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[00:00:53] in the invasion has he called it. Nigel Farage threatened a
[00:00:56] five-year blockade on
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[00:01:32] of Russia interfered with the Brexit vote with the Prime Minister due to address
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[00:01:39] rejecting closer European Union ties would be
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[00:02:02] if you come here to the islands and you speak to local people, they
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[00:02:14] invitation to the US president Donald Trump to
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[00:02:54] a no idea, not a
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[00:02:59] of the of by the..."
[00:03:01] a and of now Andy Burnham today has resurrected,
[00:03:09] in of a a of assumed that fantasy, that foundationless
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[00:03:14] of a it forward as a truth, of in about 25, five of minutes time the prime minister will address the commons, he's expected to
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[00:03:25] of in to put that forward, a, it's a complete you turn from where he was on his position on the Makerfield by election, but
[00:03:25] of also of to dig up
[00:03:28] a fantasies like the Kremlin
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[00:03:31] of of a prime minister, they're the actions of a conspiracy theorist, of a
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[00:03:57] of in of stories from the GB News room at 3 minutes past three. Andy Burnam will tell MPs it would
[00:03:58] in be a dereliction of'. not to seek new deal with the European
[00:04:03] of Union. me In address to the House of Commons today, Andy Burner will argue it's time to
[00:04:06] face up to the reality that Brexit
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[00:04:13] a He'll call on all parties to support the government's approach and seeking
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[00:04:23] of of help control immigration and a boost growth. Well, meanwhile, Downing Street has
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[00:04:30] evidence
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[00:04:39] of understood Russia's involvement was not successful in interfering
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[00:04:44] of result. in Nigel Farage has promised
[00:04:46] a to introduce five-year ban on migrants being granted
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[00:04:50] of Reform UK was to
[00:04:51] of win the next general election. At a press conference in Kent earlier, he
[00:04:55] announced plans to shut down the asylum system for a full
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[00:05:10] of of in just a continual in series of of false promises or... the absolutely
[00:05:14] extraordinary current government line, well the numbers are
[00:05:18] coming down so that's okay then, it's only 20,000
[00:05:22] this year, so that's okay then, if i said to you decade ago
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[00:07:45] "thank you bet. now Nigel Farals, the leader of reform UK of course has today
[00:07:49] pledge the five year ban on migrants being granted asylum in Britain
[00:07:52] if reform UK wins the next general election. all we're
[00:07:56] asking here is formality. all we're asking here is
[00:08:00] for normal service to be resumed. and
[00:08:04] so yes, we will end the asylum system for
[00:08:08] up to five years and why are we going to do that? because we're..."
[00:08:13] the most terrible mess as a country, we literally have no
[00:08:16] idea who is here, and we
[00:08:19] frankly can't afford to take the
[00:08:23] risk. Mr. Farage also
[00:08:26] reports 90,000 people asylum waiting lists at
[00:08:30] present, and also all foreign criminals whilst also
[00:08:33] threatening to impose visa bans on Pakistan. We will
[00:08:37] deport foreign criminals and those who are here
[00:08:40] illegally. And... about time we started standing up for
[00:08:44] ourselves, it's about time we started put our own
[00:08:48] national priorities first. In the case of Pakistan, that we have
[00:08:52] to bring in visa bans, we'll do so. If
[00:08:56] it means threatening Pakistany nationals assets.
[00:09:00] In London, we will do so. If it means introducing flight
[00:09:04] bands, we will do so.
[00:09:08] Well, it was certainly Nigel Farad's most radical plan yet and
[00:09:12] discuss. I'm delighted to be joined in the studio today in the heart of Westminster by GB News's
[00:09:15] chief political correspondent Katherine Forster. GB News a senior political
[00:09:19] commentator Nigel Nelson and as ever delight to be joined by the founder the
[00:09:23] Sanctuary foundation Chris Kendi. Welcome to you all.
[00:09:27] Katherine, let's start with you. We just want to be normal
[00:09:30] country. Nigel Pharaoh said adding Britain
[00:09:34] cannot be refuge for the world. They will be no Britain
[00:09:38] nations was the line, visa bands,
[00:09:42] travel. bands, tariff threats, trade wars
[00:09:45] and the immediate deportation of 90,000 presently
[00:09:49] languishing on the asylum waiting this, it's
[00:09:52] certainly the most radical plan reform UK has put forward this
[00:09:56] far, yes it is, and they've shifted quite a long way, because it was only, I
[00:09:59] think last summer that um, I went to a press conference where they
[00:10:03] had the massive deportation board like getting a flight, was very
[00:10:07] effectively done, but that was when they
[00:10:11] started to say we... will deport people, but only few months previously
[00:10:15] Nigel Farash had said that it was just impossible that it just
[00:10:19] couldn't be done, so there's been a real, real shift,
[00:10:23] I think, well, many problems. how do
[00:10:25] you do this, how do you pay for it, how do you get people to vote for
[00:10:29] it? but
[00:10:31] you know, there's a risk that in trying
[00:10:34] to, what I think this is, is trying to appeal
[00:10:38] to people tempted by restore who are obviously causing massive
[00:10:42] problems uh for reform because they're getting four, five,
[00:10:45] 6% uh, they are stopping them winning council seats, they
[00:10:49] could potentially stop them winning dozens of seats a general
[00:10:53] election, and in... trying to sort of go towards those
[00:10:56] voters, there's a real danger that they will put off
[00:11:00] lots of more moderate people who might be tempted to go for
[00:11:04] reform, but just think this is just too
[00:11:08] far, and also yes we've got large numbers of people coming across the
[00:11:12] channel illegally, some of those are coming, let's face it to do us harm, we
[00:11:16] have seen it, um, but we're not the only country
[00:11:19] struggling with this, the whole of Europe has
[00:11:23] people breaking into it. um, because there's millions of
[00:11:27] people that would like to come and live here, we're very, very
[00:11:31] lucky, and now many them are getting the means and the money and the
[00:11:35] way with all to get in. Nigel Nelson, on the politics of
[00:11:39] this, Chris, before I come to you if I may, Europe as a continent
[00:11:43] is invariably, inexorably now swinging towards the
[00:11:46] right, we're seeing this at present, the elections due in France,
[00:11:50] in Spain, in Austria, in Germany, the continent has
[00:11:54] changed. "and the driving ethos behind that change is and controlled
[00:11:58] immigration, is the associated crime and terrorism? is
[00:12:02] Nigel Farage actually being out there when he's saying this
[00:12:06] or
[00:12:06] is he just following public mood? I mean across the continent, the mood is
[00:12:09] calsifying against what he would call this invasion. what it
[00:12:13] seems to be happening is he's got his eye more on the uh on the
[00:12:16] domestic situation. what he's doing here
[00:12:20] is what what is that all three the the parts the right are
[00:12:23] doing is..." trying to outdo each other when it comes to migration,
[00:12:27] so um, what Nigel Farage announced today is purely
[00:12:31] a direct lift from what Restore came up with a
[00:12:35] policy document back in February, um, we've got the
[00:12:39] shadow home secretary Chris Philp going on about, oh, they've just nick the policy from
[00:12:43] us, everybody is trying to be more extreme than the other when it comes
[00:12:47] to to immigration, I stream or just delivering what on
[00:12:51] the electorate, demanding.
[00:12:55] years, we've got to a stage now where there is where it's almost become a
[00:12:59] hysteria which is surrounding here, um, so you have
[00:13:03] things like um, over the weekend a Bollywood
[00:13:06] film crew arriving a hotel were mistaken for illegal
[00:13:10] migrants moving
[00:13:11] in, this is what's
[00:13:15] happening out there though, what this is, what
[00:13:18] about what this is encouraging is
[00:13:22] people people becoming obsessed by some? thing they should, they
[00:13:26] needn't be obsessed by, um, and that's what's going on, that's
[00:13:30] what things like this do. Krish, let's bring you in
[00:13:33] now, are you concerned about the
[00:13:36] breathth of this scheme, because it does say, for example, the
[00:13:39] Ukraine scheme would be taken away, but less we
[00:13:43] forget, schemes like Hong Kong, schemes
[00:13:47] like Ukraine were never meant to be come to Britain and stay forever,
[00:13:51] asylum is meant to be a temporary state of transit, and when it's...
[00:13:55] say to return, sure, you can return, so it's not fair to say that this is
[00:13:59] throwing Ukrainians under the bus, is it? it is if um, they're being asked to
[00:14:03] return to an unsafe country, you can see the bombing is continuing in
[00:14:06] Ukraine. look, i just came back from Jerusalem yesterday
[00:14:10] and i was reminded again in 1939, very
[00:14:14] difficult time economically for our country, we were in threat of invasion from
[00:14:18] the nazis and yet we still thought it was okay to take
[00:14:22] 10,00 Jewish children, that's what British people do,
[00:14:31] illegals, it's not the same. I don't think we've taken 200,000 illegals, we've taken
[00:14:34] 200,000 from Ukraine, we stepped up, we saw a neighbor in
[00:14:38] need, we helped Afghans, 25,00, people that had
[00:14:42] served our troops, um, and we took in
[00:14:44] some people from Hong Kong because the clamp down and freedoms there, but a blanket
[00:14:48] ban on all asylum seekers, that doesn't sound British to me,
[00:14:52] that sounds like we're pulling up the draw bridge and saying that someone else is problem: I think we
[00:14:56] need to play our part, we don't need to take everybody, but we need to play our part, haven't
[00:15:00] we played our part for long enough, and in big enough
[00:15:03] numbers, have we not been welcoming, but for
[00:15:06] decades, and is it not the job, the responsibility, perhaps
[00:15:10] of nations nearer to these conflict zones to pull the b, why should
[00:15:14] it be the role of Britain to take in refugees from Palestine when they could
[00:15:18] be in the middle east, more culturally aligned, geographically nearer, so when the conflict
[00:15:22] is over it's easier for them to return. Why is it always our job?
[00:15:26] No, you make a good point, Martin, and actually statistically, most
[00:15:29] refugees do stay close to the country as they leave, so I
[00:15:33] was in um Egypt just after the Sudan war erupted.
[00:15:37] 'and Egypt took a huge number of Sudanese refugees, we've taken very
[00:15:41] few, I i don't think we should say we're doing nothing, when
[00:15:45] we're asking other countries, poorer countries to do more, I think it's
[00:15:49] about fair play, playing our part, not taking too many, but not taking
[00:15:53] none, Catherine, let's return to the politics of this, because
[00:15:57] it's getting very, very political, battle loans are being drawn
[00:16:00] already for a general election, everybody's talking about it in Westminster, everybody
[00:16:04] thinks now that there's going to be some kind of early whistleblowing'. "know when,
[00:16:08] it could be May, could be Christmas, but certainly we're seeing
[00:16:12] clear blue water, whether you like it or not now, between the parties on
[00:16:15] Brexit, we're going to go to the
[00:16:17] to the commons in about 10 minutes time, the man, Andy Burnham, said he would
[00:16:21] never revisit the Brex, Brexit referendum is about to
[00:16:25] do that, on immigration, we're seeing labor
[00:16:28] unable to be tough on the indefinite leave to her main
[00:16:32] plans of Shabon Mami, because Angela Reiner in the back benchers won't have it, so we
[00:16:36] all seeing..." clear blue water if you like between the parties, do you feel
[00:16:40] like this is because a general election is in the air? well, I must say
[00:16:44] for a long time I thought it was ridiculous the idea of a general
[00:16:48] election, because uh labor are not far enough ahead
[00:16:52] to get majority and I still think until that changes they'd be mad,
[00:16:55] but clearly the economic situation is only getting worse, Andy
[00:16:59] Burnham is probably as popular as he's ever going to be, because they're kicking lots
[00:17:03] of difficult decisions into the long grass uh, but sooner or later...
[00:17:07] going to have to make them, but it was really when he stood up in Liverpool and
[00:17:11] gave that speech uh, about social care, um,
[00:17:15] looking again at Brexit and electoral
[00:17:19] reform,
[00:17:20] all things that he would need his own mandate for,
[00:17:23] most the speech was devoted to stuff he can't
[00:17:27] do without a general election, and at that point I started to think,
[00:17:31] oh, are you really going to not do any of this for three
[00:17:35] years, so I think they will wait until...
[00:17:38] '30 percent a bit above and seven points clear of
[00:17:42] reform or the tories and then they will and then they will go, but
[00:17:45] you know there's polling out suggesting that three quarters of labor
[00:17:49] voters would like Andy Burnham to put talks on
[00:17:53] rejoining the European Union in the next
[00:17:56] manifesto, it's astonishing you, it really
[00:18:00] really is, we we have a you turn from Andy burn that that securm can only
[00:18:04] dream of, literally on the on the stump on the day'. he won in
[00:18:08] makafield saying, "I will honor, I will honor the referendum,
[00:18:11] everything must pass the Makerfield test. Now it's all about
[00:18:15] Russia and Alice the Camble and the fantasies of
[00:18:18] romaniacs, it's a shambles. Well, I'm not sure which fantasies of
[00:18:22] Romaniacs you're talking about. Russia, well put in the strings. Russia
[00:18:26] has been trying for zero evidence. Russia has been tr, there is evidence that
[00:18:30] Russia has been trying to underm for years. What we don't know, when Andy, we
[00:18:34] don't know what Andy Burnam was referring to when he said that he been..." told
[00:18:38] there is evidence or who that evidence belongs to, but
[00:18:41] Russia has been undermining us constantly, they want to cause
[00:18:45] division, and it would be astonishing if when Brexit, the Brexit
[00:18:49] vote was going ahead, they didn't intervene then, it was in
[00:18:53] the foreign policy interests the creming for Europe to split
[00:18:57] up, and Brexit was an absolute dream for for uh President
[00:19:01] Putin, it's like time has stood
[00:19:04] still, it's like we've slipped through a wormhole.
[00:19:08] and the Kremlin is back, Putin is back, 17.4 million
[00:19:12] people out there, none of you knew what you're voting for, it was Kremlin what, it
[00:19:16] was the Kremlin what won it, it was Putin who told you how to
[00:19:20] vote, he made your minds up for you,
[00:19:23] ludicrous, it's totally, it doesn't mean
[00:19:26] it worked, all I'm saying is that it would be astonishing if Russia
[00:19:30] hadn't tried that, seriously, you need to give your head
[00:19:34] wobble, the prime minister does, the fact that
[00:19:38] we actually have this conversation again, unless there's a fresh dossier of
[00:19:42] evidence beyond what we saw in 2020 when x
[00:19:45] twitter was summons to parliament and even they could only say there were
[00:19:49] 942 tweets from all of
[00:19:52] russia, the entire continent, less than a thousand
[00:19:56] tweets, 461 retweets, i could get that before the end
[00:20:00] the show, it's absurd, it's absurd, and
[00:20:04] the fact the prime minister is indulging in this, i think is to the
[00:20:07] office,
[00:20:08] I sincerely do, well, I mean, if you look look at the the evidence that
[00:20:12] we do know about, um, Russian bots are being churned
[00:20:16] out about at 144 a day, there's a
[00:20:20] NATO unit in Riga monitoring the whole thing, we
[00:20:24] know they're coming from Russia, what they're trying to do is to st
[00:20:27] st up racial hatred in this country, try and start
[00:20:31] riot, okay, we have there, chrish, superb, katherine, we got three hours of
[00:20:34] this, Nigerson, always a pleasure, now then we got. the brexit debates coming up
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[00:25:49] Welcome. time is 25 pas 3 with me Martin Dorbly here on GV News now very
[00:25:53] shortly the Prime Minister Andy Burnham will make a statements to MPs in the House
[00:25:57] of Commons where he's expected to pledge even closer
[00:26:00] ties with the European Union. and all of this comes of course as he's
[00:26:04] claimed the Russia interfered in the 2016
[00:26:07] referendum, you can see their live pictures from the commons will be straight across there when
[00:26:11] Andy Burnham takes to the dispatch box, but before
[00:26:15] that let's have some analysis here and delighted to be joined by GB News's
[00:26:19] chief political correspondent Katherine Forster and also GB News's senior
[00:26:23] political commentator Nalson, I'm delighted to be joined by the member the House of
[00:26:26] Lords, Baroness Kate hoey, Kate hoey of course one the
[00:26:30] legends, the standard beareers. of Brexit, Kate
[00:26:33] Hoe, can you Adam and Eve it, once again, here we
[00:26:37] are, 10 years on, they're still saying it's the
[00:26:41] Kremlin what won it, I can't believe Andy Burnham's gone
[00:26:44] there, what say you, well I, I mean it's almost laughable, but at the same
[00:26:48] time actually I'm quite angry about it, because I think for the prime minister to
[00:26:52] be coming out and making that kind of statement a a whatever you
[00:26:56] call it blog or television thing with
[00:26:59] um... people, um,
[00:27:03] it really does make me angry, because I think it's so insulting, it's insulting to all
[00:27:07] those people who voted to leave, it's insulting
[00:27:10] to the the overall democratic nature of that
[00:27:14] referendum result, and the idea that and you just have
[00:27:18] to look at some the comments on on on x about it from
[00:27:22] people saying, yes, that's um, of course we were
[00:27:25] being, marched into the uh, in into
[00:27:29] the to make our ballot, to make our vote by these um, Russians and
[00:27:33] you know the whole thing has just become ridiculous. now all
[00:27:37] foreign governments were obviously interested in what was happening, but I think there's
[00:27:41] a lot more influence coming into
[00:27:44] trying to change and make people vote remain coming from
[00:27:48] the EU itself of course, America, Obama, all
[00:27:52] of that um and and then all the international economic
[00:27:56] bodies were coming in and trying to influence and the idea that somehow
[00:28:00] the Russians is it's just ridiculous, but really do think that
[00:28:04] he should have to, he's produced no evidence, he said nothing really about
[00:28:07] that, and I think he should apologize to the British people and the
[00:28:11] 17 and a half million people who brought it to leave, and you make an excellent point about
[00:28:15] foreign interference, gy Verhofstad turned up on British
[00:28:19] saw to campaign for the remain cane case, no one
[00:28:23] bangs on about that, an elected representative the European Union on British
[00:28:27] soil knocking on doors in London, that never gets
[00:28:30] dragged up, but but mean
[00:28:33] this is a this is, mean it is almost like a conspiracy of a little
[00:28:37] group of people who have never given up, never given up on the idea that
[00:28:41] they want to take us back into the European Union, and with no
[00:28:45] understanding really still, i think of why
[00:28:48] people, people from all backgrounds and all ages and
[00:28:52] all, political persuasions actually voted to leave, they don't
[00:28:56] seem to understand that, and they keep push, push, pushing by
[00:28:59] thinking that if they just keep on at it, eventually...
[00:29:03] um, a politician will give in, and it looks like Andy Burnham is going to be the
[00:29:06] politician that gives in and
[00:29:09] you know wants to take us back in. You're exactly right to say it's almost like the kind of
[00:29:12] Japanese soldiers of Romain that keep fighting
[00:29:16] on even though the war is over, but on the serious
[00:29:19] point of Kremlin interference, Russian
[00:29:23] bots, Vladimir Putin himself, as
[00:29:27] as an experience campaigner across the Brexit referendum, will you
[00:29:31] ever presented? any credible evidence that this happened
[00:29:34] because there was a commons inquiry um where twitter was
[00:29:38] summons to the commons and it came out just said there there were
[00:29:42] 942 tweets in the entire referendum before the vote,
[00:29:45] less than a
[00:29:46] thous tweets, 461 retweets,
[00:29:50] 0.02% of people on
[00:29:53] twitter would have seen it, let alone the wider elector, but still they
[00:29:57] maintain people voted for Brexit because they were told by the
[00:30:00] cremin, it strikes a third, I don't, I just think the
[00:30:04] vast majority the public will just see this for what it is,
[00:30:08] and will think it's nonsense, and will, I hope share my
[00:30:12] anger really, I would say, and I think I'm sure you
[00:30:16] probably said it already, but
[00:30:17] you know, you could not have seen Kier Starmer even doing this in this in this way, he
[00:30:21] wouldn't have come out like this, I mean it just, it's just
[00:30:24] unbelievable, and also I wonder what the voters of Makerfield are
[00:30:28] thinking of this, it's a fair point, it's an excellent point, just like...
[00:30:32] on your screen to remind these are pictures from the house guys, we are expecting
[00:30:35] to take the dispatch box shortly, the prime minister expected to
[00:30:38] deliver his thoughts on Brexit, we know
[00:30:42] at party conference
[00:30:43] he said Brexit has done more harm than good, um another complete you turn
[00:30:47] from what he said on the campaign trail in Makerville, less we
[00:30:51] forget 0.86% the total British electorate put Andy
[00:30:54] Burnham in power, he's now a prime minister, he's in u-turn on
[00:30:58] Brexit, the secur would be proud of, Katherine Force. think this
[00:31:02] reinforces something that we talk about lot on this channel and have since it's inception
[00:31:06] and myself on other channels before it started, this
[00:31:09] lot in parliament they think they know better than the
[00:31:13] electorate, they never do what they're told. they hated Brexit, 75%
[00:31:16] them at the time voted to remain, I'll warrant now, it's more like
[00:31:20] 90% of this lot, I bet you about 90% the people in there would
[00:31:24] like to rejoin or all our romanias, they are not representative the country, I think
[00:31:28] it's a total and nutter insult that they're banging on about
[00:31:31] rejoining when that's done, it's finished, it's through the hoop, let it
[00:31:35] go, many millions of people will agree
[00:31:39] with you that you know we had those Brexit
[00:31:43] chaos, the... years of nothing happening, they
[00:31:47] voted against every possible outcome, the hardline
[00:31:50] brexiteers and the hardline remaineers and all the rest of it, you know, it was
[00:31:54] horrible, all these other deep-seated problems that are
[00:31:58] not being addressed and still are not being addressed, and we
[00:32:02] have a prime minister who let's face it was elected by 25,000
[00:32:05] people in Makerfield, as you said, elected, telling
[00:32:09] them, I'm not proposing the United Kingdom should consider rejoining the
[00:32:13] EU, it would undermine... everything I said about
[00:32:16] strengthening democracy if we do not respect that vote, he
[00:32:20] said that on television in leads during the campaign, he
[00:32:24] separately wrote for the times talking about Tony Blair's essay
[00:32:28] and said he was not proposing revisiting devisive
[00:32:31] arguments about the European Union, he said that, he was
[00:32:35] elected, I have to say I thought being elected in Makerfield would
[00:32:39] mean that he would not go there, and he is
[00:32:43] going there so... quickly after he was
[00:32:47] elected, it and and as you say Kate about Sakir Starmer, Sakir
[00:32:51] Starmer may have been doll, he may not have been to most people's
[00:32:54] taste, but they didn't want to talk about
[00:32:57] Brexit, they were clear, they respected the red lines, they wanted
[00:33:01] closer relationship, but there was no talk
[00:33:04] about new referendums, rejoining the single
[00:33:08] belt, any of that, there just wasn't, okay, yeah, I
[00:33:11] mean, the problem is so many or none of... very, very few of
[00:33:15] those new labor MPs remember or even are that interested in what happened
[00:33:19] in parliament during those,
[00:33:20] and most them weren't there probably, no, they weren't there, you see, and and and they don't know about the
[00:33:24] scars that we all have from those dreadful, dreadful days with that awful
[00:33:28] speaker, and the way that everybody was just out their, going out
[00:33:32] their way to stop it happening, your old friend John Berco, yeah, I'm talking about
[00:33:36] John Berco, yes, the old, well, yes, I suppose he's not that
[00:33:39] old, but um, and you know, the
[00:33:43] idea now that we would even... think of going back to that kind of
[00:33:47] divisive nature again, because obviously in and if there's a general
[00:33:50] election, whatever happens, labor is not going to have majority that they
[00:33:54] have at the moment, and that means that you the parliamentary
[00:33:58] arithmetic is going to be very different, and it would be very, very
[00:34:01] divisive, and it will take ages, because if he
[00:34:05] decides to just put it a manifesto and say,
[00:34:09] we're going to, if we get elected, we are going to rejoin, I
[00:34:13] think that would be one the most... appalling acts of any prime
[00:34:16] minister uh that's ever happened because we had referendum
[00:34:20] after 40 years of being in and now after 10 years he wants
[00:34:24] to take us back in without even referendum and Nigel that's the point
[00:34:28] secur no matter rest in peace as it were politically
[00:34:32] he's he's he's gone now but at least a sense he was honest he
[00:34:35] was the head the people's vote campaign he was naked rejoiner
[00:34:39] from the start even he even he
[00:34:43] didn't say let's rejoin. the European Union, it was something for more subtle death
[00:34:47] by a thousand treaties, send David Lamy to negotiate on
[00:34:51] this, send somebody else, another Underling to negotiate on that, but Andy
[00:34:55] Burnham's no, first for getting back to the bosom
[00:34:59] of Brussils has outstripped that even of Sakis armor, well I don't think I
[00:35:02] think you're you're presenting it as
[00:35:04] Andy Burnham going
[00:35:05] too far, what Andy Burnham is doing is saying look, we're doing reset with Europe, we're
[00:35:09] negotiating new relationship with the EU, and what he's
[00:35:13] doing is saying, why not? has put everything on the table, now I'm as surprised
[00:35:17] as you were, as you know, when we were we were watching it, watching his party
[00:35:20] conference speech and what happened afterwards, I was surprised he went as far
[00:35:24] as he did, I don't think we're going to go back into the EU, I do
[00:35:28] think that the uh 2016 vote settled the
[00:35:32] issue, also I do think it was a mistake, if you voted
[00:35:36] for sovereignty, you got what you wish for, if you voted
[00:35:39] for um uh a strong economy, you
[00:35:43] didn't, yeah, that's because
[00:35:44] it was... it was never properly implemented, the rest the European Union
[00:35:48] aren't exactly you outdoing us any aspect of
[00:35:52] economic policy, so I don't see how anyone can say that, it's just such a glib thing
[00:35:56] to say,
[00:35:57] oh yes, you know, nothing's been the same since Brexit, Brexit, I mean,
[00:36:01] we we did
[00:36:02] have COVID immediately afterwards, which I think was really, really damaging,
[00:36:05] COVID
[00:36:06] has has obviously sort of mudded the waters, actually work out, work
[00:36:10] out, what you you can attribute to Brexit and what you can
[00:36:14] attribute to COVID.
[00:36:19] 16,000 businesses have stopped trading with europe because of all the border controls
[00:36:23] and the extra paperwork that that creates exports and imports
[00:36:26] of... exactly, that's what what Kier Starmer started to try
[00:36:30] and sort sort that out and get rid of those border
[00:36:33] controls um and that is what Andy Burnam is continuing,
[00:36:37] whether or not Europe suddenly says, hey guys, come back in, we'll
[00:36:41] we'll let you have have wonderful deal,
[00:36:43] I don't buy any of that, I don't buy any of that, what I think this is is it's
[00:36:47] naked politics, was seeing where the wind is
[00:36:51] blowing, he wants back benchers of course, he wants to appeal to metropolitan
[00:36:54] remainers, he wants to try and nibble away the liberal democrats. 'nible away at the
[00:36:58] greens, he's more or less abandoned the red war, he won't clamp down an immigration, won't clamp
[00:37:02] down in benefits, this to me, correct me if I'm wrong, skhoe, this
[00:37:05] is him making a play for the block vote the liberal left and to help with the red
[00:37:09] wall, he's completely changed since since the by-election
[00:37:13] attitude, all the things he said during the by-election
[00:37:16] were about you, ordinary working people, about getting getting uh
[00:37:19] control back to them and to give that back in terms of
[00:37:23] devolution
[00:37:24] and all of that, and now he's just you know pit in hot'. to
[00:37:28] those members of his own party who have obsessed about the European
[00:37:32] Union about wanting to go back in and also obsessed about this
[00:37:35] whole no understanding of what's happening in the EU and those countries look at
[00:37:39] France yeah and the whole political block is swinging back to the
[00:37:43] right just reminder live pictures on your screen there from the house of commons a
[00:37:47] debate about Brexit is raging and the prime
[00:37:51] minister expected to speak a short moment's time
[00:37:54] on on closer ties to the European Union. on there on the
[00:37:58] front bench for now, pat mcfadun is chairing this session,
[00:38:02] shabad by the way is set to speak around about 5:30 we believe
[00:38:06] or the of course that's a movable feast on security, the issue of
[00:38:09] Nigel Farage and widockam, national security is expected to
[00:38:13] come up, but ahead of that is the big event, so we have some movement
[00:38:17] here,
[00:38:18] is this the prime minister, Andy Burnham speaker, Andy Burnham about to stand
[00:38:21] up, earlier on has been accused of double standards by
[00:38:25] dragging Russia, into this, dragging the Kremlin back
[00:38:29] into it, we can see that Kemy B, the leader the opposition,
[00:38:32] Israel, we're expecting firety exchange, kemmy said it's been a
[00:38:36] terrible mistake to drag Brexit back, actually
[00:38:40] isn't quite there yet, expect to say it's been a terrible
[00:38:44] mistake to drag
[00:38:45] Brexit, in my view the
[00:38:49] conservatives and reform have to make it absolutely
[00:38:51] clear, they will go back on it to make a
[00:38:55] statement on the United Nations. general assembly and
[00:38:59] related international events since the house last
[00:39:02] met. Before I do, let me first
[00:39:06] welcome the new member for Holborn
[00:39:09] and sent pankers
[00:39:12] to her
[00:39:14] place. What a journey from child refuge to
[00:39:16] parliament, and what a country, Mr. Speaker, that this
[00:39:20] story of hope could happen here. I know
[00:39:24] my honorable friend will enhance this house. in so many
[00:39:28] ways, and I look forward to
[00:39:30] working with her. Mr. Speaker, I took a
[00:39:34] clear message to the UN, that after decade of
[00:39:37] turbulence, Britain is back and can be relied upon as
[00:39:41] a consistent and stable partner an uncertain
[00:39:45] world, always upholding the shared values set out in the UN
[00:39:49] charter, rejecting aggression wherever we see it, and always
[00:39:53] steadfast in our support for Ukraine, as I
[00:39:56] assured.
[00:40:01] In the three weeks since that meeting, Russian
[00:40:05] strikes have intensified even further with more
[00:40:08] attacks on civilians, on apartment blocks
[00:40:12] housing innocent families on buses carrying innocent
[00:40:16] children. When I spoke to President Zelensky on
[00:40:20] Saturday, he described the step change from
[00:40:23] Russia, including daylight attacks, intended to break.
[00:40:27] their will and ours. I can tell you, Mr.
[00:40:31] Speaker, that will never
[00:40:33] happen. In recent days, we have
[00:40:37] announced new funding to help them get through their fifth winter
[00:40:41] under Russian bombardment, and new sanctions
[00:40:44] package, so that over 90% of Russia's oil
[00:40:48] producing capacity is now covered by UK
[00:40:51] sanctions. On diesel, the quickest way to
[00:40:55] get it back onto world markets. without rewarding the
[00:40:58] aggressor is an energy ceasefire with both
[00:41:02] sides stopping their attacks. I raise this with President
[00:41:06] Trump in New York. It is what Ukraine wants to
[00:41:09] see, and so I welcome President Trump's announcement
[00:41:12] yesterday of reciprocal energy cease
[00:41:16] fire. President Zelensky has assured me Ukraine would
[00:41:20] immediately implement it when a start date is confirmed and I will
[00:41:24] be discussing this further with him in the coming days.
[00:41:27] Mr. Speaker, NATO is defensive
[00:41:30] alliance. We do not seek
[00:41:33] confrontation, but our resolve to defend our
[00:41:37] allies and ourselves is absolute. "and I was clear
[00:41:41] in all of my meetings, including with the NATO Secretary
[00:41:44] General in Oxfordshire, that we will meet our NATO
[00:41:48] commitments in full. We know Russia is
[00:41:52] conducting a campaign of hybrid attacks and
[00:41:55] sabotage across Europe. In Berlin last
[00:41:59] week, Chancellor Merts and I agreed a new partnership to
[00:42:03] tackle these hybrid threats. We must be clear eyed about
[00:42:07] attempts to destabilize our democracies in. is why in my
[00:42:10] speech to the UN General Assembly, I confirmed our commitment to
[00:42:14] establish new center for information defense as
[00:42:18] recommended by the Foreign Affairs Select
[00:42:21] Committee. More broadly, this is
[00:42:25] moment to deepen collaboration with our partners, and
[00:42:28] it is why in Berlin, I indicated Britain's openness to
[00:42:32] Germany joining the Global Combat Air program
[00:42:35] alongside Italy and Japan. In my meeting with
[00:42:39] president President Trump we discussed the situation in the Middle
[00:42:43] East, I confirmed Britain's decision to send air
[00:42:46] defense and voyager aircraft to Saudi Arabia to provide
[00:42:50] air to air refueling support. I can confirm
[00:42:54] today, it has already completed 14 operational
[00:42:58] missions. This support is needed to protect
[00:43:02] civilians. I condemn the appalling attacks on the
[00:43:05] King Khalid International Airport. We will continue to
[00:43:09] stand with Saudi Arabia against the
[00:43:11] hooties. Since Unga, Mr. Speaker, we have been in close
[00:43:15] contact with the US about protective security at our
[00:43:19] shared bases. I want to thank our police and military
[00:43:22] personnel for their swift response to the incidents at
[00:43:26] RAF Fairford and Raf Molesworth. My
[00:43:30] right honorable friend, the home secretary will update the house regarding the incident
[00:43:34] at Raf Fairford, but I can confirm our
[00:43:37] assessment that
[00:43:38] it is highly likely. to have been coordinated in
[00:43:42] Iran, almost certainly directed by Iran's
[00:43:46] Islamic revolutionary guard. We will not tolerate
[00:43:50] these threats on our soil. We will crack down on Iran's use
[00:43:54] of criminal networks, using our full range of powers to target
[00:43:57] them and their funding streams, and we will bring further
[00:44:01] sanctions to restrict the capacity of Iran and the
[00:44:04] IRGC to do us harm. In my
[00:44:08] meeting with the president, I also... the falkland islands
[00:44:11] and the clear and declared will the
[00:44:15] islanders to remain
[00:44:16] british. emphasize this
[00:44:20] point in my speech to the general assembly
[00:44:24] and that we will also always do whatever
[00:44:28] it takes to uphold their will.
[00:44:32] mr. speaker, in new york, i also had a positive meeting with the
[00:44:35] president the European commission the...
[00:44:39] about
[00:44:45] opportunity
[00:44:45] to
[00:44:52] presents an make
[00:44:55] progress on two crucial
[00:44:58] this summit issues, boosting UK growth and controlling
[00:45:02] illegal immigration. on the
[00:45:05] table is a trade deal on food and
[00:45:09] drink products. deal on emissions
[00:45:12] trading, progress towards linking our energy
[00:45:16] systems, new youth experience scheme and
[00:45:19] deeper cooperation on immigration. The summit
[00:45:23] will also be an opportunity to raise our concerns about
[00:45:27] made in Europe, and it is clear to me that there is an opportunity to make
[00:45:31] progress in all these areas. Together, these deals will
[00:45:35] add the equivalent of over 10 billion pounds per year to the UK
[00:45:38] economy by. 2040 with the potential to add
[00:45:42] significantly more. We should
[00:45:46] not turn our backs on this opportunity, Mr.
[00:45:50] Speaker, and I hope all sides of this
[00:45:53] house will get behind the government's efforts to
[00:45:57] land a positive outcome. It is a chance to
[00:46:01] cut costs and bureaucracy for sectors
[00:46:05] like farming. At
[00:46:08] present entire... truck loads of plants or fresh
[00:46:11] produce can be destroyed because of a single missing stamp
[00:46:15] or a minor paperwork delay. fresh meat
[00:46:19] and fish spoil while waiting in trucks and tons of exports
[00:46:23] have to be written off. our largest food export
[00:46:26] Scottish salmon faces a 100% rate of document
[00:46:30] checks at the border, costing us around 100 million
[00:46:34] pounds in lost exports. British burgers and other
[00:46:38] fresh meat products cannot be... sold in the EU,
[00:46:42] seed potatoes from Scotland and Shellfish from Wales are
[00:46:45] banned. This is having a real impact on
[00:46:49] businesses, and the agreement on the table.
[00:46:52] reverse some of that damage. For farmers and food
[00:46:56] producers, it will lift the burden that can reach
[00:46:59] 1,400 pounds a single
[00:47:03] shipment. For our small businesses, it
[00:47:06] means no more export health certificates, which
[00:47:10] can cost up to 200 pounds each time, for households, it will lease
[00:47:14] the pressure on prices in the supermarket. It could help
[00:47:18] lower energy costs for households and businesses.
[00:47:22] alike in Northern Ireland, the proposed
[00:47:26] energy deal could cut wholesale energy costs by
[00:47:30] 20%. On immigration, we could link up our law
[00:47:34] enforcement efforts once again, sharing more data and criminal
[00:47:38] records of foreign nationals, as well as faster electronic
[00:47:42] evidence from the phones of those behind the gangs.
[00:47:46] Mr. Speaker, it is in Britain's interest to secure a deal
[00:47:49] along these lines and I will work harder. over the next five
[00:47:53] weeks to achieve it, I
[00:47:57] believe our chances of doing so will be enhanced by being open
[00:48:00] to discussion about our relationship with the EU in the
[00:48:04] longer term. If we are serious,
[00:48:08] if we are serious about promoting
[00:48:12] growth, controlling immigration, upholding
[00:48:16] our values and security, it is a conversation we
[00:48:19] must have. with the status
[00:48:23] quo is not good enough for
[00:48:26] Britain, worse it would be major deriction of
[00:48:30] duty to turn away. We need to take a calm, clear eyed,
[00:48:34] rational look at the world as it is today to consider what is best for
[00:48:37] our country. Our immediate priority is securing
[00:48:41] successful outcome at the summit, and I believe we should then set up
[00:48:45] serious dialogue about the different options for our relationship in the long
[00:48:49] term. At every stage, the British public.
[00:48:52] will be the boss and I am clear that public
[00:48:56] opinion currently supports a pragmatic
[00:48:59] approach like the one I am
[00:49:01] suggesting, but if we go into this further
[00:49:05] phase we will proceed with care and complete
[00:49:08] transparency. Mr. Speaker, this is the leadership
[00:49:12] we need to draw a decade, to draw a line a
[00:49:16] decade of drift and division and take the country
[00:49:19] forward. Beyond Europe. confident Britain is
[00:49:23] ready to play our part on the global stage as we take up the
[00:49:26] presidency the G20 in
[00:49:29] 2027. I confirmed in New York that we will
[00:49:33] place AI center stage in our presidency, capturing the
[00:49:36] incredible opportunities it presents while guarding against the risks.
[00:49:40] Leading voices like the president of Microsoft are saying
[00:49:44] Britain is the world leader in AI safety,
[00:49:48] so we are well placed to take on this role and work towards
[00:49:51] agreeing a... set of global principles and
[00:49:54] standards on AI as part of our G20
[00:49:58] presidency year. Mr. Speaker, the message to the world
[00:50:02] is clear. Britain is back on so many fronts,
[00:50:06] we are playing our part and looking confidently to the future. We are
[00:50:10] leading again, so our country can hope again, and I commend this
[00:50:14] statement to the house.
[00:50:17] Leader the
[00:50:18] opposition,
[00:50:23] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and can I thank the Prime Minister for advanced sides of
[00:50:27] his statement? Since we last met, Iran has
[00:50:31] sponsored attempted terror attack a British military
[00:50:34] base. President Trump has withdrawn support from
[00:50:38] President Zelensky. Saudi Arabia is being
[00:50:41] bombarded with Houti missiles and has asked Britain to come
[00:50:45] to her aid. UK household energy bills are set
[00:50:49] to rise by nearly 300 pounds. in
[00:50:52] January and diesel prices have hit two pounds a
[00:50:56] liter for the first time ever.
[00:51:00] Against this backdrop, the chancellor will deliver a budget in two
[00:51:04] weeks. The IFS has said that there is a 35 billion
[00:51:08] pound black hole in the public finances, more borrowing or more
[00:51:12] taxes are on the way, because we know the prime minister will not
[00:51:15] cut spending. This is a time when families and
[00:51:19] businesses are already suffering under the weight of. billion
[00:51:23] pounds in labor tax rises, so what has the prime minister
[00:51:27] chosen to focus today? brexit. his
[00:51:30] exact words earlier this year were, the last thing we
[00:51:34] should do right now is rerun those arguments
[00:51:37] and yet
[00:51:39] here he is unpicking the deal, this country signed with the
[00:51:42] EU decade after the referendum. he is
[00:51:46] not going to get better deal, the EU are tough
[00:51:50] negotiators and Mr. It's not just
[00:51:53] that the EU are tough negotiators, he has already revealed his
[00:51:57] entire negotiating hand, he has just blurted out
[00:52:00] everything he wants in this statement, and I will tell you, tell him now,
[00:52:04] Mr. speaker, as a former trade secretary, this is not how you
[00:52:08] conduct
[00:52:09] negotiations. over the
[00:52:12] weekend, over the weekend, but he's told them, he's told them everything
[00:52:16] and
[00:52:16] they haven't even started, unbelievable, over the weekend, on the rest is
[00:52:20] politics podcast, he implied that the referendum result was
[00:52:24] illegitimate because of Russian interference. where has
[00:52:28] this come from? we all remember in 2018, the head of
[00:52:32] MI5 said that there was no evidence that Russia. had influenced
[00:52:36] the EU referendum result, even this morning his own foreign minister
[00:52:39] could not say if the evidence existed, so will he
[00:52:43] confirm here and now whether he believes the referendum
[00:52:47] result was legitimate, and if not, will he
[00:52:51] published the evidence that Russia swung the result the 2016
[00:52:54] referendum? from my perspective, Mr. Speaker, this is just
[00:52:58] another example of him trying to distract the country rather than solve
[00:53:02] the immediate challenges. 'yeah, and just
[00:53:06] like some people thought all of Britain's problems would be solved by leaving the
[00:53:09] EU, some now think all our problems will be res will be solved by
[00:53:13] rejoining. Neither these are serious positions. This is
[00:53:17] lazy thinking from people who don't have solutions to the real
[00:53:21] problems we face, like on defense. The prime minister
[00:53:24] told us he would set out a target date for spending 3% of GDP
[00:53:28] on defense at the spending review in the spring. That
[00:53:32] spending review has now been delayed.' until next
[00:53:36] autumn, he has delayed procurement decisions, or will labor
[00:53:40] delayed procurement decisions by year to hold the strategic defense review,
[00:53:43] then the defense investment plan took another 18 months, now the armed
[00:53:47] forces have to wait another 12 months at least to find out what
[00:53:51] they're getting. defense the realm is the first duty
[00:53:55] of any government, kicking it into the long grass is a
[00:53:59] derelliction of duty. i welcome the support that
[00:54:03] he has set out for our allies, now for our allies in Saudi Arabia and
[00:54:07] Ukraine, but they will require money, and there are
[00:54:10] still serious questions on defense that need to be
[00:54:13] answered. The United States have withdrawn their bombers from Raf
[00:54:17] Fairford. Can the Prime Minister tell us why?
[00:54:21] And what does that mean for the safety of our British aircraft and more
[00:54:25] importantly British personnel at that
[00:54:28] base? He said in his statement that we will not tolerate
[00:54:32] threats from Iran on our soil. So where he? and his foreign
[00:54:35] secretary aware of those threats before the foreign
[00:54:38] secretary met and shook hands with the Iranian foreign
[00:54:42] minister at the UN, and does the prime minister now think the
[00:54:46] foreign secretary was wrong to do that? on the 18th
[00:54:50] of July, we were told
[00:54:51] that the prime minister would grant licenses for the Jackdoor gas field and Roosebank oil
[00:54:55] field. We are still waiting for decision nearly three
[00:54:59] months later as a global energy crisis is
[00:55:02] looming. Can he now confirm? exactly when
[00:55:06] he will approve these licenses. Britain cannot afford to wait
[00:55:10] until the end the decade for him to act. He is the prime
[00:55:14] minister for today. Rather than promising things on the
[00:55:17] never never, here are some things that he could do right
[00:55:21] now. Cut welfare, fund our defense, drill in the north
[00:55:25] sea, bring down people's taxes, get young people into work,
[00:55:29] build new prison places and put more police on our
[00:55:32] streets. those things
[00:55:36] today, if he cuts
[00:55:39] spending, that's what I would do, instead he's trying to
[00:55:43] reopen yesterday's arguments to avoid today's
[00:55:46] decisions, so Mr. Speaker, what this statement shows
[00:55:50] is the difference between that side the house and this side the
[00:55:53] house, we have answers to
[00:55:57] today's problems, they are living in the
[00:56:00] past.
[00:56:04] Prime minister. 'uh, can I thank the right
[00:56:08] honorable lady uh, Mr. Speaker, um, she started
[00:56:12] on uh, the right point, which is the situation in the Middle
[00:56:16] East, and the extent to which it is affecting cost of living
[00:56:19] pressures here at home, the cost of filling up at the
[00:56:23] pump um, cost uh
[00:56:25] more more broadly - people are feeling,
[00:56:28] so she's absolutely right to say that that's where our focus should be, it's
[00:56:32] where my focus was when I had all of my meeting'. in New
[00:56:35] York and it's why I have taken action to remove
[00:56:39] VAT of electricity bills this
[00:56:43] month, so we are acting uh quickly on the
[00:56:46] cost of living and we will continue uh to do that. Mr.
[00:56:50] Speaker, I was listening carefully what she
[00:56:54] said about the European Union, and one could
[00:56:57] only conclude from what she said about
[00:57:01] unpicking the deal, the deal that is supposedly so good. uh
[00:57:05] for Britain that she will be defending the status
[00:57:08] quote, I'm sure I heard her say at
[00:57:12] conference that increasing growth would be the
[00:57:16] operating principle. any government that she leads,
[00:57:19] so how can she
[00:57:21] justify turning her
[00:57:25] back a deal that is potentially on the
[00:57:28] table now to add billions to the UK
[00:57:32] economy? how can they justify, how can they
[00:57:36] justify turning their back on farmers
[00:57:40] and the food industry who are finding it
[00:57:44] hard to export into Europe? 'I
[00:57:47] think they need to, I think they need to reflect on that, Mr.
[00:57:51] Speaker, and she she says that
[00:57:55] uh, oh, I've revealed what I want to do, and uh,
[00:57:58] this isn't any way to negotiate it, because the tories were so good,
[00:58:02] weren't they, Mr. Speaker, negotiating uh,
[00:58:06] deals uh with our with our
[00:58:08] partners, she, can I just address the point
[00:58:12] that she said, I implied no such thing in my
[00:58:16] comments on'.
[00:58:17] the rest is politics podcast, I think she should go
[00:58:21] back and and look again. It is matter of
[00:58:25] record, Mr. Speaker, that Russian actors sought
[00:58:28] to interfere in the 29 general election, and
[00:58:32] we think it is inconceivable that this was the
[00:58:36] first time. I have, I
[00:58:40] have a question for the right honorable
[00:58:44] lady, I listened, I listened. to
[00:58:48] what she said at her conference last week when she was
[00:58:51] asked directly about Brexit
[00:58:55] twice whether she thought Brexit had been
[00:58:59] good for London twice she could not
[00:59:02] answer, she could not address the question
[00:59:06] even, and this is not going to be good enough for a
[00:59:10] party that once again wishes to lead
[00:59:13] this country. That is not leadership, Mr. Speaker, to turn your back.
[00:59:18] on growth to turn your back on building the British
[00:59:21] economy. On defense, Mr. Speaker, this government is already
[00:59:25] spending 14 billion pounds more every year
[00:59:29] than their last year in government. Uh, we will
[00:59:33] uh continue to work with our US counterparts on Raf at
[00:59:36] Fairford, Mr. Speaker, and can I say to her, every
[00:59:40] single foreign secretary, including David
[00:59:44] Cameron as the last conservative foreign secretary.
[00:59:47] met representatives the Iranian government and she should
[00:59:51] look back at that as well as she should look back at her
[00:59:55] own record in government. she stands there today and
[00:59:59] says she will build new prison places. why is there
[01:00:02] crisis in our prisons? because they didn't,
[01:00:06] when they were in office. we are dealing with the issues that she left
[01:00:10] behind, we are the ones that are providing leadership in difficult
[01:00:14] times and it is about time that
[01:00:16] the honorable lady... faced up to some of those realities about the mess they left
[01:00:20] behind
[01:00:25] very much speaker, i'm very grateful to the prime minister for treating
[01:00:29] concerted attempts to undermine our democracy, well that was the prime
[01:00:33] minister andy burnham locking horns with chemy ball of course the leader
[01:00:37] the opposition on Brexit, 10
[01:00:40] years on here we go again w all the main points that Andy
[01:00:44] Burnham came out with naked love letter. to Brussels,
[01:00:48] let's be absolutely clear, naked love letter to
[01:00:51] Brussels, Andy Burnham talk about how he had a meeting with
[01:00:55] Ersala
[01:00:56] von delay and the first newslineine confirmation, there will be
[01:00:59] a UK European Union summit in
[01:01:03] Brussels on the 20th of November, and Kenny Bainenot pointed
[01:01:07] out there, Andy Burnham laid out his entire strategy,
[01:01:11] his entire set of demands, number one, boosting UK
[01:01:15] growth, number two, controlling a legal immigration like that
[01:01:18] works or either of those works when we're inside the European Union. Number
[01:01:22] three, energy cooperation. Now will point out
[01:01:26] that means energy entanglement, it means
[01:01:30] energy reliance. It means being
[01:01:33] subjected to new deals and if we change one part the
[01:01:37] deal, Paris can turn off the lights. We've been here before,
[01:01:41] this is precisely the Brexit referendum at
[01:01:44] disentangling these treaties so we weren't. at the
[01:01:48] whim of Brussels i Digress and point for
[01:01:52] so-called youth experience scheme. That
[01:01:56] means open borders for young people. It means erasmus, it
[01:01:59] means youth mobility. Call it what you want. It's freedom of
[01:02:03] movement with new name. A lot of people will think that that is
[01:02:07] the is the Brexit wolf in sheep's clothing. Will they
[01:02:11] not? Baroness Kate Hoe, you were clo- closely listening in there and
[01:02:15] the entire reason for this we were told. "this will add 10
[01:02:19] billion pounds to the UK economy by 2040, which
[01:02:23] point you simply said how? well, I
[01:02:26] think I think actually it, it almost showed a..." quite a lot of
[01:02:30] naivity by uh the prime minister about how the European Union
[01:02:34] works, because the European Union does not give a
[01:02:38] single thing to any country uh
[01:02:41] without getting a great deal more back, and what
[01:02:45] what we haven't heard any of that is where the European
[01:02:49] Union is, because quite honestly they haven't actually had that negotiation yet, and yet
[01:02:53] he's saying that already by you, by the time it comes
[01:02:57] to November the 20th, he's almost imply... that these things are
[01:03:01] already being accepted by her and you know
[01:03:04] that the issue particularly the youth issue um I
[01:03:08] mean that is going to be hugely expensive on this
[01:03:12] country because we will end up giving students from
[01:03:16] the rest the EU much cheaper university fees all of those sorts of
[01:03:20] things will be tied into it but the the most important thing to me
[01:03:24] would when he talked about growth he put that as the number one
[01:03:26] issue - growth we "we could be
[01:03:30] getting growth in this country now without anything to do
[01:03:34] with with with the European Union if we were to do
[01:03:38] what in fact um Kimmy Badnock said and other people have said
[01:03:41] actually cutting what we're spending and we're not he's not looking at that at
[01:03:45] all particularly welfare so I I think it was a bit of a I
[01:03:49] mean it's been it's been hot you know everybody's been talking about
[01:03:53] this is going to be this great speech but actually in it the reality
[01:03:57] was he wasn't really saying" anything other than that we're going to
[01:04:01] have this arrangement in November, we'll get this wonderful
[01:04:05] deal, we hope you'll all support it, and then we're going to look at how we can
[01:04:08] get it into our manifesto for an election that will probably come next year to say that
[01:04:12] we want to get even closer and actually join,
[01:04:16] rejoin, excellently summarized,
[01:04:19] katherine for something else that grab that leps out there was Andy
[01:04:23] Burm said our immediate goal is closer relationship with the
[01:04:27] European Union and then sets up serious dialogue about our
[01:04:31] future relationship, then saying the public will be the boss,
[01:04:35] it'l be led by public mood. now this, I
[01:04:38] think, Baron Sko, you can both agree is something, I think the remain side never
[01:04:42] stops campaigning, they never stop campaigning after 2020, they never stopped
[01:04:46] campaigning
[01:04:47] for for six long years, you hardly hear a positive thing said about
[01:04:51] Brexit in the mainstream media, you hear nothing positive about
[01:04:55] it in from from business,
[01:04:58] academia, in television, from
[01:05:01] celebrities, the remain voice
[01:05:05] never stopped, the trumpet never fell silent, and this seems
[01:05:09] with that that age all thing about we're going to follow the polling, buse brexiteers
[01:05:13] have died out, the public's changed its mind, i think that's a copy
[01:05:17] of many b, he's basically saying, well mean i know i was elected on a manifesto pledge
[01:05:21] in makerfield and saying i wouldn't revisit the referendum but actually people changes of
[01:05:24] minds, it's not me, honest gover that's doing this, it's the electorate, at
[01:05:28] least
[01:05:29] be honest like
[01:05:29] skeer Starmer was. 'if you want to rejoin, tell us, yeah, I was looking
[01:05:33] back again at what he said uh, Tony Blair during the
[01:05:37] by-election campaign, wrote a big essay, and one the things he said
[01:05:40] was, um, we shouldn't think about rejoining now, it's
[01:05:44] something for in the future, if we are a much stronger position,
[01:05:48] we'd want to be a much better place before we'd even countenance it, and Andy
[01:05:52] Burnham wrote a piece in the Times and said that Tony Blair had correctly
[01:05:55] argued that our relentless focus should now be on'.
[01:06:00] domestic issues and fixing
[01:06:01] our own underlying problems rather than re-running divisive
[01:06:05] arguments about rejoining the European Union, now he is saying
[01:06:09] we need growth, this is how we get it, but we haven't
[01:06:13] had growth since the financial crisis, uh, living standards,
[01:06:16] productivity have been pretty flat, we actually only
[01:06:20] brexited in 2020, which pretty much
[01:06:23] coincided with COVID, and Europe
[01:06:27] is very, very different, look at the... of
[01:06:30] parties on the right and also
[01:06:33] had no growth either speaking, let's go back
[01:06:34] to
[01:06:38] the sympathies, I'm sure all of us were moved by the prime minister
[01:06:42] words about his dad and his determination to fix social
[01:06:46] care and tackle the devastating impacts of dementia on
[01:06:49] sufferers and their families. I hope we can work across
[01:06:53] the house to make that happen. Turing to the prime minister's words
[01:06:57] on Europe, Mr. Speaker, sucessors turned a blind
[01:07:01] eye to the disastrous consequences the conservatives brexit
[01:07:05] deal, so it's welcome to him recognize that
[01:07:08] damage today. we on these benches have consistently
[01:07:12] argued that their brexit deal has made us all poorer,
[01:07:16] weaker and less safe. so i'm glad the prime minister has arrived
[01:07:20] at the same conclusion as we have, but now it's time
[01:07:23] to do something about it. so the test the prime
[01:07:27] minister's ambition is straightforward, if wants growth and if he wants to
[01:07:31] cut the cost of living, will he drop
[01:07:35] labor's red lines now, an open negotiations
[01:07:39] on joining the single market and customs union.
[01:07:43] because Mr. Speaker, it would be a real deriction of duty to refuse
[01:07:46] now to fix deal we know isn't
[01:07:49] working. Every day, every week, every month of
[01:07:53] delay means more unnecessary cost for British businesses, more
[01:07:57] pointless red tape, more pain for British
[01:08:00] families. Being outside negotiations on AI
[01:08:03] safety, made in Europe regulations, and migration
[01:08:07] agreements, does this country real harm?
[01:08:11] Fixing our relationship with? Europe is more important now than
[01:08:14] ever, especially a time when President Trump is
[01:08:18] waiting a trade war with Canada by signing new trade deal with
[01:08:22] Putin. Never before have we seen a US
[01:08:25] president so hostile to the UK and our allies and
[01:08:29] so friendly to our adversaries. We cannot afford
[01:08:33] to fudge or dodge on this issue, especially on
[01:08:36] Ukraine. So will the prime minister bring together a coalition
[01:08:40] the willing behind a joint. statement, condemning
[01:08:44] Trump's diesel deal with Russia and calling on him to
[01:08:47] cancel it. Finally, Mr. Speaker, on the prime minister's
[01:08:51] comments about Russian interference in the Brexit
[01:08:54] referendum. That took courage after the conservatives have spent
[01:08:58] so long, suppressing the evidence. So will he now
[01:09:02] present it to the house in full alongside any evidence
[01:09:06] of interference in other UK votes, so we can
[01:09:09] understand the threats and make it national secure.
[01:09:12] priority to protect our democracy from attacks like
[01:09:16] that. prime minister, but can I
[01:09:20] thank the right honorable gentlemen for his kind words uh about
[01:09:24] my about my dad, they are much appreciated, Mr.
[01:09:27] Speaker, and can I agree with him in the way he
[01:09:31] presented the harm done to food and farming and other
[01:09:35] industries by the Brexit deal, it would seem that the
[01:09:38] party opposite is in denial about and not open. to
[01:09:42] seeing how we can move forward to better position uh
[01:09:46] for the country and indeed it's clear that British
[01:09:50] public opinion has moved and I believe the public would
[01:09:53] now favor we are not ideological but
[01:09:57] pragmatic taking steps to support
[01:10:00] growth and improve our approach uh
[01:10:03] to um to tackling my irregular migration
[01:10:07] so I hope I can count on his
[01:10:11] and his colleagues. if we can secure a good
[01:10:15] deal when this comes before the house, what I can't
[01:10:19] do as much as I want to improve growth in the UK, I also want to
[01:10:22] maintain trust in politics and I'm afraid I'm not prepared to
[01:10:26] revisit the red lines in our our
[01:10:29] manifesto uh on Ukraine, I have had
[01:10:33] discussions uh with Chancellor Murtz about bringing forward a
[01:10:36] meeting the coalition
[01:10:38] the willing and I can update the house further as that as that proceeds.
[01:10:42] and and finally on um the Brexit
[01:10:46] referendum uh Mr. Speaker, I think it's really important in this
[01:10:50] moment to be to be open uh with people about everything that
[01:10:53] we've that we've lived through uh in in the last uh decade.
[01:10:57] I have been open, but I am also making sure that Britain is a
[01:11:01] position where we do not face the same again and I hope
[01:11:05] he too and his colleagues will support the new National Center for Information
[01:11:09] Defense so that Britain never again faces... the risk
[01:11:12] of interference in our democratic process, thank you, mr.
[01:11:16] speaker, prime
[01:11:18] minister on what's been a flying start on
[01:11:19] the world stage, and can I commend
[01:11:23] news of better, stronger deal with Europe that will cut costs
[01:11:27] and cut bills the that liberal
[01:11:29] leader liberal the democrats for now, at
[01:11:32] least, putting his question to the prime minister Andy
[01:11:36] Burnham, couldn't believe his luck, at the same time his goose has been cut,
[01:11:40] because all of sudden the liberal democrat. "aren't the party have rejoined, the labor
[01:11:44] party appear to be wearing their clothes, where is thatly the liberal
[01:11:47] democrats out in the cold, you might say, but Ed Davy raised a question
[01:11:51] there, raised also by Kemy Bad, the leader the
[01:11:55] opposition, it's namely this to paraphrase the pair them together, Addy
[01:11:59] Burnham, if you have evidence, tangible,
[01:12:03] hard evidence of Russian interference in the Brexit referendum that had
[01:12:07] meaningful impact on the outcome the referendum, show us your
[01:12:10] medals, let's see..." that evidence, because I put it to
[01:12:14] you again, viewers and listeners, I put it to you again, prime
[01:12:18] minister, everybody out there in the political class, if this
[01:12:22] evidence has existed so far, it's yet to been pulled out of a
[01:12:25] hat, a Kremlin marked fur hat,
[01:12:28] nothing, there's been report showing there a few tweets, there's not not
[01:12:32] a single cintiller of actual
[01:12:36] evidence that the through put was that people marched like
[01:12:40] kremling robots to the referendum and uh Brexit,
[01:12:44] because Vladimir Putin was telling them, we've gone from project
[01:12:47] fear, Kate to project fantasy,
[01:12:51] absolutely, and the fantasy top was the fact that -
[01:12:55] 'we rejoin the European Union
[01:12:56] as if by magic will grow, well grow like jack's bean
[01:13:00] stalk, well we didn't, we didn't grow when we were members, well I was glad that
[01:13:04] he he actually was pushed on the whole question of
[01:13:07] evidence on on on the Russian involvement,
[01:13:11] you now I spoke at rallies all over the country, particularly in
[01:13:15] in leave areas and in to labor voters
[01:13:18] and the idea that somebody those sort of thousand people in
[01:13:22] big rooms were sort of sitting there you know being'. 'oh well, you know,
[01:13:26] we have to listen to what the Putin's saying, I mean the whole thing
[01:13:29] just doesn't add up, and it's clear that is a big, big diversion,
[01:13:33] and I also think this whole idea about public opinion changing, you
[01:13:37] know, makerfield by-election wasn't that long ago, is he
[01:13:41] really saying
[01:13:41] that when he made that commitment about the European Union, that the
[01:13:45] public opinion has changed so much since he became prime minister, I
[01:13:49] mean the whole thing is just is is, and of course the final thing which
[01:13:53] I feel very strongly about is "the whole question of growth, I mean there's no
[01:13:56] idea of how joining the EU again, and
[01:14:00] even with this deal, which if they get in in in November,
[01:14:04] how that actually will make us grow
[01:14:08] when businesses, particularly small businesses are being absolutely
[01:14:12] hammered, there's no suggestion about reducing national insurance, but
[01:14:15] doing all the things that we know have made businesses so
[01:14:19] so hard to actually operate and so many them going out of
[01:14:22] business, so um..." It's it's
[01:14:26] um, well let's say the word fallacy and the
[01:14:30] word um, I think he's trying to convince the public that he
[01:14:34] really understands the European Union, and I don't think
[01:14:38] he does, I really do think he's going to find
[01:14:40] it very, very different when he goes there in November. Thank you very much, Kate, stick
[01:14:44] with us, let's get my next guest in now, it's the director of UK
[01:14:48] EU Coalition, Mike Buckley, Mike, Mike Buckley, we can
[01:14:52] hear here the Prime Minister Andy Burnham still taking. questions giving
[01:14:55] answers, let's start if we could with the growth
[01:14:59] figures the prime minister gave up today, apparently all of this new
[01:15:03] deal with the European Union, which hasn't been done yet, but we understand will start to be
[01:15:07] negotiated at the Brussels summit on the 20th of November, well
[01:15:10] add one would have 10 billion pounds the UK economy by
[01:15:14] 2040, how well that sounds perfectly reasonable,
[01:15:18] well I mean I've used this analogy on on your show I think before, so I mean if you think about Russia
[01:15:22] since the invaded Ukraine we've put sanctions. the we've made it more difficult for them
[01:15:26] to trade with other countries because we want to harm their economy, but where we left
[01:15:30] the EU, we put sanctions on ourselves, we raised trade barriers between us
[01:15:34] and our biggest market, which is increased costs for all our businesses, big
[01:15:37] businesses, small businesses, they're paying hundreds, 10 thousand,
[01:15:41] thousands or millions of pounds depending on the side the business to to trade with the
[01:15:45] European Union, which they didn't have to do before, when we were in the EU, this is the beauty the
[01:15:49] single market, they could trade with with Denmark and with Germany just as easy, they
[01:15:53] could trade with Newcastle or Edinburgh. and by putting trade barriers
[01:15:56] up our own choice when we left the European Union, we made trade for
[01:16:00] British businesses much, much more expensive, some them have had to stop trading because it
[01:16:04] was too expensive or too complicated, particularly smaller and medium-sized
[01:16:08] businesses, bigger businesses are paying no costs, but that means their profit
[01:16:12] is lower, they they have to pay lower wages or employ fewer people, so taking
[01:16:15] away those trade barriers is the major thing that's going to improve our economic growth over
[01:16:19] the next few years, and you number of you mentioned the fact there's no evidence,
[01:16:23] but there there's acres of evi
[01:16:29] Mike, if if we going
[01:16:30] to have a two and throw rather than you go into a monologue, that'd be good, no, you go
[01:16:34] ahead, let's let's look at the evidence shall we, because
[01:16:37] I think that's important, Britain's growth has been feable and it's been
[01:16:41] annihilated by COVID, lot of people on that in that chamber there,
[01:16:45] I don't have to talk about that, because they all willed it along, they wanted lockdowns harder,
[01:16:49] sooner and longer, they'd annihilated our economy a way that Brexit didn't touch it, now let's turn
[01:16:53] to Brexit, if rejoin. as magic bullet to
[01:16:57] suddenly conjure up 10 billion pounds of growth, how come the UK economy which has
[01:17:01] been feable as outperform Germany, as outperformed France
[01:17:04] has outperformed Italy, was that because of
[01:17:07] Brexit? well, you refer to COVID, but I mean that's a couple of years over the
[01:17:11] last decade, and indeed our economic trouble started pretty much the day after the referendum
[01:17:15] vote, because economists and the bond markets and in companies that
[01:17:19] would invest in the UK or would have done, they looked at the UK after that and thought this
[01:17:22] economy is going to be smaller, so we're going...
[01:17:28] so even the effects of COVID were because of Brexit, got you? No,
[01:17:32] no, no, that's not what I said, I said that was two years out of 10 years, but
[01:17:35] the economic impact on the UK started the day after the vote in 2016,
[01:17:39] COVID was 2020, it ended pretty much in 2021 or 2022,
[01:17:43] so the majority the impact that you're looking at is Brexit related rather than COVID
[01:17:47] related, and bear in mind the whole of Europe went through COVID as well, now you refer to the
[01:17:51] German economy, the French economy, some the economys in Europe are doing...
[01:17:55] spectacularly well, you look at Poland, you look a lot of eastern Europe, you look at Spain,
[01:17:59] lot these economies are doing very, very well, some them aren't doing so well, but that's not
[01:18:03] because they're members the European Union, it's for other reasons, for
[01:18:05] example making for
[01:18:07] investment choices. or in the German case spending too long to bivot towards
[01:18:10] electric vehicles for example and being overtaken by Chinese vehicles which
[01:18:14] they now attempting can we turn next Mike
[01:18:17] to the Kremlin I believe it's one the
[01:18:21] biggest if not the biggest Romaniac fantasies them all the
[01:18:25] notion that 17.4 million people didn't have clue what they were voting for
[01:18:29] it must have been a bus it must have been Vladimir Putin must have been a few
[01:18:32] chat bots Kemy Beadenock Ed Davy myself
[01:18:36] many people. Kate howeey from the Brexit side saying today, Andy
[01:18:40] Burn, if you've got evidence that there was tangible
[01:18:44] proof that people's votes were impacted by the Kremlin, show
[01:18:48] us, otherwise it's project
[01:18:50] fantasy, it's a grave over
[01:18:53] statement, I mean Andy said that Russia had interfered in the referendum, there was that
[01:18:57] that was talked about at the time,
[01:18:59] investigation, no it wasn't proven to be solved,
[01:19:03] investigation was done but the data was never released by the conservative government of.
[01:19:07] 'I don't, I don't know if Andy Bowen will release the data or not, I hope that he does
[01:19:11] to make this conversation irrelevant, I hope that this some of this data at least is
[01:19:15] released into the public domain so that we can know, I think that would be important, but it is
[01:19:19] certainly the case that Russia was seen to interven in people's
[01:19:23] elections at the time, investigation was done in the US after Trump's first election, it was in the
[01:19:27] best interest the remain side to propagate that fantasy,
[01:19:30] because it would it would take away the agency, the British electorate who actually
[01:19:34] looked at all the evidence and thought you know we'. want to be member the European Union
[01:19:38] anymore, but no, no, we can't have it that way, it has to be butters, it has to be lies,
[01:19:42] it has to be an ideal pharoge poster, has to be vladimir putin,
[01:19:46] the romain side never accepted the result and the prime minister to this day won't
[01:19:50] accept it either, that's the point, you all think you know better than the
[01:19:54] 17.4 million, in fact in reality the prime minister has accepted
[01:19:58] the the legitimacy the results today, so he's been very
[01:20:01] clear, it was legitimate result, more people voted to leave them to stay in and so we
[01:20:05] left, that was democratically the correct? thing to do, but number of years now into
[01:20:09] that reality, we can now ask the question, look at the evidence, has this been
[01:20:13] good for the UK or has it been bad, and as Andy said at labour party
[01:20:17] conference, it's caused more harm than good to our country, and
[01:20:20] it is indeed, as he was saying today also, it would be
[01:20:23] a derection of duty for him and his government not to address that fact, every
[01:20:27] government the day needs to you, live in the reality the situation is the
[01:20:30] time, the reality today is that our country is a worse off position than we were
[01:20:34] when we were members the European Union, fixing that problem. lands on
[01:20:38] his on it's his responsibility now as leader the UK
[01:20:41] and all right mike one
[01:20:45] final question I'd like I'd appreciate a one word answer if I
[01:20:48] could do you think Andy Buren was positioned today to have a
[01:20:52] summit with Brexit and look
[01:20:54] at with Brussils beg you pardon and look at all referend all options on the
[01:20:58] table including a potential referendum to rejoin does that past the
[01:21:02] maker field test yes or no
[01:21:05] yes.
[01:21:09] now how does it not pass the makerfield test? the makerfield the electoral
[01:21:13] tried he wouldn't revisit the brexit referendum. no he didn't. when
[01:21:17] he was when he was asked during the makerfield by election, and i know this buse i spent
[01:21:21] lot of time in makerfield, he was asked about brexit in the EU and he said that is
[01:21:24] debate for another time. that was not him
[01:21:27] saying the UK. he was saying that
[01:21:31] he didn't want to go into it a great level of detail during that referendum. mean
[01:21:34] i will add because i have done constituency level. polling on Brexit
[01:21:38] in the specific constituency of Makerfields and did that during his
[01:21:41] by-election, that shows the same results as everywhere else in the UK, the
[01:21:45] majority of people in Makerfield realize that Brexit doesn't work, the majority of people
[01:21:49] in Makerfield want closer relat relationship potentially including
[01:21:53] rejoin, the people of Makerfield are not some cabal of leave voters who
[01:21:56] are still clamoring to stay out the EU, they want better life and and if
[01:22:00] being having closer relationships the EU will facilitate that then that's what they want, just
[01:22:04] like the vast majority of people in this country. Okay, Mike Buckley,
[01:22:08] I always appreciate our debates, I do, the director of UK EU Coalition,
[01:22:12] Mike Buckley, thank you very much, now still plenty
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[01:22:19] Minister's pledge for closer relationship with the European Union, despite saying
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[01:25:37] welcome back 25 past four is your time. kate is here, she's fighting, the
[01:25:41] prime minister today has unveiled series of measures aimed as bringing Britain
[01:25:45] closer to its European partners in Brussels. here he is speaking
[01:25:49] in the chamber, House of Commons a short while ago. Open to
[01:25:53] discussion about our relationship with the EU in the
[01:25:56] longer term. If we are serious,
[01:26:00] if we are serious about promoting
[01:26:04] growth, controlling immigration, upholding
[01:26:08] our values and security. It is a conversation we
[01:26:12] must have. Sticking with the status
[01:26:15] quo is not good enough for
[01:26:18] Britain. worse, it would be major deriction of
[01:26:22] duty to turn away. We need to take a calm, clear eyed,
[01:26:26] rational look at the world as it is today, to consider what is best
[01:26:29] for our country. Our immediate priority is securing
[01:26:33] successful outcome at the summit, and I believe we should then set up
[01:26:37] serious dialogue about the different options for our relationship in the long
[01:26:41] term. This is the leadership we need to draw a
[01:26:44] decade, to draw a line a decade of drift and
[01:26:48] division and take the country.
[01:26:50] forward, can anybody here else here the
[01:26:54] screen of u-turn that says dharma would be proud of?
[01:26:58] less we forget on the campaign trail in makafield, Andy Burdam said he had no
[01:27:01] desire to revisit the referendum, now here we are, a
[01:27:05] summit with Brussels on November the 20th, and
[01:27:08] clearly Andy Burnham will have red rose between his
[01:27:12] teeth. Let's now speak with the historian and the author Robert
[01:27:16] Tooms. Robert, I don't about you, I think that's the mother of all you. turns
[01:27:20] one that Skeast Armor would be proud of. Let's talk about the details, shall
[01:27:24] we? Apparently this deal that hasn't been done yet a
[01:27:27] conference that hasn't happened yet, will feature a 10
[01:27:31] billion pound bonus for Britain. How could you not resist
[01:27:34] that? Uh, well, if it's only 10 billion pounds, it's a lot
[01:27:38] less than the 30 billion pounds would be paying into the EU budget, so that's
[01:27:42] a minus 20 billion result of this
[01:27:45] negotiation. I mean, if if I could believe what Kies Dama
[01:27:49] says, sorry, about what Burnham says, about taking
[01:27:53] a careful look at the evidence and all the rest? well, I'd say yes,
[01:27:56] let's do that, but I don't for moment think that that's what he'll do,
[01:28:00] uh, there's there's never any detail, there's never any examination
[01:28:04] the facts, all there is is this waffly language about
[01:28:08] getting closer to Europe, and we know what that means, it means making
[01:28:12] concessions to Europe, because that's what this government does, sort of chagos
[01:28:15] deal, but a European level, uh, giving away a lot more money and...
[01:28:20] very very little in return, that's what we can expect from the labor
[01:28:24] party initiative on Europe. Robert, this
[01:28:28] feta comply has it was delivered today, doesn't have any detail
[01:28:32] the devil. is always in the detail and one the premium prizes that
[01:28:36] Brussels will want is freedom of movement. now they might call it a
[01:28:39] youth experience scheme, but you and i can smell the tiger in
[01:28:43] the reads there, that's open borders, it's freedom of movement, it might start
[01:28:47] with few thousand students, but where will it end? that's the point.
[01:28:51] if you negotiate with with Brazils a way that was perceived
[01:28:55] as turf like to david frost, but now you've got a
[01:28:59] bunch of people who want to rejoin the wrap
[01:29:01] us around their little fingers weren't they? 'yes, as they have done
[01:29:05] in the past, as you say, except when David Frost was in charge,
[01:29:09] that's what they were doing all the time, because um, we had no
[01:29:12] clear position, we had no, we had no determination, we were
[01:29:16] willing to concede at every point, um, I mean, Michelle
[01:29:20] Barnier, the the you may remember was the EU's negotiator, he says
[01:29:24] that in his memoirs, the British were never prepared, they didn't know what
[01:29:28] they want, and I think this is the same old story all over
[01:29:31] again'. "and I think in this case of course the as it was
[01:29:35] as was the case with Theresa
[01:29:38] May of of of of lamented memory as it were um Andy Burnham is desperate
[01:29:41] to be able to say he's got a deal to please the labor
[01:29:45] party and in order to do that he'll give he'll give away
[01:29:48] whatever the Europeans demand yeah Robert something else that
[01:29:52] came out the speech today was don't
[01:29:55] worry the polling will lead this the
[01:29:59] public will be the boss but then of course and" next breath the
[01:30:03] polling has changed, people have changed their minds, that could be something to do with
[01:30:07] the fact that in the mainstream media, in schools and universities
[01:30:10] probably everywhere, we've hardly heard a positive thing about Brexit for
[01:30:14] six years, now you could argue that's because the Brexit deal was pants, yeah
[01:30:18] Boris Johnson surrendered on things like fishing on
[01:30:22] immigration, but the fact the matter is we have a political
[01:30:26] class here that in 2016 Robert was probably
[01:30:29] 75% remaining, I reckon that chamber now is about '90%
[01:30:33] remain the political class, don't represent the working class
[01:30:36] once again. I'm afraid that's
[01:30:40] true. I mean, look, look at, I mean, polling, as you, as you know, depends
[01:30:44] very much on on the question that's asked. So if you ask people a sort
[01:30:48] of anadine question like, would you like better relations with our friends
[01:30:52] in Europe, of course every most people say yes, I i' probably say
[01:30:56] yes myself. If you were to say, would you, would you accept
[01:31:00] free movement, would you accept the euro?' would you be willing to pay
[01:31:03] 30 billion a year into the EU budget? you find that hardly
[01:31:07] anybody says yes, only few die hard rejoiners, but those
[01:31:11] are the that's not the sort of thing the government wants to hear, the government wants to ask
[01:31:15] the questions and it wants to interpret the answers, because that's
[01:31:19] what Andy Burnham thinks will keep the labour party together and
[01:31:23] attract voters from the greens and the lib dems, so it's just it's
[01:31:27] just a political game, I'm afraid. well, it's political
[01:31:31] game where democracy. self and the votes of 17.4 million, the
[01:31:35] biggest single electoral mandate in history has become yet
[01:31:38] another parliamentary parl game. i cannot believe we're doing this again, but we
[01:31:42] are. thank you very much today. never thought we would, we've seen
[01:31:46] it in other countries, we've seen it in other countries in Europe, as
[01:31:49] you know, when people have been told to vote again because they voted the wrong way, or
[01:31:53] their views were simply ignored, but never thought that could happen in Britain, but
[01:31:57] it looks as though that's what this government intends. i
[01:32:01] did, did. this had happened buse rain never stopped,
[01:32:05] romane never stopped even the day after the brexit referendum went through
[01:32:09] and i was on the stage there at parliament
[01:32:11] square, as big band struck struck
[01:32:15] 12, it's like remaine never slept, they never
[01:32:19] stopped and here we are, robert we have to move on being told got to get to
[01:32:22] the news and being told off once again, thanks for joining us today, appreciate your time,
[01:32:25] historian and you may take care, robert
[01:32:29] tombs panel please stick with me ' are we doing that? no, we're going
[01:32:33] to get to, we're going to get to our news now, I'm
[01:32:35] joined, we are doing to burn themselt, let's get
[01:32:38] it you is that Brexit has been
[01:32:42] damaging, but I also believe the last thing we should
[01:32:46] do right now is rerun those arguments. I am not
[01:32:49] proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect
[01:32:53] the decision that was made at the referendum, and it's going to undermine
[01:32:57] everything said, I've said about strengthening democracy, if we don't
[01:33:01] respect that vote. May
[01:33:05] 2026, that was Andy Burnham, yeah, that was Andy Burnham, the
[01:33:08] same person who just in chamber was saying Brexit's been a
[01:33:12] mistake, it's done more damage than good in May 2026,
[01:33:16] before he became prime minister when he was then media, the parliamentarian of
[01:33:20] Makerfield, saying it was not his intention
[01:33:24] to undermine the Brexit referendum, Nigel
[01:33:27] Nelson, there's only one word for
[01:33:29] that, liar. I think you need
[01:33:33] to actually look, look at exactly what he said on both
[01:33:37] occasions, back in May when he was in Makerfield and what he's just
[01:33:40] said in the House of Commons. The whole point is that he was talking.
[01:33:45] about not reopening the whole brexit debate now, he
[01:33:49] us, he used the word now, um,
[01:33:53] we're not talk, we are not talking about on November the
[01:33:56] 20th re-entering the EU, so we just
[01:34:00] pretend all the way through to the voters of Makerfield, we just spam
[01:34:03] them,
[01:34:06] gas l them, we change our mind five minutes later in parliament,
[01:34:09] that's what this is today, and you turn keers on would be proud
[01:34:12] of, if you just listen to... what he actually said, he was
[01:34:16] talking about the sub the EU Summit on November the
[01:34:19] 20th, and what should come out of that is closer
[01:34:23] relationship with Europe? he also said and answer to add
[01:34:26] Davy, which is really important, he's not revisiting the red lines,
[01:34:30] which is we won't accept uh the single market, single market rules which
[01:34:34] would lead to freedom of movement, we won't accept the customs union
[01:34:38] which will stop our free trade deals elsewhere.
[01:34:41] Nigel, that's what he's saying now, but what he said, to the
[01:34:45] people of Makerfield when he was trying to persuade them to elect him was that he's
[01:34:49] not proposing the UK considered rejoining the
[01:34:52] EU and it would undermine everything he said about
[01:34:56] strengthening democracy if he did not,
[01:34:58] he didn't say uh we're not proposing rejoining the
[01:35:02] EU right now, but we might do as soon we've had a general election which
[01:35:06] might be in December or might be next May or might be in two
[01:35:10] years time, and he wrote in the Times as well, should be focusing on our
[01:35:13] own domestic. issues fixing our underlying
[01:35:17] structural problems which have existed for decades and particularly since
[01:35:21] the financial crisis in 2008 since when we've had virtually no growth,
[01:35:25] we only brexited six years ago, yeah,
[01:35:29] but we're not, the whole thing is, you're talking as if we're about to
[01:35:32] rejoin next week, we're not, we are not, I don't think we'll rejoin
[01:35:36] at all, as I've already said, um, but we're certainly not going to do it next week, what we're
[01:35:40] doing is we're having a reset with Europe, and
[01:35:44] if and if it works out we will get a bit more growth and we
[01:35:48] will also be able
[01:35:49] to that well on on the base of that the the Andy burner was
[01:35:53] laughed at in chamber there he said this
[01:35:55] is a chance to cut bureaucracy and red tape for farmers
[01:35:58] everyone laughed at him how how was this prime minister help
[01:36:02] farmers suddenly going back in the European Union who want to chuck all
[01:36:06] their imports exports sorry into our country that's going to magically
[01:36:10] help British farmers Kate Holy people think we're born yesterday
[01:36:14] well. 'I don't, I think Andy Burnham must think that we're all rather
[01:36:18] gullible, because the reality is that um, you know, in terms
[01:36:22] of helping farmers, farmers have were desperate to get
[01:36:26] out the European Union, yes, of course it hasn't everything hasn't worked out
[01:36:30] as perhaps we would have like, but you
[01:36:31] know the reality is that unless you have a government in power who actually
[01:36:35] believes in leaving the EU properly, who believes that
[01:36:39] actually we're better to have our own sovereignty, he believes that we're better to be able to make our
[01:36:43] own rules and cooperate'. where it's necessary, unless we
[01:36:47] get that, we are never going to get the kind of
[01:36:51] brexit that all of us who come in for it wanted, and I
[01:36:54] mean, my only hope is, cuz you want to be hopeful, particularly to all
[01:36:58] those levers out there who must be feeling pretty miserable today when they've seen
[01:37:02] how Andy Burnam has has
[01:37:05] changed, that that we have two political parties
[01:37:09] now vying
[01:37:10] to be, I would have thought to be leading the campaign to stay out the Europe.
[01:37:15] union, conservatives and reform, now the
[01:37:18] conservatives screwed up massively in how we left, and
[01:37:22] reform now has to show that they are a serious
[01:37:26] party that can actually believe, well we know they believe in it,
[01:37:30] but
[01:37:31] we we can't rely on labor to do anything other than get us back in as
[01:37:35] quickly as possible. katherine forser, in terms the
[01:37:38] negotiations of lord david
[01:37:41] frost, he was called frosty. no
[01:37:45] man, his job was to say
[01:37:48] men not to michelle barnier, mean you could argue he didn't say no
[01:37:52] strong enough on things like fishing, but that ship has
[01:37:56] sailed, but if we're negotiating with Brussels now with a prime
[01:38:00] minister who said is his stated aim within his lifetime
[01:38:03] to rejoin, this is like negotiating with a burgler about
[01:38:07] how much silver they take out with the yeah, mean let's face it, they
[01:38:11] the European union were incredibly upset that we want wanted
[01:38:15] to go, they were going to make it difficult for us because they wanted to make an
[01:38:19] example of us so that other country would be so silly to do the
[01:38:23] same thing, but if uh labor and the libdems put it
[01:38:27] a manifesto that we'll start talks about
[01:38:29] rejoining, um, well we're just
[01:38:33] lying down and inviting the European Union surely to walk all over
[01:38:37] us, I mean what would the terms be, I can't see how
[01:38:41] people can really know whether or not we should rejoin until we know...
[01:38:45] does that mean taking the euro? does that mean accepting we're part the Shengen? what is it
[01:38:49] going to cost us? we we don't know any of those
[01:38:51] things we listening to Richard
[01:38:54] Ty. diplomatic
[01:38:58] immunity, well
[01:39:01] i hope uh the honorable gentlemen will understand that i am not going to
[01:39:05] uh get into those matters on the floor of this house, the home
[01:39:09] secretary uh will make a statement later today and we'll
[01:39:12] provide more detail dr
[01:39:16] ruper from we just missed what what richard ty said there
[01:39:20] we'll dig that out play it back to see what richard ty he's the only reformer who's been
[01:39:24] called to their feet since the debate started you think the get a break
[01:39:28] to tear on their feet,
[01:39:29] but look, the live debate is raging on and there's a second debate
[01:39:33] elsewhere about petition to rejoin, they're on maneuvers, and thirdly
[01:39:37] Shabana Mahmoud, the home secretary is set to speak, we believe in about under an
[01:39:40] hour's time national security and situation around Nigel
[01:39:44] Farage and Ann Widdeckham and the terror threats
[01:39:47] they've faced so far, thanks baranisk howeey, thank you Katherine,
[01:39:51] thank you Nigel, please stick with us till five playing more to come to reaction, the prime
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[01:43:06] well combat time is 4:42 with me martin here on GB News. the prime
[01:43:10] minister Andy Burnam has unveiled series of measures aimed to bring in Britain
[01:43:14] closer to its European budies there in Brussels and remind
[01:43:18] ourselves of what the conservative leader Kemy Beadenock said regarding the prime minister's
[01:43:22] plans to cozy up with the EU. here he
[01:43:25] is unpicking the deal. "this country signed with the EU
[01:43:29] decade after the referendum, he is not going to get
[01:43:33] better deal, the EU are tough
[01:43:36] negotiators, and Mr. Speaker, it's not just that the EU are
[01:43:40] tough negotiators, he has already revealed his entire
[01:43:44] negotiating hand, he has just blurted out everything he wants
[01:43:48] in this statement, and I will tell you, tell him now, Mr. Speaker, as
[01:43:52] a former trade secretary, this is not how you conduct
[01:43:55] negotiations. That's g ball there telling
[01:43:59] Andy Burnham how to negotiate with Brussils Baroness Kate Toy
[01:44:03] of course one the big beats of Brexit to have you in the studio today do you
[01:44:07] think the Conservatives can really get on their high hours about? negotiating with
[01:44:10] Brasil, well I'm just thinking that when Kemy B had power, she actually
[01:44:14] refused to get rid of lot the EU laws, do remember we were
[01:44:18] having a bill that was going to go through that was going to like get rid of all
[01:44:22] them, well not all them, but most them right away, and she stopped
[01:44:26] that uh and rode back on it, so you
[01:44:30] know none the conservatives really, apart from those who were
[01:44:33] absolutely committed and involved in campaigning for
[01:44:37] leave can actually hold up to say, that
[01:44:40] you know they've they've got record that's worth um worth
[01:44:44] um no pushing, but I mean to be fair, I i think some
[01:44:48] the statements she's made more recently have been very, very strong,
[01:44:52] and I think
[01:44:53] we have to, we can't keep just going on about the you know
[01:44:57] the the Boris Wave and all of that, because now they are
[01:45:00] supposedly committed to to -
[01:45:04] reversing that, um, I, I thought, I, I didn't, I was a bit
[01:45:08] disappointed in her today, actually, I thought she's would be stronger and and
[01:45:11] more, take on Andy, burn more. I think that
[01:45:15] there's um, still that, because they're both, he's new, and I
[01:45:19] think she's been trying to kind of be a bit nicer, perhaps this new
[01:45:23] politics that they keep talking about, which never happens politics.
[01:45:26] I want to bring you in if I could for a quick nibble before the break, brexit's back on the
[01:45:30] menu, front and square, it is,
[01:45:34] and if that's the case, if we are going to
[01:45:38] a potential general election. where Andy Burnham says all options on the table, then that
[01:45:42] would draw the remain, the rejoin vote. Is this a gift for
[01:45:46] Nigel Farage, is this presenting him with the opportunity to be
[01:45:49] Mr. Brexit again or is that a battle that's kind of now been
[01:45:53] fought, and well my view is we've had, it has
[01:45:57] been fought and we're not going back in, um, and that is not what
[01:46:01] Andy Burnem was talking about at the moment, it may be that as the
[01:46:05] negotiations go on wel see
[01:46:07] some great deal coming from Europe. I don't believe it, you don't believe
[01:46:11] it, Kate certainly doesn't believe it, the moment what we're talking about
[01:46:15] is reset with Europe, and when Kate was talking about um, the fact
[01:46:18] we never got rid of all EU laws, it just shows how
[01:46:22] little thought we ever put into Brexit, because laws were
[01:46:26] too tied up with British law, seat belt law for example,
[01:46:29] half EU, half it's British, it was impossible to
[01:46:33] disentangle it, which is why Kemy better not did what she did, yeah, and to
[01:46:37] use that analogy, that's why the whole thing was the car crack.
[01:46:40] 'sovereignty was about uncoupling completely
[01:46:44] unbuckle from brussels, mean we didn't have a leadership that that
[01:46:48] had enough confidence in our own country to actually do
[01:46:52] those really really difficult things, which would have been to say, yep, sorry,
[01:46:55] but that's it, and we're going to now start our own of being able to be
[01:46:59] confident about what we do ourselves and not rely on on on
[01:47:03] on on the rest the EU. okay, thank you very much indeed for now, stick with us because there plenty
[01:47:07] more come, more reaction to the prime minister's pledge for cl'. relationship with the
[01:47:10] European Union, but next will be live in the Falkland Islands with our man Mark
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[01:50:26] Welcome back, time is 10-5 with me Martin Dolby here on GB News, now the
[01:50:30] Brexit battle is fully on, made no mistake,
[01:50:34] Andy Burnham laid out the terms, I believe of a future
[01:50:38] campaign to rejoin the European Union today on the chamber flow, been joined by Catherine
[01:50:42] Forster and Nigel Nelson, Katherine, you draw drawn to my
[01:50:45] attention, um, while we were debating here in the
[01:50:49] studio, some questions were raised by labour party back benchers.
[01:50:52] about freedom of movement, yes, so Jonathan Hinder and
[01:50:56] Melanie on two uh red wall labor MPs asked the
[01:51:00] prime minister if he could assure them that there wouldn't be no
[01:51:04] freedom of movement, now he didn't give uh a proper answer
[01:51:08] to Jonathan Hinder, but then to Melanie on, he did
[01:51:12] say um the red lines the manifesto remain in place,
[01:51:16] which of course is that we stay outside the EU, no return
[01:51:20] to uh the single market, the... union or
[01:51:23] freedom of movement um, but the thing is he is
[01:51:26] setting, he's setting out that he's ruling
[01:51:30] nothing out, as he said a couple of weeks ago, we could go all the way
[01:51:34] back in, so okay, he's ruling out for this
[01:51:38] parliament, even when he calls that general election, and some speculation it could
[01:51:42] be december, let's hope not, um, they could be very
[01:51:46] different red lines which could leave everything uh on the table, so who
[01:51:49] knows uh where we're going, but it's such a... change from his
[01:51:53] language during Makerfield which was all about, we're not going to reopen this. Niger
[01:51:57] Nelson, my analysis the entire labor party now. I think
[01:52:01] there are 10, 10 labor MPs that
[01:52:05] now presently support Brexit in any capacity. Graham Stringer
[01:52:09] is the grandfather of Brexit in the party, he's the only remaining
[01:52:12] 2016 parliamentarian who actually backed Brexit. The
[01:52:16] parliamentary labour party is stuff to the guills with
[01:52:20] remainers, rejoiners. euro
[01:52:23] files, the red lines Andy Burnham talks about now
[01:52:27] will soon become blue and gold lines,
[01:52:30] direction of travelers, the labour party wants to rejoin, well th those
[01:52:34] red lines stay as long as the manifesto does, which means
[01:52:38] it means until we get to a general election, there we go, do you think this this
[01:52:42] a public consultation, a conversation, dress it up how
[01:52:46] you like, will be on the electoral ticket for for the labor party, I do, well it might
[01:52:49] be, but we're looking at 2029 at the moment, well we
[01:52:53] well the idea that he would call an election uh now and
[01:52:57] throw away 166 majority i think is for the
[01:53:01] birds
[01:53:01] but he can't do anything for three he's he's locked into a manifesto he
[01:53:05] clearly doesn't want if he goes to election earlier he might have a smaller majority but
[01:53:09] have five years of power to suckle up to the buzm of well if he could
[01:53:13] win I mean that no prime minister calls an election unless they think they
[01:53:17] can win it um under the present polling Andy burnan would end up with a
[01:53:21] coalition with the lib dems and with the
[01:53:24] SMP and what do they all have in common? well, they all want to rejoin the European
[01:53:28] Union, they get the full block support, but
[01:53:32] we first of all get past 20th of November when we actually
[01:53:36] when we have the EU Summit and find out what comes from that.
[01:53:40] he's probab promising us 10 billion billion pounds worth of
[01:53:43] growth, there are business leaders feel the same way.
[01:53:47] let's see if it happens, but at the moment all we're talking about is getting
[01:53:51] closer relations with Europe to get rid the cost of border
[01:53:55] controls, many people out there in Brexit
[01:53:58] land, in the red wall, in GB Newslands will think
[01:54:02] there's only one word for this: betrayal,
[01:54:06] the betrayal of Brexit, the Brexit, that
[01:54:10] man our prime minister, then the the MP for Makerfield or the
[01:54:14] candidate for Makerfield, you previously that had said it's his lifetime
[01:54:18] ambition to rejoin the European Union, now prime minister, will that
[01:54:22] ambition? overtake him, is that now going to be on the
[01:54:26] electoral ticket to rejoin the European Union, or at least have a
[01:54:30] full conversation about all options, has Brexit been
[01:54:33] betrayed? As Britain heads for another
[01:54:37] conversation, a summit with the European Union. That's next here on GB
[01:54:41] News.
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[01:55:41] Scotland by Dawn a good part of England and Wales will be dry through the
[01:55:44] night, very mild night with temperatures many places holding
[01:55:48] up into the teens, could be quite a wet and windy start then across eastern
[01:55:52] Scotland, first thing Tuesday morning, showers coming into
[01:55:56] the west, wet starts across the borders and down across into northwest
[01:56:00] England, could be some heavy rain around in the greater Manchester area
[01:56:04] too and... of bright spells and showers for northern Ireland through the morning, that
[01:56:08] line of rain working its way across England through the morning, so again
[01:56:12] could be a wet start in around the Birmingham area, generally dry start in
[01:56:16] East Anglia and the southeast, but that rain will move through, we need the rain here of
[01:56:20] course, not going to last too long though, should be pretty much gone
[01:56:24] by first part the afternoon, then sunnier skies will follow, so many places
[01:56:28] across the south having a sunny Tuesday afternoon, further north there'll be sunny
[01:56:31] spells, but there will also be showers and fairly... dusty wind
[01:56:35] as well, but temperatures well above average, particularly in the southeast, we could
[01:56:39] sneak up to 22 degrees celsius. it will be a cool
[01:56:43] tonight, tuesday night into wednesday morning, generally
[01:56:47] fine day, could be some mist early on, maybe one or two showers across wells and
[01:56:51] southwest England, but then some more wet and very windy weather comes into the
[01:56:54] northwest later on.
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[02:00:21] the Molton Darby show here on GB News broadcasting for you all the
[02:00:24] way through until six cracking show awaits Brexit back
[02:00:28] on the menu open to discussion
[02:00:32] about our relationship with the EU in the longer
[02:00:35] term. the prime minister Andy Burnam today has told
[02:00:39] members of parliament the status quo is not good enough for Britain
[02:00:43] as he confirmed to members of parliament he will seek a closer
[02:00:47] relationship with the European Union, a summit with earth von
[02:00:51] Daleian in November and a love letter to Brussels and
[02:00:55] red rose between the prime minister's teeth with reaction to
[02:00:58] this huge breaking news story. We have no
[02:01:02] idea of who is here, there are too many people here
[02:01:06] who frankly should not be here. We need time to sort
[02:01:09] out the mess. Today Reform UK issued
[02:01:13] a dire warning to voters in Britain stating Britain won't.
[02:01:17] exist without deportations to combat the so-called invasion,
[02:01:21] as Nigel Farage but it, Mr. Farage threatened a five-year
[02:01:25] blockade on all asylum claims, immediate mass deportations of
[02:01:29] 90,000 people, and a visa and trade war with
[02:01:33] nations who won't play ball, including Pakistan. This
[02:01:36] reforms most radical plan yet, but is it a step too
[02:01:40] far? Well, for people in the UK,
[02:01:44] they can of course be forgiven for thinking the Falkland's war. was
[02:01:48] over in 1982, but if you come here to the islands and you
[02:01:51] speak to local people, they will tell you very different
[02:01:55] story. and then a GB news exclusive from our
[02:01:58] man there, Marco Blanco, islanders on the Falklands have extended
[02:02:02] invitation to the U.S. president Donald Trump to visit the
[02:02:06] archipelago and see for himself how supremely
[02:02:09] proudly British they all are. That's all coming up in your next
[02:02:12] hour.
[02:02:21] 'the battle for Brexit is well and truly
[02:02:25] on. In Chamber a short while ago, the prime minister Andy
[02:02:29] Burnham sent a love letter to Brussels, red rose the labour
[02:02:32] party between his teeth, a conference, a summit with Ursola
[02:02:36] Von delayan set for November the 20th. We were told there's nothing to worry
[02:02:40] about, this isn't about betraying Brexit at all,
[02:02:44] instead it will be a 10 billion pound boost to the'. economy by
[02:02:48] 2040, how we weren't told, there was no detail, we were
[02:02:52] told though that it will boost UK growth, growth, it will help control
[02:02:55] illegal immigration, like the Europe, the continent of Europe can
[02:02:59] even do that itself, there will be
[02:03:02] cheaper energy corporation, there will be a youth
[02:03:06] experience, that means freedom of movement, andy
[02:03:10] burnham on the campaign trail in Makerfield said he would not
[02:03:14] dishonor the Brexit vote or go back... his
[02:03:18] word, despite the fact he said, in opposition it was his
[02:03:21] lifetimes goal to re-enter, rejoin the European
[02:03:24] Union, now he's the prime minister, will that goal become his
[02:03:28] dream, will his dream become a nightmare for
[02:03:32] 17.4 million brexiteers, once again a parliamentary class
[02:03:35] thinking, they know better, they
[02:03:38] want us to roll the dice again, and this time will they be waited in
[02:03:41] favor of Brussils, get into
[02:03:45] gnews.com/yorsay is a way... do so or scan the QR code on your
[02:03:49] screens now, what a day, Brexit, back on, but here's
[02:03:52] Bethany
[02:03:53] Elsey,
[02:04:00] Martin, thank you, your top stories from the GB news room at 3 minutes past
[02:04:04] five. Andy Burnam will use key UK EU summit next
[02:04:08] month to push for new post Brexit deals with the block as
[02:04:12] he insists the status quo is not good enough for Britain.
[02:04:16] The two sides will seek to... sign new food and drink agreement,
[02:04:19] a youth mobility scheme, and pact on emissions trading,
[02:04:23] which the prime minister hopes could provide a 10 billion pound boost to the
[02:04:27] economy. addressing the commons, he told MPs it would be a
[02:04:31] dereliction of duty not to seek a deeper partnership with the
[02:04:35] European Union, but said the British public will be the boss at
[02:04:38] every stage of renegotiating the
[02:04:41] relationship. Andy Burnam says it's
[02:04:44] inconceivable to think Russia had sought to interfere in
[02:04:48] the Brexit referendum. The Prime Minister has faced backlash over his
[02:04:52] suggestion that Moscow tried to influence the vote, but
[02:04:56] he insists he was not trying to question the legitimacy of... the
[02:05:00] 2016 referendum, the prime minister and other
[02:05:03] officials have since tried to clarify that any Russian interference
[02:05:07] was not successful in swaying the
[02:05:10] outcome. Meanwhile, the prime minister says the
[02:05:14] suspected terror plot at Raf Fairford was highly likely
[02:05:18] coordinated in Iran and almost certainly directed
[02:05:22] by the IRGC. The airbase in Glostershire has been used
[02:05:26] by US bombers to carry out strikes on Iran, but last week
[02:05:30] Following the incident, President Donald Trump removed all the
[02:05:33] planes. Six people have been arrested in relation to the incident, but
[02:05:37] all since released on bail. Nigel Farage
[02:05:41] has promised to introduce five-year ban on migrants being granted asylum,
[02:05:45] if Reform UK wins the next general election. At a press
[02:05:48] conference in Kent, he announced plans to shut down the asylum system
[02:05:52] for a full parliamentary term and deport around
[02:05:56] 90,00 people currently on the waiting list. So. "the
[02:06:00] public want action, not just a
[02:06:04] continual series of false promises, or
[02:06:08] the absolutely extraordinary current government
[02:06:11] line, well the numbers are coming down, so that's okay,
[02:06:14] then it's only 20,000 this year, so that's okay
[02:06:18] then, if I said to you decade ago, 20,00 people in the
[02:06:22] first nine months would be processed through the port of Dover,
[02:06:26] having come by Dingi, you literally wouldn't have believed me."
[02:06:31] The council responsible for licensing Yorkshire Wildlife Park where a
[02:06:35] man was killed by tiger has launched a health and safety
[02:06:38] investigation into the incident. The man entered the Tiger's enclosure
[02:06:42] on Saturday and despite the efforts of medical teams he was pronounced dead at
[02:06:46] the scene. The park remained closed today and confirmed the Tiger is
[02:06:50] safe and well and will not be
[02:06:52] uthenized. And a World War II
[02:06:55] veteran Henry Price Rice sorry has died at the age of
[02:06:59] 100. He served as a signalman on HMS
[02:07:02] Eastway, supplying men and equipment to various beaches as part
[02:07:06] the Normandy landings. He arrived at Junor Beach five days
[02:07:10] after D-Day. He received the legend the honor from the French
[02:07:13] government and had calls for schools to teach children
[02:07:17] more about the war. Previously speaking to GB News he was
[02:07:21] concerned history could repeat itself. How important
[02:07:25] is it to you that we remember all of our troops at
[02:07:29] the our troops? to risk their lives on that
[02:07:31] day, oh obviously it's most
[02:07:34] important, but having said that, why should
[02:07:38] i go different and say why are certain
[02:07:42] people in the world today having lived
[02:07:46] during this period, why are they trying to do it all
[02:07:50] over again? those
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[02:08:27] Thank you Bethany. The battle for Brexit is. well and
[02:08:30] truly on, because Andy Burnham, the prime minister today insisted that it
[02:08:34] would be a deroliction of duty to rule out forging
[02:08:38] closer ties with the European Union, a statement in the commons a short while
[02:08:42] ago, the prime minister told MPs the Britain should set a
[02:08:46] quotes serious dialogue with our European partners, take
[02:08:50] a little listen, open to discussion about our
[02:08:53] relationship with the EU in the longer term, if
[02:08:57] we are serious, We are
[02:09:01] serious about promoting growth,
[02:09:04] controlling immigration, upholding our values and
[02:09:08] security, it is a conversation we must
[02:09:11] have. Sticking with the status quo
[02:09:15] is not good enough for Britain, worse it
[02:09:19] would be major deriction of duty to turn away. We need
[02:09:23] to take a calm, clear eyed rational look at the world as it is today
[02:09:27] to consider what is best for our country. Our immediate
[02:09:31] priority is securing successful outcome at the summit and I
[02:09:35] believe we should then set up serious dialogue about the different options for our
[02:09:39] relationship in the long term. This is the leadership we need
[02:09:42] to draw a decade, to draw a line a decade
[02:09:46] of drift and division and take the country
[02:09:49] forward. A voila a brexit
[02:09:53] uturn to Kier Starmer would have been proud of. Conservative leader Keny
[02:09:57] bay wasted no time in blasting Burnham's.
[02:10:01] Here he is, unpicking the deal, this country signed with the
[02:10:04] EU decade after the referendum, he
[02:10:08] is not going to get better deal, the EU are
[02:10:12] tough. negotiators and Mr. Speaker, it's not just that the
[02:10:15] EU are tough negotiators, he has already revealed his entire
[02:10:19] negotiating hand, he has just blurted out everything he wants
[02:10:23] in this statement, and I will tell you, tell him now, Mr. Speaker, as
[02:10:27] a former trade sectory, this is not how you conduct
[02:10:30] negotiations. Is this a brexit
[02:10:34] betrayal, and is the prime minister going back on his word, well let's remind
[02:10:38] ourselves the previous statements from Andy Burnham on Brexit in
[02:10:41] May, 2026 before he became the prime minister.
[02:10:45] my view is that Brexit has been damaging, but I
[02:10:49] also believe the last thing we should do right now is
[02:10:53] rerun those arguments. I
[02:10:55] am not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect
[02:10:59] the decision that was made at the referendum
[02:11:01] and it's going to undermine everything said I've said about strengthening
[02:11:05] democracy if we don't respect that
[02:11:07] vote. no, no, no, the prime
[02:11:11] minister is not suggest. thing we revisit the Brexit referendum, he's not at
[02:11:15] all suggesting, we talk about rejoining the European Union,
[02:11:19] then today he did precisely that, he did
[02:11:22] precisely that, he said everything should be on the table,
[02:11:26] the public should be the boss and the mood music is a
[02:11:30] serenade with Ursa Vandelayan, a summit on
[02:11:34] November the 20th in Brussels of all places with the government
[02:11:38] stacked full of rejoiners, labor party packed.
[02:11:42] the girls with people no doubt who wear blue and gold
[02:11:46] underwear, seriously, brexit is
[02:11:50] back on the menu, who can believe
[02:11:53] it, me? I'm in the studio by GB news chief political correspondence,
[02:11:57] Katherine Forster and GB News a senior political commentator Nigel
[02:12:01] Nelson. Katherine, we watched slack,
[02:12:05] slack Jord, we were baffled,
[02:12:08] overwhelmed by the fact, as you've repeatedly...
[02:12:13] pointed out to our viewers and listeners, it was just in May on the
[02:12:17] campaign trail in Makerfield when the then candidate for
[02:12:20] Makerfield, the previous mayor of Manchester said he
[02:12:24] would never dream of assuming Brexit,
[02:12:28] now he's a prime minister, that's precisely what he
[02:12:32] did, lot of people watching this today and there's only one word that
[02:12:36] leaps to mine, Catherine Forcer betrayal,
[02:12:40] well uh Nigel Farage has... accused him, hasn't he of being
[02:12:44] a liar, um, certainly it seems to me that what he's
[02:12:48] saying now and what he said on the campaign trail are very, very different
[02:12:51] things, but it feels like ground talk day, are we really going to do
[02:12:55] this? again, we had years of
[02:12:58] brexit arguments, rows, parliament voting against
[02:13:02] everything, it took up so much bandwidth
[02:13:06] and prevented us from getting on with lots of other very
[02:13:09] real problems, and Andy Burnham talks about... it now he
[02:13:13] isn't saying we must rejoin, but he's clearly saying there are many
[02:13:16] options, and this would be one them after a general
[02:13:20] election, but all the immediate problems
[02:13:24] that are really very serious -
[02:13:27] about, you might have thought we'd hear more about those today, so the
[02:13:31] situation in Iran, what's going on in Ukraine and the fact
[02:13:35] that both these wars are sending our energy bills through the
[02:13:39] roof, already happened with Russia, Ukraine, now it's...
[02:13:42] happening uh with the conflict in Iran, you know, filling your tank
[02:13:46] of energy bills to heat our homes,
[02:13:49] rocketing, and Donald Trump is scrabbling
[02:13:53] around trying to get diesel, buying it from
[02:13:56] Putin, uh, the very opposite of
[02:13:59] what we really would want to be doing, it's an
[02:14:03] almighty mess, it's hurting all of us, and here we
[02:14:06] are having hypothetical arguments of
[02:14:10] something that may or may not happen, we've... got no idea what the
[02:14:14] EU would offer us, but what we do know is
[02:14:16] as Kemy Bednock said, they are tough at negotiators and
[02:14:20] if Andy Burnham wants to take us into a general election in
[02:14:23] the future, pledging to reopen talks, what in to
[02:14:27] give us a good deal, they certainly didn't do it last time,
[02:14:31] well hang on, Andy Burnham delivered deal today that sounded
[02:14:35] too good to be true, and that's probably because it is,
[02:14:38] because Brussels would nail us to the floor, they nailed us to the... floor
[02:14:42] when we had vaguely pro- brexit team negotiating with michelle
[02:14:46] b who dance rings around us. this look, the labor
[02:14:50] party, by my reckon there's about 10 MPs that actually
[02:14:54] like or stand for brexit in any capacity, they'd roll
[02:14:58] over and have their bellies tickled like terrier in
[02:15:01] brussels by ursela
[02:15:03] von delayan, but we were told today Nigel Nelson, don't
[02:15:07] worry, the new deal hasn't been specified, we don't have the framework
[02:15:11] at all, hasn't been negotiated. yet, but we were told it would add 10 billion pounds to
[02:15:15] the UK economy, don't worry, it will boost UK growth, it
[02:15:18] will cut red tape for farmers, the chamber burst out laughing as
[02:15:22] if the labor policy defender formers. anytime ever, don't worry, they
[02:15:26] said control legal immigration, but the European Union content
[02:15:30] con itself control its own borders, it's an illusion,
[02:15:34] fantasy to say they can control our borders, don't
[02:15:38] worry, there'd be a youth experience scheme we were told by the prime
[02:15:41] minister, that's freedom of movement, under different guys, we've gone from
[02:15:45] project fear to project fantasy, well first of
[02:15:49] all you absolutely right when you use the word it's a framework, what we've got at the
[02:15:53] moment on the table is a framework for deal on
[02:15:56] November the 20th when the EU summit takes place, so
[02:16:00] within that deal uh you are talking about controlling
[02:16:04] im illegal immigration, you do that because what's on the
[02:16:07] table is we can go back to uh the data
[02:16:11] sharing we used to have with you happened, so we will get
[02:16:14] intelligence on people coming over here which we're not able to get at the
[02:16:18] moment, how much difference that make, I don't know, how how did that make the
[02:16:22] European Union border safer during the immigration? crisis of
[02:16:25] 2015 when over million Syrians poured in, it's
[02:16:29] a fantasy nadu to say that having access to this data base that
[02:16:33] they currently have access to, 70,000 swam
[02:16:37] into suita, the millions in one day, the million syrians that
[02:16:41] database prevent that the syrians who went into Germany were
[02:16:44] invited there, different, we're talking about the broke into Greece
[02:16:48] and Turkey, well I mean they've been trying to get, they've been they
[02:16:52] they have been going into Greece and Turkey in the same... the boats are
[02:16:56] coming coming across the channel and coming here, which we can't stop?
[02:17:00] no, at the moment we can't, so it would help, it would help if we had
[02:17:04] access to the european intelligence, well you
[02:17:06] would, if we if we knew some the people coming in and we could
[02:17:10] actually see those
[02:17:11] databases,
[02:17:16] don't know how how much difference will make, but but think about britain, don't don't talk
[02:17:20] about, although there are similarities, well no, because we
[02:17:24] rejoined. the
[02:17:25] the one the one conditions surely would be accepting
[02:17:29] asylum seekers from the continent
[02:17:31] the whole, that's what France wants, that's why the killed the one in one out deal, it's it's
[02:17:35] an illusion to say this would in any way be stated in favor of us, but we
[02:17:39] told we need to get to my next guest quickly now the campaign manager the European
[02:17:43] movement, Richard Kilpatrick, Richard, welcome to the show, you must
[02:17:47] be licking your lips, but you can't believe your look, here we are again, last time you
[02:17:51] and I spoke, well there's no way this will happen in this parliament, it blowing well is mate.
[02:17:55] It's on the table, the prime minister just said it's going to be on the
[02:17:58] ticket. Yeah, but it's really interesting Martin cuz I think like honestly I
[02:18:02] think both sides of this debate will be left with scratching their heads a little bit w the because
[02:18:06] like like always detail is never really there is it? I think that
[02:18:10] let's let's look at where the prime minister currently sits. I think we've got
[02:18:14] the summit in on the 20th of November, I think that the reality is
[02:18:17] that he he needs to achieve something in that summit and I think it's quite quite clear
[02:18:21] that today we've learned what sort of things that the government will be focusing. but
[02:18:25] it's stuff that we've kown about for quite some time right, SBS deal, youth
[02:18:29] mobility, some of those issues that we know haven't quite worked
[02:18:33] over the last decade, but we know that we need to do something on, and then
[02:18:37] from my perspective, he's kicked into the long grass, that sort of national debate that we
[02:18:41] spoke to spoke about last time, that I think again, coming back to that
[02:18:45] that grown up debate that we need, and so I have to think, okay, well where's the motivations
[02:18:48] here, and some the polling that we've we've done just this week tells
[02:18:52] us that about three quarter of his own. of his own party, his own voter base in
[02:18:56] 2024, which was very interesting coalition of voter base,
[02:19:00] wasn't it? it wasn't just neutritional labor voters, it was lot of tories for the
[02:19:04] first time ever were voting here, but for for the first time, 75% of
[02:19:08] those
[02:19:08] of those voters would support his party if it had
[02:19:11] negotiating with the European Union on future membership at the
[02:19:14] next in his next manifesto, but in more
[02:19:17] interestingly that includes 43% of conservatives who think the same,
[02:19:21] so I think people can see that there's a change in the... national
[02:19:25] mood
[02:19:26] and and as always Martin, this this change can change very quickly right, people can move backwards
[02:19:30] and forwards on this debate, but I think that's certainly the motivation the prime
[02:19:33] minister, but the devil's in the detail, isn't it? I think
[02:19:37] I, British thoughters being the boss is really key to this, and it's something I'm very
[02:19:41] passionate about is making sure that we have that debate, I'm just, I'm, I'm not quite sure if the
[02:19:45] real politic of Europe or the real politic for what's happening in parliament is really
[02:19:48] behind what's happening here, Richard, I'll
[02:19:52] say something now, which is probably going to surp.
[02:19:56] "I think people like you have played a blinder, I think the
[02:20:00] remainer movement of played a blinder, with the entire help
[02:20:04] the mainstream media, with the entire help of academia, how many teachers
[02:20:08] voted for Brexit, how many children learn that Brexit was a good
[02:20:11] thing, how many universities teach the positivity of
[02:20:15] Brexit, how many newspapers, how many TV channels, and you're
[02:20:19] right, the polling will be ramped up because remain never
[02:20:23] stopped, I said in 2020." remaine won't stop and
[02:20:27] they didn't, and now they got the man in number 10, but
[02:20:31] but I think honestly half this is that like a similar sort of way
[02:20:35] as the prime minister talking about Russian interference like... "I don't actually think it's
[02:20:38] helpful, like one the things how Pauling is telling us is that actually
[02:20:42] that that back and forth stuff where you know we like to jump on facts,
[02:20:46] you like to jump on facts that that contradict each other, actually people are
[02:20:50] just sick of that debate, and it's like, okay, my life is worse than
[02:20:54] it was 10 years ago, how can I ensure that my government
[02:20:58] has that as its priority and actually makes my life better,
[02:21:02] and whether we like some aspects of working with
[02:21:05] Europe is going to have to do that." but but but Richard, the point is
[02:21:09] people's lives are worse in Germany, in France, in
[02:21:13] Italy, and that's it, but
[02:21:16] but the the portrayal is always our lives in Britain are uniquely
[02:21:20] worse because of Brexit, not you know uncontrolled immigration, not the
[02:21:24] Boris wave, not covid, Brexit, a comic cuz right Westminster
[02:21:28] now and Brexit will get the blame, but equally,
[02:21:32] like if we if we take it Germany is a really good example right, so Germany is a net
[02:21:36] contributor to the EU budget. as you well know, but it also means
[02:21:40] that it gets 8% of what it pears through the net net budget
[02:21:43] contribution back in terms of benefit to its economy, so we we
[02:21:47] know the economy is a massive issue, it's a massive issue for sure the
[02:21:51] country that feels like it's been left behind, and and swears the
[02:21:55] country just need something a bit different, and if we can help, if a little bit of that help to those
[02:21:58] communities means closer relationship with Europe means access to the
[02:22:02] single market means what again like, it's one of those situations where we'll
[02:22:06] probably both in
[02:22:08] that there is very little detail coming out the prime minister until we
[02:22:11] get that detail and until we find out whereabouts on this big national conversation he
[02:22:15] actually sits on it then we will never really know right but it's absolutely
[02:22:19] clear that people feel and that's come through a lot the polling people
[02:22:23] feel that there will be a benefit to their lives and certain further
[02:22:27] cooperation with Europe and we have to find the common ground there well people will
[02:22:31] believe it so long as they're told it and they'll be told it because like i
[02:22:34] say remain never stops the polling never the campaigning never
[02:22:38] stopped, the politicing never stopped, most those parliamentarians in there, they
[02:22:42] all believe in redrawing the European Union to my certain knowledge there are only 10
[02:22:46] labor MPs who even vaguely believe in Brexit,
[02:22:50] it's quite astonishing time, but listen mate, I always enjoy our
[02:22:53] conversations, I honestly do, Richard Kill Patrick, always a pleasure,
[02:22:57] never, thank you, now still to come, we'll be discussing much more on Nigel
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[02:26:17] it's 5:26 with me, Martin Dordman here! on GB News very much
[02:26:21] shell-shocked about the fact, trust me, Brexit is back on the table, the
[02:26:24] battle of Brexit is about to rage, now that man Nigel
[02:26:28] Farag today has placed a five year ban on migrants being granted
[02:26:32] asylum in Britain if Reform UK wins the next general election, all
[02:26:36] we're asking here is for normality, all we're asking here
[02:26:40] is for normal service to be
[02:26:43] resumed, and so yes we will
[02:26:47] end the asylum system for up to five years. and why are we
[02:26:51] going to do that? because we're in the most terrible mess as
[02:26:55] a country. we literally have no idea who is
[02:26:58] here, and we frankly can't afford
[02:27:01] to take the risk. let
[02:27:05] now speak with the home affairs commentator and former advisor to the labour
[02:27:09] party, Danny Shaw. Danny, certainly the most radical proposition
[02:27:13] yet from Nigel Farage, Britain cannot be refuge for the
[02:27:17] rest the world, that was the use if Nigel Farage. just want to be
[02:27:21] normal country, but it's going to be the biggest plan for mass deportations
[02:27:25] Britain has ever seen. what's your take
[02:27:27] a? normal country,
[02:27:31] um, traditionally, the United Kingdom has been a normal country that
[02:27:34] accepts people from um, from abroad,
[02:27:38] overseas, my grandparents came to this country from
[02:27:41] overseas, I'm sure there are thousands, millions of others, including some
[02:27:45] people who work for reform UK and
[02:27:48] we work for GB News. um
[02:27:51] that is normal country, normal country is a country that
[02:27:53] accepts um level of immigration and
[02:27:57] give sanctuary to people who are fleeing persecution and torture, so I don't know
[02:28:01] what sort of normal country Nigel Farage is talking about, but it's
[02:28:05] certainly not the normal kind of country that I think Britain
[02:28:08] is, I think Reform UK has made huge
[02:28:12] mistake here, it's a massive strategic goal in my view,
[02:28:16] because the plans lack any shred of...
[02:28:20] ability whatsoever,
[02:28:22] and I think they will be laughed out of court. Um, if
[02:28:26] they had come up with a should
[02:28:31] be diff credible radical danny,
[02:28:31] would two that points. First of all, why should why should courts
[02:28:35] decide what a country's a sovereign nation is allowed to do? Court shouldn't
[02:28:39] be in control of what Briden does, that's always been part the problem. Secondly, you
[02:28:43] talk about normal country, what kind of normal country allows 10
[02:28:47] million immigrants in both through the front door? and the back door,
[02:28:51] legal and illegal, in the 14 years the conservative party has been in power,
[02:28:55] the country's changed beyond any comparison to what it was when your
[02:28:58] man, Tony Blair opened the flood gates the rest the world, people have bad
[02:29:02] enough, people want to see moderate,
[02:29:05] sensible controlled immigration policy, we blumin well don't have it,
[02:29:09] yeah people want to see moderate sensible controlled immigration policy, and what reform UK
[02:29:13] is proposing is not a moderate sensible immigration policy, people
[02:29:17] want to see their immigration controlled and the... Absolutely right,
[02:29:21] and at the moment we don't have, we at the moment, hang a second,
[02:29:24] Martin, at the moment we don't have control over our
[02:29:27] borders, that's quite clear, and immigration was
[02:29:31] hugely too high, particularly in the conservative years and the Boris
[02:29:35] Wave, and it needs to be brought back under control, and
[02:29:39] I i agree with all of that, but these proposals are luticrous,
[02:29:43] I mean, where are you going to build 24,000 places to
[02:29:47] detain illegal immigrants, there are about 2,5
[02:29:50] h places
[02:29:50] and they're pretty full at the moment, where are you going to build them? how
[02:29:54] long is that going to take? where are you going to get the money for that? we can't even build a
[02:29:58] prison with for a thousand places, it takes about five years,
[02:30:01] mean this is cloud cookool politics, if you can
[02:30:05] build for example if you can build um
[02:30:08] you know nighting hospitals, don't talk to me about nighting hospitals
[02:30:12] martin, nightingal hospital does not need the level of security
[02:30:16] that you need that is envisaged in these plans with the...
[02:30:20] starfing, the security and
[02:30:22] everything else, and people will not want those places, look at look at the trouble you've
[02:30:26] got trying to build an immigration
[02:30:28] center, danny is one for you then,
[02:30:31] so instead of like magically finding rif bases for asylums seeks to break
[02:30:35] into our country illegally, how about we we we put put
[02:30:39] people in those containment centers who come here illegally, but we
[02:30:43] contain them, let's get every or
[02:30:46] the country, you happy to have one of those centers in in your in your village, are you?
[02:30:50] because i think there will be lot of won't
[02:30:52] residents that's so that's one
[02:30:55] who ludicrous notion buse at the moment people can
[02:30:59] go in there and wander around the village and do whatever the bluming world they want and people feel
[02:31:02] scared and we're seeing crying go up, contain it, have a containment
[02:31:06] center, treat it as a place where the trouble this government has
[02:31:10] had trying to build a containment center called a prison in
[02:31:13] buckinghamshire and in Lankashire, have you got any
[02:31:17] idea about the problems they've had getting those off the ground, they can't build them, it
[02:31:21] takes years, so the idea you're going to build 24,000
[02:31:25] places is frankly ludicrous and you know it is, and
[02:31:28] reform note
[02:31:29] it is and it's just headline grabbing. roll over and just
[02:31:33] invite the rest the world in,
[02:31:35] add infinitum. No, no, Martin, that's not, it's not
[02:31:39] one or the other. You know, there has to be control,
[02:31:43] I absolutely agree with that, and there has to be reappraisal the
[02:31:46] system, and this government is going some way to trying to do that
[02:31:50] with tougher rules about indefinite leave to remain and so on, but the idea, I
[02:31:54] think this is a massive by reform. If they want to attract
[02:31:58] conservative voters to their cause and move
[02:32:01] people away. to reform, you're not going to do
[02:32:04] it with this kind of ludicrous nonsensical uh policy
[02:32:07] ideas, quite frankly. Okay, Danny, always a play
[02:32:11] to have your company, I like, I like it when we fall out, it's beautiful, thank you very much, Danny, see you
[02:32:15] again next time, always a pleasure, cheers mate, now play more still to come, but for now for traveling
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[02:33:17] Here's your latest GB News headlines at 5:33. Andy
[02:33:21] Burnam will use key UK EU summit next month to push for new
[02:33:25] post Brexit deals with the block as he insists the status
[02:33:29] quo is not good enough for Britain and... Bernam says it's
[02:33:33] inconceivable to think Russia hadn't sought to interfere in the
[02:33:36] Brexit referendum, but insists the legitimacy the
[02:33:40] 2016 vote was not compromised. The
[02:33:44] Prime Minister says the suspected terror plot in RF Fairford was highly
[02:33:48] likely coordinated in Iran and almost certainly directed by
[02:33:52] the IRGC. The foreign secretary has summoned Iran's
[02:33:55] ambassador to the UK. Nigel Farage has promised to
[02:33:59] introduce five-year ban on migrants being granted as and to
[02:34:03] deport around 90,000 people on the waiting list, if
[02:34:07] reform UK win the next election, and the council
[02:34:10] responsible for licensing Yorkshire Wildlife Park, where a man was
[02:34:14] killed by tiger has launched a health and safety investigation
[02:34:18] into the incident. You're up to date for now, I'll have a full round
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[02:37:45] Welcome back time is 5:37, you're with me, Martin Dolby here on
[02:37:49] GB News, now Andy Burnham today
[02:37:51] in parliament insisted it would be a dereliction of duty to rule
[02:37:55] out forging closer ties with his beloved European
[02:37:59] Union, the debate there is still raging in the commons as you can
[02:38:02] see, but a statement in the commons the prime minister told MPs that
[02:38:06] Britain should set up serious dialogue with its European
[02:38:10] partners. Well let's discuss that now in the studio with GB News's chief political
[02:38:14] correspondents. and GB News in senior political commentator
[02:38:18] Nigel Nelson. Katherine, I'm now the
[02:38:22] mind, I'm convinced that at some point in the future rejoin will
[02:38:26] be a labor party manifesto and that seems to be gathering place.
[02:38:29] Emily Thornbery is broken, an arch rejoiner, an arch remainer,
[02:38:33] remaniac all along. Tell her what you said earlier. Yes, so Emily
[02:38:37] Thornbury, who is chair the foreign affairs select select
[02:38:40] committee has said an interview this afternoon
[02:38:44] asked. whether um there should be
[02:38:48] another referendum,
[02:38:50] you know,
[02:38:51] potentially uh, no, I think we should put it in the next labor manifesto, and if
[02:38:55] we win, just do it. Now,
[02:38:58] when we join without even putting it to the people, that
[02:39:01] basically if rejoining was put
[02:39:05] into the next labor manifesto, if we win, we
[02:39:09] will seek to rejoin the European Union, they could then take
[02:39:13] that as an endorsement much like... Joe Swinson the Lib Dems
[02:39:17] said, if you vote for the Liberal Democrats, I will just
[02:39:21] overturn article 50, I will cancel Brexit, and
[02:39:24] can I can I just say, um, when Andy Burna made that speech in
[02:39:28] Liverpool talking about Brexit doing more harm than good and so on and so
[02:39:32] forth and having discussions, there was a lobby huddle immediately
[02:39:36] afterwards uh with his spokesperson and we said
[02:39:39] again and again, can you guarantee there would be
[02:39:43] referendum in that? event and they would not
[02:39:47] do so, so I think the fact that Emily Thornbury has
[02:39:50] broken cover and said that will ring some alarm
[02:39:54] bells. Angel Nelson, Emily Thornbery calls famousy wall
[02:39:57] that necklace of blue and gold and now she's
[02:40:01] revealed the mask slit and it's blue and gold
[02:40:05] underneath, she's now just admitting, saying the quiet part out
[02:40:09] now, there would even be second referendum, it'd just be on the manifesto and if we
[02:40:13] win we'll rejoin without even. bring it to the people, well Emily has not being
[02:40:17] helpful and bear in mind she is also telling the truth,
[02:40:21] not a member the government, um, yes you could do it that way, I
[02:40:25] mean you could argue you get democratic mandate if you elected a future
[02:40:29] labor government on that kind of platform over democracy, but I i
[02:40:33] do think that - because of precedence it would be
[02:40:36] inconceivable for any government, should this be on the table at the
[02:40:39] next election, I'm not sure it will be, should it be on the table, you would have
[02:40:43] to have referendum because Andrew rosendell in chamber there speaking, can we get to Andrew rosendell see
[02:40:47] what reformers to say? no we can't. okay, andrew rosendell speaking
[02:40:51] there, shame
[02:40:52] we can't hear what he's got to say because the whole debate has been packed full of
[02:40:55] rejoiners, remainers, lee
[02:40:57] anderson,
[02:41:04] okay, he sat down okay, but that was andrew rosendell there, anderson next to
[02:41:08] him, richard ty spoke earlier on, but let's face let's talk about the
[02:41:11] parliamentary metrics of this catherine forcer, did some research into the
[02:41:15] parliamentary labor party polling out today saying 58% of
[02:41:19] labor members would like to rejoin, i think it's much more than that in terms the
[02:41:22] mps, i think there are only 10 labor MPs that any capacity
[02:41:26] support. Brexit, there'd be lot of red wall
[02:41:30] MPs out there today, looking down the barrel of being
[02:41:33] annihilated if this was put to
[02:41:35] the to the public, because Andy Bern, you keep pointing out when he was the candidate for Makerfield,
[02:41:39] said he would never revisit the Brexit referendum, today it's
[02:41:43] now the stakes are even higher, not only could there be
[02:41:46] rejoin movement, Emeley Thornby has just said that we wouldn't even put it to
[02:41:50] vote, we just put it in the manifesto and rejo without even allowing the people ever
[02:41:54] say the contempt the electorate is dripping from her. Well that's a
[02:41:58] possibility and I was concerned when the prime minister's spokesman
[02:42:01] straight after his speech in Liverpool would not rule that out,
[02:42:05] but look, I mean, when people voted to leave the European Union,
[02:42:09] the vast majority of NPS
[02:42:12] uh were against us leaving, let's face it, the
[02:42:16] vast majority the civil service was against us
[02:42:20] leaving uh, so there were some pretty powerful figures that thought it
[02:42:24] was very, very bad idea, and yes, as you say, 'there's
[02:42:27] only a handful of labor MPs that voted to leave
[02:42:31] and some the red wall MPs, people like Jonathan Hinder will
[02:42:35] be incredibly worried about this sort of issue rearing its head
[02:42:39] again, he has sort of reassurance that there would be no return
[02:42:43] to freedom of movement and has not got it, although Andy
[02:42:46] Burnham is still saying, look
[02:42:48] we will stick to our red lines uh, no customs union,
[02:42:52] no we're joining the customs union, single market etc etc, but that
[02:42:55] only applies to this parliament'. so if and when Andy Burnham has a general
[02:42:59] election, which um, I mean, please know, but some people think could
[02:43:03] be as soon as December of this year, um, I
[02:43:07] think all bets are off as to what they put in it. Okay, thank you Kather, just
[02:43:11] reminder live picture on your screen from the House of Commons. Shabar Mahmoud, the home
[02:43:15] secretary is expected to address parliament soon
[02:43:17] and included in that statement will be an update on the situation of Nigel
[02:43:21] Farage and Ann Widdeckham of course who are subjected
[02:43:25] to terror attack. Andy Burnham's still
[02:43:29] taking the floor there and extended debate about national security but ahead of
[02:43:32] going to shabon Mahmoud in the commons are Nigel Nelson let's get back
[02:43:36] to this notion and you have a rise smile on your face when I when I say
[02:43:40] I I think the direction of travel now is leading towards Brussels I always
[02:43:44] felt the level playing field was Tilson in favor of Brussels I think now it's even
[02:43:48] more tilted in favor than Brussels we had Frosty the no man's lord David
[02:43:52] Frost who negotiated on behalf of Britain then at least he made fist of Brexit many
[02:43:56] people think that no deal with. the best deal, we be betrayed fishing, we
[02:43:59] betrayed all sorts of notions, but this government
[02:44:03] now is stuffed to the rafters with rejoiners, i think we i think
[02:44:07] we're going back, i think we're going back to Brazils,
[02:44:10] i know you do, um - and you know that i don't think we're
[02:44:13] going back, mean let's just take take things away from
[02:44:17] the reset we're having at the moment, which is i think as far as we're going to go
[02:44:21] and then everything's on the table, if we were to go back to
[02:44:25] um if the negotiation was would we be rejoining
[02:44:29] nation or would we be new entry nation?
[02:44:33] uh, would we then as a new entry have to accept the euro? so there
[02:44:36] are so many, there are so many things that would come up um that Europe may
[02:44:40] demand, that is why I don't think it's going to happen,
[02:44:44] but let's put it all on the table, let's see where we get
[02:44:48] to, and if we get that far, then put it to the British
[02:44:52] people, put it to the British people, can you
[02:44:54] believe that just ten less than 10 and a half
[02:44:58] years later after June 2016, here we are, who do
[02:45:01] the thought? they're just 10 years on, Boris
[02:45:05] Johnson, let's face it, squanded the opportunities of Brexit,
[02:45:09] failed to control our borders, the Boris Wave annihilated any
[02:45:13] notion of taking back control, ask British fishermen if they ever
[02:45:17] feel we took back control, ask British businesses
[02:45:20] if they feel we were taken back control, think as the working class
[02:45:24] the Britain who watched their towns pile. full of people from the
[02:45:28] third world instead of people from Poland and Romania if they believe
[02:45:32] we ever took back control, the working class has been ground
[02:45:35] into the dirt by the last 10 years and the political
[02:45:39] class once again living a parallel universe, now
[02:45:43] I think all roads back to Brisells, here let's get
[02:45:46] to the commission, I will make a statement national security,
[02:45:50] since the house last sat we have received reminder the threats ranged
[02:45:54] against this country, this has included the danger post by
[02:45:57] extremists and terrorists, but it has also comprom comprised
[02:46:01] threats posed by foreign powers seeking to undermine our nation
[02:46:05] security. These threats have targeted people,
[02:46:08] businesses, and critical infrastructure, but above all else,
[02:46:12] they are attacks on our values and our way of life.
[02:46:16] The first duty of government is the security the nation. So
[02:46:20] today, I will update the house on our response to these threats and
[02:46:24] how we are keeping acting to keep our country and our citizens
[02:46:28] safe. I start with the threat posed by terrorists and
[02:46:31] extremists, and I know one case in particular will be on the
[02:46:35] minds of many in this house today. It is now three months
[02:46:39] since murder of Anne Widdichom at her home in Devon. We
[02:46:43] continue to mourn her loss. On the 2nd of October, the
[02:46:47] suspect was charged with a terrorism offense, including
[02:46:51] preparing an act of terror against the leader of Reform UK, the
[02:46:54] honorable member for Clacton. I know that news that that news will have
[02:46:58] been deeply distressing for the honorable member, so may I say to him and
[02:47:02] to his family, they have my profoundest sympathies at what must be an
[02:47:06] awful time. As I have said before, attack on any one
[02:47:10] of us is attack on us all. I know other
[02:47:14] members, as well as people outside of this house, have recently been
[02:47:18] contacted by the police in connection with this
[02:47:20] case. To all of those affected, may I offer the
[02:47:24] same sympathies and solidarity as I do to the honorable member for
[02:47:27] Clacton. Mr. Speaker, at times like these, we must stand
[02:47:31] together as one house. For those who serve, politics
[02:47:35] is a calling. Robust debate and criticism are part
[02:47:39] of this job. Threats, abuse and violence are
[02:47:43] not. Today, as on so many other days, we remember
[02:47:47] Ann Widdickham, Sir David Amis and Joe Cox, three
[02:47:50] beloved colleagues and three champions of our
[02:47:53] democracy. We owe it to them, and everyone who believes
[02:47:57] in fair and open country to ensure those who serve
[02:48:01] at all levels receive the protection they deserve.
[02:48:05] We must first ensure that every opportunity was taken in this particular case
[02:48:09] to stop. this attacker, the independent office of police conduct
[02:48:13] is investigating the response to attempted break-in at the honorable
[02:48:16] members home last year. I've asked them to conduct this
[02:48:20] investigation both thoroughly and swiftly, and we expect it to conclude
[02:48:24] early next year. I would caution everyone not to
[02:48:27] preempt that investigation. Regardless the outcome of
[02:48:31] that investigation, it is clear there is insufficient protection for
[02:48:35] those who serve. I can therefore announce today that I will
[02:48:39] expand, with immediate effect police support to political
[02:48:43] figures who are not currently members of parliament. This
[02:48:46] will include former members of parliament, pears and party
[02:48:50] spokes people, giving
[02:48:52] them access to named police officer as well as help with wider
[02:48:56] security measures. But we must go further, Mr.
[02:48:59] Speaker, so today I also announce an independent
[02:49:03] root and branch review the protective security provided by
[02:49:07] the state to those in public life. This review will be
[02:49:11] led by Sir Stephen Lovegrove, the former national security
[02:49:14] advisor, and it will examine protective security from every
[02:49:18] angle, including physical threats, online risks and the
[02:49:22] dangers posed within our more polarized society. It will
[02:49:26] hear directly from ministers, members of parliament and other high
[02:49:29] profile people in public life, and it will report within six
[02:49:33] months. It will compliment Sir Robert Buckland's ongoing review into the
[02:49:37] killing of Sir David Amos, Mr. because this is rightly an
[02:49:41] independent review, but my commitment is that his findings
[02:49:44] must and will lead to tangible change, and that the
[02:49:48] state's resources will be rebalanced to protect those people
[02:49:52] and places that need it most. Mr. Speaker, the terrorist
[02:49:56] threat is not ranged only at those who serve in public life.
[02:50:00] In recent days, we marked the first anniversary the terror attack at the
[02:50:04] Heaton Park Synagogue. On that awful day in October of
[02:50:07] last year as our Jewish community.
[02:50:13] Doby lost their
[02:50:15] and Adrien lives and three others were seriously injured. What happened
[02:50:19] that day must be fully understood, so as requested by the
[02:50:23] coroner, I can today announce a public inquiry into the deaths of Mr.
[02:50:27] Cravits and Mr. Dolby. This will ensure that all evidence can be
[02:50:31] heard, including any sensitive national security material that could not
[02:50:34] otherwise be fully heard in the coroner's
[02:50:37] court. Tragically, Park was just one of
[02:50:41] series of attacks on our Jewish community. In the year since
[02:50:45] they have included the stabbing of two Jewish men in Golder's Green North
[02:50:49] London with a trial now set for March 2027. A
[02:50:53] failed attack on the Israeli embassy for which the attacker was last week
[02:50:57] jailed for 20 years a
[02:50:59] sp of arsen attacks across North London and last month, just
[02:51:03] hours before Yom Kipur began, foiled but potentially leat
[02:51:07] on the Jewish community in Manchester. In this case, two
[02:51:11] men, both Iranian nationals, have now been charged with terrorism
[02:51:15] offenses. I paid tribute to the police and the security
[02:51:18] services for what was a long-running investigation, conducted with
[02:51:22] their customary professionalism and skill. Faced with
[02:51:26] opposed to our Jewish community, we have increased funding to the police by
[02:51:30] additional 250 million pounds to boost police
[02:51:34] presence in key Jewish areas and to tackle antisemitism on
[02:51:38] our streets, but I "now we cannot simply build higher
[02:51:41] walls around our Jewish community and expect them to live in
[02:51:45] fear, so we must root out the evil of antisemitism wherever it
[02:51:49] looks in society, and this government is..." committed to that
[02:51:53] effort, tackling antisemitism wherever it is found, be
[02:51:57] it online, in our schools and universities, in our public
[02:52:00] services or on our streets. the
[02:52:04] threat post to our Jewish community shows us how the lines are
[02:52:08] increasingly blurring between extremism and state
[02:52:11] threats. we know the Iranian state is targeting our
[02:52:15] Jewish community. earlier this year, the Islamic movement of
[02:52:18] companions the right or the IMCR claimed responsibility for
[02:52:22] the arsen attacks in North London. We know that members of Iran's
[02:52:26] Islamic Revolutionary guard core, the IRGC, were behind
[02:52:30] that group and most certainly directed its other attacks across
[02:52:34] Europe. This speaks to a wider trend. States like
[02:52:38] Iran are using proxies to conduct hostile activity here in
[02:52:42] Britain. They pay criminals or exploit naive
[02:52:45] volunteers, attacking our country and its citizens, while
[02:52:49] maintaining an air of plausible deniability. "It is a
[02:52:53] braking threat, but it is one that we are alert to and will not
[02:52:57] tolerate fast track the National Security State Threats Act through
[02:53:01] Parliament. This created stronger powers and tougher punishment to
[02:53:05] deal with state-back threats to domestic security, and under these
[02:53:09] new powers we have designated both the IMCR
[02:53:12] and the IRGC. This brings us to the recent
[02:53:16] events at RAF (RAF Fairford). As the prime minister has
[02:53:20] said, our assessment is that it is highly likely to have been
[02:53:23] coordinated by known individual based in Iran and
[02:53:27] almost certainly directed by Iran's IRGC. The
[02:53:31] foreign secretary has today summoned the Iranian ambassador, he wiran
[02:53:35] of course. As the invasion of Ukraine enters its fifth winter, the
[02:53:39] Kremlin continues to lash out at European countries.
[02:53:42] Together with the EU, we attributed attack on Poland's energy grid last
[02:53:46] December to Russia, which could have caused hy.
[02:53:50] Similarly, we are acting against the threat. on our shores last
[02:53:54] month, a British man was charged under the National Security Act over
[02:53:57] alleged contact with Russia's military intelligence
[02:54:00] agency, and in recent days a Royal Navy sailor,
[02:54:04] accused of spying on behalf of Russia, has been charged under the same
[02:54:08] act. We remain vigilant to the threats posed by
[02:54:11] China too. Mi5 recently warned universities and
[02:54:15] academics to cut ties with the China General Technology
[02:54:19] Research Institute. This group had been funded. research in the
[02:54:23] UK with the primary purpose of improving China's
[02:54:26] espionage operations. Those who continue to work with
[02:54:30] this group will face criminal charges for aiding foreign
[02:54:34] state and lengthy prison sentences as
[02:54:37] result. Mr. Speaker, the threats we face today are complex
[02:54:41] and often interconnected. They target communities and
[02:54:44] citizens, the critical infrastructure that we depend on, and the
[02:54:48] institutions and individuals that make up our democracy.
[02:54:52] Our response to this growing threat is rightly
[02:54:55] multi-faceted. We are tackling extremism in our
[02:54:58] communities and in the online world. In protecting what
[02:55:02] matters, our social cohesion plan, we set out range of
[02:55:06] measures to tackle this threat, including banning those who seek to come to
[02:55:09] this country and spread hatred, and committing to publishing annual
[02:55:13] state of extremism report which will identify the threats we
[02:55:17] face and crucially equip frontline professionals to counter
[02:55:21] it. We are: also adapting to the changing nature the violent threat
[02:55:25] that we face. following the horrors of Southport, we have taken action to
[02:55:28] curb the threat posed by individuals fixated on
[02:55:32] violence. this is including strengthening the handling of repeat,
[02:55:35] prevent refer referrals and making it clear that
[02:55:39] referrals can be made to prevent without clearly identifiable
[02:55:42] ideology. the online safety act has also ensured thousands
[02:55:46] of services now have stronger age checks and safety
[02:55:49] measures. addressing the threat posed by States make no
[02:55:53] mistake, our police and security services are on permanent
[02:55:57] watch. Since 2023, more than 23 people have been
[02:56:01] charged under the National Security Act, leading to five convictions
[02:56:05] and totaling more than 48 years imprisonment so far,
[02:56:08] including 18 years for two men convicted of spying for
[02:56:12] China. We have imposed more than 4,00 sanctions linked to
[02:56:16] Russia and Iran, and we have placed both on the enhanced
[02:56:20] tier the foreign influence registrations. which means anyone
[02:56:24] conducting activity on their behalf must register it or
[02:56:27] face the prospect of prison, but more is
[02:56:31] required. as I have noted already, the national security state
[02:56:35] threats act has given us powerful new tools to tackle state
[02:56:38] threats. We are also building a specialist mission in counter terror
[02:56:42] policing to disrupt straight threat state threats and tightening
[02:56:45] security around military bases. Of course,
[02:56:49] resilience is about more than our physical defenses. We are
[02:56:53] also establishing a national center for information defense to
[02:56:56] tackle disinformation from states. Our cyber security and
[02:57:00] resilience bill will protect everyday services by strengthening national
[02:57:04] defenses. against cyber attacks and we will go further with our
[02:57:08] upcoming national security bill and give intelligence agencies
[02:57:11] and police stronger powers to bear down on
[02:57:15] cyber criminals. let me also say, mr. speaker, to the
[02:57:18] public, if you are ever worried about someone you know, tell a
[02:57:22] teacher, doctor or someone you trust. institutions like
[02:57:26] Prevent exist to stop people from following a dark
[02:57:29] path from which there may be no return. if ever you see
[02:57:33] something suspicious, report it immediately to the
[02:57:37] police or relevant authority and to businesses
[02:57:40] in increasingly online world, consider the cyber threat that
[02:57:44] you face and strengthen your defenses. Finally, Mr.
[02:57:48] Speaker, to those responsible for some part of an critical
[02:57:51] infrastructure, let me say we will work with you. The
[02:57:55] National Protective Security Authority and the National Cyber Security
[02:57:58] Center stand ready to help. We can defeat those who
[02:58:02] mean us harm, but we are strongest. when we act
[02:58:06] together, Mr. Speaker, a more dangerous world we are
[02:58:09] faced by threats from without and within that target our
[02:58:13] democracy and our way of life. In response, we are
[02:58:17] adapting and strengthening our defenses. As ever, I
[02:58:21] commend the work the police and our security services who
[02:58:25] labor in silence to keep us safe, and I'm sure the whole
[02:58:28] house joins me in offering thanks to them for that vital life-saving
[02:58:32] work. This government is taking. action in support of that
[02:58:36] effort, but I know there is more that we must do, as I've set out in this
[02:58:40] statement, to protect this country, to protect our citizens and
[02:58:44] to protect our democracy. I hope the whole house can join
[02:58:47] together in that vital work, which is so much greater than any of
[02:58:51] our differences, because I know that those of us who choose to
[02:58:55] serve all share a belief, we will never be defeated by
[02:58:59] those who mean us harm. Mr. Speaker, with my thanks to you for allowing me to
[02:59:03] run a little longer than would... be the case, I commend this statement to the
[02:59:07] house. shadow home secretary,
[02:59:10] Chris,
[02:59:12] thank you, the home secretary for advance sight
[02:59:16] of her statement, the whole house supports the security services
[02:59:20] and the police for their work. I pay tribute to the brave
[02:59:24] men and women who serve our country in that
[02:59:27] way. On RF Fairford, firstly,
[02:59:31] seven suspects were arrested, one, a duel UK
[02:59:35] Iranian national, these men were all released quickly on
[02:59:39] bail, and senior US officials have expressed
[02:59:42] surprise about this. Can the home secretary tell the
[02:59:46] house if she thinks it was reasonable to release these men so
[02:59:49] quickly, and if she believes they pose any
[02:59:52] risk? Will the home secretary also tell the
[02:59:55] house, if the government was aware in advance of any
[02:59:59] threat to RAF Fairford?