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[00:00:37] Today is Thursday, August 6th. Welcome to From Cause to Effect on Halk TV
[00:00:41] screens. We are with Mehmet Teskan. Good morning, Mehmet Teskan. Good morning.
[00:00:44] Good morning. We started another busy day with a busy agenda. Our friends are ready at many
[00:00:48] live broadcast points. They will convey the developments. Of course,
[00:00:51] we will return to the Grand National Assembly of Turkey in the upcoming minutes. The framework
[00:00:54] law traffic continues there. Today is also an important day.
[00:00:58] is expected today, the details
[00:01:08] that will echo from Trabzon
[00:01:38] are with you.
[00:01:44] Thanks, Bilge. In Güvenpark, relatives of martyr soldiers
[00:01:47] and veteran soldiers have been fighting
[00:01:50] for more than 3 weeks in Güvenpark, Ankara, in the middle of Kızılay.
[00:01:53] They are fighting for their personal rights.
[00:01:56] questions, etc. We have They have been on hunger strike for 5 days. Actually, they
[00:02:00] started their strike, and while it was expected whether there would be a result
[00:02:03] in that struggle that lasted for 5 days, a law proposal was submitted to the parliament last
[00:02:07] week, but the demands of the veteran soldiers and the relatives of martyr
[00:02:10] soldiers were not included in that law proposal, there was
[00:02:14] no situation that went beyond just a salary increase,
[00:02:18] and while eyes were on the parliament for the framework law,
[00:02:23] time the PKK in response to the demands of the relatives of martyr soldiers and veteran
[00:02:27] soldiers, the law proposal
[00:02:30] in the parliament that only
[00:02:32] foresaw a salary increase was accepted
[00:02:36] by the commission in the parliament as of last night.
[00:02:40] The protestors, veterans, relatives of martyrs are here and they
[00:02:43] say they will continue to fight for their personal rights. The new
[00:02:47] Party Chairman Özgür Özel eee actually, as the new
[00:02:50] Party Chairman, for the first time, but he
[00:02:54] also met with veterans and relatives of martyrs
[00:02:57] on July 14th. Veterans
[00:03:13] and relatives of martyrs are greeting
[00:03:15] him and we expect Özgür Özel to give a message
[00:03:19] about their demands and the framework law shortly.
[00:03:23] This is the first group
[00:03:25] meeting he held as the new chairman of the party.
[00:03:29] "Let's not
[00:03:41] be ashamed of our martyr relatives, our veterans, let's solve
[00:03:44] their demands, their problems before the parliament closes."
[00:03:48] he said, he had made such a call in the group
[00:03:51] meeting, today again he will make
[00:03:53] that call in front of the martyr relatives and
[00:03:57] veterans, actually."
[00:04:30] He will make a call, and there is one last
[00:04:33] chance to add these demands to the
[00:04:36] law proposal that passed the commission. The General
[00:04:40] Assembly is expected to complete its discussions this
[00:04:43] week. Will it be added? Will it be added? Will an
[00:04:46] amendment be made? We don't know, but the veterans, the relatives
[00:04:50] of martyrs are angry, they want equal rights, they want
[00:04:53] their personal rights, salaries, we don't want
[00:04:57] salaries. Our...
[00:05:12] I'm trying to talk in the middle of the crowd. Özgür Özel greets
[00:05:15] the martyr relatives and veterans one by one.
[00:05:18] He will then make a speech
[00:05:22] here shortly.
[00:05:25] As you said, Özgür Özel
[00:05:29] came here on July 14th
[00:05:32] as the CHP chairman, as the CHP leader,
[00:05:36] to Güvenpark for a support visit.
[00:05:39] We are waiting
[00:06:26] for the statement, our cameraman friend Güven Dinçmen conveyed the details to us. Dear viewers, these images
[00:06:30] from Güvenpark are reflected live on your screens. Sibel also underlined
[00:06:34] just now that Özgür Özel had visited as the CHP chairman two
[00:06:38] weeks ago. Two weeks later,
[00:06:41] this time he is again in Güvenpark
[00:06:44] as the new chairman, as the new party leader,
[00:06:48] to support the hunger strike and rights struggle
[00:06:51] carried out by the relatives of martyr soldiers
[00:06:54] and veterans in Güvenpark. A statement will be made shortly. Now,
[00:06:58] this visit is important, Mehmet Teskan, it is also important
[00:07:01] in terms of timing. Now, what do you say
[00:07:04] about the timing of this visit while the framework law is being discussed in the parliament?
[00:07:08] Well, now, actually,
[00:07:11] a situation might arise
[00:07:20] in public opinion as if it is gathered around the framework law.
[00:07:24] They were there before and they have some rights demands.
[00:07:28] They wanted those rights demands to come to the parliament.
[00:07:31] Özgür Özel also supported them when he was the CHP chairman,
[00:07:34] saying that your personal rights
[00:07:37] should also be provided in the parliament.
[00:07:41] Now he is giving this support. The day
[00:07:45] is a bit meaningful, undoubtedly. He might
[00:07:49] not open the topic of the framework law at all, I don't know, but
[00:07:52] he will say a couple of sentences anyway. He has already said
[00:07:56] that we support it in principle.
[00:07:59] When we look at some of
[00:08:03] the articles carefully, there are some issues
[00:08:06] that need to be discussed. Even those
[00:08:09] who prepared this draft
[00:08:13] agree. It will be discussed in the Justice Committee
[00:08:16] on Friday, right? I guess the new
[00:08:20] party, the CHP, the others,
[00:08:23] the DEMs will convey
[00:08:26] some of their demands there. Because there
[00:08:30] are undefined elements there. For example, let me tell you one.
[00:08:33] We will probably come to the topic as well. For example,
[00:08:36] KCK. Now, disarmament, okay,
[00:08:40] after they say they have disarmed, it will be approved
[00:08:42] and the process will begin. This process
[00:08:46] does not begin on the day this law passes.
[00:08:49] So, when you say KCK, there is PJAK
[00:08:52] in it, that is, there is the formation in Iran.
[00:08:55] They are Iranian citizens, Kurds but Iranian
[00:08:58] citizens. Now, when you say KJK,
[00:09:01] you say superstructure. And there are PYD,
[00:09:05] YPG in Syria. Well, they joined the Syrian Army
[00:09:08] as a division, even yesterday
[00:09:11] Mazlum was
[00:09:13] with the article. They rescued them in the palace,
[00:09:16] they talked, mutually,
[00:09:19] about how they would draw a roadmap. Now, within them
[00:09:22] is that structure, they are also
[00:09:25] Syrians. It is said that there are close
[00:09:28] to 1500 Turks among them,
[00:09:31] that is, PKK members, who joined them with the Syrian
[00:09:35] civil war. What will happen to them?
[00:09:37] Now, there is an expression of KJK and PKK and
[00:09:41] KJK. Now, if the PKK lays down
[00:09:43] arms, and KJK, now I'm confused there.
[00:09:46] Does this framework law to be enacted cover
[00:09:50] those in Syria? Does it cover those in Iran?
[00:09:53] Because they are also elements of KJK.
[00:09:56] Now, if it covers them, then will we also wait for
[00:09:59] those in Iran to lay down arms or
[00:10:03] those in Syria to all lay down arms?
[00:10:06] Well, most of them are Syrian citizens, there is no issue that concerns
[00:10:10] us. There is an issue that concerns Ahmet,
[00:10:14] Ahmet Eşara, if it didn't concern
[00:10:16] him, he wouldn't have met yesterday. I watched yesterday or the day before yesterday,
[00:10:20] there was a meeting in the palace. They probably
[00:10:23] have a logic, an explanation for why they put
[00:10:26] the word KCK. Because, look,
[00:10:30] at first, after Abdullah Öcalan said
[00:10:33] the PKK should lay down arms,
[00:10:36] this KCK issue was debated a lot, even the DEMs
[00:10:39] came out and said it does not cover KCK.
[00:10:43] Even the late Sırrı Süreyya Önder
[00:10:45] eee in which television he appeared on a television program and said
[00:10:49] in an interview that it was excluded.
[00:10:52] Most of the DEMs also said it was excluded,
[00:11:04] Now, what will happen when this passes? I have a question mark in my mind.
[00:11:08] This needs to be clarified in the
[00:11:11] meetings of the Justice Committee. We are also talking
[00:11:14] about something now. We are looking at the text. Now,
[00:11:18] when a law text is being prepared,
[00:11:21] the justification and spirit of the law are also conveyed
[00:11:25] with reasoned decisions, so that we know
[00:11:28] that the legislator prepared this law with this in mind. Especially
[00:11:32] yesterday, Özgür Özel will speak soon, eee
[00:11:35] until yesterday afternoon, we were in complete uncertainty. Just as we were about to go off
[00:11:39] air, it was sent to the parties, and after that,
[00:11:42] what was in the content of the law
[00:11:43] yes
[00:11:47] there are 300 top managers, they are excluded. What
[00:11:51] will happen to them? It's not
[00:11:54] here. Will they deal with it later? I mean, will
[00:11:57] this precede their situation? Let the process
[00:12:01] progress. Let it get back on track, let the
[00:12:05] weapons be laid down, but will those 300 people say
[00:12:09] if we become unarmed, it won't work?
[00:12:12] Or they say those who got involved before 2005
[00:12:16] are excluded. How many people were there before 2005?
[00:12:19] MIT probably has this file.
[00:12:22] Those who did not participate in intentional killing
[00:12:25] are not pardoned, that is, they are not covered by this.
[00:12:29] Is there a very detailed list of who
[00:12:32] participated and who didn't? For example,
[00:12:36] there are village raids, clashes. Those
[00:12:38] who participated in those clashes, who killed our soldiers, here
[00:12:42] or in Iraq, our soldiers died in Iraq,
[00:12:45] we gave martyrs in Syria. They probably have a list of who participated
[00:12:49] and who didn't. Ali, Veli, Hüseyin
[00:12:53] participated in this... or these did not participate.
[00:12:56] So, there are some question marks
[00:12:59] that we cannot solve, but what I focus on the most
[00:13:03] is what will happen to this KCK? What will
[00:13:05] happen to KCK? Until today, it wasn't there.
[00:13:09] We were going PKK, PKK, PKK. When you say
[00:13:13] PKK and KCK, you are talking about
[00:13:16] something that covers Syria,
[00:13:19] Iraq, Iran and Turkey. We are talking about a disarmament
[00:13:23] initiative.
[00:13:25] This is a question mark.
[00:13:28] Now, we will continue to discuss those question marks. On the other hand,
[00:13:32] live images are coming to your screens. We also expect
[00:13:35] Özgür Özel to make a statement shortly. Now, let's also talk
[00:13:38] about this process, eee to our esteemed viewers,
[00:13:42] eee since July 13th, in Güvenpark, Ankara,
[00:13:45] the veterans and relatives of martyr soldiers,
[00:13:49] and the veterans with the status of private and corporal,
[00:13:51] are continuing their protests. What do they want?
[00:13:55] Let's also explain that, what do they demand?
[00:13:57] Equal personal rights without regard to rank.
[00:14:01] This is actually a very just demand, isn't it?
[00:14:05] A veteran is a veteran, a veteran is a veteran, isn't he? A martyr is a
[00:14:08] martyr. There is no such thing as a major being a martyr
[00:14:12] and a private being a martyr, or a veteran. It's the
[00:14:15] same in the hearts of the people anyway. You say that for these lands, someone
[00:14:19] has lost an arm, lost a leg, regardless of their rank, once
[00:14:23] they become a veteran, they have reached the highest rank. Of course, eee they came
[00:14:27] to Ankara from all 81 provinces of Turkey.
[00:14:30] They are trying to explain this for a long time,
[00:14:33] for example, about prosthesis support, they state that they are
[00:14:37] experiencing a problem here. They want veterans with private and corporal
[00:14:41] status to benefit from the same rights as other military
[00:14:43] personnel. So, these are their demands, and as
[00:14:47] we stated earlier, they have been continuing their protests
[00:14:50] there since July 13th. They started a hunger strike. Özgür Özel is also
[00:14:54] there, as you can see. They are bringing up their serious
[00:14:58] grievances. The statement has started, let's listen.
[00:15:01] May those whose hands I could not shake forgive me. I greet
[00:15:05] everyone once again with respect. Today,
[00:15:08] here, after 25 days, yes, we are together
[00:15:12] once again. On the first day of the protest,
[00:15:15] as the elected chairman of the Republican People's Party,
[00:15:19] this is my last visit on my
[00:15:22] behalf. I made the first visit
[00:15:33] here. As the chairman, with our deputies and vice chairmen,
[00:15:35] we are here with you.
[00:15:39] You expressed your determination that day,
[00:15:41] all together, and you stated that you would not
[00:15:45] leave here. For 25 days,
[00:15:48] you fulfilled the requirements of that determination.
[00:15:52] Even for 5 days, with a hunger strike
[00:15:55] that started, you raised
[00:15:59] your protest to the highest level.
[00:16:03] As I said on the first day,
[00:16:05] today I want to say
[00:16:09] that we will be with you until
[00:16:13] you get results, until your rights are given,
[00:16:17] until everyone says "I am satisfied
[00:16:20] with these regulations." We are with you and behind you. First and foremost,
[00:16:24] I express
[00:16:25] this support.
[00:16:30] Now, with me is Admiral Yankı Bağcıoğlu,
[00:16:33] whom you constantly mentioned when I was
[00:16:39] not here. He served as Vice Chairman
[00:16:43] and he was our Shadow Minister
[00:16:46] of National Defense
[00:16:49] gelmez
[00:16:52] He constantly contacted
[00:16:54] both the families of martyrs
[00:16:57] and veterans
[00:16:59] who formed organized structures
[00:17:02] in Turkey, and the families of
[00:17:06] martyrs. He brought us together many
[00:17:09] times. He visited
[00:17:13] over 250 associations in Turkey.
[00:17:16] He organized a workshop in Istanbul.
[00:17:20] I was there on the last day, all of you were there.
[00:17:23] All associations, all foundations, all
[00:17:27] structures. And a comprehensive
[00:17:31] preparation, we all left that hall saying it would
[00:17:34] be like this. In total,
[00:17:38] net 19 demands
[00:17:41] and a total of 18 changes in laws.
[00:17:44] If this is done,
[00:17:48] everyone would say "my problem is solved." We prepared such a proposal,
[00:17:52] I personally signed it, and
[00:17:55] this week, as the new party chairman and deputies,
[00:17:59] we also signed it. That day, we were at the head
[00:18:02] of the Republican People's Party, and the proposal
[00:18:05] went to the relevant
[00:18:08] commission and commissions you mentioned earlier,
[00:18:11] and has been waiting there for two years. If that proposal
[00:18:14] became law, no martyr's family
[00:18:18] or veteran in Turkey would have
[00:18:22] any more expectations or unresolved
[00:18:25] demands. It is such a proposal, and
[00:18:28] everyone agrees, you also agree,
[00:18:31] all associations, all families agree. So, as you
[00:18:35] mentioned earlier, the solution to all
[00:18:39] problems is in the parliament.
[00:18:43] 25 days ago, we were at a worse
[00:18:46] point, in this regard, your created
[00:18:49] awareness and struggle contributed to this.
[00:18:52] From those 19 articles,
[00:18:55] a proposal concerning three
[00:18:58] of them was prepared by the AK Party,
[00:19:00] as if all problems
[00:19:03] were being solved. It was submitted
[00:19:06] 6 hours after
[00:19:08] our comprehensive proposal, and they are communicating
[00:19:11] about this. We need to sit
[00:19:14] crooked and talk straight. The submitted
[00:19:17] proposal is certainly
[00:19:20] better than nothing. What happens?
[00:19:23] It solves some problems. What does it solve? Let me tell
[00:19:27] you, Commander, if I miss anything, you will complete
[00:19:31] it. First, there was something we always
[00:19:35] said. We were saying that
[00:19:38] when we lose a veteran's
[00:19:41] family or a martyred private,
[00:19:45] when we have a martyred
[00:19:48] officer, the family of a martyred soldier
[00:19:51] receives the same
[00:19:54] salary as if their contemporary
[00:19:57] gets promoted, gets a rank, up to colonelcy.
[00:20:00] However, here, not only is there no such
[00:20:03] thing, but their salaries
[00:20:07] are extremely low, you stated it, we were ashamed,
[00:20:11] 8,000 lira, 10,000 lira, 22,000 lira. Our basic
[00:20:14] approach at this point
[00:20:17] was that if a private was martyred, his family
[00:20:21] should be given a salary equivalent to a specialized
[00:20:24] sergeant. In the law, they wrote
[00:20:28] "up to a minimum wage."
[00:20:30] It's lower than the expectation
[00:20:33] of the past. Secondly,
[00:20:36] "You just said that in the regulation,
[00:20:39] we were proposing an honor
[00:20:43] pension for those who were not considered
[00:20:46] veterans. In our regulation, they themselves
[00:20:52] have included something like a 17,000 additional indicator.
[00:20:54] It's better than nothing,
[00:20:57] but far below
[00:20:59] expectations.
[00:21:01] On the other
[00:21:03] hand,
[00:21:06] we had regulations regarding
[00:21:10] those who were wounded but not considered
[00:21:13] disabled. In this regard,
[00:21:17] there is also a regulation
[00:21:20] far below expectations.
[00:21:23] Now, these are better than nothing,
[00:21:26] but they certainly do not meet
[00:21:29] expectations. It is important to improve these,
[00:21:32] but there is an opportunity ahead of us for the other 16
[00:21:35] articles. As you said earlier,
[00:21:39] there is a framework law.
[00:21:42] The parties who signed it yesterday
[00:21:45] proposed it. We met with lawyers,
[00:21:49] and we will work today. In the commission too...
[00:21:52] Our basic approach is this:
[00:21:56] we advocate for the complete silencing of weapons,
[00:22:00] for not a single weapon to remain in the hands of the domestic
[00:22:02] terrorist organization, for permanent
[00:22:06] disarmament, and for all regulations
[00:22:09] to be made on a democratic basis so that no more blood
[00:22:13] is shed in Turkey. This has been our thousand-year-old
[00:22:16] idea, and we advocate for it to be discussed
[00:22:20] in parliament." At the same
[00:22:22] time,
[00:22:25] we find it insincere to create
[00:22:28] an impression as if the problems
[00:22:31] of veterans and martyr families are being solved.
[00:22:34] The 19-article law is there. We will defend
[00:22:37] every stage of it, and I want
[00:22:41] everyone to know once again
[00:22:45] that the expectations of veteran soldiers
[00:22:48] or the families of early martyrs have not been met in any way,
[00:22:52] and that we will follow this matter
[00:22:55] to the very end. We are going
[00:22:59] through difficult times.
[00:23:01] While we were elected
[00:23:05] in the Republican People's Party, we were
[00:23:09] removed from the management of our party by a coup,
[00:23:12] our party was taken away, our presidential
[00:23:15] candidate was kept in prison, brilliant, very young
[00:23:19] mayors... Some of those
[00:23:22] who were kept in prison and threatened with prison
[00:23:26] changed parties, even the women's provincial
[00:23:29] chairperson of my own province in Manisa was taken
[00:23:33] away, and now they brought her back. Our party
[00:23:36] is being subjected to great oppression. Under these
[00:23:40] circumstances,
[00:23:41] under your objections,
[00:23:44] in Turkey, we are in a very difficult
[00:23:48] situation in a process where it is stated
[00:23:51] and reported in state institutions
[00:23:54] that the cessation of terrorism in Syria, Iraq,
[00:23:58] Iran, and Turkey would be important
[00:24:01] for Turkey's national interests and security.
[00:24:05] While we are experiencing
[00:24:07] the pains and seeing the difficulties
[00:24:11] that make us say, "damn everything
[00:24:14] you've done and everything
[00:24:17] you will do," Turkey is rotting
[00:24:20] for a while. Under these conditions,
[00:24:23] believe me,
[00:24:27] we are following the issue as carefully
[00:24:30] as you are. We are following all sensitivities carefully.
[00:24:33] Just as we were in a sensitive position on the first
[00:24:37] day, we are at the same point today. I have always
[00:24:40] said that we would never be involved
[00:24:43] in things that would make us unable
[00:24:46] to face the families of martyrs
[00:24:50] and veterans. From the perspective of Turkey's
[00:24:53] future, the end of terrorism, and to prevent
[00:24:56] more veterans and martyrs, we are approaching
[00:24:59] the cessation of terrorism and democratic issues
[00:25:03] from the right place.
[00:25:06] Let me state this once again, it is the most
[00:25:09] important issue.
[00:25:11] We are talking about 5500 people here, 5,500
[00:25:14] people. Since there
[00:25:18] will be no terrorism from now on,
[00:25:22] since there will be no terrorism
[00:25:25] from now on, since
[00:25:28] there will be no more bloodshed
[00:25:31] and no more
[00:25:33] clashes from now on,
[00:25:37] since military service is no longer
[00:25:40] like it was during the period when our 33
[00:25:43] martyrs died, and we lost our surviving veteran, may God have mercy on him,
[00:25:47] and since our 18-year-old
[00:25:51] children, whose hands were hennaed
[00:25:54] and sent off,
[00:25:58] are no longer losing their lives in compulsory military
[00:26:00] service, and now,
[00:26:04] almost all of those involved in the fight against terrorism
[00:26:08] are at the level of a professional army, since
[00:26:11] there will be no more veterans and martyrs,
[00:26:14] well, in such an important process,
[00:26:17] those who have lost an arm, a leg, an eye,
[00:26:20] their lives. This problem must
[00:26:24] now be solved for their families or themselves. For heaven's sake,
[00:26:27] 5500 people, families,
[00:26:31] close ones.
[00:27:03] If not, we will do this. I won't put it at the very top.
[00:27:06] Let's put it here. Let's not take away the honor
[00:27:10] of the first signatory. I'll put it at the bottom
[00:27:13] of the first page. Okay, sir. Also, since
[00:27:17] it is about us since the establishment
[00:27:20] of your new party,
[00:27:22] thank you very much. Say it if you want.
[00:27:26] Mr. Chairman, the first law
[00:27:29] proposal of your new party,
[00:27:33] of our party, being about the families of martyrs
[00:27:37] and veterans is very valuable
[00:27:41] to us. Thank you very
[00:27:42] much, sir.
[00:27:49] I will say one sentence. Dear members
[00:27:52] of the press, I know your agenda
[00:27:55] is full, there are many
[00:27:59] a rule, we did it last time, and it went very well.
[00:28:02] We don't talk about anything else here, so this can be news.
[00:28:06] Now, while I'm going to the parliament, you write this news,
[00:28:09] let the demands be news, let what you said be news. I'm going to the parliament.
[00:28:13] I'll be in the parliament all day. After our meetings
[00:28:17] in the parliament, when I leave,
[00:28:20] I will answer your questions regarding the other
[00:28:22] agenda items in the parliament. So that no other agenda item overshadows
[00:28:26] the demands of our martyr families,
[00:28:30] our veteran soldiers, and their families,
[00:28:32] we are leaving without discussing
[00:28:34] any other topic than this.
[00:28:44] I said we didn't sign it. Don't sign
[00:28:46] the framework law, we didn't sign it. But
[00:28:50] something else. We are the social media
[00:28:54] manager here. He wanted a badge.
[00:28:56] Can our veterans
[00:29:03] ask the people of Ankara for support
[00:29:06] very briefly? Okay, we've always
[00:29:10] done it, but...
[00:29:17] Yes, the images came live on your screens. The new Party
[00:29:21] Chairman Özgür Özel met with the relatives of martyr soldiers and veterans
[00:29:25] in Güvenpark. He made a visit to support
[00:29:28] their rights struggle. The hunger strike continues on the other hand.
[00:30:02] The first law proposal given by the party
[00:30:05] was about veterans and martyr relatives. Meanwhile,
[00:30:09] another breaking news on your screens. The meeting
[00:30:12] between President Erdoğan and MHP leader Bahçeli will be held today at 2 PM.
[00:30:16] Eee President Erdoğan will receive Bahçeli
[00:30:19] at Beştepe. Erdoğan and Bahçeli. will meet today. What do you think
[00:30:23] they will talk about? Bahçeli will probably
[00:30:26] bring up whether the trustees should be removed
[00:30:29] or not.
[00:30:34] I don't know if he will bring up issues like Selahattin Demirtaş's home,
[00:30:38] but he says these things and yet
[00:30:41] he hasn't insisted on them. I think he's making a statement. Let's listen
[00:30:44] to him briefly. We learned that even those who are very sick
[00:30:47] are on hunger strike during this process.
[00:30:50] We believe that the purpose
[00:30:53] has been achieved and the voice has been heard.
[00:30:57] I am sharing our thoughts with you
[00:31:00] regarding the need for
[00:31:02] those with illnesses to stop these actions
[00:31:06] without jeopardizing their health. See you."
[00:31:09] There are signature campaigns
[00:31:13] regarding the problems
[00:31:23] and personal rights we mentioned here.
[00:31:27] They have collected many signatures
[00:31:29] and the number continues to grow. They have collected
[00:31:33] tens of thousands of signatures.
[00:31:36] I also supported them by signing.
[00:31:40] I invite the people of Ankara to come here
[00:31:43] and support this campaign.
[00:32:15] Özgür Özel also signed at the bottom of the page. Of course,
[00:32:18] what he said about the hunger strike was also important. Now,
[00:32:22] we had talked about the timing of this
[00:32:25] visit, this support visit. We said that this visit
[00:32:28] was important in the midst of this traffic,
[00:32:31] especially since the framework law had just come to the parliament.
[00:32:34] We have always advocated for these regulations to be made
[00:32:38] in the parliament and we will continue to advocate
[00:32:42] for them, said Özgür Özel. In previous
[00:32:45] processes, they were done outside the parliament, and they
[00:32:49] were
[00:32:51] not completed, they were left unfinished, and we can say
[00:32:54] that some factors intervened and prevented them.
[00:32:58] The Habur entry in 2009 was a disaster.
[00:33:01] I am reading today that at that time, many articles
[00:33:05] were written saying that they were entering Habur and that this was over.
[00:33:09] After that, those who came,
[00:33:13] courts were set up in tents there, the prosecutor and judge
[00:33:17] went to the tent, the PKK members who came
[00:33:20] said they were PKK members, but they were told no, you are not.
[00:33:24] They kept all their records
[00:33:27] on buses, calling it a symbolic group,
[00:33:30] but then when they walked around
[00:33:33] in their clothes and demonstrated,
[00:33:37] Turkey became tense. Those who said this was an important
[00:33:41] step at the time are now calling it the Habur
[00:33:45] disaster. Why didn't you say that then?
[00:33:48] At that time, they were shouting at those who called it the Habur
[00:33:51] disaster, saying, "Are you against this?" Now,
[00:33:55] 10, 16, 17 years
[00:33:58] have passed since 2009. Today,
[00:34:01] I am reading that everyone is saying, "Let's not have
[00:34:05] bir daha bu süreç çok dikkatli olalım diyorlar ama o gün
[00:34:08] in this process." But there were also journalists
[00:34:12] who praised it in their headlines at the time. I'm talking
[00:34:15] about what they wrote in their columns. The same thing happened in 2015.
[00:34:18] This is going on. A great consensus, monitoring committees,
[00:34:22] wise people. While they were saying, "Look how," the table was suddenly
[00:34:25] overturned. Now they are angry about
[00:34:27] that too. At that time, you were applauding, now you are applauding
[00:34:31] this too. I hope this will lead to salvation.
[00:34:34] The path followed by the government
[00:34:38] in the presidential election campaign was also applauded
[00:34:40] at that time, and this is also being applauded. That applause continues. No,
[00:34:44] this time it's different. Look, there are 360 deputies' signatures.
[00:34:48] The difference from them
[00:34:51] is that in the Justice Commission, with the participation
[00:34:54] of parties and deputies, it is now said
[00:34:58] that this framework law was kept secret from the parties
[00:35:01] for a long time, even from their own
[00:35:05] deputies, let alone
[00:35:09] the opposition parties. Yes, they even wanted
[00:35:13] us to be kept secret from their own deputies. Some criticized
[00:35:16] this, it's possible, but I found it somewhat normal
[00:35:20] because when something is being prepared, a small leak
[00:35:23] would prevent it
[00:35:27] or slow down
[00:35:30] a roadmap or
[00:35:33] something else would be cherry-picked
[00:35:36] and the discussion would go in a completely different direction.
[00:35:39] That's why I think it was kept very secret. 3-4 people
[00:35:42] working on it knew about it. Then,
[00:35:45] before it was presented, all party deputies learned about it,
[00:35:49] and we also learned about it. But did we learn
[00:35:52] late? It will start
[00:35:56] at 3 PM on Friday in the Justice Commission.
[00:35:59] Now, do the opposition parties have time
[00:36:03] to work on it? Isn't it Thursday
[00:36:07] today? It was given yesterday. On Friday,
[00:36:10] do the members of the Justice Commission have time
[00:36:14] to work on it and develop a strategy? There are 12 articles
[00:36:16] in the example or what they will propose.
[00:36:20] There is also a commission
[00:36:23] they work with, isn't there? National Unity, Brotherhood, and Democracy.
[00:36:36] The extent to which it is reflected will be discussed in the Justice Commission,
[00:36:40] and then there will be a general assembly on another platform.
[00:36:44] So, there is an opportunity to discuss
[00:36:47] this or to explain to the public
[00:36:50] what has been overlooked. Starting from Friday,
[00:36:54] when will this law be, Saturday or Sunday?
[00:36:58] Will it go to the general assembly on Tuesday next week? It's
[00:37:01] not clear yet, but there is a platform, so there is a platform.
[00:37:05] Perhaps our viewers who haven't followed this process throughout the day
[00:37:08] might be curious about what's in the draft law
[00:37:12] and how the process will proceed. Today, we will bring
[00:37:15] Mehmet Teskan's article to the screens shortly. There
[00:37:19] is an important emphasis that he says they will lay down
[00:37:23] arms, but this will only come into force after
[00:37:26] the National Security Council's
[00:37:33] determination in this regard. The purpose of this law
[00:37:36] is the detection by security institutions that the PKK KCK
[00:37:39] terrorist organization and all related formations
[00:37:43] have ceased to exist. The bill prepared
[00:37:46] for the process was submitted to the parliament
[00:37:49] after the publication of the National Security
[00:37:53] Council decision in the official gazette.
[00:37:56] Discussions on the proposal, which is named "Strengthening
[00:38:00] National Solidarity and Social Integration", will begin
[00:38:04] in the Justice Commission on Friday. Our
[00:38:07] Justice Commission Chairman will make the necessary invitations
[00:38:10] for the commission meeting on Friday. The draft law
[00:38:13] consists of 12 articles. The immediate laying down
[00:38:16] of arms by members of the organization, the self-dissolution and complete
[00:38:19] liquidation of the organization, and the integration of
[00:38:22] its members into society. Those who received aggravated
[00:38:26] life sentences or committed crimes requiring aggravated
[00:38:29] life sentences before June 2005
[00:38:32] will be excluded from the scope of the law,
[00:38:36] except for those who committed murder, intentional
[00:38:39] murder, and those who received life
[00:38:42] imprisonment or aggravated life imprisonment before
[00:38:46] 2005 and whose sentences are in the execution stage.
[00:38:49] For individuals who have received sentences
[00:38:52] for actions such as being a member of,
[00:38:56] managing, aiding, abetting, or propagandizing
[00:38:59] for the organization, there will be a 5-year
[00:39:03] deferment for sentences up to 15 years,
[00:39:06] special monitoring, and for those
[00:39:09] with sentences of over 15 years
[00:39:12] or life imprisonment, there will be a 10-year
[00:39:16] deferment and monitoring. AK Party Group Chairman
[00:39:20] Abdullah Güler stated that there is no article
[00:39:23] regarding Öcalan's status, but discussions
[00:39:26] may be held in the future. In subsequent processes,
[00:39:30] visits by academics and journalists to Imralı
[00:39:33] can be carried out within administrative regulations
[00:39:37] with a certain discipline and adherence to rules,
[00:39:41] but there is no need for a legal regulation
[00:39:45] or status for this, friends. The execution of sentences
[00:39:49] for those sentenced to 15 years or more
[00:39:52] will be deferred for 5 years. For those sentenced
[00:39:55] to more than 15 years,
[00:39:58] life imprisonment, or aggravated life imprisonment,
[00:40:01] the execution of their sentences will be deferred for 10 years.
[00:40:04] If any crime is committed during
[00:40:07] the deferment period, the said decision will be revoked,
[00:40:11] and the investigation and prosecution will continue.
[00:40:14] I wish them luck. We are forming
[00:40:17] a committee chaired by our Vice President,
[00:40:20] consisting of the Ministries of Interior, Justice,
[00:40:23] Foreign Affairs, National Defense,
[00:40:26] the General Secretariat of the National Security
[00:40:29] Council, the Presidency of the National Intelligence Organization,
[00:40:33] and the General Secretariat of the Presidency. This
[00:40:36] committee will monitor this process by obtaining
[00:40:40] all kinds of information and documents from other
[00:40:43] public institutions and organizations through periodic meetings.
[00:40:46] The entry into force of the draft law, which
[00:40:50] is expected to be brought to the General Assembly,
[00:40:53] will be subject to the determination and confirmation
[00:40:55] of the National Security Council. Yes, as you can see,
[00:40:58] Abdullah Güler explained it this way. He said
[00:41:02] that it will not cover members of the organization
[00:41:05] who have committed crimes. He said that the entry
[00:41:09] into force of the law will be subject
[00:41:12] to the determination of the National Security Council.
[00:41:16] Now, Mehmet Teskan also wrote about this issue
[00:41:19] today on halktv.com, and he says
[00:41:23] it is the key condition of the PKK law. Now,
[00:41:27] as Abdullah Güler also stated, Mehmet Teskan also starts
[00:41:31] this way today. There will be no amnesty for those
[00:41:35] who commit murder and kill our soldiers and police. PKK leaders,
[00:41:38] including Öcalan, are also excluded. A conditional amnesty
[00:41:42] will be granted to the rest, but how? Now,
[00:41:45] there is a condition here, let's look at it.
[00:41:48] If the PKK completely lays down its arms.
[00:41:51] This is the condition. This is the key article of the law.
[00:41:55] This is where the process is difficult, critical,
[00:41:58] and fragile. Ankara says, "Hey PKK,
[00:42:01] lay down your arms. Let the National Security Council
[00:42:05] confirm that you have laid them down. The law will come into force
[00:42:09] on that day. It will remain in force for 6 months,
[00:42:13] and the problem will be over." Let me state
[00:42:16] that the law will not come into force and be implemented
[00:42:19] as soon as it passes the parliament.
[00:42:22] As soon as the law passes the parliament, prisons
[00:42:26] will not be emptied. PKK members who have not committed murder
[00:42:30] will not come to Turkey freely. The approval
[00:42:33] of the NSC will be awaited. What has been discussed
[00:42:37] for a long time was this: Kandil says
[00:42:41] that Ankara should make the necessary
[00:42:45] legal arrangements, our legal security
[00:42:48] should be ensured, and we will burn our weapons.
[00:42:51] Ankara was saying that the PKK should lay down
[00:42:55] its arms and evacuate its camps. We will
[00:42:58] make the legal arrangements. The issue was stuck
[00:43:00] at this point. Ankara took
[00:43:04] a half-step and threw the ball
[00:43:08] to the PKK. The ball is now
[00:43:12] in Kandil's court. If Kandil acts quickly
[00:43:15] and genuinely bids farewell to arms by the end
[00:43:18] of the summer, and if the necessary
[00:43:21] institutions, including the MIT, confirm this
[00:43:24] and the NSC verifies it (i.e., if the National
[00:43:28] Security Council verifies it), the process will succeed. If Kandil
[00:43:32] drags its feet, saying, "We don't
[00:43:35] trust Ankara,"
[00:43:37] and turns laying down arms into a stalling
[00:43:40] tactic, and if it thinks, "The Middle East is boiling,
[00:43:43] let's wait a bit longer and see what happens,"
[00:43:47] Mehmet Teskan says the process will break down.
[00:43:51] Of course, the continuation of the article
[00:43:53] is on halktv.com. We should also announce
[00:43:57] this to our viewers.
[00:43:59] Now, there is an issue of trust
[00:44:03] and assurance. We were saying, "Let's leave
[00:44:06] it, but," the PKK
[00:44:10] was saying, "We need assurance, legal assurance."
[00:44:13] And Ankara was saying, "We don't
[00:44:16] trust you. What if we give you assurances,
[00:44:20] make legal arrangements, and you don't give up?"
[00:44:23] This was the issue. Now, a formula
[00:44:27] has been found, and I guess Öcalan also said yes
[00:44:30] to this formula, saying, "Let's take a step,
[00:44:34] the rest will follow." Now, if this
[00:44:37] law passes the parliament, it provides
[00:44:40] certain assurances. The law
[00:44:43] that the Grand National Assembly of Turkey
[00:44:46] will enact says to the PKK and Kandil,
[00:44:50] "These are the assurances I will give you today.
[00:44:53] Now, start laying down your arms.
[00:44:56] Don't deceive me, don't stall. If
[00:45:00] it is confirmed that you have laid them down," who will
[00:45:04] do this? MIT or military intelligence,
[00:45:07] that is, the people who will follow this
[00:45:10] up. If they say, "Yes, they have laid them down," then the law
[00:45:14] will come into force. The National Security Council
[00:45:18] will do this. Now, the ball is in the PKK's
[00:45:21] court, as I said.
[00:45:22] The PKK will now
[00:45:25] look at those 250-300 high-level leaders
[00:45:28] I mentioned earlier. I don't know their situation.
[00:45:32] Will they lay down their arms or will they say, "We
[00:45:35] won't lay them down, we are outside
[00:45:38] the law, that is, we are excluded"?
[00:45:42] Or will a group there, how many people
[00:45:46] are there from before 2005, I don't know,
[00:45:49] will they also step aside? But if the majority
[00:45:51] says yes, and if the majority
[00:45:55] if they also stepped aside, yes, we are laying down
[00:45:58] our arms,
[00:46:01] sarf eden tüm siyasi
[00:46:04] partilere partimiz adına teşekkür etmek isteriz,
[00:46:08] yalnızca siyasi partiler değil, "toplumsal dinamikler de
[00:46:12] süreci bugüne getirdi, aslında geç kalındı, geç
[00:46:15] kalınmış olsa da bu yeni başlangıç, çok önemli
[00:46:19] bir başlangıç, tekrar ediyorum, bu adımı eksikleri dolayısıyla
[00:46:23] küçümsemek, görmezden gelmek veya
[00:46:26] reddetmek, bunun yerine
[00:46:30] eksiklerini, toplumsal mücadeleyi büyüterek en
[00:46:33] geniş siyasal uzlaşı ve kararlılıkla
[00:46:37] tamamlama çağrısı yapıyoruz." "
[00:46:41] Bu teklif ortak geleceği birlikte
[00:46:43] kurabileceğimiz hukuki zeminin ilk
[00:46:46] taşı. Bundan sonra tarihsel
[00:46:49] değerinin doğru anlaşılması ve uygulanmas.
[00:46:53] için ardından gelecek demokratik düzenlemelere tabii ki
[00:46:57] ihtiyacımız var, nitekim buna
[00:47:00] doğrudan ve açık bir şekilde yasa teklifinin
[00:47:03] gerekçesinde de biliyorsunuz gönderme
[00:47:06] yapılıyor. Teklif
[00:47:08] hakkında son derece haklı
[00:47:12] kaygılarla çeşitli değerlendirmeler de yapılıyor,
[00:47:15] kimi pozitif, kimi eleştiriler, eleştirel olması gerektiği
[00:47:19] gibi. Ancak biz parti olarak. diyoruz ki, içinde
[00:47:23] bulunduğumuz anda sorulması gereken temel soru,
[00:47:26] teklifin tek başına bütün beklentileri karşılayıp
[00:47:30] karşılamadığından ziyade önümüzde açılan
[00:47:33] tarihsel imkanı
[00:47:36] nasıl değerlendireceğimiz ve nasıl bir yolu birlikte
[00:47:39] inşa edeceğimiz?
[00:47:42] yine teklifin kapsamı çok tartışılıyor, daha da
[00:47:46] tartışılacak, ama dünden bu yana teklifin kapsamı ile
[00:47:49] ilgili zaten...
[00:47:52] açık ortada bazı bilgiler
[00:47:55] var, yasada, teklif hukuki belirsizliği
[00:47:59] tabii ki sonsuza kadar sürdürmemeli.
[00:48:03] Teklif bir yol açıyor, ülkeyeye dönüş yolu
[00:48:06] açıyor. Ülkeye dönmek,
[00:48:09] silahlı çatışmadan demokratik hayata
[00:48:12] geçmek, ilk kez ayrıntılı ve
[00:48:16] öngörülebilir bir hukuk prosedürüne
[00:48:19] bağlanıyor. Onlarca yasa yapıldı Türkiye'de. bugüne
[00:48:22] kadar. Geçmişte çıkarılan düzenlemelerin bir
[00:48:26] bölümü bireysel kopuş, etkin
[00:48:29] pişmanlık, itiraf veya bilgi verme anlayışı
[00:48:32] üzerine kurulmuştu biliyorsunuz. Ve
[00:48:34] hiçbiri soruna çare olmadı.
[00:48:38] Aksine çözümsüzlüğü derinleştirdi,
[00:48:41] aksine acıları arttırdı. Ancak ilk
[00:48:44] kez bu teklif, örgütün
[00:48:47] fesi ve silahsızlanması sonrasında ortaya
[00:48:51] çıkan... kolektif durumu düzenleyen bir yaklaşım
[00:48:55] içeriyor ve biz bu yaklaşımı önemsiyoruz.
[00:48:58] Şimdi açıklamalar önemli, süreç itibariyla başlıklara bakacağız. Bu
[00:49:01] teklif ortak bir geleceğin ilk taşı diyor Ayşe Güldoğan. Eksikleri
[00:49:05] var ama bu eksikler dolayısıyla küçümsemeyin diye de ekliyor.
[00:49:09] Bakacağız ayrıntılara. O zaman araya gitmeden önce hızla bir kez daha
[00:49:12] Ankara'ya gidelim, orada Eda Erdağa bizi
[00:49:15] bekliyor. Eee, yine bir başka önemli
[00:49:17] görüşme. Uğur Mumcu'nun
[00:49:20] of the Den Party, is speaking. Let's listen to her.
[00:49:24] "This is an inevitable situation by the nature
[00:49:27] of this process. Of course, different ideas were discussed,
[00:49:31] all these were debated.
[00:49:34] As a result,
[00:49:35] we would like
[00:49:41] to thank all political parties on behalf of our party
[00:49:45] for their constructive contributions and efforts
[00:49:49] regarding the draft law that has emerged
[00:49:52] and the approach to this proposal.
[00:49:55] Not only political parties, but also social dynamics
[00:49:59] have brought the process to this point. In fact,
[00:50:03] it's late, but even though it's late, this new
[00:50:06] beginning is a very important beginning. I repeat,
[00:50:09] we call for not underestimating, ignoring, or
[00:50:12] rejecting this step due to its shortcomings,
[00:50:15] but rather for completing its shortcomings by expanding
[00:50:19] the social struggle with the broadest possible
[00:50:22] political consensus and determination."
[00:50:26] This proposal is the first
[00:50:29] stone of the legal foundation on which we can build
[00:50:33] a common future. From now on,
[00:50:36] for its historical value to be correctly
[00:50:40] understood and implemented, we naturally need
[00:50:43] democratic regulations to follow. As you know, this is directly
[00:50:47] and clearly referred to in the justification
[00:50:51] of the draft law. There are also
[00:50:54] evaluations made about the proposal
[00:50:57] with very valid concerns, some positive,
[00:51:01] some critical, as it should be. However,
[00:51:04] as a party, we say that the main
[00:51:07] question that needs to be asked at this moment
[00:51:10] is not whether the proposal alone meets all
[00:51:14] expectations, but rather
[00:51:17] how we will evaluate the historical opportunity
[00:51:20] that has opened up before
[00:51:28] us and what kind of path we will build together.
[00:51:32] Again, the scope of the proposal is much debated
[00:51:35] and will continue to be debated,
[00:51:39] but since yesterday, there is already some clear
[00:51:43] information about the scope of the proposal
[00:51:46] in the law. The proposal, of course,
[00:51:50] should not perpetuate legal uncertainty indefinitely.
[00:52:05] The proposal opens a path, it opens a path
[00:52:08] for return to the country. Returning to the country,
[00:52:12] transitioning from armed conflict to democratic
[00:52:15] life, is for the first time linked to
[00:52:19] a detailed and predictable legal procedure.
[00:52:23] Dozens of laws have been made in Turkey so far.
[00:52:26] A part of the regulations enacted in the past
[00:52:29] were based on individual secession, effective
[00:52:33] remorse, confession, or providing information,
[00:52:36] as you know. And none of them
[00:52:39] solved the problem.
[00:52:58] On the contrary, it deepened the lack of solutions,
[00:53:01] and
[00:53:09] on the contrary, it increased
[00:53:12] the pain. However, for the first time,
[00:53:15] this proposal contains an approach
[00:53:29] that regulates the collective situation
[00:53:32] that arises after the dissolution and disarmament
[00:53:37] of the organization, and we consider
[00:53:41] this approach important.
[00:53:47] Now, the statements
[00:53:47] are important. We will look
[00:53:52] at the headings in terms of the process. Ayşe Güldoğan
[00:53:55] says that this proposal
[00:53:56] is the first stone
[00:54:00] of a common future.
[00:54:02] She also adds,
[00:54:04] "It has shortcomings,
[00:54:18] but don't underestimate it because of these shortcomings."
[00:54:20] We will look at the details. Before we go to a break,
[00:54:24] let's quickly go to Ankara once more. Eda Erdağ
[00:54:28] is waiting for us there.
[00:54:29] Another
[00:54:32] important
[00:54:35] meeting. Uğur Mumcu's
[00:54:38] family is visiting the Minister of Justice
[00:54:42] Akın Gürlek. Previously, Minister Gürlek had met
[00:54:46] with the family of former Special Operations Chief
[00:54:49] Behçet Oktay. It will be an important
[00:54:52] meeting. Details are with Eda Erdağ.
[00:54:56] Eda. Bilge Yurtta Gülen.
[00:54:59] As you said, two very important meetings
[00:55:03] are taking place today at the Ministry of Justice.
[00:55:07] Minister of Justice Akın Gürlek met with the family
[00:55:10] of journalist and writer Uğur Mumcu.
[00:55:13] The meeting started at these minutes.
[00:55:17] It was announced that the meeting would start around 11:30
[00:55:20] and Uğur Mumcu's family entered.
[00:55:24] Akın Gürlek had made important statements
[00:55:27] regarding unsolved murders in recent days.
[00:55:31] He had announced that some files
[00:55:35] would be re-examined to shed light on unsolved
[00:56:10] murders. Gürlek had said that Uğur Mumcu's
[00:56:14] file would also be examined within this scope.
[00:56:17] Uğur Mumcu
[00:56:21] lost his life in a bomb attack
[00:56:24] that took place in front of his house
[00:56:27] in Ankara on January 24, 1993. He died as a result
[00:56:31] of an assassination. Uğur Mumcu's family had requested a meeting
[00:56:35] with Justice Minister
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[00:57:55] The taste of Turkey, Sarıkola presents.
[01:00:21] We took a break, we're back together. The cause and effect continues. We're
[01:00:24] with our second hour, Mehmet Teskan is with us.
[01:00:28] Now, before we move on to Mehmet Teskan's comments, let's
[01:00:31] go to Ankara once again. Dilan Altürk is waiting for us
[01:00:35] at the Grand National Assembly of Turkey in Ankara, with Aşkın
[01:00:38] Özdemir. The Parliament is busy. The framework law traffic
[01:00:42] continues. In this regard, there are important developments,
[01:00:45] of course. For example, what will be the attitude of the new
[01:00:49] party? We just brought Özgür Özel's statements to your screens.
[01:00:52] That traffic continues. On the other hand, immunities
[01:00:55] and dossiers are being discussed in Parliament. There is a
[01:00:59] critical meeting. Deputy Speaker of the Grand National Assembly
[01:01:02] of Turkey, Tekim Bingöl, will meet with Parliament Speaker Numan
[01:01:05] Kurtulmuş regarding the dossiers received about the MPs. The
[01:01:09] dossier regarding Özgür Özel and Veli
[01:01:11] Ağbaba had arrived, and thus Özgür
[01:01:15] Özel is the MP with the most dossiers against
[01:01:27] him, with 61 files. He had also shown his reaction
[01:01:30] in the general assembly, and yesterday he met with the
[01:01:34] group deputy speakers regarding the dossiers, because Özgür
[01:01:37] Özel had stated yesterday in the general assembly that
[01:01:39] every time he speaks, a new dossier is opened against
[01:01:43] him, and he indicated today that he would
[01:01:46] have a meeting with Numan
[01:01:56] Kurtulmuş on the dossiers. The dossier files that were initiated,
[01:02:00] and of course, whether these will come to the agenda
[01:02:03] of the parliament and be discussed in the mixed
[01:02:06] commission will also be watched. At the same time, there
[01:02:10] will be activity in the new party today at 13:00.
[01:02:13] You know, the process law was submitted to the parliament
[01:02:16] yesterday. The new party had not signed it, and
[01:02:20] their justification was that they would not sign a
[01:02:23] draft they did not know or see. However, Özgür
[01:02:26] Özel will gather his legal staff today and they will
[01:02:30] hold a meeting at 13:00. Along with the staff,
[01:02:33] the notes that will come out of there will be important,
[01:02:36] because the constitution, justice, and the staff of the
[01:02:40] new party will be in the meeting, and
[01:02:43] of course, with the result, we will see the
[01:02:47] clear stance of the new party on this law. Actually,
[01:02:50] Özgür Özel had stated in his statement yesterday
[01:02:54] that mistakes were made, but their general attitude
[01:02:58] is the same. We will learn what kind of reflection
[01:03:02] those statements will have today in minutes. Of course,
[01:03:05] the law proposal regarding the strengthening of national
[01:03:08] solidarity and social integration was submitted yesterday. It
[01:03:11] consisted of 12 articles. Today, Erdoğan and Bahçeli
[01:03:15] will have a meeting at Beştepe at 14:00. It
[01:03:18] will be a critical meeting between Erdoğan and Bahçeli. It will be
[01:03:22] the third meeting of the year, and in the
[01:03:26] previous two meetings, the process was on the
[01:03:30] agenda, and details regarding the process were shared
[01:03:33] between the two. And today, the two names
[01:03:36] will make some evaluations regarding the process law.
[01:03:39] Yesterday, there was an MGK meeting in AK
[01:03:42] Party, and Erdoğan thanked Bahçeli, who was the
[01:03:46] first to sign this process. Therefore, it
[01:03:50] is expected that this law proposal will be
[01:03:53] on their agenda today. Discussions will start in
[01:03:56] the Justice Commission on Friday, after 10:15.
[01:04:00] It is expected to come to the General Assembly
[01:04:03] on Sunday. It consists of 12 articles, and
[01:04:07] of course, all AK Party members signed this
[01:04:10] draft law, but in the MGK meeting held
[01:04:14] yesterday, we saw in the corridors that some
[01:04:18] AK Party members expressed concerns about whether they
[01:04:22] would get into trouble later, even though they
[01:04:25] signed it. We can state that some deputies expressed
[01:04:28] such concerns today. However,
[01:04:30] there is a detail in the 10th article of this
[01:04:33] law proposal. It states that there will be
[01:04:36] no criminal liability for the names involved in
[01:04:40] this law proposal for future processes. Of course, this
[01:04:44] concern of AK Party members stems from the
[01:04:47] previous solution process. Sırrı Süreyya Önder, one of
[01:04:51] the actors of the previous solution process,
[01:04:54] was tried. We can state that the deputies who
[01:04:57] signed this process draft also have similar concerns.
[01:05:00] It is expected that the new party's decision
[01:05:04] will be finalized today, because it will come
[01:05:07] to the Justice Commission tomorrow, and the deputies
[01:05:10] in the Justice Commission will discuss the 12
[01:05:13] articles again. Of course, Özgür Özel had stated
[01:05:16] yesterday that our deputies will be able to present
[01:05:20] their criticisms and suggestions in the commission. Perhaps
[01:05:23] tomorrow, when the draft comes to the agenda
[01:05:26] of the Justice Commission, we will see the new
[01:05:35] party's clear stance. Erdoğan will preside over the MGK at 15:30
[01:05:39] this time. This is expected to be the
[01:05:43] 4th MGK meeting of the year. In previous
[01:05:46] meetings, the process was again on the
[01:05:49] agenda. The Ministry of National Defense, MIT, and
[01:05:53] the Ministries of Internal and Foreign Affairs had
[01:05:56] prepared field reports, and those reports came to
[01:06:00] the agenda in those MGK meetings. And this
[01:06:03] process, actually, the law proposal prepared for the
[01:06:07] process, also refers to the MGK. Yes, it
[01:06:10] will become law after passing the General Assembly,
[01:06:14] but its entry into force will be subject
[01:06:17] to the decision of the MGK. It is expected that reports related
[01:06:21] to this process will also be on the
[01:06:24] agenda in today's MGK meeting. Critical meetings will
[01:06:28] be held today, both
[01:06:51] regarding the process and the dossiers. We expect
[01:06:55] it to come to the Justice Commission and
[01:06:59] then to the General Assembly on Sunday. Meanwhile,
[01:07:02] another hot development: The Ministry of National Defense
[01:07:06] also made a statement regarding this process just
[01:07:10] moments ago. It says "Terror-free Turkey is a
[01:07:13] strategic vision. All measures will be taken for
[01:07:17] a permanent security environment." In its statement made
[01:07:20] moments ago, the Ministry of National Defense says
[01:07:23] that "In line with the vision of a
[01:07:27] terror-free Turkey, completely and permanently removing terror
[01:07:30] from the agenda will provide significant contributions
[01:07:33] to the stability of our region, not just
[01:07:37] our country. In this respect, a terror-free Turkey
[01:07:40] is a strategic vision
[01:07:44] that strengthens national security and contributes to
[01:07:47] regional stability." It is stated that "The Turkish
[01:07:51] Armed Forces will continue to fulfill its duties
[01:07:54] and responsibilities in this process with determination,
[01:07:58] as it has until now." This is an
[01:08:02] important development. Yes. Now, should we
[01:08:06] take the headline of Cumhuriyet newspaper? Let the
[01:08:09] headline of Cumhuriyet come. And from there, let's
[01:08:12] see what Mehmet Teskan would add to the
[01:08:15] title "Process full of uncertainties." Cumhuriyet Newspaper
[01:08:19] says today: The framework law prepared
[01:08:22] with the partnership of AKP and MHP was
[01:08:26] submitted to the Parliament with the signatures of
[01:08:29] 360 deputies. Cumhuriyet Newspaper says there is no
[01:08:31] clear answer to the questions of who will
[01:08:35] lay down arms and how. It emphasizes that
[01:08:38] no date has been given regarding the calendar.
[01:08:42] This process will proceed according to the decision
[01:08:46] of the National Security Council that PKK has
[01:08:49] laid down its arms, which is subject to
[01:08:53] its publication in the Official Gazette. In this sense, Cumhuriyet Newspaper
[01:08:57] interprets it as an uncertainty. And a question,
[01:09:01] of course, a question on everyone's mind. Is
[01:09:05] a disguised amnesty coming? It is noted that
[01:09:08] the sentences of those who have not been
[01:09:11] involved in armed actions, but have been investigated
[01:09:14] or convicted for membership in a terrorist organization,
[01:09:18] aiding, or propaganda crimes, will be postponed for
[01:09:21] 5 to 10 years. What do you say?
[01:09:25] Now, there is an uncertainty here, yes, Cumhuriyet
[01:09:28] newspaper also underlined it. Now, the law
[01:09:32] has been passed. The law says that if
[01:09:35] it is determined that the PKK has laid
[01:09:39] down its arms, this will be reported
[01:09:42] to the security council. If it is confirmed,
[01:09:45] the law will be published in the Official
[01:09:48] Gazette and enter into force immediately. Those
[01:09:51] who apply within 6 months will benefit from
[01:09:54] these rights. Prisons will probably start to
[01:09:57] be emptied after that date.
[01:10:00] Now, there is no information on how much
[01:10:05] has been given. I mean, if the PKK
[01:10:08] says "I'm leaving", will it leave within
[01:10:12] a year, in 3 months, or in
[01:10:15] a month? In 45 days or 2
[01:10:19] months? Now there is no such time
[01:10:22] limit. I mean, if the PKK leaves
[01:10:25] its arms within 2 months or by
[01:10:29] the end of summer, it is now
[01:10:32] open-ended. If the PKK leaves slowly,
[01:10:36] then the law will be suspended.
[01:10:40] Now, the ball is
[01:10:42] this framework. The in the PKK's court, that's what I mean.
[01:10:45] Now, the faster the PKK acts,
[01:10:48] the more PKK members will benefit from
[01:10:52] PKK members will quickly benefit from
[01:10:56] it. I mean, sentences will be
[01:10:59] postponed for 10 years, 5 years.
[01:11:03] Those whose sentences are postponed for 5
[01:11:07] years will be able to engage in politics
[01:11:10] after 2 years, and those with
[01:11:14] 10 years will be able to engage
[01:11:18] in politics after 3 years. Those
[01:11:21] in Europe will come here after
[01:11:23] 2 years and engage in politics.
[01:11:27] Everything depends on the PKK's next
[01:11:31] step. The faster the PKK acts,
[01:11:34] this law will then come into
[01:11:38] effect. I mean, those who were sentenced
[01:11:41] to 15 years, 20 years, or
[01:11:44] life imprisonment for organizational membership
[01:11:47] or other reasons, who were not
[01:11:50] involved in crime, are also waiting
[01:11:53] for you. Perhaps there is a
[01:11:57] framework law that foresees the creation
[01:12:00] of pressure from below to the
[01:12:04] top leadership. It says that there
[01:12:07] are 2500-3000 people who are being
[01:12:10] pressured. Let's say
[01:12:12] 500 people refused to leave, but
[01:12:16] the remaining almost 2,000 people say
[01:12:19] their sentences are postponed. If they don't get involved
[01:12:23] in terrorism within 5 years, it
[01:12:27] disappears. There is definitely a group
[01:12:30] who say "I'll return to Turkey
[01:12:34] and look after myself," because living in
[01:12:37] the mountains is not easy. You
[01:12:41] are under threat at any moment.
[01:12:44] Now they will say that he
[01:12:47] withdrew to Qandil, fine, but there
[01:12:50] is a non-conflict process. But if
[01:12:54] this does not happen tomorrow or
[01:12:57] the day after, what kind of
[01:13:00] change will there be? Even the
[01:13:04] Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government can say
[01:13:07] "enough is enough" to the PKK.
[01:13:10] But on the other hand, the
[01:13:13] citizens are asking, wasn't the PKK
[01:13:16] completely finished? Didn't Interior Minister Süleyman
[01:13:20] Soylu tell us that? Well, in
[01:13:24] Turkish territories, there was a
[01:13:27] state of inaction, there were no
[01:13:30] actions. The last decision that came
[01:13:33] from Turkey regarding Öcalan actually led
[01:13:37] to a withdrawal, and the Zap
[01:13:41] camp and other camps on the
[01:13:44] border were emptied. Now, there are
[01:13:48] almost 10,000 people in Makhmour
[01:13:51] Camp. What will happen to them?
[01:13:54] They are probably waiting for this
[01:13:57] law. There are people who say
[01:14:00] "We never took up arms, we
[01:14:04] didn't commit any crimes, we escaped
[01:14:06] and came here. Let's return to
[01:14:10] Turkey now." They will put pressure
[01:14:14] on the top management of the
[01:14:16] PKK. But I think Öcalan will
[01:14:20] put the biggest pressure on the
[01:14:23] top management, because
[01:14:25] Öcalan said "start it." Will they
[01:14:28] resist him a little, or will
[01:14:32] they not resist him? They might
[01:14:34] find it insufficient or want more
[01:14:38] guarantees. Now, after this happens,
[01:14:41] as far as I understand, what
[01:14:44] does Fethi Bey, the MHP's legal deputy chairman,
[01:14:48] say? He says that the Political
[01:14:51] Parties Law will come, some changes in elections, and
[01:14:58] the Enforcement Law will come. That
[01:15:01] gelecek partisi kapatıldı zaten
[01:15:04] bilmiyoruz diğerleri katılır mı kimseyi böylece 400
[01:15:08] rakamına da ulaşılmış oluyor şimdi 400 rakamına işte onu diyeceğim acaba
[01:15:12] o bu çerçevenin bu bitti 6 ay sonra
[01:15:16] hadi o zaman gelin demokratikleşme falan
[01:15:19] deniyor ya hepsi şimdi bu 6 ay
[01:15:21] bitince bir süre diyelim ki 2 ayda bırak. 2
[01:15:25] ay üzerine bir 6 ay daha koyduk mu
[01:15:28] 2027'ye geldik acaba 2028'in
[01:15:32] şeyinde seçim eee Nisanında
[01:15:36] Mehmet Şimşek'e göre de Mehmet Uçum'a göre
[01:15:38] de sarayın başdanışmanı
[01:15:42] o zaman bir anayasa değişikliği mi koyacaklar önümüze bu ekip
[01:15:46] yani yine önümüze gelecek bir anayasa taslağı AK Parti
[01:15:49] MHP ve dem imzalı
[01:15:53] olabilir mi? bir ihtimal var, 400'ü
[01:15:57] bulunuyor, daha buna, bu
[01:15:59] desteğe bazı koşullarda
[01:16:02] CHP'nin o 20 milletvekili, 25 milletvekili de katılır veya
[01:16:06] katılmasa bile bir bir şey sağlandı, bak bir 400
[01:16:10] rakamına ulaşma, bağımsızlar
[01:16:12] var, şimdi bağımsızlar da herhangi bir
[01:16:16] şekilde bir parti kapılarını açarak gelin anayasaya
[01:16:20] katılım, siz de listemizde yer alalım
[01:16:23] deyip veya... işte gelecekten devadan da
[01:16:27] katılacaklar olabilir AK Parti saflarına yani bir 400'ü
[01:16:30] bulma konusundaki şeyi sıkıntıyı
[01:16:34] ben iktidar partisi aşağı yukarı aşmış gibi
[01:16:37] görüyorum dünkü ya demle
[01:16:40] MHP ve AK Parti'nin yan yana
[01:16:43] imza atması bu yasa için demek ki bunlar yan yana
[01:16:47] e bundan sonra bir anayasa değişikliği de lazım
[01:16:51] birkaç deme hoşuna gidecek madde ama iktidarın...
[01:16:55] veya iktidarın kalıcılığını sağlayacak birkaç maddede olabilir
[01:16:59] mi soru işareti olur veya olmaz
[01:17:02] ama öyle bir ihtimal göz önünde
[01:17:05] bulunduruluyor dünkü bu gelişmeyle
[01:17:07] birlikte peki eee bir gün gazetesinin manşetini
[01:17:11] gösterelim mi dersu biraz gazeteler nasıl görmüş onlara da bakalım eee bir
[01:17:15] günün manşeti gelsin sürecin ilk aşaması af demiş bir gün
[01:17:18] gazetesi eee o kanun teklifi
[01:17:21] meclisin kapısından içeri girdi diyor üstbaş.
[01:17:25] 2005 sonrası işlenen ağır suçlar
[01:17:28] dışında tüm eylemleri kapsıyor diye de
[01:17:32] eee haberin spotunda ayrıntılara yer vermiş bu 2005
[01:17:35] yılı sizce neden önemli o türkiye TCK'daki
[01:17:38] değişiklik evet TCK'daki değişiklikten
[01:17:41] sonrası sonraki süreci kapsıyor
[01:17:45] bu arada den parti eş genel başkanı Tuncer Bakırhan diyor ki
[01:17:49] eksiklere rağmen ilk adımı büyüteceğiz az önce Ayşe güldoğan da
[01:17:52] benzer bir açıklama yapmıştı eksikleri var ama'.
[01:17:56] var diye küçümsemeyn demişti, den parti'nin demek ki eksik bulduğu bir şey mi var e
[01:18:00] den parti da Öcalığın da içine katılması, statü
[01:18:03] verilmesi, umut hakkının verilmesi gibi bir takım şeyleri de istiyor. bilgilere
[01:18:19] göre acele etmeyin yavaş yavaş demiş tamam
[01:18:23] olabilir onlar ilade düzeltilir o adım bir atılsın
[01:18:26] dedikten sonra dem heyeti gelip imzaları attığı
[01:18:29] söyleniyor ondan önce biz karşıyız demişler bu kadar
[01:18:33] olmaz çünkü içinde Öcalan yok şey de
[01:18:36] yok'. e onlar bir direnç gösterir mi
[01:18:40] göstermez mi kandil'den daha ses yok
[01:18:43] evet ama belki yasanın çıkmasını bekliyorlardır
[01:18:46] pazartesiden sonra bütün şeyler kandil'de
[01:18:50] olacak bir şey daha var ki şimdi orada diyor ki şeyde Öcalanla
[01:18:53] görüşme Öcelanla görüşme eee talep
[01:18:57] edilirse
[01:19:00] izne bağlı şimdi izne bağlı sıkı bir izin
[01:19:03] şeyi var avukatlar arada sırada bu heyet gidip.
[01:19:07] geliyordu, şimdi artık kimi gazetecilerin gideceği ifade ediyor,
[01:19:11] ifade edilmeye başlandı, yani o şeyde dünkü basın
[01:19:14] toplantısında o izne bağlı o hani gevşetilebilir gibi
[01:19:18] bir hava vardı, yani bir grup gazeteci
[01:19:21] seçerler, başvurur, adalet bakanı şey
[01:19:25] verir, izin verir, işte Mudanya'dan koster
[01:19:28] kalkar, bir gün Öcelan'na geçirler,
[01:19:31] röportajlar, resimler falan olabilir, bir
[01:19:34] başka hafta akademisyenler gidip. gelebilir, yani
[01:19:38] Öcalan'ın
[01:19:41] statü konusunda ne diye istiyordu,
[01:19:44] statü, diyordu ki, bana statü
[01:19:46] verirseniz, ve umut hakkında beni biraz dışarı
[01:19:50] çıkartırsanız, ben PKK'ya daha
[01:19:53] rahat kontrol ederim, bana gelip gidişler olur, emeçlerimi
[01:19:57] veya taleplerimi hem Avrupa'ya, hem Kandil'e,
[01:20:00] hem Suriye'ye rahat iletirim, hı hı, akademisyenler ve
[01:20:04] gazeteciler veya kendi çevremden yani... siyasi
[01:20:08] çevresinden demlilerden bahsediyor gelip
[01:20:11] gidenler olursa eee
[01:20:13] ben onlara bu işi daha kolay kotarırım
[01:20:17] diyordu Bahçeli'nin de bütün
[01:20:19] ısrarı bu değil miydi Öcalan'a statü
[01:20:23] verelim ki hatta koordinatörü yapalım
[01:20:25] ki eee kardeşlik ve galiba demokrasi
[01:20:29] koordinatörü falan yapalım ki iş yürüsün diyordu
[01:20:32] Bahçeli şimdi o kalktı ortadan
[01:20:35] dünkü basın toplantısı. anladığım kadar o kalktı ama
[01:20:39] Öcalan'a dediler ki, ya biz izinleri gevşeteceğiz, gidiş
[01:20:42] gelişlere izin vereceğiz, sen bu statü şeyinen
[01:20:46] ısrarından vazgeç ki bu iş yürüsün veya
[01:20:50] galiba böyle ikna ettiler, bunu ne zaman doğru mu diyeyim
[01:20:53] ya bu bir şey
[01:20:56] öngörü veya o cümle arasındaki sözlerden bir
[01:20:59] cımbızlayarak yaptığım bir tahmin ne zaman belli
[01:21:03] olacak göreceğiz bunu bu yasa çıkacak PKK'nın adımlarını
[01:21:06] göreceğiz o ondan sonra acaba bir grup gazeteci
[01:21:10] Öcalan'a gidecek mi gitmeyecek mi? bir grup akademisyen gidip
[01:21:14] gitmeyeceğin de o zaman belli ol göreceğiz şimdi
[01:21:17] yani gazeteler nasıl görmüş diye bakıyoruz ya bir yandan da iktidar
[01:21:21] medyası nasıl görmüş ona da bakalım mesela sabah gazetesi var mı
[01:21:24] dersu elinde sabahı da gösterelim kardeşlik
[01:21:27] mutabakatı demiş mesela bu böyle bir manşetle çıkmış ne
[01:21:31] diyor 50 yıllık terör belasını bitirecek
[01:21:34] annelerin gözyaşını dindirecek yasa teklifi meclise. sunuldu
[01:21:37] diyor ve ayrıntılara yer vermiş, bunu da tarihi bir adım olarak
[01:21:41] nitelendiriyor, böyle bir manşet atmış, şimdi hürriyeti de gösterelim, dersodan rica
[01:21:45] edelim, hürriyette de eee Türkiye
[01:21:47] başaracak manşeti atılmış, eee
[01:21:51] güçlendirilmeyi daha doğrusu toplumsal bütünleşmenin, milli
[01:21:54] dayanışmanın güçlendirilmesine dair kanun teklifi dün geniş bir uzlaşmayla
[01:21:58] Meclis Başkanlığına sunuldu diyor, az önce ifade ettik, 360 milletvekili
[01:22:02] imzaladı, şöyle söylüyor Mehmet Deskan Hürriyet Gazetesi'nden
[01:22:05] okuyorum. eee cumhur ittifakından
[01:22:09] milletvekillerin tamamıyla den parti, CHP, yeni
[01:22:13] yol partisi, Hüdapar ve
[01:22:15] bağımsızlardan 360 milletvekili teklife imza attı
[01:22:19] diyor, böyle bir eee
[01:22:21] ifade kullanmış, yani yeni cumhur ittifakı, geleceğin Cumhur ittifakını
[01:22:25] mı acaba tarif ediyor, çok eleri bir okumam oltililerdir, yeni partililer
[01:22:29] de var, yeni yol partisi, yeni yol grubu, yani yeni yol grubu
[01:22:32] olabilir, yeni yol grubu için bir dağıldı, gelecek partisi ama
[01:22:36] yeni yol grubu yazmadı. anlaşırlarsa
[01:22:47] onlar başka bir parti olacaklar peki şimdi bir yandan
[01:22:50] da dili dili de anlamaya çalışıyoruz mesela Öcalan kapsam dışında
[01:22:54] tutuldu deniyor anlatılmış ayrıntılara yer verilmiş eee Türkiye'de
[01:22:58] ölüm cezası az önce ben Mehmet Teskan'a da sordum 2004 2005
[01:23:02] yılı neden önemli diye sordu 2005 sonrası geçerli ya şimdi bu
[01:23:06] TCK'daki değişiklik. 2004'te Türkiye'de
[01:23:09] ölüm cezası kaldırıldığı için bu tarih milat kabul edildi
[01:23:12] deniyor ve cümle şöyle devam ediyor: PKK Elebaşı
[01:23:16] Abdullah Öcalan'ın cezası da bu tarihten önce kesinlik.
[01:23:28] is, after these are done, will
[01:23:31] Öcalan be released with the Enforcement
[01:23:34] Law at the end of this
[01:23:38] 6 months? Or will these top
[01:23:42] Of course, on the one hand, I also look at this difference in language within the
[01:23:46] pro-government media, and I couldn't find it in the Yenişafak newspaper.
[01:23:49] I couldn't find it on the front page, they gave it a small
[01:23:52] headline. Why do you think that is? I mean, on the front page
[01:23:56] of Yenişafak Newspaper, let me show it, Şafak
[01:23:59] is a bit busy with the university preparing something, right?
[01:24:03] 60 pages, I guess. Alright, now we are
[01:24:07] of course discussing it in all its
[01:24:09] aspects. Is there no empty side of the glass, I wonder? Let me
[01:24:13] ask Mehmet Teskan that as well, because today in Karar newspaper,
[01:24:17] İbrahim Kiras is on the empty side of the glass.
[01:24:28] "Since there are plenty of optimistic and hopeful articles about the future of the
[01:24:31] process, let's also look at the empty side of the glass, because it's beneficial
[01:24:35] to talk about the risks of the issue rather than just expressing our wishes,
[01:24:39] because we are going through a process that cannot tolerate mistakes.
[01:24:42] The reason for one side of the bay being empty is primarily
[01:24:46] a lack of transparency. Secondly,
[01:24:49] the problem is not being solved by acting with legal consciousness and a sense of democracy,
[01:24:52] there is no will, intention, or even expectation
[01:24:56] for this. We are expecting the problem to be solved through negotiations between
[01:25:00] a political power that has a quite problematic relationship with the concepts of democracy,
[01:25:04] law, judiciary, and justice, and a violent movement
[01:25:07] that demands privilege instead of equality.
[01:25:10] Furthermore, we don't fully know
[01:25:14] what is being negotiated. In Turkey,
[01:25:17] before the 2010 constitutional referendum, the 2009 Kurdish
[01:25:20] opening was initiated. Turkey
[01:25:23] initiated it. And before the 2015 general
[01:25:27] election, the second solution process was started, he says.
[01:25:30] Erdoğan, in a speech he made at the time, said, 'Let's make the June 7
[01:25:33] elections a milestone in our country's history with New
[01:25:36] Turkey, a new constitution, the Presidential
[01:25:40] system, and the solution process.' He says that today's
[01:25:43] third attempt at a solution coming at a time when
[01:25:47] Erdoğan needs the votes of the HDP in parliament
[01:25:50] to be a candidate for the fourth time is a problem area
[01:25:54] that could prevent obtaining healthy results.
[01:25:57] So, he draws attention to this timing. In summary,
[01:26:00] as Mehmet Teskan stated earlier,
[01:26:04] when we look at the process, this
[01:26:08] process came when Erdoğan's candidacy for the fourth
[01:26:11] time was on the agenda. İbrahim Kiras makes such a
[01:26:15] comment regarding this timing. What
[01:26:17] do you say?
[01:26:20] Of course, there are some things that İbrahim Kiras
[01:26:23] brings up, the issue of citizenship,
[01:26:26] that is, we need to agree on a definition
[01:26:30] of citizenship. These shortcomings will
[01:26:33] continue in the future. There is ethnic identity and
[01:26:36] there is constitutional identity. He underlines the importance
[01:26:40] of building on constitutional identity on a solid foundation.
[01:26:43] There are also many people who find shortcomings
[01:26:46] in other matters. Uh, I guess
[01:26:51] I'm saying this on Friday, the empty
[01:26:54] side of the glass will be brought up by the İyi Party or
[01:26:57] some deputies in that commission,
[01:27:00] I guess. Should we do these things too? Maybe
[01:27:04] they will say later that we have them on our agenda,
[01:27:07] let's do this for the second stage or the third
[01:27:10] stage, I don't know, but what
[01:27:13] they say is true. Uh, we brought
[01:27:17] Özgür Özel's statement today about visiting veterans and
[01:27:20] martyr families to the screens. Today, he said, "I will answer
[01:27:24] your questions in parliament." So, he said, "I don't want to
[01:27:27] change the agenda here, I will answer in parliament." The journalists
[01:27:31] had questions yesterday. In his statements to Yetkin Report,
[01:27:34] Özgür Özel had again underlined a truth.
[01:27:38] He says, "Our stance is the same, there is no change in our previous
[01:27:42] stance, but a mistake has been made." Özgür Özel now
[01:27:46] says this: "There is no change in our political approach,
[01:27:49] however, it is an extremely wrong
[01:27:53] act in terms of method and style. To keep the text of the proposal
[01:27:57] a secret, get signatures on blank
[01:28:00] papers, and then deliver it to the Parliament Speaker's Office
[01:28:04] half an hour after sending it to other political parties is against the spirit of
[01:28:07] the matter," he says. There were parts 6 and 7 of
[01:28:11] the commission report we are in, regarding the process. This proposal
[01:28:14] is about part 6. These things, the 6th and 7th,
[01:28:18] should proceed not consecutively, but intertwined. Now, 6 is about the criminal
[01:28:21] law, and 7 is about democratization.
[01:28:24] After this law is enacted,
[01:28:28] in the period that will pass for the confirmation and determination of the laying down of
[01:28:32] arms, work needs to be done quickly to prepare
[01:28:35] part 7. Now, let me underline this again, this part 7
[01:28:39] is the part about democratization.
[01:28:42] The name of the commission, what was it, the name of the report,
[01:28:46] the name of the proposal is strengthening national solidarity and social
[01:28:49] integration. Therefore, the question of whether there is any democratization
[01:28:53] is on the agenda.
[01:28:56] There is no democratization, but there are plenty of indictments.
[01:28:59] Now, this last indictment was issued.
[01:29:03] Now it just occurred to me, Mehmet Yakup Yılmaz also wrote about this on T24.
[01:29:07] Yes, that's it. Now,
[01:29:11] if there's an indictment, how can there be bribery if it's not a public official?
[01:29:14] There's also a definition of giving and receiving bribes in the law.
[01:29:18] Now, a candidate selection or a convention issue.
[01:29:22] He says receiving and giving bribes.
[01:29:26] What does he say? He says receiving
[01:29:29] and giving bribes in a chain how will that be? Take bribes.
[01:29:34] Now, look at the most important thing in Turkey. Today,
[01:29:38] Karar Newspaper did something. İzzet Özgenç,
[01:29:41] isn't he one of Turkey's most respected
[01:29:44] with Adem Soyar, one of the most important, who also prepared
[01:29:48] the TCK (Turkish Criminal Code) that we just talked about. Adem Soyuyer.
[01:29:52] I mentioned him. Both of them are among Turkey's leading
[01:29:56] professors in criminal law, that is, professors who produce
[01:29:59] things. Come on, be a professor with a theory. Is it legal
[01:30:03] philosophy? I mean, why? He says, look,
[01:30:06] it seemed very important to me.
[01:30:10] He objected to the indictment on immunity. He says
[01:30:13] that the allegations in question are related to intra-party candidate
[01:30:17] selection and convention processes. He drew attention to this and
[01:30:20] argued that the accusations have no connection with the performance
[01:30:24] of the duty of a member of parliament.
[01:30:28] Regardless of whether it's true or not, he says,
[01:30:32] the alleged money transfer
[01:30:36] does not constitute the crime of bribery. that is,
[01:30:39] Öcalan, there if a candidate
[01:30:43] has given money to a party to be a candidate, hı hı, this
[01:30:47] claim is not that Özgür Özden took it and put it in his pocket, if he gave money to the CHP,
[01:30:50] if he gave money, this
[01:30:53] is not a crime, it is not bribery, he says.
[01:30:56] When we look at it this way, look, all
[01:31:00] the MPs, so far all the Mayors and... "All
[01:31:03] party leaders should put their hand on their heart,
[01:31:06] does the person they nominate give money to the party
[01:31:10] for expenses or not? Who among the AK Party has said
[01:31:13] that we give money for the election
[01:31:16] campaign? Then, if that person accepts it,
[01:31:20] are we going to accuse all general presidents
[01:31:23] of bribery? We nominate someone,
[01:31:26] and they put money in that pool. Where will they spend it? Let's say
[01:31:30] in some province, the mayor. You tell the mayor candidate
[01:31:34] to put 100,000 or 200,000
[01:31:37] or 1 lira.
[01:31:41] The amount of the bribe is not important. So, when they put that money,
[01:31:44] is that person considered to have given a bribe?
[01:31:48] I mean, if it's a CHP member or a new party member after the
[01:31:52] new fair division, that's how it's interpreted. But this new party's general
[01:31:55] president says that you
[01:31:58] took all that thing.
[01:32:02] The mayor takes 22 medicines a day,
[01:32:06] he probably has some mental distress. Why mental distress?
[01:32:10] What he says doesn't match what he says.
[01:32:13] An indictment is being prepared based on his allegations.
[01:32:16] That indictment alleges he took bribes in a chain reaction.
[01:32:19] He says it should be dropped. Why are they saying this? Because
[01:32:23] if the charge of bribery is dropped, he will be imprisoned and politically
[01:32:26] banned. There is such a thing. They say this came because a political
[01:32:30] ban would not be imposed for the indictments that have come so far, like Hakkari.
[01:32:34] İzzet Özgenç says that the professor says, "This is not bribery."
[01:32:38] And I say, then the mayor puts it in the pool.
[01:32:41] The MP
[01:32:43] gave this much money. Why are you giving
[01:32:46] it? Of course, I will give it. My party,
[01:32:50] my party should get posters, my party should
[01:32:53] rent a minibus so that we win the election.
[01:32:56] That's why I gave it, he says. Hı hı. So, is the person who
[01:33:00] took that money, who spent that money, considered to have taken a bribe?
[01:33:04] I don't think so.
[01:33:06] The professor also says that. He says no, he says
[01:33:10] this because you are a public official. For you to take money
[01:33:13] from me, I must give you something.
[01:33:15] I must give you something, a license,
[01:33:19] I must give you a tender, I must
[01:33:23] give you something for it to be bribery. If every candidate who puts
[01:33:26] money into his party is a briber, then
[01:33:30] the provincial chairman or general chairman who takes and spends
[01:33:33] that money is also a briber. If this indictment is like this,
[01:33:37] if the content of this indictment is like this, then send
[01:33:40] an indictment for all parties. Is there anyone who
[01:33:43] is a candidate without putting money? Let all the MPs speak out,
[01:33:47] how many MPs are there in each party? Hı hı.
[01:33:50] You became a candidate, did you put money
[01:33:54] in or not? But they will say, "We became candidates
[01:33:57] and then we put money in." Maybe you became a candidate because
[01:34:01] you promised to put money in. Who will prove this?
[01:34:04] I mean, there is no such crime. This is not bribery.
[01:34:08] For it to be bribery, it must be public. I must have a duty,
[01:34:11] and in return for this duty, I must use
[01:34:15] the money I received from you for my own benefit.
[01:34:18] I must give you something, I must give
[01:34:22] you a license, I must give you a tender, I must give you something
[01:34:25] for it to be bribery. The great
[01:34:28] law professors say so, they say that
[01:34:32] this does not fit. Even if there is money, we don't know
[01:34:35] Only "All deputies from
[01:34:37] the Mayor of Antalya has contradictory statements. First,
[01:34:40] he said no, then he said he put it there, then he said
[01:34:44] his son sent it. He said we met there,
[01:34:47] then of course,
[01:34:50] some photos, images that appeared in the public,
[01:34:53] especially regarding his family,
[01:34:55] uh, his arrest, his daughter-in-law,
[01:34:59] his son, and so on, he started making up other stories
[01:35:02] to get out. We saw his statements change day by day.
[01:35:06] Aşem, why wasn't he released then? When I look at it,
[01:35:10] were the things he said about the tenders insufficient?
[01:35:13] Insufficient. He couldn't support it. He says, "I took
[01:35:16] 1 million people. They asked me for a bribe. I took it to the CHP,
[01:35:20] I gave it. To whom did I give it? I don't know, it's like I gave
[01:35:23] 1 lira. Is there a record? No. Is there a video? No.
[01:35:26] How did the money come? In a backpack. Did you come by plane? Yes.
[01:35:30] How did you pass? No. But there is an indictment.
[01:35:33] How will it be? Look, the legal
[01:35:36] professors, I read from them, they say it won't happen.
[01:35:39] I mean, Mehmet Yakup Yılmaz wrote
[01:35:43] on T24, "There's no other way, asked Mehmet Teskan
[01:35:47] why the years 2004-2005 are important.
[01:35:51] It applies after 2005. Now, this
[01:35:53] change in the Turkish Penal Code.
[01:35:57] It is said that this date
[01:36:00] was accepted as a milestone because
[01:36:03] the death penalty was abolished in
[01:36:07] Turkey in 2004. And the sentence
[01:36:10] continues: "The sentence of PKK leader
[01:36:14] Abdullah Öcalan was finalized before this
[01:36:17] date." If this law
[01:36:21] is implemented after 6 months, if
[01:36:25] results are obtained, then when new
[01:36:28] laws come, then everyone says, "What's
[01:36:32] in it? Let it be released."
[01:36:35] belediyelerle çalışan bir iş insanı ama CHP'li
[01:36:39] belediyele çalıştığında
[01:36:41] suçmişyeler suç örgütür. dolayısıyla
[01:37:03] oradaki gelişmeleri de ekranlara getireceğiz ibb
[01:37:07] davasında bugün tutukluluk incelemesi günü
[01:37:10] şimdi o zaman son olarak şöyle
[01:37:12] soralım.
[01:37:15] de yaklaşık 2 trilyon dolardan fazla yük getirdi bu terör
[01:37:18] belası eee on binlerce yurttaşımızı kaybettik
[01:37:22] 40 yıldır değil mi Türkiye bu terör
[01:37:24] belasından eee kurtulamadı bir türlü kurtulmayı
[01:37:28] kim istemez hepimiz ister eee ama tabii bu bazı soruları da
[01:37:32] sorarak eee bu sürecin ilerlemesi gerekiyor soruları soran herkese vay
[01:37:36] sen eee bunun karşısında mısın eee
[01:37:40] sorusunun da sorulmaması lazım mesela benim sorum şu bunu dün
[01:37:44] sormuştum bugün de soracağım e şimdi bir yandan toplumsal bütünleşme
[01:37:47] güçlensin diyeceksiniz, diğer yandan Türkiye'nin
[01:37:51] birinci partisinin genel başkanının 62
[01:37:54] fezlekesini meclise gönderip
[01:37:57] ham 30 tane belediye başkanını tutuklayarak
[01:38:01] diyeceksiniz, bu bir çelişki yaratıyor, bu
[01:38:04] coşkuyu şey yapıyor, bugün galiba yine şeyde İsmet Berkan
[01:38:08] yazmış, peki bu kadar büyük bir hamleye niye toplumda
[01:38:12] coşku yok diyor, bu yüzden yok. Toplumun bir
[01:38:16] kısmı kırılgan, bir kısmı kendi belediye başkanı
[01:38:19] seçmişin, tutuklu diyor falan, bu arada
[01:38:23] eee şimdi Resul Emrahşahan biliyorsunuz tutuklu
[01:38:27] Şişli belediye başkanı ve ilk
[01:38:29] olarak kent soruşturması kapsamında kent uzlaşısı
[01:38:33] kapsamında gözaltına ya o zaman tabii bu terörsüz
[01:38:36] Türkiye süreci başlamamıştı hatırlayacaksınız o zaman
[01:38:39] PKK ile işbirliği yapan CHP suçluydu suçluydu ve jet
[01:38:42] hızıyla eee Şişli belediye.
[01:38:57] süreç itibariyle bakın şöyle söylüyor:
[01:39:00] cezaevinde zaman yavaş akıyor,
[01:39:03] yavaşlık 40 yılın acıları üzerine, derinlemesine
[01:39:06] düşünme imkanı veriyor. Bugün Meclise sunulan metni okurken
[01:39:10] aklımdan ilk geçen buydu, evet eksikleri var, kaygı veren yanları
[01:39:14] var. Türkiye'nin ihtiyaç duyduğu kapsamlı demokratikleşmenin
[01:39:17] de hayli gerisinde. Ama bu toprağa yıllardır
[01:39:21] acıya, evleri yasa boğan bir meselede hukukun
[01:39:24] kapısı ilk kez aralanıyor. Ben o kapın. yeniden
[01:39:28] kapanmamasından yanayım. Kürt meselesinin çözümü kimsenin
[01:39:32] lütfu olmamalı. Esas olan hepimizin eşit yurttaşlar
[01:39:35] olarak ortak bir gelecek kurma iradesidir.
[01:39:39] Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci yüzyılında bu ülkenin her bir ferdinin hak ettiği
[01:39:42] eşit yurttaşlığın, adaletin ve demokrasinin yeniden hayat
[01:39:46] bulduğu bir Türkiye mümkündür. O hedefe
[01:39:48] ulaşıncaya kadar koşullar ne olursa olsun, hukuksuzluklara da,
[01:39:52] butlanlara da, haksız tutuklamalara da aynı
[01:39:55] kararlılıkla itiraz etmeye devam. edeceğiz, hayalini kurduğumuz
[01:39:59] yeni nesil siyaset de bunun taşıyıcısı olmalı,
[01:40:02] geçmişin korkularını devralıp büyüten bir siyaset değil,
[01:40:06] birlikte yaşama cesaretini büyütecek bir siyaset,
[01:40:10] eksiğiyle fazlasıyla bu bir başlangıç, ortak gelecek
[01:40:13] için ben başlamaktan yanayım diyor, önemli bir
[01:40:16] paylaşım ekranlarınıza getirmek istedik, resul
[01:40:19] emrah şahn eee ki eee artık geçtiğimiz
[01:40:23] hafta 500 gününü cezaevinde dolduran
[01:40:25] isimlerden biriyim.
[01:40:28] dünyaya bakalım mı biraz bir yansıması var mı acaba biz bunları
[01:40:32] konuşurken dünya ne konuşuyor ışın ev için siyaset
[01:40:35] Amerika Birleşik Devletleri'nde güçleniyor diyerek başlıyorum
[01:40:39] ben burada ben burada araya girip izleyicilerimizden lütfen bu
[01:40:42] bölümü özellikle dikkatle dinlemelerini tavs yeni
[01:40:45] nesil siyaset dedik ya evet yeni nesil siyaset önemli
[01:40:49] şimdi Amerika Birleşik Devletlerinde Michigan'da
[01:40:52] bir mini devrim oldu diyebiliriz Michigan'da
[01:40:56] Demokrat Parti. "nin ön seçimleri vardı, hem kasım ayında
[01:40:59] biliyorsunuz kongre seçimleri var, hem temsilciler meclisi
[01:41:03] hem senato için adayları, demokrat
[01:41:06] parti'nin yöneticilerinin destekledikleri
[01:41:09] değil, hı hı, ilerici kanat demokratik
[01:41:13] sosyalist kanat kazanmış oldu, şimdi bunlar önemli,
[01:41:17] aslında eee hepsi sosyal demokrat refah
[01:41:20] devleti'nin savunuyor, ama Amerika için bu kadar
[01:41:24] olağanüstü bir şey ki eee tabii." "rakipler,
[01:41:28] cumhuriyetçiler bunlara komünist, sosyalist
[01:41:31] ülkeyi, yaşam tarzımızı tehdit ediyorlar
[01:41:34] diye yaftalıyor, e yalnız şunun altını çizmek
[01:41:37] isterim, eee biz de artık Amerika'ya benziyoruz, bir
[01:41:41] sosyal refah devleti olduğumuz tartışılır,
[01:41:44] dolayısıyla savundukları değerler hepimiz
[01:41:46] için önemli, onları hatırlatmak istiyorum, işçi
[01:41:50] hakları, sendikal haklar, herkes için
[01:41:53] sağlık güvencesi, milyarder,
[01:41:56] milyarderlerden" daha fazla vergi alınması yani
[01:41:59] servet vergisi ve İsrail'e Amerika Birleşik
[01:42:03] Devletleri'nin silah satışının engellenmesi koşulsuz desteğe
[01:42:07] karşı şimdi onlardan bunu Amerika'da mı Türkiye'de mi söylemiş
[01:42:10] bunu Türkiye'de savunanlar var daha güçlü savunmak
[01:42:14] gerekiyor daha güçlü savunmak gerekiyor ama Amerika Birleşik
[01:42:17] Devletleri için bu anlamda devrim çünkü bu talepler
[01:42:21] demokrat parti içinde daha geniş bir kitle oluyor bu
[01:42:24] seçimleri kazanmalarıyla daha
[01:42:28] Şimdi eee iki tane temsilciler Meclisi adayı kazandı ama
[01:42:32] asıl büyük eee devrim
[01:42:34] diyelim ki senato için aday oldu. Doktor Abdüll
[01:42:38] El Saet 41 yaşında Mısırlı göçmen bir
[01:42:42] ailenin çocuğu eee tabii o
[01:42:45] da doktor ve Halk sağlığı uzmanı
[01:42:48] kampanyasını da aynı değerler üzerine oturttu.
[01:42:51] Gazze'de olana bitene bir kere açıkça soykırım diyor. Bu
[01:42:55] Amerika Birleşik Devletleri'nde siyasi.
[01:43:06] ona karşı yarışan demokrat parti adayını
[01:43:09] içinde bu İsrail lobisi de dahil olmak üzere
[01:43:12] destekçileri 60 milyon dolar harcadılar kampanya
[01:43:16] reklamları şu o nasıl yaptı 5 milyon dolar toplayabildi
[01:43:20] ama tek tek bireylerden küçük
[01:43:23] paralar ve gönüllülerle çalıştı bu kısmı da çok.
[01:43:34] bir kere Amerika'da sandığa gitmeyen gençleri hareketlendirdi, gençlerin oyu çok önemli, eee yöntemlerine
[01:43:37] biraz bakmak lazım, biraz Zohra Mamdani'yi
[01:43:41] hatırlıyor, zaten ilk tebrik edenlerden biri de Zohran Mamdani
[01:43:44] oldu, ve eğer seçilirse senatoya Amerika Birleşik
[01:43:47] Devletleri'nin ilk Müslüman senatörü olacak, bu da tabii
[01:43:51] eee rakipler için ve özellikle
[01:43:54] Trump yönetimi için böyle alarm zilleri demiş.
[01:44:10] ayet diye geçiyor ama eee bu
[01:44:13] adını eee kullanarak örneğin JD Vence dedi ki tanrı
[01:44:16] korusun dedi 3 sene sonra Elsayet isimli bir başkan
[01:44:20] olabilir yani öyle bir endişeyi dile getiriyor korkutuyor
[01:44:23] otherwise there won't be such an indictment,"
[01:44:26] they say. Let's see what happens. The Parliament
[01:44:30] Speaker can send it back, he can say no. What kind
[01:44:33] of thing is this? Look what I'm saying, let them hold a vote,
[01:44:37] "Who among you made a financial contribution to your party?"
[01:44:40] All the MPs will raise their hands. Are all of them bribers?
[01:44:44] Will they raise them after this stage? I don't know.
[01:44:46] Will they say they didn't give it?
[01:44:50] They proudly say, "I helped my party this much, I gave
[01:44:53] this much money, I did this, I did that, I bought posters." All of
[01:44:56] that is bribery then. Even if you give 1 lira, it's bribery.
[01:44:59] Even if you give 1 million lira, there's no amount of bribery. Now, of course, in the IBB
[01:45:03] case, we saw very similar things, just like Aziz İhsan
[01:45:07] Aktaş, right? I mean, a businessman who receives
[01:45:10] tenders from the public, who works with state institutions,
[01:45:14] who works with Justice and Development Party municipalities. But when
[01:45:17] he worked with CHP municipalities,
[01:45:21] they said he was a criminal. He was a criminal organization. Therefore,
[01:45:24] we will also bring those developments to the screens. Today is the day of detention
[01:45:28] review in the IBB case. Now, let's ask one last question.
[01:45:32] This curse of terrorism has caused a burden of approximately
[01:45:35] more than 2 trillion dollars. We have lost tens of
[01:45:38] thousands of our citizens. For 40 years, hasn't Turkey
[01:45:41] been unable to get rid of this curse of terrorism?
[01:45:44] Who wouldn't want to get rid of it? We all do.
[01:45:48] Uh, but of course, this process needs to proceed by asking
[01:45:51] some questions. For everyone who asks questions, it shouldn't be asked,
[01:45:55] "Are you against this?" For example, my question is this,
[01:45:58] I asked this yesterday and I will ask it again today.
[01:46:02] On the one hand, you will say that social integration should be strengthened,
[01:46:06] and on the other hand, you will say that by sending 62
[01:46:10] indictments of the leader of Turkey's leading party to parliament
[01:46:13] and arresting 30 mayors.
[01:46:16] This creates a contradiction.
[01:46:20] This spoils the enthusiasm. This is
[01:46:24] what he means. Today, I guess İsmet Berkan
[01:46:28] also wrote, "Why is there no enthusiasm in society for such a
[01:46:31] big move?" He says, this is why. A part of society
[01:46:34] is fragile, a part of it has elected
[01:46:37] its own mayor, and he is
[01:46:41] arrested, he says. By the way,
[01:46:44] uh, now, Resul Emrahşahan, as you know, is
[01:46:47] the arrested Şişli mayor and was initially
[01:46:51] detained within the scope of the urban investigation, within the scope of urban
[01:46:55] reconciliation. At that time, of course, the Turkey without
[01:46:58] terrorism process had not started, you will remember. At that time,
[01:47:02] the CHP, which collaborated with the PKK, was guilty, was guilty, and at
[01:47:05] jet speed, uh, the Şişli municipality. In terms of the process, he
[01:47:10] says this: Time passes slowly in prison.
[01:47:13] This slowness allows for deep reflection on
[01:47:17] the pains of 40 years. This was the first thought that came
[01:47:20] to my mind as I read the text submitted to Parliament today. Yes, it has shortcomings,
[01:47:23] and there are aspects that cause concern. It is also far behind the comprehensive democratization that Turkey needs.
[01:47:27] However, for the first time, the door of justice
[01:47:31] is being opened in an issue that has brought pain to this
[01:47:35] land and mourning to homes for years. I am in favor of that
[01:47:38] door not closing again. The solution to the Kurdish issue
[01:47:42] should not be anyone's favor. What is essential is our
[01:47:45] will to build a common future as equal citizens.
[01:47:48] In the second century of our Republic, a Turkey where equal citizenship,
[01:47:52] justice, and democracy, which every individual of this country
[01:47:55] deserves, are revived is possible. Until
[01:47:58] we reach that goal, no matter what the conditions, we will continue
[01:48:02] to object with the same determination to unlawfulness, invalidities, and unjust
[01:48:06] arrests. The new generation of politics we dream of
[01:48:30] should be its bearer, not a politics that takes
[01:48:34] over and amplifies the fears of reminds, how
[01:48:36] important it was, so I found it very valuable for us to remember.
[01:48:41] Thank you very much to Halk TV's foreign news director, he was with
[01:48:44] us. Saturday, yes, Halk TV
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[01:57:42] In Turkey, citizens are trying to stay afloat with social
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[01:57:49] data, the number of people applying to the state for social aid has increased,
[01:57:52] reaching 27 million, we asked the public, do you think
[01:57:56] poverty is increasing in Turkey? It has increased, it is increasing,
[01:57:59] retirees are also poor now, before my father bought both his car
[01:58:03] and his house with his retirement salary. with his retirement money and bonus,
[01:58:06] now he can't even buy a car, maybe he's buying a bracelet for his wife
[01:58:10] with that money and that's it, he can't do anything
[01:58:13] else because we're getting poorer and poorer because
[01:58:16] it's increasing, I mean when you go to the market
[01:58:20] you can't find what you bought last week at the same price. When this is the case,
[01:58:24] what does the citizen do? Instead of buying three apples, one kilo of
[01:58:27] apples, now he buys two, two tomatoes, and I'm one of them,
[01:58:31] of course it's increasing, and it's increasing well, it's not not increasing, of course
[01:58:35] it's increasing, I mean, you go to the market, you can't buy anything,
[01:58:39] you go to the market, you can't buy anything, I mean, today the worst thing is today's
[01:58:42] fruit, today it's at least 100 lira, the worst fruit
[01:58:45] is 100 lira, today tomatoes are 50 lira, I mean, what should I do, what
[01:58:49] should the public do, yes poverty is increasing
[01:58:52] more and more, people are not getting richer, they are getting poorer and poorer, I have
[01:58:56] observed it that way, I think so and it is so, I see it in my practical
[01:59:00] life, I'm working at 70, it's increasing
[01:59:02] it's increasing a lot, in our youth
[01:59:05] "it was a little less, 10 years ago it was a little more, I mean
[01:59:08] this is increasing more and more, of course if this system continues,
[01:59:12] I'm afraid we'll become like India in 10-15 years. I was just passing
[01:59:16] this street, it said 'hanging bread', I mean,
[01:59:19] think about it, in European countries, in other
[01:59:21] countries, people are planning how to remove bread from their lives,
[01:59:25] while they are thinking about that, the fact that people
[01:59:29] here are in need of hanging bread is a very big
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[02:00:19] Hello from Halk Television screens, I am İrem Sansak.
[02:00:22] Our clock shows 13:00. Until our clock shows 16:00, that is, for exactly 3
[02:00:26] hours, we will be with you with hot topics from Turkey
[02:00:29] and the world. We have guests,
[02:00:32] we will evaluate the agenda, hot topics one by one with
[02:00:35] our guests. If you have any questions, you can reach us on social
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[02:00:41] us. My reporter and cameraman friends are completing their preparations,
[02:00:44] but before that, as always, let's say the headlines
[02:00:48] of the day and talk about them one by one. The headline of the day was
[02:00:51] a meeting on April 30th
[02:00:54] at the presidential palace and today
[02:00:56] at 14:00. it's a truly important