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[00:00:00] time, we know of his diplomatic
[00:00:00] potential
[00:00:01] We have multiple options to experience as a diplomat of the Mexican chancellery in his
[00:00:04] time, a friend of many of the heads of state of that country, and for
[00:00:08] years in the activity of non-governmental
[00:00:11] organizations that also work with the United Nations,
[00:00:15] and since the state cannot especially within the ECOSOC, which is the Economic and Social Council of the UN, which
[00:00:18] is based in New York. Thank you very much, José Alfredo Ramírez, ambassador
[00:00:22] for diplomatic and humanitarian affairs. Until a
[00:00:26] next meeting, as always, on the topic of diplomacy and international relations.
[00:00:30] Thank you very much,
[00:00:34] 2025, China's
[00:01:52] informed, it is necessary, essential,
[00:01:56] intelligent, deep, free,
[00:02:00] democratic analysis about the situation, the scenarios, the
[00:02:03] trends. Today we are joined by Alejandro
[00:02:08] Terán Martínez. Alejandro is a lawyer, journalist and one of the most important
[00:02:12] Venezuelan oil
[00:02:14] to say, despite the fact analysts. He serves as director of the Latin
[00:02:18] American Association of Petroleum
[00:02:21] Entrepreneurs, based in
[00:02:34] historic agreement
[00:02:36] who are watching, and what I am has just been signed
[00:02:38] about 15.6 billion, see all that between Venezuela and the United States, an energy
[00:02:42] agreement, what does it consist of? Let's explain to the
[00:02:46] audience, in what terms
[00:02:50] arise in this new stage of is this agreement signed? Well, first
[00:02:52] of all, there was a reform of the hydrocarbon law, an act of the National
[00:02:56] Assembly this year. Second, PDVSA has been signing strategic alliance contracts with the
[00:03:00] different sectors since
[00:03:02] 2021-22, the anti-blockade law, exactly, the anti-blockade
[00:03:06] law, all that sort of thing, and there have been several
[00:03:09] strategic cooperation agreements between PDVSA since
[00:03:13] 2021-22, because after 2014, with the blockade
[00:03:16] that they imposed on it, the Venezuela-Texas interconnection
[00:03:21] dropped by 80%, represented there agreed with and PDVSA stopped producing 3 million barrels
[00:03:25] to produce 30,000. And then they had to, they
[00:03:28] managed to recover to 1,200.
[00:03:30] The coercive measures totally destroyed the industry
[00:03:34] because it was a very harsh
[00:03:38] crisis, how do you value this, what siege. However, PDVSA managed
[00:03:41] very different because it is the stage of to lift production, but then the last naval blockade was deadly,
[00:03:45] but the following happens: the moment comes when artificial
[00:03:49] only bank that offers you intelligence begins to take a very important leap, the
[00:03:52] stock market begins to produce. Shares
[00:03:55] depend on artificial intelligence. Of the 10
[00:03:59] largest companies in the world, eight are data companies,
[00:04:03] and data is manufactured or produced in a very important
[00:04:07] way with three elements: water, gas, and oil.
[00:04:10] When they start looking for a way to control this growing
[00:04:14] monster, which is the new oil, which is data, the United
[00:04:18] States realizes that its main supplier for the last 100
[00:04:22] lie, but he's talking to years, which was reliable, reliable Venezuela, was out of
[00:04:25] the game because it strangled it itself. So there's a strategic
[00:04:29] movement from that year, which Biden himself started,
[00:04:32] that is, he went to talk to the oil company, state policy,
[00:04:36] state policy. Look, the reserve starts to fall, it's at the lowest
[00:04:40] historical levels of the last 40 years. It's very similar
[00:04:43] to the reserve level that the United States had when it signed
[00:04:47] the famous petrodollar in 1971, when resources
[00:04:50] were low, and they took out the gold standard to...
[00:04:53] the petrodollar, forcing
[00:04:55] are the basis of the mixture the Persian Gulf, all the oil companies to buy and sell
[00:04:58] in dollars. Well, that aspect, the BRICS, OPEC
[00:05:02] plus, and the creation of new payment mechanisms, affected
[00:05:05] the dollar and the US debt a lot. So when, when,
[00:05:09] when, at this moment, the US planners sit down to do the
[00:05:12] math, and we're going to talk about several things in
[00:05:16] the program, they realize that they won't make it to
[00:05:20] December, that the plane has a quarter tank of gas and they can't
[00:05:23] find where to fill it, and they see their allies are
[00:05:26] fighting, the Persian Gulf is fighting Russia,
[00:05:29] and Ukraine continues to gain ground every day. What was
[00:05:33] left for the US government to do was what it did,
[00:05:36] negotiate with the one it had always had as a partner,
[00:05:40] help it rehabilitate, help it get out of what they themselves
[00:05:44] created, because that's the reality, right? So
[00:05:47] this historic agreement comes for Venezuela,
[00:05:51] which consists of what? This agreement consists of
[00:05:54] 17 CPP fields,
[00:05:57] or oil
[00:05:59] and hydrocarbon production contracts. Simply,
[00:06:02] Navec, which already operates in Venezuela, many things
[00:06:06] have been said, but it has an operation in the east of the country
[00:06:10] and in the west, a company that is quite well positioned,
[00:06:14] had made a significant investment and was working
[00:06:17] the fields, taking the oil and investing in the operation.
[00:06:21] When they start looking for someone, who is the only one
[00:06:25] who was precariously advancing here was Navec,
[00:06:28] so there was no other. The emergency doesn't allow much
[00:06:31] time to wait for decisions. They immediately told them,
[00:06:34] you're going to take these 17 fields, we're going to support
[00:06:38] you financially, you're going to give a percentage to the United
[00:06:41] States, and we're going to invest $100 billion, and you're going
[00:06:44] to develop eight virgin blocks, which is another thing. People
[00:06:47] think that tomorrow there will be ships with barrels in them,
[00:06:51] that's not how it is. That is, the United States and the
[00:06:54] US Federal Reserve, the US strategic reserve, will see
[00:06:58] firm oil first in the next three or four months from what
[00:07:01] already exists, and then in five years, which is when the
[00:07:05] large oil fields will start to produce results, and for
[00:07:09] five years you're going to have to be investing in that operation,
[00:07:12] building a city, building a country that you yourself strangled
[00:07:16] with your blockade around those 17
[00:07:19] deposits. Of course, because petroleum engineering is 70%
[00:07:22] civil engineering and 30% petroleum engineering. So it's
[00:07:25] not just setting up a rig with 60 men and starting an operation.
[00:07:29] It's about where they live, where they eat, what roads
[00:07:32] they use, what services they use: water, electricity, telephone,
[00:07:36] satellite, internet, cars, tires, arepas, empanadas, coffee
[00:07:40] every morning, all that logistics.
[00:07:42] It will positively affect the region and will make the planners
[00:07:48] observing, is that there will be a rebirth of the country
[00:07:51] in this fabulous oil economy that is coming for
[00:07:54] Venezuela. Why is the sovereign control of oil by the state
[00:07:57] and Venezuelans not at risk? I want to revive, and allow
[00:08:01] me, it has been speculated, well, largely it is disinformation
[00:08:04] and manipulation laboratories. I want to revive
[00:08:07] something, how was the relationship of the
[00:08:11] military of General Gómez with Rockefeller, who would
[00:08:14] be the big shot of that era, and what happened in 1961
[00:08:17] in Venezuela? In 1961,
[00:08:19] Gómez realized that he had a totally agricultural
[00:08:23] country that had no capacity for resources. He signed a
[00:08:26] CPP with Rockefeller, saying, "Rock, extract oil and
[00:08:30] build me the infrastructure," and Rockefeller did that. Then General Contreras
[00:08:34] continued the same operation, then World War II broke
[00:08:37] out, and Rockefeller and the United States said, "We don't
[00:08:40] have fuel for the fight against Hitler." Venezuela became
[00:08:44] part of the allies, and the first hydrocarbon law was
[00:08:48] made in 1943. Venezuela received that economic
[00:08:50] impact overnight when Dr. Betancourt said, "We have to
[00:08:54] sow oil." Arturo Uslar Pietri was already realizing what
[00:08:57] was happening. A little bit of memory. So the one who
[00:09:01] capitalized on all that great CPP was named Pérez Jiménez,
[00:09:04] who built most of the works in his 8 or 10 years
[00:09:08] of government. Then Rómulo Betancourt came in 1961 and signed
[00:09:11] the decree that created the Venezuelan Guayana Corporation. They
[00:09:15] talked with the Iron Mining Company, Orinoco Mining Company
[00:09:19] and U.S. Steel. Steel was still a very important element,
[00:09:22] as it still is, and they told them, "I'll sign a contract
[00:09:26] with you, I'll set up a mining camp in the San Felipe area
[00:09:30] because Guayana didn't exist, and we'll set up a city."
[00:09:33] It was planned, and what did Rómulo Betancourt do? He gave
[00:09:37] them Cerro Bolívar. "Extract all the iron you want,"
[00:09:40] and they extracted iron for
[00:09:42] 15, 20 years and built a properly planned city, which
[00:09:45] is Ciudad Guayana. So sovereignty is not being handed over. What
[00:09:49] the national government is doing is what all governments have
[00:09:52] done, which is to use the resource, pay for the investment,
[00:09:56] because Venezuela is not being given the investment for free.
[00:09:59] Venezuela is paying with its oil for what it is receiving,
[00:10:03] and on top of that, it is generating infrastructure that
[00:10:06] will provide services to Venezuelans. That is not handing over sovereignty
[00:10:10] in any way. Why is it not a privatization? Because it
[00:10:14] is not even a policy of concessions. What
[00:10:16] are we talking about? In what central terms are we talking
[00:10:19] about this new agreement?
[00:10:23] We'll be back after the break.
[00:14:06] agreement between Venezuela and the United
[00:14:08] States. I am going to ask Alejandro,
[00:14:12] what does it consist of? Why is it not a privatization?
[00:14:16] Why is this bilateral pact not a concession either?
[00:14:19] It is not part of a concession policy. What is the
[00:14:23] difference, Alejandro? Well, first because it is within the
[00:14:27] framework of the new hydrocarbon law that allows what are
[00:14:29] called CPPH, which are hydrocarbon production contracts. It is
[00:14:33] not a concession or privatization, not at all. The ownership
[00:14:37] of the reserve belongs to the state. What does the state do?
[00:14:40] The state tells you, "We are going to do one thing: since
[00:14:44] you are going to develop these oil fields and invest to
[00:14:48] develop them, I am going to pay you with oil." So
[00:14:51] you optimize your oil production and what you take
[00:14:55] is charged to the account I have with you, but you will pay
[00:14:58] me a royalty and my taxes. So on top of that, unlike
[00:15:01] the oil opening, which by the way was not paid, 1% was paid,
[00:15:05] but notice, the oil opening and this operation have something
[00:15:08] in common: the infrastructure remains in the operation.
[00:15:11] Of course, Venezuela received $13 million in the oil
[00:15:15] opening, not in money, but in the upgraders that today
[00:15:20] of heavy Venezuelan oil, which is the one that is being
[00:15:24] sold the most right now. So when you go to
[00:15:27] explore abroad, you are going to invest, you are
[00:15:31] going to develop some fields in exchange for the oil that is
[00:15:35] in the field, you are paying him, you are paying him by compensation,
[00:15:38] he earns from the oil, of course, he pays taxes, of
[00:15:41] course, it improves productivity, and most importantly, it creates
[00:15:44] the infrastructure that remains there in the end. So it is
[00:15:47] a participation contract, the state partners with the investor,
[00:15:52] pay the investor what it would invest, it says, "Well, collect
[00:15:56] it from oil production." In our case, we have a strategic association
[00:16:00] with PDVSA where we provide services and they pay us in
[00:16:03] crude or product because that way PDVSA's cash flow
[00:16:07] doesn't suffer, that is the best way, if you will, that
[00:16:10] the country has to make investments, pay for them with what we have
[00:16:14] most, which is oil, monetize our oil, and infrastructure
[00:16:17] remains. So, hey, it's a win-win for Venezuela. The
[00:16:21] objective beyond the reserves then the objective is to produce,
[00:16:25] but there's always the focus, if we don't produce, for next
[00:16:29] year Venezuela won't have 2 million barrels of oil,
[00:16:33] which it was supposed to have this year and didn't because
[00:16:37] of everything that happened, it looks very bad for the United
[00:16:41] States with diesel and with the data center. So here the issue
[00:16:45] is that we have a hypermonster with a quarter tank of gas,
[00:16:48] that's the reality, and it's looking for where to fill
[00:16:51] it, and the only place it can do it is in Venezuela.
[00:16:55] So the US government and the interests of the big oil
[00:16:59] companies will do whatever it takes for that to happen. Let
[00:17:02] me give you an example: Chevron signed a contract with Microsoft
[00:17:05] to build a data center in Texas. That data center
[00:17:09] in Texas will consume the natural gas of almost 8 million
[00:17:12] homes. Where are they going to get that gas from? They
[00:17:16] signed with Charles Venezuela because the agreement with Venezuela
[00:17:19] is not only oil, it's also gas, it's gas and petrochemical.
[00:17:22] So where are they going to get the gas from? Where do they get
[00:17:26] it if they don't have it there and what they have is sold to
[00:17:30] Europe? Are they going to raise electricity for residents? There
[00:17:33] have been strong protests from residents against data centers.
[00:17:37] So the problem is more serious for the large American market.
[00:17:41] It's more serious than we think because we're not seeing it,
[00:17:44] but they're suffering from it and they're anticipating an
[00:17:48] energy crisis, and the only salvation, it seems unbelievable,
[00:17:52] and people don't believe it, is Venezuela. If that were
[00:17:55] not the case, Mr. Oscar, that agreement wouldn't be signed.
[00:17:59] We are talking about the president of Elsi having established a
[00:18:02] new model, a new energy model, completely where I have
[00:18:06] the oil, you have the capital, the technology, but there is
[00:18:09] also a third dimension, the relationship with the United
[00:18:12] States is reestablished. It is important, it is very
[00:18:16] important, fundamental because the US government, and
[00:18:20] we have made this observation and sent letters through associations
[00:18:23] to President Trump, to President Biden, asking them to lift
[00:18:27] the sanctions. The sanctions have been the boomerang that
[00:18:30] has affected the US market energetically, and we saw
[00:18:34] that since they took away Citgo. I told you that we
[00:18:38] were suppliers of Citgo with the little we produced, and
[00:18:41] when Citgo disappeared from the market and this scenario of
[00:18:45] the famous interim government began, we in Texas immediately
[00:18:48] felt the blow, and that's what we are seeing today
[00:18:51] as very positive, that it is being recomposed, and hey,
[00:18:55] for us there in the state, we are jubilant, we are celebrating
[00:18:58] this in an impressive way because even if we are not directly
[00:19:02] the contractors, it is Navec, but something always permeates
[00:19:06] to the rest of the teams, and more Texans will come, and
[00:19:10] more people, and it is a matter of breaking the glass once and
[00:19:14] for all. That is, we are already in the operation. The
[00:19:17] government is open with all the phenomena, we have information,
[00:19:20] well, hey, I think it is a very positive thing for
[00:19:24] Venezuela in the coming years. The unilateral coercive
[00:19:27] measures are suspended, or is a repeal
[00:19:30] inevitable? Well, the government is lifting the sanctions by
[00:19:34] license. These licenses create a little instability
[00:19:37] in large investors. No, if Trump lifts the
[00:19:41] coercive measures before November, which are the elections,
[00:19:44] it will obviously have consequences in its... Currently, President
[00:19:48] Trump is speaking to American voters, "We have Venezuela,
[00:19:50] they gave us the oil, we have gasoline, we have
[00:19:54] security." People here in Venezuela believe that they really gave
[00:19:57] it to them, and it's not a his voters there and saying,
[00:20:01] that discourse has confused a lot of people, talking about
[00:20:05] energy dominance, then about expansion,
[00:20:09] duplication of American reserves, it
[00:20:12] will really be like that in the end because he will
[00:20:16] have a contract for a significant amount. But, but the
[00:20:19] question is the following, how do you get it out?
[00:20:22] You have to get it out. And how do you get it out?
[00:20:26] You have to invest in it. So really, really, really,
[00:20:29] President Trump is talking to his constituents, telling
[00:20:33] them, "Calm down." Note this word, "Calm down, my lord,
[00:20:37] don't worry, Venezuela is with us." So I say, he almost
[00:20:40] says, "Venezuela is ours." Well, in Trump's style, of
[00:20:44] course, of course, but the gringo, gringo, gringo, gringo says,
[00:20:48] "Hey, if in Venezuela the language also changes, the
[00:20:51] oil is ours, we want your capital and your..." So
[00:20:55] we are in two political moments in which the two very important
[00:20:59] leaders, President Trump and President Biden, are at the
[00:21:02] same level because interests make them all sit down,
[00:21:06] one to build what you did to it with the blockades,
[00:21:09] and the other to save it from its economic crisis. So how
[00:21:12] do you tell people, "Gentlemen, Venezuela is going to solve
[00:21:15] the problem?" People don't believe it, "No, that can't be,
[00:21:19] brother," but, but observe what is happening.
[00:21:23] So it's an interesting political game because
[00:21:27] in the end, the big winner is Venezuela.
[00:21:30] It's a mix of sovereignty with pragmatism.
[00:21:34] Hey, I'd say it's a mix of sovereignty with pragmatism
[00:21:38] and that the resource really reaches the citizen, really.
[00:21:41] It's not that I'm rich but I have everything buried. I
[00:21:44] have the morocota, I can't take it out. That doesn't
[00:21:47] make sense. I think everyone has bought into that. Here
[00:21:50] the doubt that Venezuelans have is a very, very strong
[00:21:54] thing, which is that they give me what's mine. Mine
[00:21:58] is mine, yours is yours. Like people who have a barrel
[00:22:01] of oil in my house, a little bit of the scheme
[00:22:04] and distrust in the administration, but I say that the administration
[00:22:08] will be run by the private sector, not the public. That
[00:22:12] is, PDVSA will not administer those resources, those resources
[00:22:15] will enter the operation directly by private companies, PDVSA
[00:22:18] will administer the royalty, or in any case, the government
[00:22:22] will administer the royalty, but what does it administer?
[00:22:25] All the social labor growth of the area, which will be
[00:22:29] exponential. I can tell you that
[00:22:32] the lady who sells empanadas at the entrance is very happy.
[00:22:36] She started with a stall and today she has a place.
[00:22:39] The Venezuelan is very sensitive to the oil issue.
[00:22:41] Agreements related to public services can be negotiated,
[00:22:45] even sharing ownership, but with regard to oil,
[00:22:49] it has become ingrained in the Venezuelan culture, in
[00:22:52] our national identity, a kind of fixation that
[00:22:56] oil must be ours, or should be ours, and the
[00:22:59] agreement reinforces it, but at the same time, that is
[00:23:04] that Venezuelans consider oil to be theirs,
[00:23:08] it is part of our identity, our wealth,
[00:23:11] our economy, fundamentally, it also
[00:23:14] tells you that the state alone cannot, but
[00:23:43] laboratories that threaten national stability, but
[00:23:45] please answer me when
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[00:26:52] between Venezuela and the United States also implies
[00:26:56] cultural changes. For Venezuelans today, the
[00:26:59] State alone cannot do it. But private
[00:27:03] companies cannot do it alone nor should they, how to
[00:27:06] explain to Venezuelans that our sovereignty is not at risk
[00:27:09] nor the sovereign control over our fundamental
[00:27:13] wealth, when we still see that the country is besieged
[00:27:16] by disinformation laboratories. Well, the
[00:27:19] Venezuelan has to understand, this new Venezuelan, this new, this new order that we are living today,
[00:27:23] we must understand that the era has totally changed and that
[00:27:27] Venezuela has to monetize its resources to
[00:27:30] translate them into well-being. What has happened is that the
[00:27:34] 72,000 million that have gone to Venezuela in the last 45 or 50 years have been
[00:27:38] squandered in a barbaric way, we are not going to evoke what already happened,
[00:27:41] now sovereignty is intact because the property still belongs to the country and the
[00:27:45] country is not country is doing is
[00:27:49] regularizing what it has underground, investing it in the
[00:27:53] infrastructure it requires, the focus is on producing, that is the
[00:27:56] necessity, that is the center of this
[00:28:00] agreement and this debate, to produce in production.
[00:28:02] and downstream, that is, to the
[00:28:05] derivatives, which is what the world
[00:28:08] really needs, eh, explain
[00:28:11] that to me, when there can be, can the
[00:28:15] danger of a re-edition of rentism arise,
[00:28:19] that is, are there really possibilities for economic
[00:28:22] growth, greater oil production that implies greater
[00:28:26] growth and development for the country or will we
[00:28:30] return to that old stage? Rentism and clientelism, I think it's very dangerous because
[00:28:33] we got used to it since 1958,
[00:28:37] Venezuela exported 2 million, 3 million barrels, sold it for $2, then
[00:28:40] sold it for $50 and the surplus, and we didn't spend it. Then we spent it in
[00:28:44] Miami, oh well, it was cheap. Then came, then came
[00:28:48] this, the other governments, that's how it was, uh, from Carlos Andrés
[00:28:51] onwards until 1998 arrived, President Chávez achieved an important
[00:28:55] agreement in OPEC, oil reached $150,
[00:28:59] we issued the titles. to grow, to increase production, because OPEC has
[00:29:03] always said that Venezuela must be at 100 million barrels by 2030, in
[00:29:07] 2030, 120 million barrels must be produced,
[00:29:10] 105 are produced, right?
[00:29:14] And after all the conflict, we will only reach
[00:29:17] 115, 6 million dollars are needed, part of which is being
[00:29:21] sought in Venezuela to balance consumption, we are talking about balancing consumption,
[00:29:24] so rentism evidently occurred many times because Venezuela received
[00:29:28] that amount of money and distributed it. And people saw
[00:29:31] money without effort, without sacrifice, especially the elites,
[00:29:35] but for God's sake, of course, those great Palestinian
[00:29:38] businessmen, there are 50,000 cases in this regard, so this new stage is
[00:29:44] crisis, we had never been in this crisis,
[00:29:47] we have learned from the crisis like never before,
[00:29:51] a more resilient, hopeful,
[00:29:55] hardworking country, the oil engineer who is in PDVSA
[00:29:59] who went through the oil strike, coup, whatever.
[00:30:03] And today he is vice president of the company or president of the company or the
[00:30:06] Minister of Hydrocarbons who started as an intern and today is
[00:30:09] minister, well, they have lived through all the stages of this oil crisis,
[00:30:13] so the new PDVSA or the new Venezuelan businessman or the new or the
[00:30:17] new, the new one who is growing, uh, in
[00:30:20] the oil business has learned a lot, has taken
[00:30:23] many blows and to top it off, the earthquakes, so
[00:30:27] we are entering a stage of economic growth but with a lot of
[00:30:30] learning, so people know, we have to take care of the private sector, we have
[00:30:34] to take care of sovereignty, it's important, but social development is also important, there is
[00:30:38] a severe electrical problem nationwide that the power goes out for 5-6 hours
[00:30:42] a day, that will improve, it is being worked on, but it will take some time, no,
[00:30:45] because there was also a deficiency in electricity generation, there were acts of
[00:30:48] corruption, there were many things, that is precisely what
[00:30:52] is being reborn in this new, in this new, in this new
[00:30:56] Venezuelan oil order and the new businessman to be a growing
[00:31:00] businessman, look, PDVSA had this problem, Mr.
[00:31:03] Oscar, it grew towards the elite of
[00:31:07] PDVSA, yes, that is, PDVSA was a country
[00:31:09] apart, it was a country apart, in CBG it was
[00:31:12] different, as a city had to be built. It grew towards
[00:31:16] the city and the CBG worker, I was one of
[00:31:20] them, uh, no matter the position he had,
[00:31:23] he enjoyed the same benefits as the managers or the
[00:31:26] presidents, so there was a tacit equality in social
[00:31:30] enjoyments because there was only one church, there was only one
[00:31:33] club, there was only one supermarket, there was only one place, there was only one cinema,
[00:31:37] so everyone had to go to the same cinema, so there was no difference between one and
[00:31:41] the other, in PDVSA it was not like that, PDVSA grew in an
[00:31:45] elitist council of the fields where the higher payroll, the executive
[00:31:49] payroll, practically did not speak to the worker and the salaries
[00:31:52] were incalculable, so that PDVSA no longer exists, this
[00:31:56] new PDVSA is the PDVSA of the crisis, that's why I think these
[00:31:59] agreements and these growths will bring,
[00:32:02] notice that PDVSA never talked about social issues, now it says gentlemen, the
[00:32:05] hospitals, well it started with Chavez,
[00:32:08] so there were many errors, but now in this new one, since we reached a very
[00:32:12] difficult bottom, the growth will be
[00:32:16] consolidated and based on experience, do you think the
[00:32:20] country can then contain, resist the danger
[00:32:23] of a new rentism, eh, no, no, we won't reach rentism
[00:32:27] because of the type of companies that will be working here, no, I think we will reach
[00:32:31] a very soon event called the
[00:32:34] it consists of, tokenization consists of a change in
[00:32:37] guaranteeing
[00:32:40] internacionales, eso es lo que va hacer Trump ahora el 15 de
[00:32:43] septiembre. pero la ley de claridad de la ley de claridad
[00:32:47] claritidad permite que con tus reservas lleves a
[00:32:50] las bolsas internacionales tu reserva petrolera y la logres negociar
[00:32:54] a futuro, esto es una gran venta a futuro lo que hizo
[00:32:58] Venezuela, pero es que no es justo que la reserva más grande del mundo que
[00:33:03] las bolsas de valores, aramco que es una compañía árabe que es la más grande petrolera del mundo
[00:33:07] en este momento que se hizo con capital de pdesa y de
[00:33:10] quebrón coloca todos los años 50,000 millones en la bolsa
[00:33:14] y es ese dinero que lo coloca a futuro lo invierte en su
[00:33:17] operación y están trabajando monetizar la monetizar a través de las riquezas que
[00:33:23] que eso es lo que va pasar en los próximos meses oye acá
[00:33:27] hablamos en términos culturales identitarios también
[00:33:31] las empresas transnacionales han entendido que el foco no está en la propiedad
[00:33:34] sino en la producción es que ellos vienen a
[00:33:37] producir las empresas internacionales no les importa que hacen con la infraestructura por eso hay que
[00:33:41] aprovechar ni con la propiedad del dellos quieren.
[00:33:45] producir, sacar su petróleo, cubrir sus
[00:33:47] deudas, recuperar lo que prepagaron porque están prepagando un
[00:33:51] petróleo y de una manera contundente sigan adelante, mira, yo
[00:33:54] siento que tenemos que evaluar bien lo que se
[00:33:58] dice con respecto a este acuerdo, porque es más va a ser más
[00:34:01] beneficioso de lo que la mismo operadores imaginan,
[00:34:05] cuando empiece la el los desarrollos sociales en esa zona que tienen que
[00:34:08] empezar pues una zona está muy afectada, sea,
[00:34:11] sea, para producir petróleo hay que primero producir una pequeña ciudad,
[00:34:15] que soporte esa producción petrolera entonces ahí están las grandes
[00:34:19] ganancias que va a recibir el oriente del país, entonces me dice un tipo en Valencia,
[00:34:23] pero es que yo no, a mí no, a mí no me beneficien nada, y las metal mecánicas dónde
[00:34:26] están pues, en carabo, hay que hacer tubería, tanque, soldadura,
[00:34:30] dónde sale eso, de carabo y maracay, entonces todo el
[00:34:36] recibir directa o indirectamente el gran beneficio petrolero, a
[00:34:39] corto plazo a mediano plazo, aquí va haber tres etapas, la primera etapa porque el
[00:34:43] venezolano.
[00:34:45] lógicamente ha sufrido mucho también y y
[00:34:49] hay carencias significativas a partir de hoy que a partir de
[00:34:53] miércoles que firmaron los acuerdos que entiendo que están firmando los acuerdos ya lo
[00:34:56] firmaron viene una una fase inicial de preapertura qué
[00:34:59] más bajar los equipos contratar los trabajadores bajar las
[00:35:03] inversiones todo eso empieza ya los movimientos el venezolano empieza a
[00:35:06] ver inmediatamente el movimiento a partir del levantamiento final de la sanción al banco
[00:35:10] central que puede el banco central controlar
[00:35:13] el dólar que el dólar entra al banco central y sea el banco
[00:35:17] central el que distribuye el dólar, no otra vez de que vingan por aquí que llega por
[00:35:20] allá, eso está planteado, eso está planteado, mire e eh cómo
[00:35:24] queda la dolarización que se puso de moda hace un par de
[00:35:27] semanas, cómo queda ese esa propuesta, pero
[00:35:31] respóndeme por favor porque es tema interesante, respóndeme una vez que
[00:36:30] En el área del café hay una oportunidad de negocio, ahí hay nichos
[00:36:33] importantes de negocio, dónde se puede se puede
[00:36:37] direccionar para para hacer buenas cosas por el país, hay que
[00:36:41] apostar por las cosas que el país tiene, ahora van a china, tienen previsto ir hacia
[00:36:45] otros mercados, tienen previsto hacer otro tipo de de
[00:36:48] exportación, ha habido un crecimiento sostenido de más del
[00:36:51] 60% de lo que son las exportaciones de café a por lo
[00:36:55] menos más de 20 destinos en todo el mundo. Mucho de ese café se produce en
[00:36:59] los Andes, en el centro occidente y viene la torrefacción
[00:37:01] acá en Miranda, llevar el café venezolano
[00:37:05] no solamente en el mercado nacional sino mercados
[00:37:17] ya y descubre una nueva forma de
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[00:38:58] Le pregunté al experto petrolero Alejandro
[00:39:01] Terán sobre la dolarización, es posible
[00:39:05] una dolarización en este contexto
[00:39:08] favorable al ingreso en de
[00:39:11] divisas, no, yo creo que no, no, no es posible, ni factible ni
[00:39:15] recomendable, por qué, porque tú vas a liquidar, tú te vas
[00:39:18] a eh flagelar con una moneda la
[00:39:21] cual tú tienes el dólar bajo tierra, sea tú lo que tienes que sacar, sacar
[00:39:25] tu dólar petrolero, colocarlo en el mercado. que te paguen el dólar entonces
[00:39:28] fortalecer tu moneda, esa esa política de la dolarización la aplicó
[00:39:32] Argentina en la caja de conversión famosísima y qué mal le fue, Ecuador, Ecuador le fue
[00:39:36] muy mal también eh, en Panamá se ha mantenido más menos porque
[00:39:39] Panamá es un pueblo muy pequeño y tiene muy poca muy poca
[00:39:43] eh claro prácticamente es una sede de los
[00:39:47] Estados Unidos, pero el resto de los países que han intentado ese
[00:39:50] mecanismo de la caja de conversión que el Domingo Cabalo fue uno de los grandes
[00:39:54] promotores de eso en Argentina pues mira las consecuencias no qué ha pasado. con eso porque
[00:39:58] tú no controlas, tú no puedes entregar tu signo monetario
[00:40:01] a la máquina que no controla, por qué? porque la
[00:40:04] devaluación y los venes, los bibenes
[00:40:07] de de las tasas de cambio te permite pues tener es
[00:40:11] más ingreso, entonces yo siento que eso es una es una posición equivocada
[00:40:15] eh de varias personas y nosotros que venimos de afuera y que estamos
[00:40:18] trabajando aquí nos conviene porque una de las
[00:40:21] grandes ventajas que tiene Venezuela es el bajo costo operativo no, el
[00:40:25] costo operativo aquí está en un promedio
[00:40:28] por barril y en Texas tan 49, entonces hay una
[00:40:32] pequeña diferencia en producir petróleo en Venezuela que producir
[00:40:35] petróleo en otra parte del mundo, entonces un efecto de dolorización en ese
[00:40:38] esquema sería negativo, lo que sí va ocurrir es que Venezuela
[00:40:42] emita su propia criptomonedas muy pronto, para allá vamos,
[00:40:46] si tenemos mayor reserva cómo lo vamos hacer, ahora que falta un
[00:40:49] tiempo convertir todo esa riqueza
[00:40:52] en en papeles que sean negociables y que sean confiables y que tú recibas por
[00:40:56] ahí los lo necesario para incrementar tu producción, es lo que hacen los
[00:41:00] árabes todos los años, sea yo no estoy inventando
[00:41:03] nada, eso ya existe todos los días y dice chebrón firmó
[00:41:07] ayacucho 8, fíjese usted don óscar, chebrón firma ayacucho 8 hace
[00:41:11] un mes o dos meses atrás, eleva su capacidad de
[00:41:14] producción en 46, millones de barriles más en
[00:41:17] reserva, va la bolsa de valores en Nueva
[00:41:20] York, conside el acuerdo, pide una
[00:41:24] liquidación de ganancia y pagó el mejor bono. a sus
[00:41:27] trabajadores en los últimos 50 años y encima agarró
[00:41:30] caja para para meter en Venezuela cierto entonces esas
[00:41:34] son jugadas financieras que nosotros los venezolanos y las
[00:41:38] empresas estamos amarrados. metablemente y tenemos todo el derecho
[00:41:41] hacerlo, estamos, estamos entregando la soberanía no,
[00:41:45] estamos utilizando los recursos que Dios nos dio en beneficio de nuestra gente,
[00:41:49] qué hizo Emiratos Árabes Unidos y qué hizo Arabia Saudita, oye,
[00:41:52] monetizó en el primer año después de la
[00:41:56] conferencia opp en Venezuela $100, millones de dólares, cómo
[00:41:59] se hizo Dubai, Abu Dhabi, claro, de dónde
[00:42:02] salió eso, de su reserva petroleras que todavía la
[00:42:05] tienen, pero la prenegociaron, bueno, eso es lo que
[00:42:09] tenemos que hacer y... quitarnos un poquito las cantamos, porque eso no
[00:42:12] amenaza nuestra soberanía, para nada, porque cómo lo amenazar si tú estás
[00:42:16] haciendo un país completamente, estás vendiendo tu petróleo, te lo están pagando en
[00:42:20] especie y siempre tienes tu rele medio, entonces yo no
[00:42:23] entiendo de qué soberania están hablando y qué se está
[00:42:26] entregando, señor, lo que está, soberanía es bienestar para
[00:42:30] todos los venezolanos, bienestar para las empresas, mejores
[00:42:33] sistema eh hospitalarios en el país, mejores escuelas, aquí me
[00:42:37] dices yo te pregunto, bueno la presidenta lo dijo claramente. tener
[00:42:40] recursos naturales petroleros bajo
[00:42:43] tierra, me lo dijo el presidente de la asamblea también, el presidente de la asamblea de
[00:42:47] qué sirve, exactamente y lo ha dicho todo esa riqueza, pero es
[00:42:51] algo Torohardi dijo, toro hardi, oye excelente, sea,
[00:42:54] torohardi que no es del gobierno, todo lo que dijo en una entrevista,
[00:42:57] a mí me parece muy, hay que tomar unas previsiones, pero espectacular lo que está sucediendo en Venezuela, porque
[00:43:01] él conoce el negocio petrolero, quien no conoce el negocio petrolero,
[00:43:05] evidentemente o que nunca opera un campo o que nunca aprendido un
[00:43:08] taladro no saben lo que está diciendo. Entonces es muy fácil
[00:43:11] hablar al boleo y decir cualquier opinión cuando yo digo
[00:43:15] a los alunos analistas amigos míos que son analistas lo respeto
[00:43:18] mucho pero hay que ver la verdadera realidad de la
[00:43:22] faja del tigre de cantaura de San Diego
[00:43:25] Caurutica de Santomé de Maturín qué nos
[00:43:28] enseña eso nos enseña a aprender que tenemos que de alguna
[00:43:31] manera ser objetivos y y claros en la
[00:43:35] operación que vamos hacer y establecernos a dónde
[00:43:38] vamos cuántas escuelas hacen falta. en Venezuela, el muchacho que están
[00:43:42] international
[00:43:45] currencies, that's what Trump will do now on September 15th.
[00:43:49] But the Clarity Law, the Clarity Law allows you to take your reserves to
[00:43:53] international exchanges, your oil reserves, and negotiate
[00:43:56] them for the future, this is a big future sale that Venezuela
[00:44:00] made, but it's not fair that the largest reserve in the world,
[00:44:03] which is the Venezuelan one, is not on
[00:44:06] the stock markets, Aramco, which is a Saudi Arabian company that is the largest oil company in the world
[00:44:10] right now, which was made with capital from PDVSA and Chevron,
[00:44:14] places 50,000 million on the stock market every
[00:44:18] year and that money, which it places for the future, it invests in its
[00:44:21] operation and they are working to monetize it, to monetize it through the wealth that
[00:44:25] is underground, of course, exactly, that's what will happen in the coming
[00:44:29] months, listen, here we
[00:44:32] also talk in cultural and identity terms,
[00:44:34] transnational companies have understood that the focus is not on ownership
[00:44:38] but on production, they come here to
[00:44:41] produce, international companies don't care what they do with the infrastructure, that's why we have to
[00:44:45] take advantage of it, nor with the ownership, they want
[00:44:49] to produce, extract their oil, cover their
[00:44:52] debts, recover what they prepaid because they are prepaying for
[00:44:55] oil and in a forceful way, go ahead, look, I
[00:44:59] feel that we have to evaluate well what is being
[00:45:02] said regarding this agreement, because it will be more
[00:45:05] beneficial than the operators themselves imagine,
[00:45:09] when the social developments begin in that area, which have to
[00:45:12] start because it's a very affected area, that is,
[00:45:16] to produce oil, you first have to produce a small city
[00:45:20] that supports that oil production, so there are the great
[00:45:24] gains that the east of the country will receive, so a guy in Valencia
[00:45:28] tells me, but I don't, it doesn't benefit me at all, and where are
[00:45:31] the metal mechanics? In Carabobo, you have to make pipes, tanks, welding,
[00:45:34] where does that come from? From Carabobo and Maracay, so everyone
[00:45:37] at the end of the day will receive directly or
[00:45:41] indirectly the great oil benefit, in the short term, in the medium term, there will be
[00:45:44] three stages here, the first stage because the Venezuelan.
[00:45:48] logically has also suffered a lot and there
[00:45:51] are significant shortcomings as of today, as of
[00:45:55] Wednesday when they signed the agreements, which I understand they are signing the agreements, they already
[00:45:58] signed them, there comes an initial phase of pre-opening, what
[00:46:02] else, bring down the equipment, hire workers, bring down
[00:46:05] investments, all that starts now, the movements, the Venezuelan immediately starts to
[00:46:08] see the movement from the final lifting of the sanction on the central
[00:46:12] bank, so that the central bank can control
[00:46:15] the dollar, so that the dollar enters the central bank and the central
[00:46:18] bank distributes the dollar, not through it coming from here and arriving
[00:46:21] there, that is planned, that is planned, look,
[00:46:24] how does dollarization that became fashionable a couple of
[00:46:27] weeks ago, how does that proposal stand, but
[00:46:30] please answer me because it's an interesting topic, answer me once
[00:46:32] we return from the commercials, we'll be right back,
[00:46:36] what's happening in the country,
[00:49:36] also monodependence towards the United States are threats that can
[00:49:42] the nation's life. What do you think,
[00:49:44] Alejandro? No, I don't think it's intended to depend
[00:49:47] exclusively on the United States. We can open up to other
[00:49:51] countries. What's coming to Venezuela is an integral energy
[00:49:55] consolidation that goes from producing oil and
[00:49:58] downstream in oil, what does downstream mean?
[00:50:02] The petrochemicals, gasoline, diesel
[00:50:06] and placing data centers in Venezuela,
[00:50:09] exactly, so I think what we're going for, we're talking about
[00:50:13] the medium term, with foreign investment, private investment,
[00:50:17] you can imagine that Chevron told Microsoft, let's put it
[00:50:20] there in Bolívar State, your data center and it gives me
[00:50:24] 4.3 trillion dollars, 4.3
[00:50:27] trillion dollars, that is, I feel that we are going towards that
[00:50:31] path, we are going towards that monetization of the belt and above
[00:50:34] all we are going towards the new global energy policy that is not
[00:50:38] only oil, it is gas, water and earth elements that are all in
[00:50:41] Venezuela, I feel that is where we are going, but for that
[00:50:44] we need support, a partner to take us, in this case the United
[00:50:48] States, now after that is consolidated it will be the United
[00:50:51] States, it will be. There is a significant deficit in South America, Bolivia didn't have gas left,
[00:50:54] Vaca Muerta is half dead, so how does China
[00:50:58] fit in? Well, China has to get its act together, that's why China just signed an
[00:51:01] agreement with the Iraqis, taking 3
[00:51:04] million barrels from the Iraqis because the Russians and the Ukrainians are fighting, the problem is that
[00:51:08] China currently consumes 11 million barrels and produces
[00:51:11] one, India does not produce
[00:51:14] oil, so the situation for that part
[00:51:17] of the world is complicated and the United States knows it, that's why it closed its doors in Latin
[00:51:21] America, especially in... Venezuela, that is, President Trump what he did was
[00:51:24] to ensure his corn flour for the next empanadas because if the
[00:51:28] empanadas don't arrive, then all that revolves around
[00:51:31] data, because that is the new, the new
[00:51:34] commodity, data, and if you allow me to see the slide that
[00:51:38] we have three slides that I want to comment on with you, the most important, the
[00:51:42] first, not the most important, the first slide is the year, this is
[00:51:45] the Economist magazine in 2017, the Economist magazine
[00:51:49] says the most
[00:51:52] important resource in the world and you observe the oil rigs
[00:51:56] below and the artificial intelligence companies above,
[00:52:00] among them Google, Tesla, Tesla was already envisioned as a
[00:52:05] information controller, no, and it says data, the new rule of
[00:52:09] competition, year 17, we are talking, exactly 9
[00:52:13] years ago if I'm not mistaken, the world can go more than a confrontation,
[00:52:17] a competitiveness, but it is already laid out, so this
[00:52:21] issue is what has come, these are the precursors
[00:52:24] to what we are experiencing, if you show me the
[00:52:27] second, the next one, look year 1960,
[00:52:31] the control of the United States over the rest
[00:52:36] of the planet, year
[00:52:39] influence even within the United States, so that's where the
[00:52:43] second conflict began, the Americans realize that the Chinese
[00:52:46] invaded us everywhere, look at that level of influence, there is a policy of
[00:52:50] containment, they are not trying, they are
[00:52:53] trying, I think that in the end in the next meeting with Xi Jinping they will reach an agreement
[00:52:57] and Xi Jinping already warned him, don't fall into the trap of
[00:53:00] your ideas, yes, he warned
[00:53:03] him. We observe that it is there for
[00:53:06] good how the world
[00:53:09] sees Venezuela, this in the slide is
[00:53:12] fundamental, this is the Department of Energy, sorry, the
[00:53:15] International Energy Agency, in the last conference they say
[00:53:19] this is the situation of the world, the United States, artificial intelligence,
[00:53:22] Japan robbed it, Korea something
[00:53:26] else, Germany, Taiwan, Holland,
[00:53:28] England and South Korea and they say everything these people
[00:53:32] need and China is in the background. In
[00:53:35] Venezuela, so for the energy
[00:53:38] agency, Venezuela is
[00:53:41] strategic for all these countries that are growing in artificial
[00:53:45] intelligence, notice that even Israel returned to Venezuela and came here and sat down
[00:53:48] and helped, so if they are seeing it that way,
[00:53:52] those who are outside, how are we going to
[00:53:56] prepare to receive it, that is the second strategy we have to be
[00:53:59] sufficiently advanced, get rid of a
[00:54:02] few complexes and say, if the world sees
[00:54:06] us that way, how do we make the world enter
[00:54:10] through this hoop, so I think that this slide is a time for
[00:54:14] Venezuela, it's Venezuela's time definitely, if you put another one please
[00:54:17] to say ah, look at this, this is the interconnection in
[00:54:20] money between Texas and Venezuela, year 2014, year
[00:54:24] 25, the last one, in 2014 Venezuela exchanged with
[00:54:28] Texas 42 million them very much but we have
[00:54:31] from Venezuela, see how it kept falling until it reached
[00:54:35] its best moment in 2020 at 1.3 billion dollars and last year at
[00:54:39] 6.7, this year it should rise to
[00:54:43] the United States and Texas have lost in 14 years or
[00:54:47] 10 years of blockade and sanctions, almost
[00:54:49] 500 million dollars, and that affected the American
[00:54:53] reserve, us, so I think these
[00:54:56] agreements are simply recomposing the
[00:54:59] marriage that broke up abruptly and there was no
[00:55:03] proper distribution of assets. That recomposition is also
[00:55:07] happening within the country, never
[00:55:10] before, never before had there been so much consensus
[00:55:14] regarding the economy and oil as there is today in Venezuela,
[00:55:18] yesterday I saw the
[00:55:21] session of the National Assembly, the whole country
[00:55:26] the agreement, in the streets, we are measuring
[00:55:29] now interlace, we are measuring the impact of this
[00:55:32] bilateral agreement. But
[00:55:35] you see a united country, well, in relation to
[00:55:39] the fundamental issue which is the economy, the
[00:55:43] is good is that and also within a context of
[00:55:45] total depoliticalization, it's no longer political
[00:55:49] identities, it's pragmatism, convenience,
[00:55:52] results, I believe that the
[00:55:56] Venezuelan learned, I don't know if the leadership learned
[00:55:58] that it's no use to destroy what
[00:56:02] belongs to everyone, I heard in 2002 people say we
[00:56:06] have to turn off Venalum, imagine that, but what are you saying? We can't
[00:56:09] take it anymore, here the level of madness has been so great, that it has brought
[00:56:13] all these kinds of situations that today, thank God, the crisis
[00:56:17] has united us all, like atomic bombs united the Japanese,
[00:56:21] like it united Europe, like the dead, that is,
[00:56:24] the Spanish sat down before talking and they went
[00:56:28] and then they had to sit down again with 3 million dead, so that has already
[00:56:32] happened in the world, so at this moment we are sitting down with
[00:56:36] all the casualties we have had, with all the loss we have had and with all the crisis
[00:56:40] we have faced, whoever's fault it is, the Japanese, the Japanese did not
[00:56:44] blame Harry Truman or the atomic bomb or the emperor, they
[00:56:47] started to work and in 50 years they did what they did, I think that is what
[00:56:51] is coming to Venezuela, I think nobody wants, nobody wants, nobody
[00:56:54] wants anything else to be talked about than well-being,
[00:56:58] economy and growth and thank God the country understood it, secondly
[00:57:02] there is a political position that is
[00:57:05] pushing in such a way to seek a political change, in Venezuela there
[00:57:09] can be no political change if there is no economic consolidation, and
[00:57:13] that was very clearly stated, the majority of Venezuelans agree, stabilize
[00:57:16] the economy. And then the Secretary of State of the United States told
[00:57:20] a Venezuelan journalist clearly, he said, gentlemen, first we solve the economic
[00:57:24] problem, we solve the institutions and then we go to elections, that's why I've always said that I
[00:57:27] wonder if we'll see each other in 2030 because right now I see that the country
[00:57:31] is focused on a fundamental problem which is well-being before
[00:57:35] getting into political issues, how do you see the country in 2 years, 3
[00:57:38] years from now if this process continues,
[00:57:42] well, if in 2028 we defeat the
[00:57:45] threats, if in 2028 we produce 2 million
[00:57:49] barrels and the people quickly
[00:57:51] see the economic improvement and we control inflation, Venezuela
[00:57:55] will shoot up to become the largest energy center in the world in the next 5
[00:57:59] years, no problem, calmly, corruption is a
[00:58:02] danger in all countries, corruption, whether in the United
[00:58:05] States, I have no idea, in Europe forget it, in Spain everywhere, in Russia everywhere,
[00:58:09] corruption is
[00:58:12] fought when productive systems are improved, where there is
[00:58:15] productive improvement there is no corruption.
[00:58:20] The SENIAT will be digitized, that's the end of it, the end of the VAT problem, take
[00:58:23] off the slide, that's over, thank God, it's called
[00:58:27] the fulfillment of formal duties, well
[00:58:30] the modernity of the state, corruption,
[00:58:33] there will always be, it's an issue and we have to define what corruption would be, looting no,
[00:58:37] but Venezuela has experienced some very unfortunate acts of corruption and well they are
[00:58:43] that, but well I feel that it is part of the crisis we have lived
[00:58:46] through, no. And that corruption has been a fundamental issue, the important thing is that the
[00:58:50] new Venezuelan, the one who is rising now, sees the country in a very
[00:58:54] different way, there is a lot of optimism, a lot of hope, a lot of hope and a lot of
[00:58:58] work, I can tell you that I have traveled through several areas of the country,
[00:59:01] regardless of political identities, there
[00:59:04] is not much of that, at this moment people don't care,
[00:59:08] 86% of the country trusts that the president will reach the Finisterre
[00:59:11] port, in summary sovereignty over
[00:59:15] resources, over our riches.
[00:59:18] Pragmatism over operation and social well-being,
[00:59:21] exactly, well Alejandro, thank you very much for this
[00:59:25] excellent situational analysis, I hope to see you more
[00:59:29] often, as you say, not
[00:59:30] only, to analyze this
[00:59:34] exciting process that the country is experiencing and that I think