GEONEWS — broadcast 20260807 050000 UTC 411 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:19] Security forces on August 6 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in two separate [00:00:22] that for us, operations, according to Indian-backed Khawarij (extremist) elements, [00:00:26] 10 Khawarij affiliated with them [00:00:28] for why we did it were killed. In Azam Warsak district of Waziristan, a group [00:00:31] of Khawarij attacked a security forces checkpoint. [00:00:35] In the exchange of fire, eight Khawarij were killed. In another operation, [00:00:38] two Khawarij were killed in Dir district. The Prime Minister paid tribute to the security [00:00:42] forces, saying that operations would continue with full determination [00:00:46] until terrorism is completely eliminated. will continue. [00:00:48] گی۔ [00:00:55] And similarly, Bushra Bibi Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey held a summit today. According to the news agency, [00:00:58] the three countries... [00:01:19] and also for provinces. and Khan Sahib has also said [00:01:31] Minimum. [00:01:43] every news related to sports, [00:01:50] So the meeting with Imran Khan Sahib [00:02:00] The price of diesel has been reduced by Rs. 1.5 per liter. The new price of diesel [00:02:06] Will you also discuss the matter of new provinces? this is the first time we have given this call. And has been fixed at Rs. 382.36 per liter. The new prices came into effect from 12 midnight. [00:02:09] Fluctuations in crude oil prices in the international market. Brent crude oil went above [00:02:13] $83 per barrel. [00:02:14] چلا [00:02:19] And in Mianwali, Hafizabad, and Mardan city, there was light to heavy rain. [00:02:23] According to the Meteorological Department, today in Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, Khyber [00:02:27] Pakhtunkhwa, and some areas of northern Punjab... [00:03:01] Shehbaz's speed has failed. Now [00:03:05] people should be prepared for the long march. The long march [00:03:08] is about to begin. [00:03:09] God willing. [00:03:16] On August 7, at 4 PM, the whole of Pakistan will be on the streets [00:03:19] against the petroleum levy and against this economic terrorism. [00:03:30] Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has once again announced a long march, [00:03:34] but the date they have given is after quite some time. [00:03:37] They have announced the long march for September 27. Yesterday, [00:03:41] a rally was held in Peshawar, and in the rally, [00:03:44] the Chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf, Barrister Gohar Khan Sahib, was present. [00:03:48] Chief Minister Sohail Afridi Sahib and the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf [00:03:52] appeared united on one stage after a long time, [00:03:55] and there was a very large crowd in front of them. And they announced [00:03:58] the long march for September 27. In what words did they make the announcement? [00:04:02] Just listen. That leader who [00:04:05] is in Adiala Jail, [00:04:08] that he used to always say, "My youth, my youth, my youth." [00:04:12] Today, the youth need you. [00:04:15] Be ready. So, God willing, [00:04:18] on September 27, we will head towards Islamabad. [00:04:21] تعالی 27 ستمبر کا اسلام اباد [00:04:24] کا رخ کریں گے [00:04:27] On September 27, Islamabad... [00:04:54] ...that they are making Imran Khan wait. And when they were asked if it was discussed with them, [00:04:57] they said no, we don't. So perhaps they think that September 27 [00:05:01] is too far away. Anyway, whatever the matters are, if there is a long march [00:05:05] on September 27, will it be towards D-Chowk in Islamabad [00:05:09] or towards Adiala Jail? There are many questions. To discuss this, we have with us today [00:05:21] Aleema Khanum's conversation is that September 27 [00:05:25] is a very distant date. So why was [00:05:27] the date of September 27 chosen? [00:05:31] Mr. Amir, the fact is [00:05:35] which date is it, [00:05:37] we are not that much concerned about the reasons [00:05:41] and why we announced September 27. We announced September 27 [00:05:45] because we wanted time for preparation, for mobilizing people, [00:05:48] and for arrangements. But obviously, [00:05:52] I never comment on Aleema Khanum [00:05:55] or the entire family's reservations or talks. But I certainly understand, [00:05:59] and I think every one of us understands [00:06:02] that Khan Sahib is unjustly in jail. This is politically motivated. [00:06:07] is also unjustly imprisoned, and all these are politically motivated cases. [00:06:11] And not a single one of us wants Khan Sahib to remain in jail [00:06:15] for even a day. So that's why she is talking in that context, [00:06:18] that Khan Sahib should be released even yesterday or the day before. [00:06:22] But you do have contact with her, Aleema Khanum? [00:06:25] Yes, we stay in contact, absolutely. [00:06:28] Why not? We conveyed the family's concerns [00:06:32] about Khan Sahib's health and his transfer to the hospital, [00:06:36] and we are saying that just as the family is concerned, [00:06:39] we are also similarly... [00:06:55] And for any political party, not just PTI, for any political party, giving this call [00:06:59] to the public to come out for their demands, for their rights, [00:07:03] to take a path, to go towards a long march, this is a very tough [00:07:06] and serious matter. You don't give a call for a long march on every issue. [00:07:10] And since last [00:07:14] November 2024, [00:07:18] we have considered its pros and cons. [00:07:21] We have nothing left. [00:07:23] نہیں [00:07:26] And the reason for this is that, Mr. Amir, forget about the previous one, where our seats were lost, [00:07:30] our mandate was stolen, and our leadership [00:07:34] was also convicted. Today, it's almost a year since Mr. Omar Ayub Khan [00:07:37] and our other leaders were convicted. They were convicted on July 31. [00:07:41] And six... [00:07:51] that there is no meeting with Khan Sahib, no access for doctors, no conversation with children, [00:07:55] no access for family. The leadership has not had a meeting [00:07:59] since February 2025. What have we done after all? [00:08:02] This is his right, leaving aside his status as a great leader, [00:08:06] leaving aside his status as Prime Minister, there are court orders, there is an order from three judges, [00:08:10] it is according to the rules, according to the SOPs. [00:08:14] The order that is in our favor is not implemented. We went to the courts 25 times, [00:08:17] went to the Islamabad High Court 15 times, went to the Supreme Court. In the assembly, [00:08:21] we raised our voice, requested the Prime Minister, requested Mr. Lekhar, [00:08:25] the influential circles, we conveyed the message [00:08:29] in every way we could, but every single time it was ignored, [00:08:32] and no action was taken on it. We kept saying [00:08:35] despite our people being shot, martyred, injured, [00:08:39] we said, "Let's have a dialogue." Then a committee was also formed, [00:08:42] but nothing happened. But today, Mr. Amer Dogar [00:08:46] did have a meeting today. Mr. Mir, look, [00:08:49] there must be a political solution to political problems, but [00:08:53] where is the talk going to happen? What is the dialogue about? Who is going to have the dialogue? [00:08:57] On what terms will the dialogue happen? For this, [00:09:00] serious and sincere efforts are needed, [00:09:04] which did not happen. And when [00:09:07] 2025 came, with full force, we said, [00:09:10] "Pakistan first." [00:09:14] But when the leadership came from outside Pakistan, we welcomed [00:09:18] them and discussed all our matters. Mr. Amir Dogar met with the Speaker of the National [00:09:22] Assembly. So, do you see any chance that negotiations [00:09:26] between PTI and the government can resume? The government [00:09:29] does not take concrete steps; it's just a meeting. [00:09:33] And I would even say that with whom are we to negotiate? [00:09:37] On what terms? When? Who has this authority in the [00:09:41] government? If it made serious efforts [00:09:44] on this, it would be better. Until today, we have not seen [00:09:48] that it is just an offer; otherwise, the Prime Minister did not even shake hands [00:09:52] with Mr. Achakzai. Mr. Achakzai himself went to him, but [00:09:55] the government's attitude towards us still did not change. So that's why we had no other option [00:09:59] but to tell the nation that if we had not done it before, the nation would have gone itself [00:10:03] because by and large, Mr. Amir, the whole world understands [00:10:07] that if they have 70 percent of the people, [00:10:20] is not facilitating you, is not talking to you, perhaps [00:10:24] the reason is not that you announce a rally but cannot hold it. [00:10:27] Just yesterday, you held a rally in Peshawar after a long time, and then there are many internal differences [00:10:31] in your party. Aleema Khanum says one thing, [00:10:35] the party says another. Is the government not benefiting from all these things? Look, [00:10:39] some things have happened, but by and large, if you look at it, [00:10:42] this was our tenth rally. We have held ten rallies, [00:10:46] and we have also organized rallies and protests, and everything. And the way Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf [00:10:49] has mobilized people by and large, especially yesterday, the way people came out [00:10:53] across Pakistan and protested against the three years of unjust imprisonment [00:10:57] and oppression and cruelty that Khan Sahib went through, [00:11:00] I commend them greatly and pay tribute to them that those people raised their voice [00:11:04] for themselves. So this is one thing, [00:11:08] but we don't have any forward bloc; all people are united for Khan [00:11:11] Sahib. Yesterday, you also saw that there is one thing in the entire leadership: [00:11:15] no compromise on Khan Sahib and Bushra Bibi. We don't want, Mr. Amir, [00:11:19] that things go haywire. We tried our best [00:11:23] to bring change within the system. [00:11:33] We tried hard, but no one addressed it, nor did anyone take it [00:11:36] seriously. But I rather believe that all our efforts [00:11:40] were considered a weakness, as you also mentioned, that we couldn't mobilize [00:11:44] people and bring them to Islamabad. We did mobilize many people [00:11:47] and brought them, but in a civilized world, where is it allowed [00:11:51] to shoot people, to shell people, [00:11:55] to deal with people the way it was dealt with in D-Chowk? This was not at all acceptable. [00:11:58] You have seen in India also that the opposition party came, [00:12:02] they mobilized so many people, presented their demands, and there was no lathi [00:12:06] charge. But what the police said, the Supreme Court said [00:12:10] to preserve everything, CCTV. My question to you is, [00:12:14] this same question is for you, that Azad Kashmir is a small area, [00:12:17] where people have been sitting on a sit-in for weeks in three or four places. [00:12:21] There is no political party behind them. [00:12:25] You mentioned the opposition party. People were mobilized [00:12:28] and the government accepted [00:12:31] the demands of the people. So if you claim so much popularity, [00:12:35] that 70 percent of Pakistani people are with Imran Khan, [00:12:38] why can't you gather 50,000, 60,000, or one hundred thousand people? [00:12:42] Look, we can gather people. We can call them to the party. [00:12:46] If you look at rallies and such, but people have seen, Mr. Amir, [00:12:49] this time the political atmosphere is not like before, so people [00:12:53] also have some compulsions that if they come, but they cannot face bullets. [00:12:57] We don't have a guerrilla force; we have [00:13:01] ordinary Pakistanis. We have people from all walks of life. [00:13:04] We have women, children, old people. No political [00:13:08] party has such a cadre in any of the provinces of Pakistan [00:13:12] as we have. We have representation in all four provinces [00:13:15] and a very large representation. But then why did you boycott [00:13:18] the Azad Kashmir elections? Because people did not want [00:13:22] elections in Azad Kashmir, we were saying that. [00:13:55] There has been voting, can you show a picture of one place, [00:13:59] a 10-minute video, a five-minute video, that votes were cast here? [00:14:02] Votes were not cast here at all, as people saw before, [00:14:05] that one constituency had one vote cast, and in another, where there are hundreds [00:14:09] of votes, only 10 votes were cast. So they don't have any mandate for themselves, [00:14:13] and elections are not conducted like this. [00:14:17] Secondly, what kind of election did you hold in Azad Kashmir? [00:14:21] Its population is almost equal to Islamabad. It's a small place. [00:14:25] You divided it into three portions. First, elections for 13 seats, then 10 or [00:14:28] 11 seats, then 9 seats. Even a village council election is not held [00:14:32] in such a critical way as you did. Especially when a minister [00:14:36] comes and makes an irresponsible statement, one says these are not Pakistanis, [00:14:40] and the other sahib says that his 12 seats are in our pocket. [00:14:44] So if you had 12 seats in your pocket, it means you didn't even want elections. [00:14:47] In the speech you gave yesterday at the Peshawar rally, [00:14:50] you also mentioned, and some other speakers also mentioned, [00:14:54] that the Interior Minister, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib's recent statement... [00:14:57] So you people think that [00:15:01] Mohsin Naqvi's statement is actually a charge sheet against his own government? [00:15:04] So after this statement, do you think [00:15:08] that the PPP is also very upset with PML-N? [00:15:12] So can you and PPP together [00:15:15] bring a no-confidence motion? Mr. Mash, [00:15:19] this is true that the government did not have any mandate [00:15:22] from day one, and they also did not have [00:15:26] the confidence of the people. But after this statement, they have obviously [00:15:30] lost all of that. But Pakistan People's Party and PML-N [00:15:35] If they don't get a share in the judges, they stop the summary. [00:15:39] If they don't get seats, they accuse of rigging. That's not how it works. [00:15:43] Take a principled stand and stick to it. Then we [00:15:46] consider what's in it for them. However, there are some things, [00:15:50] like what came out about the provinces, a debate has started, [00:15:54] whether they are units or... What do you think, should new provinces be formed or not? [00:15:57] Look, this should be debated. If there is public demand, it should be debated. [00:16:01] Our principal demand is that the amendments you made before, [00:16:04] the 26th and 27th amendments, were also not right. But if you want [00:16:08] to do something about the provinces, Mr. Amir, the biggest thing is that [00:16:12] PML-N and People's Party, both of them will oppose it the most, [00:16:15] because all their dominance and control will end. [00:16:19] One has controlled Sindh, the other has controlled Punjab. [00:16:23] The people of Punjab are also not getting their genuine demands, and [00:16:26] similarly, it's not happening in Sindh either. But for debate, it's better that [00:16:30] this is our... By the way, if a debate starts, what do you think, [00:16:34] Barrister Gohar Khan, Chairman Tehreek-e-Insaf, [00:16:37] you have one capacity, and Barrister Gohar Khan [00:16:40] as a constitutional expert, you have another capacity. [00:16:44] So does Pakistan really need new administrative units? [00:16:47] The position of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has always been this, [00:16:53] that there is a need for units [00:16:56] So we have said that these are such sensitive issues [00:17:00] that a larger consensus is needed first. And if we have to do anything, [00:17:03] one is that if you are changing provincial boundaries, then you need a two-thirds majority. [00:17:09] Even if Hazara province is formed in KP, it will be with a two-thirds majority. [00:17:13] And if Punjab is divided further, [00:17:16] it will also be with a two-thirds majority. We will not do anything without consulting Khan Sahib. [00:17:20] If our access etc. is restored and we start talking to him, [00:17:24] then we will see what happens next. [00:17:28] that you are unable to have has been going on for quite some time. [00:17:31] It's been 295 days since we had a meeting. So if [00:17:35] you have a meeting after 300 days, [00:17:37] you will discuss many things with Khan Sahib. [00:17:43] Look, all things will be discussed. We will discuss the most important party matters. [00:17:47] We are concerned about his health. We will discuss everything. [00:17:50] This is also obvious. Khan Sahib, whenever we used to meet before, [00:17:54] Khan Sahib was always concerned about Pakistan's problems, [00:17:58] economy, people. All these things [00:18:02] he used to discuss. So [00:18:05] I remember Khan Sahib used to talk about administrative [00:18:09] units. Yes, he certainly did. So now [00:18:12] if you support administrative units and PML-N and [00:18:15] PPP do not support it, then constitutional amendment cannot [00:18:19] happen. No, constitutional amendment cannot happen for the reason [00:18:23] that you also need a majority of provinces. And even [00:18:27] otherwise, going beyond the constitution, this is a public [00:18:30] and political issue and it is very sensitive. It is necessary [00:18:33] that all people come on board. As far as our PTI's stance is concerned, we will only [00:18:37] give our stance when we meet Khan Sahib, if something like this happens. But [00:18:41] primarily, we have said that further legislation [00:18:45] and amendments of this kind should not be done by a parliament. [00:18:48] Okay, one statement of Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is that which you people discussed in the rally [00:18:52] yesterday. After that, he gave another statement. [00:18:55] What did he say in it? Listen to that too. People have a strong desire [00:18:59] and will continue to have it that somehow my [00:19:03] and their relations get strained. But [00:19:06] the government has a future. It will complete its five years. [00:19:10] Shehbaz Sahib will remain Prime Minister for five years. They can do whatever they want. [00:19:13] They can extract whatever they want from the statement, do everything, but God willing, [00:19:17] he will complete his five years as Prime Minister. So Mohsin Naqvi Sahib [00:19:21] has said that whatever anyone does, Shehbaz [00:19:24] Sharif Sahib will complete his five years. Now what do you say? I don't think [00:19:28] even Shehbaz Sharif Sahib thinks he will complete five years. Well, he [00:19:32] said that for him. I think he doesn't think so either. And [00:19:36] when you lose public support, which they never had, [00:19:40] I find it very difficult. And why [00:19:43] why do I find it difficult? This seems almost [00:19:46] impossible to me. Why does it seem impossible to me? Look, Mr. Amir, [00:19:50] at the current situation, ever since the regime change, [00:19:54] if anyone had even one percent regard, they would have come forward themselves, [00:19:57] with the Prime Minister of Britain, and he would say... [00:20:00] Mr. Mir, your economy has gone into negative. Poverty below 40 percent. [00:20:04] Education system ruined, health system ruined, law and order [00:20:08] situation ruined. The law and order situation four years ago was not like [00:20:12] today's situation. Whether you take KP [00:20:15] or Balochistan, whereas we have always said [00:20:19] that we should fight against terrorism with one voice, [00:20:23] but they lacked capacity, they could not deliver. They got all kinds of support, [00:20:26] but despite that support, they could not deliver. [00:20:30] They could not take any such step that [00:20:33] an ordinary Pakistani would feel they got some relief. And the biggest thing is [00:20:37] that they made two amendments, brought in judges. Mr. Amir, before the 26th amendment, [00:20:40] there were only 90 judges in the High Courts, and after the 26th [00:20:44] amendment, they appointed an additional 93 judges. [00:20:48] But people's judiciary ended, justice [00:20:51] was abolished. That's why the three organs that used to exist [00:20:55] have practically become one organ. And these people have put the media [00:20:59] in dormant mode, whether there is a PIA Act or other things. These are just [00:21:03] probably their days in power. Okay, now finally tell me [00:21:06] that we have seen that the various opposition parties, when they have to protest, [00:21:10] each party announces a separate protest. Just recently, JUI also announced [00:21:14] a separate protest on August 5. [00:21:18] Now Jamaat-e-Islami is saying that [00:21:20] on August 7, they will block all roads across Pakistan. [00:21:24] They have identified more than 500 locations where they will block roads. [00:21:28] So Jamaat-e-Islami has made such a big announcement. Will you support Jamaat-e-Islami? [00:21:31] Sir, in Pakistan, one thing is that this is against inflation, [00:21:35] but even if it's against Israel, if [00:21:38] people gather for Palestine, as you saw in Europe, all people [00:21:42] come together and gather in one place. [00:21:46] It's a public gathering. Our various parties act [00:21:50] according to their own agenda. Hafiz Naeem Sahib has put it very well, [00:21:54] and it's a good thing, and it should be supported. But [00:21:57] we certainly wish that it shouldn't just be party-based, [00:22:01] but there should also be meetings of a joint opposition, and they should also be public-related. [00:22:05] Is there any hope of a big grand [00:22:08] joint opposition forming? [00:22:12] There should be, and this is the time to form a joint opposition [00:22:15] that should be united on public interest matters. [00:22:21] But Barrister Gohar Sahib, we see that the Tehreek Tahafuz-e-Ain (Movement for the Protection of the Constitution) [00:22:24] you have formed, it has one line, and [00:22:27] Tehreek-e-Insaf is following another line. [00:22:31] No, some of our demands are such that, for instance, on the 5th, [00:22:35] we are also a party and we are a part of this alliance, [00:22:38] but there are some things, minimum, for instance, we say, [00:22:42] "Give relief to the public, reduce these prices, reduce petroleum prices." [00:22:46] This is against inflation. [00:22:50] It's not just this, even on the Election Commission, it should be correct that elections [00:22:53] are free, fair, and transparent, on local government, [00:22:57] on the judiciary. This is not anyone's; we are making [00:23:01] it according to our manifestos, but then there should be a one-point [00:23:05] agenda that this oppression and cruelty should end. These are our own [00:23:08] people; this should not happen to them. The judiciary should act [00:23:12] in such circumstances. We should hold elections like this. [00:23:15] Local government should be strengthened like this. 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[00:28:03] This is the Khaleel al-Wazir Mosque in the coastal area of Gaza, and you [00:28:07] can see the minaret of the mosque, which has been martyred. This is the eastern Gaza [00:28:11] area. Here too, many mosques were martyred by the bombing [00:28:15] of Israeli planes. Palestine. [00:28:18] This girl is saying, "Ahlan wa sahlan fi Filastin." Welcome to [00:28:21] Palestine. I am in Baghdad, the capital of Iraq. [00:28:25] From Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, Hamid Mir is present in your service. [00:28:28] From Tora Bora, Hamid Mir is present in your service. The capital of Lebanon... [00:29:39] has announced on August 7, [00:29:42] that is, tomorrow, to block roads across Pakistan. [00:29:45] So what is the reason for this announcement, what are his objectives? Let's talk to him about it. [00:29:49] Thank you very much, Hafiz Naeemur Rehman Sahib. Would you like to tell us [00:29:52] why you have announced that you will block [00:29:56] roads across Pakistan? So [00:29:59] will Jamaat-e-Islami block roads across Pakistan, [00:30:03] and for what reason are you blocking roads? [00:30:06] Look, the basic problem right now is [00:30:11] there is extreme inflation, and a very big cause of it [00:30:14] is petroleum products, and there is such [00:30:18] a huge increase in petroleum products that its effect is being felt on every [00:30:22] aspect of life. Just three days ago, there was a report that 27 more items... [00:30:26] have become expensive. Due to the increase in petrol prices, now these petroleum products [00:30:29] are said by the government that sir, since there was a war. So because of the war, [00:30:33] we increased the prices. Okay, let's say you increased the prices because of the war. [00:30:36] But what is the relation of this levy to their prices, the extortion tax and other taxes [00:30:40] that they have to collect from us and [00:30:43] 1900 billion rupees they have from students, [00:30:47] from common people, from laborers, from farmers whose income is not taxable, [00:30:50] they are paying so much money in the form of petrol levy, [00:30:54] they also put it on diesel, which affects the public.