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[00:00:00] tornadoes in their entirety to those affected in La Guaira. For her part, Corine
[00:00:03] Smith announced that she will join the staff of artists of Unidos por
[00:00:07] Venezuela, a charity concert, which will be held
[00:00:10] next August 16 in the city of Miami. In addition to the Creole,
[00:00:14] Alé, Chayan, Elena Rose, Piso 21, Olga
[00:00:18] the United Nations to do a study in Tañón and other artists will share the stage as part of the
[00:00:21] cause.
[00:00:23] The minors presented Movimiento Camina, a project that aims
[00:00:27] to provide support and hugs to those who need it most, after the
[00:00:31] events that occurred in our country last June 24. Likewise, the members of the
[00:00:34] group not only highlighted that
[00:00:38] they will continue to be there for the
[00:00:40] technology and everything affected, but also assured that little by little they will have to return to their
[00:00:47] embassies in Washington and New York, well that's superficial, only for what activities as part of their work and projects that they have been developing for years. They also invited
[00:00:50] with the two earthquakes, what their followers to continue supporting and joining the
[00:00:55] obviously we have tried, we have talked with cause.
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[00:01:22] In this way, we reach the end, Venezuela, thank you very much for your attention, happy night
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[00:02:15] We have Valensa May in the interpretation of the movie of with complex situations in is very alien to for Globo Visión and for
[00:02:18] us because she is the journey for everyone, we are all immigrants in head of the OCHA office in
[00:02:22] Venezuela, which is the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs of the United
[00:02:25] Nations, uh
[00:02:27] be a representation based on what Vanessa, that representation you have and such
[00:02:30] difficult times in Venezuela has acquired an international dimension
[00:02:33] completely. What have they done, who has come, what can
[00:02:36] they do? Well, good afternoon, ambassador, thank you very much for the invitation
[00:02:40] to your program, to all
[00:02:43] paper, sometimes reality exceeds your audience, it is an
[00:02:45] precisely the OCHA office in honor to be here for me. Well, uh, the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs of the United Nations was already in
[00:02:49] Venezuela. We have been here since
[00:02:52] 2019 and our function is basically to coordinate
[00:02:56] the humanitarian response in the country. We do not
[00:03:00] have... we have a humanitarian response plan that for
[00:03:02] 2026 included eight prioritized states in Venezuela, La
[00:03:06] Guaira, which was one of the states most affected by the two earthquakes that
[00:03:09] We continue talking with Vanessa May of occurred on June 24, is not part of the
[00:03:13] plan. But, well, we made an addendum to
[00:03:16] include La Guaira and other affected states within the
[00:03:19] response we are providing. So, let's say
[00:03:23] course the humanitarian component is important. Here what that the international support that has come has been in several phases and
[00:03:27] I think that the at several levels. What was done first was to respond with
[00:03:31] the structure, with the architecture
[00:03:34] does not exist, this will we already had, which we are talking
[00:03:36] be repeated and not only in Spain, it will about agencies, funds and United Nations programs, uh, let's say
[00:03:39] that they focus on humanitarian response through also implementing
[00:03:43] partners, international NGOs, national and
[00:03:46] local civil society organizations that in Venezuela are very
[00:03:50] strong organizations and with which we have worked all these
[00:03:53] years. But also, uh, organizations, uh, that are
[00:03:57] observers in the whole process like the Red Cross.
[00:04:00] The ICRC, the International Federation of the
[00:04:04] Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders and well, all
[00:04:08] know very well, ambassador, throughout the a series of organizations that
[00:04:10] with the migrations from Spain or Portugal in are present in the country, are active, there are others that have come because
[00:04:13] after commercial breaks we will return with her. they have a specific
[00:04:15] expertise. So, in the first, the first two weeks
[00:04:19] we focused on search and rescue actions. Around
[00:04:23] 55, uh, specialized search and rescue
[00:04:26] teams from different countries came. Uh, well,
[00:04:30] I think it was public knowledge that the whole
[00:04:34] world rushed to
[00:04:37] respond to Venezuela as it should have been, and I think
[00:04:41] that, uh, that is something to highlight,
[00:04:43] that these teams were able to come and respond
[00:04:46] in a very quick way, uh, and well,
[00:04:50] also support the actions that obviously the communities started because communities
[00:04:54] always, in a disaster of this magnitude, are the first responders and the
[00:04:57] authorities with the capacity they had.
[00:05:01] You have had a long international experience, you have been in countries not
[00:05:04] only in the area but even in the Far East. That accumulated
[00:05:08] experience and also Latin American, which we are very proud of, from the sister
[00:05:11] Republic of Colombia. That experience you have acquired, you came with
[00:05:15] a project prior to the earthquake, I imagine that after the earthquakes
[00:05:19] and tremors it has another dimension, the offer you are making
[00:05:23] and the attention you have to give, right? Yes, well, as I was saying,
[00:05:26] we had, we have a humanitarian response plan for
[00:05:29] 2026 that focuses on these eight prioritized
[00:05:32] states in Venezuela, uh, well, some of
[00:05:35] them are Tachira, del Tamacuro,
[00:05:38] Zulia, uh, also the state
[00:05:41] Sucre. And well, other states, let's say,
[00:05:45] because we worked, it came in the original plan, state and
[00:05:48] now what has changed, so what has changed is that we work
[00:05:52] based on priorities, what are the needs of people and
[00:05:56] because obviously we cannot prioritize everything, there are limited
[00:05:59] resources, so with what happened
[00:06:03] we did was an addendum to the humanitarian response plan, an
[00:06:06] addendum that focuses on responding to 1.3 million
[00:06:10] people.
[00:06:12] 7 million people who were
[00:06:16] included in the humanitarian response plan, let's say, these are
[00:06:19] global figures and we are talking about assistance or response that is
[00:06:23] multisectoral, because a person eh has multiple
[00:06:26] needs, not only the need to have access to safe water, but
[00:06:30] also eh to have access to health, food
[00:06:34] security, eh, nutrition, so what we try to do is
[00:06:37] have an integrated response within the 1.3
[00:06:41] million people that is our
[00:06:44] target for the plan or for the
[00:06:47] earthquakes. 500,000 of these people
[00:06:51] were already included in the response plan, so we are talking about 700,000
[00:06:55] new people who have been identified who have needs, of course, for
[00:06:58] shelter because many lost everything with these two
[00:07:01] earthquakes. They lost their homes, they lost their belongings, so the
[00:07:05] component of
[00:07:08] accommodation is very important and obviously
[00:07:11] accompanied by the issue of health care, of the
[00:07:14] response, eh, the issue of mental health, for example, is a very
[00:07:17] important issue that I always like to emphasize,
[00:07:21] because sometimes when we are in the pure and hard emergency we
[00:07:24] forget the importance of being able to talk to people about how they
[00:07:28] feel, because of course an event like this generates trauma and psychological
[00:07:31] impact that lasts a lifetime. Now, to understand the
[00:07:34] situation a little better, the United Nations is a very complex
[00:07:38] organization with many offices, with many sections, eh, in the humanitarian
[00:07:41] part, we see that the next general assembly, a large part of the
[00:07:45] program is humanitarian. How do they manage to divert all that humanitarian
[00:07:48] attention and especially find resources with so many demands
[00:07:52] all over the world? Yes, well, that's a great question,
[00:07:55] because well, it's no secret that multilateralism, with
[00:07:59] the events that have happened in the world in recent years, has been
[00:08:03] eh in some way attacked,
[00:08:06] affected, eh, but let's say that what we see
[00:08:09] is that the member states of the United Nations continue to support because
[00:08:13] obviously it is about saving lives, it is precisely the humanitarian component.
[00:08:16] The United Nations, as you say, is a family that has many mandates,
[00:08:20] we have the human rights mandate, the political mandate, more than the
[00:08:24] political negotiation, but let's say, the
[00:08:27] economic mandate, the development mandate that is so important for countries,
[00:08:30] the development goals, but of
[00:08:35] must be emphasized is that humanitarians
[00:08:39] have a part of the process within countries,
[00:08:42] but we cannot be alone. This has to be accompanied also by development
[00:08:46] actions and investments in development also to
[00:08:50] get out of the state of need. So we do a part in what has to
[00:08:54] do with saving lives, but I think there it is key to
[00:08:57] be able to move on to the next step,
[00:09:00] Doctor Vanessa May. We are going to a few
[00:09:04] commercial breaks and we will be back to delve a little deeper into the action in Latin
[00:09:07] America. We will be
[00:09:08] right back.
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[00:13:02] We continue, we continue talking with Vanessa
[00:13:05] Mey, high representative of the United Nations, she represents
[00:13:10] Venezuela, of humanitarian assistance. When talking about humanitarian
[00:13:14] assistance, you said earlier that the United Nations has many
[00:13:17] dimensions, but today with so many problems of global warming, war, conflicts,
[00:13:21] earthquakes, fires like those in
[00:13:25] Europe, humanitarian assistance is increasingly important. In the case of Latin America,
[00:13:28] could there be the possibility of a joint action by all countries?
[00:13:32] Well, eh, it is always desired that member states eh,
[00:13:36] let's say, put their focus of attention where the needs are
[00:13:40] and of course in Latin America there are needs. Something to take into
[00:13:43] account is that there is a competition for resources unfortunately, because
[00:13:46] there is always a conflict or a natural
[00:13:50] phenomenon that has a media impact and the focus of attention goes
[00:13:54] to that. So. eh, if you remember when eh all the
[00:13:57] news was focused on what was happening in Gaza or what was happening in
[00:14:01] Ukraine and let's say that there the focus of attention in Latin America
[00:14:05] drops quite a bit. But I asked you because I see that the European Union does have joint plans, we are
[00:14:09] now seeing the fires in Spain and France, how there is a joint action
[00:14:13] of the 27 states that form the European Union. How interesting it would be if in Latin
[00:14:16] America there was, apart from the United Nations, when the United Nations under the
[00:14:20] umbrella of a regional organization that also proceeded
[00:14:23] jointly, no, yes. It would be the dream, the dream in
[00:14:27] Latin America, I think there have been attempts and well, you
[00:14:33] history, to have regional organizations
[00:14:36] very strong, European Union style, there was an Andean
[00:14:39] Parliament, there was a Mercosur Parliament, eh, but let's say
[00:14:43] that I think this would be a good time to rethink that, because Latin
[00:14:46] America, I think, has great potential because we not only
[00:14:50] receive official development assistance but we are also capable of
[00:14:53] sharing. Eh, many experiences we have
[00:14:57] gained, you mentioned the Andean Community of Nations, Mercosur is fine,
[00:15:00] Central American integration is fine,
[00:15:03] CELAC, which is the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, it is appropriate to raise the
[00:15:06] issue of regional coordination with
[00:15:09] training, with education and above all immediate aid, where there is no
[00:15:13] all this bureaucracy when a group of assistance arrives as has happened in
[00:15:16] Venezuela, however, things have flowed very well here, no, with the United Nations, a lot of
[00:15:20] ease for these organizations to arrive here. How many United Nations
[00:15:23] organizations do you consider linked to the earthquake issue?
[00:15:27] Well, at this moment, eh, we have a tool where we can
[00:15:30] show in real time who is doing what and where,
[00:15:34] eh, among agencies, funds and programs, we are more or less
[00:15:37] 15 eh Agencies, Funds and Programs of the United Nations, but we work
[00:15:41] with eh humanitarian partners, with
[00:15:44] agencies, with organizations that are implementers of the
[00:15:47] different programs, we are talking about
[00:15:49] around eh 50, between 50 and 60
[00:15:53] organizations that are attending only the emergency due to
[00:15:57] the due to the two earthquakes. And in the case of these organizations that
[00:16:00] sent more private and public delegations, was there coordination with that
[00:16:04] too? Yes, well, as I was
[00:16:06] saying, the first thing we did was activate the humanitarian architecture that
[00:16:10] we have, and in that architecture there are a number of organizations that
[00:16:14] are also specialized in the sectors, the sectors in which we
[00:16:17] serve, no, health, food security,
[00:16:19] education, and that are specialists and have been working in
[00:16:23] Venezuela for a long time, so they are articulated. There are new
[00:16:27] organizations that have arrived because they have a specific expertise,
[00:16:32] them, with the countries that finance them so that they integrate
[00:16:36] the response. What we have wanted above all is to strengthen the humanitarian
[00:16:40] architecture that already existed, avoiding duplication and obviously in
[00:16:44] articulation with the authorities, because what any
[00:16:46] eh, let's say, official development assistance wants is to strengthen national
[00:16:50] capacities, no, we do not
[00:16:53] intend to stay here forever, but the idea is that we can
[00:16:57] strengthen national capacities and that is why it is so important, so key to work
[00:17:00] with the authorities. Now there is also a necessary training, you have a long
[00:17:04] career in humanitarian assistance. How has your
[00:17:08] experience been as a Latin American in those countries of the Far East, for example? With
[00:17:12] so many crises that exist and that have happened permanently. Yes,
[00:17:15] let's say that each crisis is different, each
[00:17:19] crisis has very important
[00:17:22] lessons to learn, but I think what I
[00:17:25] always highlight in all these emergencies that I have
[00:17:28] had the opportunity to be in is the resilience of people. I think that is
[00:17:32] something that characterizes us or that characterizes human beings in general,
[00:17:36] the resilience of people. To be able to get out of the state of
[00:17:39] need by themselves, I think that has been fundamental
[00:17:43] and I see it in the case of Venezuela, how people
[00:17:46] poured in and continue to pour in en masse to support
[00:17:50] Venezuelans who need it most. All sectors are involved
[00:17:54] in this response, the private sector, eh, academia,
[00:17:58] I think that is fundamental. Now, there are some protocols that have
[00:18:01] been able to prove with the experience of the United Nations to follow concrete
[00:18:05] activities in this case of, for example,
[00:18:08] earthquakes or storms or fires. There are many protocols that have also been
[00:18:12] signed by countries, by the member states of the United Nations. Generally, what
[00:18:15] I see, ambassador, is that in the end, what is on
[00:18:20] everything that a country can be very prepared for,
[00:18:23] no. So each emergency is different. There are countries
[00:18:27] that, for example, in the region Chile, Mexico,
[00:18:31] Colombia itself, that are very prepared, but many times there are emergencies that
[00:18:34] overwhelm the capacity that necessarily require
[00:18:38] the support of other member states, of
[00:18:41] other, let's say, specialized agencies. You,
[00:18:45] I believe, also have the training aspect with the possibility of linking
[00:18:49] with universities and centers dedicated to civil
[00:18:52] protection and defense. Yes, I think that is fundamental, working with academia is
[00:18:55] fundamental because, eh, let's say we have so many lessons learned, and I am talking
[00:18:59] about the specific case of Venezuela with this situation,
[00:19:04] time will come when we need to sit down together, eh, all the
[00:19:08] institutions, the instances of civil society, and the authorities to see what
[00:19:12] the lessons learned are and how academia can, for example, eh,
[00:19:15] promote, eh, I don't know, specific training in terms
[00:19:19] of, eh, risk management, which is the term
[00:19:22] used now to address all the phases of the emergency, from preparation.
[00:19:26] Preparation is extremely important, and generally states
[00:19:30] do not allocate resources for issues of
[00:19:32] preparation, no, and how we are also going to the mitigation
[00:19:36] phase. The prevention
[00:19:39] phase, that is, I think that is fundamental to start talking about these
[00:19:42] issues. We continue talking with Vanesa May, head of the
[00:19:46] United Nations Office for Humanitarian Assistance in Venezuela,
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[00:23:59] the United Nations accredited in Venezuela, who for
[00:24:03] 7 years now have been very active in our
[00:24:06] country. Is that presence of your office
[00:24:09] also a requirement of the United Nations in any country in the world and
[00:24:13] in the face of any natural or technological disaster? Well, OCHA is present
[00:24:17] where there are humanitarian crises, no. Many times
[00:24:20] we are talking about crises generated by
[00:24:23] conflicts, but also by natural phenomena. We arrived in Venezuela in
[00:24:26] 2019, after well, after
[00:24:30] the situation that occurred in, well, you
[00:24:33] remember in Colombia with the Simón Bolívar bridge, because there was
[00:24:37] an inappropriate use of the term humanitarian aid, inappropriate.
[00:24:41] So, what we somehow established, eh, with
[00:24:45] obviously with the authorization of the authorities and the government,
[00:24:48] was to be able to establish the humanitarian architecture to support
[00:24:52] the needs of people, especially in terms of food
[00:24:55] security, nutrition, health, well, the most
[00:24:59] pressing needs. What connection do you have with the development
[00:25:02] goals, especially those linked to these areas and the issue of international
[00:25:06] humanitarian law, which also has to do with humanitarian protection?
[00:25:09] Well, humanitarian work cannot be separated from human
[00:25:13] rights and international humanitarian law. In fact, our
[00:25:17] work is governed by four fundamental principles:
[00:25:20] neutrality, impartiality, humanity and independence.
[00:25:24] That is important, neutrality, impartiality, it is very important, independence, no.
[00:25:27] Yes, that they are not linked to any type of doctrine,
[00:25:31] political regime, ideology, that is the important thing that gives a lot of certainty
[00:25:35] and a lot of moral authority, no, exactly, because
[00:25:38] we have to provide humanitarian aid without distinction, without
[00:25:42] political distinction as you say, without distinction of race, without distinction, and that
[00:25:45] is what makes humanitarian work successful, because we reach the
[00:25:49] largest number of people and of course, in this work
[00:25:52] we need to negotiate with all parties, I give you an example anywhere
[00:25:56] in the world, for example, if we need to access
[00:25:59] a marquis, he was coming, he was working there before coming to
[00:26:02] Venezuela, well, you have to negotiate with the rebel groups,
[00:26:06] you have to negotiate with the military, you have to negotiate with everyone,
[00:26:10] because what we focus on is the people, on reaching people, putting people,
[00:26:14] putting people at the center, an agreement
[00:26:17] for the functioning of each state that gives
[00:26:20] total immunity, not so that they can act with full freedom, yes,
[00:26:24] well, obviously freedom also comes with certain
[00:26:28] important obligations, but also privilege, of course, yes,
[00:26:31] yes, exactly,
[00:26:36] because the United Nations are made up of
[00:26:39] member states that sign these agreements and
[00:26:43] there they establish the conditions for having a presence, a United Nations operation
[00:26:47] in the countries. It is interesting when in our country we talk with high-ranking female
[00:26:51] officials of the United Nations because in New York
[00:26:54] the rumor is already circulating that for the first time since
[00:26:57] 1945 the first Secretary General of the United Nations will be the first
[00:27:01] female Secretary. A woman, in fact there are three representatives from Latin
[00:27:05] America, including former President Bachelet, it is possible that we will have a
[00:27:08] woman as Secretary General of the UN, and you have
[00:27:12] many specialists in the world in many areas, no, yes, I really
[00:27:16] hope that the next time, for the first time,
[00:27:19] we will have a female Secretary General and that she will be Latin American, it would be
[00:27:23] a pride for all women who, like me, have pursued careers for so many years
[00:27:27] in this organization, because well, the United Nations
[00:27:30] that we have been in for so many years. I think the advantage is that it is a very
[00:27:34] diverse organization and we have more and more people from all over the world. For example,
[00:27:38] among my priorities is that there should be more Venezuelans within the
[00:27:41] international system. Yes, all countries have the right to have
[00:27:45] international officials, as is the case in
[00:27:47] Chile, Uruguay, and Argentina, which have many United
[00:27:51] Nations officials. Venezuela needs to be more interested in participating with
[00:27:54] trained personnel also in these areas of security and
[00:27:58] defense and surely of civil protection there is much possibility, a lot
[00:28:02] and there is a lot of capacity in Venezuela, I have colleagues who are fantastic,
[00:28:05] here most of the colleagues who work in Ocha, who work in my
[00:28:09] organization are Venezuelans and they are truly
[00:28:13] incredible, I always promote them so that they can also go to other missions
[00:28:17] in the world, because they bring interesting and very
[00:28:20] important experiences from Venezuela, but they also bring experiences from other
[00:28:23] countries. Now also the situation of the United Nations, I was talking
[00:28:26] about in these cases climate problems create a new
[00:28:30] migration which is climate migration. Internal, do you
[00:28:33] also have to do with migration? Well, IOM, which is the specialized
[00:28:37] agency for migration issues or for example,
[00:28:40] which works with refugees, they are part of the
[00:28:43] humanitarian architecture where we are, and in the case of Venezuela, the
[00:28:47] United Nations, because I think the Red Cross is not intergovernmental, but as a
[00:28:50] private organization it also has a very specific migration
[00:28:53] program, yes, the Red Cross is, let's say, an
[00:28:56] observer member of the humanitarian architecture and we work in
[00:28:59] coordination and in articulation with them also because what
[00:29:02] we basically do is to prevent
[00:29:06] duplication of actions, so knowing exactly
[00:29:09] who does what where helps us to know,
[00:29:13] and we also respect the mandates of different organizations. Now for the Venezuelan women who listen to you,
[00:29:16] especially students linked to law and international
[00:29:20] relations, how do they join the United Nations system and
[00:29:23] in the particular case of humanitarian action, well there are
[00:29:26] many ways to get involved, there is a first step that I
[00:29:30] would suggest is to look at the UN
[00:29:34] Volunteers program, which is a very important program, it is very interesting
[00:29:37] because people when they hear the word volunteers think it is without
[00:29:41] pay, but the training
[00:29:45] they receive in these programs, the incentives are very important and I
[00:29:49] would invite all students who are
[00:29:52] interested in these issues to get involved, there is
[00:29:55] information on our websites, we are on
[00:29:59] social networks, in the case of Ocha specifically we are on Instagram,
[00:30:03] we are on Twitter, we are on
[00:30:06] many platforms, I see that today precisely one of the officials who is
[00:30:10] in charge of public relations and also of advertising,
[00:30:13] not information, she is the our public
[00:30:17] information officer, because for us it is very important to communicate
[00:30:21] and for people to understand the work we do, to also bring closer
[00:30:24] what the United Nations do, what our partners do
[00:30:27] in Venezuela, it is very important that it is understood because, as you
[00:30:31] said, the United Nations are many things and
[00:30:35] well, it is important to understand that the humanitarian role, the humanitarian work reaches
[00:30:39] a certain point and then there are other colleagues, other specialized
[00:30:42] agencies that deal with other issues more related to
[00:30:46] development. Well, Vanessa Meya has been a pleasure for
[00:30:49] our programs and for Globovisión to have her with us to
[00:30:52] inform about such important activities, especially in this
[00:30:56] time after the earthquake with the humanitarian crisis in
[00:30:59] Venezuela, it is important that the public knows what they are
[00:31:03] doing and, as you said, that young people also join this work in the
[00:31:06] United Nations and especially in the humanitarian area, so thank you very much,
[00:31:10] we will continue inviting her to talk about some universities, later
[00:31:13] we have guests precisely to talk about migration, which is also a fundamental
[00:31:17] humanitarian issue, so thank you very much, keep up the good work and in whatever
[00:31:21] way we can support you, Globovisión is at your service, thank you very much Ambassador, the pleasure has
[00:31:24] been mine, we continue then later with other interviews.
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[00:32:23] professionals. AM with Beatriz Lugo from
[00:36:26] Last weekend Europe experienced one of the most serious
[00:36:29] migratory crises, there was talk of a hybrid war using migration and
[00:36:33] it is even said that it is the first time that with social networks
[00:36:37] a torrent of 60,000 people has been summoned to invade
[00:36:40] a country, peacefully of course, but it is an invasion and there is a
[00:36:44] permanent controversy between the Arab world and Europe over migration and especially
[00:36:48] Morocco which has an internal problem with the
[00:36:51] old Spanish territories that are in the area precisely in the interior of
[00:36:55] Morocco, which Morocco with the green march left without any
[00:36:59] reason, it appropriated territory, but Morocco also, if
[00:37:02] I look at the map we have in front of us, has this very
[00:37:05] peculiar situation, this is all of Africa, Europe begins, the
[00:37:09] last European border is precisely here in two cities that
[00:37:12] are on the African continent, which are Ceuta and
[00:37:15] Melilla, but the problem occurred here in Ceuta, it is 9
[00:37:19] km2, the city of Ceuta that is African
[00:37:22] territory, but in Ceuta it is a Spanish
[00:37:25] city since 1540, that is. they are historically
[00:37:29] Spanish, Ceuta and Melilla, like the Canary Islands that are also on the
[00:37:33] continent closer to Africa, but Europe has its last border
[00:37:36] here, hence that invading
[00:37:39] 50,000 people one day crossing to the beach,
[00:37:42] to the border of Spain here in the southern zone very close to
[00:37:46] Gibraltar, Algeciras and very close to Cadiz, it was as
[00:37:50] Europeans say that these illegal immigrants also pass through all
[00:37:53] of Europe and reach Italy or
[00:37:57] happened beyond Spain, the closure of Italy's borders, that is why
[00:38:00] today we have a specialist in migration such as
[00:38:03] Santiago Science, who handles the issue very well, he has spoken about
[00:38:07] migration and we are going to ask him about this geopolitical fact of migration,
[00:38:11] no longer, as we said, only with the United Nations that the
[00:38:14] doctor previously mentioned, that it was a geopolitical,
[00:38:18] humanitarian issue, but that this is also a
[00:38:21] precisely develop the
[00:38:24] importance that migration has today Santiago. Anyway,
[00:38:28] Santiago, introduce yourself and tell us why you give so much importance
[00:38:32] to migration, yes, good afternoon ambassador, uh,
[00:38:35] exactly what has happened is, as you call it, a
[00:38:39] hybrid war, no, this is not any type of
[00:38:42] migration, uh, attached to the legal framework, it is a migration that
[00:38:46] must be looked at with a magnifying glass and spoken about in a global
[00:38:49] context and above all a context where it adheres to
[00:38:53] legality but also opposes illegality
[00:38:56] because it is specifically in the legal field that this
[00:38:59] migration, this mass of people that numbers around 60,000
[00:39:03] Moroccan migrants who have arrived both in Ceuta and
[00:39:06] Melilla, uh, through social networks and the dissemination of
[00:39:10] precisely a sentence from the city of Seville that
[00:39:14] establishes that a person or migrant who enters
[00:39:17] by swimming in a maritime manner is a person
[00:39:21] who does not tend to deportability, there you have to
[00:39:24] be very careful because there is a loophole in the law. and it does not
[00:39:28] explain exactly how to proceed or what
[00:39:31] exactly is the situation of the person who enters by swimming, so
[00:39:35] that unfortunately in an irresponsible way was
[00:39:39] massively disseminated, apparently directed by Morocco, which is what is proposed, the detail
[00:39:42] is that to fall in a legal way, we are already talking in a political
[00:39:46] sphere, but to establish it in a legal way we would have to have a series of
[00:39:50] proofs to create exactly jurisprudence and to
[00:39:53] establish legal consequences in this regard, that's why there is a new migration law in
[00:39:56] Europe. but it is fundamental because if that
[00:40:04] be repeated in Italy, it will be repeated in Portugal, there are already
[00:40:07] governments of the European Union that have taken action,
[00:40:10] the day before yesterday, they closed what they call the Schengen treaty, which was
[00:40:14] the opening of all borders, President Meloni has just done it, President
[00:40:18] Meloni closed the Schengen area for Spanish citizens, they have
[00:40:22] to have a double control, Spanish people who wish to enter
[00:40:25] Italian territory, but Portugal has just approved a very important
[00:40:28] law that the Chega party which is a party of a conservative
[00:40:32] coalition that is of high denomination in the
[00:40:35] parliament has established that Portugal is for
[00:40:38] Portuguese and people who wish to reside in Portugal
[00:40:42] internationals must adapt to Portuguese morals and good
[00:40:45] customs, so it is no longer a topic that only two or
[00:40:49] three people are talking about, it is a global
[00:40:52] topic where everyone who wants and wishes to emigrate because it is a natural
[00:40:55] human flow, there is a natural right to migration, but there are also United
[00:40:59] Nations norms with asylum and refuge established in conventions,
[00:41:03] but to that migration like that of Spain which was a total eruption of
[00:41:07] 4000 people, but I repeat, that migration in Spain
[00:41:11] which was not totally is uncontrollable, that
[00:41:14] migration, Spain has to channel it through legal
[00:41:17] methods, it has to channel exactly a new migratory
[00:41:20] code or establish more severe regulations, and Morocco's
[00:41:24] responsibility as the place of origin, well, Morocco has had a responsibility. It is a responsibility that should
[00:41:28] be brought before the court because it is a responsibility that is purely
[00:41:32] planned, I must say this with great responsibility, it is a state
[00:41:35] that has some other ambitions that
[00:41:39] have been around for many years regarding the territories of Ceuta and
[00:41:42] Melilla, the detail is that the people who are residing in the
[00:41:46] European Union also around the world are people who
[00:41:50] wish to live under their own rules and
[00:41:53] culture, here clearly the culture is being transgressed with
[00:41:57] a way of thinking and a way of having a social context
[00:42:01] completely different from the West, now in
[00:42:04] why does a Venezuelan like you, a migration specialist,
[00:42:07] care about this special case of Melilla and Ceuta in
[00:42:11] Africa with Spain and all of Europe with the Schengen Treaty on
[00:42:15] migration in Latin America? What is happening? Without having this
[00:42:18] situation, similar cases could be repeated with massive
[00:42:22] migrations and collectivities directed towards a country. Well, first life led me to be a
[00:42:26] lawyer, but before that I am a migrant, no, I
[00:42:29] migrated for many years for a decade outside my country and I
[00:42:33] submitted to foreign regulations, how to channel
[00:42:36] myself exactly, how to be a regular migrant.
[00:42:40] By having a migratory responsibility, one also
[00:42:43] wishes for my country of Venezuela
[00:42:47] also wishes for a migratory responsibility, a migratory
[00:42:50] code adhering to Venezuelan legality but also based on the
[00:42:53] morals and good customs of the country, a code as I repeat I have said in
[00:42:57] many or a new migratory law that does not exist or there is a very old
[00:43:00] one, there is a very old one dating from the year
[00:43:04] 2004, that
[00:43:07] okay of today, it has no
[00:43:10] context, it was when Venezuela was a country of immigration and not emigration, well it was
[00:43:14] a law that in a somewhat
[00:43:17] opaque way did not function very well that year,
[00:43:20] so it hadn't happened, it hadn't happened so that the
[00:43:24] population could understand a law dating from the year 2004, we are
[00:43:27] in 2026, it is totally
[00:43:30] decontextualized and even more so when we are in
[00:43:33] situations like the one we experienced on June 24th, a natural
[00:43:37] disaster that can occur anywhere in the world but we have to be
[00:43:41] prepared for any type of eventuality, legal, economic
[00:43:44] and social, now in that case there is also an influx
[00:43:48] of migrants from Latin America towards a route that is the United States
[00:43:53] President Trump's policy, which has to do with that, with international law and especially
[00:43:57] the right to asylum and refuge that is enshrined by the United Nations,
[00:44:00] yes, uh, you highlight it very well, the right to asylum and refuge,
[00:44:04] fundamental in every Magna Carta, also fundamental in international
[00:44:07] principles, the detail is that that
[00:44:10] principle has been undermined, that unfortunately when one is going to
[00:44:14] determine exactly if there is credible fear in that migrant
[00:44:17] population, sadly it has to be said that it cannot be proven,
[00:44:21] because when there is a mass of millions of people
[00:44:25] transiting, uh, to reach the destination which in this case
[00:44:28] is North America, the United States or Canada, those people have
[00:44:32] a right to live, but they are misinformed and besides
[00:44:36] being misinformed they are not compatible with the
[00:44:39] principles that they are claiming, the principles that they are
[00:44:43] adhering to, being a refugee or being an asylum seeker has a series of
[00:44:46] elements that must be met, by not having notoriety of these
[00:44:50] elements, the person goes a blind path, that is why
[00:44:54] we must always disseminate the legal
[00:44:57] content and not fall unfortunately into what
[00:45:00] unfortunately is misinformed in the social media, Dr.
[00:45:04] Santiago, we are going to a commercial break and we will return to touch on those
[00:45:07] important aspects of the law in the case of Latin America taking this reference we made of
[00:45:11] Spain which is very important because all the press has dealt with the case and in
[00:45:15] international compass we have to touch on these issues that are eminently diplomatic and
[00:45:19] international, we'll be right back.
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[00:46:26] this Thursday in Kicosis we will talk with
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[00:46:32] coach, Kicosis, Thursday,
[00:46:35] one in the afternoon on
[00:46:37] Globovisión.
[00:46:44] This Saturday you can't miss the program because I'm
[00:46:47] going to tell you about the 88
[00:46:50] portal
[00:46:52] solar eclipse that we will have on August 12th and the
[00:46:56] lunar eclipse that we will have on August
[00:46:59] 28th. Belkis Fenchui, Saturday
[00:47:02] 7 in the morning on
[00:47:04] Globovisión.
[00:47:10] This Saturday, in another vision, we took a 2-year
[00:47:14] break and as a result of what
[00:47:18] was this tragedy that really not only
[00:47:21] hit. not a whole nation, uh,
[00:47:24] we had to come back, our program is for 24 months where
[00:47:28] we can help at least 500 children, that is,
[00:47:32] and I say at least because 500 children is a very
[00:47:36] low number for what we are facing, but one also
[00:47:39] has to know how far one can cover, another vision,
[00:47:43] Saturday, one in the afternoon on
[00:47:46] Globovisión.
[00:47:55] Venezuela lived submerged in permanent military
[00:47:58] campaigns, outbreaks of epidemics
[00:48:01] and unexpected defeats, each battle could be the
[00:48:05] last.
[00:48:06] 1818,
[00:48:09] in the midst of the campaign, a piece of news broke in
[00:48:12] Europe. Bolivar has died
[00:48:16] without glory or witnesses. A
[00:48:19] newspaper states it, others repeat it.
[00:48:23] and like an echo, alliances fall, troops
[00:48:26] dissolve and hope
[00:48:28] dies. this Sunday discover
[00:48:31] how a printed lie
[00:48:34] almost buried freedom before it was
[00:48:37] born, hosted by Inocencio Figueroa
[00:48:41] Sunday in the news rounds at
[00:48:45] 9:30 in the morning and 12 noon
[00:48:48] on Globovisión.
[00:49:19] In the history of humanity, the first books of literature were the Odyssey and
[00:49:22] the Iliad and precisely it is said that the Odyssey that is happening in Caracas, an
[00:49:26] extraordinary production by Nolan, is a song to
[00:49:30] immigration, really Odysseus who is Odysseus, Ulysses
[00:49:33] in Italy, in Rome, Odysseus in
[00:49:36] Greece, was the one who made the immense journey to Ithaca where Penelope
[00:49:40] and his son, Telemachus, awaited him.
[00:49:43] Also with so many difficulties, with a basic principle where he arrived,
[00:49:47] which was the law of Zeus, which was to receive the
[00:49:50] foreigner well. You, who are a specialist in migration, it is a principle
[00:49:54] of humanity to receive well those who come from another country, but when there are migrations like those
[00:49:58] we saw in Spain, in Spain with Seville, in Ceuta and
[00:50:02] in Melilla, it is a problem when there are illegal migrations, you say that when there are
[00:50:06] rights and a legal framework, one can migrate, but when not, what happens in those
[00:50:10] cases, of course, here, here it is an important, uh,
[00:50:13] comparison, because always when humanitarian
[00:50:16] law contradicts the internal law of each country, then it is an example that I
[00:50:20] give. very basic, the person who is going to enter a neighbor's house cannot
[00:50:23] enter with muddy feet, they don't want to get the house dirty.
[00:50:26] the person, there are regulations that must be complied with,
[00:50:30] of course, here it must be made very clear, here it is a violation of
[00:50:34] international law, here it is a violation of internal Spanish law and
[00:50:38] one must have an awareness and first, a
[00:50:41] legal education regarding why this way of
[00:50:45] entering is totally detached from the law, in fact there you have the map of our
[00:50:48] continent and you have to see the migratory flows that go towards the United States.
[00:50:52] a bit like what happens with Africa and the Arab world towards Spain, towards the European Union,
[00:50:56] but in the United States there are new rules that must be known
[00:51:00] and adapted to or explained and also our
[00:51:03] legislation guiding in that sense, we must guide, uh, we have to be very
[00:51:07] responsible in what is being established, we have to here we have to take
[00:51:10] responsibility for our migratory mass in the United States of
[00:51:13] America, we have to educate them about it, we have to first understand
[00:51:16] that it is a totally different law from the continental one, it is
[00:51:20] common law, it is customary law, it is a law that is
[00:51:24] totally based on principles of custom and
[00:51:27] handled here in Venezuela, it is a country of emigration,
[00:51:31] because we see the United States and we see that the migratory fat of Europe was determinant for
[00:51:34] the constitution of the North American people, of course, but it is a country of migration, that
[00:51:38] migration that you are saying, ambassador, is a migration that went to populate, a planned
[00:51:42] migration, we repeat, we have to be very aware and
[00:51:45] responsible and have, let's say, the
[00:51:48] vision of moving our Venezuelan
[00:51:52] un respaldo jurídico, pero darle una información también que no está
[00:51:55] blind, uh, we have seen some progress in this regard and what
[00:51:59] formally, the proposal for
[00:52:03] migration reform before the Assembly. before the National Assembly, but the most
[00:52:07] important thing is to restore international relations,
[00:52:10] restore diplomatic relations, because the embassy and the
[00:52:14] consulate are the executive arm of the Venezuelan state
[00:52:17] in the country where it is, we will have our consulate in Miami, cultural center in
[00:52:21] Florida, in Washington, New York and especially in Los Angeles
[00:52:25] to San Francisco, yes, but I vote because
[00:52:28] we must have that, but it must be explained so that the population understands it,
[00:52:32] if it is not explained, we are blind, just to tell the national
[00:52:35] population, a migrant who does not have a representation of
[00:52:39] their country in their place of residence is a migrant who has no rights, is a
[00:52:42] migrant who is stripped of all types of rights and duties, it is now foreseen with the
[00:52:46] opening of relations of the embassy in Caracas to have our consulates and our two
[00:52:52] what we expect, we have been waiting for almost a decade, more than a decade waiting
[00:52:56] for it and we have to give an answer to our migration, I repeat, now these problems that immigrants
[00:53:00] have today in the United States, how to address them, where to ask for
[00:53:03] an explanation, how...
[00:53:07] Well, what I wanted to say, what I wanted to finish was that exactly without representation abroad
[00:53:11] we are blurred and that is not only in the United States, also in the southern
[00:53:15] cone, Peru, Chile, it seems that they are already in conversations to
[00:53:18] re-establish diplomatic relations, where there are many
[00:53:20] Venezuelans, that's why we have to have the responsibility of having a guide
[00:53:24] and a roadmap for the Venezuelan population, it is a mere
[00:53:27] necessity, that has to be a state policy, not only
[00:53:31] to stay in what one can talk about, it has to become a fact in that regard.
[00:53:35] uh, the person who wants any type of information about migration, exactly how
[00:53:39] to migrate legally can contact us through the phone number
[00:53:43] 04127846336
[00:53:45] my partner Anarditsone uh answers calls here in the office in Caracas,
[00:53:48] Venezuela and through the social network
[00:53:50] Santiagoscience.law
[00:53:53] now when you see new rules, for example in Spain or in
[00:53:57] Italy or in Portugal you have to catch up also because many
[00:54:01] children or grandchildren who can claim European nationality have to know
[00:54:07] one always has to establish,
[00:54:09] democratize migratory content,
[00:54:12] we are a country that
[00:54:16] migratory laws, we were not a
[00:54:19] country of migrants, now we are, there is a large
[00:54:22] migratory population that requires
[00:54:24] representation, but a representation attached to
[00:54:28] the law, with feet on the ground, it cannot
[00:54:32] others say or what is a supposition. it has to be what
[00:54:36] the law says exactly and a law that
[00:54:39] can go against or in favor of the migrant, but it is the one we have to know, but
[00:54:43] not listen to siren songs in the migratory part like in the movie of Odysseus
[00:54:46] where fortunately Ulysses ties himself to the
[00:54:50] central mast so that the sirens do not deceive him because there are
[00:54:54] many siren singers who are announcing to leave the country
[00:54:58] or or they will find and it is better to give up on that,
[00:55:01] you have examples here in Petare you told me totally we have to have a
[00:55:05] responsibility first in this regard in the Petare neighborhood you told me that you have a
[00:55:08] job done, totally yes, in the Petare neighborhood we did a survey
[00:55:11] years ago, we practically surveyed 300
[00:55:14] people who have discouraged people, they have discouraged
[00:55:18] people from leaving and if they want to leave, it must be according to the
[00:55:21] law, it must be with a
[00:55:25] Venezuelan and American North American yes because we already have North American Venezuelans
[00:55:29] we have a generation of Venezuelans born in the United States also has to have a context
[00:55:33] has to have a reality. I repeat, outside of the law there can be
[00:55:37] nothing, because it is to go to the uncertain, a person who wants to emigrate
[00:55:40] with lack of knowledge, trusting in third parties where there is no
[00:55:44] proper legal advice is a person who is going
[00:55:47] blind, get advice before making such an important decision because
[00:55:51] it is a life decision, migrating changes life, the person who migrates is not the same
[00:55:55] from the one who leaves to the one who returns. now there are studies done in statistical matter that it is
[00:55:59] interesting to consider seeing the families from where
[00:56:02] they go, where they come from, who left? what possibility is there to recover that
[00:56:06] population and now that Venezuela has better conditions, those emigrants who
[00:56:10] left can contribute a lot, give them advantages as the Europeans did
[00:56:15] the dictatorship who then returned and are part of the national
[00:56:19] development, totally, here what they have I repeat, here a new
[00:56:22] vision has to come, we are proposing a reform of the migratory law because
[00:56:26] unfortunately we are unprotected by any type of migration law in
[00:56:30] our country, the law of foreigners and naturalization
[00:56:33] is totally weak then. by having something that represents us, we have
[00:56:37] to propose something that is for the future,
[00:56:40] projecting a robust nationality, a nationality attached to legal
[00:56:44] principles and always understanding that our morals and
[00:56:47] our good customs have to be channeled so that this
[00:56:51] respect continues and endures in the future, something very important here and
[00:56:54] forgive me for taking this minute ambassador, is where we can have the
[00:56:58] severity of the law, we, we have to understand the population and
[00:57:02] give it a legal framework and a context with what happened in Vargas
[00:57:05] State, we have to take data in Vargas State, in Vargas State there are
[00:57:09] people who no longer have a home, there are people who do not even have a place to
[00:57:12] land or where to go, emotional support is
[00:57:15] destroyed, they are internal immigrants, right? and they are internal immigrants and also
[00:57:19] want to migrate, but we don't know that, we have to
[00:57:23] know the context for that, we have to gather data in the state, we have to know
[00:57:26] exactly what happens there, the person wants to migrate, the person does not want to migrate, the
[00:57:30] person where will they move, many people will not be able to represent
[00:57:36] the Vargas area, no yes, and we are channeling it and we will achieve it and
[00:57:40] when we have the data we will show it to the country so that it is
[00:57:43] public knowledge, it is very important that we are
[00:57:46] part. an echo and we can make known exactly
[00:57:50] what happens there, because otherwise we cannot have any type of law attached to
[00:57:54] reality, Dr. Vanessa Mey from the United Nations told us that she wants
[00:57:58] to approach universities, we could propose a seminar, a diploma
[00:58:02] on migration with all these characteristics that have geopolitical,
[00:58:05] political, economic, social, we are open to it when the
[00:58:09] school of the central university is restored, especially and other
[00:58:12] universities because they have had a halt
[00:58:15] due to the earthquake. Well, we are totally open because
[00:58:19] I repeat, the content must be disseminated so that it can be a
[00:58:22] long-lasting law. Now we also talked about Latin America should
[00:58:26] act together, not only Venezuela or Colombia, or Chile or Peru separately,
[00:58:30] but within the Latin American framework like the European Union, which are 27 countries
[00:58:33] with a common policy on migration, as well as on international matters
[00:58:37] or defense. Well, I believe that there are clear advances, there are
[00:58:41] actions, at least Chile, Peru, Ecuador,
[00:58:44] Colombia, but at a regional level, norms that are useful for. Well,
[00:58:48] they are already implementing a meeting between President Keiko Fujimori and President
[00:58:51] Casa regarding migration and in that migration we also fall as Venezuelan
[00:58:55] nationality, it has to have support, now I tell the
[00:58:58] national population, if we ourselves as Venezuelans and for
[00:59:01] Venezuelans do not have migratory support, serious legal
[00:59:05] support, sustained over time, who will do it for us, it is time to do it
[00:59:09] now, repeat your networks and your data for any
[00:59:13] contact, you can contact our office here in Caracas, Venezuela.
[00:59:17] uh in Altamira the phone number
[00:59:20] 04127846336
[00:59:22] and any query through the social network Santiago
[00:59:25] science.law well and as we told you at the beginning
[00:59:31] the Odyssey everything is a
[00:59:34] life, we have to provide the conditions and satisfied needs to
[00:59:38] be able to do it well and of course there are norms as you said of
[00:59:42] receiving from the house of any neighbor of any country to know their
[00:59:45] legislation for those specialists. ready, that's why we will continue
[00:59:49] touching on the issue of migration always in international compass, as today we had the United Nations
[00:59:53] and a university professor, a specialist, we will continue touching on
[00:59:56] the topic along with other international topics that always in compass have
[01:00:00] a place because it is part of education, of training and knowledge for a
[01:00:03] better country, as we are programming and projecting all Venezuelans, tomorrow
[01:00:07] the force of words and our
[01:00:11] análisis en profundidad como el de esta tarde, muy buenas
[01:00:13] tardes.
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