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[00:00:00] Police
[00:00:03] officers were martyred in dozens, so
[00:00:07] on the other hand, thousands of police personnel are also
[00:00:10] making sacrifices. So, let's continue the conversation with our
[00:00:14] guests. Ehsan, this
[00:00:18] power and strength of TTP, obviously,
[00:00:21] after APS, when major operations were launched, after
[00:00:25] that, for some time, we saw that TTP had almost
[00:00:29] disappeared from the scene. How did TTP
[00:00:32] get this new birth? This happened in 2018 when Mullah
[00:00:35] Fazlullah was killed by an American drone in Kunar, Afghanistan. So, at that
[00:00:39] time, after that, Noor Ali Mehsud who was there. Who were
[00:00:43] targets Noor Ali Mehsud. the founding fathers, you can say that TTP, at that time, Mehsud Baitullah was in charge,
[00:00:47] Mehsud Taliban, so he was with Baitullah Mehsud at that time.
[00:00:50] So, he became their Emir.
[00:00:52] or alarming for me, is And so, as soon as he came, the first thing he started
[00:00:56] doing was to bring back those people or groups who had left them.
[00:01:00] And he brought them back in large numbers and then,
[00:01:03] after
[00:01:06] Hakeemullah Mehsud's death, Noor Ali
[00:01:10] Mehsud is more educated and a great strategist, and also qualified.
[00:01:13] That is, ideologically, he is a Mufti and a strategist. This
[00:01:17] entire operational strategy or the mixture
[00:01:21] he has created of nationalism and jihad, that
[00:01:24] often, if you read their literature, it's not just purely about jihad.
[00:01:28] They say that Pashtuns are being wronged, Pashtuns should rise up
[00:01:31] just like Baloch are fighting. So, Pashtuns should join
[00:01:35] us, that is, join us and pick up arms. Nothing happens from these gatherings.
[00:01:39] He is also very famous for jirgas,
[00:01:43] And
[00:01:46] the federal government is alleging another thing is that he is also senior.
[00:01:48] In the ranks of TTP, if you look, there is Maulvi Azmatullah
[00:01:52] Mehsud, there are two or three others, Faqir Muhammad
[00:01:54] is there, so because of that, he has a lot of respect there. And another big
[00:01:58] achievement of his is that he made
[00:02:01] So, this is our condition, a very close relationship with the Afghan Taliban. That is, during Hakeemullah
[00:02:04] Mehsud's time, when we used to report, it was known that
[00:02:08] he did not get along with the Afghan Taliban in the last two times. Even with Al-Qaeda,
[00:02:11] he had tensions. Hakeemullah Mehsud did not listen to anyone much,
[00:02:15] but he has also brought the Afghan Taliban
[00:02:18] quite close to him, and because of that,
[00:02:22] the Afghan Taliban are completely
[00:02:24] when they use quadcopters, supporting him, and they are so ready that Pakistan is regularly launching attacks there,
[00:02:28] but they are still not abandoning TTP. So, this is his,
[00:02:32] that is, he should get credit for this. Secondly,
[00:02:36] a new development that you mentioned about the presence of TTP
[00:02:39] in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, that we are seeing in Bannu, and my conversations with local
[00:02:43] people, I talked to them even while coming here, so a new development had happened
[00:02:47] there in the name of the Police Peace Committee. So,
[00:02:50] since they started operations, the local police there,
[00:02:54] it's been almost a month that attacks in Bannu are almost
[00:02:57] non-existent. Although, the most attacks that have happened are large-scale
[00:03:02] So, the point is attacks, targeted killings, IEDs, etc., they happened in Bannu.
[00:03:05] That is, only the Bannu Cantonment, it was attacked multiple times, in which five, six,
[00:03:09] seven suicide bombers entered together. So, those things have reduced significantly.
[00:03:13] When we talk to the local people, they want
[00:03:16] peace here, no matter how. So, they are supporting the police
[00:03:20] now, and the police are also getting ground intelligence. The Police Peace Committee, and
[00:03:24] that thing is also proving effective on the ground.
[00:03:28] So, if this is the situation, So, I think we are seeing a new model regarding militancy in South Khyber
[00:03:32] Pakhtunkhwa, that area which used to be a stronghold, now we are
[00:03:35] seeing that the intensity, the number
[00:03:40] leadership says that we have of people has decreased significantly. Ismael Khan, the situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
[00:03:46] to fight them. Although, you remember in its deterioration or the resurgence of TTP, is there any
[00:03:48] role of the Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan?
[00:03:52] This is a very big
[00:03:55] factor. Let me tell you that if I
[00:03:58] have
[00:04:02] and all the people inside are martyred.
[00:04:41] is becoming its target,
[00:05:00] how easy it is to do, how they operate. Logistically, they have
[00:05:03] weapons. You are right, what he
[00:05:06] said and
[00:05:08] if there is governance, they fix it in 100 days. the statistics you mentioned, we can talk about that.
[00:06:13] And in this, we have had
[00:06:16] almost 82 martyrs,
[00:06:19] and besides that,
[00:06:22] there has been quite almost, you can say,
[00:06:25] a double increase in the attacks, in the helicopter attacks
[00:06:29] of the Taliban, in the helicopter attacks. Okay, what is the issue?
[00:06:32] The issue is that this is a separate debate, and I think it should be discussed
[00:06:36] that our political government here,
[00:06:40] the PTI government,
[00:06:42] they say that all drone attacks
[00:06:46] should be stopped, and they have also run a big campaign
[00:06:50] against them. When Imran Khan was not in power,
[00:06:54] since then, he has made a big push. I remember,
[00:06:58] he even held a sit-in against drone attacks at that time.
[00:07:02] American drone attacks used to happen. Okay, now
[00:07:05] they say that whenever a drone attack happens,
[00:07:08] and suspected drone attacks where civilian casualties
[00:07:12] occur, they say that
[00:07:14] our security forces did it. But the
[00:07:17] attacks,
[00:07:20] the helicopter attacks that happen, in which the Taliban
[00:07:23] themselves admit that they carried out so many attacks,
[00:07:26] in which there are police casualties,
[00:07:30] there are also casualties of our law enforcement. There are about 50-52
[00:07:33] civilians in this one year alone. When Sohail Afridi
[00:07:37] Sahib, who
[00:07:40] came in mid-October 2025, and until now. He says that drone attacks
[00:07:43] should be stopped. So, if this demand is being made on one side, it should also be made on the other side
[00:07:47] that drone attacks should not happen at all, but attacks
[00:07:50] are happening. When you build a one-sided
[00:07:54] narrative that it is happening from here and not from there,
[00:07:58] now the figures I have, in that the 52 civilian casualties are
[00:08:01] those in which the Taliban's helicopter
[00:08:05] attacks happened. Then I told you that there are also police, and other law enforcement
[00:08:09] casualties are also included in that.
[00:08:15] that not only has their network expanded, as Teepo said,
[00:08:18] but also another thing,
[00:08:22] one is the TTP's very big
[00:08:25] factor, but the way
[00:08:28] Hafiz Gul Bahadur's group expanded, then they made their
[00:08:32] alliances, the way it branched out. Before that, it was a very
[00:08:36] limited area for them in North Waziristan. It used to operate in that,
[00:08:40] but then after that, the way it expanded its network,
[00:09:12] we talk a lot about the National Action Plan. I think there is a big difference
[00:09:16] between the National Action Plan and counter-terror or
[00:09:20] counter-insurgency, whatever you call it. Both are
[00:09:24] very different. One is a long-term thing, like you
[00:09:27] have to de-radicalize,
[00:09:31] eliminate extremism, eliminate other root causes.
[00:09:34] That is a long-term plan. Our politicians also,
[00:09:38] when they get together, they say that action is not happening in NAB, so because
[00:09:42] of that,
[00:10:21] Whatever happens, they say that in 100 days we will fix it for you.
[00:11:36] What will they do? How will it end? After that, things become silent. So, I think they have
[00:11:40] oversimplified many things and presented
[00:11:43] a formula, saying that this will happen, and that will happen.
[00:11:47] I think this should be discussed. Okay,
[00:11:51] Arshad Aziz Malik Sahib, Ismael Khan Sahib mentioned
[00:11:55] that at this time, the militants
[00:11:58] have a lot of American weapons in their hands.
[00:12:01] They also have weapons like quadcopters,
[00:12:05] laser guns. In response,
[00:12:11] that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police was not equipped
[00:12:15] in the way it should have been. How much
[00:12:18] truth is there in the federal government's allegation,
[00:12:22] and what is the capacity of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
[00:12:25] police against those people?
[00:12:28] Safi Sahib, first of all, I would say
[00:12:30] that this war on terror did not start today.
[00:12:34] The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf government has been in power for the last 13
[00:12:37] years. They know that these are the challenges, so we should have
[00:12:40] equipped our police well. I completely agree
[00:12:44] with your point that when they use lasers,
[00:12:49] when they use drones, we don't have a counter to that.
[00:12:53] That is, they were attacking with drones, and we
[00:12:57] didn't even have anti-drone guns. So, we are quite
[00:13:00] behind them. They are quite ahead. Now, if
[00:13:04] we look at this allegation,
[00:13:08] I asked the police today, I said,
[00:13:11] "What was your demand in the budget
[00:13:14] that came out for 2026-27?" So, they said that with great difficulty,
[00:13:18] they said, "Sir, please tell us the minimum budget."
[00:13:21] So, we said
[00:13:25] that we need
[00:13:28] 33 billion rupees for reforms.
[00:13:31] Then there is also an operational budget.
[00:13:34] So, you know that they cut it and approved 17 billion
[00:13:38] in total, saying that you have to get everything
[00:13:41] in 17 billion. You have to buy bulletproof cars, weapons, whatever you want to do, do it.
[00:13:45] Okay, then I asked them, "It's the fourth month now, so how much money has been received?"
[00:13:49] So, they say, "Not a single penny has been received."
[00:13:53] that July has passed,
[00:13:55] August has also passed, September has also passed, October has come, and you
[00:13:58] have not released a single rupee. That is, you made 33 into 17,
[00:14:02] but then you have not released it from the budget yet. Then they said, "There is an operational budget
[00:14:06] of 14 billion rupees. Not a single rupee
[00:14:10] of that has been released yet." Then the infrastructure,
[00:14:13] Safi Sahib, there are buildings of police stations
[00:14:17] and outposts, especially in the South and
[00:14:20] merged areas, that they will fall with the wind. So, when a car comes
[00:14:24] and hits them, the entire building collapses
[00:14:27] For this, they said that they need 60 crore rupees
[00:14:31] so that they can strengthen them, make their walls bulletproof,
[00:14:35] put up fences in front of them. They say that they have not received
[00:14:38] money for that yet, and only 16 crore has been released out of
[00:14:42] 60 crore. So, this is our condition. We have
[00:14:45] 135,000 police personnel here.
[00:14:49] Our total capacity here is
[00:14:52] 135,000 sanctioned posts. It is now being said
[00:14:56] that there is a shortage of 15,000. Okay, if there is a shortage of 15,000, then
[00:15:00] recruit them. Okay, they are not even recruiting them.
[00:15:03] Then, along with that, these are approximately
[00:15:07] 14,000, 13,500 slightly more police
[00:15:11] personnel who are deployed for the security of our bureaucrats, our politicians,
[00:15:14] our judges. So, you see, when you lose
[00:15:18] 15,000, 15,000 will provide good security duty. Okay,
[00:15:22] then the provincial government says that we have
[00:15:32] the major portion of it is all salaries.
[00:15:35] That is, every year, when the salary increases by 15%,
[00:15:39] your salary budget automatically increases by two, three, four billion.
[00:15:43] Then pensions also come into that. Then your other expenses,
[00:15:47] petrol has gone to a very high price. So, actually,
[00:15:51] neither CTD has been strengthened. If
[00:15:55] this was your condition last year that 175 personnel were martyred,
[00:15:58] this year, so far, 230 personnel have been martyred.
[00:16:01] There are still three months left. So, shouldn't the police have been
[00:16:05] organized? Last year, the police asked for 50 billion.
[00:16:09] They reluctantly gave them 15-20 billion rupees. Some federal government gave it.
[00:16:13] This way, it will not work that you run the police on an ad-hoc basis, that you keep
[00:16:17] getting martyred. Now, look, you leave your police personnel
[00:16:20] in such places where they don't have
[00:16:24] any modern technology, and they cannot protect
[00:16:27] themselves there. And when they are attacked, they don't
[00:16:31] have cars, bulletproof cars, to go there. About six, eight months ago,
[00:16:35] I asked the IG Sahib how many bulletproof cars there are. He said there is only one
[00:16:39] with him. Now, imagine in such a province
[00:16:42] where there are no bulletproof cars. Okay,
[00:16:46] now CTD has a total of 17 cars.
[00:16:50] Tell me, will they conduct operations or will our other police personnel
[00:16:54] go somewhere? If you don't have a car, when firing happens,
[00:16:58] they get martyred. So, for IEDs, they didn't have jammers.
[00:17:01] So, the need was
[00:17:05] that if you cannot fulfill your requirements, then ask the federal government.
[00:17:08] Let me tell you that last year it happened that the federal government gave
[00:17:12] 14 billion rupees in AIP, which is a fund related
[00:17:16] to our FATA. You can work in FATA with that.
[00:17:20] A press release was issued in which the IG Sahib thanked
[00:17:23] the federal government. You know, the CM Sahib
[00:17:27] was so angry about it. He reprimanded the IG Sahib
[00:17:31] for thanking the federal government. So, he said
[00:17:35] that since they gave money, he thanked them.
[00:17:38] that we cannot tolerate if we take something for the police
[00:17:42] from the federal government. They sent three cars.
[00:17:45] They were told that they were old cars, so send them
[00:17:49] back. So, our attitude, our way
[00:17:53] of talking has become such that we cannot
[00:17:56] tolerate it. It gets noticed on social media. So, whatever comes to mind, they say it.
[00:18:00] So, my own
[00:18:04] the TTP Swat chapter, when negotiations were happening,
[00:18:08] General Faiz and company were told that you always come
[00:18:11] here for negotiations, so give us a chance too. Our relatives
[00:18:15] are there. We will meet them. And to meet them,
[00:18:19] those people came, including the peacekeepers. They came here. Then a famous
[00:18:22] battle also happened, in which they attacked security forces. Their families
[00:18:26] were also with them. My information is that those male militants
[00:18:29] came more. And no, how many were they?
[00:18:32] That is, around 300-400.
[00:18:36] Okay, such people came. It's not just Swat, some other people from Malakand
[00:18:39] Division also
[00:18:42] came, and some such people in Waziristan also came to meet their families
[00:18:46] for weddings and funerals. It's been a long time,
[00:18:50] years have passed. So, this is a tradition, so we should be given a chance. And at that time,
[00:18:54] a ceasefire was also in effect from TTP's side for a month,
[00:18:58] then for three months, and from the Pakistani government's side
[00:19:01] also. So, those things started during PTI's time,
[00:19:05] and the architect was General Faiz Sahib. And General Faiz Sahib
[00:19:09] was not doing it in isolation, that he was just an individual.
[00:19:12] So, our institutions also had their full support. Bajwa Sahib was the Army Chief
[00:19:15] at that time. When he became the Corps Commander, he continued those things.
[00:19:19] He had a very close relationship with the Haqqanis. And
[00:19:23] when we talk to TTP people, they often say that
[00:19:26] yes, we used to meet them too. When they came to Afghanistan, I think they mention
[00:19:30] Khost. Later, those things completely ended.
[00:19:34] But the thing was that these things started during PTI's time. But here, when
[00:19:38] the PDM government came, in the three meetings of the National Security Committee,
[00:19:42] all the political parties, as Ismael Khan Sahib also mentioned,
[00:19:45] their heads were there. So, they got endorsement that yes,
[00:19:49] this process should be continued. So,
[00:19:52] this was it. Secondly, I want to add one thing regarding the police.
[00:19:56] We misunderstand the police. The police are never
[00:20:00] trained to fight a very well-organized, well-trained, highly
[00:20:03] radicalized insurgency or militancy or
[00:20:06] terrorists, if you call them. That is, in Afghanistan, the NATO
[00:20:10] forces, American forces, could not fight the Taliban.
[00:20:14] So, how will the poor police here fight them? Secondly, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's
[00:20:18] border is not like America, which came from across the sea. Our police
[00:20:21] are from our own country. No, I am saying that there was also Ashraf Ghani's
[00:20:25] very well-trained army there, very well-equipped. NATO itself had trained them.
[00:20:29] Their special forces were trained by Americans and others.
[00:20:32] But they also could not fight. So, the police here,
[00:20:36] their training is not for this. Their investigation
[00:20:40] is their job. Civil law enforcement and crime control.
[00:20:43] At this time, okay, Daesh Khorasan, for example, Maulana
[00:20:46] Idrees Sahib was martyred. The responsibility for this
[00:21:04] and openly, the Afghan Taliban, who suffered the most losses since they came to power,
[00:21:08] were inflicted by Daesh Khorasan. Khalil Haqqani, their Refugee
[00:21:11] Minister, their Governor of Herat, the Police Chief of Badakhshan, many of their
[00:21:15] people were killed by them. And even now, when we talk to the Afghan Taliban, the most
[00:21:18] who blame themselves are from Daesh Khorasan.
[00:21:22] And secondly, they also target TTP, especially
[00:21:26] Noor Ali Mehsud, a lot. Now, in their recent literature,
[00:21:30] Daesh Khorasan directly
[00:21:33] No, I am understanding their presence in this region. Their presence
[00:21:37] is there. Now, the most interesting thing that I want to add,
[00:21:42] that Daesh Khorasan operates in pockets. They have
[00:21:46] sleeper cells. Sometimes, there will be two or three people. Their presence
[00:21:50] is in Bajaur, but that area where the Salafi
[00:21:54] school of thought is, their presence is there. Burkh
[00:21:57] Amberkhail, the Khyber area, also has such people. But
[00:22:01] South Waziristan, which is now called Lower Waziristan, the Wana
[00:22:05] area, there are continuous attacks from their side, which is completely the stronghold
[00:22:09] of Deoband, where Salafism is almost non-existent, rather it is
[00:22:12] not there at all. So, the continuous attacks happening there, senior people of JUI are being killed,
[00:22:15] local peace committee members are being killed. Okay.
[00:22:19] Okay.
[00:22:42] After control, it moves to other districts.
[00:22:46] And in Punjab or there.
[00:22:50] Their activities are almost non-existent. So,
[00:22:53] is this TTP's strategy? Has there been a change
[00:22:57] in it that they will move forward step by step,
[00:23:00] or can they not carry out
[00:23:04] operations in Punjab and other places?
[00:23:05] Safi Sahib,
[00:23:08] I would say that they have the ability
[00:23:11] to carry out operations throughout Pakistan. They can happen. They even did it in Karachi,
[00:23:15] if you remember. Then in Pindi, you can see in Islamabad.
[00:23:19] Okay, yes,
[00:23:24] in that regard, I say that all these organizations, my own
[00:23:28] opinion is that all organizations have coordination among themselves, but their focus
[00:23:31] is Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, and now slowly we are seeing that their activities
[00:23:35] are also increasing in Balochistan. So, if we say here
[00:23:38] that they want more facilitation, you see,
[00:23:42] a narrative is created here, right,
[00:23:46] that this is a dollar war, this is an imposed
[00:23:50] war, this is the establishment's own war. So, they get
[00:23:54] more sympathy here. Here, if
[00:23:57] you look at all the incidents of terrorism that have happened here,
[00:24:01] you will see that facilitation has been done by our local people.
[00:24:05] So, in the suicide attacks that have happened, you can also
[00:24:08] see that 77% of the people were Afghan nationals. Similarly,
[00:24:12] in all the attacks happening, the majority comes from there,
[00:24:16] but you will get facilitation here. The reason for this is
[00:24:20] that we could not create a narrative against them here,
[00:24:24] and we have confused people's minds.
[00:24:27] When your political
[00:24:30] to talk to them, negotiate with them, we don't have
[00:24:36] that from 2004, the Shakai agreement, the matter starts
[00:24:39] and until 2008-09, seven major agreements happen in Swat.
[00:24:43] Dozens of small agreements happened, but after every agreement,
[00:24:46] there was a violation. Now, in Bajaur, in Kataf,
[00:24:50] they sent dozens of jirgas, but then they failed.
[00:24:53] Despite this, it is said that
[00:24:57] in this area, the operations happening
[00:25:00] are a kind of conspiracy against us, that the
[00:25:04] establishment wants to seize minerals here.
[00:25:07] Sometimes people are told one story, sometimes another. So, I
[00:25:11] think this has caused more damage, and TTP is benefiting from this
[00:25:15] because people's minds believe that
[00:25:19] they are also fighting a war,
[00:25:22] a war of freedom. So, I think
[00:25:26] if we look at this in the larger picture, because of this, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
[00:25:31] that our people are, as Teepo
[00:25:34] said, and Ismael Sahib said, now there are more reports
[00:25:38] that more recruitment is being done in TTP from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Children
[00:25:42] are being taken away. So, if this continues, that there will be unemployment
[00:25:46] in the province, the economic situation in the province will not be good,
[00:25:49] then what will these children do? Then, of course, they will be used.
[00:25:53] And now, the new reports coming are that more young people are being taken
[00:25:57] from here after recruitment. So, I think this will be very dangerous
[00:26:00] for the province, and towards this, the government, the federal
[00:26:04] government, should also pay attention, and the provincial government should also seriously pay attention to this.
[00:26:08] Thank you very much, Arshad Aziz Malik Sahib, Mr. Ismael Khan
[00:26:12] Sahib, and Mr. Ehsan Teepoo Sahib for giving us your time.
[00:26:15] With this prayer that wherever you are, stay in peace,
[00:26:19] stay happy. I bid farewell from today's Jirga. Allah Hafiz.
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