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[00:00:14] in France, the CGT counts 250 protesters at [00:00:18] midday, this Thursday could be the [00:00:20] that a marker, would you say, highlight of this social autumn, the parades are underway in [00:00:23] Paris, you can see it live here, purchasing power remains the main [00:00:26] subject, we'll find Mary Shuster in a moment, how does [00:00:30] this anger resonate beyond our borders, in other European [00:00:33] countries, Gen Z has also spoken out in recent weeks, [00:00:37] can we draw parallels, particularly with the situation in Italy, Q&A [00:00:41] with a journalist who knows Rome as well as Paris, Alberto Toscano, hello [00:00:44] Alberto, hello, we'll also come back to these mysterious bomb alerts, they [00:00:48] always concern planes flying over Europe, there have been many [00:00:52] pose a problem that goes beyond since the beginning of the week, several planes were diverted this [00:00:56] Thursday. [00:00:58] exit, he had left the CLSAO That's the main news. And we'll also [00:01:01] come back to the Youth Olympic Games in our Africa segment at 3:30 p.m. [00:01:04] For the first time, a refugee team has formed and is participating in the [00:01:08] competition, we met [00:01:26] Streets and squares packed with people, it's a day of protest. [00:01:30] Whether from the public or private sector, French workers are called to strike [00:01:33] today, a very welcome relay for students and [00:01:36] high school students who have been leading the movement almost since the start of the school year, you [00:01:40] see here these [00:01:43] meaning the sign of images of Paris, Marie Chuster, you are in the [00:01:46] procession right in the heart of the action, a procession that must [00:01:49] link Place de la République to Place de la Nation, you are on Boulevard [00:01:53] Voltaire, there is determination on site and it's [00:01:56] rather calm for now. [00:02:01] stop yes indeed Julien, a rather good-natured atmosphere [00:02:05] since the beginning of this demonstration, we see a lot [00:02:08] of orchestras that create the atmosphere, who sing [00:02:11] and everyone sings along at the top of their lungs in this procession, [00:02:15] this mobilization is very well followed, in this procession we find a lot of private sector employees [00:02:19] but also public sector employees, it's a call for a general [00:02:22] strike also for the public sector, also for [00:02:24] national education, and in fact I found in the procession, well, [00:02:28] Marianne. Rossie, who is a history teacher [00:02:32] at Voltaire high school in the 11th arrondissement in Paris, [00:02:35] exactly, could you explain to me the [00:02:38] importance of today's mobilization, why are you here today? Well, [00:02:42] I'm here because first of all it's an inter-union and [00:02:45] inter-professional call for employment, for [00:02:48] salaries and in support of youth, because young people, high school students [00:02:52] and university students, they have the same demands as us, quality public [00:02:56] education, and we are also here for public services. [00:03:00] Public hospitals, like education, need resources to [00:03:03] prepare the future for our young people, so we are here, we are [00:03:06] supporting them, but we also have [00:03:10] problems of managing demands on salaries, which are also shared by our students since they say we need to be better [00:03:14] paid, so we are here at the [00:03:17] high school, we are in an inter- well, a complete inter-union, [00:03:21] many of us are on strike today and this morning we were in front of the high school [00:03:25] supporting the students and trying to act as a, let's say, [00:03:29] buffer between the... law enforcement and our students [00:03:32] who chose the blockade as a mode of mobilization, yes, because you told me [00:03:35] that indeed this morning in front of your high school there were some scuffles [00:03:39] between your students and the police, could you tell me what happened? Well, [00:03:43] for several weeks [00:03:46] France is going through as the it happens that the forces that it is tense between high school students and law enforcement, especially when high [00:03:50] school students move forward to block the high school, there are exchanges [00:03:53] around the trash cans, sometimes so there were also uh, we can [00:03:57] say, there were police charges or students were beaten [00:04:01] to the ground, today, a student was thrown to [00:04:04] the ground by a plainclothes police officer, so there you go, it's often [00:04:08] a kind of of, let's say, [00:04:11] a bit of organized chaos by the police, I could say, and [00:04:15] there you go, it's not escalations every time, so there you go, it's getting [00:04:18] heated, but we're here to intervene, to [00:04:21] avoid, there you go, to avoid detentions, to avoid [00:04:24] obviously that our students are brutalized, [00:04:28] are insulted, that... happens and are also [00:04:31] searched, searched, [00:04:38] A Rafale then a Mirage 2000 from escorted by air force searches that are quite surprising, as happened 2 days ago where some students were frisked, I would say it's [00:04:41] it's, well, it's frisks on minors [00:04:44] that, I would say, are of, well, of something [00:04:48] that could be for, finally, for which they could be [00:04:52] given on the origin of and the scale of prosecuted, thank you very much Marianne, so you see, if the [00:04:54] atmosphere was quite tense this morning in front of this high school in the 11th [00:04:58] arrondissement, it is nothing like that currently in the heart of this procession, in the heart [00:05:02] of this demonstration boulevard, [00:05:05] Boulevard Voltaire pardon in Paris, despite [00:05:08] a large security deployment, you can probably [00:05:11] hear them. The helicopters circling above this [00:05:15] demonstration since this morning, thank you very much [00:05:18] Marie Schluster, thanks also to Valentine Herba for the technical [00:05:22] means, at the heart of the demands, salaries, [00:05:24] purchasing power, for many French people, the feeling of no longer [00:05:28] being able to live properly from their work remains, this is not just a [00:05:31] feeling, poverty is at its highest level in 30 years in the [00:05:35] country, see this report in Lyon by Étienne Prijan and Margerie [00:05:38] Nadal. [00:05:42] Ecologist high school student, social, on the placards, there's also [00:05:46] a lot of talk about purchasing power, cost of living, this [00:05:49] mother, for example, came to protest, receives RSA, [00:05:53] inflation hit me hard, even kosher food has become a great [00:05:56] luxury, and at some point it's very easy to increase [00:06:00] product prices, but VAT also increases, I'm doing financial [00:06:04] acrobatics, electricity will soon [00:06:07] be reduced, it's... [00:06:11] meals we've skipped with the kids, [00:06:14] I've lost count, slogans to [00:06:18] demand an increase in the minimum wage, retirement pensions. Laurent Jacquet [00:06:22] is 61 years old, a former employee in collective catering, he [00:06:25] earns 1600 euros net per month and pays 700 euros in rent. I [00:06:29] manage, but it's not easy every day, every day and every month, because [00:06:32] when you want to go out once or twice a month, you're [00:06:35] quickly affected, so after 43 years, well, I know [00:06:39] it was collective catering, but I find that... [00:06:43] Limiting oneself to essentials is also the case for Ingrid Godin, who calls for [00:06:46] more tax justice, [00:06:50] 200 euros per month, in my opinion, it's not enough compared to [00:06:53] the involvement it represents, we need to increase salaries, yes, without reducing [00:06:57] social contributions because that's still what ensures us a [00:07:00] system that allows us to get healthcare and for retirees [00:07:04] to have a decent income, which is not the case for everyone, what is the [00:07:07] solution, rich, tax justice, the truly [00:07:11] rich. According to the latest Ipsos barometer for Secours [00:07:14] Populaire, 26% of French people, or a little over a quarter of the [00:07:18] population, consider themselves to be in a precarious [00:07:20] situation. So how are these demonstrations viewed abroad, [00:07:24] can they create a snowball effect while young [00:07:27] Europeans have also been protesting for several weeks? We're going to ask these questions with [00:07:31] our guest Alberto Toscano, Italian journalist, it's been [00:07:34] 40 years that you've been following and covering [00:07:38] the news in France, so you've known the big social [00:07:41] events, the big strikes of '95 [00:07:45] under Juppé, the CPE under de Villepin, what else was [00:07:48] there, the pension reform too, the pension [00:07:52] reforms, do you feel that we are on another [00:07:55] bad mood of the French or is it a more [00:07:59] profound movement? It is undoubtedly [00:08:02] a profound movement in the sense that [00:08:05] uh we see the difficulties on the [00:08:09] ground of the cost of living, so it's a... [00:08:12] society that is questioning very real problems [00:08:16] at the same time among these very [00:08:19] real problems there are not the [00:08:22] public finances, that is to say we act as if France [00:08:26] on this front had its accounts in order and [00:08:30] there, on the other hand, there are difficulties, but then you hear the protesters, they say [00:08:33] well we need to tax the rich, it's not even, it's not even a debate, it's [00:08:37] it's a slogan, behind the slogans we need [00:08:40] policies and the problems. The current France cannot [00:08:44] envisage coherent policies because it does not have a [00:08:48] parliamentary majority and a country where the government does not have a [00:08:51] majority has difficulty envisaging the future. As [00:08:55] for the first part of your question, [00:08:58] the difference compared to other social [00:09:02] shocks I've seen in 40 years since I've been a correspondent in [00:09:06] Paris and the difference in my opinion is also the fact that [00:09:09] this time there is no reform. Yes, presumed [00:09:13] reform that the government can withdraw and yes because [00:09:17] we are in a particular context at the end of a mandate with a [00:09:21] government that is minority, does that mean [00:09:24] that the current government will not be able to offer anything to [00:09:27] these demonstrations and that we are in for 5 or 6 months [00:09:31] of demands, can Emmanuel Macron [00:09:34] hold on? One would have to ask Emmanuel [00:09:37] Macron if he wants to [00:09:40] hold on, I think that at this point... he wants to hold on, he [00:09:44] wants to see it through, but the [00:09:47] coming months in France will be [00:09:50] characterized by social tensions, it's [00:09:54] a fairly easy prophecy to make, the [00:09:57] problem is that we must hope that this social tension does not [00:10:00] cross a red line that could [00:10:03] effectively create a, that would [00:10:06] end up in the pre-election atmosphere and create a [00:10:09] situation of tension or difficult to [00:10:13] control, so we must hope that everything remains, [00:10:16] despite the current tension, that the red [00:10:20] line is not crossed, what does the [00:10:23] Italian experience show, which... [00:10:25] has often sometimes been on the brink of economic [00:10:28] collapse, have Italians [00:10:32] resigned themselves to sacrifices? Italians are making [00:10:35] sacrifices, the finance law that the Italian [00:10:38] government will present to [00:10:41] parliament, which will be approved with [00:10:44] pain and which is extremely criticized by [00:10:47] the left opposition, this finance law is a [00:10:51] set of sacrifices and to [00:10:54] say... one thing, [00:10:57] the Italian budget would be [00:11:00] in surplus if it did not have debt [00:11:04] servicing, Italy has a [00:11:07] primary surplus, a positive primary balance, [00:11:10] with what sacrifices, the [00:11:12] sacrifices, [00:11:18] Italians are preparing to go beyond [00:11:22] 67 years old, it will be 67 and a [00:11:25] quarter to have full [00:11:29] retirement uh [00:11:31] obviously there is a combination with the years of work, [00:11:35] but the full retirement age will normally be 67 and a quarter and [00:11:38] this reform, this pension reform, passed like [00:11:42] a breeze in Italy, no, there were protests, protests, [00:11:46] but public opinion [00:11:49] uh following the work of [00:11:52] persuasion and the work uh and the [00:11:55] and the dangers that characterized the government of Mario Monti [00:11:59] a few years ago, a technocratic government, a [00:12:03] government that also benefited from left-wing [00:12:06] support as well as right-wing support, so the [00:12:09] government of Mario Monti painfully carried out this [00:12:13] difficult pension reform and [00:12:16] so Italians are making sacrifices, they will [00:12:20] make them, they have a public debt [00:12:23] uh which is... just under [00:12:26] 140% of GDP compared to [00:12:29] around 120% in France, so in [00:12:33] relation to GDP, the debt but at the cost of precarity, [00:12:37] Italians must work more, they have a [00:12:40] lower salary, precarity, I would say no in the sense that unemployment [00:12:43] today in Italy is [00:12:46] significantly more uh reduced than in [00:12:50] France, uh lower than in [00:12:52] France. So, there are salaries, [00:12:56] there are sacrifices on salary, on [00:12:59] taxation which has increased and [00:13:02] on retirement, there are sacrifices, but [00:13:06] in terms of work, of employment, [00:13:09] today unemployment in Italy [00:13:12] is lower than in France, we're going to look at these images in Italy, Alberto Toscano, on October [00:13:16] 17th, France experienced a day in hell with looting and [00:13:20] violence, there you go, and then in Italy it was the [00:13:23] same black day. Especially in Milan with [00:13:27] destruction in especially in luxury [00:13:30] stores, uh and Giorgia Meloni I believe sent [00:13:34] in the military, yes, what does this day say [00:13:37] in your opinion, can we draw a parallel with France? Ah, Italians copied [00:13:41] France, in terms of demonstrations, Italians [00:13:45] for centuries copied [00:13:47] France, so once again, Italian public opinion [00:13:51] was extremely sensitive to what was happening in France. [00:13:55] There was the October 17th movement, these are mainly [00:13:58] young people, students and demonstrations [00:14:02] in Milan and there were [00:14:06] tensions and behind these tensions there was [00:14:09] an opportunity to reflect on phenomena that Italy [00:14:13] had not reflected on until today, so [00:14:16] uh the phenomenon of integration [00:14:20] and the anger of immigrants [00:14:23] of uh... 2nd generation, 2nd, 3rd [00:14:27] generation, the children of immigrants who [00:14:30] today rediscover anger, the suburbs, [00:14:34] what was in France, the suburban revolt of 2005, [00:14:37] 2006, what was in France, the incidents after [00:14:41] the death of Nahel 3 years ago, this [00:14:44] phenomenon of protest that results [00:14:47] in a problem of failed integration [00:14:51] or difficulties, there were starting points, there were starting points, [00:14:54] the death of Nahel, the riots, it's because two young [00:14:58] people were chased by the police and were electrocuted, it's not integration [00:15:02] problems, but it was the [00:15:04] catalyst, the death was the spark that [00:15:08] revealed a deep-seated anger that exists in [00:15:12] the French suburbs in 2005 [00:15:16] the revolt of late 2005 was [00:15:19] such that it revealed not only a [00:15:22] protest about a specific [00:15:26] event, the specific events were the [00:15:30] trigger for a protest that had much deeper [00:15:33] roots, let's return to the situation in Italy, we sometimes [00:15:37] talk about Gen Z, the Gaza generation in Italy, [00:15:40] with strong support for Palestinians, exactly. [00:15:43] Of course, they support the Palestinians, the Gazans, in the face of [00:15:46] the atrocities of the Israeli army during this war which has [00:15:50] escalated but which sometimes continues with [00:15:53] bombardments. Is [00:15:57] of youth, of the demands? What is a flag? It's a [00:16:00] flag that once again allows [00:16:04] the protest that is particular. Because [00:16:07] as I said earlier, it's a protest that also [00:16:10] reveals, not only, but also the anger [00:16:14] of immigrants, of the children of immigrants, [00:16:17] and the Palestinian flag has become the flag of these [00:16:21] demonstrations and of this anger, so and in [00:16:25] Italy, undoubtedly these demonstrations [00:16:30] public order. In terms of the republic, there was what you [00:16:33] said earlier, the choice of the George Melloni government to use... [00:16:37] these 500 soldiers in the city of Milan, in [00:16:41] France, we talked about that as a huge phenomenon, but [00:16:45] in the French streets, for years there has been the [00:16:48] Sentinel device that employs soldiers with [00:16:52] functions that today, in the context of these [00:16:56] demonstrations, are also public order functions, so I [00:16:59] I believe we should not exaggerate this element of the [00:17:03] military presence uh in [00:17:06] Milan. But it is still [00:17:09] once again a revealing fact [00:17:12] that the defense of public order in Italy today is a [00:17:16] difficult problem [00:17:18] to achieve, difficult to solve [00:17:22] because the scale of the demonstrations and of the anger has really become [00:17:26] remarkable. Thank you Alberto Toscano for giving us your [00:17:29] perspective, not Franco-Italian, but well, [00:17:33] you know European exactly about these [00:17:36] events, thank you again. [00:17:38] This day is of course closely scrutinized by the French executive who could make a gesture regarding [00:17:42] the minimum wage, its revaluation on January 1st could be moved up to December [00:17:46] 1st and to that would be added a boost, we don't know the extent [00:17:49] especially since the 2027 budget is still in limbo, deputies rejected the [00:17:53] text yesterday Julien Ellion [00:17:56] at the National Assembly, the government suffers a first setback for its [00:17:59] 2027 budget, 0 for, [00:18:03] 458 against, the assembly did not adopt. [00:18:07] Unanimously, after more than 2 weeks of debate, the deputies [00:18:11] reject the revenue part of the 2027 budget project, this result [00:18:14] is not a surprise for the executive, before the vote, the [00:18:18] Minister of Public Accounts reiterated with determination his objectives, we [00:18:21] will be mobilized with the entire government and under the authority of the [00:18:25] Prime Minister, to give France what it needs, what the French [00:18:29] need, what employees and business leaders need, [00:18:32] that is economic stability, financial stability and therefore [00:18:36] the reduction of the public deficit. The bill now continues its journey [00:18:39] to the Senate, in the absence of a majority and compromise with the [00:18:43] opposition, the government could have the budget adopted without [00:18:46] a vote by the end of the month, for that, it has several [00:18:49] tools. We have two safety nets that exist, [00:18:53] Article 49/3 and Article 47 [00:18:56] on the possible application of ordinances, a priori, that's not [00:18:59] our objective, but if we have to use the safety nets, we will [00:19:03] obviously do so. Last year, the budget was adopted thanks to 49. [00:19:08] The government had escaped several motions of no confidence. [00:19:12] What is happening in the European sky? For 3 days, traffic has been disrupted due [00:19:15] to false bomb alerts. 12, just this morning. In fact, [00:19:19] several planes even had to be diverted. This is the case of an [00:19:22] A320 Dublin-Rome that had to make an emergency landing in Normandy. Manon [00:19:26] Bougo and Audi Longuvalle. [00:19:29] The passengers on this plane were supposed to land in Rome. Here [00:19:33] they are on the tarmac of the military base in Evreux. [00:19:36] The aircraft was diverted this morning due to a [00:19:40] bomb threat, we divert the plane to the nearest [00:19:44] suitable airport, in this case it was the Evreux airport, which [00:19:48] is a military airport, once the plane is on the ground, well, we [00:19:51] call in bomb disposal operators. On [00:19:54] board, there were 151 passengers and six [00:19:57] crew members, it was almost 8 am this morning when their [00:20:01] airliner, an A320 of the Aer Lingus company, took off from [00:20:04] Dublin, heading for Rome, but after an hour of flight, the aircraft changed [00:20:08] trajectory, it was then [00:20:11] pilots. [00:20:15] the Air and Space Force thus took off to intercept [00:20:19] this civil aircraft in the Paris sector, then to [00:20:23] escort it to Air Base 105 of Evreux-Fauville. For [00:20:26] now, no information has been [00:20:29] the alert. This is not the only plane that was targeted this morning by a bomb [00:20:33] threat, there were at least 11 others and last Tuesday... [00:20:50] For what purpose each time, the planes are [00:20:53] searched and no suspicious device has been found [00:20:56] so far. [00:20:58] Consultations continue more than a week after the election in Israel. This morning, President [00:21:02] Herzog received a delegation from the United Torah [00:21:06] Judaism party, an ultra-orthodox formation that this time refuses [00:21:09] to join Netanyahu. This is very bad news for the outgoing Prime Minister, [00:21:13] who reiterates his accusations of foreign interference that would have [00:21:16] favored the Arab parties. For his part, Gadier. [00:21:20] already believes it, moreover, the main [00:21:23] Arab list announces support for Gantz to form the next [00:24:13] in danger, you who were a factory [00:24:16] worker, son of a worker, socialist activist"? [00:24:20] Communist, communist, anarchist afterwards, we'll get to that, [00:24:23] Stéphanois, you who have spent your life crossing [00:24:27] borders, singing about métissage, Bernard Lavillier, what [00:24:30] is your view on the political and social crisis that [00:24:36] presidential election approaches next year, it's a big [00:24:39] logic, huh, it's a series of events with a kind of [00:24:42] letting go, they are no longer even technocrats, they are the little marquises who [00:24:46] took power, they took anyway the... the goal [00:24:50] of a president in a competition [00:24:53] that I mean, the goal in elections is [00:24:57] still to win, so afterwards he can promise whatever he wants, the [00:25:00] population doesn't give a damn about it in reality, for me, I think that [00:25:04] knowing others of all colors has given me the [00:25:08] advantage of being able to decode even [00:25:11] my brothers and sisters here because what [00:25:14] they lack is no need to reduce oneself to a [00:25:17] community, it becomes extremely bizarre. To think [00:25:20] all the same thing at the same time, I prefer [00:25:23] absolute diversity, that is to say the possibility of [00:25:26] arguing because we don't agree, but did you expect such a level of violence [00:25:30] in French [00:25:31] society? It goes [00:25:35] with uh how can I explain it, the [00:25:39] contempt or ignorance of letting conflicts or [00:25:43] demands simply rot for [00:25:45] months, he has a side of the end of the marquise too, it's a bit [00:25:49] over for the... so I'm talking about the marquises who are in [00:25:53] power for now, I made a song called beautiful [00:25:56] days, beautiful days, I [00:25:59] talk about them being well dressed, all out. of their [00:26:02] boxes, but they have no idea how to lead anything [00:26:06] whatsoever. [00:26:08] B: The president is on edge, and despite [00:26:12] everything, he lies, denies, [00:26:14] brazenly, [00:26:17] they get tired, they run away, they annoy us, they [00:26:21] confine us, [00:26:25] let's talk about poetry because politicians for now tend [00:26:29] to exasperate me, what [00:26:31] memory? What value do you keep of your work in the [00:26:34] factory, the value of direct [00:26:38] labor, the fact of being a good worker, that [00:26:41] followed me all the time, I used it later when traveling, [00:26:45] I sometimes continued to work as a turner in foreign countries, [00:26:49] so I think that the very [00:26:51] idea of starting to work at 16 in a [00:26:55] factory, you see, retirement for me [00:26:58] is not for right away for now, but in any case I [00:27:02] think that gives a certain pride, [00:27:05] on the other hand, the army was out of the question, no, no, no, oh, surely [00:27:09] not, and no, no, no, [00:27:12] no, no, no, I didn't want to be in the army because no [00:27:16] god, no master, no foreman, so there you go, I was like that at the time, and I [00:27:20] still am a bit, you still have no god, no master, [00:27:23] isn't that a bit utopian today, this [00:27:26] motto, well I mean, until now, no one [00:27:29] has presented me with God, so if you want, I should have [00:27:32] believed, I being independent, I have [00:27:36] managed to live up to 80 years without passing through [00:27:39] God, and maybe I will die in a few [00:27:42] years without passing through God, I will see afterwards no [00:27:46] doubt, but I won't be able to tell you, Bernard [00:27:50] Lavillier on France 24, a short break in our world tour, we'll meet again in 2 minutes for the [00:27:53] Africa [00:27:54] meeting. [00:28:04] I was told not long ago that I could do the JOG, the Gio [00:28:08] is crazy, we are of course aiming for a medal, we try [00:28:12] to go for the medals, if possible the gold medal, I am [00:28:14] capable, [00:28:17] I hope the work will pay off, I do it every day, you always have [00:28:20] to repeat, repeat, three training sessions per week until you [00:28:24] master it thoroughly, [00:28:26] she is a competitor, she has a killer look, she is a real [00:28:30] lion, ready to devour everything in front of her, I didn't think I would do [00:28:34] people one day, it's true that it seems crazy, the Youth Olympic Games in [00:28:38] Dakar on France 24 and all our social networks. [00:30:26] 24 hours after the municipal elections, the big meeting before the general [00:30:29] elections of 2029, first information. The [00:30:32] participation, more than one in two voters turned out. We find [00:30:36] Caroline Dumé in one of the results centers in [00:30:39] Cape Town. [00:30:43] The only definitive figure we have for now is that of participation. [00:30:46] 54.5% of the votes, a better figure than in [00:30:50] 2021. At this stage, with less than [00:30:54] half of the ballots counted, the ANC remains the largest party in the [00:30:57] country with more than 32%.