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[00:00:17] to deal with terrorism
[00:00:19] had a disagreement over it.
[00:03:27] the Pakistani state. Then when it is said
[00:03:31] Look, the thing is
[00:03:32] war, then obviously
[00:03:56] their weapons
[00:04:08] Time is changing and the angle
[00:04:12] of news also
[00:04:15] every topic will be commented
[00:04:19] on every aspect in a new style
[00:04:22] with Pakistan's most
[00:04:25] credible and powerful comments Governor Raj has also been imposed,
[00:06:12] exactly when this decision was made, a while ago, Sohail Afridi Sahab had tweeted,
[00:06:16] in which he said that we have no other option
[00:06:20] but to accept our demands, doing such acts without declaring
[00:06:23] emergency or Governor Raj comes under rebellion, gather courage
[00:06:27] and declare, so the government has also declared
[00:06:31] emergency and Governor Raj has also been imposed, from this tweet it seems
[00:06:35] that Sohail Afridi probably wanted political suicide,
[00:06:38] is that the case?
[00:06:41] No, it's not about political suicide, these are people's assumptions.
[00:06:44] Obviously, he is a young man, and the
[00:06:47] leadership of the street movement was entrusted
[00:06:51] to him by his leader. You expect that in such a situation,
[00:06:54] when five ministers are holding press conferences
[00:06:58] at different times and threatening him,
[00:07:02] as a political activist, such a reaction
[00:07:06] is natural. This was the natural reaction, what else was there? What
[00:07:09] would he say? He would tweet this.
[00:08:12] So terrorism is a cancer for the economy, for this country, for this state,
[00:08:16] fighting it, ending it, that is better
[00:08:19] for the economy and the state, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has never said
[00:08:23] that we are with terrorists, we will not let terrorism fight,
[00:08:27] no, that's not true, when you started the operation, internally displaced
[00:08:31] people happened, the Khyber operation happened, so who paid
[00:08:34] the 5 billion rupee cost of their displacement? Sohail
[00:08:37] Afridi's first cabinet meeting approved the money,
[00:08:41] and he gave those funds. After that,
[00:08:44] the operations in Kurram and other districts
[00:08:48] had 20 billion rupees allocated for internally temporarily
[00:08:52] displaced people in that budget. We increased the police budget.
[00:08:56] You didn't give any money. Regarding compensation, you were supposed to give your money,
[00:08:59] you didn't. Regarding weapons, you were supposed to give money, you didn't
[00:09:02] give. So the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government did everything from its own pocket.
[00:09:06] Separate funds were allocated for martyrs. Among the four provinces, Shehzad
[00:09:10] Bhai. Only one province.
[00:10:12] Does a provincial government ever take confidence like that? They were saying that they should sit together and make
[00:10:16] a joint strategy, consult,
[00:10:19] our voter is the one who voted against these things.
[00:10:23] If you keep killing people over there,
[00:10:27] where there will be collateral damage, and fewer terrorists
[00:10:29] will be killed and more innocent people will be killed, and ultimately people will blame
[00:10:33] us that you are getting our civilians killed, you are getting our people killed, so
[00:10:37] now let's sit together, the method
[00:10:44] It could have been discussed but they said it couldn't be discussed.
[00:10:48] This was before the committee meeting, because for a long time
[00:10:51] it was being said that brother, you should police. We will talk about
[00:11:25] this. There is a legal way. The other way that Sohail Afridi
[00:11:29] Sahab was repeatedly telling, as I said, even today he said, "If you have the guts,
[00:11:33] then do it." This was about the public coming out on the streets. But you must have
[00:11:36] seen, I think, even on social media, that no such large public
[00:11:40] has come out, even though Shazad Khatak and Shafiullah Jan are repeatedly asking people
[00:11:43] to come out from the tribal areas, people from Peshawar have come out. Why haven't
[00:11:47] people come out? Look, so much fear
[00:11:50] has been spread. When MNAs were picked up,
[00:11:54] you and when they were abducted, they didn't even go to the MPAs, they just left.
[00:11:57] Then what happened last night?
[00:12:01] What happened during the day today? How
[00:12:04] were containers placed? So the same thing happened here
[00:12:07] that has been happening in Punjab for the last three years. An atmosphere of fear
[00:12:11] has been created, and that atmosphere of fear, they say, Imran Khan's PTI
[00:12:15] is a stronghold, the situation in KP is very different from Punjab. So if even there
[00:12:18] today people didn't come out, then how will the people who were doing long march, long march, saying that they will come to Islamabad,
[00:12:22] how will they come to Islamabad?
[00:13:56] that what people apparently consider a loss
[00:14:00] in politics, ultimately proves to be your capital.
[00:14:03] When Imran Khan Sahib came out
[00:14:07] and was removed from the government, and all that
[00:14:10] happened, people thought that we were left with PTI.
[00:14:13] When elections were held for 14 seats
[00:14:16] in Punjab, we won all 14. You must remember, Imran Khan Sahib himself
[00:14:20] fought on how many seats, he won all of them, despite
[00:14:24] such hostility.
[00:15:38] Now, the first thing is that they will challenge it in court.
[00:15:42] They will raise their voice in this regard,
[00:15:45] and the forum available to us. Do you have expectations
[00:15:49] from the constitutional court? We have always, despite
[00:15:53] so much injustice and cruelty, expected from the courts after Allah.
[00:15:56] And I left the most important question for the end. Sohail
[00:16:00] Afridi and Junaid Akbar's arrest reports came. I just asked Talal Sahib,
[00:16:04] he said we have detained some people, he didn't take names. What information do you have?
[00:16:10] Absolutely, Sohail Afridi
[00:16:13] and Junaid Akbar Sahab, we have reports of their arrest.
[00:16:17] We have lost contact with some
[00:16:20] people. We don't know if they have been detained
[00:16:23] or not. So we are unable
[00:16:27] to say anything accurate. Meaning, there is no news about Shazia Khattak,
[00:16:31] whether he has been arrested or not, because he tweeted an hour or two ago,
[00:16:35] but after that, our contact with him was lost.
[00:16:39] There is no news about Shafiullah Jan, whether he has been arrested or not, his tweets are also coming. So
[00:16:43] because in many places, the internet is also shut down, Shehzad Bhai,
[00:16:46] so there are no contacts. Then you have no idea
[00:16:50] what kind of chaos they have created in KP.
[00:16:54] People are running here and there, some are running here, some are running there, some are
[00:16:57] hiding, it's a difficult situation for you. And
[00:17:01] many people used to make speculations about you too, that you are also
[00:17:05] in the Chief Minister's House, and giving interviews from there, but today's interview with you
[00:17:09] must have made people realize that you are not in the CM House, because if you were there,
[00:17:12] perhaps you would have also been arrested, or at least, as many mouths, so many words. Since my
[00:17:16] younger brother, Azizullah, may Allah bless him with a long life, Sohail Afridi became Chief Minister,
[00:17:20] I didn't get a single day to go to Peshawar
[00:17:24] other than press conferences.
[00:17:28] I neither went to the Chief Minister's House for a single day,
[00:17:31] nor to any other government residence, nor
[00:17:35] to any of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's
[00:20:57] Yesterday I watched your program, Jirga, in which you, Mr. Tipu, and other people told us how much terrorism
[00:21:01] is increasing, and the report submitted to the cabinet today
[00:21:04] stated that in two and a half years, attacks have increased by 195%.
[00:21:07] After that, the decision to implement Articles 232 and
[00:21:11] 234. Do you think this decision is correct
[00:21:15] in the sense that if terrorism is to be controlled,
[00:21:19] there was no other option? First, we should
[00:21:22] see why terrorism increased. The main
[00:21:25] reason for this was the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
[00:21:29] And TTA and TT P, we students
[00:21:32] considered them one from day one.
[00:21:36] But the Pakistani state was making a distinction between them.
[00:21:39] So when the Afghan Taliban came there. Now look,
[00:21:43] the day the Taliban took over and broke the jails, four and a half
[00:21:47] thousand TTP people were released that day.
[00:21:50] So in Pakistan,
[00:21:54] in the tribal districts or the adjoining districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
[00:21:57] terrorism started increasing
[00:22:01] with the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
[00:22:04] And in yesterday's program, we also discussed
[00:22:08] that there were some other reasons too. For example, one
[00:22:12] reason was this: Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud again became
[00:22:16] a tribal Amir of TTP.
[00:22:20] And he is educated and a great strategist. He re-united
[00:22:23] people again and got many
[00:22:26] new groups to join TTP.
[00:22:30] So because of this, they got
[00:22:34] a boost and an
[00:22:37] influential power. The problem
[00:22:40] then was with PTI and
[00:22:43] the establishment
[00:22:47] and the federation. These
[00:22:50] things are politics,
[00:22:53] that they are the B team of TTP and such things.
[00:22:56] Today it was also said that they are facilitators, they have a soft corner, they are assisting them.
[00:23:00] Is this accusation, which is a political accusation of the government, or is there any truth in it? I don't believe
[00:23:04] there can be a soft corner, but if they
[00:23:08] had to adopt the same narrative against TTP,
[00:23:11] if PTI had adopted
[00:23:14] the narrative that the establishment
[00:23:18] or the federation was demanding from them, then they would have met the same fate
[00:23:22] as the Awami National Party did during their government.
[00:23:25] So this is not an easy task,
[00:23:28] and I think that is why they
[00:23:32] did not adopt the narrative that was being demanded
[00:23:35] from them. So the problem here was that on one
[00:23:39] side, during this
[00:23:42] period, the Pakistani state had closed
[00:23:46] all paths of negotiations
[00:23:50] and jirgas, and they had reached the conclusion that T
[00:23:54] TA and TT P are two sides
[00:23:57] of the same coin, and only force should be used
[00:24:00] against them. And on the other side, the PTI
[00:24:04] government or PTI as a party
[00:24:08] was not ready to adopt that narrative
[00:24:11] that was the narrative of the establishment or
[00:24:17] that this is a war for dollars, or this is a self-made
[00:24:22] it is considered here as
[00:24:25] rubbing salt on their wounds, and its
[00:24:28] logical consequence has emerged in this form. So Ehsanullah, please tell us
[00:24:31] that you discussed yesterday that the capacity building of the police and CTD
[00:24:35] has not been done in this way. The federation also makes this accusation, but PTI's stance
[00:24:39] is the opposite. Their Finance Minister or advisor, Muzammil Aslam Sahab, says
[00:24:43] that the budget for the police and
[00:24:46] has been increased to 14.5 billion rupees.
[00:24:50] But now the government has taken this responsibility into its own hands,
[00:24:54] of governance and security and law and order. What do you think is going to be different,
[00:24:58] especially when we say that emergency has been imposed at 12,000? What will
[00:25:01] happen next? I also said yesterday, that I discussed
[00:25:05] this issue, that on the other side, there is a very well-organized
[00:25:08] insurgency or groups. So the police,
[00:25:12] even if you build their capacity, they cannot be as effective
[00:25:15] as the security forces. Anywhere in the world,
[00:25:19] if you take Iraq, anywhere, there are regular
[00:25:23] security forces, the army, who have been fighting
[00:25:26] against such groups. So the TTP should not be seen only from Pakistan's
[00:25:30] angle. Their connections are also with the jihadists
[00:25:33] in Africa, and with those in the Middle East. Afghanistan has become their
[00:25:37] base. So I don't think the police will be able to fight them.
[00:25:41] The police are meant for civil law enforcement,
[00:25:44] crime control. Bringing them to the front is a mistake, in my opinion.
[00:25:48] That's why the police are the ones suffering the most. In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
[00:25:51] with the capability that the TTP has, I don't think that
[00:25:55] in a very short period, the federal government
[00:25:59] or the setup that has come there through emergency will be able to contain them.
[00:26:04] But the local people, the local population, their patience has completely
[00:26:08] run out. If you go there and talk to anyone,
[00:26:11] they are completely... especially, Rania Sanahullah said in our program
[00:26:14] that there will be no IDP-like situation, IOs will continue. So if emergency
[00:26:18] has been imposed, is it for IOs or for some other purpose?
[00:26:22] Right now, there is talk of deploying more forces there,
[00:26:25] and secondly, IOs are happening
[00:26:29] daily in dozens. But still you will have
[00:26:33] to go. There is another issue this time that the TTP
[00:26:37] does not have permanent bases this time, unlike in the past,
[00:26:40] operations in North Waziristan or Swat etc. So they move from one place
[00:26:44] for a week to another place for another week. I think
[00:26:48] if there is too much pressure, these people will shift to Afghanistan. Thank you very much,
[00:26:51] Salim Safi Sahab and Ehsanullah Tipu were with us, dear viewers, that's all
[00:26:55] for today's program. Please excuse the show. Allah
[00:26:58] Hafiz.
[00:30:19] In these circumstances, water has gone over the head.
[00:30:23] What else? Do you want to play
[00:30:27] this game again and again and completely paralyze and destroy Pakistan?
[00:30:31] This will not happen. The law will take its course.
[00:30:34] Emergency and
[00:30:41] Governor's rule imposed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. President Asif
[00:30:44] Zardari issued the decree. Prime Minister Shehbaz
[00:30:47] Sharif never. Water has gone above the head. It's decision time.
[00:30:51] To confront the terrorists.