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[00:00:24] then it also gives a kind
[00:00:30] The country will face a loss of 120 billion rupees due to business closures.
[00:00:33] PTI founder Imran Khan's sister
[00:00:42] Alia Khan was taken into custody in Lahore under the MPO. The Deputy Commissioner of Lahore
[00:00:45] ordered Alia Khan to be kept in jail for 30 days. In the police report, Alia was declared harmful
[00:00:49] to public safety and order. PTI Chairman Barrister Gohar demanded
[00:00:53] the immediate release of Alia Khan.
[00:00:56] I can't believe it's just
[00:01:15] also uses this three MPO.
[00:01:29] this three MPO was also used.
[00:01:49] ہاں سیاسی پہلو یہ ہے
[00:01:54] to pick them up, to shoot them,
[00:07:12] she was abducted, this is nothing but the worst political revenge.
[00:07:16] Geo News correspondent Haider Shirazi spoke to Noreen Niazi, sister of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf founder Imran Khan,
[00:07:19] who said that Halima Khan's arrest can be understood as the fear of the rulers,
[00:07:23] but we are not afraid of such actions,
[00:07:26] we will always strive for our brother. In addition, party
[00:07:30] chairman Barrister Gohar, in a conversation with Geo News today, once again admitted to having a conversation with Mohsin
[00:07:33] Naqvi and said that I do not deny meeting with Mohsin Naqvi.
[00:07:37] Negotiations should happen, but then it's cold, nothing could be worked out.
[00:07:41] On Barrister Gohar's statement, we contacted an important minister of the government
[00:07:44] and asked why the government and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf could not reach an agreement, to which the important
[00:07:48] federal minister said that the government was ready for what Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf was demanding,
[00:07:52] but I don't know what their internal differences are.
[00:07:56] This long march was not announced by Imran Khan, he announced it himself,
[00:08:00] so he himself
[00:08:03] अंदरनी क्या اختلافات ہیں. इस लांग मार्च का ऐलान इमरान खान ने
[00:08:07] नहीं किया था, यह ऐलान उन्होंने खुद किया, इसलिए इस ऐलान
[00:08:10] Thank you.
[00:09:43] Look, in every civilized society
[00:09:46] in the world, raising a voice for one's rights,
[00:09:49] raising a voice for one's rights, raising a voice for one's
[00:09:53] fundamental rights, this is considered a civilized method.
[00:09:57] The constitution and law also allow this.
[00:10:00] So, just as you
[00:10:04] allow Jamaat-e-Islami to hold marches and rallies
[00:10:07] across Pakistan, just as
[00:10:11] you allow Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman Sahib
[00:10:14] to hold rallies and gatherings wherever he wants in Pakistan,
[00:10:18] similarly, we are also Pakistanis, the people of PTA
[00:10:21] are also Pakistanis. It is the fundamental right of all of us to protest,
[00:10:25] to hold peaceful rallies.
[00:10:28] We are talking about peace. So why are they afraid
[00:10:31] of these peaceful rallies? Always, look, peaceful rallies yield
[00:10:35] results. Violent actions
[00:10:39] are not correct. And when any party
[00:10:42] shows its supporters
[00:10:46] they protest,
[00:10:49] of satisfaction that we have raised our voice for our rights. You don't listen to the Supreme Court,
[00:10:53] you don't listen to the judiciary, you paralyze the judiciary,
[00:10:56] you close all legal paths for us,
[00:11:00] you close them for the opponent, then you tell them
[00:11:03] that your voice should not be heard, you should not speak.
[00:11:07] and for everyone else,
[00:11:11] there is one kind of law, and for you, there is another law. This is Pakistan.
[00:11:14] Is this for the people of Pakistan or is it Pakistan according to their will,
[00:11:17] where they want it to go according to their will? You will predict
[00:11:21] beforehand that we will shoot.
[00:11:25] We will do this, we will do that, we have ordered to shoot.
[00:11:29] Then you pick up their sisters.
[00:11:32] Pick up Imran Khan Sahib's sister. And under
[00:11:35] three MPOs, that there is a threat to public order from them,
[00:11:39] you imprison them in jail. Brother, where did this
[00:11:43] fascism come from? You declared
[00:11:47] women, you declared Yasmin Rashid a terrorist.
[00:11:49] ہے؟ اپ عورتوں کو اپ نے
[00:11:53] Where is this justice, man? Then
[00:12:29] if someone picks up a stone
[00:12:33] from ahead, you say they are violent. I don't think
[00:12:36] that's the case. We will come peacefully, whoever
[00:12:40] protests, they will be peaceful. So you are already predicting, sir,
[00:12:43] that if you come, this will happen. You see, my brother,
[00:12:47] it is the right of the citizens of Pakistan to protest peacefully.
[00:12:50] It is our right, it is everyone's right.
[00:12:54] But the order that Islam has given is precisely because of these past
[00:12:57] protests. Whether they say
[00:13:00] that in 2022 trees were burnt, on May 9, 2023,
[00:13:03] there was violence again in 2024, and this is absolutely correct that 14
[00:13:07] of our people are still there, but the government says that other people also brought weapons. You must have heard
[00:13:11] the government still saying that they are preparing to bring weapons.
[00:13:15] You must have heard the government's statement. This is
[00:13:19] not true, brother, these are false narratives, there is no
[00:13:21] such thing. There will be a peaceful protest. Even before, when Imran
[00:13:25] Khan Sahib was coming to Islamabad, you shot at them.
[00:13:28] Was anyone set on fire there? Imran Khan Sahib himself came
[00:13:31] to Islamabad Rawalpindi. You predict first,
[00:13:34] then you impose restrictions on the other person, you create thousands of obstacles
[00:13:38] so that no one can move forward. Then after that,
[00:13:43] you do, you shell, let us protest peacefully. We are responsible.
[00:13:46] No one will shoot anyone,
[00:13:50] human life is very precious. If someone, I, Raja
[00:13:53] Nasir, bring people so that we will kill and be killed,
[00:13:57] they will be killed. These are people's children,
[00:14:01] our children. Why should we incite anyone? Why should we kill anyone? This is
[00:14:04] a very important point. Ultimately, we know that
[00:14:08] peaceful protest yields results.
[00:14:11] When someone becomes violent, then other things happen. This is
[00:14:15] absolutely true. We, as
[00:14:18] What sane person
[00:14:22] would get their children killed? This is correct. Those who are in front of us
[00:14:55] are also our brothers, right? We will bring flowers for them, we will put flowers
[00:14:58] around their necks. We will bring garlands of flowers and put them around their necks.
[00:15:02] But we never want to adopt a path in which,
[00:15:06] God forbid, Pakistanis from both sides die.
[00:15:10] Why should they die? Pakistan.
[00:15:13] The kind of statements coming from both sides of Pakistan, it seems that the matter will lead
[00:15:16] to confrontation. Junaid.
[00:15:20] They will remove these and new people will come. I make you a witness that we will make
[00:15:24] Islamabad Somnath.
[00:16:07] Yes, Allama Sahib, on one hand, they are saying that we know
[00:16:11] the government will shoot, we will pick up bodies, more people will come, and we will make
[00:16:14] Islam Somnath. Now, these are statements of confrontation, right? That if
[00:16:17] a bullet is fired from there, we will also make Islam Somnath.
[00:16:21] You see, I am saying again
[00:16:25] and again that what should the government do here? They should talk,
[00:16:28] negotiate. They should give ways for protest,
[00:16:31] not that they immediately arrest Imran Khan Sahib's sister, Halima Khan,
[00:16:35] under three MPOs, saying they are afraid of her
[00:16:37] and put her in jail. Similarly, talk about others.
[00:16:41] The government facilitates, doesn't it? The government is like a mother.
[00:16:44] Come, let's talk. Why does a protester want to be talked to, and their words heard,
[00:16:48] and their demands met? What they demand should be fulfilled.
[00:16:52] Why are you treating this as enmity? Are Indian forces coming?
[00:16:55] Are Indian soldiers coming?
[00:16:59] دیے جائے جو ہماری ڈیمانڈ ہے وہ پوری کی جائے یہ اپ اس کو کیوں
[00:17:02] دشمنی سمجھ رہے ہیں کوئی انڈیا کی فورسز ا رہی ہیں کوئی انڈیا سے
[00:17:06] along with Gohar Sahib, and
[00:18:08] Mohsin Sahib met the Interior Minister, so what was discussed?
[00:18:11] What were your demands for ending the protest, and is the government
[00:18:15] ready to give anything or not? Because you said yesterday that Imran Khan's health
[00:18:19] and the political situation were discussed, so what is the position?
[00:18:23] Nothing was finalized. Even today, Gohar Sahib said that the matter has cooled down.
[00:18:26] Negotiations.
[00:18:28] Look, the thing is,
[00:18:31] when you announce a protest, the government comes and negotiates
[00:18:34] with you. Only Imran Khan can end
[00:18:46] it. Let us meet Imran Khan. We will meet Imran Khan Sahib,
[00:18:50] we will tell him what you are saying, and we are political people,
[00:18:54] God willing, we will find a solution. The job of politicians
[00:18:57] is to find middle ground, find solutions, and move forward.
[00:19:01] Politicians are not like iron that they have
[00:19:05] no flexibility. You are also politicians, the government is also of politicians.
[00:19:09] Come and talk to us. We said that we will go, we will talk.
[00:19:12] They say, no, first you
[00:19:16] whatever conversation we had, we could not reach any conclusion
[00:19:20] that first you announce, then there will be a meeting,
[00:19:23] guarantee this, they will do that. Ultimately,
[00:19:27] we could not reach any conclusion. Look, brother, they are protesting.
[00:19:31] They are just protesting, aren't they? Let the government, the Prime Minister, come.
[00:19:34] The Prime Minister's ministers are here. In a country where protest dies,
[00:19:50] where opposition dies, that country becomes a graveyard.
[00:19:53] For God's sake, keep opposition alive. For God's sake, keep the rule of law alive.
[00:19:57] For God's sake, keep people
[00:20:00] Yes, we are all seeing the hot policy of this government,
[00:20:03] which is to pick up people, and not just pick them up, but to break
[00:20:07] into houses under three MPOs. We are seeing all this. Yet you are expecting
[00:20:11] that they should not do this. That is probably difficult. But what I understand
[00:20:15] about your point, Allama Sahib, is that you are saying that we only
[00:20:19] asked to arrange a meeting with Imran Khan, which they did not agree to,
[00:20:22] and they expect that first you withdraw the call for protest,
[00:20:26] and then if anything happens, it will happen. Is that it? Look,
[00:20:29] listen, governments and politicians have flexibility.
[00:20:33] They want to solve people's problems instead of creating problems for themselves.
[00:20:38] What kind of talk is this, first you do this, then we will do this?
[00:20:41] The Supreme Court made a decision, you took it to Shaukat Hospital.
[00:20:44] What are you acting upon? What should be believed from your words?
[00:20:48] The situation in Pakistan is such that
[00:21:06] sometimes Jamaat-e-Islami comes, sometimes farmers come,
[00:21:10] sometimes someone else. One day,
[00:21:13] they will all come out together, then what will you do? Whom will you shoot?
[00:21:17] Whom will you scare? Your meeting with Muhammad Naqvi Sahib happened,
[00:21:50] Allama Sahib, and regarding Mohsin Naqvi Sahib, it was that he was in touch with Gohar Sahib
[00:21:54] during the meeting, and he was also on board with this whole facilitation of taking
[00:21:58] him to Shifa Hospital. Sir, they say this, but
[00:22:02] he also did not show any flexibility in his conversation with you.
[00:22:04] Look, brother,
[00:22:07] I am saying again and again that you will have to show flexibility.
[00:22:11] You should officially talk to the people
[00:22:14] who are demonstrating, who are protesting.
[00:22:18] Whoever you are, you talk to them. You are also talking to Jamaat-e-Islami,
[00:22:22] you talk to everyone. To sideline PTA and to declare
[00:22:26] 70-80-90% of the people of Pakistan as terrorists,
[00:22:29] to declare them as extremists. Extremism is this, terrorism is this,
[00:22:33] that you harass someone, shoot them, kill them.
[00:22:36] This is terrorism. What is the definition of terrorism?
[00:22:38] That is, to harass, to illegally enter people's homes,
[00:22:44] to kill them. This is terrorism. Who is doing this?
[00:22:48] So before
[00:22:51] time passes and water flows under the bridges,
[00:22:55] and then you get nothing. Allama Sahib, are there any chances of talks this week,
[00:22:59] or are they over? Is there a deadlock that will continue until the 27th?
[00:23:03] Look, no one closes the door to negotiations.
[00:23:08] Closing the door to talks is not right. Whoever loves their country,
[00:23:11] whoever wants peace in this country,
[00:23:15] progress and development within this country, they never close the door to talks.
[00:23:19] We never close the door to talks. Come, let's talk reasonably.
[00:23:23] Sit down and talk properly. Solve the problems. What do you want?
[00:23:26] What is written in this demand? Perhaps the demands will increase now.
[00:23:30] Imran Khan Sahib's treatment, meetings, his
[00:23:33] fundamental rights should be given to him. Correct. This is absolutely right. And
[00:23:37] yesterday I had a big talk. Sir Allama Sahib, yesterday Sheikh Waqas Akram Sahib
[00:23:40] was on my program, and I asked him if Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Aain-e-Pakistan would also be with you in this
[00:23:44] protest. He said that they would be with us morally,
[00:23:48] and I also asked by naming your party,
[00:23:50] he said they would be morally, and I think
[00:23:54] comes and says that they will be morally, it means you people will stay at home,
[00:23:58] you will not come out with PTI. What is this plan of Tehreek Tahaffuz-e-Aain-e-Pakistan?
[00:24:01] Look, I think
[00:24:04] things will become clear in a day or two.
[00:24:07] Yes, and I hope that perhaps the whole of Pakistan will come out.
[00:24:11] Okay, you will see in a day or two,
[00:24:13] and things are coming out. The whole of Pakistan will come out,
[00:24:17] not just PTI. The whole of Pakistan will come out.
[00:24:21] I am saying again and again, for God's sake, be sensible.
[00:24:25] Time is slipping away quickly. Our rulers should
[00:24:29] pay attention to Pakistan. Don't stay outside Pakistan too much.
[00:24:32] There is insecurity and problems here. This system has collapsed.
[00:24:35] Stay in Pakistan and try to fix it. If politicians don't fix it,
[00:24:39] then who will fix it? Thank you very much, Allama Raja Nasir Abbas,
[00:24:43] who was with us, saying that the protest on September 27 will be peaceful.
[00:24:46] It will be the government's responsibility to talk to us. We will talk more
[00:24:50] about this topic, for which we have been joined by senior journalist and analyst Hamid Mir.
[00:24:54] Hamid Sahib, thank you very much for joining us. There is a protest
[00:24:58] on the 27th, but before that, big news came today that Aleema Khan Sahiba,
[00:25:01] Imran Khan's sister, has been arrested under three MPOs.
[00:25:05] Now many people are saying that she was a crowd-puller, so she should not have been in Punjab,
[00:25:09] there are so many restrictions there, she should have been in KP,
[00:25:13] but on the other hand, the important question is that the Noon League
[00:25:17] shows great sensitivity that women should not be dragged into politics
[00:25:20] in this way or arrested, but today,
[00:25:24] after Bushra Bibi, Aleema Khan Sahiba has also been arrested from Punjab.
[00:25:28] Look, there is a legal aspect to this arrest, and there is a political
[00:25:31] aspect to it. The legal aspect
[00:25:35] is very important that Aleema Khan was arrested under
[00:25:39] three MPOs, Section Three of the Maintenance of Public Ordinance
[00:25:42] 1960. So Ayub Khan, who was Pakistan's
[00:25:46] first military dictator, when he started arrests,
[00:25:51] he was not getting cases, so then he gave authority
[00:25:54] to the Deputy Commissioner to arrest anyone,
[00:25:57] and this is coming from the British era, it was the Rowlatt
[00:26:01] Act of 1918.
[00:26:04] When Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali opposed this law when
[00:26:07] arrests without trial were brought in, he resigned from his assembly
[00:26:10] membership. This is our history, such a black law,
[00:26:14] it was a black law, such a black law it is. So he
[00:26:18] Ayub Khan Sahib introduced
[00:26:21] this three MPO in 1960.
[00:26:24] After that, many people are arrested in this way. Yes, this means that this is a colonial law,
[00:26:28] this is a black law, and it is used
[00:27:02] when you do not have any case
[00:27:06] against a politician or a journalist, then you arrest them under three
[00:27:09] Now, not only the Punjab
[00:27:12] Government uses three MPO, but the PTI government in KP
[00:27:17] It is mostly used against journalists, but the police generally
[00:27:21] use it. The PTI government says that
[00:27:24] we don't know about it. Okay, but when
[00:27:28] Imran Khan Sahib was Prime Minister,
[00:27:32] So this is a black law and a colonial legacy,
[00:27:36] it should be abolished. Now, let's come to the other
[00:27:39] political aspect of your question. Yes, the political aspect is
[00:27:43] that during Imran Khan's tenure,
[00:27:47] اب ا جائیں جو اپ کے سوال کا دوسرا سیاسی پہلو سیاسی پہلو
[00:27:52] کہ
[00:27:55] and it was said that Imran Khan
[00:27:58] victimized the women of our family. Then Imran Khan went to jail,
[00:28:02] and Shahbaz Sharif Sahib became Prime Minister, so Bushra Bibi was arrested.
[00:28:05] It balanced out. Now you have arrested Imran Khan's sister
[00:28:08] under three MPOs. This means
[00:28:12] that you did not have any case of corruption or any illegal
[00:28:15] activity against her. In the cases against her,
[00:28:19] she is on bail. She has been granted bail.
[00:28:23] Now this balance sheet has gone bad.
[00:28:26] The balance sheet of politics in Pakistan has gone bad.
[00:28:30] Okay, first one woman of the Sharif family was arrested,
[00:28:34] they arrested one woman of Imran Khan's family, now you have arrested
[00:28:37] the second woman of Omar's family, and you have arrested
[00:28:41] his real elder sister, whose age
[00:28:44] is also advanced. So I think
[00:28:47] that this new injection of vendetta and revenge
[00:28:51] in Pakistan's politics will have effects
[00:28:54] that we will suffer for many years, not many decades,
[00:28:57] for many decades, and this series will continue. That is, if Imran Khan
[00:29:01] comes into power somehow, or if PTI comes into power,
[00:29:04] then this revenge will continue. Look, whether Imran Khan comes into power or not,
[00:29:08] this is a precedent set by the Punjab Government,
[00:29:12] whose head is Maryam Nawaz Sahiba,
[00:29:16] and it will be taken in this sense that because Maryam Nawaz
[00:29:19] was arrested during Imran Khan's tenure, so that's fine.
[00:29:23] ہیں وہ مریم نواز صاحبہ ہیں اور اس کو
[00:29:26] that please come to Peshawar
[00:29:30] گیا تھا تو ٹھیک ہے
[00:30:02] and when we hold a long march on September 27,
[00:30:06] you should join it. Aleema Khan Sahiba said that
[00:30:10] since Imran Khan has given instructions
[00:30:13] politics, I will stay in Lahore. Don't worry,
[00:30:17] I will mobilize the crowd in Lahore. Right, okay.
[00:30:20] So she was arrested. Now,
[00:30:23] in this
[00:30:25] Aleema Khan Sahiba knew that she was going
[00:30:28] to be arrested. Now, regarding the protest
[00:30:32] on the 27th, Allama Nasir Sahib was still with us and
[00:30:35] was saying that the protest will happen. PTI is also saying this. Meanwhile,
[00:30:39] Attaullah Tarar and the government are saying that they will not allow them to come to Islamabad.
[00:30:43] Does the coming week seem like a week of confrontation to you?
[00:30:47] What is the situation you are seeing? Look, for the past
[00:30:50] two to three weeks, back-door channels
[00:30:53] were open.