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[00:00:03] controls everything. No, I am
[00:00:14] war against
[00:00:18] great commitment, terrorism with great courage,
[00:00:24] of the provincial government
[00:00:30] The fault is
[00:01:00] them on drones. They say kept trying. Last night till 11:45 PM, I was in contact with the PTI leaders. If they had agreed,
[00:01:03] the decisions that were made today would not
[00:01:06] have happened.
[00:01:12] The spokesperson said that the news of the Governor's rule and
[00:01:16] emergency could be for an indefinite period. While talking in the program, Rana Sana also
[00:01:21] not ready said that there would be no major operation. No one would be displaced. Intelligence-based operations will continue.
[00:01:24] Watch the detailed interview a little later, only on Geo News.
[00:01:29] two years, and especially
[00:01:39] They talk directly
[00:01:48] wage a direct conventional
[00:01:54] Viewers, let's take a short break,
[00:02:59] and this government,
[00:03:08] to you by the center
[00:03:30] The air is rare.
[00:03:33] to bring you reliable news
[00:03:38] Okay, but then there's
[00:03:48] with them, or as they
[00:03:51] In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you. Viewers,
[00:03:55] the fear that was being expressed
[00:03:58] so they fled to Afghanistan. in the Jirga for the last two three weeks
[00:04:00] has finally come true. Governor's rule
[00:04:04] and emergency have been imposed in Khyber
[00:04:08] Pakhtunkhwa. And before moving
[00:04:11] forward, let me show you what Governor Khyber
[00:04:15] said two weeks ago when
[00:04:18] we had our conversation in the Jirga. Okay,
[00:04:22] Governor Sahab, if I have to interview you again next
[00:04:25] week. So will I have to call you just Governor?
[00:04:30] Or along with that, will I have to call you Chief
[00:04:33] Executive of the Province? That's
[00:04:38] with Shahzad Iqbal. let the time come. I can't tell you about tomorrow next week, whether we will be in this world or not. But the thing is,
[00:04:42] when the time comes, then we will interview
[00:04:46] the next one and then we will see what was
[00:04:49] supposed to happen has happened.
[00:04:52] Look, there are two things: What we were expecting
[00:04:53] the government, or our friendly countries have told them, or what we were fearing has happened.
[00:04:57] Today, Faisal Karim Kundi
[00:05:01] Sahab has become the Chief Executive of Khyber
[00:05:04] Pakhtunkhwa as Governor.
[00:05:07] The federal government made all these decisions.
[00:05:11] The federation dismissed the government of Sohail
[00:05:14] Afridi and his
[00:05:17] cabinet through the imposition of emergency and Governor's rule.
[00:05:21] Why did the federal government make this
[00:05:24] decision and why was
[00:05:28] a government that came through
[00:05:32] a public mandate dismissed?
[00:05:36] And
[00:05:39] what are the reasons for the step taken
[00:05:42] by the federal government and what
[00:05:45] will be the results of it?
[00:05:48] To know the answers to all these questions,
[00:05:52] we have with us Mr. Rana Sanaullah
[00:05:56] Khan Sahab, who is the Federal Minister for Inter-Provincial Coordination and Political Affairs.
[00:05:59] Thank you very much, Rana Sahab. Thank you. And
[00:06:03] first of all, it's against you. October 12th
[00:06:07] had happened once. Why did
[00:06:10] you people do October 11th to the PTI government?
[00:06:13] Look, we did not
[00:06:16] want to do October 11th in any case.
[00:06:20] And
[00:06:23] when such circumstances were created,
[00:06:25] despite that,
[00:06:28] the PTI government was
[00:06:31] also tried to be explained and they were also given
[00:06:34] a chance that they should
[00:06:37] change their attitude
[00:06:41] and not
[00:06:43] prioritize their political agenda
[00:06:47] over the national agenda. They should do
[00:06:50] politics and also
[00:06:54] advance their political demands. If they
[00:06:58] also have to protest, they should follow the democratic
[00:07:01] ways of protesting. Attacking
[00:07:05] the capital, Islamabad, or
[00:07:09] invading it. This
[00:07:12] is not a democratic way of protesting.
[00:07:15] And
[00:07:17] a national security agenda
[00:07:21] that is about the unity of Pakistan
[00:07:25] and the existence of Pakistan,
[00:07:29] a personal or political
[00:07:32] agenda cannot be prioritized
[00:07:36] over it. At this time, Pakistan
[00:07:40] is facing
[00:07:43] an external aggression, a foreign
[00:07:47] aggression. Their
[00:07:51] کا جو
[00:07:54] anti-Pakistan
[00:07:57] agenda or their
[00:08:01] narrative against Pakistan
[00:08:04] is very clear.
[00:08:07] And
[00:08:10] in this, the real
[00:08:13] enemies of Pakistan,
[00:08:16] i.e., India,
[00:08:19] are involved. The land
[00:08:22] of Afghanistan and the people
[00:08:25] of Afghanistan are being used
[00:08:29] in this aggression, in this war
[00:08:32] of terrorism that is imposed on Pakistan. So,
[00:08:35] ہیں
[00:08:38] we tried to explain
[00:08:41] to them many times and tried
[00:08:45] to reach an understanding with them. That
[00:08:49] Afghanistan should not allow its land to be used
[00:08:51] for terrorism against Pakistan.
[00:08:55] And negotiations were held
[00:09:00] say, a Jirga was held
[00:09:04] with them, and they were talked to. They were talked
[00:09:07] to at the last resort.
[00:09:10] And it wasn't just Pakistan
[00:09:14] that did it, but also Pakistan's friendly
[00:09:17] Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia,
[00:09:21] Qatar, Turkey,
[00:09:24] and to some extent,
[00:09:27] China. But they did not agree to anything,
[00:09:30] and they
[00:09:34] started escalating
[00:09:37] this war of terrorism after
[00:09:41] imposing it.
[00:09:44] So, its effects are such
[00:09:48] that almost 12 districts
[00:09:51] are such that
[00:09:54] some of them are the
[00:09:57] former FATA districts and
[00:10:00] besides that, Lakki Marwat,
[00:10:03] Karak and Dera Ismail
[00:10:06] Khan. We are not saying
[00:10:09] that every person in KP says that
[00:10:13] the government's writ exists during the day and at night
[00:10:17] the terrorists have
[00:10:21] their rule or
[00:10:24] terrorism
[00:10:28] Now, the Pakistani armed forces
[00:10:31] and Pakistan's law enforcement agencies
[00:10:35] have fought this
[00:10:43] and patriotism. And
[00:10:47] how much, no, but sir, what was the fault of PTI in dealing with this war of terrorism?
[00:10:51] What is the fault of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government?
[00:10:55] that the sacrifices made
[00:10:59] by the armed forces and law enforcement agencies
[00:11:03] in the war against terrorism
[00:11:06] and the intelligence-based
[00:11:09] operations that were carried
[00:11:13] out against terrorists. Now, if law
[00:11:17] enforcement agencies or the forces
[00:11:20] clear an area,
[00:11:23] who is supposed to hold it?
[00:11:27] The civil administration. The police,
[00:11:31] the CTD. Where is the police?
[00:11:34] Where is the CTD? The situation
[00:11:38] in these 12 districts is such that in five of them,
[00:11:42] the police don't even have police stations.
[00:11:45] There is no existence of CTD. And then the provincial government
[00:11:49] not only in these
[00:11:54] for the past one and a half years,
[00:11:58] when the situation with Afghanistan
[00:12:02] and India started
[00:12:05] and phase two began, and India
[00:12:09] saw that it could not
[00:12:13] war with Pakistan, and the other
[00:12:17] was out of the question, so now they
[00:12:20] changed their strategy and started phase two.
[00:12:23] So from that time, almost,
[00:12:26] I mean, it's April-May 2025,
[00:12:29] and after that, when
[00:12:33] the increase started, and training camps
[00:12:37] in Afghanistan were fully established,
[00:12:40] and terrorists were trained there, and after
[00:12:44] that, terrorist activities started after entering
[00:12:47] Pakistan, then the national
[00:12:51] stance against
[00:12:55] these terrorists was never supported
[00:12:58] by the provincial government of PTI till today.
[00:13:02] They never stood with it. Rather,
[00:13:06] they have always been saying
[00:13:09] that we are against this operation. But the Chief Minister himself does not fight, his police
[00:13:13] fight. And his police were making sacrifices. So the police were making
[00:13:17] sacrifices, but the police were making sacrifices in such a situation. That they had no
[00:13:21] weapons, nor did they have safe
[00:13:25] buildings. And when it was said for this purpose that you should
[00:13:29] spend the funds that are being given
[00:13:33] on this, there was no
[00:13:36] positive response.
[00:13:39] And now the Chief Minister Sahab
[00:13:43] and even before that, he used to say that this is not
[00:13:46] our job. Establishing peace
[00:13:49] and fighting against terrorism is not our job, he says
[00:13:53] that we are not made Chief Minister for this purpose. I am
[00:13:57] selected as Chief Minister for love of Ramadan.
[00:14:01] نہیں مارے جانے کے لیے جو ہے وہ میں
[00:14:04] elected as Chief Minister, and he says that his agenda
[00:14:08] is only the release
[00:14:10] of Imran Khan, so I have no concern with it, nor do I have any
[00:14:14] concern with the war against terrorism, nor do I have any concern
[00:14:18] with the national narrative. And then it's not
[00:14:22] just that he failed
[00:14:25] to fulfill his responsibility, he did not fulfill his responsibility,
[00:14:29] rather he was
[00:14:33] openly vocal
[00:14:36] against that narrative.
[00:14:39] He was against it. He was
[00:14:43] against the martyrs
[00:14:46] of our armed forces. Now, I think
[00:14:50] he went to one or two places when
[00:14:53] there was a lot of objection against him. Otherwise,
[00:14:57] he never bothered to go to the funerals
[00:15:00] of the martyrs. So will peace come to Khyber
[00:15:04] Pakhtunkhwa after the imposition
[00:15:08] of Governor's rule, and will terrorism end?
[00:15:11] Look, if it increases, what will you people do?
[00:15:17] the war against terrorism
[00:15:21] that has been fought with such commitment
[00:15:25] and bravery, it is not possible that its
[00:15:28] positive and successful
[00:15:32] results will not come out, and they should
[00:15:35] have come out by now. The only reason
[00:15:39] for their not coming out is that the role
[00:15:43] of the provincial government is missing there. Now, if there is no
[00:15:46] civil administration there, and the provincial
[00:15:49] government, which is responsible
[00:15:52] for law and order and has funds,
[00:15:56] you can see how much
[00:16:00] increase there has been in martyrdoms
[00:16:03] during this period. Similarly, the incidents
[00:16:07] of terrorism, which were in hundreds
[00:16:10] in the first year and a half, are now in thousands. This state
[00:16:14] worked very hard, made great efforts,
[00:16:17] and brought the Taliban to power
[00:16:20] in Afghanistan. The Pakistani state did this,
[00:16:24] so because of this, when the Taliban
[00:16:27] government came, the morale of the Taliban in Pakistan
[00:16:31] also had to be boosted, and they gained strength.
[00:16:35] Look, that was not the mistake of PTI. Look, in any case,
[00:16:38] there is a mistake of PTI in this. You know
[00:16:42] that when
[00:16:45] the APS incident happened,
[00:16:49] the Army Public School incident,
[00:16:52] then when the operation
[00:16:55] against them
[00:16:58] started in North Waziristan,
[00:17:02] Darpa Azab, then as a result
[00:17:06] of the APS incident, the whole nation came on one page,
[00:17:10] and at that time, Mian Nawaz Sharif called those people
[00:17:13] who had been standing outside for 126
[00:17:16] days, abusing the Prime Minister's House and saying
[00:17:20] that we will drag you out by your collar, he called
[00:17:24] them himself for the sake
[00:17:27] of the country, for a national cause,
[00:17:30] that this is the form of terrorism,
[00:17:34] come, let's sit together and make
[00:17:37] a policy on it. A national policy was made,
[00:17:41] the whole nation agreed, and after
[00:17:44] that, this terrorism was eradicated.
[00:17:47] It was eradicated
[00:17:51] to such an extent that then such
[00:17:54] rare incidents would happen, otherwise, Pakistan
[00:17:58] had come out of terrorism.
[00:18:01] After that, who made this policy
[00:18:04] that they should be brought
[00:18:07] back? You also know that, and even
[00:18:11] now, they still say that we should negotiate
[00:18:15] with them, we should sit with them in a Jirga. Whose slogan
[00:18:19] is this? This is the slogan of PTI. The current
[00:18:22] Chief, no, that is a difference in strategy.
[00:18:25] You will say to fight them, I will say to hold a Jirga with them.
[00:18:28] No, in this, has this government not negotiated
[00:18:32] with TTP before? The MP government
[00:18:35] in Swat.
[00:18:37] Your Governor did not
[00:18:41] negotiate with them in North
[00:18:44] Waziristan. No, look,
[00:18:47] look, they had a stance
[00:18:51] when PTI was in government,
[00:18:55] Imran Khan was Prime Minister, he officially
[00:18:59] rejected the idea that these
[00:19:03] terrorists should not be allowed to return.
[00:19:07] The people there who were
[00:19:10] representatives at that time, all of them
[00:19:13] unanimously opposed in that briefing that was held in the National Assembly
[00:19:17] that you should not do this, you should not
[00:19:21] allow them to return, they will do the same thing again
[00:19:24] that they were doing here before, and
[00:19:28] they were then
[00:19:32] operated against here,
[00:19:36] But despite that, they said that no, they will come with weapons,
[00:19:39] they will live here under the constitution,
[00:19:43] under the law. So you think Imran Khan brought
[00:19:47] them back? Yes, look, the policy
[00:19:51] that was made at that time, as a result of that policy,
[00:19:55] some people got a chance to return.
[00:19:58] Some people came back through the proper channel,
[00:20:02] and some people also came back
[00:20:06] in such circumstances. Now, when those people came and started the same thing again,
[00:20:09] look, the negotiations or the
[00:20:12] talks that Pakistan has had,
[00:20:16] or the current political and military leadership
[00:20:20] of Pakistan has had, or our friendly countries have had,
[00:20:23] there is a big difference between those negotiations and what they are saying.
[00:20:27] We have told
[00:20:31] that this is the evidence, on the basis
[00:20:33] of this evidence, look, your land
[00:20:40] you stop this thing. If you don't
[00:20:44] stop it, then we will neutralize
[00:20:47] these training centers that you have made,
[00:20:51] and wherever this activity is happening, we will
[00:20:55] neutralize it. Khan Sahab, even after a major tragedy like APS,
[00:20:58] emergency or Governor's rule was not imposed there, so
[00:21:02] what big disaster had struck
[00:21:05] that you people took this extreme step?
[00:21:08] The basis of this is the attitude
[00:21:14] there, that they are not ready
[00:21:18] to play their part in this national
[00:21:22] cause, this aggression against the state,
[00:21:25] aggression against Pakistan. They are not ready
[00:21:28] to stand with Pakistan.
[00:21:32] They say that these drones
[00:21:36] they say
[00:21:38] we should not attack them with drones. I mean,
[00:21:42] if terrorists hit drones there, that's fine. They say
[00:21:45] that there should be no action against
[00:21:50] that you should hold a Jirga with them, you should negotiate with them.
[00:21:54] What kind of negotiations should be held with them?
[00:21:57] The negotiations that our military and
[00:22:00] political leadership have held with them,
[00:22:03] our Foreign Minister also went there, and after that, when talks were held
[00:22:07] in Istanbul with friendly countries, the Defense Minister also went,
[00:22:11] the Foreign Minister also went, but they are not ready
[00:22:15] to agree to anything. What is their
[00:22:18] demand? Is it a demand for someone's treatment
[00:22:22] or a meeting with someone or a demand for someone's cases
[00:22:25] or do they talk about elections?
[00:22:29] that they say that a large
[00:22:33] part of KP belongs to them. I mean, they talk
[00:22:36] about breaking Pakistan, and they say
[00:22:40] that you should sit with them and talk.
[00:22:44] we will continue the discussion with Rana Sanamullah Sahab when we return. Stay with
[00:22:46] us.
[00:26:32] Welcome
[00:26:44] once again to the Jirga. Today in the Jirga, we have
[00:26:48] Mr. Rana Sanam Allah. TTP
[00:26:51] activities had increased for some time, but
[00:26:54] until PTI announced the long march, you people did not take
[00:26:58] any action against them. So what is this?
[00:27:15] But the main reason
[00:27:18] was their role that they were not
[00:27:22] only to play their part
[00:27:25] in this war against terrorism
[00:27:29] at any cost, but
[00:27:36] also had an opposing
[00:27:39] narrative, meaning a chief minister
[00:27:43] of a province says that the reason
[00:27:46] for these incidents of terrorism
[00:27:50] is the actions
[00:27:53] of our armed forces.
[00:27:57] You tell me, after such a statement,
[00:28:00] will any
[00:28:32] drug mafia there, there is a mafia
[00:28:36] that takes cuts from the development
[00:28:39] work happening there. Some people from here are also involved in this mafia,
[00:28:43] and some people coming from there are also involved.
[00:28:47] Now, all these matters, are all these matters
[00:28:50] to be resolved by the Pakistan Army or the army?
[00:28:54] These are to be resolved by the civil administration.
[00:28:58] And the civil administration
[00:29:01] its own people, its own workers
[00:29:05] and its own members are involved in these things.
[00:29:09] Rana Sahab, at the time of FATA merger,
[00:29:11] perhaps Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, who was the Prime Minister
[00:29:14] of your party at that time, the Sartaj Aziz Committee
[00:29:18] also gave this suggestion and it was decided
[00:29:21] that these areas would be exempt
[00:29:25] from taxes for this long. How many years
[00:29:28] was it said for Malakand and FATA?
[00:29:33] It was said for 10 years, I think. It was said for 10 years.
[00:29:37] How long has it been since those 10 years were completed?
[00:29:40] also this, that they also made another promise that 3%
[00:29:44] of the divisible pool would be given
[00:29:48] to the merged areas. Did you people give that money for one year?
[00:29:51] No, that money was given
[00:29:54] and its calculation is available,
[00:29:58] almost in that head,
[00:30:00] the one
[00:30:03] percent that was kept
[00:30:07] for terrorism, no, not one percent, it is also mentioned in the book
[00:30:10] of the report of the Sartaj Aziz Committee, in the printed
[00:30:13] book. But its reasons
[00:30:17] were different, and one percent was,
[00:30:21] I mean, the divisible pool, out of that,
[00:30:24] which is divided between the provinces and the center,
[00:30:28] before that division, there are some things, like some backward areas,
[00:30:32] some terrorism, so this way, one percent, one percent,
[00:30:36] this way, when this NFC happened
[00:30:39] in 2010, these things
[00:30:43] were kept, so out of that,
[00:30:46] so far, almost
[00:30:50] 700 billion rupees have been given
[00:30:54] to the KP government only for this.