HALKTV — Mehmet Tezkan ile Neden Sonuc
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[00:00:23] A journalist was also
[00:00:33] "Now, in the first part, it will become clear today at 4 PM,
[00:00:36] what our situation will be, we may see a diesel price approaching 100 liras,
[00:00:40] there is not much optimistic news for pensioners
[00:00:43] or for the minimum wage regarding January,
[00:00:47] you increase the minimum wage by 25%, it remains below the hunger line, it slightly exceeds
[00:00:51] 35 thousand, you know the hunger line approached
[00:00:54] 37,000, when you look at it this way, oil
[00:00:58] prices are increasing by 30% in the world." In our country, it is increasing by 400%,
[00:01:02] it is not very possible to understand this in 3 years, add exchange rate, add tax, add profit,
[00:01:09] do not really say that your
[00:01:13] tax has decreased. We buy the most expensive car and the most expensive mobile
[00:01:16] phone in the world, we pay the most expensive rent,
[00:01:20] you look at the housing problem, rent prices, really, I don't know if
[00:01:24] a 15-thousand-unit rental housing project
[00:01:27] will solve our problem.
[00:01:41] "I don't want to mention his name, I'm ashamed," he says, "He gave a statement chewing gum,"
[00:01:45] he says, he's talking about Ahmet Davutoğlu's statement,
[00:01:48] then who shook hands with whom, who
[00:01:52] greeted whom, who attended, who couldn't attend, the discussions
[00:01:55] are growing, other discussions are emerging from there, such as
[00:01:58] a villa for Öcalan. Today, the İmralı delegation
[00:02:01] is going to the island to visit
[00:02:04] Öcalan. The Den Party delegation is going to İmralı today.
[00:02:08] So, when you look at it, Kozinoğlu's grave is opened 15
[00:02:11] years later. The grave opening process
[00:02:14] is being done. After that, other discussions, other statements
[00:02:18] emerge. Now we will discuss all of these. We will discuss it like this:
[00:02:21] in the first part, Ekrem İmamoğlu's political ban
[00:02:25] and 2 years, one month prison sentence will go to the appeals court.
[00:02:28] Let's see what the result will be, will other
[00:02:32] results emerge from there? For example, municipalities, the last municipalities, the AK
[00:02:36] Party won 90 municipalities from many parties, but approximately
[00:02:39] 35 of them are metropolitan municipalities,
[00:02:43] a large majority, 31
[00:02:46] are CHP. In Istanbul alone, there are 12
[00:02:49] districts and it continues. We have discussed all these,
[00:02:53] now let's see what other
[00:02:55] topics we have. Now, Kozinoğlu,
[00:03:00] Kaşif Kozinoğlu, in 2011,
[00:03:04] even on November 12, 2011, while he was in prison
[00:03:07] in Silivri, our guests, Mr. İbrahim and
[00:03:10] our other guests, also told us that
[00:03:14] he was tracking and working on
[00:03:17] the fight against FETO in Central Asia.
[00:03:21] It is claimed, it is claimed. Then
[00:03:24] in the Ergenekon case, he goes to prison,
[00:03:28] he is arrested. Then, in November 2011, he pressed
[00:03:31] the emergency button, but
[00:03:35] there are allegations that the sound of the emergency button
[00:03:38] was suppressed by a guard connected to FETO,
[00:03:42] and that there was a late intervention. The family says
[00:03:46] it was a suspicious death.
[00:03:49] They have been saying this for years, and 15 years later, his grave
[00:03:53] is opened again to re-evaluate
[00:03:56] this death, whether it was a heart attack or another reason.
[00:04:00] Did his mother die? But something like this happens:
[00:04:03] the grave was opened on Saturday, the procedure was done. Now,
[00:04:06] with new evidence,
[00:04:09] they will try to shed light on the matter and reach a definitive conclusion.
[00:04:13] Akın Gürlek, the Minister of Justice, also made a statement in this regard. But
[00:04:16] it goes back to the TV series Kurtlar Vadisi in 2011. Two days before
[00:04:20] November 12, that is, before Kaşif Kozinoğlu's
[00:04:23] death, in the series, a prisoner named Kazım
[00:04:27] Kaşifoğlu
[00:04:32] is killed by someone nicknamed
[00:04:34] Kara by injecting air
[00:04:38] into his arm with a syringe. The
[00:04:42] dialogues and
[00:04:44] the process there are also very
[00:04:48] similar. Two days later, Kaşif Kozinoğlu died on the way
[00:04:51] while being taken to Silivri State Hospital. First in the film,
[00:04:54] then first in the series, then in real
[00:04:57] life. And Kazım Kaşifoğlu
[00:05:00] and Kaşif Kozinoğlu, the names are also
[00:05:04] placed like that in the series. The death of the
[00:05:07] MIT officer Kaşif Kozinoğlu
[00:05:10] is now...
[00:05:16] Aysan was called to give a statement, the screenwriters
[00:05:18] of this series, these are what we experienced 15-16 years later.
[00:05:21] Then there are detentions, there are arrests, Selahattin
[00:05:25] Günday was
[00:05:28] arrested, his
[00:05:30] arrest also took place on Friday.
[00:05:36] arrested due to the news he made at that time.
[00:05:39] There is no footage because it is in the written press. He works, there is no
[00:05:43] camera, and I obtained
[00:05:46] the information from various sources, he says, not directly from me, I mean,
[00:05:50] he says that at that time, other news was also published in other newspapers,
[00:05:54] he was arrested, and a discussion flared up
[00:05:57] there too, no one understood that either,
[00:06:00] so such a process was experienced 15 years later.
[00:06:04] Now, I don't know Selahattin, Selahattin Günday,
[00:06:07] he is
[00:06:09] an opponent,
[00:06:11] that is, let's say left-wing media, he is a person who woke up
[00:06:14] in the left-wing media
[00:06:16] who has
[00:06:18] no connection with FETO, on the contrary, he is stated to be an enemy.
[00:06:22] But now one thing
[00:06:25] catches my attention, I saw it from Hüseyin Ersöz's post,
[00:06:29] now I'm quoting from the posts, I'm quoting
[00:06:32] from what's written, they say
[00:06:34] that the incident is 2011,
[00:06:38] uh-huh, arrest and
[00:06:41] arrest. I mean, the date this crime is said to have occurred
[00:06:44] is 2026, yes, 15 years pass,
[00:06:48] uh-huh, it should be statute of limitations. The footage
[00:06:52] you mentioned, Kaşif Kozinoğlu entering the
[00:06:55] Beşiktaş courthouse, what is that? Let's talk about what happened before.
[00:06:58] Kaşif Kozinoğlu leaves the military. He joins MIT during Hakan Fidan's
[00:07:02] term as MIT head, and MIT sends him to Central
[00:07:05] Asia during Hakan Fidan's term. The claim related to
[00:07:09] monitoring in Central Asia is
[00:07:12] that Kaşif Kozinoğlu was following FETO schools and FETO
[00:07:15] structures in Central Asia.
[00:07:18] Then Zekeriya Öz calls him for a talk,
[00:07:21] calls him to give a statement, he comes, while he is called for a talk
[00:07:25] to give a statement, boom, arrest. You go to the courthouse for a talk, arrest.
[00:07:28] This weekend, something else interesting happens,
[00:07:32] suddenly, what happens?
[00:07:36] For Zekeriya Öz, 8 years passed, statute of limitations came. Zekeriya
[00:07:39] Öz and the other Chechen ones,
[00:07:42] there are other FETOist prosecutors, they said statute of limitations.
[00:07:46] Oh my God, now you say
[00:07:50] there is no 15-year statute of limitations for the journalist,
[00:07:53] you said statute of limitations for Zekeriya Öz. The prosecutor's office objected,
[00:07:57] when it gained a lot of public attention, when it gained public attention,
[00:08:01] when there was a reaction, they cancelled
[00:08:04] it. The prosecutor's office objected, they cancelled it. Now let's come to
[00:08:08] Selahattin Günday. What did Selahattin Günday shoot?
[00:08:11] March. March 2011.
[00:08:14] Now, they didn't take the date the footage was shot
[00:08:18] as a basis. If they did, March 2026, 15 years
[00:08:21] would have passed. The date the footage was shot was not
[00:08:25] taken as a basis. The date Kaşif Kozinoğlu died was taken
[00:08:28] as a basis. My friend, if
[00:08:32] I committed a crime, let's say, the date
[00:08:35] I committed the crime is March 2011. No, our
[00:08:38] judiciary said it's not like that, they took the date he died as a basis.
[00:08:44] "There is a difference between the death of Kaşif Kozu and the date the footage was shot, the footage you are accusing him of.
[00:08:48] No, they said it's not like that.
[00:08:51] Two, they say, now
[00:08:54] the prosecutor's office gave the IHA footage,
[00:08:57] IHA, Ihlas News Agency, in the footage,
[00:09:01] Selahattin Günday, the name is not Demirören, it's Doğan News
[00:09:04] Agency. There are three things
[00:09:08] here, one of them is the prosecutor's office."
[00:09:12] They give the top, Selahattin is in DHA, Doğan News
[00:09:15] Agency, uh-huh, and even more interestingly,
[00:09:19] the first one to give the footage was Cihan News Agency. Yes,
[00:09:22] it's a different one, the first one to give the footage was Cihan News Agency. My
[00:09:26] friend, how is it
[00:09:28] that instead of March 2011, you don't take
[00:09:32] March 2011, which you said was the date the footage was shot,
[00:09:35] as a basis? When do you take it? You take
[00:09:38] the date Kaşif Kozunoğlu died as a basis. This way, you remove
[00:09:43] the 15-year statute of limitations. The general regulation
[00:09:46] regarding MIT was made in 2014.
[00:09:49] In 2014, that is, 3 years later,
[00:09:53] you apply the regulation made 3 years later to an event that happened 3 years ago.
[00:09:57] For example, let's say, let's say,
[00:10:00] it was forbidden for white cars
[00:10:02] to be on the road. Well, in 2025,
[00:10:06] you wouldn't be able to arrest someone who drove a white car in 2025,
[00:10:10] even if you removed white cars from traffic now,
[00:10:12] because at that time, white cars were allowed. So why
[00:10:16] would you arrest them? Now, the MIT law
[00:10:19] was regulated in 2014.
[00:10:22] Uh-huh. The event
[00:10:26] you attribute to Selahattin Günday
[00:10:29] is 2011. Plus,
[00:10:32] I repeat, you're not using March 2011,
[00:10:35] you're using the date he died, November 2011.
[00:10:38] Two, you gave
[00:10:40] IHA, you're giving the first IHA footage, the man says
[00:10:44] he was in DHA, plus you're saying that the first footage
[00:10:48] was shot by Cihan anyway. At that time, Cihan News Agency even
[00:10:51] boasted about shooting this footage.
[00:10:54] Of course, but you arrested
[00:10:57] Selahattin Günday. Now come to Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[00:11:00] case, come on, tell me. He gave two acquittals.
[00:11:03] The appeals court said, his statement was not taken. You call him to take the defendant's statement.
[00:11:07] So the defendant was acquitted again. Then the judge changes,
[00:11:10] you call him. You give a sentence, you give a political ban.
[00:11:14] What kind of situation have we come to, what are we experiencing?
[00:11:17] Now, of course, when
[00:11:20] Kozinoğlu first
[00:11:24] faced this death, we were also journalists and we were following
[00:11:27] it. Kozinoğlu served for 34 years, 17 of which were in MIT, so he has a very long service
[00:11:31] period, a state duty, and before that, he was in the Special Forces Command, he also worked with Hakan Fidan for a period.
[00:11:35] We followed that too. Now I'm also following the discussion closely, but I can't
[00:11:38] figure out, I mean, a lot of information comes to us, what I can't figure out is
[00:11:41] why now and what they are aiming for, what
[00:11:45] they want to do, this is very vague and not at all clear.
[00:11:49] 17 years,
[00:11:52] approximately the last
[00:11:55] 10
[00:11:59] years he worked with Hakan
[00:12:02] Fidan. He was in MIT for 17 years, and his own
[00:12:05] personnel died in such a way. It was controversial even then,
[00:12:09] when he died, his family brought this issue
[00:12:13] to the agenda. From the day he died, it was a controversial
[00:12:16] issue, his death. We already know the situation after Ergenekon.
[00:12:19] Yes, but MIT at that time, the current Minister of Foreign Affairs,
[00:12:23] did not make a statement at that time. No
[00:12:26] information was given about this. In fact, after July 15, this did not come to the agenda,
[00:12:30] it was not brought to the agenda before the statute of limitations expired. After the conspiracy,
[00:12:33] yes, the Ergenekon issue became very controversial.
[00:12:37] It came to the agenda then, it didn't, it wasn't pursued, but now strangely,
[00:12:40] by mixing everything up, without fully understanding what is what,
[00:12:44] a mess is put forward, and we have to
[00:12:48] sift through it. It's not just the Kozinoğlu case,
[00:12:52] several cases are constantly brought to the agenda
[00:12:55] in a similar way, debated, and
[00:12:58] something is shaped around it. I think
[00:13:02] we will see this issue more clearly in a few months. That is,
[00:13:05] this is not a great thing, it's not
[00:13:09] a "clean hands" operation or an exoneration regarding what the judiciary
[00:13:12] experienced at that time, because those names
[00:13:15] were there, many stood out then, nothing is being done about that, not all
[00:13:19] of them are FETO, it's as if all the evils of that period
[00:13:23] will now be attributed to FETO, whose existence or non-existence is not debated,
[00:13:26] and a serious exoneration will take place from there,
[00:13:30] it seems to me. That's why the government
[00:13:33] at that time was the same government, that is, the currently ongoing
[00:13:36] government was also in power at that time. Some names were in office,
[00:13:40] at the head of institutions, the same names were there. In fact, there are ministers
[00:13:43] today who were in different institutions at that time,
[00:13:46] but instead of going into those matters, something else is being done. From
[00:13:49] that perspective, several different questions need to be asked. That is, not just
[00:13:53] how Kozinoğlu died,
[00:13:57] why he died, whether he was killed or not, but perhaps
[00:14:00] who initiated the case, yes, I mean, now
[00:14:04] why did it start, how is it being conducted, we need to increase the questions
[00:14:08] about this a bit, at least an account
[00:14:10] named Esmar, an account using this name,
[00:14:14] made it. For years, the family
[00:14:16] has presented much more serious allegations
[00:14:20] with documents, with their lawyers.
[00:14:23] It is very important for us
[00:14:38] to know, but I am worried
[00:14:42] that we will not understand, we will not learn. That is,
[00:14:45] we will be killed, or it will be transferred to some people. That is,
[00:14:48] they might have done it, or perhaps they did, but why
[00:14:52] it was protected until now and covered up.
[00:14:57] I think it will be covered up. That is, while they are showing us something,
[00:15:00] on the other hand, they are actually
[00:15:03] covering it up. Why did you fall into such
[00:15:07] a thing? I look at all the cases,
[00:15:10] the things that happened in Tunceli, the Uğur Mumcu case, etc., Gülüstan
[00:15:13] Doku, 6 waves of operations were carried out. On the one hand,
[00:15:17] they are giving up on what they can give up on, creating an image of clean hands,
[00:15:20] etc. We don't get much result there either. But it shows.
[00:15:23] The
[00:15:37] detentions are also made in relation to that.
[00:15:40] I think that the upcoming period
[00:15:44] will again be
[00:15:47] functional. That is, there is a search for an enemy, etc.,
[00:15:51] FETO, etc., will be a part of politics. I think
[00:15:54] it will be set up before us as a living entity in these cases.
[00:15:57] That is, it has a political goal. If it were otherwise,
[00:16:01] we would really be talking about something else today. I mean, this case is not just
[00:16:04] the Kozinoğlu matter. There, it was also done by
[00:16:07] a FETO member, and Samanyolu TV was also making similar
[00:16:10] series at that time. And we were following Samanyolu's
[00:16:14] Kurtlar Vadisi to see who would be targeted, what kind
[00:16:18] of thing it would be. Can you tell us a bit about it? Two days before the series, such
[00:16:21] a scene, a character named Kazım Kaşifoğlu
[00:16:24] is killed in prison. Two days later,
[00:16:27] Kaşif Kozinoğlu, a very similar figure.
[00:16:31] There was Yalçın Küçük in a series, there was a Yalçın Küçük figure, and
[00:16:35] there were situations where he was arrested.
[00:16:37] You would learn about it from the series, etc. There is the situation in Syria, for example.
[00:16:41] Yes, it's very clear that there was an intelligence connection, or
[00:16:45] if the Fethullah Gülen Community, FETO community, was so
[00:16:48] strong there at that time, it seems like the writers of the script
[00:16:51] had such an exchange of ideas, or a piece from the police.
[00:16:54] That is, even these names in the series, yes,
[00:16:58] when you list many events that happened in the series one after another,
[00:17:02] it fills a page, you can fill a page.
[00:17:05] The fact that it was shown, and then a sudden death
[00:17:09] actually occurred, the character Kazım Kaşifoğlu died
[00:17:12] in the series, so there was a very clear target, they were using similar
[00:17:15] names, there were detentions, arrests,
[00:17:18] operations, but of course, a death and such
[00:17:22] a murder case occurring and being
[00:17:25] filmed afterwards was
[00:17:28] very interesting. This issue was also debated
[00:17:32] at that time, but the story
[00:17:35] is that at that time, the current government didn't care much.
[00:17:38] It didn't allow this to be debated, on the contrary, there was something
[00:17:41] designed to cover this discussion,
[00:17:44] yes, to close this discussion. Come on, you were
[00:17:48] the prosecutor of the case, that's how Erdoğan expressed it, right?
[00:17:51] He says he was the prosecutor of the Ergenekon case,
[00:17:55] but July 15 happened. Why didn't you do these things
[00:17:58] after July 15, and why now? Now,
[00:18:01] I think 10 years after
[00:18:03] the coup attempt,
[00:18:06] these places need to be debated a bit, and we need to look at it from here,
[00:18:09] what is being tried to be done through the Ministry of Justice, we need to look at everything
[00:18:13] that happens in the judiciary a bit totally. It's as if there is a political
[00:18:17] thing, a framework
[00:18:20] has been drawn, İmamoğlu is also within this,
[00:18:24] these latest cases are also somewhat dragging us towards a total place. I have
[00:18:28] a feeling inside, or I interpret what I see that way. That's why I don't
[00:18:32] really see a "clean hands" operation or
[00:18:35] perpetrators from here. Yes, such
[00:18:39] files are specially selected. There are dozens of unsolved murders.
[00:18:43] Every Saturday,
[00:18:46] the mothers come out there. If we're going to look, those are also unsolved murders, let's look at those. But
[00:18:50] very specially selected,
[00:18:53] things that can also be PR are selected and directed somewhere. For example,
[00:18:57] the last journalist arrested is strange, but
[00:19:01] we had experienced this every time before, we are experiencing similar
[00:19:05] things again. That is, at the same time, an academician
[00:19:09] was being arrested and Veli Küçük was being arrested
[00:19:12] in the same case. We can see that we have experienced
[00:19:16] similarities in the past. Now, for example, I cannot understand some
[00:19:19] things. Really,
[00:19:23] I have a problem with establishing logical connections
[00:19:27] with what society is experiencing right now, it's clear, it's normal.
[00:19:31] I have a problem, a logical problem. For example, I think of myself
[00:19:34] as a normal citizen. But sometimes I think, I must
[00:19:37] not be normal. For example, what comes to my mind is the
[00:19:41] Ahbap case. Now what are they doing?
[00:19:45] They are questioning those who praised Haluk
[00:19:48] Levent, those who wrote praising words about him,
[00:19:52] they are taking them in, etc., etc. Now I say,
[00:19:55] my friend, did you question
[00:19:58] those who gave permission to Ahbap to collect money in 2017?
[00:20:02] Did you question those who were supposed to supervise
[00:20:05] Ahbap from 2017 until now?
[00:20:07] Now, if you had supervised Ahbap, if you had done
[00:20:11] your supervision duty properly and told the public that this man is a trickster,
[00:20:15] a swindler, and if you had cancelled his
[00:20:18] permission to collect money, then,
[00:20:22] then if there was someone praising him,
[00:20:25] you could blame him, or if you had noticed this before. Now what happened?
[00:20:28] You even had Emine Erdoğan give an award
[00:20:32] to Ahbap, Haluk Levent, the award given by the Ministry of Culture,
[00:20:36] Emine Erdoğan.
[00:20:40] It is actually Mrs. Emine Erdoğan who is put in a difficult situation there.
[00:20:44] Emine Erdoğan is put in a difficult situation. Now,
[00:20:46] you are not doing anything to those who gave permission and
[00:20:50] those who should have supervised. There is nothing in sight.
[00:20:53] You are questioning those who praised Ahbap
[00:20:56] after the earthquake, saying you did its PR. I turn
[00:21:00] back, you say
[00:21:02] in the Ekrem İmamoğlu IBB
[00:21:04] case,
[00:21:07] that there is 170 billion liras of corruption.
[00:21:10] You haven't been able to find a single kuruş
[00:21:13] of this money. A single kuruş. This is 170 billion, this
[00:21:17] money is not a small amount.
[00:21:20] "You dug up Ekrem İmamoğlu's father's house, here and there, you found potatoes
[00:21:24] and onions, you didn't find money, you found potatoes and onions.
[00:21:27] This time, you turn around and say,
[00:21:31] 'They smuggled this money abroad
[00:21:34] with Murat Gül İbrahimoğlu's private jet.'
[00:21:38] Okay, not just once,
[00:21:41] I'll continue, let's say they smuggled it
[00:21:45] 50 times. Okay,
[00:21:47] any citizen leaving the country will not be allowed
[00:21:57] to leave Turkey and will not be allowed
[00:21:59] to enter the country they go to.
[00:22:01] So if you took this money and went to England
[00:22:05] or Germany, they would say, 'What is this money?' and arrest you
[00:22:08] there. Now, when you say
[00:22:12] this argument, what will you say then? You have to
[00:22:15] have done something to the customs officers, civil
[00:22:18] aviation, and police at customs if you are saying this.
[00:22:22] It means that if the customs officers,
[00:22:25] the police, the customs officers, and
[00:22:28] civil aviation allowed Murat Gül
[00:22:31] İbrahimoğlu to put millions of dollars in his plane and smuggle it out of Turkey,
[00:22:35] then those people are guilty.
[00:22:38] Did you turn a blind eye, or did you conduct an operation, or did you contact
[00:22:41] the other country, or did the other country, that's the second leg.
[00:22:45] I'm asking about the first leg. Prosecutor, did you conduct
[00:22:48] an operation against the police at customs, customs officers, civil
[00:22:51] aviation, saying, 'How did you turn a blind eye
[00:22:55] to this man smuggling money?' No, there is nothing.
[00:22:58] But you come to me
[00:23:01] and tell the public that Muratgül İbrahimoğlu smuggled 400 million dollars.
[00:23:04] Someone named Abdülkadir Selvi also writes a column about this.
[00:23:08] I am surprised.
[00:23:12] I turn to society.
[00:23:15] Now in the Selahattin Günday, Kaşif Kozunoğlu
[00:23:18] case. Let Kaşif Kozunoğlu
[00:23:21] be investigated, he really needs to be questioned
[00:23:24] as you said. Well, those who have not investigated
[00:23:27] this for 15 years,
[00:23:29] those who have not asked
[00:23:31] this, whoever has not
[00:23:35] taken any action on this suspicion, let's say it happened,
[00:23:39] let's not say it happened. Let's say that until July 15,
[00:23:42] the FETO members you placed were still influential.
[00:23:46] Well, whoever didn't do this after July 15, all the
[00:23:50] public officials, all the blame is now put
[00:23:53] on Selahattin
[00:23:54] Günday.
[00:23:57] I can't understand, professor, my brain is not working. Was there an arrest?
[00:24:01] Yes, I think in those, was it a guard?
[00:24:04] One of them? Okay,
[00:24:07] there are things like that, but where are the institutions that should
[00:24:10] have really pursued this? Why didn't those institutions
[00:24:13] pursue it? Anyway, the screenwriter gave a statement,
[00:24:16] he was called to testify. Meanwhile, Bakırköy Chief Public Prosecutor's Office
[00:24:20] objected to the decision of non-prosecution given for FETO fugitives, former prosecutors
[00:24:23] Zekeriya Öz, Cihan Kansız, and Mehmet Yüzgeç, on the grounds that
[00:24:27] the statute of limitations had expired. Bakırköy Chief Public
[00:24:30] Prosecutor's Office is objecting, and the objection is being reviewed by the Istanbul Anatolian
[00:24:34] 26th High Criminal Court. The
[00:24:36] 11th High Criminal Court
[00:24:39] decided to send
[00:24:42] the file back, meaning the non-prosecution part
[00:24:46] is lifted. The non-prosecution
[00:24:49] decision is not entered into that process,
[00:24:52] so a statute of limitations will not be applied.
[00:24:55] The process continues, but they have been fugitives for how many years?
[00:24:59] These are the prosecutors who were once rolled out the red carpet.
[00:25:02] You cannot prevent this just with this decision.
[00:25:06] Sooner or later, a statute of limitations process is currently underway. Have they attached
[00:25:09] another file to it? You need to find something else.
[00:25:12] That is, this is a crime against the people, against humanity,
[00:25:16] there is no statute of limitations. You need to open another case
[00:25:20] of a different kind. Otherwise, sooner or later, legally, the concept of statute of limitations
[00:25:23] exists and is in effect. It's about how
[00:25:27] you see it and what kind of application you will make.
[00:25:31] Otherwise, Zekeriya Öz also has a case,
[00:25:34] and as long as he is not caught and no new file is opened,
[00:25:38] it will enter the statute of limitations after a certain stage.
[00:25:41] Uh-huh. By the way, you mentioned Gülüstan Doku, a new wave
[00:25:45] occurred in that investigation, the 6th wave
[00:25:48] operation. A simultaneous operation in 7 provinces targeting a suspect,
[00:25:52] but in this operation, there are also police officers who are currently on duty
[00:25:55] and who have served before. That is, among the names to be detained
[00:25:59] are police officers, retired ones, those who have served before,
[00:26:03] and those who are currently on duty. Now, while watching
[00:26:06] all these developments, Nagihan Alçı,
[00:26:10] the MHP leader, Chairman Devlet
[00:26:12] Bahçeli and Mr. Bahçeli conveyed the notes of his
[00:26:15] meeting. In that meeting,
[00:26:19] MHP leader Bahçeli stated that a
[00:26:22] house was built for Öcalan on Imralı Island, with a garden in front, offering humane
[00:26:26] living conditions and a comfortable place.
[00:26:30] He conveyed that the house
[00:26:33] could be lived in in a way that suits the normal flow of life, but
[00:26:37] Öcalan did not move into this house because
[00:26:40] he asked "why me?". Nagihan Alçı said he wants status.
[00:26:44] This issue of
[00:26:48] peace and the peace process was
[00:26:51] brought up by MHP leader Mr. Bahçeli, about giving a status to Öcalan
[00:26:54] and letting him lead this process with this status.
[00:26:57] In fact, it was brought up by MHP leader Mr. Bahçeli. In fact,
[00:27:01] again, a group
[00:27:10] made a statement and said that administrative buildings are being constructed there, and those buildings are meant,
[00:27:14] this is not the construction of a special house, a villa, a livable place,
[00:27:18] he said. However,
[00:27:21] of course, the discussion grew and grew,
[00:27:24] and this topic was at the center of the discussion this
[00:27:28] weekend. People, of course, made comparisons.
[00:27:31] This villa, new house, house with a garden
[00:27:35] became quite a hot topic. How did you view those discussions?
[00:27:38] In fact, the government
[00:27:41] is happy to carry out the process with Öcalan,
[00:27:44] only the public is not happy, and it is struggling to carry out
[00:27:48] both at the same time. That is, the people
[00:27:52] are not convinced about the relationship with Öcalan, but the government also knows
[00:27:55] that if we continue this relationship with Öcalan,
[00:27:59] we will solve the issue more easily, it is stated. The critical thing here, I think,
[00:28:02] is that the house. There are how many prisoners there? I think there are 4 or 5
[00:28:06] prisoners. It's a huge island. How many administrative buildings
[00:28:10] will you build, or what is the need for so many administrative buildings? Probably
[00:28:14] for Öcalan to receive guests and chat, because
[00:28:18] what is expected with this status is
[00:28:21] the opening of dialogue, the increase of visits,
[00:28:25] and the removal of obstacles
[00:28:27] in this regard. The upcoming process, if it does not get stuck,
[00:28:31] if there are no very interesting things in Syria, will go in this direction, meaning Öcalan
[00:28:34] will be given the de facto authority to manage the process,
[00:28:38] even if he is not officially given such a status.
[00:28:41] There are even talks like, a new party will be established in March,
[00:28:45] and this party will be a political party whose framework
[00:28:48] is outlined by Öcalan, or even
[00:28:52] who will be the managers. There are discussions that it will be a political party.
[00:28:55] Why is there a need for such a party? Because a party that will
[00:28:59] carry out the new process. So, DEM,
[00:29:15] will continue as Turkey's party or the peace process's party.
[00:29:19] Öcalan's minutes, what
[00:29:22] he wrote on February 28, 2025,
[00:29:25] etc., are somewhat close to the framework
[00:29:28] that Bahçeli and Erdoğan drew on the Middle East equation.
[00:29:32] As "that idea gets closer, they
[00:29:34] want to carry out this issue with Öcalan.
[00:29:38] But, of course, if such a dialogue is to take place, Öcalan also needs
[00:29:41] to be a little comfortable, meaning his
[00:29:44] conditions need to improve. This house issue is also a bit like that, but he hasn't moved in. He wants status,
[00:29:47] sir. This is what
[00:29:51] we talked about after the last minutes.
[00:29:54] In the law, the things that will be corrected under certain headings
[00:29:58] are, for Öcalan, especially the issue of
[00:30:01] harmony, the issue of persuasion." To give Öcalan a role,
[00:30:04] there will be such a status. I don't know if it will be written in
[00:30:08] the book or on paper, or if it will become a law,
[00:30:12] but I think this status will be given de facto, because
[00:30:15] otherwise it will be difficult to carry out the process with Öcalan.
[00:30:19] That is, people will come and go, talk,
[00:30:23] create an agenda, set the agenda,
[00:30:26] persuade society. If you don't want to do this with Demirtaş or
[00:30:30] with such figures, then it's difficult.
[00:30:34] çünkü bu fikrin bir şekilde ikna edilmesi gerekiyor yani Kürt
[00:30:38] seçim terörsüz Türkiye sürecinde bu normal de insanlar tabii
[00:30:42] yani terör bitsin silahlar
[00:30:45] sussun barış olsun diyenler e burada
[00:30:49] biraz böyle bir ama bu bu kadar
[00:30:51] da küçük e tırnak içinde küçük sorunları yaşamak
[00:30:55] zorundasınız evet hiçbir şey vermeden de eee her
[00:30:59] şeyi almak çok zor ayrıca eee sonuç. şunu da
[00:31:02] görmek lazım burada kar zarar hesabı yapıyor Erdoğan
[00:31:05] e rejim eee şöyle bir
[00:31:09] şey sonucuna ulaşıyor bakın bir buçuk 2 yıldır 1
[00:31:12] Ekim'den bu yana değil mi 2 yıl oldu 1 ekimden bu yana
[00:31:16] Kürt siyaseti muhalefetten uzaklaştı, daha ortada,
[00:31:19] hatta zaman zaman iktidarla daha yakın ilişkiler eee kuran bir noktaya
[00:31:23] geldi. Ortadoğu'da geliştikçe bu daha
[00:31:26] tahkim ediliyor eee önümüzdeki seçimde
[00:31:29] eee kaba haliyle belki de bağımsız hani muhalefet cephesinde
[00:31:33] olmayan eee bağımsız bir Kürt siyaseti göreceğiz, oradan
[00:31:37] mümkün olduğu kadar seçmeni koparabilirse kar
[00:31:40] olarak gözüküyor. Aynı şeyi CHP içinde %4'lük beşlik
[00:31:44] bir kesimi. "orada muhalefetten koparabilirse da kar
[00:31:48] olarak gözüküyor, zaten Erdoğan şöyle düşünüyor, benim cebimde
[00:31:51] %40 var, onun üzerine ne koyarsam seçilme şansım
[00:31:55] kadar artar diye bunun hesapları yapılıyor, yani tüm bu sürece
[00:31:59] aslında eee iktidarın bir kez daha Erdoğan'la ya
[00:32:02] eee Erdoğan Bahçeli ikilisinde kalması
[00:32:05] için yapılıyor, öyle de bir zemin yani onun için de bir ev
[00:32:08] yapılması ve biraz tartışılması çok
[00:32:11] sorun değil ya da bu sorunu azından göğüsleyecek eee bir'.
[00:32:27] hatta sizin dediğiniz o parti terörsüz Türkiye sürecinde yeni bir parti kurulma
[00:32:30] eee yani sürecine ya da böyle
[00:32:33] iddialara, böyle haberlere, böyle beklentilere
[00:32:37] de uygun bir isim bu, uyarı süreci ve siyasallaşma
[00:32:40] koordinatörlüğülan
[00:32:43] sanırım demokratik toplum ve cumhuriyet. partiye cumhuriyet hareketi diye bir şey
[00:32:47] söylüyor eee tutanaklarda azından böyle ifade etti yeni
[00:32:50] partinin eee adını eee biraz da bu
[00:32:54] yeni cumhuriyet eee kurulacak bu cumhuriyetin ana
[00:32:57] omurgalarından biri ana kolonlarından biri biz olacağız diye ifade etmişti
[00:33:01] yine tutanaklarda okuduğumuz kadarıyla işte en az
[00:33:04] Bahçeli'nin MHP'si kadar biz de ana kolan olacağız diye ifade
[00:33:07] etmişti ve bunlar konuşulduğu bir masada eee
[00:33:11] evin biraz konforlu olmasında yani onu
[00:33:14] eee halletmeleri gerekiyor ya da halledecek oradaki
[00:33:17] hikaye bence statü ve hani ev işin biraz
[00:33:21] magazin kısmı belki oradaki şey esas
[00:33:24] eee Öcalan ne kadar devreye girecek ne kadar
[00:33:28] etkili olacak ve bunun sonucunda nasıl bir milli güvenlik
[00:33:31] kurulu bu silahların bırakıldığını ve tamamen lav
[00:33:34] edildiğini örgütün onaylayacak mı? evet çünkü çerçeve yasanın
[00:33:38] uygulanması onaydan sonra olacak orada
[00:33:41] itiraz var sanırım bugün eee yeni yaşam.
[00:33:45] da yani Kürt siyasetine yakın basın organların da özellikle
[00:33:47] eee silahların bırakılması ve MGK
[00:33:51] bütün yetkinin Erdoğan etrafında yani Milli Güvenlik
[00:33:55] Kurulu deniyor ama sonuçta Erdoğan imzası oraya doğru
[00:33:59] sıkışmasına da bir itiraz var ilerlemiyor diye bu tür şeyleri
[00:34:02] yaşayacağız eee ama ben nihayetinde seçime kadar
[00:34:05] eee ilişkinin devam edeceğini düşünüyorum yani bir
[00:34:09] eee 28 ilk çözüm sürecindeki gibi masayı
[00:34:12] Dolmabahçede olduğu gibi masayı dağıtma. değil tam
[00:34:16] tersi ilişkinin devam ettiği, yeni anayasanın tartışıldığı yeni
[00:34:19] bir eee dönemin eee başladı ve
[00:34:22] devam edeceğini düşünüyorum yani o ilişki kopmaz ama Denparti de
[00:34:26] söylüyor ya yani Barış böyle tek bir eee koldan
[00:34:29] gelmiyor, bir yandan bu yargılamaları görüyorsunuz,
[00:34:32] kararları görüyorsunuz, tutuklamaları görüyorsunuz, işte bir
[00:34:36] yandan eee insanların yaşadığı sıkıntıları görüyorsunuz, bir
[00:34:39] yandan da bu haberler geldiği zaman hani Barış böyle
[00:34:43] mi sorusu sormakta da.
[00:34:45] olmazlar tabii yani demokrasisiz bir barış
[00:34:49] yani tabii e Kürt sorunu çözülmüş mü olur
[00:34:52] bilmiyorum PKK sorunu da çözülmüş olabilir evet ikna
[00:34:55] etmez özellikle büyük kentlerde yaşayan Kürtlerle Türklerin
[00:34:59] ya da diğer kimlikleri de eee çok rahatsız eder
[00:35:03] yani şimdi sonuçta ben bir
[00:35:05] Karadenizli bir vatandaş olarak Üsküdar seçmeliyim orada bir
[00:35:09] sürü kürt de var seçmen ben de Üsküdar seçmeniyim
[00:35:13] orada yaşananları gördükte. "yani onlar da rahatsız, ben de rahatsızım,
[00:35:17] bunu eee bu kadar gözümüze soka soka bu
[00:35:21] kadar haksızlığı üzgünler yani herkes üzgün, büyük
[00:35:25] bir adaletsizlik var ve bunun yapılabilir
[00:35:27] olması, bir de hangi görüşte olursanız olun, birlikte
[00:35:31] iyi yaşayan bir semt orası, eski bir semt, bunun bu
[00:35:34] biçimiyle yapılabilir olması büyük endişe verici
[00:35:37] bir şey, yani bu kadar rahat ve ondan sonra da bunun gösterilerin
[00:35:41] yapılması Türkiye demokrasinin gittiği yeri gösterir." demokratik bir barış çok
[00:35:55] zor hocam burada iki temel
[00:35:58] olgu var bir tanesi şu 2023 seçimine
[00:36:02] giderken iktidarın vatandaşa
[00:36:05] söylediği bunu bizatihi dedim ya ben çok
[00:36:09] derin yaşadım iktidara yakın arkadaşlarla
[00:36:12] tamamen ayrıldım beni terörist ilan.
[00:36:32] hepsi CHP, HDP, PKK. Formül buydu. Masanın
[00:36:36] altındaki 7. Evet, 7. üye. Şimdi
[00:36:39] bizi PKK'lı ilan eden iktidar,
[00:36:43] yakınları. Bugün topluma bir
[00:36:46] özür ve yüzleşme borçlu.
[00:36:49] Niye? Muhalefet gelirse Öcalan'la
[00:36:52] görüşecek ki muhalefet o dönemde şu argümanı
[00:36:55] savunuyordu. Biz.
[00:36:59] teröristlerle değil, biz siyasal
[00:37:02] muhatapla, siyasetle bu işi çözeceğiz, yani Öcalan'la
[00:37:06] değil, tabiri caizse Selahattin Demirtaş veya HDP
[00:37:10] ile bu işi çözeceğiz diyordu muhalefet, iktidar da ne
[00:37:14] diyordu? Siz teröristi serbest bırakacaksınız, Öcalan'ı,
[00:37:18] ona ev vereceksiniz, şunu yapacaksınız, bunu yapacaksınız.
[00:37:21] Şimdi vatandaş Türk halkı neyle oy verdi,
[00:37:25] iktidara bu argümanları. da düşünerek oy
[00:37:28] verdi, yani iktidar ne diyorsa
[00:37:32] o zaman muhalefeti neyle suçluyor, suçladıysa şu
[00:37:35] anda daha fazlasını, yani Öcalan'a villa verecek
[00:37:38] kadar, iyi de bunu sembolize ediyorum
[00:37:42] biraz, niye sembolize ediyorum, terörsüz
[00:37:46] Türkiye'nin sürmesi için cümle arasında geçti, Yaşar
[00:37:49] Aydın çok önemli şeyler söyledi, yani demokrasiyi
[00:37:52] yaymadan çözemezsin terörsüz Türkiye'yi,
[00:37:55] çözemezsin, bunu bilmesi.
[00:37:57] lazım onun için ben bu şu anda yaptıklarını Kürtlerin oylarını
[00:38:01] alalım, muhalefetten iktidara alalım, olay bitsin, ben böyle
[00:38:04] görüyorum. Ne, birincisi özür dilemesi,
[00:38:08] yüzleşmesi lazım, muhalefeti suçladı,
[00:38:10] iki Üsküdar'da yaşananlar dahil, ya
[00:38:14] siz Öcalan'a villa
[00:38:16] verirken
[00:38:19] Ekrem imamoğlu, bırak onu, bırakın
[00:38:21] onu, ya Sinem Dedetaş üzerinden
[00:38:25] söylüyorum, bağışlasınlar. beni siz
[00:38:28] muhaliflerin kadın olmasına bile bakmıyorsunuz, içeri
[00:38:31] atıyorsunuz, artı içeriye atılan
[00:38:34] muhalifler birçoğu
[00:38:36] katillerin, bilmem nelerin, adi suçların koğuşuna
[00:38:40] atılıyor, yani süper lig maçlarını bile izleyemiyor, iki tür
[00:38:43] cezalandırma var, bir ya 12
[00:38:46] Eylül'ü hatırlayın, darbe döneminde liderler ne yap,
[00:38:50] tavlo oynuyordu değil mi? evet, şimdi
[00:38:53] muhalifler kuyu tipine atılıyor, bak
[00:38:57] kuyu... tipi cezaevine atılıyor, katillerin yanına
[00:39:00] atılıyor, yani siyasi tutuklu diye siyasi
[00:39:03] bir şeye atılmıyorlar, adi suçlularla
[00:39:07] Because this idea needs to be somehow convinced. So in the process of a Turkey without terror for Kurdish
[00:39:10] elections, this is normal, and people of course,
[00:39:14] those who say let the terror end,
[00:39:17] let the weapons fall silent, let there be peace, here
[00:39:21] it's a bit like this, but you
[00:39:24] have to experience such "small" problems,
[00:39:28] yes, without giving anything, it's very difficult to
[00:39:31] get everything. Also, we need
[00:39:34] to see that Erdoğan is making a cost-benefit analysis here.
[00:39:38] The regime
[00:39:41] comes to this conclusion: Look, for a year and a half, two years,
[00:39:44] since October 1st, right? It's been two years since October 1st.
[00:39:47] Kurdish politics moved away from the opposition, it became more neutral,
[00:39:50] and even at times, it came to a point where it established closer
[00:39:54] relations with the government. As this develops
[00:39:58] in the Middle East, it is further strengthened.
[00:40:01] In the upcoming election, roughly speaking, we might even
[00:40:04] see an independent Kurdish politics that is not on the opposition front.
[00:40:08] If they can detach as many voters as possible from there,
[00:40:11] it looks like a gain. The same thing applies to the 4-5% segment within the CHP.
[00:40:15] "If he can separate them from the opposition,
[00:40:18] it also looks like a gain. Erdoğan already thinks, I have 40%
[00:40:21] in my pocket,
[00:40:23] how much more I add to it
[00:40:25] increases my chances of being elected.
[00:40:28] These calculations are being made. So, this whole process is actually
[00:40:31] being done for the government to remain in the Erdoğan-Bahçeli
[00:40:34] duo once again. And such a groundwork,
[00:40:38] building a house for him and discussing it a bit
[00:40:41] is not a big problem, or at least
[00:40:45] there is a new party in the process of a terror-free Turkey, which you mentioned,
[00:40:48] the establishment of a new party.
[00:40:51] This name is also suitable for the process
[00:40:55] or such claims, such news, such expectations.
[00:41:14] The warning process and the coordinator of politicization, Öcalan
[00:41:17] probably says "democratic society and republic". The party is called "republic movement,"
[00:41:21] he says in the minutes, at least he stated it that way.
[00:41:25] He also mentioned the name of the new party
[00:41:29] and said that this new republic will be established,
[00:41:32] and we will be one of its main pillars, one of its main columns, as much as
[00:41:35] we read in the minutes. He had said that we will be a main
[00:41:39] column as much as Bahçeli's MHP, and these were discussed
[00:41:42] at a table. So, the house being a bit comfortable,
[00:41:46] they need to sort that out
[00:41:50] or they will sort it out. The story
[00:41:52] there, I think, is about status, and the house is perhaps
[00:41:56] the sensational part. The main thing
[00:41:59] is how much Öcalan will get involved,
[00:42:02] how effective he will be, and as a result, will
[00:42:05] a National Security Council approve that the weapons are laid down
[00:42:08] and the organization is completely disbanded?
[00:42:19] Yes, because the implementation of the framework law will
[00:42:23] be after approval. There is an objection there, I think,
[00:42:26] today. Even in "Yeni Yaşam" (New Life),
[00:42:30] which is a media organ close to Kurdish politics, there is an objection
[00:42:33] to the weapons being laid down and the NSC giving all authority around Erdoğan,
[00:42:37] meaning the National Security Council, but in the end, Erdoğan's
[00:42:40] signature, this kind of narrowing is also objected to.
[00:42:43] These things are not progressing, but I think
[00:42:47] the relationship will continue until the election.
[00:42:50] So, it will not be like in the first peace
[00:42:53] process of 28, breaking up the table like in Dolmabahçe.
[00:42:57] On the contrary, I think the relationship will continue,
[00:43:00] a new era
[00:43:03] has begun where the new constitution is being discussed, and it will continue. That relationship
[00:43:07] will not be broken, but the DEM Party also
[00:43:10] says that peace does not come from just one
[00:43:13] direction. On the one hand, you see these trials,
[00:43:16] you see the decisions, you see the arrests. On the other hand,
[00:43:19] you see the difficulties people face, and on the other hand, when this news
[00:43:22] comes, people ask if this is peace.
[00:43:25] It wouldn't be right, of course. Peace without democracy,
[00:43:28] that is, I don't know if the Kurdish issue would be resolved. The PKK issue
[00:43:32] might also be resolved. Yes, it doesn't convince, especially the Kurds living in big cities
[00:43:36] and Turks or other identities.
[00:43:48] It would disturb There is such an image.
[00:43:52] Özgür Özel also said, "if it were us, we would congratulate him in Rize,
[00:43:56] wish him success." So, anyway,
[00:44:00] he and his parents, his parents also wore
[00:44:03] new party badges. The transition took place as of yesterday.
[00:44:07] Generally, since we don't often see different transitions,
[00:44:10] it was noteworthy. Of course, everyone first thought
[00:44:14] he would join the AK Party, and no one was surprised. Then he said, "I'm starting a new path,
[00:44:18] I'm joining a new party," and may nothing happen to him.
[00:44:21] He made a statement. Hopefully, also, the incident
[00:44:25] in Burdur is very interesting, isn't it? Very interesting.
[00:44:28] Professor Adem Korkmaz said, "I have been under pressure and anxiety
[00:44:31] for a year, I want close protection." He says,
[00:44:35] "the situation is very serious." He says he is being threatened.
[00:44:38] Who is threatening
[00:44:40] him? Burdur Governor Tülay Baydar Bilgihan.
[00:44:44] What's the issue? Digital water meters.
[00:44:46] Yes. The issue is whether we should
[00:44:50] switch or not. Professor Adem Korkmaz went to Ankara.
[00:44:53] The governor prevented the switch and said, "I'll take you." "Did you say that?"
[00:44:57] "Did you say that to the governor?" He says he didn't deny it.
[00:45:01] He says, "I am being threatened." A governor-MP dispute,
[00:45:04] so aren't water meters
[00:45:08] installed through the municipality? Why is the governor
[00:45:11] taking this issue so seriously? As a civil administrator,
[00:45:15] probably yes, but this really shows that elected officials
[00:45:19] no longer have any value, both in the judiciary
[00:45:22] and at the palace. They have no value.
[00:45:26] It's about being close to the palace or ministers. Today,
[00:45:30] I read a few days ago, one of the biggest complaints
[00:45:34] of AK Party deputies is not being able to reach ministers,
[00:45:37] meaning not being able to see ministers in parliament and express their problems.
[00:45:41] This is not a complaint from an opposition party. But there is an instruction from the President
[00:45:45] to go door-to-door. MPs will go door-to-door, not ministers.
[00:45:48] I think MPs cannot go door-to-door either.
[00:45:51] So, in Turkey today, it is not that easy
[00:45:54] to go door-to-door as an AK Party member. It's really not
[00:45:58] easy. I would
[00:46:01] recommend a few doors to Erdoğan, because there are so many problems.
[00:46:05] Every time you open a door, you have to face that
[00:46:08] problem. I haven't seen any AK Party members
[00:46:11] going door-to-door, even in places where they are strongest. So, it seems that even
[00:46:15] digital water meters are a problem. Do you pay money for digital water meters,
[00:46:18] or during the change, I guess a certain amount of
[00:46:22] money comes out of the citizen's pocket, and as an MP, the citizen
[00:46:26] applies to the MP, probably to solve this,
[00:46:29] and the MP ends up having a fight with the governor.
[00:46:33] Yes. In fact, the threats and tension are going so far as to include
[00:46:37] a request for close protection. This kind of incident happened,
[00:46:41] and we witnessed it. Of course, there is one more
[00:46:44] topic, we don't have much time left, but I'd like to ask. We have
[00:46:48] two minutes, anyway, let's start, then we'll continue in
[00:46:51] this time slot. This participation house,
[00:46:54] Pusula Finance Holding, we will also discuss other economic topics,
[00:46:58] we will discuss fund matters. A statement
[00:47:00] came from Mansur Yavaş: "There is torment in separation,
[00:47:04] and mercy in unity. What happens at the top
[00:47:07] does not concern us much. We are happy to make our decisions unanimously,"
[00:47:11] he said. I don't know
[00:47:13] how you reacted. Here, too, people are divided
[00:47:17] into two, so to speak. One part says that Mansur Yavaş
[00:47:20] will no longer be a presidential candidate.
[00:47:23] They express the opinion that he will not be.
[00:47:27] One side says he became a stronger presidential candidate.
[00:47:31] He took a photo side by side with Erdoğan. Another part says
[00:47:34] "I will join the AK Party." Mr. Yavaş cannot end that discussion. Therefore,
[00:47:37] with such a chain
[00:47:41] situation, "what happens at the top doesn't concern us, we are doing our job,
[00:47:44] we are working for Ankara," he says. Can you give a headline? If you were to, what would you give
[00:47:48] for this topic? Mansur Yavaş
[00:47:53] winked at a common candidacy.
[00:47:56] So, he's everyone's candidate in the opposition, that's how it seems
[00:47:59] to me. Let's open the wedding here.
[00:48:02] At the wedding, Mr. Kılıçdaroğlu was at one end,
[00:48:06] Mr. Özel at the other, they didn't shake
[00:48:10] hands. So, will
[00:48:12] a common candidate emerge from this, other than the CHP?
[00:48:16] I don't think Mansur Yavaş will be a common candidate of the CHP,
[00:48:19] or a common candidate that the CHP is involved in. The CHP
[00:48:23] can only support him. So, until the election, I think we will see
[00:48:26] the CHP in a somewhat different way. As the election
[00:48:29] approaches, if Kemal Bey's style
[00:48:32] will be effective, we won't be able
[00:48:36] to achieve much partnership there. We won't be able to achieve partnership.
[00:48:39] Yes, but this doesn't mean that Mansur Yavaş won't
[00:48:42] cooperate with the CHP base. Mansur Yavaş is employing a tactic: without fighting
[00:48:46] with them, but by declaring his own position. It's not
[00:48:49] just CHP, Good Party, New Party. The People's
[00:48:52] Party, Good Party, etc., he's after a broader opposition,
[00:48:56] even perhaps, it can be talked about, even up to the New Welfare and Felicity Parties,
[00:49:00] if they won't put forward a candidate, or to get their support in the second round,
[00:49:04] he's after a broader consensus. He's trying to get his strength from
[00:49:07] there. But he also sees
[00:49:11] that aspiring to power today means Silivri, or for Ankara,
[00:49:14] Sincan. That's why he's not in too much of a hurry.
[00:49:17] He's going a bit more cautiously. But isn't it very interesting, sir?
[00:49:21] "Until yesterday, until the other day,
[00:49:24] the government, those who spoke,
[00:49:26] let me say those who spoke, on screens were talking about
[00:49:30] Mansur Yavaş with corruption claims like this and that.
[00:49:34] All of it stopped when Mansur Yavaş spoke with the President.
[00:49:38] Oh, Mansur Yavaş, my brother,
[00:49:41] come to us, come to us! I love
[00:49:45] this government's transformative
[00:49:48] power so much. The government's
[00:49:52] 360-degree, 180-degree, 90-degree, whatever,
[00:49:56] all kinds of transformation ability, capability
[00:50:00] and exercises are amazing.
[00:50:03] I mean, yesterday, the person they demonized the most,
[00:50:07] the next day they can embrace as the most respectable. Or yesterday,
[00:50:11] the person they embraced as the most respectable, the next day
[00:50:15] they can declare as the most traitorous, the worst. Their primitive
[00:50:18] stances, characteristic stances.
[00:50:21] I just love it. Is it primitive or characteristic?
[00:50:25] I want our viewers to understand,
[00:50:28] I mean,
[00:50:29] I just
[00:50:33] love it. Okay, a short break, then we will continue.
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[01:00:21] We continue, we have entered the last
[01:00:24] hour, we talked about politics, I'm looking
[01:00:27] at what's missing, well,
[01:00:30] the opening of Kaşif Kozinoğlu's grave, the screenwriters
[01:00:34] of Kurtlar Vadisi being called in for testimony, the governor
[01:00:38] and the deputy clashing in Burdur, the issue
[01:00:41] being the digital water meter
[01:00:43] and the deputy's statements of "I am being threatened.
[01:00:47] I couldn't find peace and quiet. I request close protection" which he made
[01:00:51] in the digital environment. These statements were made while answering questions.
[01:00:55] There was a wedding,
[01:00:58] and politics was discussed from beginning to end at the wedding.
[01:01:01] Now, there were statements
[01:01:04] by Bülent Arınç. This was the wedding of Ahmet Davutoğlu's son. Would
[01:01:08] you like to say something about it? For example, who couldn't attend,
[01:01:12] who didn't attend, excuse me,
[01:01:14] who couldn't shake hands? Bülent's comments about
[01:01:18] applauding and chewing gum really made an impact. Generally,
[01:01:22] if you headline that too, what would you say? Saral probably
[01:01:25] responded to Bülent Arınç's
[01:01:29] words. Saral was disturbed, Oktay Saral, yes,
[01:01:32] the President's advisor, his advisor, asking "Why are you
[01:01:36] doing politics at a wedding?" So,
[01:01:39] at the mosque, Chairman Ergun was in a really tough spot.
[01:01:42] Ergun Turan was also at the wedding. Politics was discussed on the happy
[01:01:46] day of the children. But I want to say that I don't agree
[01:01:50] with most of what was said. Being the child of a politician
[01:01:53] has this kind of bias too, he said.
[01:01:55] Yes, it's very normal for those things to be discussed there, but
[01:01:59] the government side didn't show
[01:02:01] much interest despite a long relationship, because after
[01:02:05] those statements
[01:02:08] it probably became a problem to be in the same category as Davutoğlu.
[01:02:11] Especially his words that led to an investigation,
[01:02:14] caused serious trouble within the AKP, that's clear.
[01:02:18] So they didn't enter that category
[01:02:22] despite being so close.
[01:02:25] But it's very normal for those things to be discussed. In Turkey,
[01:02:29] there's almost no conversation, no gathering
[01:02:32] that politics isn't involved in. When two people
[01:02:36] are together, they inevitably talk about either the country's
[01:02:38] problems or their own problems. And a wedding
[01:02:41] or a marriage ceremony
[01:02:44] becomes a stage for that, it's a part of it, and there are many
[01:02:48] politicians there. Ali Babacan, the leader of the DEVA Party, was there.
[01:02:51] Mahmut Arıkan, the leader of the Felicity Party, the new party
[01:02:54] leader Özgür Özel, the CHP leader
[01:02:58] Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, former politicians,
[01:03:01] Parliament Speaker Bülent Arınç, etc. Melih Gökçek's matter
[01:03:05] became quite a topic and subject of criticism. Let me
[01:03:08] say something. This structure is like a globe, professor.
[01:03:11] eee
[01:03:14] When you enter the globe,
[01:03:17] you instantly become
[01:03:20] completely clean, instantly
[01:03:24] shiny, like a bright detergent that makes you sparkling
[01:03:27] clean and shines you. The moment you step
[01:03:31] outside that globe, no matter what your shape, form, or thought
[01:03:35] is, you instantly become a traitor,
[01:03:38] an enemy, someone else. This is also
[01:03:41] reflected in the general perspective. I always give the example
[01:03:45] of the Üsküdar Municipality operation. Amine Cansu Çelik was previously
[01:03:48] in the AK Party municipal council, she was in the AK Party. Then
[01:03:52] in 2022, she resigns, turns around,
[01:03:56] and joins the CHP. An opposition
[01:04:00] "lady with a headscarf,
[01:04:02] a mother, no,
[01:04:06] that is, the sensitivity of the government towards headscarves,
[01:04:09] towards dress code, etc. exists, right? The moment
[01:04:13] you step outside that bubble,
[01:04:15] all of those sensitivities disappear.
[01:04:19] You are no longer a, how
[01:04:22] should I say, that world, including
[01:04:25] the world of belief, you are outside all of them.
[01:04:28] olursunuz eee. eee
[01:04:30] You begin to be seen not as a person to struggle
[01:04:34] with, but as an enemy
[01:04:37] to struggle against. You no longer appear
[01:04:41] as a normal person, you appear as something else,
[01:04:45] they see something else, believe me.
[01:04:47] Our view of the opposition is always like this.
[01:04:50] The arrests, for example,
[01:04:54] whether it's Sinem Dedeştaş or Fatma Kaplan Hürriyet,
[01:04:57] or Amine, in those arrests,
[01:05:01] they don't look at them as a mother or anything like that.
[01:05:05] It doesn't happen that way. When you step outside the bubble,
[01:05:09] you transform into another entity that needs
[01:05:12] to be fought. And that struggle is not
[01:05:16] a democratic competition. This is
[01:05:19] a different field of struggle. That's why when there's a cause
[01:05:23] within a cause, if you've fought within the struggle
[01:05:27] of that cause, many things that are forbidden
[01:05:30] become permissible.
[01:05:34] Even many forbidden things can become lawful.
[01:05:37] The thing changes, the atmosphere changes.
[01:05:40] That's why you Davutoğlu's son's wedding,
[01:05:44] not Davutoğlu's wedding, but his son's wedding. Going to his son's wedding,
[01:05:48] and saying, "Oh, this was
[01:05:51] our former Prime Minister, who got 49.5% of the votes,"
[01:05:54] all of these are stories. He has stepped
[01:05:58] outside the bubble now. He has become something else,
[01:06:02] he has transformed into a different person,
[01:06:05] he has become something that needs to be fought for the cause.
[01:06:08] That's why they called Davutoğlu in for testimony. I mean,
[01:06:12] why did the prosecutor call him in for testimony
[01:06:15] after 5 years? Imagine a speech, and you are called in
[01:06:18] for testimony 5 years later.
[01:06:21] Meanwhile, President Erdoğan
[01:06:24] also received an invitation, but the invitation was delivered
[01:06:28] before this testimony. Therefore, such an invitation
[01:06:31] to the wedding was also extended to the President.
[01:06:35] Let's also mention that, but there weren't many AK Party members
[01:06:38] there from the past, I mean, those currently continuing the process.
[01:06:42] By the way, there was a dance event
[01:06:45] with the Vanlı Kara Haydar, and he said
[01:06:48] he rented the gold from the jeweler.
[01:06:51] The gold was found in a suitcase
[01:06:55] in a woodshed in a house.
[01:06:57] Çağla Öz, that is, his job, was also
[01:07:01] taken into custody. So there was gold, belts, chains,
[01:07:04] bracelets, etc., put into a suitcase
[01:07:07] and transferred
[01:07:09] there. Now, Kerim Rota is with us, a financial
[01:07:13] expert. Welcome to our broadcast.
[01:07:16] Thank you, Ebru Hanım, İbrahim hocam, hello
[01:07:19] everyone. Hello. Now, I have three guests.
[01:07:22] Financial expert Kerim Rota, İbrahim Kahveci, and
[01:07:26] Birgün Newspaper Editor-in-Chief Yaşar Aydın. Now,
[01:07:28] who can explain
[01:07:32] this fund issue to us? We said Kerim Rota, as a financial
[01:07:35] expert, would explain it. I'll get to that, but
[01:07:39] before I get to the topic, let me open up the markets
[01:07:42] and at least tell us something about that, because oil prices approached
[01:07:46] $108. There's an expectation of an interest
[01:07:49] rate hike from the US Central Bank Fed on September 16th, but
[01:07:53] Trump absolutely doesn't want it. However, US Treasury bonds reached 5%.
[01:07:57] The Houthis seized Babülmend. The East-West line was closed
[01:08:00] by Saudi Arabia. There's already a crisis in Hormuz.
[01:08:03] Trump says, "Maybe we'll end the war until the midterms, but
[01:08:07] then the war will end." Arguments about whether Trump is making fun
[01:08:11] of us are being made. Amid this, oil prices are $108.
[01:08:15] There's an expectation of an interest rate hike from the Fed. US
[01:08:18] Treasury bonds are rising, and our deposit rate is falling.
[01:08:22] Let's note that too. I'll have a question about that. And the stock market
[01:08:26] started with a 1.5% drop. Katılım Ev
[01:08:29] shares were already at their floor. They hit
[01:08:32] their floor at 33 liras. At 14,236 points,
[01:08:36] we're talking about a 1.6% drop, around a 1.5%
[01:08:40] drop on average so far. Gold
[01:08:43] is holding just above $4300. When
[01:08:47] oil prices rise, we expect new hikes for diesel.
[01:08:50] Will that hike be 6.62,
[01:08:53] 7.60, 7.20, 5, or 6 liras?
[01:08:56] It will be announced around 4 PM today.
[01:09:00] This hike is expected to be valid from Tuesday,
[01:09:03] and it will bring the price of diesel close to
[01:09:06] 100 liras. Now, in such an environment, there are no very
[01:09:10] bright scenarios for pensions and minimum wage for January.
[01:09:14] Whatever the inflation difference is, that's it. The minimum
[01:09:17] wage will get a maximum increase of 25%, slightly exceeding
[01:09:21] 35,000 liras. But life isn't like that. So, the markets are like this.
[01:09:25] My first question about deposit rates is, what do
[01:09:29] people do
[01:09:32] when deposit rates fall? Kerim Bey, yes,
[01:09:36] Ebru Hanım, all these external factors you mentioned will lead
[01:09:39] to higher inflation and a widening
[01:09:42] current account deficit, and
[01:09:46] further suppression of our growth. And regarding growth,
[01:09:49] we already had a growth trajectory that had come
[01:09:53] down to 3% with the latest data.
[01:09:57] Looking at it this way,
[01:09:59] on the deposit side, with the Central Bank
[01:10:03] bringing the effective interest rate to 37,
[01:10:06] we've seen downward movements.
[01:10:09] This of course indicates a period where real interest
[01:10:13] rates are falling but risks are increasing.
[01:10:16] In such situations, there's generally demand
[01:10:20] for commodities like gold, even if it's short-term. And stocks with high
[01:10:23] potential are chosen. But our stock market,
[01:10:27] as we'll discuss in a moment, has reached a point where
[01:10:29] I can't really say there are many alternatives for savers.
[01:10:33] And again, deposit rates
[01:10:37] that are 5-6 points above the current inflation rate
[01:10:40] seem to be
[01:10:43] the only option left.
[01:10:47] Now, how is this felt in daily life? Let me
[01:10:50] ask you that. Schools opened today.
[01:10:53] I would be very happy if you also participated.
[01:10:56] Before we get to the funds,
[01:11:00] I have a list. It's a school lunch
[01:11:03] menu in a public school. So,
[01:11:06] food is provided in public schools, but
[01:11:09] it's paid. For only 13 days
[01:11:13] in September, 3770 liras were paid. In October,
[01:11:16] 6090 liras will be paid. In November,
[01:11:19] it rises to 4640 liras. In December, it rises to 6670 liras.
[01:11:23] The average of this
[01:11:25] comes to around 5800 liras, and for 179
[01:11:29] days, a family will pay a total of 51,910 liras for
[01:11:33] a child attending elementary school in a public school.
[01:11:36] If the school is far away, there's a shuttle service.
[01:11:39] If they want to get a toast, they'll put at least another 3000 liras
[01:11:43] in their pocket per month. There are pencils,
[01:11:45] notebooks, bags, etc. There are winter boots and coats.
[01:11:49] There are sports clothes. There are school uniforms.
[01:11:53] There are after-school study classes that cost money.
[01:11:56] After-school study opens, pay money. School is painted, pay money.
[01:12:00] Toilet paper, tissues, soap
[01:12:03] will be bought, pay money. For those too, pay 1500-2000. So
[01:12:07] families are constantly paying money. Fill up
[01:12:10] the gas, fill up the diesel, and do grocery shopping, pay the rent,
[01:12:14] pay the bills. And the income is fixed. And you're told
[01:12:17] not to expect anything other than the inflation difference
[01:12:21] in January, not to expect much. I chose two products,
[01:12:24] and I'll give their prices. Let's say you're a working
[01:12:28] person, and you said, "At least I'll eat chicken," or "I'll buy chicken for dinner."
[01:12:32] We've moved away from red meat, we'll buy chicken.
[01:12:35] One of our viewers sent a list. Please look
[01:12:38] at the list. Chicken has become comparable to meat. Yes, yes,
[01:12:42] prices are like 400-500. You buy a chicken, you pay around
[01:12:46] 550 liras. Sunflower oil is 100, where is it? Here are the prices.
[01:12:49] If you give it to me, I'll see it. I can't see it anyway.
[01:12:52] He made a list.
[01:12:56] For example, a whole chicken costs over 500 liras,
[01:13:00] half a chicken is 450 liras. Even kokoreç
[01:13:03] is over 300 liras. People are eating
[01:13:07] Adana kofte, that is, meatballs from white meat,
[01:13:10] wings, Adana, etc. But even those are expensive. You can't
[01:13:14] even afford white meat. Sunflower oil, which you use every day,
[01:13:17] is approaching 160 liras. They're trying to live like this.
[01:13:20] Do you have an answer to the question of how they will live? What
[01:13:24] will we do now? At the beginning of the program,
[01:13:27] while reading newspaper headlines, there was something in one newspaper:
[01:13:30] "We were left without brothers."
[01:13:32] That was Yeni Şafak.
[01:13:35] You mentioned a student,
[01:13:38] 51,000 liras just for basic school expenses, this is food expenses.
[01:13:42] The child will eat at school. So why were we left without
[01:13:45] brothers? They should look at themselves a bit.
[01:13:48] 10,500 liras just for food in a public school,
[01:13:51] isn't it? A public school, not a private school. "When you consider
[01:13:55] all the other things you mentioned, it's a really significant
[01:13:59] amount. It means a family's entire minimum wage goes just
[01:14:02] to education. Do you know what the meal was on the first
[01:14:06] day? Chicken pasta
[01:14:08] soup, chicken, so again chicken, yes.
[01:14:12] Another thing, it comes to 290 liras. In these conditions,
[01:14:15] it's really hard to live. It's very hard to live in big
[01:14:18] cities. People are trying to get by by borrowing,
[01:14:22] but that only goes so far. They're cutting back on everything.
[01:14:26] From the quality of food to the meal portions, everyone
[01:14:29] says they've reduced it to two meals a day now.
[01:14:33] This applies to almost everyone. Cinema,
[01:14:36] television, or eating out, everything has become a luxury
[01:14:39] in our lives. And this
[01:14:41] is how we live. I mean, won't these people go to the barber?
[01:14:45] 700 liras. If their combi boiler breaks,
[01:14:48] 3000 liras for 3 hours of service. If it stays for 3 hours,
[01:14:51] service is 3000. If a tile is broken,
[01:14:54] I asked them to come and lay it. They charge 7-8000 liras a day.
[01:14:58] If the air conditioner breaks, it's approaching 10,000 liras.
[01:15:01] Unfortunately, that's how the numbers
[01:15:04] are. So people are cutting back on everything and trying
[01:15:08] to live just for these basic needs. That's what they're trying to live for.
[01:15:12] And we call this living. But just now, Kerim Bey
[01:15:15] also stated that perhaps the most important
[01:15:18] result of this will be income inequality. The gap there will widen
[01:15:22] greatly. So, in this upcoming period, perhaps
[01:15:26] 10 million of the 86 million people in the country are living
[01:15:29] far above Swiss standards. The remaining
[01:15:32] are living by Belgian Swiss standards. All the rest of us have
[01:15:36] become like people living in third-world countries.
[01:15:40] I've also grown quite old,
[01:15:43] and we haven't seen anything like this before, we haven't experienced
[01:15:47] this. This is very clear and true. I took
[01:15:51] an excerpt from Birgün Newspaper's headline last weekend. In August
[01:15:54] alone, 15 children under the age of 14 died
[01:15:58] in work-related accidents. 21 people
[01:16:01] over 65 years old, so among the elderly,
[01:16:04] over 1500 people, 1509 people
[01:16:08] lost their lives. Do you know that 117 of them
[01:16:11] were over 65? Being retired is not enough,
[01:16:14] they can't live if they don't work. Many of them die in construction
[01:16:18] sites, and children also work in this manner.
[01:16:21] And when we tell children
[01:17:00] they are trying to earn money, yes, child labor. Also, we work
[01:17:03] the most, meaning the rate of long-hour workers in Turkey is
[01:17:07] 15.1%. There's quite a distance between
[01:17:11] us and the nearest country. Look,
[01:17:14] Colombia works at an average of 14.2%.
[01:17:17] That means 14.2% of workers work long
[01:17:21] hours. Ours is 15.1%. For example, in South Korea, this
[01:17:25] drops to 7.8%, in America
[01:17:28] to 3.3%, and in Poland to 3.2%.
[01:17:31] The rate of long-hour workers is very high here.
[01:17:34] We are world champions in that too. We work a lot,
[01:17:38] so even if we work long, long hours, we don't get
[01:17:41] a significant salary difference, a wage difference. They work for that
[01:17:45] 3% wage difference in America. That 3% is correct.
[01:17:48] They work to get good wages, more wages. But such a difference
[01:17:51] is not created here. There's one more piece of news,
[01:17:55] then let's move on to the funds. Orta Anadolu Trade and Industry
[01:17:58] Enterprise. This is a 73-year-old company
[01:18:01] in Kayseri. And it has factories. It produces
[01:18:05] denim fabric for the world's biggest brands. Since 1993,
[01:18:09] it has served more than 300 denim brands, including Levi's,
[01:18:12] Mavi, Lee, Diesel. It has decided
[01:18:16] to close its factories. It closed
[01:18:18] completely on September 11th.
[01:18:21] All production facilities
[01:18:23] will be completely closed by October 12, 2026.
[01:18:27] Employees were sent on paid leave for one month.
[01:18:30] Under the Karamancı Holding,
[01:18:33] then all their rights will be paid, and the factories
[01:18:36] will be completely closed. It's a large
[01:18:40] factory, employing 1500 people.
[01:18:43] Yes, yes, quite a lot in Turkey. But
[01:18:46] for the past few months, I said, with the disruption
[01:18:50] of trends from the Far East, some of the textile and apparel
[01:18:53] orders from Europe are being shifted back to Turkey,
[01:18:56] but Turkey is very expensive. The exchange
[01:19:00] rate, the dollar-TL exchange rate, the TL has appreciated
[01:19:03] too much, so exporters are struggling.
[01:19:06] Costs. Now, think about it,
[01:19:09] labor costs on average exceeded
[01:19:13] $500. This 73-year-old textile giant. The total
[01:19:16] wage, with the bonus, exceeded $1500. Even the average.
[01:19:20] He says markets shrunk. Markets are reopening in textile
[01:19:24] and apparel. In textile and apparel, the Far
[01:19:27] East, the Strait of Hormuz, the Red Sea. We saw this
[01:19:30] during the pandemic. A similar situation to the pandemic.
[01:19:34] After America attacked Iran,
[01:19:37] "We always talk about risks. I used to say that some opportunities
[01:19:41] would also arise. The head of TIM said this the other day. Our
[01:19:44] viewers will remember this. I said this. I have said it
[01:19:46] many times, there will be opportunities in textile clothing,
[01:19:50] orders will shift to Turkey, but they also closed these
[01:19:53] because I said costs are high, so
[01:19:57] the cost is high, very high cost.
[01:20:00] Of course, it went to Egypt, professor, 1500 dollars is the wage
[01:20:03] cost here, 1500 dollars, in Egypt it's 200 dollars."
[01:20:07] Okay, you can't find the same work in Egypt, but the difference is very
[01:20:10] high, the world is complex, and
[01:20:14] it's not clear what Trump will do, the Middle East
[01:20:18] is tense. The American Central Bank is not
[01:20:22] in favor of interest rate cuts, it gives the impression of increasing them. GP Morgan and
[01:20:25] other banks say interest rates will increase.
[01:20:29] When you look inside, while the markets
[01:20:33] are like this, our stock market is also complex, our costs are very
[01:20:36] high. "Will these people pay their dues, pay the bill, send their children
[01:20:40] to school, pay for their service, buy clothes, in the evening
[01:20:43] they can't even buy chicken, let alone meat, they go to the evening market.
[01:20:47] We said these things, we also
[01:20:50] discussed the prices, if you want to say something here, we'll take it, then
[01:20:53] I'll move on to the situation of the funds, Kerim Rota.
[01:20:56] Yes, actually, this program, which is more than 3 years
[01:21:00] old, under the name of inflation
[01:21:03] combat program, is actually a financial stability program.
[01:21:06] It summarizes where the program got stuck,
[01:21:10] where it got stuck is income justice, inflation, and
[01:21:13] predominantly the fact that
[01:21:17] the pressure of interest and
[01:21:21] wages, which is piled
[01:21:23] on 85-90% of the society, is not felt much
[01:21:27] by 10% of the society. When this happens,
[01:21:31] the program should have been revised
[01:21:33] and moved to another phase a long time ago, but...
[01:21:38] It didn't happen, because in between, many political
[01:21:41] ambitions arose, many aspirations arose.
[01:21:44] When this happens, it seems that we will enter
[01:21:47] the next elections with a slightly diluted derivative of this program.
[01:21:51] But this
[01:21:53] period between 2023-2027 or 28
[01:21:57] will, I think, take its place in history
[01:22:01] as a very unsuccessful program, it will have achieved financial stability.
[01:22:04] That is, Turkey's risk units, the foreigners'.
[01:22:07] The job of people keeping their money in the bank
[01:22:11] will not result in a breakdown
[01:22:13] in these times. But
[01:22:17] in other parts, it will be a program that failed.
[01:22:21] Of course, we will talk about the capital market
[01:22:24] in terms of financial stability. There are unfortunately
[01:22:27] some signs that this could also be at risk.
[01:22:31] Hopefully, no harm will come to that. I will say two
[01:22:34] more things. Since the beginning of the year, pet has increased by 60%, says Professor Hakan Kara.
[01:22:38] European natural gas prices also increased by 160% in Euro terms.
[01:22:42] If there is no easing until the end of the month, natural gas
[01:22:46] and electricity prices may increase in October, because a 3-month evaluation will be made.
[01:22:50] Also, we already have revaluation increases in January.
[01:22:53] And also, the burdens
[01:22:57] on citizens are not just this much, there is also the tax burden.
[01:23:01] According to the OVP, an average of 817,324
[01:23:04] liras of tax is expected per person in 3 years. So...
[01:23:08] The tax increase is 36.5%, inflation forecast is 21%. So
[01:23:12] get ready to pay those taxes too. Our troubles are not just one,
[01:23:15] because we pay for news. Now,
[01:23:18] a compass finance holding
[01:23:21] board chairman İsmail Saymaz said he fled abroad
[01:23:25] to Greece. Things got complicated,
[01:23:29] then these portfolio
[01:23:32] companies, these value
[01:23:35] increases, these revaluations that have been talked
[01:23:38] about a lot in recent days,
[01:23:41] eyes were turned to them again. Now,
[01:23:44] this Pusula also owns Katılım Ev,
[01:23:48] and also İktisat Bank. It also owns Pusula
[01:23:51] Portföy, and there were negotiations with Tera
[01:23:54] for Katılım Ev, with Tera Portföy. Now,
[01:23:58] on August 28, Katılım Ev's share price was 69 liras.
[01:24:02] A very good analysis was made in the world of bosses, and I benefited from that analysis.
[01:24:05] On August 30, Pusula Finance
[01:24:09] Holding announced that it would buy shares of Katılım Ev up to 10 billion liras.
[01:24:13] Now it says it will buy shares. On September 3,
[01:24:16] a purchase of 992 million
[01:24:20] was made. Then in 4 trading days,
[01:24:23] a purchase of 2.3 billion was made in 45.3 million shares.
[01:24:27] Pusula itself didn't make these purchases. So
[01:24:30] many shares were bought from the stock exchange.
[01:24:33] On September 8-9, the shares hit rock bottom
[01:24:37] despite such purchases. The price dropped from 69 liras
[01:24:41] to 33 liras. Currently, it is around 33 liras and is still trading
[01:24:44] at the rock bottom price. Then, in this process, sales
[01:24:48] negotiations with Terra began on September 9. It is announced, first it is said
[01:24:52] that they will buy Katılım Ev shares up to 10 billion liras on the stock exchange. Then
[01:24:55] 2.3 billion liras of purchases are made in 4 days.
[01:24:59] Pusula Finance Holding does this for 992 million liras.
[01:25:02] Then the shares hit rock bottom.
[01:25:05] Then a sales negotiation with Tera
[01:25:08] begins. On September 10, it is said
[01:25:12] that an agreement on terms has been reached. On September 12, news spreads
[01:25:15] that Pusula Portföy chairman Muhammet Yarız went to Greece.
[01:25:18] He says "I didn't go, I'm in Bodrum, I will give a statement."
[01:25:22] On September 12, it is alleged that Katılım Ev board chairman Serdar
[01:25:25] Turhan has a travel ban abroad.
[01:25:28] It is written and drawn that Serdar Turhan obtained
[01:25:31] a house residence permit in Greece, bought a house, bought a villa in Dubai,
[01:25:35] bought a yacht, bought a plane, etc. Then
[01:25:38] they say
[01:25:42] negotiations with Tera are continuing for Katılım Ev, there is no problem,
[01:25:46] this news did not affect these negotiations. That's what is being said. Last night.
[01:25:50] Even though it's the weekend, Sunday evening, night, yes.
[01:25:54] Tera says we reached an agreement, Muhammet
[01:25:58] Yarız and others left, Serdar Turhan also left, I am now
[01:26:01] the chairman of the board as Emre Tezmen. Therefore,
[01:26:04] we have also appointed managers. The agreement is complete.
[01:26:08] Now we are waiting for the approval processes from BDDK, SPK and the Competition
[01:26:11] Authority. It says the agreement is complete. We don't know what the price is, what kind of agreement it is,
[01:26:15] what will happen. But it says the agreement
[01:26:18] has been reached. Therefore, such an announcement is made. So,
[01:26:22] Katılım Ev starts with a price of 69 liras. Then share purchase, then
[01:26:25] negotiations with Tera, then a process leading to news that the boss
[01:26:29] fled. And yesterday's portfolio companies
[01:26:32] were, of course, debated again by everyone,
[01:26:36] what will happen here. Of course,
[01:26:40] there are many questions, how was the agreement with Tera
[01:26:42] decided, is there another statement to be announced
[01:26:46] to investors, how did the share hit rock bottom with share purchase, who
[01:26:49] bought and who sold? These are, of course, questions
[01:26:53] that need to be asked. Would you say something, let's start with Mr. Kerim,
[01:26:57] what do you say, please, Ms. Ebru. Instead of summarizing
[01:27:01] this whole process through one or two brokerage firms
[01:27:04] or portfolio management companies or participation houses,
[01:27:07] let me start with this: first of all,
[01:27:11] there is manipulation in the stock market or, with its new name, the share
[01:27:14] market and fund market in Turkey. I'm not saying this, Mehmet Şimşek
[01:27:18] said this on November 3, 2025,
[01:27:22] at the opening of the Capital Markets Congress. He said
[01:27:26] there is manipulation here, and they said they would take measures.
[01:27:29] Appropriate measures
[01:27:33] came on August 28, 2026. 10 months passed.
[01:27:36] During these 10 months, funds
[01:27:40] and some shares
[01:27:43] that were suspected of being manipulated
[01:27:46] increased almost 8-10 times.
[01:27:51] Therefore, their values increased, and the situation grew
[01:27:54] considerably. So,
[01:27:58] it became harder to find a solution to this.
[01:28:01] But the August 28 communique
[01:28:04] stipulated a process that gradually prevents
[01:28:07] these actions from being repeated and reduces existing
[01:28:11] positions. However,
[01:28:14] there are two important points here. One is October 31, and the other is December 31.
[01:28:17] The actual unwinding of positions here should have been completed by
[01:28:21] this date. For Pusula, the story started on August 28.
[01:28:24] Your calendar also starts on September 3. Investors
[01:28:28] who knew or guessed what kind of assets
[01:28:31] were in it, who consciously entered
[01:28:35] this business, shouldn't be called small investors.
[01:28:39] Most of the investors started withdrawing their money.
[01:28:42] Under normal circumstances, when you withdraw your money from a fund,
[01:28:45] what will happen is that the assets within the fund
[01:28:49] are sold at a slightly cheaper price, but you get your money. However,
[01:28:52] here, especially some shares
[01:28:55] were manipulated so much that when no real
[01:28:59] buyer could be found for them, some of Pusula's funds
[01:29:03] started showing negative returns of close to 20-25% daily.
[01:29:06] It didn't stop there. As of today,
[01:29:09] a fund that has 100 liras
[01:29:12] worth of shares has a debt of almost 500 liras,
[01:29:16] because when no one buys at those prices, they have
[01:29:20] to use credit, and the situation became inextricable. Of course,
[01:29:23] with so much damaged
[01:29:25] reputation, two things are expected.
[01:29:29] When there was investor outflow from the portfolio
[01:29:33] fund, there was a shake-up, right? Of course.
[01:29:37] Let me give you an example. A factoring
[01:29:40] company that currently has 250 employees
[01:29:44] has a valuation of 16.7 billion dollars.
[01:29:47] Tüpraş's value is 16.5 billion dollars. These were
[01:29:50] closing prices on Friday, today they are roughly the same.
[01:29:54] Turkey's largest company and a fund have
[01:29:57] the same value, that's right. And I'm talking
[01:30:00] about a company that has been included in the list of the 30
[01:30:04] most valuable companies, which we call BIST 30, by the stock exchange.
[01:30:08] So, Türk Telekom, Turkcell, public banks, all of them are in the list.
[01:30:11] It's worth 4 times more than Turkcell.
[01:30:15] Now, when there's an outflow from a fund that holds
[01:30:18] the shares of this company, who will buy this company for 15 billion dollars
[01:30:22] instead of 16 billion dollars, who will buy it for 12 billion dollars,
[01:30:26] who will buy it for 10 billion dollars, who will buy it for 8 billion, 2 billion
[01:30:29] dollars? So, a chain forms now, but
[01:30:33] I'm not talking about a single stock. There's a shipping company with 250
[01:30:37] employees, 6.5 billion dollars. I'm not naming names, I don't
[01:30:40] think there's any harm in naming names. Now,
[01:30:44] there are probably 15-20 such shares
[01:30:47] and 15-20 funds formed
[01:30:51] in Turkey. And actually, Article
[01:30:55] 107/1 of the Capital Markets Law considers artificial
[01:30:59] market price formation and artificial price formation in the market
[01:31:04] as a crime. But during these 10 months, and before that, and
[01:31:07] still, the CMB has not filed any criminal complaint
[01:31:10] about this. It only made regulations to solve
[01:31:13] this and to ensure that it is not repeated.
[01:31:17] And while making these regulations, it took very restrictive
[01:31:21] decisions regarding these types of free
[01:31:24] funds. And actually, it imposed significant financial and human
[01:31:28] resources burdens on portfolio management companies
[01:31:31] that do their job properly and companies that do their job properly.
[01:31:34] So, it clearly gave the message that "I know what happened,
[01:31:38] but I cannot legally deal with those who did it."
[01:31:41] But since the issue grew so much and they probably
[01:31:44] saw the risk of it shaking financial stability, they felt the need
[01:31:48] to take a precaution. Excuse me, professor, I apologize, the management
[01:31:52] of the Tera group did not change, Pusula's management changed.
[01:31:55] If my colleagues correct me, Tera's management did not change, Pusula's
[01:31:59] changed. Of course.
[01:32:04] It seems like Tera group's management changed. Pusula,
[01:32:07] Pusula's changed. The participation house's changed.
[01:32:10] Yes, go ahead. Now,
[01:32:14] not only in the fund market, but also in some stocks,
[01:32:18] very strange things happened. So, Mr. Yaşar,
[01:32:20] Ms. Ebru, Professor İbrahim, the four of us establish a company.
[01:32:24] We put 100 middle-class cars into it, each worth 1 million.
[01:32:28] We put 100 cars with a capital of 100 million liras.
[01:32:31] Then we IPO 20% of this company. We collect
[01:32:35] those 20 million shares
[01:32:37] from somewhere. Then we put these
[01:32:41] shares into a fund, a closed free
[01:32:44] fund that we are a part of. Then we take
[01:32:48] these 100 million shares and increase their value to 5 billion. Then this fund
[01:32:52] has a very low public float. You know that no one bought
[01:32:56] it when it was first offered to the public. You buy
[01:32:59] their shares from Luxembourg, Malta, or from your
[01:33:03] friends. Eventually, you have a beautiful public share.
[01:33:07] Then you establish
[01:33:10] a closed free fund with friends
[01:33:14] and family in a closed free fund, with a portfolio
[01:33:17] manager company. You raise the price of
[01:33:21] that share, which has no public float and for which no seller
[01:33:24] will come against you, from 100 million to 5 billion.
[01:33:27] After that, this fund shows
[01:33:30] incredible performance. I mean, imagine, a 100 million
[01:33:34] fund has become 5 billion liras, it has increased 50
[01:33:38] times. People say, "how well they manage funds."
[01:33:41] You also say, "I want to share my excellent fund management
[01:33:45] skills with our 17 million people."
[01:33:48] You open the fund to TEFAS, of course with CMB permission,
[01:33:51] by taking CMB permission. You enable the public to buy
[01:33:55] it. The public also buys it. While the public is buying, they also need to make a profit.
[01:33:58] You increase the fund that was 50 billion to 150
[01:34:02] billion. They also make a profit.
[01:34:05] They start defending this superior fund management skill
[01:34:09] more than anyone else. And then, of course, when the CMB and the stock exchange
[01:34:13] watched this for 10 months, this is where we are now.
[01:34:16] Now we need to see what happens next. After this,
[01:34:20] the investor is important. Protecting people is important here. The investors
[01:34:24] in Katılım Ev, I mean, the chairman
[01:34:27] of Tera's board of directors himself
[01:34:30] says, "We are responsible for protecting the money of people who scrimped
[01:34:34] and saved to invest here." Now, there is a very important critical point
[01:34:37] here. All the things we have talked
[01:34:41] about so far were within the Capital Markets Law and Capital Markets
[01:34:45] transactions. But Pusula is not just
[01:34:48] a company in the capital market. It also has
[01:34:52] a small participation bank, which means
[01:34:55] a bank that has the right to collect funds from citizens
[01:34:58] according to Islamic principles, however small.
[01:35:02] And it also has a savings finance company. These also collect people's
[01:35:05] savings, albeit indirectly. Therefore,
[01:35:09] there is a risk of these risks spreading
[01:35:12] to the banking system. There are three
[01:35:15] institutions that should take this seriously and prevent
[01:35:18] it: BDDK, which is already
[01:35:22] subject to BDDK regulations for these savings
[01:35:26] finance companies and banks. Secondly, SPK.
[01:35:29] Of course, SPK will know if there is a relationship between
[01:35:33] these money market funds and these banks. Thirdly, the Competition
[01:35:36] Authority. The Competition Authority is less important, but these two institutions are much
[01:35:40] more important. These transactions can only take place
[01:35:43] with their permission. So, if I tried to buy
[01:35:47] Ms. Hanım's car on Thursday, we couldn't go to the notary again on Monday.
[01:35:51] I mean, we would talk and discuss, we might not meet, but these transactions
[01:35:54] being done within two days and then
[01:35:57] board of directors changes happening shouldn't
[01:36:01] be independent of the decision of regulatory authorities, I think.
[01:36:04] I was going to ask that. The management changes in Pusula before the agreement
[01:36:07] is approved. Was it Muhammet Yarız or Yarız?
[01:36:11] Yes, I hadn't seen anything yet about the agreement
[01:36:15] being sent to regulatory authorities. No, it wasn't approved.
[01:36:18] But Muhammet Yarız and Serdar
[01:36:21] Turhan left the management. The management appointed by Tera
[01:36:25] and Emre Tezmen came, but it hasn't been approved
[01:36:27] yet, yes. Now,
[01:36:31] board of directors changes are made in
[01:36:34] banks and savings finance companies. Then BDDK
[01:36:38] gives permission. They have 1 week to object, so the change might have been made.
[01:36:41] But normally, the proper thing is
[01:36:45] to make a notification, and if no objection comes within that week, then
[01:36:49] these changes are made. That's more proper. But
[01:36:52] the Competition Board's permission for Carrefour's sale
[01:36:56] came in about 3 and a half months. So these are not
[01:37:00] very easy processes. Such
[01:37:03] rapid management changes and so on are also important
[01:37:06] in terms of preventing contamination in the banking
[01:37:10] sector. I think it is important.
[01:37:13] Very careful consideration is needed from
[01:37:16] now on. I think regulatory institutions, both
[01:37:19] for the banking system, as I mentioned earlier,
[01:37:23] "let financial stability not be disturbed." The citizens have suffered so much for
[01:37:27] 3.5 years for this. My aim in saying "let's not face
[01:37:30] another financial stability risk" was this. But
[01:37:34] what I can only tell investors is that
[01:37:37] these days are important in terms of news flow.
[01:37:41] So, if there are significant outflows from funds
[01:37:45] holding shares that are weak in terms of selling to markets,
[01:37:49] it is very possible for them to experience rapid
[01:37:53] value loss. But if there is no outflow,
[01:37:57] if money inflow continues and the current balance holds,
[01:38:00] then its sustainability is certainly possible. But October 31 and December
[01:38:04] 31 are also important. For both
[01:38:07] these institutions, both the CMB and the stock exchange,
[01:38:11] the regulatory institutions, these are the last
[01:38:14] days if there is no change, if there is no
[01:38:17] easing. So, for investors,
[01:38:20] it's important to research who they are working
[01:38:23] with and what's in the funds. They now have the chance to see
[01:38:26] these things from all kinds of small applications.
[01:38:30] I saw, for example, Pusula has
[01:38:33] a fund that gained 40 billion liras in value
[01:38:37] from January to March. Yes.
[01:38:40] There are very rapid value increases. No one just
[01:38:44] gives that
[01:38:48] You gave a clearer picture, you said that Tüpraş,
[01:38:51] there is a fund value larger than Tüpraş. You said, there is a factoring
[01:38:55] company larger than Turkey's largest
[01:39:01] such
[01:39:02] a return
[01:39:06] no, factories are closing down one after another. These are prices
[01:39:09] inflated on paper, inflated on paper.
[01:39:13] The shares are yours, Ms. Ebru, the shares are completely yours.
[01:39:17] Look, let me tell you another method. You wrote
[01:39:20] this. Exactly one year ago, on September
[01:39:23] 12, 2025, I wrote "in trendy funds
[01:39:27] on the stock market." For a day or a few days, we talked
[01:39:31] in these broadcasts about how these companies could be larger than the value
[01:39:34] of a large bank. I mean, the market value of one
[01:39:38] factoring company is greater than the value of four
[01:39:41] large banks. What is it? The shares are yours. When
[01:39:44] they are yours, what do you do? Let's say it's 10 liras, you write a sale
[01:39:48] for 11 liras, you buy at 11 liras.
[01:39:52] It continues to be high, high, high every day. The next day
[01:39:55] 12, 13. Let me give you an example. There is a company worth 1
[01:39:59] billion with 1 million shares. The shares are yours. 30% is
[01:40:03] publicly traded, whatever. And 30% is yours, all
[01:40:06] of it is yours, all of it is yours. You increase the value of a 1 billion
[01:40:10] company to 500 billion liras in one year,
[01:40:14] by selling yourself, as I just said. As I
[01:40:18] just said, the shares are yours. Well, this
[01:40:21] is a crime. Look, at one point,
[01:40:24] all financial crimes.
[01:40:27] There is a favoritism of public
[01:40:30] power there. In all financial crimes,
[01:40:34] in all financial crimes, if the public takes
[01:40:37] the necessary measures at the necessary time, there
[01:40:41] will be no financial crime, because these are recorded transactions.
[01:40:45] Now, you increased the value of a 1 billion company
[01:40:48] to 500 billion through artificial
[01:40:52] transactions. Okay. The fund
[01:40:55] that holds those shares makes a profit
[01:40:59] of 499 billion liras in one year.
[01:41:02] It shows a profit. You'll say, is there such a profit?
[01:41:06] No, but in the balance sheet,
[01:41:08] a net profit of 499 billion liras is written.
[01:41:12] Let's say 1 billion is lost, 498 billion liras net profit
[01:41:16] is written. Similar to this,
[01:41:19] in the stock market, in the market, these funds,
[01:41:23] as my professor just said, there is a factoring company
[01:41:26] with a market value of 870 billion TL.
[01:41:30] Koç Holding's market value is 550 billion.
[01:41:33] A factoring company's value is 1.5 times
[01:41:36] the market value of Turkey's largest industrial enterprise
[01:41:40] that provides 75-80,000 jobs. How can such a thing happen? And
[01:41:43] this is taken into account in the stock market
[01:41:46] index. The MSI index warned Turkey for
[01:41:49] this reason, saying that "your index
[01:41:52] values, company values, there is fraud
[01:41:55] in this business, there is cheating in this business." I mean, they conduct
[01:41:59] legal betting operations in Turkey and close legal bets.
[01:42:03] They had opened a legal stock market casino for a few years. Money should go to legal
[01:42:07] betting, but instead it goes to legal stock market gambling. An investigation
[01:42:10] was conducted, the investigation is ongoing, six names have been identified, be careful.
[01:42:14] There are holding shares.
[01:42:17] It went from 1 lira to 80 liras.
[01:42:21] From 1 lira to 80 liras. What is
[01:42:24] the freedom in the company's balance sheet? What is
[01:42:28] the risk right now?
[01:42:31] What is the risk? As Professor Kerim just said,
[01:42:35] you came to this fund and invested,
[01:42:38] you bought something from the fund, you want to sell,
[01:42:42] there are no buyers to sell to. A share that was 1 lira
[01:42:45] went to 80 liras. Who will buy at 80,
[01:42:48] who will buy at 60, who will buy at 50, who will buy at 40, who will buy at 30?
[01:42:52] You can't sell.
[01:42:54] The fund can't sell it. What happens when it can't sell? What did
[01:42:58] you say, professor? For example, in a 500
[01:43:01] million fund, there are people who have sold,
[01:43:05] but the shares in the fund's possession are not even 10 million.
[01:43:08] The deficit of 490 million who will cover it, how will they cover it?
[01:43:12] He will take out a loan, do this, do that, and then he won't be able to turn it back.
[01:43:15] This system has been in place for years.
[01:43:18] It's been in fashion for a few years. With this system,
[01:43:21] who gave permission, who allowed it?
[01:43:25] I'm coming back to what? To the public? Yes,
[01:43:28] what I always come to is public CMB measures.
[01:43:32] Did they create a bottleneck? I wonder. On August
[01:43:35] 28, of course, the CMB measures were correct.
[01:43:39] But they should have been taken much earlier.
[01:43:42] I mean, when you look at the list of CMB
[01:43:45] measures, it was as if they had already written
[01:43:49] the chronology for this. When you look at it, these were measures that should
[01:43:52] have been taken much earlier. In between, a CMB chairman changed
[01:43:56] many times. It was written, drawn, communiqués went,
[01:43:59] came, but nothing was done, unfortunately. I agree
[01:44:03] 100% with my teacher İbrahim. I mean, without public power,
[01:44:06] without political connections, such a...
[01:44:10] it's absolutely impossible to operate such a mechanism.
[01:44:14] I have a teacher I love very much, Hakan Yılmaz teacher. He sent me
[01:44:17] a message. In Gabriel
[01:44:20] Marcel Marcos's novel "Chronicle of a Death Foretold", there is a sentence: "Everyone knew
[01:44:24] the murder would happen. Everything was so obvious,
[01:44:27] and it was going on recklessly." Morgan Stanley also had a saying adapted from there
[01:44:31] in the 2008 crisis: "Everyone was dancing,
[01:44:34] I couldn't sit." Unfortunately, it's like that.
[01:44:38] I mean, an example.
[01:44:46] Without naming names, an investment fund established up to 5 years ago has increased 1600 times in dollar terms.
[01:44:50] 1600 times. In the same period, Nvidia
[01:44:54] system, that is, which has made a breakthrough
[01:44:57] in technology, Nvidia stock has increased 30 times.
[01:45:01] Someone who invested 100 dollars on that day
[01:45:04] and held it until today has seen their dollar become 1.6 million
[01:45:07] dollars. None of these can be done
[01:45:10] in other real market conditions, by creating a real company
[01:45:14] value behind it. But the CMB knew this much
[01:45:17] better than us. So,
[01:45:20] do you have any advice for investors? Let me add one more thing.
[01:45:23] Is the Turkish economy
[01:45:27] different from these stock market
[01:45:29] funds? Let me give you a figure. I analyzed this the other day.
[01:45:33] In 2018, in 2019, my per
[01:45:36] capita income was 9,000, say 700,000 dollars.
[01:45:40] While my per capita income was 10,000
[01:45:43] dollars, my food purchasing power
[01:45:46] was, according to the hunger threshold prices announced
[01:45:49] by Türk-İş, my food purchasing power was
[01:45:53] 21,000. Today, my per capita income has reached 19,000
[01:45:56] dollars, but my food purchasing power
[01:45:59] is behind that of 2018-2019, slightly less or the same,
[01:46:03] let's say it's the same level. I mean,
[01:46:06] the Turkish economy is like this
[01:46:10] "faktöring şirketi gibi şişiyor, büyüme diye bir
[01:46:13] şey yok ki, refah artmıyor, 2018'den
[01:46:17] 2017'den beri satın
[01:46:20] alma gücü, gıda satın alma gücüne göre benim büyümem
[01:46:24] 0,0 kişi başına büyümem sıfır, emeklinin
[01:46:27] eksi kaç acaba yani onlar eksi zaten şey asgari
[01:46:30] ücretli asgari ücretten örnek vereyim
[01:46:34] 2017-18'de asgari ücretinin
[01:46:37] yıllık geliri açlık." %6
[01:46:41] altındaydı, şimdi %23
[01:46:44] altında, açlık sınırının %6
[01:46:47] altındaydı, şimdi %23 altında, aynı dönemde kişi başı
[01:46:51] milli geri 3 kat arttı, evet faizsiz tabii eee insanlar
[01:46:55] hani bir belli bir para yatırıyorlar, sonra kurada
[01:46:58] çıkıp ev sahibi oluyorlar az bir paraya, sonra onun taksitlerini ödüyorlar
[01:47:02] falan, tabii hani darboğaz olunca da bu şirketlere
[01:47:05] ilgi çok büyüdü, otomobilde de bu uygulanıyor, insanlar
[01:47:09] buraya. "hakikaten dişinden tırnağından arttırdığını
[01:47:12] yatırıyor e bu fonlara biraz daha fazla bir getirim olsun
[01:47:16] diye kadar çok konuşuldu ki yatırım yapanlar var eee
[01:47:20] ya yatırımcının korunması burada esas onların zarar görmesi
[01:47:23] esas e oraya e onlara dönük bir şey söylemek ister
[01:47:27] misiniz öyle tamamlıyor isterim aslında eee bu bu
[01:47:31] tür eee tasarruf finansman şirketlerinin hepsi aslında bddk
[01:47:34] eee kontrolünde ve düzenlemesinde o yüzden çok
[01:47:37] endişe edecek bir şeyleri olduklarını hiç düşünmüyor."
[01:47:50] olabilir, mesela katılım esaslı fonlara yatırmaları lazım ama bir
[01:47:53] katılım esaslı para piyasası fonula yatırıp da içinde başka bir şey var mı, bunu biz
[01:47:56] bilemeyiz tabii ki, bunu bilmesi gereken SPK, BDDK'nın koordineli
[01:48:00] çalışmalarıdır, ama bu konunun eee iyi
[01:48:04] düzenlendiğini bilelim, o yüzden şu anda çok endişe edecek
[01:48:08] bir durum yok asıl. küçük yatırımcıların da orada olduğunu da bilelim,
[01:48:11] yani gerçekten ufak tefek tasarruflarla ee işte 7 ay sonra 18
[01:48:15] ay sonra bir eee toplu paraya ulaşmak isteyen eee ve
[01:48:19] aslında hem birikimi eee hem de oradan bir eee varlık
[01:48:22] edinmeyi eee şey yapan teşvik eden önemli
[01:48:26] kuruluşlar eee o yüzden bunların BDDK tarafından
[01:48:29] zaten denetleniyordu daha dikkatli bir şekilde denetleneceğine
[01:48:33] benim inancım var çok teşekkür ediyorum Kerim hocam sağ
[01:48:36] you have a portfolio company,
[01:48:46] you create funds within it, you put various investment tools
[01:48:50] in it, but you also put your own company's shares in it, then
[01:48:53] it grows with leverage, it has a very high return, a portfolio
[01:48:57] company can reach the size of Tüpraş, 2-3 times
[01:49:00] that of Turkcell, then investors come there, but
[01:49:04] when you start withdrawing money, there can be a bottleneck.
[01:49:07] We see that there is no such money. Okay, yes, but now
[01:49:10] did this person go abroad or not? What happened to this sale?
[01:49:14] An official statement regarding the investor
[01:49:18] needs to be made, please. But
[01:49:21] look, the prosecutor's office conducts operations
[01:49:25] because social media affects stock values. Six accounts... I wish
[01:49:29] we hadn't reached the point where we have to conduct operations.
[01:49:32] This time, let me put a headline for our viewers.
[01:49:35] How do they conduct operations against small investors
[01:49:39] in legal betting? Let me also say this:
[01:49:41] Don't gamble.
[01:49:43] Well, I still prefer to remain calm,
[01:49:47] and I believe that regulatory bodies will intervene at this point
[01:49:50] before a major loss occurs. But this much inflation,
[01:49:54] reaching this point after such a long time, is a question.
[01:49:58] Let's leave this question here. Yaşar Aydın, thank you
[01:50:01] very much for your time. Yes, it was
[01:50:05] very good, your contribution was great. Thank you.
[01:50:08] Yaşar Aydın, the general broadcast coordinator of BirGün newspaper,
[01:50:11] was our guest. We are concluding. İrem Sansak is coming. Goodbye.
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[01:57:19] There are news of price increases and discounts in fuel prices.
[01:57:22] The pump doesn't stay steady, citizens are confused.
[01:57:25] Tracking fuel prices is harder than tracking the stock market.
[01:57:29] Now, timing is also important. We asked
[01:57:33] the public: When and according to what do you decide to fill
[01:57:36] your tank? Honestly, we can't really decide that in Turkey
[01:57:40] anymore, because it's volatile every day.
[01:57:43] We buy fuel when it hits rock bottom,
[01:57:46] that is. The price, that is,
[01:57:49] as much as our money allows, according to my needs
[01:57:53] or my pocket, mostly my pocket. Sometimes I go
[01:57:56] on intercity trips, in this case,
[01:57:59] my eyes are always on the signs, wondering which one
[01:58:03] will have a discount, which one will have a price
[01:58:06] increase. It might be easier to track the stock market, because
[01:58:10] why, the screens are always in front of your eyes, but it's not like that here.
[01:58:14] Will you follow the road, or will you follow the
[01:58:17] labels on the road? These are huge problems. When my tank
[01:58:20] is empty, I have to fill it, meaning I don't look at price increases or discounts,
[01:58:24] but when there is a discount, that becomes our loss. For example,
[01:58:27] I filled my tank now, but if there's a discount at night,
[01:58:31] I'll lose money, that's what I mean. We can no longer track prices.
[01:58:35] We can't keep up because it changes every day. One day it lowers, one day it discounts, there's no stability
[01:58:39] in the country. Those discounts don't affect me at all.
[01:58:42] I mean, I'll save 200 liras on 50 liters of fuel,
[01:58:46] but while my tank used to cost 1500 liras to fill,
[01:58:49] now it costs 4500 liras. A 200 lira discount
[01:58:53] I'd get from that doesn't affect me at all. We always keep our tanks full,
[01:58:56] but prices are high now, of course.
[01:59:00] Well, my car runs on both gasoline and LPG.
[01:59:03] I cancelled the gasoline, because fuel is very expensive.
[01:59:07] LPG is also expensive, it's 30 liras in some places
[01:59:11] and 35 liras in others. I don't know, I buy and use LPG,
[01:59:14] but it's very bad for the engine. What can I do, I have to. They are making fun of us.
[01:59:18] I mean, today they increase the price,
[01:59:22] three days later they say there's a discount. What's the point?
[01:59:26] I mean, it will come again. It will come again in three days.
[01:59:30] I think it's an election investment, but people can't be fooled.
[01:59:32] boyamamaz.
[01:59:50] Hello from Halk TV screens, I'm İrem Sansak, and we are with Haber Masası.
[01:59:53] It's the first day of the week, and on the first day, there is
[01:59:57] again a busy and eventful agenda. We will discuss the headlines one by one.
[02:00:01] The day started with operations, the first bell rang, let's bring
[02:00:05] the headlines and discuss them one by one. The first bell rang, millions of
[02:00:08] students reunited with their teachers, schools, and desks today.
[02:00:12] Of course, school started. How did school start?
[02:00:16] It started with expenses. School preparations and supplies
[02:00:20] are unfortunately breaking the backs of families. Families
[02:00:23] are concerned about this issue, and we will discuss it one by one.
[02:00:26] And of course, the first bell rang, and operations immediately followed.
[02:00:30] The "Streets are Safe" operation was carried out, and legal
[02:00:34] action was taken against many people. There are 2,000 legal actions
[02:00:38] and not only operations on the streets,
[02:00:42] but also narcotic operations are taking place in many
[02:00:45] regions. We will discuss the details
[02:00:47] of these operations. The Kozinoğlu investigation.
[02:00:51] Kaşif Kozinoğlu was a former and important manager
[02:00:54] of the National Intelligence Organization. He held critical positions
[02:00:58] and was to appear in court.