:18:59] an appointment whereas the treating doctor will be
[00:19:02] able to correctly and quickly
[00:19:05] refer them.
[00:19:07] Do you all consider yourselves It's still necessary to get
[00:19:09] an appointment, because the shortage also affects general
[00:19:12] practitioners.
[00:19:17] In France, 6 million patients lack a treating
[00:19:20] doctor. In the Occitanie region, a
[00:19:23] profession has therefore decided to lend a hand.
[00:19:28] whistleblowers,
[00:19:29] okay?
[00:19:32] This morning, in the suburbs of Montpellier, about fifty
[00:19:35] volunteer physiotherapists are following a training
[00:19:38] course on the dermatoscope. So the adapter screws
[00:19:41] onto one of the two holes here, depending
[00:19:45] on your phone. The
[00:19:48] objective is to identify lesions on their patients during
[00:19:51] consultations and directly transmit their images to a
[00:19:55] dermatologist.
[00:19:57] They asked to take four photos, one from far, one from close up and then with
[00:20:00] the use.
[00:20:04] An idea championed by dermatologist George Bess after
[00:20:07] a meeting with massage physiotherapists.
[00:20:11] I think that physiotherapists, among others, see patients undressed and that
[00:20:14] is fundamental. In an undressed patient, we will find a lesion that they would not have
[00:20:18] shown, either because they don't think about it, an elderly person, or because they are afraid to
[00:20:22] think about it and afraid of the
[00:20:23] answer.
[00:20:26] This system was tested for one year by the Association of
[00:20:30] Occitanie physiotherapists. This experiment allowed us to
[00:20:34] train and equip 13 colleagues in Occitanie per department.
[00:20:37] And the feedback we've had over these 12 months has been the discovery of
[00:20:41] six cancers, four carcinomas and two
[00:20:44] melanomas. This result prompted the ARS,
[00:20:47] the regional health agency to...
[00:20:59] This is not at all a commercial approach, it's
[00:21:02] truly a public health service, that's how we see
[00:21:06] it, otherwise honestly we all have work, the clinics are
[00:21:09] full, so we don't need to do additional
[00:21:12] procedures,
[00:21:15] but some go even further, we look straight
[00:21:18] ahead and close our eyes.
[00:21:20] Let's go.
[00:21:25] In the Paris region, this center screens for skin cancers
[00:21:28] using artificial intelligence.
[00:21:33] the lady. She has 276 in
[00:21:36] total. With its 92
[00:21:39] sensors, the AI generates a 3D avatar of the patient and
[00:21:43] makes initial observations.
[00:21:46] So there, I take a few more depending on their shape, size, and color.
[00:21:52] Dermatologists partnering with the center then analyze this
[00:21:55] data and make a diagnosis. AI
[00:21:58] alone is not sufficiently reliable to replace
[00:22:01] a doctor. However, it is a valuable tool for
[00:22:05] measuring and triaging lesions, for classification. Time-consuming
[00:22:08] activities are done here by
[00:22:12] technicians, all of this is medical time gained by
[00:22:15] dermatologists.
[00:22:18] 84 euros for a screening not reimbursed by social
[00:22:22] security, this technology has allowed 30
[00:22:26] melanomas to be detected in the first year according to Étienne Barlet.
[00:22:29] So if a patient returns in 2 years, we will be able
[00:22:33] to tell them very, very exactly which lesion has regressed, which lesion has
[00:22:37] evolved, and that gives a very valuable indication
[00:22:40] for making a
[00:22:41] diagnosis.
[00:22:44] Centers like this have opened across France
[00:22:48] but for now no AI device is recommended
[00:22:52] by the French Society of Dermatology.
[00:22:55] All these studies are ongoing, we are working on it, the entire
[00:22:59] dermatological community is very involved, but for now our message is
[00:23:02] caution. There is also another problem which is the downstream problem, meaning
[00:23:06] if you have a massive influx of patients who go
[00:23:10] through this kind of technique and behind it needlessly clogs
[00:23:13] our consultations, it makes no
[00:23:15] sense.
[00:23:18] Only 100 dermatologists are trained each year,
[00:23:22] the government has announced the arrival of 27 additional residents per
[00:23:25] year, far from the reinforcements hoped for by the profession.
[00:30:08] Hello everyone, glad to be back on France 24, welcome to this live broadcast that
[00:30:12] is starting, here we go for 3 hours of non-stop news, so
[00:30:15] here are the main headlines to start with, a series of new bomb
[00:30:19] alerts on at least 12 airliners this morning,
[00:30:22] today the announcements of false alerts are multiplying
[00:30:26] as well as those of diverted planes, but what is happening in the European
[00:30:29] sky since Tuesday? We will
[00:30:33] try with Sylvain Rossau to see more clearly and explain this situation to you that
[00:30:37] tends to repeat itself, hello Sylvain, I'll tell you right away, the other big
[00:30:40] headline is our dark day, this dark day feared here in France,
[00:30:44] a convergence of struggles was launched by trade unions, employees,
[00:30:48] civil servants, yellow vests, retirees are called to join the
[00:30:51] 250 demonstrations planned throughout the territory,
[00:30:54] obviously young people remain at the heart of this movement, we are going to
[00:30:58] take a look at