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[00:00:17] Il est 14h30 à Paris, bienvenue dans votre rendez-vous derrière l'image, on prend le temps de
[00:00:21] décrypter l'info à partir d'une photo, je vous ai déjà vendu la mèche, on va partir parler encore
[00:00:38] et de de l'alaska mais bon peu importe ça va absolument rien changer pour ce stade c'est
[00:00:41] plié pour les démocrates je parle beaucoup trop là on est dans derrière l'image normalement on regarde une photo un
[00:00:45] cliché que vous avez choisi alors on va le regarder et puis vous allez nous expliquer pourquoi ce choix et oui
[00:00:49] parce que ça peut paraître un peu bizarre cette photo et bien il s'agit de Chris Papas qui a donc été
[00:00:53] elected in New Hampshire and he holds his hand in a sign of
[00:00:56] victory to his
[00:00:59] husband, and in that sense, it's historic, why? Because Chris Papas
[00:01:02] becomes the first American senator to be
[00:01:05] openly gay and to be elected to this
[00:01:08] position, and why did I choose this photo? I chose this photo because
[00:01:12] he didn't talk about it during his campaign, and that's what I find
[00:01:16] absolutely remarkable, meaning he did his entire campaign with his
[00:01:19] husband by his side, and he campaigned on issues that
[00:01:23] interested the residents of New Hampshire, others
[00:01:26] spoke for him, meaning he was introduced by young people, for example, on stage
[00:01:30] where they said, "Listen, if he were elected, he would be, etc.," but he himself didn't
[00:01:33] talk about it, and what I find extraordinary and interesting about this is the fact that if
[00:01:37] we had been in 2016, that would have
[00:01:40] been his main campaign theme, he would have said, "Vote for
[00:01:43] me, I will be the first openly gay senator in the history of the
[00:01:47] United States," and now we are in 2026, 10 years later,
[00:01:50] and he doesn't say a word about it, why? Simply because I
[00:01:53] think, and this is my theory emerging from this election, that
[00:01:57] we have exited a cycle of extremism and
[00:02:01] political violence in the United States, that this cycle began
[00:02:05] Republican party that needs to take stock of the during Barack Obama's second term, and what we
[00:02:08] have seen with this blue wave is
[00:02:12] the end of what is called in the United States identity politics, that is to say
[00:02:16] this way Democrats had of systematically saying "perfect, we
[00:02:20] need we absolutely need to
[00:02:22] serve each minority individually,
[00:02:26] our program must be based on that, our candidates must be...
[00:02:30] I don't know, gay, or women, or from
[00:02:33] minorities, and that it has become the alpha and omega of a certain
[00:02:37] American left, and it seems that this has passed, and
[00:02:41] I think this is a strong symbol, so it's not an isolated case, but this is what
[00:02:44] makes it so that politicians like Chris Papas were
[00:02:48] elected, he's gay, it's not a big deal, ultimately it bothered no one,
[00:02:52] he was elected in New Hampshire, I visited it, by the way, I wonder if we weren't together at the time,
[00:02:56] it's a rural state, while it's
[00:03:06] a place where people ice fish, it's a rural place, completely north of
[00:03:10] the state of the United States, and
[00:03:14] if we go back a few years, remember well, this state made this choice
[00:03:17] left-wing candidate who managed to without... I'm going to ask you a question, James, because we were talking about it earlier off-air, it's true that you have a very
[00:03:22] opponent, who was from the optimistic view of things, the end of a cycle of political violence in this
[00:03:25] case, isn't it simply the Democratic party that decided to
[00:03:29] focus the cursor? on the priority of Americans, namely purchasing
[00:03:33] power, whereas before we could afford the luxury of talking about other things, now
[00:03:36] they have absolutely put everything on that, oh no, purchasing power is
[00:03:40] obviously absolutely crucial, now I think what we need to see clearly is that purchasing
[00:03:43] power is not the first time it's been the central theme of the campaign,
[00:03:46] remember the 2020 campaign where everyone was talking about
[00:03:50] what? the price of eggs, remember, at the time it was Joe Biden, it was the
[00:03:54] bidonmix, there was a massive inflation in the United States
[00:03:58] and there was an absolute denial of others.
[00:04:00] and to a certain extent, that's what helped Donald Trump be brought to
[00:04:04] power again, so it's true that Donald Trump very
[00:04:06] clearly does everything he can to drive up prices in the country, we're obviously
[00:04:10] thinking of his tariffs, we're thinking especially of the war in Iran and its impact on
[00:04:14] fuel prices, and let's be clear, JD Evans, for
[00:04:18] once, I agree with him, yes, they lost this election largely because
[00:04:22] of fuel prices and this war in Iran which is deeply unpopular, it's good
[00:04:25] to say it now, but it would have been good to say it before, right? Yes,
[00:04:28] Vince, yes. He said it, but well, he was against it, and
[00:04:32] by the way, yes, but now he's distancing himself in a
[00:04:36] Trump administration, it's going to be war, James, no? spectacular way, we'll get to that later when we talk about the Republican party, but in any case, no, what I think is that the Democrats understood
[00:04:40] that that didn't work, it's true that I think because we've been observing the
[00:04:43] United States for years now, that we
[00:04:47] saw the cursor go too far on everything that was
[00:04:51] societal and to the left with the Democrats and a figure like
[00:04:54] AOC who was
[00:04:57] re-elected in New York, she said it, she said in an
[00:05:00] interview with ABC, we remember, it caused a lot of ink to flow, it was in August,
[00:05:04] "woke one was crazy," that is to say, went too far into
[00:05:07] wokism, she who had gone so far as not to want to use the word
[00:05:10] woman, since she said "people who menstruate," that was the literal translation of her
[00:05:14] way of referring to women at the time, we had gone very, very far and very clearly, in any
[00:05:18] case, I think so, that's what brought Donald Trump back to
[00:05:21] power, a first time and then a second, and I think that in fact what is happening,
[00:05:25] but this is also valid for the Republican party, it is today a kind of refocusing, that is to say,
[00:05:29] where there had been an extremely violent pendulum that had first gone completely to the left to
[00:05:33] the point that many Americans no longer recognized themselves
[00:05:36] in what was happening, and now it has completely gone, it had completely gone
[00:05:40] to the right to the point that there too, and... we see it also with these results, many
[00:05:44] Americans, including hard-line Republicans, were saying, "But this is
[00:06:00] time being, so a point for the Democrats, the hardest part may
[00:06:04] be yet to come, I want to say, it's an extremely
[00:06:07] divided party, what does it mean to be a Democrat today, what does it mean to be on the left
[00:06:11] in the United States? That will be a big question and there's a real risk for the
[00:06:14] party in the coming months, ah, this party is torn,
[00:06:17] it's torn, it's lacking leaders, by the way, it's interesting because we see some who
[00:06:21] will undoubtedly emerge after these elections, we saw personalities stand out, very
[00:06:25] interesting personalities, by the way, but in the polls to know who was the
[00:06:28] favorite for the 2028 presidential
[00:06:32] election on the Democratic side, just before this election, we were told
[00:06:35] that it was Kamala Harris, meaning when we saw the
[00:06:39] result last time, it was perhaps not the best solution. And so, yes, of course,
[00:06:43] they are torn, they are torn between this rather centrist wing that would be represented, we can
[00:06:47] say, by James Stalarico, James
[00:06:50] Stalarico, who is this Democrat who won
[00:06:54] in Texas, which is extraordinary, he won for several
[00:06:58] reasons, first he had a catastrophic opponent in front of him, an extremist, Ken
[00:07:01] Paxton, who was also perceived as quite corrupt, but he won
[00:07:05] because he said: "Come on, we have to work with Republicans, we have to serve Texans, we
[00:07:09] have to stop tearing ourselves apart, I'm ready to work with... others,
[00:07:12] and I am not a dogmatist." The same thing
[00:07:16] in Kansas, there too, an absolutely
[00:07:19] remarkable victory, Kansas where a Democratic
[00:07:22] senator, pardon me, was elected for the first time since 1932, he
[00:07:26] says, "My father is a Republican, I can get along with Republicans, we need to go back to the
[00:07:30] center, we need to stop being too ideological." And on the other
[00:07:33] side, indeed, Abdullah al-Sayed, who for his part is a
[00:07:37] representative completely of this other Democratic wing who also
[00:07:41] wins but who... who wins a seat that already belonged to the Democrats,
[00:07:45] the nuance is extremely important in Michigan, and Abdullah Al-Sayyad,
[00:07:48] who is of Egyptian origin, who is the
[00:07:52] first, he has a lot of history in this election, the first
[00:07:56] Arab-American senator and, above all,
[00:07:59] Muslim senator in the history of
[00:08:02] Congress. So he is progressive, he is willingly
[00:08:06] on the fringes of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is this
[00:08:09] new very left-wing movement that is
[00:08:12] gaining momentum. But the counter-example of El Sayed is what happened in
[00:08:16] Florida with Mrs. Nixon, who actually lost, and
[00:08:20] what's interesting in this story is that if we rewind to the time of the
[00:08:23] Democratic primaries in
[00:08:26] Florida, well, she's a very
[00:08:29] win that primary even though she was less funded than her
[00:08:35] party establishment, well-funded, well-supported, rather centrist.
[00:08:38] Ultimately, it's Mrs. Nixon who wins
[00:08:42] that primary and who then loses in this midterm election, and
[00:08:46] that had already been predicted at the time by the pollsters who said she was too far to the left to
[00:08:49] rally the center, so that's going to be the question, you have to see that Joe Biden
[00:08:53] was rather a centrist and there too saw the result, but in
[00:08:57] all cases, yes, the Democratic party will have to choose, will have to
[00:09:01] choose if it is more Talarico, if it is
[00:09:03] more Alexandria Ocasio
[00:09:07] Cortes, and it's rather to the left, what's
[00:09:10] interesting is that, and we see it in this election, the Republican
[00:09:13] party had managed to monopolize being the party of the common
[00:09:17] people, of the workers, of the disadvantaged classes, and it seems that the
[00:09:21] Democrats have managed to regain ground in
[00:09:25] this demographic group, and that's going to be very important for
[00:09:28] 2028, so they're going to have to find a line and find
[00:09:31] leaders, and it's going to be interesting to observe how that's going to
[00:09:35] happen, who have obviously started to
[00:09:37] emerge, obviously, especially during this
[00:09:41] election. We're going to have a cohabitation between the
[00:09:45] Democrats and the
[00:09:48] So, is it going to be war? That's obviously the first thing we say,
[00:09:51] but everyone said, "Oh no, Donald Trump will refuse the election results,
[00:09:55] he'll contest them, he'll..." First reaction on the phone: "Well, congratulations, guys,
[00:09:59] you ran a good campaign, I lost,
[00:10:02] I don't see why I would contest the results." It's quite wonderful to hear Donald Trump say
[00:10:06] that, it was on the phone immediately
[00:10:08] after on Fox News,
[00:10:12] Donald Trump who says he's ready to work with Democrats and who says,
[00:10:16] "You know, I have a lot of friends among Democrats." In short, he's
[00:10:19] perhaps worried. Well, I think there are several things. I think first,
[00:10:23] the first thing is that the results are so clear that it would be completely ridiculous to go to
[00:10:26] court to contest them. That's the first point. I also think, having
[00:10:30] gone to Wyoming for a report with
[00:10:33] my colleague Sylvain Rousseau for 15 days,
[00:10:37] that he has lost his base, that is, this famous MAGA base that was
[00:10:41] unwavering, and well, today it has turned away from
[00:10:44] him, especially because of the war in Iran, and so he knows that no one else
[00:10:48] is going to go take the Capitol for him, and I prove this by the fact
[00:10:52] that we went to this state, which is the reddest of... all the red states, where we
[00:10:56] interviewed people who were absolutely
[00:10:59] convinced Trump supporters. You have to know that they voted more than 70%, or even more than 70%,
[00:11:03] for Donald Trump in Wyoming, and there we met
[00:11:06] Republicans, members of the Republican party, who were pure
[00:11:09] and hard-line and who said, "No, we can't take it anymore, he betrayed us, he's waging war in Iran
[00:11:13] even though he promised he wouldn't, he's raising fuel prices, he's
[00:11:17] bringing in foreign beef, which is destroying our
[00:11:20] incomes," since there are a lot of ranchers, we see the images behind me, so there's a real
[00:11:24] real exhaustion, and what we noticed
[00:11:28] during this filming with Sylvain is that in fact, there's an
[00:11:31] old guard, as he calls it, Republican, who has put money back on the
[00:11:35] table, who is restocking, who is saying, "Wait, the Republican party
[00:11:39] is not this extremist Donald Trump party, it's a party
[00:11:42] that was John McCain's, that was Ronald Reagan's, that was a
[00:11:46] pro-business party, not necessarily
[00:11:48] entrenched on immigration, on the contrary, it was rather pro-
[00:11:52] immigration, and it's not at all the party that Donald Trump
[00:11:56] ultimately took in this kind of hostile takeover of
[00:11:59] 2016. So it's interesting to see if this current within the Republicans will return to
[00:12:03] power or not, but in any case, Donald Trump finds himself
[00:12:06] with a masterful defeat on his hands, a very
[00:12:10] important admission, and a situation where he cannot contest this election. So the next
[00:12:13] step is that he also said during the same phone call, "I'm going to be Mr.
[00:12:17] Veto, and we're going to negotiate the new cascade." We saw the new cascade,
[00:12:21] exactly, the famous "Make America Great Again" has disappeared from
[00:12:25] his vetoes, so that still gives us an idea of what could be next, this
[00:12:30] Trump era, turn to the future, it has deep
[00:12:34] divisions, you just mentioned them, we still have the impression that America today
[00:12:38] is making a 180° turn, we saw
[00:12:41] these Americans from Texas, just to name a few, wake up to discover the
[00:12:45] results on television, I don't think they've quite recovered yet, they're probably still
[00:12:48] digesting the victory, that's a concept, digesting a victory,
[00:12:52] uh, what does that tell us today about American
[00:12:55] political culture, this turnaround, anything is possible?
[00:12:59] So first, I want to say one thing: I find it magnificent for American democracy, which still functions
[00:13:02] in an exceptional way, and it's
[00:13:06] always magical to see it in action, meaning that in
[00:13:09] 2016, a billionaire from nowhere came and won
[00:13:13] the election, so we saw the consequences, but it was still incredible to
[00:13:16] see that no one had
[00:13:20] impression that the administration
[00:13:24] was all-powerful, that it led this country by terror, and that ultimately,
[00:13:27] no, once again, the citizens expressed
[00:13:31] themselves, and the result was respected. It also says
[00:13:34] that it's not the first time we've seen 180° turns in the United States, because
[00:13:39] Barack Obama's election, we still have an America that voted twice
[00:13:43] for George W. Bush, which we often forget, it's funny, he now looks like an old
[00:13:47] sage, but George W. Bush was still
[00:13:51] the intervener in the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan.
[00:13:55] It's all the measures we know, you remember, it was Edward Snowden, it was
[00:13:58] mass surveillance, it's incredible everything that happened under Bush, the least we can
[00:14:02] say is that he wasn't a choirboy, and then boom, they elect Barack
[00:14:06] Obama, the first black progressive president of the
[00:14:09] United States in an election in 2008,
[00:14:12] and they have two terms of that, and boom, they give us Donald Trump, so
[00:14:16] I want to say, well, it's still
[00:14:18] possible, as they say, they like it to shake things up, so to speak,
[00:14:22] and so that's what they did again this time. The question is, what's going to
[00:14:26] happen now? Because what we could also have, the Democrats, and you're right, I'm
[00:14:29] optimistic, but maybe I'm wrong, the Democrats could also get into what
[00:14:33] we could call revenge politics, which is what Donald Trump
[00:14:36] wanted to do, he wanted to make those who hurt him
[00:14:39] pay. And in my opinion, they would be wrong to do it, because I spent
[00:14:43] 15 days in the United States and people are tired, they don't want it, but they
[00:14:47] could embark on an interminable cycle of hearings, trials,
[00:14:50] of attacks, of attempts to
[00:14:53] impeach different officials and Donald Trump
[00:14:56] himself, which will be a temptation, let's be
[00:14:59] clear, and well, we'll see if the Democrats restart a new cycle of violence or
[00:15:03] démocrates un nouveau cycle de violence ou
[00:15:18] politics, I think we will have a lot to say in the coming
[00:15:22] weeks, thank you for following us, this is the end of behind the image,
[00:15:26] the news continues on France
[00:15:27] 24.
[00:15:44] It is on this roundabout at the foot of the Arlington military
[00:15:46] cemetery that Donald Trump wants to erect a 250-foot
[00:15:50] arch, nearly 76 meters, to celebrate
[00:15:53] the 250th anniversary of American
[00:15:55] independence.
[00:15:58] A project strongly contested by many veterans like Shawn
[00:16:02] Burns, a Vietnam
[00:16:04] War veteran.
[00:16:07] It will obstruct the view of the Lincoln Memorial and the Memorial
[00:16:10] Bridge, erected to symbolize reconciliation
[00:16:14] and reunification of the country after the Civil War.
[00:16:16] Shawn believes that the 250th anniversary
[00:16:18] of the United States is just a pretext to justify a
[00:16:21] narcissistic initiative by the American president. He has therefore decided
[00:16:25] to sue the government alongside two other
[00:16:29] former combatants.
[00:16:31] combattant.
[00:16:34] I am a decorated veteran of the Purple Heart, it's a
[00:16:37] combat, Trump avoided
[00:16:39] conscription,
[00:16:42] the idea that he could erect a gigantic monument to his own
[00:16:45] glory, which would overshadow the graves
[00:16:49] in this cemetery, this sacred place, deeply
[00:16:53] revolts me.
[00:16:57] If a monument were to be erected for the 250th anniversary of our country,
[00:17:01] something many people would never have considered before, it should
[00:17:04] celebrate the accomplishments of our people.
[00:17:10] A few days ago, the District of Columbia and the State of Virginia also
[00:17:13] filed a lawsuit in federal court in the hope of blocking the
[00:17:17] project. Donald Trump had already tried to put his name on the
[00:17:20] Kennedy Center before a judge forced him to remove it last
[00:17:24] May.
[00:17:29] Since his return to power, the president has been multiplying
[00:17:32] initiatives to reshape the American capital in his own image,
[00:17:36] which is angering part of the
[00:17:38] population.
[00:17:41] However, the White House is not worried, in his arch
[00:17:44] project, Donald Trump is simply awaiting validation from the National
[00:17:48] Capital Planning Commission this November
[00:17:49] 5th.
[00:17:57] A commission where the American president has appointed several loyalists
[00:18:00] and which had already pre-validated the arch in
[00:18:02] July.
[00:18:38] an organization that mobilizes Americans over 60 around the defense
[00:18:41] of democracy.
[00:18:44] People are angry for many reasons, and in my
[00:18:48] eyes, all of them are legitimate, the chosen location, the dimensions of the
[00:18:52] monument, its cost, and the fact that the project is being carried out without
[00:18:55] congressional approval, it's
[00:18:57] illegal.
[00:19:01] We cannot let this happen. Unfortunately, as
[00:19:04] we have seen lately, the president always gets his way.
[00:19:09] If the project is approved, work would begin
[00:19:12] immediately. The administration has already presented a schedule
[00:19:16] according to which the construction site would operate 20 hours a day, all year round
[00:19:19] for 2 to 3 years, a prospect that raises questions
[00:19:23] about air safety.
[00:19:27] One of the points that could pose a problem is that we don't yet know if the monument
[00:19:30] will be equipped with decorative lighting to highlight it at
[00:19:34] night.
[00:19:37] distance, such lighting could distract pilots, or even cause
[00:19:41] glare for those who want to
[00:19:43] proximity.
[00:19:48] Thomas Lintner spent 30 years with the
[00:19:51] FAA, the federal agency in charge of civil aviation,
[00:19:54] which concluded in September that the arch would not pose a danger to
[00:19:58] aircraft. But for the former air traffic controller, the question
[00:20:02] of helicopter traffic remains. Nearly
[00:20:05] 90 flights are recorded every day in the Washington
[00:20:08] area.
[00:20:11] Helicopters use marked air corridors,
[00:20:14] listed on maps that indicate the presence of
[00:20:18] fixed obstacles and allow them to navigate along the
[00:20:21] Potomac.
[00:20:24] But these itineraries do not require them to fly on a precise side of the
[00:20:28] river. Only altitude limits are set, not
[00:20:31] lateral trajectories.
[00:20:34] With this 76-meter arch, a new obstacle comes.
[00:20:50] meter, which became, even before its construction, an eminently
[00:20:53] political
[00:20:54] symbol.
[00:21:03] immediately your program with Crédit Mutuel, to all those who make
[00:21:06] sport, Crédit Mutuel gives
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[00:21:15] Your program with Parmigiano
[00:21:17] Regiano.
[00:30:07] and it's the start for, it's the start of your world tour on France 24, it's
[00:30:10] 3 PM here in Paris, welcome, very large processions this Thursday
[00:30:14] in France, the CGT counts 250 demonstrators at midday,
[00:30:18] this Thursday could be the high point of this social autumn,
[00:30:21] the parades are underway in Paris, as you can see live, purchasing power
[00:30:25] remains the main subject, we will find Mary Shuster in a
[00:30:28] moment, how this anger resonates beyond our borders.
[00:30:33] in other European countries, Generation Z also made its voice heard in recent
[00:30:36] weeks, can we draw parallels, particularly with the situation in
[00:30:40] Italy, questions and answers with a journalist who knows Rome as well as Paris,
[00:30:43] Alberto Toscano, hello Alberto, hello, we will also come back to these
[00:30:46] mysterious bomb threats, they concern planes flying over
[00:30:50] Europe each time, they are very numerous since the beginning of the week, several
[00:30:54] aircraft were diverted this Thursday, that's
[00:30:58] the main news.