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[00:00:02] buy a house, I mean, it's not that much. Go back 5-10 years,
[00:00:05] we could do these things, the retirees, the workers are already gone,
[00:00:09] they especially killed the retirees, but we are alive, we are fighting for our lives,
[00:00:12] how does this nation do it, may Allah help this nation."
[00:00:29] "
[00:00:34] We are on Halk TV, we are on Para Siyaset, we will be with you for 3 hours from 8 to 11,
[00:00:38] we will bring the important developments of the day to your screens
[00:00:41] with our comments. How will we end this week, which agenda
[00:00:45] topics will carry over to the weekend and next week, uh,
[00:00:48] we will talk about today and this week, and the weekend.
[00:00:52] Now, uh, a historical turning point that has been awaited for a long time
[00:00:56] is called, the national solidarity and social integration.
[00:01:00] The law proposal to strengthen it, that is, the framework
[00:01:04] law proposal, has now become its name. The law
[00:01:06] proposal to strengthen national solidarity
[00:01:09] and social integration was submitted
[00:01:12] to the Parliament Speaker's Office with 360
[00:01:16] signatures. AK Party Group Chairman Abdullah Güler
[00:01:19] made a statement, and MHP Group Deputy Chairmen were also
[00:01:23] with him. Now, uh, which
[00:01:26] parties, what voices were heard, what
[00:01:29] statements came, and besides this framework,
[00:01:33] uh, what does this law proposal
[00:01:36] bring at this historical turning point, what are
[00:01:39] the details of this 12-article regulation, uh, we
[00:01:42] will talk about this as much
[00:01:43] In a way, it will also be as we can, we will try to convey it. Now,
[00:01:47] uh, this 12-article framework draft was submitted
[00:01:51] to the Parliament Speaker's Office with 360 signatures. It is expected to come to the Justice Committee
[00:01:55] tomorrow and then be discussed in the General Assembly and become law
[00:01:58] before the parliament goes on recess. Now, uh, after this law is enacted,
[00:02:02] uh, a monitoring,
[00:02:05] presidential, and National Security decision will be published
[00:02:09] in the Official Gazette and the process will begin. First,
[00:02:12] a report and decision will be issued stating that KCK and
[00:02:15] PKK were eliminated, the terrorist organization was eliminated, and weapons
[00:02:19] were laid down. This
[00:02:22] decision, uh, the presidential decision and the National Security Council
[00:02:26] decision will be published in the Official Gazette and the process
[00:02:29] will begin. Applications will be accepted
[00:02:32] within 6 months. There is a 6-month period,
[00:02:36] and this period should not be exceeded. So the law
[00:02:39] was enacted with a time limit. Now, crimes before 2005,
[00:02:43] especially crimes involving aggravated life imprisonment, are not
[00:02:46] covered. This also indicates
[00:02:50] that Öcalan is not covered. A statement is made
[00:02:52] that this law proposal does
[00:02:55] not cover before 2005. So
[00:02:58] what happens afterwards? Those who received sentences of 1
[00:03:02] year or more are excluded from the scope
[00:03:05] of crimes of murder and related
[00:03:08] sexual content. In other words,
[00:03:12] it is stated that some crimes, excluding murder,
[00:03:16] will be excluded from this law.
[00:03:19] In parallel, apart from these crimes,
[00:03:22] those who received sentences under 15 years, and those
[00:03:26] who were sentenced and tried for over 15 years will be monitored
[00:03:30] for 10 years. In the meantime, all those
[00:03:33] investigation files will be suspended, and if they commit any crime,
[00:03:37] they will be excluded from this law, they will be excluded
[00:03:40] from this regulation. Therefore, there will be a monitoring process,
[00:03:44] as far as we understand. Selahattin Demirtaş will benefit
[00:03:48] from this law. The new party's
[00:03:51] Chairman Özgür Özel, first of all, the CHP signed it. The New Way
[00:03:55] Party, the Den Party, Akhur Ittifak partners
[00:03:59] Hüdapar, MHP, AK Party, AK Party and Cumhur Ittifak
[00:04:03] deputies continuously signed this law and
[00:04:06] it was submitted to the Parliament Speaker's Office with 360 signatures. The new party's Chairman
[00:04:10] Özgür Özel said, "Our stance has not changed,
[00:04:13] but there are some
[00:04:17] mistakes, shortcomings, and objections in terms of style and procedure."
[00:04:20] He states that even though their general approach is the same,
[00:04:23] they have raised these objections.
[00:04:26] For example, regulations such as steps
[00:04:30] to ensure democracy, especially the trustee, and the implementation
[00:04:34] of Constitutional Court and ECHR decisions are not included in this law,
[00:04:37] so this leg remained incomplete, he states. At the same time,
[00:04:40] they made us sign a blank paper, the proposal came in a sealed
[00:04:44] envelope, we opened the proposal,
[00:04:47] just as our friends who were members of the commission
[00:04:50] before, our friends working on this issue, were about to make a full
[00:04:53] assessment, the law proposal was submitted
[00:04:57] to the Parliament Speaker's Office, so he conveyed his objections
[00:05:00] about not being able to grasp the content due to such timing and speed.
[00:05:04] In other words, "Although we have objections in terms of procedure and style,
[00:05:07] there is no change in our general approach," says
[00:05:11] the new party's chairman, Özgür Özel. Therefore,
[00:05:14] as of yesterday, we know the content of the 12-article
[00:05:17] law draft, the framework law proposal,
[00:05:20] which will come to the commission tomorrow. The first signatures were given by MHP leader
[00:05:24] Devlet Bahçeli and Parliament Speaker Numan Kurtulmuş.
[00:05:27] Sinan Burhan spoke.
[00:05:31] MHP leader and Chairman Bahçeli,
[00:05:34] uh, said that he didn't attend group meetings and didn't make a statement
[00:05:37] because the President was closely
[00:05:40] following this issue and the Parliament Speaker
[00:05:42] had efforts underway. He said he didn't want to overshadow
[00:05:46] their work and statements, he didn't want to get ahead of them.
[00:05:50] MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli, when signing the first signature,
[00:05:53] also reiterated in his statement
[00:05:57] that Demirtaş should go home and Ahmetler should take office
[00:06:00] and Öcalan should have hope. Let's also convey
[00:06:04] that uh, in this
[00:06:07] process, uh, he was one of the individuals
[00:06:10] who took the biggest responsibility. MHP leader Devlet
[00:06:13] Bahçeli, and when asked about Demirtaş,
[00:06:17] he said he did not visit him but communicates with him through his lawyers.
[00:06:20] He also said that in the past, they worked together under the same
[00:06:24] parliamentary roof. He stated, "Our relationship and dialogue are good."
[00:06:28] He also has different statements.
[00:06:31] We will talk about MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli's statements
[00:06:34] in the headlines regarding this law proposal and process.
[00:06:38] Meanwhile, AK Party Group Chairman
[00:06:41] Abdullah Güler, uh, when asked
[00:06:44] about improving İmralı's conditions, said that
[00:06:47] there is no need for a law for Öcalan to meet
[00:06:51] with journalists and academics,
[00:06:54] and for this meeting traffic to intensify. He said
[00:06:57] that this can be handled with administrative regulations.
[00:07:01] So we understand that visits to İmralı
[00:07:04] by journalists and academics will be more frequent,
[00:07:07] and administrative regulations can be made at this point. However,
[00:07:10] Öcalan is not in this law,
[00:07:14] it does not cover him, this was conveyed
[00:07:17] to you yesterday in the comments and today in the newspapers.
[00:07:21] We will discuss in more detail
[00:07:23] what the law covers, since we learned
[00:07:27] that it does not cover before 2005. But
[00:07:30] we are talking about a process targeting individuals,
[00:07:33] members of a terrorist organization, who have not committed
[00:07:36] certain crimes such as murder
[00:07:39] or sexual crimes, and who have received sentences
[00:07:43] of under 15 years or over 15 years. This process will begin
[00:07:46] when it is confirmed that they have laid down their weapons,
[00:07:50] that the organization has been dismantled, and that they have laid down their weapons.
[00:07:53] We understand with this law
[00:07:56] framework and proposal that applications will be received,
[00:08:00] and in this context, it is a process where releases,
[00:08:04] sentence reductions, or investigations stop.
[00:08:07] It will come to the commission tomorrow, and we will see more
[00:08:10] detailed discussions there.
[00:08:25] we see that it has been exceeded and the process has started. The leader of the İYİ Party,
[00:08:29] Müsavat Dervişoğlu, had a very strong reaction and statements
[00:08:32] regarding the law proposal. Now, the statements
[00:08:35] and the summary of the situation regarding yesterday,
[00:08:39] the summary of the framework law, were like this. Now, let's turn
[00:08:42] to Üsküdar Municipality, we will talk about that too.
[00:08:45] Now, 26 to 27
[00:08:49] against 17, uh, that is,
[00:08:52] CHP had 27, uh, AK Party had 17
[00:08:55] members of the council, and the election of the deputy mayor was held,
[00:08:59] that deputy mayor election was only concluded
[00:09:02] after 4 rounds. We understood that 6 CHP
[00:09:06] members voted for the AK Party candidate at the end of the four rounds of this election.
[00:09:09] With 22 votes against 18
[00:09:13] in the 4th round, no, the signatures are missing, no,
[00:09:16] invalid votes, no, count again, no, we have an objection,
[00:09:19] why do you have an objection, do I have to say,
[00:09:23] I have an objection, uh,
[00:09:26] throughout the day, in the four-round election
[00:09:29] result, with 22 votes
[00:09:33] against 18, Sibel Çetinkaya was elected
[00:09:37] Deputy Mayor of Üsküdar. She said,
[00:09:40] "I am taking this deputy mayorship
[00:09:43] to hand over the duty to the Mayor again."
[00:09:46] Sibel Çetinkaya. AK Party members said, "We will go to court,
[00:09:50] we object." So, in the election result
[00:09:53] that lasted four rounds, with controversial, tense discussions
[00:09:57] between AK Party members who said, "You are taking our rights,
[00:10:01] you are stealing our rights," and CHP members,
[00:10:04] the new party rejoiced. This is another situation.
[00:10:08] We will talk about everything. We are living
[00:10:11] through days where we are facing a very different situation and picture.
[00:10:15] Because what other developments
[00:10:18] are there besides this? Let's open the newspapers
[00:10:21] and see what headlines they have seen
[00:10:24] and what developments they have highlighted. "Great reconciliation
[00:10:28] search, that is,
[00:10:31] the details of the law proposal that will ensure
[00:10:35] national solidarity and social integration
[00:10:38] are reflected in the headlines of almost
[00:10:42] all newspapers today. Therefore,
[00:10:44] uh,
[00:10:46] we see headlines and titles
[00:10:50] explaining what this framework draft
[00:10:53] brings and what it is,
[00:11:12] you the economic headlines. Now, oil
[00:11:15] prices dropped just below $79-80.
[00:11:18] Uh, it was at $79.
[00:11:22] It had risen above $90.
[00:11:25] And we had successive price hikes for diesel and gasoline.
[00:11:29] LPG also had a price hike recently. Then we saw Trump
[00:11:31] say, "I'm starting negotiations with Iran." He said
[00:11:35] he would stop the weapons, look at their situation, and the Strait of Hormuz
[00:11:39] could be opened. He said this was their last chance.
[00:11:42] The weapons stopped, negotiations began. In fact,
[00:11:46] there are signs of a big agreement possibly happening soon.
[00:11:49] US stock markets are soaring, and oil prices suddenly
[00:11:53] dropped by over $10. "Now, when it was rising,
[00:11:57] we saw 82 liras for diesel. When it drops,
[00:11:59] not much changes for us, because there was a discount of over 6 liras,
[00:12:03] this was reflected to us as 1.05 or 1.5 kuruş. Yesterday,
[00:12:07] there was a discount of over 3 liras, almost 4 liras, it was not reflected
[00:12:10] at all. So, as you know, gasoline, diesel, and LPG
[00:12:13] prices are 80 liras, over 80 liras,
[00:12:16] and gasoline prices are between 67
[00:12:20] and 68 liras, LPG is over 33 liras. Nothing
[00:12:24] has changed for us. Therefore, oil prices are falling,
[00:12:27] but we don't really hear about it. What rises
[00:12:31] when oil falls? Gold rises,
[00:12:35] it went above $4250, at one point it approached $4300,
[00:12:38] and while the gram of gold
[00:12:42] was trading around 6000 liras,
[00:12:45] suddenly yesterday it was 6200 liras,
[00:12:48] it rose to 6516 and exceeded
[00:12:51] 6500 liras. We can say
[00:12:54] that there was a rapid increase in the price of gold per gram
[00:12:57] along with gold. There is also a recovery in Bitcoin, but it is quite
[00:13:01] limited, the trend continues
[00:13:04] at low levels there. The dollar-euro parity,
[00:13:07] the euro-dollar parity, is at 1.15 levels, the euro has recovered a bit.
[00:13:11] Uh, the dollar lost strength while gold
[00:13:14] gained strength. We saw downward movements in oil and dollar prices.
[00:13:17] For us, it's 47.60
[00:13:20] dollar-TL, and Euro-TL. There's also a horizontal
[00:13:24] trend in the stock market. Let's see uh, especially whether the American
[00:13:27] stock markets' exuberance will be joined
[00:13:31] by our Borsa Istanbul. We will
[00:13:34] monitor it. Meanwhile, regarding the economy,
[00:13:37] what will happen to our natural gas bills in the winter?
[00:13:41] We have important information for you on these points.
[00:13:45] We will prepare you for winter today. What is the situation
[00:13:48] in the market? What prices have increased, what prices are not falling, we will talk
[00:13:51] about those too. You can see that gasoline and diesel
[00:13:53] are not falling. Uh, we switched
[00:13:57] to tiered billing for natural gas, so when our bills increase in winter months,
[00:14:01] many more people
[00:14:04] may pay twice as much. I will explain
[00:14:07] this to you with examples in these time slots.
[00:14:10] It was said that 12% of residential
[00:14:13] subscribers would be affected, but it is commented
[00:14:16] that 35-40%, that is, nearly half of the country,
[00:14:20] could be affected by this tiered natural gas price increase.
[00:14:23] We will also convey to you
[00:14:27] notes on what we will experience and see in the winter months.
[00:14:30] While some people are buying luxury watches and spending 9.5 billion liras,
[00:14:33] 80% of the country is wondering how they will pay
[00:14:36] their natural gas bills while their salaries are eroding.
[00:14:40] We will elaborate and discuss all of this. Let's take
[00:14:44] a look at today's newspapers. Turkey will succeed,
[00:14:48] uh, so the process of a Turkey without terror and the complete eradication of terror,
[00:14:51] the dismantling of the terrorist organization, the laying down of weapons,
[00:14:55] and then the events that occurred, Hürriyet Newspaper
[00:14:58] says today, "Turkey will succeed," the President says, "May it bring good fortune,"
[00:15:01] uh, this law is a historical
[00:15:05] step, a beginning. Statements from the Den
[00:15:07] Party, the keys to the new era
[00:15:11] were given on the front page of all newspapers,
[00:15:14] uh, it is called a historical turning point, a historical
[00:15:18] opportunity. We use WhatsApp the most,
[00:15:21] while Cumhuriyet Newspaper says it's a process full of uncertainties.
[00:15:27] Today's headline is about what the uncertainties might be,
[00:15:30] and it followed this issue. Uh, everyone in the assassination
[00:15:33] team was a FETO member. Burkay Karatepe
[00:15:36] was the last fugitive of the assassination
[00:15:40] team against President Erdoğan in Marmaris, all of them were caught, he was a fugitive.
[00:15:43] Uh, this terrorist FETO member
[00:15:47] was wanted for approximately 10 years and was caught. He was captured
[00:15:50] as a result of intense surveillance between Afyonkarahisar
[00:15:54] and Eskişehir and was caught using an eye recognition system
[00:15:57] developed and used by MIT. Therefore,
[00:16:01] it is stated that he wanted to benefit from effective repentance. At the same
[00:16:04] time, he states that they received instructions
[00:16:08] to bring President Erdoğan to the place they designated,
[00:16:11] and that everyone there
[00:16:14] was a FETO member. In other words,
[00:16:17] his statements contain very important
[00:16:20] details about the FETO Gulenist terrorist organization.
[00:16:24] Today's headlines also include
[00:16:27] the statements of Burkay Karatepe,
[00:16:30] the captured FETO terrorist. What will the brotherhood
[00:16:33] agreement bring with this law?
[00:16:36] This was in the headlines of all newspapers. "The first stage of the process
[00:16:39] is amnesty," says Birgün newspaper. "The most critical stage in the process,"
[00:16:43] says Karar newspaper. As you can see, these developments
[00:16:46] and this law proposal are in all headlines.
[00:16:50] And also, a young woman was killed
[00:16:54] by her ex-boyfriend who she had broken up with. This man had previously
[00:16:57] stabbed his girlfriend,
[00:17:00] received a sentence, but was released. He had
[00:17:03] a restraining order, and he still killed
[00:17:07] that young woman. He was obsessed, he wanted to do it, he stabbed her,
[00:17:11] he was released and he did it again. Everyone is still asking
[00:17:15] why he was released, why measures were not taken.
[00:19:27] Afşin Hatipoğlu, lawyer.
[00:19:31] for 3 hours, we will try
[00:20:24] while you were away, those who joined the AK Party,
[00:20:27] those imprisoned in Çorlu Type K prison,
[00:20:31] uh, mayors who were detained,
[00:20:34] arrested, uh, well,
[00:20:38] the details that were spread around, Özgür Özel gaining
[00:20:41] the title of the politician with the most dossiers
[00:20:44] with 61 dossiers.
[00:20:46] Alir Başarır. He says, for example,
[00:20:50] "we submit a petition," he says, "you know it better,"
[00:20:53] I couldn't articulate it properly there, so I didn't explain it.
[00:20:57] He says, "we submit a petition to learn the subject of this dossier,"
[00:21:00] he says, "we wait, but it's not given to us." Then he says,
[00:21:04] "you open the televisions, you open the newspapers,
[00:21:07] you see all the details of the dossier." He says, "what kind of work is this?"
[00:21:11] He asks, "how does this happen?" for example,
[00:21:13] or he is detained, we see some messages,
[00:21:17] are they true or not? For example, Murat Bakan says
[00:21:21] that these messages about the Menderes Mayor, about İlkay,
[00:21:25] are not true messages, he says we don't accept them.
[00:21:28] But those messages are spread everywhere
[00:21:31] and we are criticized for not reading them. Should those messages be read
[00:21:34] on TV? I saw those who criticize,
[00:21:37] they are not people I will take seriously, but if
[00:21:40] they are going to share them, for example, are those messages
[00:21:43] in the detention of the Çankaya Mayor? Are
[00:21:47] those messages in the detention of Mr. Ekrem?
[00:22:02] How does a man's private life concern me? I am discussing the legal
[00:22:05] composition here. Besides, were the evidence shared
[00:22:09] through legal channels or outside of law? Is it real or not?
[00:22:12] If you pass a law on political ethics, I can't go
[00:22:16] into that. I mean,
[00:22:19] we are explaining it, we are talking about so many things,
[00:22:23] and that person timed it for the commercial break and shared it,
[00:22:26] and is attacking us from there. Meanwhile, the first
[00:22:29] operation against the new party is being carried out, Manisa Provincial
[00:22:33] Chairman İksen Özalper was detained. Uh, such a development
[00:22:36] also happened yesterday. Could you also tell me about this
[00:22:40] development? What is this? Uh, Manisa Provincial Chairman İksen Özalper.
[00:22:43] I don't know the news about the first operation against the new party. I mean,
[00:22:47] I heard the news, but I don't know why they detained him.
[00:22:50] If there is any news, uh,
[00:22:53] Dincher has it. CHP's Dincher
[00:22:56] uh, I don't know the subject. So,
[00:23:00] they started the operation? No, and it's interesting, there's news about him in many places,
[00:23:04] that the provincial chairman was dismissed, but there's no content about what happened.
[00:23:07] So, is it somehow related to the municipal
[00:23:10] investigations and prosecutions, yes, parallel to that,
[00:23:14] something like that, or a certain project,
[00:23:17] whatever, we'll look into it. It's within the scope of a bribery investigation.
[00:23:21] Bribery.
[00:23:23] No, he's a provincial chairman, that's not a very official position, is it?
[00:23:27] It's not a, you know, a public
[00:23:30] or, you know, a state administrative duty.
[00:23:34] The provincial chairman is a civil politician.
[00:23:37] I mean, not in the sense of being a provincial chairman,
[00:23:40] but I guess if there are allegations against him, they detained him for that. Maybe
[00:23:44] he was also the CHP provincial chairman in the previous period, I wonder.
[00:23:47] Ebru Hanım, now he is the new party's provincial chairman.
[00:23:58] The thing is, yes, the allegation of bribery
[00:24:01] was part of an investigation carried out in Ankara, yes.
[00:24:05] So, because the municipality in Manisa is a CHP municipality,
[00:24:09] it's probably something like acting as a catalyst
[00:24:11] or an intermediary between the contractors working
[00:24:15] for the municipality and the municipality itself.
[00:24:20] Dinçer says it also has a symbolic aspect. He says İksen Özalper,
[00:24:23] the provincial chairman of Manisa, is Özgür Özel's childhood
[00:24:26] friend. Anyway,
[00:24:29] Veli Ağbaba, the new party's Malatya
[00:24:33] deputy, says, "If I have an HTS record, I am ready to be executed."
[00:24:36] He has not undertaken any administrative role
[00:24:40] in the new period in the councils.
[00:24:43] If there are HTS and base records
[00:24:47] of my advisor or myself, I am ready
[00:24:50] to be executed, he says. That's an incomplete statement.
[00:24:54] He says, "I and my family did not receive any tenders from the public." So if
[00:24:58] there is such a thing, let's say theoretically, I paid attention even to my HTS records,
[00:25:02] so if there is, I am ready to be executed. I mean, you would say he is Allah's
[00:25:05] dishonorable, you would say he is a scoundrel if anyone proves I received it.
[00:25:09] I wrote that down. If you find my notes, I'll
[00:25:12] commit suicide. So, I'm willing to be executed, he says. Anyway,
[00:25:20] careful, you don't have a record of that," what will happen? Will it be like that?
[00:25:24] I interpreted it as you won't find such a document
[00:25:28] about me, it doesn't exist. Of course, say something comprehensive, for example, "Such a thing
[00:25:32] has never happened, those who claim this are dishonorable," say something like that.
[00:25:35] It's necessary to say something comprehensive.
[00:25:38] Right? They should discuss legal
[00:25:42] matters within the legal framework and, if they have the right to defend themselves
[00:25:46] in this regard, of course, towards such accusations. Unfortunately,
[00:25:55] they fall into this trap.
[00:25:58] AK Party and its supporters
[00:26:01] are constantly trying to drag you into a
[00:26:04] personal space, into private
[00:26:08] life, into personal feelings.
[00:26:11] They want to evaluate issues
[00:26:14] from these perspectives and constantly
[00:26:17] act against your
[00:26:20] person. It's important not to fall into this trap. If there's
[00:26:24] a concrete accusation against you, you answer it with concrete
[00:26:28] evidence. You act in this manner.
[00:26:30] There's no need for anyone to die
[00:26:34] or be hanged because of an accusation.
[00:26:37] They reject expressing themselves in this way.
[00:26:40] It's a very emotional, romantic situation.
[00:26:44] Let's talk about Üsküdar, then move on to the bill. It was very strange.
[00:26:48] Üsküdar went back and forth, back and forth, then
[00:26:51] it stayed with the new party, I guess
[00:26:55] it's with the CHP now. We say it stayed with the CHP, it was
[00:26:58] discussed with much emotion, meaning those who are
[00:27:01] with the AK Party. The name given,
[00:27:05] the name nominated against them. Their
[00:27:08] situation, the way votes were cast, for example, this guy with glasses
[00:27:12] is the AK Party candidate, as far as I can see.
[00:27:14] And the other
[00:27:17] lady, the CHP candidate.
[00:27:21] There was a situation regarding a name being written down and so on.
[00:27:25] But it's very interesting, the municipal council members
[00:27:33] in proper Turkish on the ballot.
[00:27:36] It's very interesting,
[00:27:39] it's very strange. They just have to write a name and surname.
[00:27:43] Either they write Ebru Baki or they can't write Ebru Baki, is that why
[00:27:47] one of them was deemed invalid? One of them was deemed invalid
[00:27:50] from such a discussion.
[00:27:53] One of them wrote "Ibrahim" for example, they showed me. They wrote a name that has nothing
[00:27:57] to do with that name. For example, you're a municipal council member
[00:28:01] in Üsküdar. How can you not write your name and surname
[00:28:04] in a complete form on a ballot?
[00:28:08] I don't understand, it's very strange. There's no education limit
[00:28:11] for council membership. Even if someone has only finished
[00:28:15] primary school. You just have to
[00:28:17] write your name
[00:28:19] and surname, they're not asking you to write a composition.
[00:28:23] Writing it hastily while writing your candidate is something else. But
[00:28:27] what's interesting there is that people, I think,
[00:28:30] we often encounter people who can write their names and surnames
[00:28:33] correctly, and of course, it's a very serious matter.
[00:28:36] In fact, it's a serious matter for Afşin Messul too, but what's interesting here is that
[00:28:40] in the first and second rounds, there are 26 council members,
[00:28:43] if I remember correctly, of the CHP in Üsküdar. 26, yes.
[00:28:46] 27 to 27 to 17.
[00:28:50] It was 17 to 27. Now,
[00:28:53] there, for example, in the 3rd round, it drops
[00:28:56] to 21. It drops to 21 for
[00:28:59] the Republican People's Party.
[00:29:02] 18 votes go to the AK Party candidate, the Justice and Development
[00:29:06] Party. However, 5 votes of the Justice and Development Party
[00:29:08] are not accepted, not counted.
[00:29:12] So if they were counted, it would end 23-21 or something. So we're talking about
[00:29:16] a district held by
[00:29:17] the CHP.
[00:29:20] Yes, in the 4th round, in 4 rounds,
[00:29:23] it changes again. What happened there? Now, we need to
[00:29:27] question this ebb and flow of events. What's happening?
[00:29:30] Why did you do this? Did you seriously consider something? Did you want
[00:29:34] the Justice and Development Party to win? I mean, there's a
[00:29:38] strange situation, it's very strange,
[00:29:40] it's a very
[00:29:41] strange situation. When discipline
[00:29:45] is lost, such
[00:29:48] deviations are completely normal. Right now, are the council
[00:29:52] members there CHP members, independents,
[00:29:55] or new party members? It's not
[00:29:56] clear.
[00:30:00] They all turned out to be CHP members. True. I mean, in 2024,
[00:30:03] they all came out as CHP members from the ballot box, but right now,
[00:30:06] there's no organizational or institutional discipline over them.
[00:30:10] Now, when there's no organizational or institutional discipline in a
[00:30:13] political party, individual attitudes emerge,
[00:30:16] and group decisions and group practices
[00:30:19] disappear. Now, the entire incident
[00:30:23] that happened in Üsküdar is related to the disappearance of
[00:30:26] organizational discipline. Later,
[00:30:30] Özgür Çelik, I think, with his friends,
[00:30:33] took control of the situation and cleared the ball
[00:30:36] from the goal, and they won the municipality again. But it's clear
[00:30:40] there was a deviation, because it's not just one or two votes.
[00:30:43] When you look at it relatively, there was a change
[00:30:47] in approximately 20% of the council members.
[00:30:50] It's a very big change. Now, this is not
[00:30:54] a normal deviation. For example, one person might be okay, two people
[00:30:56] might be okay, let's say, but here, it's as if
[00:31:00] 5-6 people switched sides. Now, if we were to give a microphone
[00:31:03] to these council members today, "Are you with the CHP,
[00:31:07] that is, with Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, are you
[00:31:09] independent, or are you with Özgür Bey?"
[00:31:13] they would have to answer such a question. Now, when such
[00:31:17] organizational discipline disappears, this situation is very normal.
[00:31:20] Probably, just like they did in Bayrampaşa,
[00:31:23] the AK Party members will take Üsküdar to court,
[00:31:27] and they will try to get a decision from there. Will they succeed or not?
[00:31:31] We'll see. Of course, there are different
[00:31:34] discussions. I mean, even among themselves, there's no
[00:31:38] unity, that is, those council members have
[00:31:42] disagreements among themselves.
[00:31:51] on a principled basis, unique to Turkey. Now, for example,
[00:31:55] it's clear that there's no proper organizational discipline, no hierarchical
[00:31:58] structure from top to bottom for an organization, no drawing of a perspective,
[00:32:02] and no adherence to this discipline. These dynamics are clearly
[00:32:06] absent. But on the other hand, are threats and blackmail at play?
[00:32:09] We need to look into this. Or in the third
[00:32:12] item, I don't know, an offer of gain. Whatever
[00:32:16] the case may be, in the former Republican People's Party, in Kılıçdaroğlu's
[00:32:19] CHP, that is, Kılıçdaroğlu's Republican People's Party, they should remain loyal
[00:32:23] to it, or if it's a new party, let it be. The Republican People's Party,
[00:32:27] which you were once under the same roof with, has won
[00:32:30] here. Or if we read it in reverse, at least the Justice and
[00:32:34] Development Party has not won.
[00:32:36] With what parameters do you want to
[00:32:40] give a district that the Justice and Development Party has not won
[00:32:44] back to the Justice and Development Party? "For example, if
[00:32:47] there was such a tendency in the 4th round after the 3rd round,
[00:32:51] and 5 votes were not cancelled, would you have been okay with this?
[00:32:54] I mean, a district that the people did not favor, did not vote for,
[00:32:57] would you find it ethically correct to take it and give it back
[00:33:01] to the Justice and Development Party just because you were divided?
[00:33:04] Do you politically stomach this? Do you reinforce this in a way
[00:33:08] that can be accounted for to the people of Üsküdar? These
[00:33:11] questions need to be asked." The president is also in custody. But
[00:33:15] do these friends have this in a table
[00:33:18] format? If you could project it, something interesting caught my attention there.
[00:33:22] The first round, second round, third round, it goes to four,
[00:33:25] right? If we put those rounds' votes, there's an interesting
[00:33:28] situation. Now, when you said it,
[00:33:32] it came to my mind when I saw that table yesterday. Okay,
[00:33:35] the municipal council members seem to change their position in the 3rd
[00:33:39] round, but then they come back again.
[00:33:42] That's also a strange situation. So, "Are you saying
[00:33:46] there was an intervention that made them change their votes?" No,
[00:33:49] now, if there's a prospect of personal gain here, what happened? Did it retract?
[00:33:53] What happened in two rounds? What happened to those people? Now,
[00:33:56] such a prospect of personal gain or a threat, there's such an implication,
[00:34:00] right? I mean, in Özgür Çelik's statements, he says that the AK
[00:34:03] Party, through all sorts of dirty deals, influenced the will
[00:34:07] of our council members.
[00:34:10] He says, "Okay, Özgür Çelik went, then Özgür
[00:34:13] Çelik went to Tuzla and so on." The influence happened in the third round, and they came back
[00:34:17] in the fourth. So did the AK Party retract its threats,
[00:34:21] in quotation marks, or promises? That's also
[00:34:24] very interesting, of course. But I don't know about the other thing. I completely
[00:34:28] agree with what you said about politics. They look at it as, "Let the party
[00:34:32] be mine, no matter what." There's no such thing as principled political virtue,
[00:34:35] but there's also a strange situation mathematically.
[00:34:39] It was a change, that's why I brought up this topic
[00:34:42] anyway. A very strange election. How
[00:34:46] should we define it? The person is not even in the new party. CHP,
[00:34:49] that is, Ms. Sinem's
[00:34:51] supporters or Ms. Sinem's friends
[00:34:55] go in 1-2, come back in 3, and come back
[00:34:59] in 4. So what happened there? Now, if the
[00:35:03] AK Party threatened and promised personal gain, did it retract
[00:35:06] the threat and personal gain?
[00:35:09] I mean, there's also such a possibility. For example, how many of them are currently with the Republican
[00:35:12] People's Party, and how many went to the new party? For example, I don't know if those five people
[00:35:16] are with the Republican People's Party. The ones who are,
[00:35:19] look, you can't express anything. You still need us. To make a
[00:35:23] show of strength, a reaction to the lady
[00:35:27] who was nominated, or a message to Özgür Çelik
[00:35:30] in the sense of, "See our power, when we change
[00:35:34] sides, we have the power to influence
[00:35:38] the fate of this place." Was it to send this message that
[00:35:41] there was such a wobble for one round?
[00:35:50] Did they want to send a message like, "If we act like this, we can cause trouble for you"? But it was 27 to 17, and in the end,
[00:35:54] it was won with 22 to 18.
[00:35:56] So there's still a difference there. In the third round, it was 21,
[00:36:00] 21, it was heading towards a tie.
[00:36:03] Then in the 4th round,
[00:36:07] with one vote, no, in the 3rd round, 5 votes of the Justice and Development Party
[00:36:11] were cancelled. If they hadn't been cancelled, they would have taken
[00:36:14] it. They would have taken it in the third round anyway. I think,
[00:36:18] if I remember correctly, I need to check again. There is something. But
[00:36:22] I hope we don't experience this in the future.
[00:36:25] I mean, tomorrow or the day after,
[00:36:28] "If something like this happens in the IBB
[00:36:29] council, this is their preparation for it.
[00:36:33] If Mr. Ekrem İmamoğlu faces a political
[00:36:37] ban, then his
[00:36:40] mayorship will fall. Since his mayorship has fallen, there won't be a deputy mayor,
[00:36:43] but a mayoral election will be held. At that point,
[00:36:47] if the current municipal council members, that is,
[00:36:51] the Metropolitan Municipality Council members, are to be elected
[00:36:54] or something, I hope such a thing doesn't happen,
[00:36:57] but if it does, then it will be the scene of great discussions
[00:37:01] and conflicts. One of the closest cases to be concluded is
[00:37:04] the "fool" case. The "fool" case seems to be
[00:37:08] three and a half years long. If a political ban comes from the "fool" case,
[00:37:11] the local elections in 25, that is,
[00:37:15] right in the middle of the road, can change. Let them check, there's a difference of about
[00:37:18] 13-14, I guess. Where? The Metropolitan
[00:37:21] Municipality says 10. I remember it as a bit more than 10, like
[00:37:25] 13-14. Yes. When the political ban comes,
[00:37:29] I remember it as 10 and above. That's a very dangerous difference, especially
[00:37:33] for the Republic.
[00:37:36] It can be lost, I mean, there's such a possibility. The CHP dropped to 157,
[00:37:39] the AK Party rose to 138. So
[00:37:42] they say it's a 10-point difference, but there's a slightly larger difference.
[00:37:45] If a political ban comes,
[00:37:48] this council majority could pass to the AK Party, the People's Alliance, they say.
[00:37:52] I remember it as 157 to 138 for
[00:37:56] the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality.
[00:37:58] Yes, now, in the first round, as you said, in Üsküdar,
[00:38:02] 44 people voted, one blank vote came out.
[00:38:06] The CHP candidate gets 27 votes, the AK Party candidate gets 16 votes. The majority
[00:38:10] is not secured, it continues. This happened in our time zone anyway.
[00:38:14] Gamze Altunay reported it. Then one of the CHP candidate's votes
[00:38:17] is declared invalid. They get 26 votes, so
[00:38:20] 26 to 16. Yes, it goes to the second round.
[00:38:24] The CHP gets 26 votes, the AK Party gets 16. Two are declared invalid.
[00:38:28] Yes. In the third
[00:38:32] round, the AK Party's votes increase.
[00:38:34] 21 for CHP, 18 for AK Party. They say 5 votes are invalid. Then
[00:38:38] the invalid votes are a conscious choice anyway. Five people
[00:38:42] at the same time, yes, they make it invalid. That's a show
[00:38:46] of strength. Those five people are doing this
[00:38:49] to show themselves to Özgür Çelik and the administration there. This is very
[00:38:52] clear. Politically, we need to interpret it this way. He says, "If we wanted,
[00:38:56] look, those five could be added to the other side." If they wanted,
[00:39:00] 23 would pass, right? I mean, look,
[00:39:04] he says, "If these weren't invalid, and we gave them to the AK Party,
[00:39:07] of course, it would be 23 to 21, it would pass." This is a message
[00:39:10] given to Özgür Çelik and the administration, as far as I understand.
[00:39:14] They write it to the AK Party candidate, but they write it in a way that will be deemed invalid.
[00:39:18] It doesn't allow it to go to the target, but
[00:39:22] whatever discussion they have among themselves,
[00:39:25] your rhetoric and actions.
[00:39:31] It's a very clear message. This is very clear. Now, let's be realistic,
[00:39:35] Ebru Hanım, these five people don't give it mathematically.
[00:39:38] If they gave it, the AK Party would have won already. Exactly, they don't give it. But you
[00:39:41] can't make such an accusation against these people.
[00:39:45] Those five invalid ones, if they were for personal gain, then
[00:39:48] they would have given it to this side. No, then the newspaper reports
[00:39:52] are not very accurate. 5 CHP members voted for
[00:39:55] the AK Party. 6 CHP members
[00:39:57] didn't vote, they cast invalid votes. They gave a message, and the invalid ones, I think,
[00:40:01] were a message to the party administration, very clear.
[00:40:04] That's how it is in politics. Exactly. Then,
[00:40:08] of course, objections intensify there.
[00:40:10] The third round turns into such an incredible uproar. Then
[00:40:14] the 4th round begins. And
[00:40:17] then, with 19,
[00:40:20] this 22 to 18, the CHP.
[00:40:24] I calculate that people did this in the third round. The votes didn't result in any malice, no, they didn't even vote, they cast invalid votes. Let's correct that, so they gave a stance, yes, a message. Exactly.
[00:40:50] I wonder if it's with the newly elected deputy mayor or something else?
[00:40:53] Since we don't know what's inside them,
[00:40:57] it means there's a... but the AK Party says they'll go to court.
[00:41:00] Now, this will go to court, but in Bayrampaşa, it was a neck and neck race.
[00:41:04] There were a couple of other things there. Even if it goes to court, it won't change hands
[00:41:08] by court order. At most, they'll say it should be re-held.
[00:41:11] Even if it's re-held, as long as this will is here, the will of the people of Üsküdar is still
[00:41:15] with the CHP. After all, the council majority, and then they draw lots,
[00:41:19] they go to a draw. We need to consider the will of the voters too.
[00:41:22] It won't work by saying it passed to the party or something, because
[00:41:26] the difference is not 1, not 2. With how many votes
[00:41:29] did they win there? 22-18, meaning they won by 4
[00:41:33] votes. For example, let's say such a vote was considered valid,
[00:41:36] and it shifted to this side. Still, something changes because
[00:41:40] the election is not a one-vote difference. In election
[00:41:44] objections, judges pay close attention to that. For example, we discussed that
[00:41:47] in the nullification decision. How many
[00:41:50] people's will was invalidated? One, two, or three? You don't write it in the decision.
[00:41:54] Was it invalidated in the first round or in the second round?
[00:41:58] You don't write this. Who took bribes?
[00:42:02] Who went to the nightclub? You don't write these. You haven't
[00:42:05] written any names or numbers. You haven't
[00:42:08] converted it into a concrete document.
[00:42:12] What's the issue here? It was nullified. Okay, but who are these people? Who
[00:42:15] took the money? Hasan, Ahmet, or Zeynep?
[00:42:19] Where did they take it? How many people changing their votes
[00:42:22] would affect it? Now, in decisions related
[00:42:25] to politics, in party decisions, courts always
[00:42:29] act on the principle of whether it changes the general will or not.
[00:42:32] That's why we don't know what decision
[00:42:35] the judge will make regarding Üsküdar. But even if they make a decision,
[00:42:39] it will be a decision related to re-holding the election at most.
[00:42:42] Otherwise, it won't be a decision to change hands. How important this was
[00:42:46] in the period between 2019
[00:42:49] and 2024, it happened in the municipality
[00:42:52] that was supposed to serve, or was expected to serve,
[00:42:55] in the Menemen district of İzmir. Do you remember that, Ebru Baki?
[00:42:59] In Menemen, the Justice and Development Party's vote
[00:43:02] was low, and then the Good Party's, was it 3 or 5?
[00:43:06] I don't remember exactly, Professor. Now, Menemen also,
[00:43:22] came out equal. It was drawn by lot
[00:43:25] in the presence of the district governor and so on. The Republican People's Party came out. They objected again.
[00:43:29] The İzmir Deputy Governor came and said, "I will draw the bag." The Justice and
[00:43:32] Development Party came out. They gave it to the Justice and Development Party. That's what happened
[00:43:35] in Menemen. So these are very important developments.
[00:43:39] As you said, they also make us wonder about the IBB
[00:43:43] council and its aftermath. Of course,
[00:43:46] such an atmosphere is also created, such a message is also tried to be given.
[00:43:50] They are hearing the footsteps of that. In the discussion about immunity, for example,
[00:43:53] if such a thing happened in the reports, it would be a very strange situation,
[00:43:57] but if the metropolitan municipality, as Afşin Bey said earlier,
[00:44:01] if it escalates, if it receives such a penalty as a re-election,
[00:44:04] then the closest one to receive it. It will be very tense because it's very close.
[00:44:08] Üsküdar was also tense,
[00:44:16] that's why we wanted to open a topic for so much
[00:44:19] detail. The bill on a Turkey free of terrorism
[00:44:22] during the process is called the bill for national
[00:44:26] solidarity and social integration.
[00:44:30] AK Party Group Leader Abdullah Güler announced that
[00:44:33] they submitted the bill to parliament with nearly 360 signatures.
[00:44:37] Let's start from here. 360 signatures,
[00:44:40] which party, how did they support it, what happened,
[00:44:44] what will the new party do? The CHP signed, the New Path Party signed.
[00:44:48] HÜDA PAR signed. Of course, the People's Alliance
[00:44:51] signed it with all its members of parliament without interruption,
[00:44:55] and the first to sign were MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli and Parliament Speaker
[00:44:59] Nurman Kurtulmuş. It was submitted to the Parliament Speaker's Office. Submitted.
[00:45:02] Now, let's start from here.
[00:45:06] I want to leave my political interpretation
[00:45:11] of this for later at this stage, because there are very serious problems
[00:45:14] in terms of legal technique here. All my comments and
[00:45:18] explanations will be within the scope of law and in terms
[00:45:21] of law-making technique, under the heading of the Constitution
[00:45:24] and the Turkish Penal Code. I would like
[00:45:27] them to be evaluated as such, and I will express them
[00:45:31] in that way. So, political
[00:45:33] interpretations can be made in every way, and they should be made.
[00:45:37] Ultimately, the purpose of this law is to achieve
[00:45:40] political goals. Knowing this, I will leave
[00:45:44] this for later, because the legal part is, in my opinion, a disaster.
[00:45:47] That is, this law, in terms of
[00:45:50] legal technique, is a law that should not have been written,
[00:45:54] and its writing should not have been in this manner.
[00:45:57] I am frankly in disbelief as to how they wrote this.
[00:46:01] So, yes, politically you took
[00:46:03] a stance. From Apo,
[00:46:06] from the Dem Party, from the PKK, and so on, you opened such a topic.
[00:46:10] You defined a problem here, and you want to solve
[00:46:14] this problem. Naturally, you need a law to solve it.
[00:46:17] You are drafting this law. When
[00:46:20] you move this pen,
[00:46:23] when you use this ink, you establish
[00:46:27] legal concepts, reasoning, and analytical logic
[00:46:30] in such a way that you draw it like a pen,
[00:46:34] and people, without seeing any gaps,
[00:46:38] understand that your desired outcome will be achieved.
[00:46:41] But this law, this 12-article
[00:46:44] law brings contradictions
[00:46:47] over 12 articles. There are very
[00:46:50] serious doubts about how this law will be applied.
[00:46:53] This is very clear. Let's start, for example,
[00:46:57] let me say briefly. Let me say briefly. It's not very long anyway,
[00:47:01] but the public needs to know this, Ebru Hanım.
[00:47:04] Since something is intended to be done here,
[00:47:08] Abdullah Güler announced this. Abdullah Güler is also a
[00:47:11] lawyer. Fatih Yıldız is a lawyer. There's a former Justice Minister next to him
[00:47:15] in the frame now. Those names are announcing it, but
[00:47:18] I followed it with regret. Now, first
[00:47:23] of all, this sentence in Article 1, look, it says,
[00:47:27] "This purpose and scope, detected by security
[00:47:31] institutions and the confirmation of this detection by the National
[00:47:34] Security Council's decision published in the Official Gazette,"
[00:47:38] it says, "begins." This sentence, "Detection
[00:47:41] by security institutions." Now, a law
[00:47:44] should not be ambiguous. A law
[00:47:47] should be clear, open, and target-oriented.
[00:47:50] It should not accept any gaps. This law has a precedent,
[00:47:54] no, before that, it also says, "PKK KCK terrorist organization."
[00:47:58] Since it's technical, I'll skip that part. Weapons, all kinds of weapons, ammunition
[00:48:02] delivered
[00:48:03] by security
[00:48:06] The security institution, who is the security institution?
[00:48:09] It is detected by security institutions, then the decision
[00:48:12] is published in the Official Gazette. Who, and how
[00:48:15] do they detect this? What is the way and
[00:48:18] method of this detection? With what procedures and principles do they report
[00:48:22] this to the National Security Council? This is the first
[00:48:26] question mark. What kind of security council,
[00:48:29] what kind of detection? This is a separate situation. Can it
[00:48:33] have anything to do with monitoring? I'll come to the continuation now. The system is as
[00:48:37] follows, because the presidency, here the president has envisioned a system
[00:48:40] like this: the General Secretariat provides
[00:48:43] coordination. The security institution detects
[00:48:47] that weapons have been laid down and ammunition has been surrendered. It reports
[00:48:50] it to the NSC.
[00:48:53] The NSC publishes
[00:48:57] this situation in the Official Gazette,
[00:49:00] and the board, the board in Article 7,
[00:49:03] steps in and manages the process.
[00:49:06] They've built such a framework. So, the detection
[00:49:09] by security units, the announcement by the NSC,
[00:49:13] and the monitoring of the process by the board. This is the
[00:49:16] system, there's such a tripartite system. But while establishing
[00:49:19] this tripartite system, there are contradictions within itself.
[00:49:23] There are major contradictions. Now, in Article 3,
[00:49:25] it says, "The National"
[00:49:29] With the Security Council decision published in the official gazette,
[00:49:33] this Article 1, as we said, with its publication,
[00:49:36] requires aggravated life imprisonment
[00:49:39] for intentional murder and
[00:49:42] life imprisonment prior to 2005
[00:49:45] committed within the framework of terrorist organization activities.
[00:49:48] Now, first,
[00:49:51] intentional murder is separately stated as a clause,
[00:49:54] a heading, meaning that even if it's after 2005,
[00:49:57] intentional murder is not included in this by the army or police.
[00:50:01] Those who martyred and massacred civilians
[00:50:04] were covered, even if it was after 2005,
[00:50:08] that is, even if it was before or after 2005. Yes,
[00:50:11] it continues to state that offenses committed before
[00:50:14] the date of 2005 are to be considered. Look,
[00:50:18] offenses committed before 2005, 2004 was the date when the death penalty was abolished, and
[00:50:30] life imprisonment and aggravated life imprisonment sentences
[00:50:34] for offenses committed before 2005 are not included,
[00:50:36] except for intentional murder. Look,
[00:50:39] this is very important, intentional murder
[00:50:43] is excluded, regardless of when it was committed. Yes,
[00:50:47] before 2005 is excluded, after is excluded.
[00:50:50] Outside. Okay,
[00:50:53] but after
[00:50:56] 2005, except for intentional murder,
[00:50:59] life imprisonment and aggravated life imprisonment
[00:51:03] are covered by this law. Yes,
[00:51:06] except for murder. Sexual crimes
[00:51:09] such as rape are also separated here.
[00:51:13] There is nothing in this sentence about sexual crimes, but
[00:51:16] in the newspapers, let's leave sexual crimes aside.
[00:51:19] He took the officer
[00:51:21] hostage, held soldiers hostage in the mountains,
[00:51:25] deprived them of their liberty, blackmailed, demanded money
[00:51:28] and so on. All of these, drug
[00:51:32] trafficking, selling drugs, transporting drugs,
[00:51:36] drugs, already aggravated life imprisonment and life imprisonment are serious
[00:51:39] crimes. Now, for example,
[00:51:43] the terrorist organization selling drugs, manufacturing drugs,
[00:51:47] transferring drugs, all of these are outside the scope of this law if they are after 2005.
[00:51:50] So, there is an intent to kill there,
[00:51:54] right? Now, in the continuation, there is a situation
[00:51:58] regarding postponements and the decision to drop the charges,
[00:52:01] but look, I will tell you about the sloppy preparation from here.
[00:52:05] Pay close attention, it's very concrete. The parliament
[00:52:08] is a serious institution, it represents the legislative power.
[00:52:12] How can such a mistake be made? I don't understand,
[00:52:14] that is, these lawyers,
[00:52:18] I will talk about a very simple thing. He wrote Article 3,
[00:52:21] I read it four times, and I even thought I might have missed something, so I'll give it to my teacher to read.
[00:52:25] He wrote the first paragraph of Article 3,
[00:52:29] and then came to the second paragraph and said,
[00:52:32] "In accordance with the first paragraph, the right to appeal
[00:52:35] against the decision given by the public prosecutor."
[00:52:39] The word "public prosecutor" does not appear
[00:52:42] in the first paragraph. There is no public prosecutor
[00:52:44] in the first paragraph. The second paragraph says,
[00:52:48] "In accordance with the first paragraph, against the decision
[00:52:52] given by the public prosecutor." Excuse me, but
[00:53:05] Yes, the first paragraph is long. The public prosecutor is not mentioned there.
[00:53:08] Okay, but the second paragraph says that
[00:53:12] the decisions of the public prosecutor are mentioned above.
[00:53:16] The first paragraph says that the KCK
[00:53:19] and PKK will be liquidated, weapons will be laid down,
[00:53:23] this will be determined by the Security institutions,
[00:53:26] then the NSC decision will be published, then applications will begin within 6 months
[00:53:30] in the official gazette, for before and
[00:53:33] after 2005. Before and after,
[00:53:37] except for the crime of murder, and except for crimes committed
[00:53:40] before 2005, including those who received
[00:53:43] aggravated life imprisonment and life imprisonment, applications will be made within 6 months
[00:53:47] and a 5-10 year monitoring process
[00:53:50] will begin for convicts.
[00:53:53] Then it says that these can be objected to.
[00:53:57] Throughout the entire text of the law, it says "can be objected to" several times,
[00:54:01] but it doesn't state who can object. For these 12 articles,
[00:54:04] it doesn't say who can object. Will these people apply to the public prosecutor's office?
[00:59:41] A historical period is being written.
[00:59:44] This new framework law is in the process of a Turkey without terror. It includes a six-month
[00:59:49] period that does not cover
[00:59:52] offenses of murder committed before 2005. Here,
[00:59:55] we may see some releases
[00:59:59] and we will experience some non-prosecution
[01:00:02] processes. This is a framework law
[01:00:06] about its scope, who this framework covers,
[01:00:09] what happened, and how it will work.
[01:00:13] This bill was submitted to the Parliament Presidency.
[01:00:16] Tomorrow, it will come to the Justice Commission and is expected to quickly
[01:00:20] come to the General Assembly and become law. It was submitted to the Parliament
[01:00:23] Presidency with the signatures of 360 deputies.
[01:00:25] sunuldu. Özgür Özel'in açıklamaları var. İyi Parti Genel Başkanı
[01:00:29] Musavat Dervişoğlu'nun itirazları var ve eee Yeni Yol
[01:00:33] Partisi, Dem Parti, Hüdaper
[01:00:36] ve Cumhur Ittifakının kesintisiz
[01:00:38] milletvekillerinin imzasıyla sunulmuş bir çerçeve yasa.
[01:00:42] Bunun bu yasa teklifinin maddelerini anlamaya
[01:00:45] çalışıyoruz. Tabii Adalet komisyonu da. tartışılırken daha
[01:00:48] net eee göreceğiz, genel kurulda da gelip hızla
[01:00:52] yasalaşmasının beklendiğini meclis tatile girmeden önce
[01:00:55] biliyoruz, profesör doktor Mitat Baydur ve
[01:00:59] Afşi Natipoğlu ile birlikteyiz, ilk
[01:01:02] maddeleri, ilk fıkrayı dediniz, onu
[01:01:04] inceledik,
[01:01:07] eee önemli olan hususlar şu, onlara değinelim, bir
[01:01:10] çelişkiler var, ciddi çelişkiler var, bu arzu
[01:01:14] edilen sürecin yönetimine sekteye uğratacak. ilişkiler
[01:01:17] hani istiyorlar ya bu eee terörsüz Türkiye işini biz bu
[01:01:21] yasayla halledelim bir kere bu yasanın bir başlangıç yasası olduğu
[01:01:24] çok aşikar onun da sebebini söyleyeceğiz şimdi
[01:01:28] soruşturma ve kovuşturma evresini bu yasa
[01:01:31] çıktığında askıya alıyorlar yani bir kişi şu anda
[01:01:34] PKK sebebiyle işlediği suçlardan
[01:01:37] mahkemesi devam ediyorsa hakim uzarındaysa bunu askıya
[01:01:41] alıyorlar hı hı Savcı soruşturma aşamasındaysa onu da
[01:01:45] askıya alıyorlar ve bu eee delilleri diyor,
[01:01:49] dosyaları diyor, biz saklarız diyor, o
[01:01:51] saklama, eee, 15 yıllık işte 10 yıllık
[01:01:55] süreler kapsamındaki durumlarda
[01:01:58] eee,
[01:02:00] mahkeme nezdinde tutulur, daha sonra bunlarla ilgili
[01:02:04] muhtemelen düşme kararı verilecek, çünkü eee onunla
[01:02:08] ilgili de çok net bir şey yok açıkçası, yani şu anda devam
[01:02:11] eden soruşturma ve kovuşturmalar askıya alınıyor, ertelenir
[01:02:15] demek o, askıya alınıyor ve kendi iç.
[01:03:00] So there is no status, Öcalan
[01:03:03] does not have the right to benefit from this law, for now, he doesn't, but
[01:03:07] when we read it together with Mr. Bahçeli's statement yesterday, what does he say? Öcalan
[01:03:10] says, "hope for release," "Let Ahmet return home,
[01:03:14] Demirtaş go home to his family."
[01:03:18] Now, the situation of these three, Demirtaş,
[01:03:20] may fall under this law, or if there are other articles,
[01:03:24] it may not. He says it will, so let's separate that,
[01:03:28] but there is no removal of trustees here, nor is there
[01:03:31] a direct right to hope for Öcalan under this law. This means
[01:03:35] that other arrangements will be made later. This was asked to Abdullah Güler,
[01:03:39] the AK Party group chairman, and he said that
[01:03:42] it's not possible for this to end with this law. He also said that
[01:03:45] there is no need for a law for academics to meet with journalists;
[01:03:49] these can be done with an administrative regulation.
[01:03:52] So, he said that the meeting traffic might increase a bit,
[01:03:56] and academics can meet with journalists. But this is not related to the law;
[01:03:59] it's an administrative matter of the Ministry of Justice
[01:04:03] that this can be done with an administrative regulation.
[01:04:06] Here, there's a very important Article 7. Article 7
[01:04:09] is one of the most important articles here. Article 7
[01:04:13] says that a board will be established
[01:04:16] to monitor the implementation of the activities within the scope
[01:04:19] of this law. This board lists
[01:04:23] the President and so on. This board, it says,
[01:04:27] will monitor the postponement.
[01:04:30] This board will monitor it. What we understand from this article
[01:04:33] is this: The NSC will publish
[01:04:36] a decision in the official gazette
[01:04:40] stating that the PKK and KCK have been dissolved.
[01:04:43] Then the board will begin its work.
[01:04:45] Within 6 months, applications will come
[01:04:49] to the board within 6 months.
[01:04:51] These applications will be evaluated
[01:04:55] by the board. It is referred to
[01:04:59] as the "board"
[01:05:07] in the related name. So, evaluation,
[01:05:11] monitoring, coordination, and implementation. This is a
[01:05:15] sentence. With the monitoring board,
[01:05:19] it is written like this: "Following the publication of the law
[01:05:22] in the Official Gazette, under the chairmanship of the Vice President,
[01:05:26] Minister of Justice, Foreign Affairs, Interior, National Defense, Secretary General of the Presidency."
[01:05:37] This is both a monitoring board and it also says
[01:05:40] that it can establish sub-committees and so on. But this
[01:05:43] article is very contradictory. Look, it will also establish a monitoring board in the parliament.
[01:05:47] It says it will inform the parliament. Look,
[01:05:49] if you are going to do something, do it in a proper
[01:05:53] language. How will you implement this?
[01:05:57] Look, I will tell you that here. That is,
[01:06:00] it's very bad. How did a lawyer write this?
[01:06:04] I don't understand. Look, it says such a board has been established,
[01:06:07] okay? It says it will monitor it. Let's read this for a couple of paragraphs,
[01:06:11] because this is the core of the issue, and the problem will arise from here.
[01:06:15] It's going to the commission, so fix it in the commission.
[01:06:19] Okay, what is it? "Following the publication
[01:06:22] of the National Security Council decision mentioned in Article 1
[01:06:26] in the Official Gazette, in line with the purpose
[01:06:30] and scope of this law, periodic evaluations
[01:06:33] can be made by the board based on observation reports
[01:06:37] regarding the complete liquidation of the organization.
[01:06:40] If the board deems it necessary, requests can be made
[01:06:43] regarding judicial, administrative, and legal regulations."
[01:06:46] How is the process going? This board
[01:06:50] will monitor it. Yes, if necessary,
[01:06:53] legal support. It says a law needs to be enacted,
[01:06:56] a regulation is needed. Is this clear?
[01:07:00] Ministers, critical ministers, MIT Director, National Security Council Secretary General.
[01:07:04] Now we've come to a very important point. Listen carefully, citizens.
[01:07:08] Due to investigations and prosecutions, that is, investigations and
[01:07:11] prosecutions against PKK members, the deprivation of rights
[01:07:14] arising from these should be completely removed
[01:07:18] with all its consequences. From the Criminal Judgeship of Peace
[01:07:21] or the Court. The deprivation of rights arising from conviction
[01:07:25] sentences. By this deprivation of rights,
[01:07:28] I also mean political bans. The complete removal of all its consequences
[01:07:31] is requested by the board from the enforcement judge.
[01:07:34] That is, the lifting of the political ban
[01:07:38] on PKK members... This board requests this from the relevant authorities,
[01:07:41] but for 3 years there will be a political ban,
[01:07:44] okay, within those periods, but
[01:07:48] the board will send these
[01:07:51] as a package, as a list, to the relevant places.
[01:07:54] So, the board carries out the role of mediation
[01:07:58] here, but these people are politically banned for 3 years.
[01:08:00] I think
[01:08:02] they know the law very well here. Yes, regarding this issue,
[01:08:05] there is also
[01:08:09] the following: For these
[01:08:11] decisions, for postponement decisions given as 5 years,
[01:08:15] 2 years must have passed from the date. For postponement decisions given as 10 years,
[01:08:18] 3 years must have passed. That is, a 5-year postponement decision,
[01:08:22] and for sentences of 10 years or more, there is a 2-year political
[01:08:25] ban, and for sentences of 15 years or more,
[01:08:28] there is a 3-year political ban.
[01:08:32] The board requests the lifting of these bans
[01:08:35] from the relevant authorities once these periods have passed. Yes, I understood that.
[01:08:38] Here is another point. Look, Article 9.
[01:08:43] I'll mention this Article 9 and then summarize and leave it to my teacher.
[01:08:46] Okay, now in Article 9, it says,
[01:08:49] "Look at the contradictions. The decision of the National Security Council,
[01:08:52] published in the official gazette, within 6 months,
[01:08:56] is applied to those who wish to benefit from the provisions
[01:09:00] of this law by notifying
[01:09:02] the public prosecutor's offices in their locations
[01:09:05] and the institutions assigned by the board in writing."
[01:09:08] Now, a judiciary. Investigation and prosecution
[01:09:13] are judicial activities. The judiciary,
[01:09:17] as defined in the Constitution as legislative,
[01:09:20] executive, and judicial, is a separate power.
[01:09:23] Okay. The judiciary has its own organization,
[01:09:27] its own procedures and principles. Okay. Now,
[01:09:30] as a PKK militant, I will apply.
[01:09:34] I will say that I want to benefit from this law.
[01:09:36] Both for my investigation and prosecution to be dropped,
[01:09:40] I will be able to go to the chief prosecutor's offices. And if the board wishes,
[01:09:43] I will be able to apply to any administrative
[01:09:46] organization by assigning an administrative
[01:09:49] officer. They are putting
[01:09:52] the chief prosecutor's office and an administrative
[01:09:56] organization at the same level. That is, look,
[01:09:59] for example, I said that I came to Ağrı.
[01:10:03] I was a PKK militant settled on Mount Ağrı.
[01:10:05] I was a PKK terrorist. A PKK terrorist
[01:10:09] in Hakkari. They notify the institutions in writing.
[01:10:42] Okay, those notifications. But look,
[01:10:46] now, this
[01:10:48] is a judicial institution. You're dropping the investigation,
[01:10:52] you're dropping the prosecution, but these are already the difficulties.
[01:10:56] That's why if you write it, it becomes difficult. You wrote it, and it became difficult.
[01:11:00] Let the person go and apply to the public prosecutor's office. Besides,
[01:11:03] how can you transfer the prosecutor's duty to a commission? Can a judicial duty be transferred?
[01:11:07] This article is unconstitutional. You say let the prosecutor make the decision.
[01:11:11] Okay. Let me finish by saying that the board monitors and the prosecutor makes the decision.
[01:11:14] Look, this law,
[01:11:17] as it stands, cannot be implemented by anyone.
[01:11:21] Why? It will get mixed up.
[01:11:23] Now, it will include before 2005. Look, I am a terrorist.
[01:11:27] How will I enter the country from abroad? Is there such a thing?
[01:11:30] No, sir. I am a terrorist
[01:11:33] on the Iraqi side of Hakkari. My code name is
[01:11:36] Jipik. I am a terrorist with the code name Jipik.
[01:11:40] I have no name, no reputation. Come to the border.
[01:11:43] Who will take me? Who will take me here? Where is this?
[01:11:47] Is this terrorist living in Kütahya or Çankırı?
[01:11:51] Where does he live? You will apply to the law enforcement.
[01:11:54] I'm in Syria, I'm in Iran.
[01:11:56] I came. I'm a PKK terrorist
[01:11:59] in Iran. I'm a PKK terrorist in Syria. Where will I come from?
[01:12:03] The man says to apply to the commission,
[01:12:06] to the district governor's office. How will I cross the border?
[01:12:10] There is no regulation about crossing the border
[01:12:13] here. Look, there is not a single word
[01:12:17] about crossing the border. Are these PKK terrorists
[01:12:20] inside or outside our borders? For example, today
[01:12:24] in the newspapers, they say that these
[01:12:27] were probably determined because 3-4 thousand PKK terrorists
[01:12:30] will be released. So, they are in our prisons.
[01:12:34] Yes, Mr. Baki,
[01:12:38] are they not also released? Are they not also
[01:12:40] known that they will come? Those in Europe have come.
[01:12:44] Look, those in Europe have come.
[01:12:48] If there is a warrant for their arrest, then what?
[01:12:51] Don't we have a list already? You don't have it for all of them.
[01:12:57] You're conducting an investigation against someone who is a fugitive with a code name,
[01:13:01] but there are searches, there are searches.
[01:13:04] There are those who fall into these crimes, and those who don't.
[01:13:08] Are all of them not known already? There are also those who escaped.
[01:13:12] It's not possible to know all of them. You don't know where these people are,
[01:13:15] you don't know where they will come from. You told this person to come
[01:13:18] and apply to the district governor's office. Is this a land deed you're giving?
[01:13:22] Is this a cadastral job? How will this person come down from the mountain physically?
[01:13:31] You're writing all this, you would say for those who come from abroad
[01:13:35] and apply, for example, there's no one
[01:13:39] who can answer this. For those who come from abroad
[01:13:42] to apply, you would say something about
[01:13:45] border police stations or whatever. This person lives in the mountains.
[01:13:49] How will this person actually come from the mountains?
[01:13:52] Is there a warrant
[01:13:55] for his arrest or not? Do you know his name or not?
[01:13:58] With a fake ID or a real ID? Look, also, I mean, let's just
[01:14:01] give numbers specific to Turkey. What's happening outside?
[01:14:05] You brought up so many issues. For example, this sentence, look,
[01:14:08] this sentence cannot be accepted offhand. You finish, and I'll say something else.
[01:14:12] Sir, excuse me for interrupting, but we had to do it.
[01:14:15] Is there such a sentence, for God's sake? It says that the Security
[01:14:19] institutions will determine and confirm that the terrorist organization has ceased
[01:14:22] all its activities and surrendered all
[01:14:26] weapons and ammunition under its control.
[01:14:29] Yes, it is completely
[01:14:32] in the first article. The first
[01:14:35] article, the first article,
[01:14:38] says that the PKK will be disbanded, weapons will be laid down.
[01:14:41] This is what is meant by it, that is,
[01:14:45] it talks about the PKK's weapons.
[01:14:48] What about the PKK's assets,
[01:14:51] money? What will happen to these?
[01:14:55] He says there's nothing in that law. There's not a single small
[01:14:58] sentence about money. Movable, immovable property, etc.
[01:15:02] Let's say you included movable property in ammunition. Huh?
[01:15:05] Their money in banks around the world.
[01:15:09] This terrorist organization has caused us 2.3 trillion dollars in damage.
[01:15:13] 2.3 trillion dollars.
[01:15:16] In return, not a single compensation is received.
[01:15:19] There is no regulation regarding their assets. I don't know
[01:15:22] how this law will be implemented.
[01:15:35] Please make a general evaluation, and then I will ask my questions. Okay, now,
[01:15:39] there's something here. We tolerate it in a way,
[01:15:42] we call it a framework law, but
[01:15:46] it needs a lot of regulations.
[01:15:49] For example, when someone dies, for example, someone coming from abroad,
[01:15:52] there's a drug and money laundering
[01:15:56] traffic. Placing this only in the category
[01:15:59] of regulation is a bit annoying. Now, when you look at it,
[01:16:03] it's only a few pages, like 3-4 pages, consisting of 12 articles.
[01:16:07] But even in that, I agree with Mr. Hafşin, there are some
[01:16:11] things like this. For example, it says that all weapons, materials,
[01:16:14] and ammunition brought within the framework of ammunition and declared ammunition
[01:16:18] will be registered. What if they don't declare,
[01:16:21] like a tax declaration? What if they declare incompletely?
[01:16:25] The word "declare" is a word that will dilute this matter.
[01:16:28] The word "declare." What if they don't declare?
[01:16:31] Will we say, "Oh well"? For example, there's something like this.
[01:16:35] Or a correct declaration. On the other hand, for example,
[01:16:38] Mr. Afşin, perhaps it escaped his attention. ran away, two
[01:16:41] and, uh, there are 3-year delays, right? Uh, for example, a political
[01:16:45] ban. It says it's not 10 years, but 15 years.
[01:16:49] In both cases, it's a fixed 15 years. If it's 15 years or less, it's a two-year
[01:16:52] delay. If it's 15 years or more.
[01:17:04] It says that the weapons brought in will be processed into the system. It's a shame,
[01:17:08] isn't it? I mean, is this something to be written? Of course, it will be processed into the system. Now, you
[01:17:12] are saying that you will conduct security investigations for academics. They say that the national
[01:17:16] intelligence is not enough, and they will also ask the police.
[01:17:19] And it's retroactive, perhaps even for
[01:17:22] deleted criminal records. Even a criminal record.
[01:17:25] Now you're going to admit an academic to the university, and you're asking so many questions about the academic.
[01:17:29] Here you're saying, "Uh, just don't process it into the system."
[01:17:33] Can such a thing happen? Of course, you will
[01:17:35] process it into the system. So, now, you'll admit them to the university,
[01:17:38] the research assistant.
[01:17:42] You'll conduct a 15-year, 20-year, whatever, investigation into their family retroactively.
[01:17:46] That won't be enough, you'll ask the national intelligence, or you'll ask the national intelligence
[01:17:49] and then ask the police again. You're writing
[01:17:52] this, saying, "We'll also process this into the system."
[01:17:56] "You are this state, of course, you will process it. Now, there are 3900
[01:17:59] releases, the issue of releases. These are actually the figures given by the Green Party,
[01:18:03] not figures I estimated myself."
[01:18:07] Approximately 75 thousand investigations will
[01:18:10] be completed. It's currently at the prosecutor's stage. How many do you say?
[01:18:13] 75 thousand. 40. 40,000 prosecutions
[01:18:17] will be completed. At the court stage. At the court stage, sir, these are
[01:18:21] 75,000. 75,000 investigations,
[01:18:24] 40,000 prosecutions, and 3009 releases. These are very large
[01:18:28] numbers. And now, when you look, it's not 2-3 releases, right? Of course, now,
[01:18:31] for example, what are you doing with this person? The release of the PKK member is expected. And
[01:18:35] now you're saying this is after 2005. There's no intentional
[01:18:38] killing that happened after 2005. And the person just came,
[01:18:42] so we'll finish this eventually. We're talking about a Turkey without terrorism.
[01:18:45] These are, well, these are remorseful people after all.
[01:18:48] It says, "We will process this into the system," right? You're saying, "We're including it in the system." The trustee in Şişli
[01:18:52] continues, within the framework of the urban
[01:18:54] renewal. Isn't this a contradiction? A decision to protect me,
[01:18:58] right? So, if you're setting a new beginning here, uh, of course, the trustee in Şişli
[01:19:02] continues. So, there are such things, there are such oddities.
[01:19:06] It continues in Esenyurt as well. Now, of course, for example, Afşin Bey just
[01:19:09] read it. There's the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Interior, the Minister of National Defense.
[01:19:12] There's the Secretary General of the Presidency, there's the Head of MIT, there's the National
[01:19:16] Security. It's supposed to be like that. So, the ministers and
[01:19:19] others in the National Security Council, the presidents and so on, are there. Now,
[01:19:23] these people will probably make updates according to the situation. Observation, I mean,
[01:19:27] there are also a couple of other ministers in the parliament, I mean,
[01:19:30] there are ministers, there are ministers, they will probably
[01:19:33] say to the courts, "This is a good development, it's good."
[01:19:37] When they say these can also be included, then the court has
[01:19:40] to comply. The Minister of Justice is already inside, I mean.
[01:19:43] Ultimately, I mean, ultimately, actually, this could
[01:19:47] lead to a constitutional debate.
[01:19:51] a directive to the courts. Of course, that's how it's understood. There is such
[01:19:54] a situation. In a way, it's also a clear directive to the court. I mean,
[01:19:58] it will interfere with the judiciary, of course.
[01:20:01] It's doing something now, but here, the main political point, legally,
[01:20:05] Afşin Bey mentioned it, so I won't repeat the technical stuff. I just took a couple of notes,
[01:20:08] I'll just say that, uh, it was good and productive.
[01:20:11] There are things now. This actually started
[01:20:15] with something like this, we talked about it a lot in the last two years. This,
[01:20:18] uh, you know, with Bahçeli's visit
[01:20:22] to the Parliament two years ago, this team, this team
[01:20:25] started with a handshake, and then a paradigm word came out, saying that a new
[01:20:29] paradigm, the Republic paradigm, is changing and so on. Now, actually, here
[01:20:33] we are stuck in Kandil like this, the terrorists in Turkey.
[01:20:36] How many PKK members are left? Süleyman
[01:20:40] Soylu used to say 80 people were left, you know, he knew everything down to their shoelaces.
[01:20:43] This is not about the PKK, because here it says, look, in article 1, PKK,
[01:20:46] article 1, PKK, KCK, uh, the terrorist
[01:20:50] organization and all related
[01:20:53] formations' actual existence has ceased,
[01:20:56] and the delivery of weapons and ammunition has been
[01:21:00] determined and confirmed by the Security Council. KCK is also there.
[01:21:03] When you say KCK, this is not just blood.
[01:21:07] Uh, Northern Iraq, Iran, Pejak, Syria, right?
[01:21:11] Syrian democratic, it covers the entire region. Now,
[01:21:14] from the moment it covers the region, we also need
[01:21:17] to do a risk analysis of this. Now, I spoke completely legally, for example,
[01:21:21] a foreign policy and political analysis of this also needs
[01:21:24] to be done. This is currently, for example, there's also a thing now,
[01:21:28] let me tell you this. For example, it gives us a hint
[01:21:31] that the leader of the terrorist organization, uh, says
[01:21:35] it's at least as old as the republic. You say, "What kind of a thing
[01:21:39] is this? I mean, how important is it?" It's very
[01:21:43] important, but you should think of it like this: it's at least as important
[01:21:46] as the republic, at least as important as the republic. What does that mean?
[01:21:50] It means that even the republic is less important next to it. It's so
[01:21:54] important that even the republic is less important next to it. Now, what are you trying to do?
[01:21:57] I mean, now there is a, okay, there is a framework
[01:22:01] law here, and there will be regulations regarding this,
[01:22:04] but its manifestations
[01:22:07] in the region, its development dynamics, new
[01:22:11] anticipated or unanticipated parameters come
[01:22:13] into play. As Bahçeli said, in our region,
[01:22:17] there will be so many changes that God protect Turkey.
[01:22:21] As he said, will we move towards "Oh, God protect Turkey"?
[01:22:25] These need to be looked at. For example, today, it wasn't discussed at all. I mean, we didn't discuss
[01:22:28] it at all at this table today. I don't know if it will be discussed tonight or tomorrow. For example,
[01:22:32] there are very important developments in Syria. In Syria, for example.
[01:22:35] they met with the Syrian Democratic Forces.
[01:22:56] So, in Syria, there were four brigades. In a way,
[01:23:00] by abandoning a federal constitution, they are trying to achieve
[01:23:03] a composition more like a type of integration,
[01:23:06] especially under the guise of an integration,
[01:23:10] in a way that will reassure Turkey.
[01:23:13] Uh, now, in Iraq, there are Barzani and
[01:23:17] Talabani. So, Turkey is also there.
[01:23:34] But now, what will happen in Syria after this?
[01:23:37] If we look at the possible developments coming from the region,
[01:23:40] some of the armed groups and manpower are moving towards Iran, towards Pejak.
[01:23:43] Now, for example, there is a new search for reconciliation with Iran.
[01:23:47] Perhaps 6 months later, perhaps a year later,
[01:23:58] this time, who can guarantee that the Pejak
[01:24:01] in Iran, under the umbrella of the Pejak
[01:24:05] framework, with these developments, the weapons, ammunition, equipment,
[01:24:08] and forces gathered there will not rise up against
[01:24:11] the Iranian government with the United States? If they do rise up,
[01:24:15] what about the first implications of this in Syria,
[01:24:18] Iraq, and Turkey? Have these risk analyses been done? These are very,
[01:24:22] very, very important issues, because, because
[01:24:25] if Syria is only
[01:24:28] what we thought the US Ambassador to Ankara
[01:24:31] was, but it didn't stop there, and Tom
[01:24:34] Barack, the US Special Representative for Syria and Iraq,
[01:24:38] spoke of a constitutional monarchy, a benevolent
[01:24:41] monarchy, and in a conjuncture
[01:24:44] where he said we would one day see Israel and Turkey
[01:24:47] extending from the Caspian to the Mediterranean,
[01:24:50] and in a conjuncture where the US
[01:24:53] doesn't allow Turkey to fully control the Kurds
[01:24:56] in Syria, nor does it allow Israel to fully
[01:25:00] control them, uh, without
[01:25:02] securing this for either of them, are the foundations being laid
[01:25:06] for their joint presence in that
[01:25:09] region for the future? These questions need to be asked.
[01:25:13] But while we assume this, actually,
[01:25:17] uh, if some developments go against Israel
[01:25:20] and the US, how will the entire US and Israeli line
[01:25:24] react, what will the developments be? Now, all these
[01:25:28] risk analyses need to be done, because when it says KCK,
[01:25:32] it's not just the PKK here, but we need to talk about
[01:25:35] all of Syria, Iran, Iraq, everything.
[01:25:39] And the strongest places are the Syrian Democratic Forces. Now, for example, there's another development
[01:25:43] with the Syrian Democratic Forces. They are moving towards a political party formation process
[01:25:46] with the new analysis. Now they will form a party.
[01:25:50] "Now, this party, like we say, 'I became a Turkey party,' and so on, we used to always
[01:25:53] talk about the HDP like that, for example. 'Okay, but you always talk
[01:25:57] about terrorism, PKK, whatever.' You're talking about a new
[01:26:01] constitution, uh, you know, you're talking about
[01:26:05] Kurds' right to vote, right to be elected, language rights.
[01:26:08] Doesn't Turkey have other problems in education, health?
[01:26:12] Even if you become a Turkey party, Turkey has a year's worth of problems,' we used to say. Now, for example, their
[01:26:15] Syrianization there, like a..."
[01:26:58] Where will they be together? Are these important?
[01:27:02] Yes, they are important. Wait a minute, now it doesn't just end with Syria-Iraq. We haven't even gotten
[01:27:06] to Europe yet. We, for example, objected to Sweden and
[01:27:09] Finland's thing, right? To their NATO membership. Wait a minute,
[01:27:12] NATO, okay, okay, we'll say yes, we'll take you into NATO, but you sit there all evening
[01:27:16] and you feed PKK members, you turn a blind eye to PKK members.
[01:27:20] We resisted for 3-5 months, then we had to accept it. So what will happen
[01:27:23] now? Now, for example, this was said a lot, discussed a lot.
[01:27:27] Public education associations, public education centers, press
[01:27:30] agencies, advertising agencies, political
[01:27:33] units, some program things, activities,
[01:27:37] with folkloric and cultural associations, there are nearly 900
[01:27:40] public and semi-public associations and activities
[01:27:44] of the PKK in Europe. Nearly 900. All of these, I mean.
[01:27:48] will happen. Now, one needs to approach this with great suspicion.
[01:27:58] It was just said, what about drug trafficking? Billions of dollars are being talked about. This organization
[01:28:02] finances itself from there. The organization will be gone, it says.
[01:28:06] The law says so. Well, of course, how much will be left? How much
[01:28:09] will be left, I mean, how much will not be left?
[01:28:13] These, these are very important. The first article says
[01:28:17] the complete end of the organization. Here,
[01:28:20] look,
[01:28:23] uh, as you read, something new comes out. As you read, something new comes out. Now,
[01:28:27] I have to point out 4-5 more important legal contradictions, first of all.
[01:28:30] "No matter where you go in the world, Argentina, South Korea,
[01:28:34] Japan, Kuala Lumpur, wherever you go, there is
[01:28:38] one principle. It is very important.
[01:28:41] The generality of laws. Laws cannot be enacted
[01:28:45] specifically for individuals or specific events.
[01:28:49] You cannot enact a law targeting a specific
[01:28:52] group. The Constitutional Court and the European Court
[01:28:56] of Human Rights have consistent
[01:28:59] rulings, thousands of rulings, look.
[01:29:02] I'm not saying tens or hundreds, but thousands of rulings.
[01:29:04] For example, what do we mean?
[01:29:08] It excludes intentional homicide, for example,
[01:29:12] attempted murder. If you attempt to murder a police officer,
[01:29:15] soldier, or civilian as a member of the PKK,
[01:29:19] you don't get punished according to this law.
[01:29:22] If you're not a PKK member, but a member
[01:29:26] of any gang or individually, outside
[01:29:30] of any gang... if you sell
[01:29:40] it, you fall within this law, especially for after 2005,
[01:29:44] or if you trade
[01:29:46] it. And there's no aggravated life imprisonment for them anyway.
[01:29:50] Apart from this, if you
[01:29:53] sell it, you remain outside this law. This
[01:29:56] is contrary to the principle of the generality of laws. If you
[01:29:59] apply this way.
[01:30:17] You are saying that this law, in the scope of its objectives and activities, states that individuals who carry out the given duties
[01:30:20] will not incur legal, administrative, or criminal
[01:30:23] liability due to these duties. This is a very serious
[01:30:27] article. Who are the "s"
[01:30:31] in this article? How and within what scope can you
[01:30:34] exempt these individuals? For example, as members of parliament, they
[01:30:38] signed it. A deputy has immunity, legislative power.
[01:30:42] If irregular and illegal
[01:30:44] actions are taken when applying this law, oh,
[01:30:48] there's a dossier. Hmm. Look, the person brought
[01:30:51] assets, brought goods. These goods
[01:30:54] were lost, hmm,
[01:30:57] not registered. They said five to the treasury, but three entered.
[01:31:01] Two didn't enter. And,
[01:31:04] look what it says: "Individuals who perform their duties within
[01:31:08] its scope will not incur legal, administrative, or criminal liability
[01:31:11] due to these duties." You are exempting this person from punishment.
[01:31:15] This is legally unacceptable. How did I understand this, you ask?
[01:31:19] You understood it that way, but the law doesn't work that way. It doesn't work the way you understood it.
[01:31:23] This draft, I mean, the people who prepared and signed this draft,
[01:31:26] I understood it as giving them legal immunity. I have a law education.
[01:31:29] My normal... "I have a responsibility to think like
[01:31:33] an ordinary citizen in order to explain it to the citizen. Please say that again,
[01:31:36] let's mention that too. I ask you.
[01:31:39] Here, there is an article
[01:31:43] that states that those who do this work and perform their duties
[01:31:46] while doing these tasks,
[01:31:49] any illegality or lawlessness
[01:31:53] they produce will be pardoned
[01:31:56] from the start. And an example
[01:31:59] of this being written is that no lawsuit can be filed
[01:32:02] against these individuals in the future.
[01:32:06] For example, this person is given
[01:32:09] a duty and receives the goods, okay,
[01:32:13] okay. They take the weapons. Maybe the person brought jewelry,
[01:32:16] because it says assets here, for example, they brought goods, assets,
[01:32:20] or they brought weapons, ammunition,
[01:32:23] they counted them. They brought drugs, they brought
[01:32:26] and brought more, they brought pills, okay. They took
[01:32:28] these. Okay, write 5.
[01:32:33] They took 10, and put five
[01:32:36] aside. In how many drug cases in Turkey
[01:32:39] are police officers involved? Let them look at those judicial
[01:32:43] custody files. How many times have you reported on it here?
[01:32:46] Yes. They said five, took ten, wrote down five, and put
[01:32:50] five aside. How will you prosecute this person according to this article?
[01:32:53] We also reported on mole news. Article 10, paragraph 2.
[01:32:57] I hadn't understood it that way.
[01:33:00] But you interpret it this way, there is a literal interpretation
[01:33:03] of the law, there is a teleological interpretation.
[01:33:06] You understand it this way when you look at it literally,
[01:33:09] but when you delve into it, something completely different emerges.
[01:33:13] You say, within the scope of KCK,
[01:33:16] I even pardon aggravated life imprisonment after 2005.
[01:33:20] I commit drug offenses, I don't know,
[01:33:24] hostage-taking, blackmail, etc.,
[01:33:26] as a member of a terrorist organization within
[01:33:29] the PKK. I am pardoned. Ahmet, who shares my cell,
[01:33:33] is not pardoned because he committed the same activities
[01:33:36] in another terrorist organization.
[01:33:40] Both are citizens of the Republic of Turkey. Yes, only the PKK KCK
[01:33:44] terrorist organization, the other. Article 10 of the Constitution is the principle
[01:33:47] of equality. It's a universal rule of law, the principle
[01:33:50] of the generality of laws. How will you achieve social peace
[01:33:54] this way? Is it only the PKK and
[01:33:58] KCK members and Fetö who commit crimes, who make temporary
[01:34:01] movements in this country? What should they do? I mean, the issue is not just
[01:34:05] Fetö. There's Fetö, there's Casper's
[01:34:08] gang. Should they pardon them too? They're committing the same crime.
[01:34:12] I don't know, there are Daltons too. They're committing the same crime. Leave
[01:34:15] the gang member, individually, aren't I extorting
[01:34:19] someone, brother? Am I not stabbing
[01:34:23] someone? Am I not attempting to murder? Aren't three people getting together to produce
[01:34:26] and sell drugs? Aren't these crimes? The most important thing is, the issue
[01:34:30] doesn't start and end with Fetö. That's a completely
[01:34:33] different matter anyway. Criminal lawyers have published
[01:34:36] opinions regarding the European Court of Human Rights.
[01:34:40] No one pays attention to that. And Fetö is also a terrorist organization
[01:34:43] in this sense.
[01:34:48] Is it the only terrorist organization in Turkey? Well, they say
[01:34:52] the other day, yes, uh, what, professor, are we going to
[01:34:55] defend them now? I mean, are we defending the PKK?
[01:34:57] I mean, that's not how you look at it. You
[01:35:01] can't look at it that way. I mean, when I say "you," I mean all of us
[01:35:04] in the parliament. You should be odorless,
[01:35:07] colorless, and indistinguishable. You need to be objective.
[01:35:10] You need to look at the issue this way.
[01:35:14] You
[01:35:25] are clearly making trouble here again. Then you postpone his sentence
[01:35:29] for 10 years, postpone the execution
[01:35:31] for 10 years. You say, "I will monitor you for 10 years." After 3 years,
[01:35:35] you lift his political ban. Imagine, I become a Member of Parliament,
[01:35:38] professor. My political ban is lifted, and at the same time, I am being
[01:35:42] monitored.
[01:35:44] The parliament
[01:35:53] also monitors it. So, there is such a thing. I am a member of parliament, and the parliament also monitors whether I am doing this work.
[01:35:57] Yes, I can apply to a vice president's
[01:35:59] coordination office.
[01:36:02] At the same time, if another administrative commission is established with equal status
[01:36:06] to the public prosecutor, I can also apply to that. You see, in the judiciary,
[01:36:09] let me tell you something: the three of us
[01:36:12] here, if we wanted to, we could file an inheritance lawsuit,
[01:36:16] we could also file a compensation lawsuit,
[01:36:19] we could also file a divorce lawsuit, but we cannot file a criminal lawsuit,
[01:36:23] do you know why? Only prosecutors
[01:36:26] can file criminal lawsuits on behalf of the public. You can file a criminal complaint,
[01:36:30] the person who will decide whether it turns into a criminal lawsuit
[01:36:34] is the public prosecutor. This is what you call an indictment.
[01:36:37] You can file any private lawsuit you want, no one can interfere.
[01:36:40] You win or lose, that's a different matter. But you cannot
[01:36:44] file a criminal lawsuit against me. You can only
[01:36:48] complain about me. The public prosecutor makes the decision. But you, as
[01:36:51] a board, in the commission you will establish, you can delegate the authority
[01:36:55] of the public prosecutor to another commission and make it equal.
[01:36:58] These will harm us, our principle of a state of law. One day they will say, "Look,
[01:37:02] you did these things back then, now do these things." This
[01:37:06] won't work. If you are doing something, do it properly,
[01:37:09] in accordance with logic and law. You cannot manage this process with this document.
[01:37:12] I'm saying it clearly, there will be deficiencies. The commission
[01:37:15] will also correct this. You haven't written 'public prosecutor'.
[01:37:19] You are giving a duty to the public prosecutor under something you haven't written. How can you give
[01:37:22] a duty to something you haven't written? There are too many
[01:37:25] contradictions, too many. Well, now, the main point, please. No, within this framework,
[01:37:29] for example, Selahattin Demirtaş and others will be released from prison. It is also
[01:37:32] said that those on trial in the Kobani case will be released,
[01:37:35] but the European Court of Human Rights already...
[01:37:38] I mean, there's no quantity, there's quality
[01:37:41] in us. So, universal norms of law are not applied, right?
[01:37:45] There's already a decision by the European Court of Human Rights. So, there's
[01:37:49] such
[01:37:52] a strange situation. Now, these
[01:37:55] political bans were important, and it's an important topic.
[01:37:58] Uh, those sentenced to under 15 years get 2 years,
[01:38:02] and those sentenced to over 15 years, or who received a verdict, get a 3-year political ban.
[01:38:06] But uh, this
[01:38:08] political ban, but on the other hand, these people's political ban
[01:38:12] ends after 3 years, but... Uh, those sentenced to under 15 years
[01:38:15] get 5 years, and those sentenced to over 15 years
[01:38:19] will be monitored for 10 years. So, their political
[01:38:21] ban ends, but their monitoring will continue for 10 years. There is such a contradiction.
[01:38:25] Uh, it says so, but it's not meant to be monitored for 10 years or 5 years
[01:38:29] until the very end. There is a board here
[01:38:32] that includes the ministries we listed. If this board gives its opinion,
[01:38:36] a new regulation will be made for them, it seems. It's open-ended,
[01:38:39] I mean, it's open-ended, but currently, they are seen
[01:38:43] as being monitored for 10 years. And under 15 years...
[01:38:51] This is a framework law. Now, let's say this is a framework law. We need to look
[01:38:54] at the regulations under this framework law. "Hmm,
[01:38:57] yes. It will give its main character and spirit.
[01:39:01] What will happen? The framework is 12 articles.
[01:39:05] There's a thing, you know, the famous saying from the Mecelle: "Procedure precedes substance."
[01:39:09] So, the procedure is very wrong, you know? I mean, for example, this was never
[01:39:12] sufficiently discussed in public in Turkey. In fact, I told Afşin Bey
[01:39:16] before the program. I mean,
[01:39:19] social consent was not produced. Let's even forget that. "We don't need social consent,
[01:39:23] we'll do it," it was said. But on this side,
[01:39:26] 600 elected members of parliament, when it comes to the point,
[01:39:30] you say that there are deputies elected by the people there,
[01:39:34] so the will of the nation is reflected there.
[01:39:37] 592 or three people know that members of parliament
[01:39:40] signed something they didn't read. That's
[01:39:43] what's being said. Four people know, they themselves
[01:39:46] say it, it's not a secret. I mean, if a statement is correct,
[01:39:50] then it's true, I mean, you have to believe that they're telling the truth. They say, "We didn't read it." You sign something
[01:39:54] you didn't read.
[01:39:57] was reflected there, I mean, the real representatives
[01:40:01] of the nation were there. I mean,
[01:40:04] that's where the will of the nation
[01:40:06] is truly reflected. And
[01:40:10] what will happen? They don't even know. Now, there's a procedural
[01:40:13] error here, a procedural error. It says that when the procedure is completely wrong,
[01:40:17] one doesn't even want to get into the essence. I mean, "We'll open the envelope,
[01:40:20] we'll start working." It says it was submitted to the Parliament Speaker's Office.
[01:40:24] Therefore, we didn't have a chance to evaluate it after it was submitted...
[01:40:27] "We saw it," he says. He even gave all the burden,
[01:40:30] all the responsibility to the board. I mean,
[01:40:34] uh, excuse me, but at least give it a name. Can a board be just called "board"?
[01:40:38] I mean, say "follow-up board," "monitoring board," I don't know,
[01:40:42] "executive board." It says "monitoring board." No, it's just "board." How can I distinguish
[01:40:46] a monitoring board? That's a separate issue. The person just said "board." Look, in the parliament too, there is a monitoring board, a board
[01:40:50] consisting of the Secretary General of the Presidency.
[01:40:53] Just give it a name, brother. I mean, this is
[01:40:57] so much. "You are starting a process that you claim will bring
[01:41:00] prosperity to the country. From a lawyer's
[01:41:03] perspective, I mean, what kind of a board is this? I mean,
[01:41:07] the board that will include the Vice President,
[01:41:11] the ministers, the National Security uh, the Secretary General of the Presidency,
[01:41:14] and the Head of MIT. And there's also a board in the parliament.
[01:41:18] If they hadn't hidden this law
[01:41:22] from people, if they hadn't hidden
[01:41:25] this law from people."
[01:41:36] Because it was hidden from the public, it's so contradictory
[01:41:39] and incomplete. Normally, you give it to groups,
[01:41:43] and say, "Give your opinions within a week," right, professor? And then everyone there
[01:41:47] has their lawyers. Among 600 members of parliament, 120.
[01:41:50] There are many lawyers, of course. For example, they want them, they want them.
[01:41:53] We live in this country and we want to die here. For example, what
[01:41:57] can I say? For me, it's the same for you. For example, in my field, Ebru
[01:42:01] Baki is the same. I sit for 50 pages, for example, I prepare
[01:42:04] a detailed report, a business and external analysis, and send it. Now, it's such a thing that
[01:42:08] I inevitably want to touch upon two issues. One needs to know history.
[01:42:12] Now, here, for example, you are interested in the Mosul issue. And then
[01:42:15] you see that a man named Major Noel has come there and is throwing javelins.
[01:42:18] Intelligence, that is, intelligence comes from there.
[01:42:22] That is, Central Intelligence Service, for example,
[01:42:26] the CIA. Now, in Turkey, intelligence, that is, the National Intelligence
[01:42:29] Organization, we have called it intelligence, but in essence, it is a place of reason,
[01:42:33] a place of reasoning, mind games.
[01:42:37] Mind games need to be supported very much, and
[01:42:40] blood needs to come from outside. It should not be confined only to the inside.
[01:42:43] Now, here, for example, what happened? They started the Nestorian rebellion.
[01:42:47] While the Ottoman Empire was dealing with the Nestorian rebellion, that Mosul
[01:42:50] issue, that is, the Republic after the Ottoman Empire, during that process,
[01:42:53] while transitioning to the Republic, the Nestorian rebellion...
[01:42:57] While trying to suppress it, Mosul was lost. Now,
[01:43:01] it's such a thing that, for example, if something happens between Iran
[01:43:04] and America within a year or a year and a half, if an formation that is against
[01:43:08] Turkey shows signs of spreading to the region
[01:43:11] within the framework of Pejak and then
[01:43:14] infects Syria first and then Turkey,
[01:43:17] we are saying all these things so that they don't collapse like a house of cards.
[01:43:21] All necessary measures must be taken,
[01:43:24] and it is not shameful to ask the nation about this.
[01:43:27] "That is, for example,
[01:43:30] while the war continues, the parliament is open, right? That is,
[01:43:34] according to the figures given by Ferhoz Ahmet, there are 120 opposition deputies
[01:43:38] of Mustafa Kemal. They are criticizing him harshly. There are
[01:43:41] 120 opposition deputies. They will later express themselves, you know, in the
[01:43:45] Progressive Republican Party. Despite that, the parliament is open, the parliament is speaking,
[01:43:49] discussing. So, bring it to the parliament,
[01:43:52] let's discuss it. Why are you hiding it? What's in it?
[01:43:55] That is, the person signs it, okay, yes." The draft
[01:43:58] law is signed, it will come to the parliament, and it will probably be voted on Sunday
[01:44:02] in the parliament. He doesn't know the content. Then
[01:44:05] he goes on vacation. Even during this war, everyone knew everything, right?
[01:44:08] They were discussing. Selahattin Demirtaş, whom we know by touch,
[01:44:12] and those from the Kobane case may be released.
[01:44:15] It is stated that 2-3 people may be released. We don't know how many people
[01:44:19] will come, how many terrorists will come. Uh,
[01:44:22] such figures are given. It is reported
[01:44:25] that 3-4000 PKK members may be released. Uh, two boards
[01:44:29] will monitor. It was presented with 360 deputies. There will be political
[01:44:32] bans, 2 to 3 years, 5 and 10 years
[01:44:35] they will be monitored. MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli says,
[01:44:38] "Let this signature of mine
[01:44:42] be auspicious." He says that this process
[01:44:46] means the registration of a thousand years of brotherhood, and he states that everyone, regardless of their identity
[01:44:50] and language, benefited from this development.
[01:44:53] He says that in addition to 86 million citizens, the peoples of the Middle East
[01:44:57] will also win. He also states that
[01:45:00] it will contribute to external development and
[01:45:03] global and regional peace. Now, we
[01:45:06] have made these legal interpretations as a historical note. We left
[01:45:10] it there. Whoever wants to take it, takes it. Now, if we close this
[01:45:13] without saying this sentence, history will
[01:45:17] judge us. Were you going to say that Osman Kavala, Tayfun Kahraman,
[01:45:21] Can Atalay, now you are talking about social peace.
[01:45:24] Ekrem İmamoğlu's right to defense,
[01:45:27] the arrested mayors, Mrs. Pınar, who was strip-searched,
[01:45:31] etc. Aren't these part of this social peace?
[01:45:34] You can't not say
[01:45:36] it. You can't not ask.
[01:45:46] You are trying them without detention. You are enacting a law
[01:45:49] against a terrorist organization that 86 million people of this country
[01:45:53] have been fighting for 40 years, and you claim that
[01:45:56] we will achieve peace and prosperity with this.
[01:45:59] On the other hand, there are other children of your country,
[01:46:03] many things have happened to them. Legally,
[01:46:06] operations were conducted against them.
[01:46:18] There was no fair trial. The files
[01:46:21] of these people were not handled correctly. You say
[01:46:25] release these people, retry them if necessary, but not a single hair
[01:46:28] is moved for these people, and we will all be
[01:46:32] part of social peace. How will this happen?
[01:46:34] You are keeping Ekrem İmamoğlu inside,
[01:46:38] he wants to speak. You are not giving him his rights, and
[01:46:42] you are not moving a muscle for the right to defense of most of those people,
[01:46:45] for the problems in the investigation phase that most of those people
[01:46:49] experienced. None of these
[01:46:52] contribute to the social peace of this country.
[01:46:55] To compensate for these, this will not happen with just
[01:46:59] these 12 pages, with 12 articles. That is, if
[01:47:02] it is believed that AK Party members
[01:47:05] can really internalize this, if
[01:47:08] 12 million members can really internalize it, I have nothing else
[01:47:12] to say. That is, this is unacceptable, this is not a burden
[01:47:15] to bear. Look, this is not a burden to bear. You continuously apply
[01:47:19] the same stress, the same emphasis to one side,
[01:47:23] and then you come and say, "I will bring you back to political
[01:47:26] life, wrapped in cotton." Why don't you implement so many violation decisions
[01:47:30] made about Osman Kavala here? Why don't you implement the decision
[01:47:34] of the Constitutional Court regarding Tayfun Kahraman? Isn't Can Atalay a member
[01:47:37] of your parliament? Why don't
[01:47:41] you read the decision about this man in parliament?
[01:47:43] Is there a need for a law for this, for a regulation? Why do the trustees
[01:47:47] continue?
[01:47:50] These questions will naturally come to people's minds,
[01:47:53] and they will ask them. You can't not ask them, you can't
[01:47:57] not comment. He received life imprisonment for a case he was acquitted of.
[01:48:01] They say he was acquitted, and then he goes back in again and
[01:48:04] receives life imprisonment. Now, this is very, very, for example,
[01:48:07] they are extending the
[01:48:10] periods of trustees. Brother, you don't need a law for this. Reinstate him to his duty.
[01:48:13] What's in it? For example, reinstate Zeydan Karalar,
[01:48:16] reinstate Ahmet Türk. You don't
[01:48:20] need a law for this.
[01:48:24] You don't need a regulation. The Ministry of Interior makes that decision. Let
[01:48:27] Mustafa Çiftçi not extend it, and let him reinstate those he dismissed.
[01:48:31] Let it be over. Why don't you do this, for example? But at
[01:48:35] this point, MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli underlined that there is no
[01:48:38] status for Öcalan, etc., Mr. However, within the framework of the law, this
[01:48:41] is not possible. Visitors can increase. He said, "I
[01:48:45] am communicating with Demirtaş through his lawyers, and I am receiving news."
[01:48:48] He said, "Our relationship is good. We already worked together under the same roof."
[01:48:52] said MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli. Therefore, there
[01:48:55] may be a release for Demirtaş and Figen Yüksekdağ.
[01:48:59] Uh, that is, a hundred years of brotherhood
[01:49:03] is being registered. 86 million are winning, he says. Uh,
[01:49:07] these are true, so a process is ending. We will no longer
[01:49:10] receive news of martyrs. We will now look to the future more comfortably. That is,
[01:49:13] no one says let terrorism continue, of course. It should
[01:49:16] be so, of course. Let it strengthen, that is, look,
[01:49:19] let it strengthen in the region, in the region, in the region. It concerns Turkey very closely.
[01:49:29] Both concern NATO very closely. Uh, it concerns the Eurasian policies
[01:49:32] of global powers. That is, if we strike
[01:49:35] Iran, the United States says we will weaken Russia. If
[01:49:39] we support Ukraine, Russia and Iran will weaken together. If Russia
[01:49:42] and Iran weaken together, this time we will prevent
[01:49:46] them from giving support to China in the Asia-Pacific War tomorrow. If
[01:49:49] we prevent them from giving support to China, If
[01:50:25] justice and conscience do not find a place
[01:50:28] within us, you call
[01:50:31] the commission's name "solidarity," "social integration,"
[01:50:34] but unfortunately, polarization continues. Unfortunately, polarization continues.
[01:50:38] This won't do. Of course, everyone wants terrorism to end.
[01:50:42] While these people are inside, there will be releases. That is, people won't feel
[01:50:45] bitter. The numbers change every year, but it's well over 2 trillion dollars. Of course,
[01:50:49] the amount Turkey lost is 84.
[01:50:52] Turkey has been fighting terrorism intensely. All the 35-40 year
[01:50:56] old generation currently involved are the generation
[01:50:59] that grew up with terrorism. They have always seen it. What did it cost us? What did we lose?
[01:51:03] Can I say something? Symbolically, if they had put
[01:51:06] such an article to appease the conscience of this nation,
[01:51:10] to cool the heart of this nation, symbolically,
[01:51:13] even that could have been effective.
[01:51:16] There is a picture of 2.3 trillion dollars
[01:51:20] in material damage,
[01:51:22] and thousands of our people massacred. If they had said that these
[01:51:26] members of the terrorist organization who will come
[01:51:30] will be employed in public works for a year free of charge,
[01:51:32] if they had gone, if they had cleaned,
[01:51:36] if they had collected garbage, the Italian Prime Minister did that for a while.
[01:51:40] As workers, if they had worked on asphalt,
[01:51:43] at least people would say, "You are taking a step
[01:51:46] for peace for this country, and these
[01:51:50] are also serving."
[01:51:57] This people built the schools. Let them come at least.
[01:52:04] Let them work there for a year. This people
[01:52:07] did these things. Let them work, what would happen?
[01:52:11] Let them come here and clean the garbage, clean
[01:52:14] the cesspool. Let them feel a sense of shame.
[01:52:17] You commit all the crimes and then
[01:52:21] you come into politics.
[01:52:26] Just a few steps, you know, you say come into politics. Just a few steps for this
[01:52:30] people to show that look,
[01:52:33] 2.3 trillion in damages, thousands of our people's blood,
[01:52:36] there is responsibility. I, at least, while doing this, for a year,
[01:52:39] I made you collect your garbage. Let them say this, let people's consciences be a little soothed.
[01:52:43] You can't do anything by giving so much to one side. Let them say that it served the country,
[01:52:47] at least. Let them say
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[02:00:19] We are continuing, we have entered the last hour.
[02:00:22] Now, uh, today, tomorrow, and
[02:00:25] probably this weekend, uh, the new
[02:00:29] legal framework in the process of a Turkey without terrorism, the bill
[02:00:32] for national solidarity and social integration, the name of this
[02:00:36] framework law, the bill,
[02:00:39] is expected to come to the commission tomorrow. It was submitted to the Speaker of the Parliament
[02:00:43] with the signatures of 360 deputies, in terms of style and
[02:00:46] procedure.
[02:01:18] "He repeated his words. He stated that his meetings
[02:01:21] with Selahattin Demirtaş continued through his lawyers.
[02:01:24] He said, "We had already worked together
[02:01:26] under the same roof in parliament."
[02:01:30] He said, "This is a state project." He said that he did not
[02:01:33] hold a group meeting or make a statement because
[02:01:37] the President and the Speaker of the Parliament
[02:01:40] are working intensely on this issue, and he did not want to stand in the way
[02:01:43] of these efforts, because this is a state project.
[02:01:47] He used the expression that
[02:01:50] his opinion has not changed.
[02:01:53] That is, he states that his view of "Demirtaş should return
[02:01:57] home, return to his family, Ahmet should return to his duty, and Öcalan to hope"
[02:02:00] has not changed. At this point,
[02:02:03] the framework law bill does not foresee
[02:02:07] a status for Öcalan. Since it does not cover crimes
[02:02:10] committed before 2005, the so-called high-ranking leaders
[02:02:14] of the terrorist organization are also excluded
[02:02:18] from this framework bill. Only AK Party Group Chairman Güler
[02:02:22] stated that the meeting traffic could increase, and that academics
[02:02:25] and journalists could also go and meet, and that an administrative arrangement
[02:02:29] would be sufficient for this. That is, there is no status
[02:02:33] or any right for Öcalan. This is not included in the law,
[02:02:37] but it is stated by the AK Party Group Chairman
[02:02:40] that an environment where the meeting traffic will increase and
[02:02:43] meetings can be held more easily can be provided.
[02:02:47] Those who committed intentional homicide,
[02:02:49] I guess, including sexual crimes,
[02:02:53] are excluded from this law. Those
[02:02:56] prosecuted for intentional homicide before 2005
[02:02:59] and who received less than 15 years will be monitored
[02:03:03] for 5 years, and those who received more than 15 years
[02:03:06] will be monitored for 10 years. Political bans will continue
[02:03:09] for 2 and 3 years. With the release of names
[02:03:12] like Selahattin Demirtaş and Figen Yüksekdağ,
[02:03:16] 2-3 PKK members are also expected to be released. Two monitoring
[02:03:20] boards are being formed. These monitoring boards will be established
[02:03:23] under the coordination of a Vice President and in parliament.
[02:03:26] The roadmap has been shaped this way. In summary,
[02:03:29] we can explain the legal
[02:03:32] framework like this. But Afşin Hatipoğlu said there are shortcomings.
[02:03:35] Who will monitor those shortcomings one by one? That is, where
[02:03:39] will these people, these terrorists, apply when they come? And
[02:03:42] also, those who work here, those who sign, will they be immune
[02:03:46] from legal prosecution? Well, if there are any
[02:03:49] shortcomings, if there are any mistakes, if there are any irregularities,
[02:03:52] then how will this immunity come before us? We have also
[02:03:56] raised all these question marks and questions within the framework
[02:04:00] of this program to the commission's work. Perhaps
[02:04:03] answers will come at that point. Of course, we will follow up. That is,
[02:04:06] lawyers also point out some question marks,
[02:04:09] shortcomings. Afşin Hatipoğlu also stated this.
[02:04:12] Would you make a headline about that shortcoming?
[02:04:15] "You cannot
[02:04:19] achieve this goal
[02:04:21] with this text. It is difficult to achieve
[02:04:25] this goal with this text. You cannot achieve it.
[02:04:28] Well, there is also an international aspect, of course. At
[02:04:31] that point, Professor Doctor Mithat Baydur draws attention
[02:04:35] to an important point. He says that these terrorists
[02:04:38] from Syria, Iraq, Europe,
[02:04:41] now there is Pejak in Iran, which includes the PKK,
[02:04:45] KCK, and other terrorist organizations.
[02:05:00] if there is a unification, and tomorrow it is used for Iran's internal
[02:05:03] conflict, is a measure being taken against such a danger or not?
[02:05:07] As a possibility, that is,
[02:05:10] the US-Israeli axis, which often says to Iran, "come, let's
[02:05:14] sit at the table and make a compromise," and then "I've changed my mind,
[02:05:17] I'm starting attacks again," says that this struggle with
[02:05:20] Iran will continue for a long time.
[02:05:24] Based on this, I am saying that there is a possibility
[02:05:27] that this new arrangement in Syria,
[02:05:31] that is, in Turkey, this Turkey without terrorism
[02:05:34] and the region within the KCK framework, which includes Syria
[02:05:38] and Northern Iraq, and Kandil,
[02:05:40] could actually create an accumulation in
[02:05:44] Pejak in Iran, and could be used against
[02:05:47] Iran in the future. I am saying this as a possibility.
[02:05:50] Regionally,
[02:05:54] there could be such a risk, such a possibility could arise.
[02:05:57] He conveyed
[02:06:15] on the economy. Let's see what our situation
[02:06:19] is, what we are experiencing in this process,
[02:06:22] how it contributes to us. Now,
[02:06:25] regarding Iran, US President Trump
[02:06:29] first said, "I will attack Iran again,
[02:06:32] I am starting attacks again." From that statement,
[02:06:36] the situation evolved to "we have restarted negotiations
[02:06:39] with Iran, the missiles have stopped, the attacks are over,
[02:06:42] negotiations are continuing." This happened from
[02:06:45] the period when the attacks started
[02:06:49] and oil prices rose above 90 dollars to 95-96 dollars,
[02:06:52] and then it evolved into a process
[02:06:56] that brought oil prices below 80 dollars. Oil prices
[02:07:05] were rising fast, and we brought diesel prices up to 82-83 liras in Antalya and the Eastern
[02:07:08] and Southeastern Anatolian provinces. In Istanbul,
[02:07:12] there was a diesel price of over 80 liras per liter.
[02:07:15] Now, uh, oil prices rose above 90
[02:07:18] dollars, and we rapidly increased prices. However,
[02:07:22] now that oil prices are falling, we expect them to fall here too, but it doesn't happen that way.
[02:07:26] We have a tax debt, you know, in the eşel mobile system,
[02:07:30] the increases were covered by taxes, right? Now, the discounts are also going to the budget
[02:07:33] as taxes, to the treasury. Therefore, in a sense, we are paying
[02:07:37] our tax debt. Uh, we always pay, the citizens always pay,
[02:07:40] you know, the debt is always the citizens'. Some people
[02:07:44] win, some people pay. We are the ones who say "on biyo". Now,
[02:07:48] last week, uh, oil, which had risen above 90 dollars
[02:07:51] in recent days, fell below 80 dollars,
[02:07:55] but there was no change in diesel or gasoline prices.
[02:07:58] Only 1 lira and 5 kuruş discount came for diesel.
[02:08:01] Gasoline is staying the same, LPG has already increased,
[02:08:05] it is staying the same. Uh, diesel could only drop by 1 lira and 5 kuruş.
[02:08:08] Actually, we had a discount of 6.37
[02:08:12] kuruş, but since we paid the tax debt, only 1 lira and 5
[02:08:15] kuruş was reflected on the pump. Then, last night,
[02:08:19] there was a discount of over 3 liras, even close to 4 liras,
[02:08:22] but that discount was not reflected at all. Diesel,
[02:08:26] gasoline, and LPG prices remained the same.
[02:08:30] Diesel is 80 liras in Istanbul, 81 liras
[02:08:33] in Ankara, 81 lira and 32 kuruş in Izmir, and we will reduce
[02:08:36] inflation, right? Gasoline is sold at prices
[02:08:40] ranging from 67 liras to 68, 69 liras. LPG is
[02:08:43] sold at around 33 to 50 liras. Nothing
[02:08:47] changes for us. Of course. Our inflation also
[02:08:50] got stuck at 30-31. Of course. Now, for example,
[02:08:53] gold prices in America are also like that. Now, what happens? For example,
[02:08:57] when world oil prices, as you said, suddenly rose
[02:09:01] to over 90, the American people also said,
[02:09:04] "Ah, this means that inflation will
[02:09:08] rise."
[02:09:08] The Fed will not cut interest rates.
[02:09:12] Well, if the Fed doesn't cut interest rates, what will happen? Interest rates,
[02:09:16] let alone fall, may even rise. Uh, this time,
[02:09:19] what happens? Uh, it happens, of course. That is, uh,
[02:09:23] given the possibility that interest rates will
[02:09:25] not fall, when there is an agreement, there is
[02:09:29] such a wobble again in gold prices and so on. That is, it's the same
[02:09:33] in the world. Now, diesel, uh, let's say they transport
[02:09:36] goods from Antalya in the South to Istanbul
[02:09:40] and Ankara. What will happen if diesel prices don't fall for goods
[02:09:44] brought by trucks? That is, inflation will remain
[02:09:47] at 26 or 28 for a long time,
[02:09:51] there was an expectation that it would fall.
[02:09:54] This indicates that it will remain stuck at 31-32
[02:09:57] for a long time, unfortunately. Winter is coming.
[02:10:01] There are natural gas prices with graded pricing. Now we
[02:10:03] are we are paying for this, so because
[02:10:07] we have a tax debt for gasoline prices, the tax support given
[02:10:10] to us in the mobile system. Since we paid it, it was paid back
[02:10:14] to the treasury, so if you add up the discount
[02:10:17] we received, how much was the discount? It was close to 10 liras.
[02:10:20] It even passed. 1 lira and 5 kurus reflected on our fuel. Think about it.
[02:10:24] A tax payment of approximately 14.5 to
[02:10:27] 15 trillion liras is made. So,
[02:10:31] a large income item of the treasury consists of the taxes
[02:10:34] paid by the citizens. Those taxes,
[02:10:38] where are they going? They are going to interest.
[02:10:42] "This period we said 1.4 trillion liras, until the end of the year, we will
[02:10:45] pay 2.7 trillion, even more interest. Our
[02:10:48] taxes are going to interest, and also to treasury guarantees.
[02:10:51] How much has gone? I am conveying the point
[02:10:54] indicated by the data collected from the highways.
[02:10:58] The payment made for the transit guarantee to the companies
[02:11:01] operating bridges and motorways has approached 50 billion liras
[02:11:05] in the first 6 months. The estimated payment for the end
[02:11:08] of the year is 103.2 billion liras." In city
[02:11:12] hospitals, the bill is getting a bit higher.
[02:11:15] We paid 70.2 billion liras as rent and service fees
[02:11:19] during the January-June period. Therefore,
[02:11:22] while the payment made for bridges, motorways, and city
[02:11:26] hospitals in 2025 was 196.2 billion liras,
[02:11:28] the total payment for city hospitals, bridges, and motorways
[02:11:32] in the January-June period of this year alone exceeded 120 billion
[02:11:35] liras in 6 months. It is certain
[02:11:38] that we will make a much higher payment than this at the
[02:11:42] end of the year. So, we are not eating, not drinking.
[02:11:46] We are paying billions of liras for bridge,
[02:11:49] motorway transit guarantees and
[02:11:52] city hospitals. Weren't we supposed to not spend
[02:11:56] money from our pockets? But the interest
[02:12:00] we will pay at the end of the year, even all
[02:12:03] these city hospitals and motorways, even the
[02:12:06] motorways, account for 5% of the
[02:12:09] interest. So, the interest we will pay at the end of the year
[02:12:13] accounts for 5%. What kind of interest entanglement,
[02:12:16] what kind of interest trouble and disaster
[02:12:20] is this? It is a grave consequence
[02:12:23] olmanın hazim bir sonucudur ki, yani o kadar çok otoyol,
[02:12:27] bilmem ne köprüleri sayıyorsun, sayıyorsun, yıl sonundaki faizin sadece %5'i
[02:12:31] bu, yani 2 trilyon işte 320
[02:12:34] milyar civarında bir faiz ödeyecek Türkiye, çok büyük bir rakkam, çok
[02:12:38] büyük rakam, çok büyük bir rakkam, hem faiz ödüyorsunuz, hem garantiler ödüyorsun.
[02:12:42] hem de kamudaki harcamalar kadar büyümüş ki eee o
[02:12:46] büyüklük küçülemediği için de bir yandan da o harcamalara giderlere
[02:12:50] gidiyor eee bir yandan da eee işte bütün mesela bütçede
[02:12:54] diyorsunuz ki yer yok emekliye zam eee 70
[02:12:58] milyar lira mesela diyorsunuz ki 76 milyar lira en düşük emekli
[02:13:01] maaşını arttırdığımızda 70 milyar lira civarında
[02:13:04] bir maliyet oluşuyor diyorsunuz ama siz eee daha 6 ayda
[02:13:08] eee 120 milyar lira
[02:13:11] ödemişsiniz. hazine garantisi ve şehir hastanelerine,
[02:13:15] köprü ve otoyolları için ve şehir hastaneleri için?
[02:13:18] tabii, yani 70 milyar liranın iki katından, iki katına yakın ödeme
[02:13:22] yapmışsınız, aynen öyle, yani bunu emekliye de
[02:13:26] verebilirdiniz,
[02:13:29] the January simulations
[02:13:30] are being done.
[02:13:33] So, both for the minimum wage and for the raises to be given to civil servants
[02:13:37] and retired civil servants, it is understood that they will
[02:13:41] again remain below inflation, and those who pay the price
[02:13:44] against all this interest and inflation will again
[02:13:48] be those with fixed incomes and minimum wages, unfortunately.
[02:13:51] For example, when you look at it, it's 28,000, right?
[02:13:55] They still have to wait until January. How long is that?
[02:13:58] We just entered August. August, September, October, November,
[02:14:02] December. There are 5 months left, 5 months.
[02:14:05] The minimum wage is 28,075 liras.
[02:14:08] This is a normal hunger threshold.
[02:14:12] Turkish business figures reached 36,940 liras.
[02:14:16] It became 36,940. It approached 37.
[02:14:19] In the meantime, the minimum wage. What is the poverty line?
[02:14:22] 120,625. 120,625 liras is the poverty
[02:14:25] line. Yes. If 4 people work for minimum wage, they cannot
[02:14:28] be poor. Exactly. They can't. Retirees can't
[02:14:32] even get close to poverty. And there's this, of course,
[02:14:35] that is, the minimum wage
[02:14:37] you mentioned has been reduced by almost
[02:14:39] 2 minimum wages.
[02:14:52] So, it will drop to 19,500 until a raise is given.
[02:14:55] It will be around 19,500. Exactly. For example, in
[02:14:58] one month, the retirement pension was 22,
[02:15:01] the retirement pension became 23,552 liras, the lowest
[02:15:05] retirement pension, and 419 liras flew away in one
[02:15:08] month, because inflation was 1.78. No, private sector
[02:15:28] owners, industrialists are unhappy, workers are unhappy,
[02:15:31] you go to the market, producers are unhappy,
[02:15:34] "Sister, do you know what we're going through?" says the market
[02:15:37] vendor and so on. You go to the farmer, the farmer says, "I haven't
[02:15:40] paid my debt as a producer, I'm going to sell one of my two
[02:15:44] tractors." Consumers are unhappy, students
[02:15:47] are unhappy, teachers are unhappy. So,
[02:15:50] who is happy? Who is happy? Can there be such a system?
[02:15:54] A system that aims to make everyone unhappy,
[02:15:57] everyone unhappy. Everyone is unhappy, producers,
[02:16:01] consumers, sellers, intermediaries, commissioners,
[02:16:04] farmers, everyone is unhappy. This is something terrible,
[02:16:08] something terrible, really terrible. Now, for example, you say
[02:16:12] retirement pensions, you say "I will take it from Echelmobil."
[02:16:15] You say, "I brought it to the Echelmobil system, now
[02:16:19] I will take the tax discounts as tax, I will take it back
[02:16:22] to the treasury." You are closing that tax gap. "Citizens already
[02:16:26] pay high taxes, it goes to interest, to treasury guarantees,
[02:16:29] to bridges, motorways, city hospitals. There's no money
[02:16:32] when it comes to raising salaries for retirees, for
[02:16:36] citizens, for wage earners. But our expenses, along
[02:16:40] with interest, are very high. We also have inflation,
[02:16:43] salaries are melting away. People are trying to pay
[02:16:47] their taxes and balance the treasury budget with
[02:16:50] those low salaries. This is the situation. I am presenting
[02:16:53] you the data from the highways." Bonds are being sold
[02:16:57] at 36% interest. So, the state itself doesn't believe it.
[02:17:00] If inflation is going to fall, why are you borrowing for
[02:17:04] 10 years at over 130%? So, why are you getting into
[02:17:08] this borrowing in the first place? It fell from over 60.
[02:17:11] It fell, okay, it fell. The expectation is that it fell,
[02:17:15] but it was around 53, I guess. I don't know, maybe if it fell,
[02:17:19] it's below 50, around 49. In expectation surveys, the
[02:17:22] public's inflation expectation is perhaps slightly above or
[02:17:25] below 50. It never approaches 30, meaning the public's
[02:17:29] surveys. So, when you can't break the inflation expectation,
[02:17:32] right? An important parameter is expectation.
[02:17:36] When you can't break the expectation, then everyone
[02:17:40] takes a position that inflation will always be high.
[02:17:44] This position-taking also leads to more buying,
[02:17:48] putting a little aside, and so on. So,
[02:17:51] when they choose to bring forward their potential consumption,
[02:17:55] this somewhat fuels demand, even if their income is limited.
[02:17:58] So, what happens? Turkey really needs to break out of this vicious
[02:18:02] cycle. For example, I would have expected the new party
[02:18:06] to come up with a development and economic model without
[02:18:09] foreign debt. There are very valuable economists among
[02:18:13] them. When you look at it, the Justice and Development
[02:18:16] Party took it from 122 billion dollars and brought
[02:18:20] it to around 516-520 billion dollars in 26
[02:18:23] years. How will this foreign debt be paid? You're covering
[02:18:26] debt with debt. We say 2 trillion 320 billion. Next
[02:18:29] year, it will probably exceed 3 trillion, because you're
[02:18:33] covering debt with debt, and you're borrowing at over
[02:18:37] 40% in the short term. Last time, you borrowed at 42%.
[02:18:41] It's like the state has 4 credit cards, and a normal citizen
[02:18:44] draws from one credit card to pay the other. The state is doing
[02:18:48] the same, taking from one to pay the other, borrowing again,
[02:18:52] covering debt with debt. Is it normal to have 700 new
[02:18:55] enforcement files every day? A thousand enforcement files
[02:18:59] per hour, a thousand per hour. So, if there are 8 hours of work for an officer, that's
[02:19:02] 8,000 a day, 240,000 a month,
[02:19:05] and around 2.5 million a year. It's accumulating every year.
[02:19:09] There are also closed files, of course, Mr. Afşin, there
[02:19:13] are also closed files. If there were 2.5 million every year,
[02:19:17] it would reach 80 million, but it's around 25-26 million.
[02:19:21] There are also closed ones, but 100 files are opened per hour.
[02:19:25] These are official figures. So, what kind of a situation is
[02:19:29] this? 100 enforcement files in one hour. Look at the
[02:19:32] gravity of the situation. 51% are indebted. Very highly
[02:19:35] indebted. Thank God, in our constitution,
[02:19:39] you cannot give a freedom- restricting sentence for debts
[02:19:41] arising from contracts. If such a thing existed,
[02:19:44] today, hundreds of thousands of people in this country
[02:19:48] would be imprisoned due to debt relations.
[02:19:51] There is a huge problem with debt loyalty.
[02:19:55] There are two reasons for this. One is that people
[02:19:59] knowingly incur debt that they cannot pay. That's bad.
[02:20:02] They exhibit such an attitude. And also, there are well-
[02:20:06] intentioned debtors who think they will pay but
[02:20:09] cannot finish the job. In this country, a certain
[02:20:12] segment has determined a procedure. They clear
[02:20:16] themselves up to a certain level with high Findex scores
[02:20:18] and bring them in. Then
[02:20:22] they borrow large sums from banks, third parties,
[02:20:25] and the market, and disappear from the market.
[02:20:28] And these chains ruin or affect
[02:20:31] the people connected to them. These are
[02:20:34] very clear problems in our country, but unfortunately,
[02:20:38] because they keep us busy with very empty matters,
[02:20:41] with issues that show nothing when filled,
[02:20:44] we cannot address these real problems, these real
[02:20:48] issues. Look, in our country, over 20
[02:20:51] million title deed transactions are made.
[02:20:54] 22-23 million title deed transactions are made. Approximately
[02:20:58] 25% of these are sales transactions. This is the general rough draft.
[02:21:02] So, there are almost 5 million sales
[02:21:06] in our country. There are almost 5 million real estate
[02:21:09] sales. In a year. This is not 1 million,
[02:21:12] you're talking about 5 million real estate properties.
[02:21:16] It includes land, yes, land, housing, etc., fields.
[02:21:20] uğraştırdıkları için altı doldurulduğunda
[02:21:23] 10-15% of these are mortgage transactions. Why
[02:21:26] are mortgage transactions important? In almost all financial
[02:21:30] transactions, commercial counterparts,
[02:21:33] mortgages are involved. That's why in our
[02:21:37] country, around 2 million, maybe slightly more,
[02:21:40] mortgage transactions are made annually,
[02:21:42] and these mortgage transactions are transactions made to
[02:21:46] generate money. The equivalent of a mortgage
[02:21:50] is credit, the equivalent
[02:21:58] volume in real terms. However, because there is
[02:22:01] a huge difference between the registered economy
[02:22:05] and the unregistered economy, the sectors that our
[02:22:10] professor mentioned are unhappy. Workers are
[02:22:13] unhappy, farmers are unhappy. We see these, but
[02:22:23] way or another. They continue to sell houses.
[02:22:27] They buy cars. Even though it's less and prices
[02:22:30] are falling, they don't give up buying cars. The number
[02:22:34] of car rental companies is increasing. People
[02:22:37] rent cars, because in our country, the economy
[02:22:40] is somehow not desired to be kept
[02:22:43] within the registered system. From what I understand,
[02:22:47] in this state system, we desire a system
[02:22:51] supported by inflation and an unregistered economy.
[02:22:54] Otherwise, with the data you presented,
[02:22:57] with the data Ebru Hanım shared in the news,
[02:23:00] a country should rise up and say, "We are hungry,
[02:23:03] we can't make ends meet, we are dead, we are finished,
[02:23:06] we are in the streets." But such a situation
[02:23:10] is not the case, because people have a visible life,
[02:23:14] a registered life, and an invisible unregistered
[02:23:17] life, and they have a financial support that
[02:23:21] they truly rely on to sustain their lives.
[02:23:30] The land registry data I mentioned
[02:23:32] are officially announced data. This is not
[02:23:36] a small amount of data. Look, in a country
[02:23:40] with 86 million people, 5 million land sales
[02:23:43] per year means that approximately one
[02:23:47] in 8 people sells a land
[02:23:50] property. This can happen more than once,
[02:23:54] but it shows that millions of people are somehow
[02:23:58] making real estate sales and purchases.
[02:24:01] And did you know that the ban on cash
[02:24:05] payments for title deed sales has been extended
[02:24:08] to October? In Turkey, it is legal to pay
[02:24:12] cash for title deed sales. There is communique
[02:24:15] no. 213. And if individuals wish, they
[02:24:19] can give all their money in cash. This is legal.
[02:24:22] This is among the articles that are exceptions to bank
[02:24:25] transfers. Up to the point that in the land registry regulation,
[02:24:29] why am I explaining this? I'm explaining
[02:24:33] how we have a system that paves the way for the unregistered economy.
[02:24:38] According to the land registry regulation, according to the
[02:24:41] land registry legislation, if you want to sell a
[02:24:44] house today, even if its value is 10 million,
[02:24:48] let's say at the Şişli Land Registry Office, you
[02:24:51] can entrust that money to the land registry officer.
[02:24:55] After the parties complete the transaction, the Land
[02:24:58] Registry Officer can give the money to the recipient.
[02:25:01] These are living legal cash. I'm talking
[02:25:05] about cash. This is legal
[02:25:07] in our land registry legislation. Why did you explain this?
[02:25:11] I explained these for this reason: the unregistered economy
[02:25:15] is being encouraged in this country. I understand.
[02:25:17] How can you track cash? You can't.
[02:25:21] You can't, that's what I'm explaining. He tells
[02:25:25] me, "Go withdraw money and bring it." Every time
[02:25:27] I go, but there's this. Before even getting to the
[02:25:31] title deed, every time you enter, he says, "Withdraw
[02:25:35] money and bring cash." And the 200 lira
[02:25:38] banknote is the largest. So, if he withdraws 10,000,
[02:25:41] if you still consider cash legal in Turkey, where
[02:25:44] verebilir, bunlar canlı yasal nakit
[02:25:48] paradan bahsediyorum, bu bizim tapu.
[02:25:52] mevzuatımız da hukukidir, niye anlattınız bunu? bunları şunun için anlattım, bu memlekette kayıt
[02:25:56] dışılık teşvik ediliyor, anladım, siz elden
[02:25:59] parayı nasıl takip edebilirsiniz? edemezsiniz
[02:26:02] ki, edemezsiniz, onu anlatıyorum, bana diyor, git para çek getir diyor
[02:26:06] gittiğim her, ama şöyle bir şey var tabuya
[02:26:10] gelmeden daha girdiğin her para çek getir nakit getir diyor
[02:26:13] bana bir de 200 lira en büyük
[02:26:16] baknot topladı yani 10.000 çekse.
[02:26:30] Sen hala Türkiye'de 5 milyon tapu satışı 23 milyon tapu
[02:26:33] işlemi olan bir yerde hala elden parayı yasal kabul
[02:26:36] ediyorsan ben nasıl diyebilirim ki sen kayıt dışı
[02:26:39] ekonomiyi teşvik etmiyorsun bas baya
[02:26:42] ediyorsun işte peki bu bir orada bir hata yok değil mi şimdi şöyle bir
[02:26:46] şey benim mesleğim ondan söylüyorum hocam tabii hayır yani %2'yi
[02:27:01] alan veriyor %2'yi şimdi bunun makbusunu götürdüğünüz zaman yani diyelim ki bir kamu
[02:27:05] bankası olsun bu ziraat bankası olsun ziraat bankasına siz alan ve
[02:27:09] satan %2 evin değeri üzerinden vergi
[02:27:11] yatırdığınızda bunun akibeti ne oldu diye iban
[02:27:14] üzerinden devlet bunu kontrol etmek zorunda değil mi maliye bunu
[02:27:18] eğer ortada kredi yoksa.
[02:27:20] "takip edebileceği bir müessese yok, bizde tapu satışının
[02:27:23] değeri belediye raiç değerinden yapılır,
[02:27:27] bugün bulunduğumuz yer neresi burası, bakırköy,
[02:27:30] zeytinburnu her neyse, buradaki belediyeye gidersin, ben bu
[02:27:34] daireyi satmak istiyorum, emlak borcun varsa onu ödettirir
[02:27:37] sana, belediye raiş değeri verir, belediye raiş
[02:27:41] değerleri ile piyasa değerleri arasında 5 kata
[02:27:44] yakın, bazı yerlerde 10-15 kata yakın fark
[02:27:47] vardır, siz sadece bunu. beyan etmekle
[02:27:50] mükellefsiniz, 3 milyon liralık satış gösteriyorsunuz,
[02:27:54] yasal devlet diyor ki, bana diyor raiç değeri göster yeter, 3
[02:27:57] milyonu gösteriyorsun resmi senede, 3 milyon
[02:28:00] üzerinden %2 %2 %4'ten 120.000 lira
[02:28:04] harcı yatırıyorsun, değer gerçekte satış değeri 15
[02:28:07] milyon, o 12 milyon ne oluyor, demin onu
[02:28:10] anlattım, 12 milyonu ben hocam hayırlı olsun, evin
[02:28:14] hayrını görürsün diye sizden elden
[02:28:16] almam yasal, bunu anlatıyorum, anladım. ve
[02:28:20] bu bunu kısıtlayan bir şey yok diyor teşvik ediyor, istisna
[02:28:23] tutmuş, tebliğ numarası söylüyorum, 213
[02:28:27] numaralı vergi tebliği, burada
[02:28:35] tespit edebileceksiniz, yani kayıt dışıyla mücadeleyi
[02:28:38] there are 5 million
[02:28:41] title deed sales and 23 million title deed transactions,
[02:28:45] how can I say that you are not encouraging the unregistered
[02:28:48] economy? You are clearly encouraging it. So,
[02:28:52] there's no mistake there, right? Now, let me tell you something
[02:28:55] about my profession, professor. Of course, no, I mean,
[02:28:58] the one who takes 2% gives 2%. Now, when you take
[02:29:02] this receipt, let's say it's a public bank, Ziraat
[02:29:05] Bank. When you deposit 2% of the house's value
[02:29:07] as tax,
[02:29:40] will give you a fair value. There is a difference of
[02:29:43] almost 5 times, in some places even 10-15 times, between
[02:29:46] municipal fair values and market values. You are
[02:29:55] the fair value." You show 3 million in the official
[02:29:58] deed. You pay 120,000 liras in fees, which is 2%
[02:30:02] + 2% = 4% of 3 million. The actual sales value
[02:30:05] is 15 million. What happens to that 12 million?
[02:30:09] I explained that earlier. I can legally take
[02:30:13] the 12 million from you in cash, saying, "Congratulations,
[02:30:17] may you benefit from your house." I'm explaining this.
[02:30:20] I understand. And there's nothing restricting
[02:30:22] this. It's encouraging it.
[02:30:25] It has made an exception. I'm giving you the communique
[02:30:29] number: Tax Communique No. 213. It has made
[02:30:32] an exception here. How will you be able to detect such
[02:30:36] a gap? How will you be able to detect it? So,
[02:30:39] as long as you don't fight the unregistered economy
[02:30:43] completely, the tax burden on citizens will keep increasing.
[02:30:47] Some people will be comfortable, and everyone in the registered
[02:30:50] economy will be breathless and bear the burden on their
[02:30:54] shoulders. It's very simple. A fair value of 3 million
[02:30:58] brings 120,000 liras in fees. If there were a sale of
[02:31:01] 30 million and it was truly
[02:31:04] declared, it would bring 1,200,000 liras in fees.
[02:31:07] There's a loss of 900,000. Citizens pay tax on everything
[02:31:09] they buy. All basic food items, including cosmetics,
[02:31:13] including cleaning supplies, they pay tax. In every
[02:31:38] the income tax part. The income tax part also
[02:31:41] decreases. People have found a way to not pay tax,
[02:31:44] and with large sums of money, they pay less tax. But
[02:31:48] citizens, with their meager salaries, continue
[02:31:52] to contribute to the treasury by paying incredible taxes.
[02:31:55] Hatipoğlu is talking about the injustice here. He says,
[02:31:59] "You buy a house and you avoid taxes from everywhere. You're
[02:32:01] talking about a 30 million lira house, but you're not
[02:32:05] tracking whether the fees, etc., for the 30 million
[02:32:09] lira house were paid via bank transfer or IBAN, how much
[02:32:12] money was sent." That citizen is educating his child in
[02:32:16] America. I'm telling you these as real stories.
[02:32:18] He sends 2,000 dollars. They make you fill out 4
[02:32:22] papers at the bank, you know, "I'm sending it to my daughter,
[02:32:25] she's studying there," and so on. "How many years has she
[02:32:29] been studying? How many years will she study?" It's a comedy.
[02:32:32] Can it be such a comedy? Now, in July, real estate
[02:32:36] sales will probably fall in parallel with this
[02:32:40] title deed data and housing data.
[02:32:43] Yes, housing data will come next week,
[02:32:46] either tomorrow or next week. This is also related to
[02:32:50] rising interest rates. It's related to rising
[02:32:53] interest rates, and gold is now picking up a
[02:32:56] bit. And prices have risen so much that people
[02:33:00] no longer have the strength to buy. If they take out
[02:33:03] a loan, they pay 100,000 liras for 3 million.
[02:33:06] Look, I worked for 10 years at the
[02:33:10] General Directorate of Land Registry and Cadastre.
[02:33:13] I also worked at National Real Estate for a short period.
[02:33:17] Because I worked in the central system here,
[02:33:20] I saw how real estate changed hands as a bureaucrat.
[02:33:23] In our country, there is real estate that changes
[02:33:26] hands three times in the same day. Three times in the
[02:33:29] same day. Now, this is an investment tool. Real estate
[02:33:39] is an investment tool in our lands. Normally,
[02:33:43] in accounting, real estate is classified as a fixed
[02:33:46] asset. Its name says fixed asset. Here, it is used
[02:33:50] like a current asset, like liquid, like gold,
[02:33:53] like money, like a check. It constantly changes hands.
[02:33:57] Real estate. Look, we talked about the Ahbap
[02:34:00] investigation here, didn't
[02:34:03] we? What is at its core, materially? Real estate.
[02:34:06] Real estate is at the
[02:34:08] core of loan sharking.
[02:34:11] Real estate is at the The wife
[02:34:14] doesn't everyone find a way to make a living and continue
[02:34:17] their life? If you make it so expensive, the pensioner will rent
[02:34:20] out their room to a student, share their car going on the road
[02:34:24] with a friend, rental houses in holiday
[02:34:27] regions will increase, it also happens at airport exits. The person asks, "Where are you
[02:34:31] going?" and they immediately get together. There's no such thing as pirate
[02:34:33] taxis in Istanbul. Let them take a look, how many pirate
[02:34:37] taxis there are, in which places, how, who
[02:34:40] uses them. Let them take a look. Why did you say
[02:34:44] that? I don't understand. Anyway, I can't understand you, but
[02:34:48] your most important
[02:34:48] feature is
[02:34:52] not understanding. Your most beautiful side is not understanding. Okay,
[02:34:56] I'll understand that later. For example, I can't understand
[02:34:59] some jokes. Then they say, "Never mind, don't understand.
[02:35:02] Don't dwell on it, move on." I think you are
[02:35:06] doing something significant, but when you don't understand, you ask. That's a good thing. What's
[02:35:09] there? For example,
[02:35:12] the price of oil has increased, right? People can't buy cars, but
[02:35:15] they need transportation. Yes, they meet that transportation need by sharing
[02:35:19] a car. They don't have their own car. They tell their friend,
[02:35:23] "I'll pay for the toll and the gas
[02:35:27] and take me to Izmir." So they share
[02:35:29] that car.
[02:35:43] We can survive. We're incredible survivors. For example, Istanbul Airport, "Anyone going to Levent?"
[02:35:47] Etiler, Levent and so on.
[02:35:51] Three people immediately show up and we solve the problem. We cover the gas money, we cover the bridge
[02:35:54] tolls. But what will we do with the natural gas bill?
[02:35:58] They've made it tiered. Winter is coming now, schools will open, there's a school
[02:36:01] expense. On the one hand, salaries have melted away,
[02:36:05] wages have melted away, we spent so much money on holidays that we didn't
[02:36:08] have a situation where we could save money in the summer and relax. Everything
[02:36:12] is so expensive that even a two-day holiday,
[02:36:15] no matter where you look, creates the effect of having gone on a 15-day
[02:36:19] holiday. So, the high prices. Now, they say that a tiered tariff
[02:36:23] has been introduced for natural gas. Experts and sector representatives say
[02:36:26] that approximately 20-23 million residential subscribers
[02:36:29] will be affected by this
[02:36:33] tiered bill increase, but we believe that
[02:36:35] when the weather is cold and
[02:36:39] there are children at home, and natural gas
[02:36:41] is on all day, 35-40%
[02:36:45] of these 23 million households will be affected
[02:36:48] by the tiered natural gas price increase and the tiered
[02:36:52] transition. In other words, the natural gas bills of a much wider
[02:37:05] under tier 1. When it switches to tier 2, for every cubic
[02:37:09] meter, 26 lira and 13 kuruş is paid.
[02:37:13] Now, let's say your bill is 1623
[02:37:17] lira. You're in tier one, but you've increased your consumption,
[02:37:20] you're consuming more. For example, if a child gets sick, or
[02:37:24] our elders are at home more, we start consuming more. The weather gets cold,
[02:37:28] we burn more. Your bill goes from 1623
[02:37:31] lira to 2,623 lira all of a sudden. So,
[02:37:35] open the windows, open them,
[02:37:38] turn off the heaters, no work, no money. Okay, for example, for this, "No work,
[02:37:42] bring blankets, bring blankets, bring
[02:37:45] blankets." There's a period of "blankets." Let me ask you a question now. You always ask,
[02:37:49] for example, what would be the result in the medium and
[02:37:52] long term? What do you mean? What would be the result
[02:37:56] of such an application in the
[02:37:58] medium and long term in the construction
[02:38:02] sector? What would happen? We pray that natural gas
[02:38:06] cuts do not start. People,
[02:38:09] well, they'll withdraw from their credit cards, from their savings accounts. 2+1s
[02:38:13] won't sell, they'll go. Of course, the small ones are already being sold.
[02:38:16] The small ones are being sold. Now, 85
[02:38:31] this is not possible. For example, living in a triplex
[02:38:34] building, this kind of 12,000 lira is not possible.
[02:38:37] The bill for this will reach 25-30 thousand there. There are
[02:38:42] such high dues that people pay more than their rents. That is,
[02:38:45] the dues are far above the normal rents
[02:38:49] we pay, there are no dues below 15-16,000 lira. And now they will also be increased in December.
[02:38:53] Sometimes they postpone it from July because the minimum
[02:39:06] gone tiered. Children are at home, everyone is at home.
[02:39:10] They come from school. You will heat the house,
[02:39:14] electricity will be used. They will use the internet. Winter means expense.
[02:39:17] 80% of the complex I live in
[02:39:26] My university faculty member, for example, I don't know,
[02:39:29] his wife is an English teacher, he's a lawyer, an engineer working
[02:39:32] somewhere, something like that. Now they rent out their own homes and move
[02:39:36] to a cheaper house. Exactly. There's nothing to do. The dues
[02:39:40] are 15,000. The bigger the house, the more expensive the natural gas. Natural gas.
[02:39:43] Last year, what we paid... 6,500, 7, 7,200,
[02:39:46] it was around that. 15,000 lira in dues is normal. You'll make ends meet,
[02:39:50] whatever. He rents it out. He rents
[02:39:53] out a nice place somewhere.
[02:40:11] where everyone is a tenant, the moment a person sees themselves as temporary,
[02:40:15] disrespect, carelessness, respect
[02:40:18] for the site, keeping it clean, environmental order, all these disappear. Because
[02:40:22] they see themselves as temporary, like a nomad. So,
[02:40:25] as long as there are no permanent residents, because
[02:40:29] it might not be able to meet the high demand next year. Of course, it
[02:40:32] can happen. Oh, by the way,
[02:40:36] let me mention something about gold and silver income inequality.
[02:40:44] decreased in America.
[02:41:09] They were eating caviar on luxury
[02:41:12] Bon appétit.
[02:41:39] of these watches. Demand has decreased there.
[02:41:43] In Turkey, the exports from Switzerland
[02:41:46] during this period were 165.2
[02:41:50] million francs, which is approximately 9.6 billion
[02:41:53] lira. The increase is 7%.
[02:41:57] In our country. It increased by 7%. Sir, these are luxury
[02:42:00] watches, and despite the bad economic
[02:42:03] situation, yes, I think this passion for watches
[02:42:07] is because if you put 3 million in interest, it will bring
[02:42:10] you 101 million lira, 101,000 lira. Yes, yes.
[02:42:13] If you find 46% interest and get 101,000
[02:42:16] lira, and if you have 20,000 lira in retirement
[02:42:19] pension, you will cross the poverty line. Can there be such
[02:42:23] interest, such a return? This is not for a professor.
[02:42:27] So, 3 million means that in Turkey, he has that much salary from interest.
[02:42:30] He teaches for 20 hours and so on.
[02:42:34] In universities, what happens to you is that such watches explode,
[02:42:37] that is, while watch imports are decreasing all over the world,
[02:42:41] you increase imports. You spend 9.5 billion lira
[02:42:44] on watches. This is very interesting to me, honestly. In a country
[02:42:47] where no one in Turkey comes to their appointments on time, where no
[02:42:51] plane takes off on time, I'm genuinely
[02:42:55] curious if this much passion for watches works. These are new models,
[02:42:58] not old classic ones you inherited from your family. So,
[02:43:02] one of the factors supporting the unregistered economy
[02:43:05] are watches. Yes. In someone's house you wouldn't expect, there's a watch collection. Very criminal.
[02:43:09] When you look at criminal reports, valuable
[02:43:12] certified products are used
[02:43:16] to support the unregistered economy. I understand
[02:43:18] this.
[02:43:21] I know that, dear. I understand this. For example,
[02:43:25] diamonds are a very large wealth transfer
[02:43:28] product. Those who sell their spoils and goods
[02:43:31] from war zones, their unregistered money, can put diamonds
[02:43:34] in a pouch, travel all over the world, and cash
[02:43:38] them in however they want there.
[02:43:41] For example, the jewelry given at weddings,
[02:43:44] when a child went abroad, they used to tell us, "Take
[02:43:48] this bracelet, put it on your wrist, or take this watch, put it on your wrist,
[02:43:52] so you have something on your wrist that you can convert to money. Your wallet
[02:43:55] might be stolen, something might happen, you can't control it."
[02:43:59] So, this is a very clear indication of income
[02:44:02] inequality, the widening gap between classes, and the increase
[02:44:06] in unregistered activities. The data you have provided,
[02:44:09] the watches here are 10,000 dollars,
[02:44:13] 20,000 dollars, 100,000 dollars, 50,000 dollars, there are watches
[02:44:17] worth 700,000 dollars. I mean, these brands are incredible.
[02:44:20] There are watches bought for 40-50 million. The man enters New York
[02:44:23] with a 500 million
[02:44:25] watch in his bag.
[02:44:37] They ask about money for declaration, but I have never seen them
[02:44:39] ask about watches.
[02:44:42] That's right, that's right, you're right.
[02:44:45] In the last 4 minutes, is there any fresh fruit and vegetables next to you?
[02:44:49] Sir, on the bill, on the rent bill,
[02:44:53] you say "okra, I'm buying it for 150 lira" for half a
[02:44:55] kilo. You will eat, you pay 150 lira.
[02:44:58] You will eat cherries, it's August, you pay 20
[02:45:02] lira. No, but we gave up on okra, we bought it as a split. How much
[02:45:05] is it then? How much is it? It was 100 lira
[02:45:08] when split, I guess, sir. You made a big
[02:45:11] saving. 50 lira,
[02:45:13] approximately. Sir, is onion expensive
[02:45:17] there too? 70 lira. Oh, the same.
[02:45:19] Old Foça in Istanbul. I went this year. No,
[02:45:23] no onions either. Sir, it's like an old people's home there, no noise at all.
[02:45:27] Oh,
[02:45:36] why is that, but do you know, sir, many places are like that, I think, this year, but
[02:45:39] because those with Foça money travel, they can't make it to
[02:45:42] every place. Those who bought in time have bought. Retired colonels, retired generals,
[02:45:46] you know, university professors, etc. Since there is no new construction,
[02:45:49] imagine a big complex, for example. You go for a morning walk,
[02:45:53] everyone says good morning, hello, etc. It has become like a big family.
[02:45:56] Therefore, everyone is respectful to each other, not much noise.
[02:46:00] Their ice cream vendor is good, yes, did he
[02:46:03] queue up? I don't know how much it is, but it was cheap.
[02:46:06] How much? Let's not mention names.
[02:46:08] There's a guy there who fills the ice cream very slowly
[02:46:12] so that the shop looks crowded. I guess it's around
[02:46:16] 90-100-110 lira for a scoop. There's also a Maraş
[02:46:19] ice cream vendor there, I guess it's around 60 lira. So,
[02:46:23] there are two more ice cream vendors who do a lot of business, but the market
[02:46:27] is cheaper than Istanbul. For example, tomatoes were also 30 lira.
[02:46:31] I wrote down all the prices for Ebru in my head. Then, sir,
[02:46:35] food is expensive, it will be even more expensive in winter. I bought some yesterday in Istanbul for 60
[02:46:38] lira. What? Tomatoes.
[02:46:41] Food is expensive. There are also dried
[02:46:44] tomatoes in Manisa. They are so beautiful. You know, Italians
[02:46:48] dry tomatoes. They were about to go
[02:46:51] abroad. A serious Do you like it? Sun-dried.
[02:46:55] They were good. If we could find them. No, no.
[02:46:58] Tülin makes it, but let me bring you some. I love it. I'll bring
[02:47:02] it to you. Okay, promise. No, don't bother. My wife is interested
[02:47:05] in these things. Exactly. Here, too,
[02:47:07] abroad.
[02:47:09] That's a lot of
[02:47:21] work.
[02:47:21] They all live
[02:47:33] ordinary. People produce
[02:47:37] 809. These tomatoes. We eat them for 70-80 lira
[02:47:41] now. I don't know how much we'll eat them in winter.
[02:47:59] after 34 years of marriage, in their 40th year. Abuzer Bey is
[02:48:03] 71 years old, and his wife is
[02:48:06] 59 years old, and their children are 6 years old.
[02:48:13] This image of the twins has been talked about a lot since yesterday. May God grant
[02:48:16] them to grow up with their parents, God willing.
[02:48:19] May God grant health to everyone. You know,
[02:48:23] Abuzer Bey has an interesting story. He retired,
[02:48:26] and he also retired his wife. He paid her pension from outside
[02:48:29] while working. Both of them retired. He wanted his wife to retire too.
[02:48:32] The retirement card arrives, he doesn't know about it.
[02:48:36] Someone else from the village takes it. For 2 years, Abuzer Bey's salary.
[02:48:40] Do you know? They ask, "Why didn't you
[02:48:43] complain?" He says, "I don't want anything to happen to my children. Let them
[02:48:47] be peaceful. Let him take it." Someone else
[02:48:50] took his retirement salary for two years,
[02:49:01] the first card, and then the passwords. The man set his own password.
[02:49:04] The man took this retirement
[02:49:06] salary for two years.
[02:49:09] Oh, we'll finish this day. The rise in gold prices is accelerating,
[02:49:12] let's also mention that. Silver and copper are also increasing
[02:49:16] with it. Today, the gram price of gold, which exceeded
[02:49:19] 6,500 lira, left its mark. Maybe this
[02:49:22] will somewhat boost other sectors like automotive and housing.
[02:49:25] Now, as I conclude, I will
[02:49:29] say something very quickly. A note
[02:49:32] came.
[02:49:34] So,
[02:49:39] for example, there are these convicts, right? For
[02:49:42] convicts, regarding political
[02:49:45] bans, this monitoring board applies to the enforcement
[02:49:48] court. Yes. The court evaluates it. Also,
[02:49:52] for example, this enforcement does not completely end after 3 years.
[02:49:56] It is applied for after 3 years. Okay, there is a legal possibility
[02:50:00] after 3 years. You can do it if you want, but
[02:50:03] they can't. That possibility might not exist. If it were 5 years
[02:50:07] instead of 3 years, it would start from 5 years. A note
[02:50:10] came that the court decides this. Let's also pass
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[02:56:53] "High prices are burning a hole in citizens' pockets. Most
[02:56:57] are turning to foreign countries for holidays, and the number of foreign tourists
[02:57:00] coming to the country has also decreased. We asked the public, 'Is
[02:57:03] your holiday destination domestic or international?' If tourists
[02:57:06] aren't coming anymore, what can we do? They used to come because it was cheap,
[02:57:10] so it's not cheap anymore. It's even more expensive for them.
[02:57:14] If it's expensive for them now, what can
[02:57:17] we do? Then this place must be Dubai or something for us.
[02:57:20] I mean, we can't even go abroad
[02:57:23] anymore, and since we can't stay in the country, we're now
[02:57:27] going towards the villages. Honestly, I would prefer domestic,
[02:57:31] but you know, people right
[02:57:34] now, excuse me, they can't even
[02:57:37] go within Turkey. The money they receive is very
[02:57:41] dreadful. Our citizens are writhing in distress, and they don't
[02:57:44] care at all. We could go abroad, to the nearest Chios
[02:57:47] Island in Greece, because it's really
[02:57:51] expensive here. If they opened our beaches, if there were more
[02:57:55] public beaches rather than private companies,
[02:57:58] if it were publicly accessible, of course,
[02:58:02] our people would want to stay here for holidays. They would choose
[02:58:06] it. I also traveled to Arabia twice. And
[02:58:09] the most beautiful paradise in the world is Turkey. The most beautiful paradise in Turkey
[02:58:12] is Bolu Düzce. Why Bolu Düzce? For example, in summer,
[02:58:16] I came here and I'm overwhelmed by the heat. I didn't see this heat in Düzce.
[02:58:19] We are always close to nature. Close to nature.
[02:58:22] Nature is not invested in. For example, you go to Abant, the entrance
[02:58:26] is over 200 lira to Abant. Everywhere is filthy.
[02:58:29] I went abroad, for example, it was very clean there, sister. Everyone is careful.
[02:58:32] But our people are not very careful, I wish. "If we were a bit
[02:58:36] more conscious about these issues, I personally think
[02:58:40] this is effective. I would like to travel in my country right now,
[02:58:43] but unfortunately, we don't have the means, we can't travel.
[02:58:47] Where did you go last, for example? We didn't go anywhere, really. Where can we go?
[02:58:50] We can't go anywhere. If I had the chance, I would first go and see my
[02:58:53] family in my hometown. I would have a holiday with them for 3-5 days.
[02:58:57] But for a whole year, I can't even go and see my family once a year,
[02:59:00] my mother and father. They are old people. They have contributed to us. Where do they
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[03:00:21] Today is August 6th, Thursday. Welcome to Neden Sonuç on Halk TV
[03:00:25] with Mehmet Teskan. Good morning, Mehmet Teskan.
[03:00:34] They will report on the developments. Of course, in the coming
[03:00:37] minutes, we will turn to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey. The framework
[03:00:40] law traffic continues there. Today is also an important day.