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[00:00:00] Maulana Sahib has not seen his conduct yet. He is
[00:00:05] and in his position. But how long does it take from noon to evening that you had made up your mind
[00:00:09] and you put Maulana Sahib in the middle to finish the argument? My request is
[00:00:12] that they keep changing the goalposts. We were assured of this
[00:00:16] more than once, but ifs and buts were added.
[00:00:20] It was deliberately created
[00:00:23] Taliban groups and BLA etc. in Balochistan, an atmosphere where there would be no consensus. What did we want? That you call
[00:00:27] a terrorist a terrorist. You stand openly with us.
[00:00:31] The issue we have with Afghanistan.
[00:00:35] This PTI is similar to it, that neither
[00:00:38] they openly call a terrorist a terrorist, nor do they stand with you. So the thing
[00:00:42] time in the morning, then it means is, look, if they had made up their mind, if they had made
[00:00:46] up their mind, if there was another option,
[00:00:48] then the funerals of so many martyrs would
[00:00:52] not have been carried on the shoulders of the Prime Minister and the Army Chief.
[00:00:55] Shahzad, have you ever seen someone whose wedding was a week ago,
[00:00:59] or an only son?
[00:02:00] If one or two people come out, then no such
[00:02:03] event has come
[00:02:12] of people in the last election voted for other
[00:02:16] parties, right? They had popular votes or more votes,
[00:02:19] so they won. Now after that you say why peace won't
[00:02:23] come. We have shown peace. There is only
[00:02:26] one way to peace, in the capability of our security forces.
[00:02:30] There is no कमी in their fighting. If there
[00:02:33] is a कमी, then the government, the political forces,
[00:02:38] rift. So this is one should stand behind it. And look at this, while they were in
[00:02:41] government, they were neither giving resources
[00:02:44] to the security forces, nor political leadership.
[00:02:48] And it was deliberately said that people didn't
[00:02:51] come out. Information came that Suhail Afridi has been arrested, Junaid Akbar has been
[00:02:54] arrested. Where are these people?
[00:02:58] be owned. But
[00:03:00] about Afridi and Junaid Akbar, have they been detained? No, look, We will ask the federation. Yes. Now look, some people have been detained for law and order
[00:03:03] situation, so that no such
[00:03:07] And then when it is said incident happens. Those who are wanted in various
[00:03:10] cases, they
[00:03:12] war, then naturally, will be. Please confirm
[00:03:15] I am talking about the overall situation,
[00:03:18] on their wounds. okay? And about the rest. No, I am asking specifically. Where did the high-ranking officials who were there till morning
[00:03:22] go? My request is that some
[00:03:25] individuals have been detained, and most of those who have no record
[00:03:29] and are not wanted, will be released. And there will be
[00:03:33] no did you read that tweet this
[00:03:37] morning, this tweet about negotiations?
[00:03:40] Maulana says
[00:03:42] ہیں
[00:03:44] Look, if I were sitting there, I
[00:03:47] would request Maulana Sahib that this tweet is not about negotiations.
[00:03:51] This tweet is about unconditional
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[00:04:57] that you knew that this matter too. Every topic.
[00:09:42] In the recent 195% decision to implement
[00:09:45] Articles 232 and
[00:09:48] 234, do you think this decision
[00:09:52] is correct in terms of controlling terrorism? Was there
[00:09:56] no other option? See, first we should see
[00:09:59] why terrorism increased. Its main reason was
[00:10:03] the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan,
[00:10:06] and we students understood TTP
[00:10:09] from the very beginning. But the Pakistani state
[00:10:13] was differentiating. So when the Afghan
[00:10:16] Taliban came here. Now look,
[00:10:19] the day the Taliban took over and broke the jails, four and a half thousand
[00:10:23] TTP people were released that
[00:10:25] day. So in Pakistan's
[00:10:29] tribal districts
[00:10:32] or the adjoining districts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
[00:10:35] terrorism increased
[00:10:38] with the Taliban's takeover
[00:10:42] in Afghanistan. And in yesterday's
[00:10:45] program, we also discussed that there were some other reasons. For example,
[00:10:49] one reason was that Mufti Noor Wali Mehsud
[00:10:53] again became a tribal
[00:10:55] Amir of TTP, and he is also educated and a great
[00:10:59] strategist. He reunited people
[00:11:02] and several new groups
[00:11:05] he included in TTP. So because of this,
[00:11:09] they got a boost
[00:11:13] and a new power.
[00:11:16] The problem was then of PTI
[00:11:19] and
[00:11:20] اور
[00:11:24] the federation.
[00:11:55] The federation was demanding this from it, so it would have met
[00:11:58] the same fate as the Awami National Party did during
[00:12:02] its government. So this is not such an easy task.
[00:12:05] And I think that is why they
[00:12:09] did not adopt this narrative that was being demanded of them.
[00:12:13] So the problem arose here that
[00:12:17] on one side, during
[00:12:19] this period, the Pakistani state had
[00:12:22] closed all avenues
[00:12:25] of negotiations and jirgas, and they had reached
[00:12:29] the conclusion that TTP
[00:12:32] and TTP are two sides of the same coin and only
[00:12:36] force should be used against them. And on the other
[00:12:40] hand, the PTI government or PTI
[00:12:43] as a party was not ready to adopt
[00:12:47] that narrative which was the narrative
[00:12:50] of the establishment or the Pakistani state. Now
[00:12:53] on one side, whether it is right or wrong,
[00:12:57] but intelligence-based operations were happening.
[00:13:01] On the other hand, TTP's operations were going on with such
[00:13:04] intensity. Every day
[00:13:08] someone of the police used to die, or
[00:13:11] that day I had given its details that TTP
[00:13:15] used to carry out their operations in September, more than 300 attacks happened. Yes,
[00:13:19] more than 300 attacks in a month and not less than 10
[00:13:22] operations daily. Correct. And then
[00:13:25] the army sometimes carries the bodies of a colonel, sometimes
[00:13:29] a major, sometimes a captain.
[00:13:32] that this is a war for dollars or this is a self-made
[00:13:37] it is considered here
[00:13:41] as rubbing salt
[00:13:43] And its logical result came in this form. So,
[00:13:47] Ehsanullah, please tell us, you discussed yesterday
[00:13:51] that the capacity building of police and CTD was not done in this way. The federation also
[00:13:54] made this accusation. The PTI's stance is the opposite. Their Finance Minister
[00:13:58] or advisor, Muzammil Aslam Sahib, tells us that they have increased
[00:14:02] the expenses of the police and for the purchase of weapons
[00:14:05] they have increased it from 35 billion to 45
[00:14:09] billion rupees. But now the government has taken
[00:14:13] this responsibility on itself, both of governance
[00:14:16] and security and order. What do you think is going to be different and
[00:14:20] especially when we say that emergency has been imposed in 12 districts, what will happen
[00:14:23] next? Even yesterday, I discussed this
[00:14:27] issue that on the other side, there are very well-organized
[00:14:30] insurgency terrorism or groups, so even if you build
[00:14:33] the capacity of the police, they will not be as effective
[00:14:37] as security forces. If you check anywhere in the world, in Iraq
[00:14:41] or anywhere else, the regular security forces, the army,
[00:14:44] have been fighting against such groups.
[00:14:47] So TTP should not be viewed only from Pakistan's
[00:14:51] angle. Their connections are also with terrorists in Africa.
[00:15:08] This is a mistake, that's why the police are suffering the most in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
[00:15:12] Here, our other regular security forces
[00:15:15] are also. This is very interesting because the PTI refers
[00:15:19] to the fact that they and other parties in the province had prepared
[00:15:22] a complete draft through a jirga, and its point
[00:15:26] number four said that the army should leave and the police
[00:15:29] and CTD will take action. But you are saying that no matter how much you increase their capacity,
[00:15:33] they cannot fight it. They cannot. This is absolutely true, because the other side,
[00:15:37] the people I am seeing or who have contacted them or the actions taken
[00:15:41] by them on the ground, are very sophisticated and
[00:15:45] advanced. If you look at their technology, if you look at their motivation level, then
[00:15:49] the police will not be able to do it, they will need them.
[00:15:52] But at the same time, as Safi Sahib said, this political
[00:15:56] polarization, the TTP's propaganda, or the other Pakistani
[00:16:01] exploit them a lot. In terms of revenue, in terms of recruitment,
[00:16:05] and even now, I feel that the TTP will exploit this entire situation
[00:16:08] a lot for these two tasks, and the responsibility,
[00:16:12] which earlier was that the blame
[00:16:16] used to be divided between the two, now the entire thing will come to the federation.
[00:16:20] So this is a very big responsibility and given the capability of TTP,
[00:16:24] I don't think that the federal government
[00:16:27] or the setup that has come there through emergency
[00:16:31] will be able to contain them in a very short
[00:16:35] time. It will take time. But the local people, the local population,
[00:17:33] if the government succeeds in this, then people's lives will become easier
[00:17:37] and terrorism will end there. But if the government fails
[00:17:40] in this, then what will happen? Because you have removed a politically mandated government
[00:17:44] and put this one in place. But if they also fail
[00:17:47] to control security matters, then won't the results be very bad,
[00:17:51] as we are perhaps seeing in Balochistan? No, it is obvious that
[00:17:55] the federation has taken a very big
[00:17:57] responsibility and a very big
[00:18:01] risk. Because you cannot
[00:18:04] change the situation on the ground
[00:18:08] overnight. The security forces are also
[00:18:12] the same. And the police are also
[00:18:15] the same. You can bring a 19-20
[00:18:18] difference, you can increase their numbers.
[00:18:21] They can take some other measures. Or it
[00:18:25] will be that now the government there, the coordination
[00:18:28] between that government and the security forces will be better.
[00:18:32] Or their narrative will
[00:18:36] even after that, it is obvious that neither
[00:18:39] will the Taliban's power and strength decrease
[00:18:42] overnight, nor
[00:18:46] will the government's power and strength increase
[00:18:49] overnight. So I think
[00:18:53] that with increasing responsibility and where
[00:18:56] politically I think the federal
[00:19:00] government will suffer and PTI will
[00:19:04] benefit, along with that,
[00:19:08] there is also a risk that if the government is not
[00:19:10] able to complete this task
[00:19:13] and improve law and order
[00:19:17] and minimize TTP's activities,
[00:19:21] then people will also ask why you removed
[00:19:25] the elected PTI government. What Ehsanullah also said
[00:19:28] suggests that, Saleem Safi Sahib, this is not a short-term
[00:19:32] arrangement. People are probably saying that it might continue until the 2029 elections,
[00:19:36] and given the large cabinet and advisory council that has been formed,
[00:19:40] I also feel that
[00:19:42] the federal
[00:19:46] government, yes, their intention is also not for the short
[00:19:50] term, and the thing that has been created,
[00:19:53] law and order, that is also not a short-term
[00:19:57] task, not a short-term task that you can
[00:20:00] accomplish in a few weeks or
[00:20:04] a few months.
[00:20:10] It's also very big and it seems that the federal government's intentions are also to
[00:20:14] drag it out as long as they can. Fazlur Rahman Sahib said today
[00:20:17] in a press conference that when we talked yesterday, PTI had agreed to end the long march. Their only
[00:20:21] demand was to meet Imran Khan. He said that Shahbaz Sharif Sahib
[00:20:25] also said that it's fine, we won't hold a cabinet meeting in the morning, we will call it later. But then
[00:20:29] the meeting also happened in the morning and it was approved. Now I know
[00:20:34] is So was it just
[00:20:39] to finish the argument that talks were held with Fazlur Rahman Sahib,
[00:20:43] or was there really a possibility that the government could change its mind today?
[00:20:47] No, in my opinion, if
[00:20:50] Maulana Sahib is a very well-informed
[00:20:53] and astute politician,
[00:20:55] his meetings were also held yesterday with government
[00:20:59] representatives and PTI representatives.
[00:21:03] Then there was also the fact that when we
[00:21:07] were going to bed at night, the government
[00:21:10] had not postponed the cabinet meeting
[00:21:14] called for 9 AM in the morning. Yes, so Maulana
[00:21:17] Sahib certainly understood this and he knew that
[00:21:21] before this, a meeting of the President and the Prime Minister
[00:21:25] had taken place and this decision had been made. And if the cabinet
[00:21:28] meeting is also to be held at the scheduled
[00:21:32] that the government is moving forward according to its
[00:21:36] schedule and program. For example, I think these
[00:21:39] things were estimated two weeks ago. Faisal Karim
[00:21:43] Kundi Sahib was a guest on my program,
[00:21:46] and in it, I asked him a question
[00:21:50] which is on record that if I call
[00:21:53] you next week, will I call you the Chief Executive or the
[00:21:56] Governor? Correct. So if I, a student,
[00:22:00] had this news, then Maulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib
[00:22:04] certainly also had an idea of what was going
[00:22:07] to happen and that the government was not going to back down
[00:22:11] from this task. Ehsanullah Sahib, winning any war, and this is our
[00:22:15] own experience in Pakistan, is that political and military power being united,
[00:22:18] showing a united front, having a single narrative,
[00:22:50] the protest that was done, I don't
[00:22:51] think
[00:22:54] much happened in the future either, but the most dangerous thing will be on the narrative
[00:22:58] front, that the PTI's social media or their support
[00:23:01] is there, so those people, meaning if in the future
[00:23:05] there are any such incidents, if a major attack happens there, in which,
[00:23:09] meaning, damage is caused, then first of
[00:23:12] all, they will immediately blame the federal
[00:23:16] government or our security agencies able to control it yourselves.
[00:23:20] And I think TTP or the other Pakistani Taliban groups
[00:23:24] will exploit this further
[00:23:28] issue, that the narrative is the most alarming thing to me,
[00:23:31] that it will still not be accepted. And on the narrative front, the biggest
[00:23:35] problem is in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, as Saleem Bhai also said, that there is
[00:23:38] a dollar war or they are saying that this is a war of resources,
[00:23:42] our resources here are being forcibly occupied as a result of this war.
[00:23:46] So these things will further, meaning, in the context of this social narrative, they got support.
[00:24:20] But actually, perhaps he wants to say that their method is different, so PTI's method was understood
[00:24:23] because there is a lot of confusion in it. When I used to talk to some people from PTI, they always
[00:24:27] used to say that it's okay, you are in the driving seat, but at least on the passenger
[00:24:31] seat, we have to answer to the people. And
[00:24:35] mostly, Suhail Afridi Sahib himself is from a tribal area, a district,
[00:24:39] and because of the operation that happened there, the local people suffered a lot.
[00:24:42] Then there are many other people who are from the South KP districts, so
[00:24:46] when they themselves used to go to their constituency, people used to start objecting to them.
[00:24:52] So because of this, they used to say that we should also be taken into confidence. And we have seen
[00:24:56] this when a police peace committee was formed in Bannu
[00:24:59] and Lakki Marwat, then the police
[00:25:03] themselves said that they will not do the work
[00:25:07] within the security agencies that had become a very big issue
[00:25:10] there. So these problems were there, and PTI
[00:25:14] used to say that we are also stakeholders, we should also be taken into confidence regarding
[00:25:18] any security measures.
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[00:30:25] In these circumstances, water has gone over
[00:30:28] the head. And do you want to play
[00:30:32] your game again and again and completely disable and destroy
[00:30:36] Pakistan? This will not happen. The law will
[00:30:39] take its course.
[00:30:48] Emergency and Governor's Rule imposed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
[00:30:51] President Zardari issued the decree. Prime Minister Shehbaz
[00:30:54] Sharif said, "If not now, then never." Water has gone over the head.