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[00:00:19] a Alex Armstrong. Tonight's Late edition.
[00:00:23] Economically, what can
[00:00:24] you do differently? A wealth tax, possibly
[00:00:26] of the super rich? Uh, I do believe we need a greater sense. of
[00:00:31] of fairness and people feeling that things are are are being
[00:00:34] done in in the right way and fair way, yeah, the
[00:00:38] telegraph is reporting tonight that Andy Burnham is
[00:00:41] of planning a £4 billion pound tax rate to
[00:00:43] of of fund a
[00:00:47] of of £20 billion pound
[00:00:47] of of a handout for the lowest of earners. Meanwhile, at the Times claims that more than half of labor MPs have a
[00:00:51] greater number of
[00:00:52] of disability benefit claimants in their
[00:00:55] of constituency than the size
[00:00:56] of their
[00:00:57] of electoral majority, so no wonder so many
[00:00:58] of them don't want to see... welfare
[00:01:01] in reform, the sun is str has a striking headline
[00:01:04] of calling lucy let be escape goat, the paper has revealed in its
[00:01:08] of of investigation that a whistleblower claims
[00:01:10] of there's no evidence she killed babies. Andy Burnham is to
[00:01:14] set up special rape courts to deal with sexual offenses across the UK,
[00:01:17] it'll cost the government 23 million pounds, and
[00:01:21] a site for saw eyes, the staggering amount that migrant
[00:01:24] a households claiming benefits and it's in the
[00:01:27] billions.
[00:01:31] of
[00:01:39] Joining me this evening to sort it out, we've got businessman and activist Adam Brooks, political
[00:01:43] commentator, Alex Grant and former labour minister Bill Ramel, and
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[00:02:01] Can of of you guess why?
[00:02:02] of I'll reveal why later, but first let's get your news with Sofia
[00:02:11] of of Wensler. Good evening, your headlines from
[00:02:15] in the GB News room. Labor is considering
[00:02:17] of raising of capital gains tax to find a £14 billion pound handout
[00:02:21] of for the lowest
[00:02:22] of earners, according to the
[00:02:24] of telegraph. of The of prime minister and chancellor are reported to be
[00:02:27] of reviewing proposals
[00:02:28] in to raise CGT. to as high as
[00:02:31] in 45% in order to increase the income tax
[00:02:36] of of personal allowance. It would
[00:02:36] of allow Andy Burnham to follow through on his pledge of overseing a cost of
[00:02:40] in living of government
[00:02:41] in in the face of surging inflation caused by the war in
[00:02:44] Iran. Specialist courts to deal with
[00:02:47] a rape and sexual offenses will be rolled out across England and
[00:02:51] Wales, Andy Burnham has announced. Officials
[00:02:54] of say every crown court will have at least one courtroom dedicated
[00:02:58] to hearing such cases. set
[00:03:00] of up in the next two years, the pledge is one
[00:03:03] in a series of
[00:03:03] of announcements aimed at tackling violence against women and
[00:03:07] of girls, which labour promised in its 2024 manifesto to have within a
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[00:03:59] Mr. refused to step down despite a catastrophic
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[00:04:35] good evening right, let's go through your front pages to see what we're dealing with tomorrow, we can
[00:04:39] start with the independent which has a the
[00:04:41] in headline of climate 100, the 100
[00:04:46] of of people who've been sorting out this climate thing, we'll see how that's gone uh, the mirror
[00:04:49] of has of - of ed, i feel so alone, ed sheer and not being happy about what's been happening, the
[00:04:53] express goes with stop your tax raid nations high
[00:04:57] streets, the telegraph has the headline
[00:05:03] of
[00:05:04] to
[00:05:06] of help the poorest, the Times for tomorrow has half labor MPs at risk of pip cuts backlash, we'll get into that
[00:05:10] one later, it's
[00:05:11] of fascinating the... has eyeback team Harry
[00:05:15] and Wills and the guardian goes with European Spy
[00:05:19] chiefs brace for Russia to test NATO pact, the daily
[00:05:22] mail has Kemy saying, "I'll ditch tourist tax to
[00:05:26] boost Britain and the sun, Lucy, Letby,
[00:05:30] Scapegoat, question mark, so we will definitely be getting into that one later
[00:05:34] as well, but let's get the thoughts of my panel, businessman and activist Adam Brooks,
[00:05:37] political commentator Alice Grant, and former labor minister Bill
[00:05:41] Rammel, join me. evening
[00:05:43] to go through some these stories, let's go to the telegraph first of all because you got to talk money, everyone's going to be
[00:05:47] talking about tax, sadly it's the topic isn't it, so labor
[00:05:50] is £14 billion pound tax raid to help the poorest, bill, this does
[00:05:54] seem like the meetings are being held to work out how to tax
[00:05:58] more people, more tax, more the time, well look we're in the run up to a budget
[00:06:02] and this this is based a submission that's gone in
[00:06:06] from an independent person uh of of a change
[00:06:10] that you could make to capital gains tax, i happen to think there is merit in
[00:06:13] it, because we tax uh people in work
[00:06:17] more than we tax people who live off their assets, and you
[00:06:21] know there is case for equalizing capital gains tax with income
[00:06:25] tax, it's what actually Nigel Lawson did in 1988 in
[00:06:28] Margaret thatcher's uh government, it would only affect
[00:06:32] 0.4% of people, but what's interesting about this
[00:06:35] proposal is that linked with it uh, yes you would equalize
[00:06:39] capital gains tax with income tax which would affect.
[00:06:42] 0.4% the richest people
[00:06:44] in the country, but you then raise the tax threshholds
[00:06:48] for um the vast majority of
[00:06:51] people uh up to about 15,000 pounds a year, so I think it's got some
[00:06:55] merit. the the argument, your first approximation is you
[00:06:59] want to level these ways of earning money, the tax you pay on the way you earn money you level up, but one
[00:07:03] thing about um capital gains tax is would it not disincentive people
[00:07:07] investing, when you've got an economy that you say you need to grow, you need people
[00:07:11] to have that money around to... invested in things? well, it would have to be done
[00:07:15] carefully. uh, as I understand it, the proposal is that it will be phased in over
[00:07:19] number of years uh, to give people time uh to
[00:07:22] adjust, but look, you know, it's it's not government policy, it may or may
[00:07:26] not come to pass, but look, we're a run up to a budget, and there are all sorts of
[00:07:30] submissions and all sorts of kite flying that always takes place in advance the
[00:07:34] budget. yeah, all these kites all seem to be moving in the same direction, not
[00:07:38] a lot of kitees about cutting spending, just different ways of being taxed from different
[00:07:42] angles. or cutting taxes and I remember how every single bank
[00:07:46] of England professional was on the news screaming about
[00:07:48] you know
[00:07:49] the the guilt yields when trust came out with her budget and the gil
[00:07:52] yields right now actually a worst position and no one's saying anything so what I'm
[00:07:56] wondering is why on earth there was such an upraw when someone came along with
[00:07:59] very different market approach and which I think was honestly quite
[00:08:03] valid in its principles and I think could definitely we need more of that kind of
[00:08:07] growth um agenda and and now we're not seeing the
[00:08:11] same reaction. even though things are categorically worse. what about
[00:08:14] to bill's point then? this this could fix and it's just suggestion at the stage,
[00:08:18] but that issue of fiscal drag, that old sneaky way of taxing is more. if
[00:08:22] you actually do move those boundaries that would be a step in the right direction, wouldn't it?
[00:08:26] um, no, disagree. i'm i think the profiscal
[00:08:30] drag? no, but um, in terms of um
[00:08:33] taxes, i think that the real issue here is just there's no
[00:08:37] incentive anymore to work hard, because you're just going to be taxed basically the same
[00:08:41] rate. there's no incentive to get up. work and that is what's really slowing down our
[00:08:45] economy and economic growth, would one the reasons you'd actually
[00:08:48] enjoy promotion at work would be if those boundaries moved up
[00:08:52] there's no point getting a pay rise buse
[00:08:53] it will nudge you straight into those higher band because they've stayed where they are for so long and
[00:08:57] inflation is doing the the nasty work the government for them whereas if you can try and
[00:09:01] move those boundaries up then you could get a pay rise and stay at the same same rate
[00:09:05] yeah i have to look at the policy in more detail okay you pay
[00:09:09] people this is must be what you deal with every single time you open up
[00:09:12] excel, you have
[00:09:13] to have look at who's getting paid what, you at the moment things
[00:09:17] are disincentized from employing people and paying them more, the first two labor
[00:09:21] budgets were diabolical and so hurtful for
[00:09:25] small businesses, especially in hospitality, so we're paying more tax
[00:09:29] than we've ever paid, um, our industry is its
[00:09:32] knees, um, and now they want to,
[00:09:35] you know, anyone that's da put some money away, wants to buy some assets,
[00:09:39] with money they've already paid tax on, have... "now
[00:09:43] you know, if they buy an asset and it goes down, they not get anything back off
[00:09:47] the government, are they? but if it goes up, suddenly they're going to get hit with
[00:09:50] load of tax. i think uh, this government needs to look at maybe the
[00:09:54] laugher curve and realize that lot these policies that they're bringing in
[00:09:58] could actually hurt tax receipts in this country, and people have had
[00:10:02] enough now of paying such higher taxes and what you're going to see if you
[00:10:06] keep bringing things like this in is clever accounting uh
[00:10:09] accountants finding ways around it, they're going to..." start moving money
[00:10:13] around that actually again generates less tax
[00:10:17] income for this government and then who picks up the tab? it's going to be the
[00:10:21] average worker again that's going to have to pick up the with higher taxes.
[00:10:25] down the under this proposal, and it's not government policy, but under this proposal, the
[00:10:29] average worker would benefit significantly, but I tell you what, we're talking about the
[00:10:33] press, the most interesting story I've read in the press today was in the
[00:10:36] Sunday Times and it talked about, and I hadn't spotted
[00:10:40] this, uh, and there's all this talk about how much fiscal headroom has the
[00:10:44] chancellor got within the fiscal rules, and the Office for
[00:10:48] National Statistics came out last week and said it had
[00:10:51] miscalculated productivity of British workers '
[00:10:55] for years and years and in fact whereas the
[00:10:59] productivity increase over number of years was 9%, it's
[00:11:03] now believed to be 16%, that massively impacts on
[00:11:07] the fiscal rules and the judgments the office budget for
[00:11:10] responsibility,
[00:11:11] and I think we've got to get better at these things uh, because it affects all of us, so even if
[00:11:15] they've miscounted it, we are living in the economy that had that productivity, and yet we don't
[00:11:19] feel it, do we? if anything we feel like because there's noise
[00:11:23] being made about the good times. coming, why are we having such a bad time with it's just
[00:11:27] threats of more tax? but but but productivity levels feel
[00:11:31] feeds in to the fiscal rules and the budget headroom that the
[00:11:35] government has got uh and if you're under playing
[00:11:39] that it means that the government is grappling around actually
[00:11:42] looking for either more spending cuts or more tax increases that aren't
[00:11:46] necessarily, but
[00:11:47] the head room is the thing you don't want them
[00:11:48] to use, it's the this the contingency in case of emergency, the headroom is like well if things don't
[00:11:52] quite pan out, so that's not what we want to be aiming.
[00:11:54] might be bigger than we think, but
[00:11:57] still
[00:12:03] that's not saying we've got the we are living in the economy that has benefited from whatever has happened
[00:12:07] in the economy even if they've not counted it right, and and I think I said this
[00:12:11] earlier on on this show, wait, wait until the budget, I think
[00:12:15] there are going to be some moves, buse that means
[00:12:19] I can't ask you follow-up question, you just
[00:12:20] want to wait, no, no, no, I genuinely think and burn in his,
[00:12:25] "he's had some real impact since he's been prime minister, the cost of living measures have been
[00:12:29] at the center of that, I think he will want to deliver on some
[00:12:32] further moves to ameliorate the cost of living pressures for
[00:12:36] people within the budget, which is only what four or five weeks, what
[00:12:40] economy has ever, grown because of higher
[00:12:43] taxes, we need to stimulate this economy, take
[00:12:47] risks, this trust had a go, but the optics of certain
[00:12:51] things totally undermined her budget, if some of those..."
[00:12:55] policies had been enacted and we'd cut certain rates, we would be
[00:12:58] seeing a more energized economy, because
[00:13:01] when when when you're paying less tax, you've got more money to suddenly
[00:13:05] invest back into the economy, at the moment everyone's just thinking, as I
[00:13:09] said earlier in the show, I'm getting offered pub leaces, I'm getting offered businesses all
[00:13:13] the time, maybe five years ago um I might have thought you know what, I ever
[00:13:17] go at that, but at the moment I'm thinking no, I'm not putting my house at
[00:13:21] risk because this government will come in and tax me more or they're going to... take
[00:13:25] more the pie and that is how so many in the business
[00:13:29] world are thinking right now, from small business owners like me to some the
[00:13:32] giants, they're looking and they're on the sideline with money and thinking
[00:13:36] i can't dive in now because this government could take it, and
[00:13:40] that is dangerous, dangerous path that we're we're we're going down, and if it
[00:13:44] continues, if he doesn't cut any rates um and any taxes or give
[00:13:47] us something to work within the next budget, i would say this economy is going
[00:13:51] to really go down hill, yeah just for move to another story just to that, that key point,
[00:13:55] can you tax yourself into
[00:13:57] growth? not, not, not its
[00:14:01] own, but we've heard this mantra from the right of british politics
[00:14:04] for years and years and years that all you need to do is cut taxes
[00:14:08] and you will fuel economic growth and it's not born out by the history
[00:14:12] books. no, that's not necessarily the opposite the the claim though, is it? so
[00:14:16] taxing won't help, cutting tax in the wrong
[00:14:19] areas also m not help. you've just identified another area that wouldn't help, whereas
[00:14:23] definitely taxing more people... won't be helping growth, but it it it depends
[00:14:27] how, but
[00:14:31] but but you look across the public sector and there are
[00:14:34] massive demands for additional spending, whether it's roads, whether it's the
[00:14:38] NHS, whether it's schools, those in the real
[00:14:41] world those demands have to be addressed, now
[00:14:45] part the way you address that, I believe is through welfare reform uh
[00:14:49] targeted in the right way, but you are going to need some some
[00:14:53] tax rises uh 'I I've argued before that I think the big
[00:14:57] mistake this government made when it came to power, the touries in their last two budgets
[00:15:01] delivered a f in the pound cut to corporation tax
[00:15:05] that was unfunded and unsustainable uh and I think that's the
[00:15:09] first target that the government should seek to reverse. Yeah, do you think it might, I know it
[00:15:12] feels like we always keep end up picking on you, but hopefully this come across as
[00:15:16] that, but there are different times when you can have that sentence, you can solve this by
[00:15:20] tax risers and when you've got maybe a low tax economy, more taxers might make
[00:15:24] sense, but when you are where we are now, it's a big tax burden
[00:15:28] that everyone's suffering, so more tax rises might bring a bad
[00:15:32] effect, everyone talks, but you know exactly what we're talking,
[00:15:35] and look, arguing that the solution for the
[00:15:39] government is big tax rises, no, I'm not arguing that, because I think we are
[00:15:43] a historic high in terms of tax as a percentage of
[00:15:46] GDP, um, but I mean, I'm not
[00:15:50] privy to the exact state the public finances, I think there
[00:15:54] may need to be some adjustments at the margins, and
[00:15:57] I, I,
[00:15:58] the reason I'm attracted to this proposal is that it would be really
[00:16:02] redistributive and it would cut taxes for the vast majority of
[00:16:06] people, tax cut. at least someone's actually said tax guy out loud can we bring
[00:16:10] the times in as well because this is kind of uh linked isn't it this story about half of
[00:16:14] labor MPs at risk of pip cuts backlash the maths of this
[00:16:17] is amazing disability claimts outnumber majorities in 58%
[00:16:21] the party seats as ministers fear rebellion mean alex it makes
[00:16:25] you think if these stats are correct how do you see anyone walk down the street no
[00:16:29] that's exactly right and there was that revealing very revealing channel 4
[00:16:33] documentary where it
[00:16:34] was clear that people on benefits are sometimes are they just are earning more than if they
[00:16:38] were a job, so what again is the incentive to start working? mean,
[00:16:42] there really isn't any, and and i think you know,
[00:16:46] obviously i have so much compassion for people who have mental health problems
[00:16:49] that mean they are unable to work or you know or are in
[00:16:53] you know deep sort of anxiety or disbility, but working
[00:16:57] is so crucial i think to having a good mental health and being
[00:17:00] able to integrate back into society, so why don't we see push for that?
[00:17:04] because you know people who are suffering and on
[00:17:08] this vicious cycle of welfare are never going escape this if they're not given the
[00:17:12] actual proper support that they needed any sympathy for this situation adam because normally you're not a
[00:17:16] sympathetic got these labor mps painted into a corner what people have got to
[00:17:20] realize is that if people are relying on
[00:17:24] benefits whether they're due them or not uh they're
[00:17:28] more likely to vote that party back in if they're getting more money
[00:17:32] from that party so for me it looks like labor are buying votes here
[00:17:36] mean the unbeliev rise in disability benefits and other
[00:17:40] benefits since labor came to power is just impossible. there's no
[00:17:43] way we've got that many disabled in this this country. mean, some the
[00:17:47] criteria is laughable uh and it's quite depressing when you
[00:17:51] think about it because um it's just mad to think that people can get money for
[00:17:55] ADHD um and not work. i've got a sun
[00:17:59] with quite bad ADHD uh the thought of him not working
[00:18:03] is not going to happen and the thought of him claiming benefits for it is not going to happen. he
[00:18:07] starts to... new job apprenticeship on Monday as an electrician
[00:18:10] apprentice, he wants to go out and earn his money, he wants to be
[00:18:13] proud, um, and certainly his ADHD has not stopped him
[00:18:17] doing that, unfortunately we have labour government and we have a
[00:18:20] system where you can be a perpetual victim
[00:18:24] and earn a nice living off it. Blair and Brown open the flood gates
[00:18:28] to benefit Britain 1.0, now Starmer and
[00:18:32] uh Burnham, it's benefit Britain 2.0. I want the genuine
[00:18:36] cases earn more. "the genuinely disabled should earn more
[00:18:40] money, but unfortunately we now have people that should be the legal reasons,
[00:18:43] I'm sure labor would say they're not technically buying votes for more on
[00:18:46] that, but it's good knock about Adam, but
[00:18:50] if we want serious conversation, the rise in personal independence
[00:18:54] payments actually dates back to COVID, started under the last
[00:18:58] toury government and yes it's gone uh further under this
[00:19:01] government and and there is there is a real problem there that
[00:19:05] we need to tackle and we need to tackle it" way somewhere else within the
[00:19:09] papers tomorrow there's a really shocking
[00:19:13] report about over diagnosis of ADHD uh and
[00:19:16] because people are not able to get without waiting ages
[00:19:20] and ages a diagnosis on the NHS they're going to private providers
[00:19:24] and there's some evidence from doctors
[00:19:27] that uh nine out of 10
[00:19:31] applications through private providers have come back with with a positive
[00:19:35] diagnosis other european countries? got the problem that we've got, so it's
[00:19:39] not a society thing, is it? it's a British problem, and it's
[00:19:43] a British problem that is created by our
[00:19:46] government. well, we'll see how that happens. all right,
[00:19:49] more on the stories coming up, we've got look, well
[00:19:52] on the way we'll take a look into more on the front page the telegraph on the way for us. this is
[00:19:56] Alex Armstrong, tonight, late edition with Stephen
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[00:23:12] welcome back to Alex Armstrong, tonight late edition with Stephen Allen
[00:23:15] tonight, and I'm here with my panel, we've got businessman and activist Adam
[00:23:19] Brooks, political... commentator, Alice Grant, and former labour minister Bill
[00:23:23] Rammel, sorting out all the stuff on the front pages. So back to the front page the Telegraph, and
[00:23:27] this one we're going to get nurdy with numbers, I'm afraid, we know how I like that. Um, households with
[00:23:30] migrants claim record 12 billion pounds in universal
[00:23:34] credit. There's ways of spliting this data is ways of analyzing it
[00:23:38] uh, but Adam, what you take
[00:23:39] on it? Well, I, I've just found a tweet that I did um from
[00:23:43] July in 2025 with this exact figure uh 12
[00:23:47] billion a year universal credit. If I... go to
[00:23:50] america, sell up my house, lose everything, maybe try and open a
[00:23:54] business, it fouled, would I be able to stay there and
[00:23:57] claim their benefits? no, I wouldn't. why are we allowing foreigners to
[00:24:01] claim benefits in this country? um, I think it's 1.3
[00:24:05] million foreigners are claiming universal credit in this
[00:24:08] country, um, over two million are
[00:24:12] claiming a benefit of some kind. If we want to save
[00:24:16] billions and billions of money in this country, stop that.
[00:24:20] 'make it for British people only, that is what really the
[00:24:24] benefit system system should be for, and I don't understand why more
[00:24:27] people aren't speaking about this, because you can come over here, get social
[00:24:31] housing, we're in Paddington right now, 70% of social
[00:24:35] housing has foreign born in in Paddington,
[00:24:38] 70%, across London, it's over 50% of social
[00:24:42] housing, yeah, I can't afford to live in, but um, you don't
[00:24:46] even have to frame
[00:24:46] it that way, do you, you could just have it as a contributor system, whereas - if you've not'
[00:24:58] I mean that's just common sense and instead what is the current policy if you have
[00:25:02] indefinite leave to remain which means that you can be refugee
[00:25:05] or you any basically immigration status is
[00:25:09] welcome to to be a parasite really on our on our
[00:25:13] welfare funds part the problem we've got such a messy system buse in when
[00:25:17] you talk about this you imagine people on really hard times who can't get by without benefits
[00:25:21] get benefits, people have jobs, have jobs, but it's not is it, the blurred
[00:25:25] edge of people in work still need to have benefits, have we ended up in that situation,
[00:25:29] and while you've got that, it's hard to pick who gets in who shouldn't. no, exactly, I
[00:25:33] think what we really need is lot of legal reform, especially in terms the status
[00:25:37] these foreign nationals, because as you said, what we want is an immigration system that
[00:25:41] incentivizes people to come here who are willing to contribute to our
[00:25:44] economy and not be a burden on it, and instead we know we've got a massive
[00:25:48] crisis on our hands, with practically unchecked immigration, people not
[00:25:52] being deported because their legal rights, um, and just a
[00:25:56] complete mess the system, and of course it's droning our resources and who's
[00:26:00] getting taxed in the end, it's going to be us, the... working british people, it's so
[00:26:04] deeply unfair, so bill, what have we said that's wrong?
[00:26:08] uh, these figures, the increase is
[00:26:12] a direct result the so-called boris wave, where net
[00:26:15] migration went up to million people a
[00:26:19] year, which was completely unsustainable and
[00:26:22] unaffordable, um, and that that has driven these figures and these are not
[00:26:26] asylum seekers, they're people, the big rise within
[00:26:30] this are people who've gained indefinite. leave to remain and
[00:26:34] for me that means the government has to stick to its guns
[00:26:38] on restricting uh the time scales within which you can
[00:26:41] get indefinite leave to remain moving forward, but
[00:26:45] there is also an irony here for those who've campaigned
[00:26:49] for Brexit, we've moved from a system where we had
[00:26:53] predominantly um very
[00:26:55] hard-working east Europeans who were coming in who were
[00:26:59] contributing significantly uh to this... country and
[00:27:03] significantly to our taxes to a system now outside the
[00:27:06] European Union where we've had lot more immigration from
[00:27:10] other parts the world um which don't contribute
[00:27:14] lot of your labeled Brexit as racist have been proven
[00:27:18] wrong then haven't you that Brexit really was the opposite of racism
[00:27:22] uh in that case down is that why you voted for it is that why you
[00:27:26] wanted it so you wanted these numbers to go up no i voted for Brexit because I
[00:27:30] wanted to be sovereign country and not have and authoritan
[00:27:33] authoritarian organization having their laws, trump our laws in our
[00:27:37] own part, it wasn't an authoritarian uh body, we
[00:27:40] had it lost out
[00:27:43] massively, it started as a trade block and then it it became an organization that
[00:27:47] wanted their laws to superceed our own in our own
[00:27:51] parliament and that is what happ and is that is that why British people now regret
[00:27:55] Brexit by two to one, political class didn't allow Brexit to happen,
[00:27:59] you've done everything, you've done everything to stop it.
[00:28:02] Brexit, fancy, it was
[00:28:04] a fancy, I would much rather have our politicians make
[00:28:08] terrible decisions as they are doing, then have unelected,
[00:28:12] unaccountable bureaucrats make terrible decisions who there is no way
[00:28:16] to to put them to account,
[00:28:17] at least we can have vote and we can say and we can decide
[00:28:21] our own policy, at least we can change our
[00:28:24] laws, at least we can decide, it wasn't unelected
[00:28:28] uh officials,
[00:28:29] I don't remember el
[00:28:32] don't remember. council of ministers and as a minister I attended the council of
[00:28:36] ministers and one the problems over the years was that
[00:28:39] successive governments agreed decisions within the council of
[00:28:43] ministers and then came back and said nothing to do with us cove and that
[00:28:47] was dishonest underm 27 states quote
[00:28:51] unquote agreeing on set legislation how on earth is
[00:28:55] that a tool representative the taxpayers of that nation I mean the
[00:28:59] further you get away from from the national democratic
[00:29:03] mandate which puts politicians where they are by
[00:29:06] vote, of course the further away you get from being able to hold these
[00:29:10] people accountable and all the legislation being passed
[00:29:13] to the European parliament of which there is a ton, of
[00:29:16] course, what what say do we have? i'm so glad we left,
[00:29:20] even if they're making a terrible, i'm
[00:29:22] glad
[00:29:26] immigration, we turned our back on our biggest trading
[00:29:30] partners, we've put up huge obstacles in the way of trade
[00:29:34] that has affected businesses, affected jobs and affected prosperity in this
[00:29:38] country, we don't want to fully rehash 26, even
[00:29:41] though I'd love to go back, but the point
[00:29:44] is this is why it shouldn't be retrospective debate about Brexit or not Brexit, the
[00:29:48] issue is the way in which Brexit was done has brought with it flaws that no one thought
[00:29:52] this, you might have
[00:29:53] been able to say oh there'll be definitely some problems, no one would have thought this would
[00:29:57] have happened, no yeah no one would have pr to Boris Wave, no one would have thought oh we'll definitely end up
[00:30:01] with 12 billion pounds. well, well, I, I think the last tory government
[00:30:04] is mass, particularly Boris Johnson, who was the arch
[00:30:08] proponent of Brexit, and the arch propoment of saying, you vote for
[00:30:12] Brexit and we're going to tackle immigration, and he then allowed under his
[00:30:16] government net migration to rise to million, that's why people
[00:30:19] have had enough the uni party, we've had enough of uh, read
[00:30:23] the polls, Adam, they've had enough of your party, trust me, if there
[00:30:27] was an election tomorrow, you'd see people come out and vote on the right bill, you're
[00:30:31] totally underestimated.
[00:30:34] underestimating the anger against the uni party, the
[00:30:38] conservatives and labor have ruined this country over the last 15,
[00:30:42] 20 years and people will not forgive that, if it was a choice
[00:30:45] tomorrow between reform and labor, you're going to have the biggest
[00:30:49] shock of your life bill, because do not trust the
[00:30:51] pulls,
[00:30:54] 2016, every political charlotan have ever known, says don't trust the
[00:30:58] polls, let's all stay, let's all stay friends, before we run out time, the question i do want to put...
[00:31:02] is that the thing that mentioned earlier on about changing things to being a contribution-based
[00:31:06] system, that would also get rid of what people talk about being the incentive,
[00:31:10] the the temptation to try and make a dangerous crossing, one of those you've got to get rid the pull
[00:31:14] factors. having a system that's not based on whether you've contributed into it or not is
[00:31:18] one the pool factors that causes issues with the legal crossings, well the the
[00:31:22] benefit system is not um more
[00:31:25] generous here than
[00:31:27] it is in other countries and you know France France per
[00:31:30] head of population has got about 50% more asylum seekers than we've got in
[00:31:34] this country do they get hotels bill you they get other form they
[00:31:38] get other forms of accommodation we our whole package as a whole is
[00:31:42] far more generous than the rest of Europe. as a whole, when you put all
[00:31:46] the freebyes in, yes it is, and tell you what the biggest kicker is, and what they
[00:31:50] tell our reporters on every beach that go down, when they go
[00:31:54] down there, we will not get depolted because you're depolting
[00:31:57] 4%, and the tour is only depulted 4% the crossing,
[00:32:01] so the odds there is they look around and think only four out of 100
[00:32:05] of this boat is going ever get deported, let's take our
[00:32:08] chance, and that is why they are leaving Sweden, some them have got
[00:32:12] asylum claims already in Sweden and other... places, but they're coming
[00:32:16] here for more, and because they know there's more chance, they're going to
[00:32:20] stay here, right? they come, they come, they're attracted to come
[00:32:24] here because the English language, because
[00:32:27] because because historically, because historically people have been
[00:32:31] able to work within the black economy, the reality, adam, and you're not facing
[00:32:34] up it is there has been a huge problem with the boat crossings, they are
[00:32:38] now heading for six-year low this year, we need to get them down
[00:32:42] further, but genuine progress is being made. 'and you know, I heard you
[00:32:45] earlier, actually, and I was astonished you were claiming this,
[00:32:49] it's down to the French, it's down to the deal we've done with the French, you replay what I
[00:32:53] said, Bill, I said for the first six months of this year, the weather
[00:32:57] conditions for crossings were some the worst that we've seen in many
[00:33:01] years, so that accounts for some the drop, and for once, in the hottest summer
[00:33:05] we've had since 1976, hold on, yeah, the the the channel, in the first six
[00:33:09] months of this year, the channel was very rough and it was very windy, now also
[00:33:13] we have independent journalists'. "and channels like this
[00:33:16] going over to France and highlighting the French
[00:33:20] authorities, proving they're lying when they're trying to stop the boats, so
[00:33:23] now you are seeing more action over the last two or three months from the French because
[00:33:27] they know they've taken us for mugs, so that and the weather will
[00:33:31] account for lot the drop, if you look
[00:33:34] at this government, it's this government and this home secretary putting real pressure on
[00:33:38] the French to do more, and it's beginning to work, one in one
[00:33:42] out policy, real pressure."
[00:33:46] so anyway,
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[00:38:15] the late show live at midnight. GB newsers Ben Leo. Ben. What have you got for
[00:38:19] us tonight? Hello Steve, hope you're well uh tonight we're
[00:38:23] gearing up for the big UN General Assembly meeting next week. President Trump will be there.
[00:38:27] of course, probably taking a massive flameflower to the
[00:38:31] globalists in attendance, Andy Burnham is due to be there as well, we understand he's having
[00:38:35] a 30-minute meeting with President Trump uh, we're going to be talking about what the top
[00:38:39] the priority list will be for both people, I suspect Trump will be talking
[00:38:42] about Northia oil uh, maybe immigration as well, Andy
[00:38:46] Burnham, I don't, what's the top of his priority list do you think uh, there's been a leak
[00:38:50] today to uh the Times newspaper, Katie Balls who's the Washington Washington
[00:38:54] editor uh the Times, she'll be with me tonight. speaking about
[00:38:58] this exclusive, but one US diplomat has told the paper that President Trump is
[00:39:02] planning a speech at the UN to the effect of, I don't think
[00:39:05] anyone is pulling their way to the UN. the war would be over if people
[00:39:09] helped me out and listen to me uh and Trump's speech uh, he
[00:39:13] will say the the speeches at the UN from other people are going to be
[00:39:16] boring uh, the real news apparently is made during his sideline chats that we
[00:39:20] won't get to see with the affor mentioned Andy Burnham um so that'll be
[00:39:24] interesting, Bev Turner is flying on Air Force One for GB News tomorrow. heading to New York so
[00:39:28] hopefully she gets the inside scoop
[00:39:30] a certain couple of things and elsewhere um Jim Ratcliff uh
[00:39:34] I'm sure you've seen this the Manchester United boss and the inios
[00:39:37] boss he's been uh basically saying that the UK is pretty
[00:39:41] much unsalavageable uh off the back of Bridget Philipson's comments we have
[00:39:45] spoken to a British Expat who runs a pub in Florida and we'll
[00:39:49] be asking him whether he'll ever go back to the UK and what needs to
[00:39:53] be changed before he would consider it what lessons can we learn from
[00:39:56] America with with regards to finding Armojo again, Steve,
[00:40:00] yeah, I
[00:40:00] mean it could be also front page the telegraph Trump gets a mentioned there, Trump may blow up
[00:40:04] entire nation of Iran, so I hope you're paying attention, you might have some
[00:40:08] really big breaking news for us later, excited, actually yeah, so
[00:40:12] this was all kicking off, as you mentioned, this was kicking off last night, so RF fairford
[00:40:16] of course, which is the US air force base shed with the UK, there was a a
[00:40:20] lancer bomber took off and immediately after taking off the afterburn as we're on
[00:40:23] suggesting they were going rushing somewhere very quickly, Benjamin.
[00:40:27] Yahoo! then pulled out of a US trip and uh yeah, anyway, I'll see
[00:40:31] you in the late show live just after midnight. fantastic, GB News Legend, Ben leo on the
[00:40:35] way
[00:40:35] at midnight. um, back with my panel then, Alex, Alex arms from tonight late
[00:40:39] edition, um, let's deal
[00:40:40] with this, the BBC has been accused of classic overkill
[00:40:44] after cutting a series of sketches dealing with racism and racial stereotypes from the
[00:40:48] bafter winning that match Mitchell and web look. all
[00:40:52] four series the show, starring David Mitchell and Robert Webb, were added to i
[00:40:56] player to mark its 20th. However, 11 sketches have been
[00:40:59] removed from the episodes, including one involving racist war
[00:41:03] reenactment, a burker wearing makeover
[00:41:05] show, and a tribe living a garden
[00:41:09] center. Dom Jolly, the comedian behind Trigger Happy TV, described the
[00:41:13] removals as classic BBC overerskill overkill, and um,
[00:41:17] saying that cutting sketches that saterize racism amounted to
[00:41:21] hysterical censorship. Alice, I mean, try and pretend that
[00:41:25] you're surprised, but like I was just remembering like the days of like little Britain and
[00:41:28] when stuff on TV was actually really funny and you know if
[00:41:32] it's
[00:41:33] you know a bit provocative that's the point of humor, you're supposed to be slightly
[00:41:36] offended, I like to be slightly offended in like a funny
[00:41:39] way, you know? "I think you have to have a thick skin and
[00:41:43] especially when you're talking about what's obviously fast, fast call
[00:41:47] sketches, design to make you laugh, and from what they looked like, I mean I
[00:41:51] didn't really see much, but I just saw something that looked like it was obviously
[00:41:54] pretend and obviously supposed to be funny, the the issue in the what's really a
[00:41:58] stap is creative industry that's being completely suffocated
[00:42:02] and um real a real attack on
[00:42:06] creative expression and freedom to express you know what..."
[00:42:10] you want to do
[00:42:10] in in pop culture and it makes for very bland society and i
[00:42:14] personally don't watch tv except for gb news
[00:42:18] so that's probably why so i don't look i
[00:42:21] don't know how recently you've rewatched any these things it's almost like there is difference
[00:42:25] between um little britain where you watch some the things you think all right well guess that's what you
[00:42:29] could joke about then but the the joke was just some
[00:42:33] silly joke whereas with some these sketches the thing they're
[00:42:37] trying satirize is racism so now you can't even mention
[00:42:44] and find it really funny that it's dom jolly who is a
[00:42:48] really woke anti-brexit sort of campaign over the
[00:42:52] years and he's saying this that's what what surprised me most
[00:42:56] out of this but look
[00:42:57] the world's going mad
[00:42:58] it really is just allow things to be out it there isn't
[00:43:01] as violent long or as it's really bad
[00:43:04] taste allow it and let people make their own minds out if they don't want to watch it they
[00:43:08] turn it over exactly. worse out there to be honest, like I
[00:43:12] mean in terms of violence and things that are just,
[00:43:15] you know, even for children, things
[00:43:17] that are pushing very dodgy and dubious, sinister agendas, I
[00:43:21] think there's a lot worse on TV to be honest, I think thosical
[00:43:24] sketches, why they being attacked, it's that's part the
[00:43:28] agenda, it's a serious question, why are they being attacked, why, why focus
[00:43:32] on removing these, what's the issue of leaving that on the eye player, look, I'm a fan
[00:43:36] the BBC, but I think the BBC is getting too many these judgments wrong, and I think...
[00:43:40] "this is over the top, it's it's the wrong judgment, you go
[00:43:43] through back through the history of television, things
[00:43:46] like old enough to remember this, others won't, till death us do
[00:43:50] part with Alf Garnet, Alf Garnet who was racist
[00:43:54] was the butt the joke, basil faulty in faulty
[00:43:58] towers you know with his anti-german rants, the joke
[00:44:02] was on him, and this is satire and you have to
[00:44:05] allow satire, and I'm taking back to um a former life
[00:44:09] I was..." Ricky Javez's boss and no I'm not David Brent um
[00:44:13] but Ricky always said to me good
[00:44:16] comedy is giving your conscience a day off
[00:44:18] and I think we need to remember that a yeah situation
[00:44:21] we're though now where look the complaint the again
[00:44:23] BBC the complaint
[00:44:24] against for removing these sketches will just be us sitting here going oh why they doing
[00:44:28] that but if they've left them on the complaint against the BBC for leaving
[00:44:32] them on would be some sort of orchestrated online pile on so the power
[00:44:35] shifted now Alice we're
[00:44:38] in we're we're trapped into a corner. um, I don't think so,
[00:44:41] I think that
[00:44:42] you know the the big media giants and frankly the
[00:44:45] BBC is the corporation that has run media in this country
[00:44:49] for have a long, are the ones that kind of set the tone in the scene,
[00:44:53] so what they are, their influence on public opinion and public
[00:44:57] perception of what's exceptful and what's not is, is very informative,
[00:45:01] so I grew up watching little Britain so I was always prepared that
[00:45:05] comedy was going to be sometimes a little bit naughty, a little bit provocative
[00:45:09] and that was fine. and even before then
[00:45:11] with faulty towers and wanty Python like you're used to you know seeing people being
[00:45:15] made fun of and sometimes in harsh ways and it's
[00:45:18] funny and it's supposed to be funny and they set the tone and they
[00:45:22] should be defending freedom of speech here though do you think this is
[00:45:26] pendulum swinging or just move in one direction move in one direction i
[00:45:30] think the BBC marks its own homework it isn't
[00:45:34] accountable much the time to offcom like many other channels and let's
[00:45:38] remember who works at the BBC they're nearly all leftes,
[00:45:41] woke leftis and that explains a lot of it uh, a BBC
[00:45:45] spokeswoman said that Mitchell and Web look has been made available on the BBC
[00:45:49] player, a 20-year-old sketch show in consultation with the program makers,
[00:45:52] we've included that ones that still work today uh and not the
[00:45:56] ones that don't - on the way for us next, the sun has a striking
[00:46:00] headline, more of that on the way - this is Alex Armstrong tonight,
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[00:49:17] welcome back to Alex Armstrong tonight, late edition, but with Stephen Allen, he's not just aged
[00:49:20] badly uh, I'm joined by panel, we've got businessman and activist Adam Brooks,
[00:49:24] political commentator, Alex Grant, and former labour minister Bill Ramel. We need to
[00:49:28] go to the sun, front page of that. Lucy letbe scape goat, question
[00:49:32] mark, I almost
[00:49:33] I keep struggling with working out where I stand on this, but looking at the direction of
[00:49:37] movement, the more we hearing becomes more interesting. Adam, what's your thoughts? I can't
[00:49:41] make decision, because one, I wasn't in the court when she was convicted and I didn't
[00:49:45] see the uh evidence, and too, I haven't seen this evidence by
[00:49:49] top dog that says uh, there is no proof. kill baby
[00:49:53] so I can't really make a judgment on that, I've got to
[00:49:56] believe that the courts made the right judgment uh in the first
[00:50:00] place, and if there is
[00:50:02] so such a question mark over the evidence, I want to see
[00:50:05] investigation into that, I want it presented or want another trial,
[00:50:09] because we can't keep going along, once every three months did she
[00:50:13] or didn't she, babies died, now if you're one the parents
[00:50:17] of those babies, you want to know who killed your child, was it the
[00:50:20] hospital with their... policies or
[00:50:24] or or the lack of care, or was it crazed nurse?
[00:50:27] you want answers, so I think for everyone to sort of do this, they've
[00:50:31] got to stop putting these p these stories up and
[00:50:35] demand retrial or demand inquiry, yeah an, I mean
[00:50:39] it's very easy to play armchair expert
[00:50:41] a lot of topics, but in these kind of stories you probably have to
[00:50:45] have a flipping phd
[00:50:46] in biology to understand half the things going on, so what's your take on it? well,
[00:50:50] I think if it is true that she is scapegoat then that's a real
[00:50:54] miscarage of justice and she was demonized as this baby killer, everyone was
[00:50:57] horrified. um, i think that if it turns out that it's just hospital
[00:51:01] failings, which might well be true given the state of RNHS and
[00:51:05] widely and sometimes the care that's received there,
[00:51:08] um, it it might be true, but regardless, mean it would be
[00:51:12] really shocking if that if after everything and after the trial
[00:51:16] and all the evidence presented to the jury, it was not the case that she
[00:51:20] killed these these poor children, yeah, so we're... having to put our faith in the
[00:51:23] justice system, but there are loads of stories of it not particularly working,
[00:51:27] it just gets more and more complicated, isn't it, bill? it it it
[00:51:30] does, um, but if if you listen to the
[00:51:34] judge last week who um came out with
[00:51:37] the report the inquiry, whatever the
[00:51:41] cause, there were massive failing, failings within the
[00:51:44] system, the
[00:51:46] led to at least three babies dying who didn't need
[00:51:49] to die uh, and i think that's Absolute scandal,
[00:51:53] I have to say in respect of Lucy Leppi, and she is appealing the
[00:51:57] conviction, I've heard enough
[00:52:01] from number of experts, and although he's a political opponent, David.
[00:52:05] Davis I quite respect and he's done a huge amount of work on this
[00:52:08] and he has argued based on the evidence that he's assembled
[00:52:12] that there are serious doubts about the conviction against that and I i've
[00:52:16] got a gut instinct uh that I think it may have been an
[00:52:19] unsafe conviction but but we need we need to
[00:52:23] get that outcome that that appeal needs to take place and
[00:52:27] then whatever the the massive failings within the
[00:52:31] system have got to be rectified and part of that inquiry that came out.
[00:52:35] uh last week, there was then the story that the chief executive who
[00:52:39] oversaw this disaster um with massive
[00:52:43] massive consequences then went on with the support the trust to get
[00:52:47] jobs elsewhere within the NHS supported and and I
[00:52:51] think he was given nine months salary whilst he wasn't
[00:52:54] working um you know whilst this was under investigation I think there are
[00:52:58] serious serious also just remember from what I just seen
[00:53:01] online she had confessions didn't she in? in the
[00:53:05] initial trial, there was confessions by Lucy Letby, so if that was
[00:53:09] the case, why did she confess to something she didn't do? thank you very much tonight
[00:53:13] panel tonight, that's all we've got time for uh, up next on Lake Show Live, hosted by
[00:53:17] the one and only Ben. Steve, thank you very much,
[00:53:21] uh, the UN general assembly kicks off on Monday, Bev Turner is there on Air Force One,
[00:53:25] President Trump is set to take a flamethrower to the globalist in front of him with a
[00:53:28] barnstorming speech, also Andy Burnham will be there as well, he's been
[00:53:32] congratulating President Trump on the Greenland. deal, it was only few months
[00:53:36] ago, his party, Ankir Starma, were completely slagging it off in public, so
[00:53:40] why the hypocrisy now? all that, and much more after the break, we'll see you
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[00:54:11] towards the north and it's a fairly similar picture as we head our way into the
[00:54:14] overnight period, high pressure meaning mostly dry conditions for much of England
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[00:54:26] we progress through the early hours the morning there'll also be some rain and drizzle
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[00:54:56] places also towards Northwest England. A bit of cloud across
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[00:55:34] to... day is very similar picture towards the north, still often quite cloudy
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