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[00:00:00] Today, students were reunited with their teachers, their schools, and their desks.
[00:00:03] Of course, school has started. How did school start?
[00:00:06] It started with expenses. School preparations, school supplies, at the
[00:00:10] same time, are breaking the backs of families. Unfortunately. Families
[00:00:19] followed immediately. The Streets are Safe operation
[00:00:23] was carried out. Legal action was taken against many people,
[00:00:26] 2,000 legal actions. There
[00:00:30] are, and not only operations on the streets,
[00:00:34] but also narcotic operations are taking place. We will discuss
[00:00:37] the details of these operations
[00:00:39] in many regions. The Kozinoğlu
[00:00:43] investigation. Kaşif Kozinoğlu was a former important manager
[00:00:46] of the National Intelligence Organization. He had served in critical positions
[00:00:50] and it was announced that he passed away days before his trial.
[00:00:54] It was said that he had a heart attack. But he had told his family and
[00:00:57] lawyers before, "They will not let me out of
[00:01:01] here." Again, that file was taken
[00:01:04] off the shelves, an investigation was launched,
[00:01:07] two consecutive arrests and two operations took place,
[00:01:11] exhumation procedures were carried out, and the
[00:01:14] Kozinoğlu investigation extended even to the screenwriters
[00:01:17] of Kurtlar Vadisi. We will discuss the details.
[00:01:21] Applications for rental housing have started, applications
[00:01:24] for rental housing. Well,
[00:01:27] how much do 1+1, 2+1 apartments
[00:01:32] start from, and how high do they go? In which neighborhoods can you find
[00:01:36] these apartments? How will applications be made? All
[00:01:39] these topics and more will be with you
[00:01:43] shortly.
[00:01:52] The IBB case. The second hearing in the IBB case,
[00:01:55] 16 days, 51 detainees, 414 defendants,
[00:01:58] also started on a new day. What is expected in the IBB
[00:02:01] case today? Will a detention review take place this week?
[00:02:05] When will Ekrem İmamoğlu's defense be? What was said about
[00:02:08] this defense? At a suitable time, at a suitable interval,
[00:02:12] within a reasonable period, it was said.
[00:02:26] don't know. We will wait until the end of the month for the detention review.
[00:02:30] A detention review is conducted every month. This month, a detention review
[00:02:34] was conducted at the beginning of the month. I believe two weeks ago, two weeks later,
[00:02:38] a detention evaluation will be made again for the 51 detained individuals.
[00:02:41] Will there be a release? We will see that in the coming weeks. But
[00:02:45] in 5 weeks, 16 days, the defenses continue where they left
[00:02:48] off. In the 3 weeks that took place before, excluding one week for release,
[00:02:52] the names heard for 3 weeks, a total of 142
[00:02:56] non-detained individuals gave their defense. The defense of 183 people is still
[00:03:00] ongoing and it's going quite fast, I can say that. So far,
[00:03:04] eight people have been heard, and there hasn't even been a lunch break.
[00:03:07] Important things are being said again. Especially, expert reports were highlighted
[00:03:10] many times today, I can also say that. Among the detained
[00:03:13] individuals, Paşa Şahin was the first to take the stand. He was one of
[00:03:17] those who made a defense. He said that his name, as an IBB police officer,
[00:03:20] appeared only in a single action in the indictment, that he did not receive any illegal instructions,
[00:03:24] and that there was no claim that he gave such an instruction.
[00:03:27] After that, Eyüp Selman Korten, an IBB employee, was
[00:03:31] at the stand there.
[00:03:33] He said that he worked between 2006-2020.
[00:03:36] He stated that there was no concrete document
[00:03:39] in the file indicating that he favored any company. After his defense was
[00:03:43] completed, the lawyers' statements were heard. Immediately after that,
[00:03:47] Aykut Gamsız stated that there was a calculation error in the accusation against him,
[00:03:50] and that the calculations were correctly entered into the public procurement
[00:03:54] law system. Again, ISPALT Deputy General Manager
[00:03:58] Sencer Hacıoğlu was one of the people who spoke immediately after
[00:04:01] Aykut Gamsız. He requested his acquittal by stating that
[00:04:05] unfinalized interim payments did not cause public damage.
[00:04:08] Minutes ago, Orhan Demir was
[00:04:11] one of the people who made a defense. İbrahim Orhan Demir was formerly
[00:04:14] the Deputy Secretary General of IBE. He also pointed to that, saying
[00:04:17] that he was a defendant due to this expert report. He especially
[00:04:20] underlined that experts wrote these reports despite not
[00:04:24] having the necessary expertise. His lawyer also underlined
[00:04:27] this in his statement, saying, "These experts suggest
[00:04:31] that we commit crimes," said lawyer Rıza Koçak. Immediately after that, at these
[00:04:34] seconds, İsmail Akkaya is giving his defense at the stand. As I said,
[00:04:38] until the lunch break, non-detained individuals have started to be called
[00:04:41] quite intensely and quickly. We can see that many people
[00:04:45] attended the section where the non-detained individuals were seated. Today,
[00:04:48] we were expecting Murat Abbas to come. However, let's say he hasn't come yet.
[00:04:51] Will he be heard, will he not be heard, will he attend the hearing?
[00:04:54] We will see in the coming hours. But it's going quite fast.
[00:04:58] Like last week, until late at night.
[00:05:04] Will it end by the end of September? We will also see this for the case, because
[00:05:08] after all the non-detained individuals are done, we guess, the estimation
[00:05:11] is that Ekrem İmamoğlu will be given a suitable time and a reasonable
[00:05:15] period to present his defense. But until then, as
[00:05:18] we saw last Friday, there was the Tuzla case, which was also heard
[00:05:22] here in Silivri. Next Tuesday and the week after, on
[00:05:26] September 29th, he has new cases. One is the Büyükçekmece
[00:05:29] case, and one is Ekrem İmamoğlu's espionage case. With these,
[00:05:32] he had said last week that he would add every hearing
[00:05:35] day. "I have attended 83 separate hearings. It's been 83
[00:05:39] hearing days, I'm here." He said he would complete 100.
[00:05:42] With this progress, it seems so until the end of September. What
[00:05:46] will happen during this period? What will happen today, and will a date be given
[00:05:50] for Ekrem İmamoğlu's defense in the coming weeks? We are following
[00:05:54] all of it to report it. We hand
[00:06:11] Tuzla case, you know, After that, a sentence came,
[00:06:15] a two-year, one-month sentence came, and a political ban started to be discussed.
[00:06:19] His lawyers are appealing this, saying it's too early to discuss
[00:06:22] a political ban. Ekrem İmamoğlu
[00:06:25] made a post, saying, "Now, please put yourself in my
[00:06:29] shoes. There's a case you were acquitted of. With
[00:06:33] judicial and political games, you are brought before the judge
[00:06:36] again in this case. Moreover, the judge will only take
[00:06:40] a statement, because the case
[00:06:42] was overturned because a statement wasn't taken, meaning it's a procedural
[00:06:45] matter, not a substantive one. During this time, the judge who
[00:06:49] issued the acquittal is immediately replaced. The judge was transferred
[00:06:52] to Edirne with the summer decree, because the case was overturned
[00:06:56] because no statement was taken, he said. The judge is immediately
[00:06:59] replaced. The newly appointed judge disregards the acquittal
[00:07:03] and gives a prison sentence of more than two years, so that
[00:07:07] there will be a political ban. This is the summary of the Tuzla
[00:07:10] case, and it is a complete scandal. This is absolutely not
[00:07:13] a coincidence. 'In all my cases, judges have been changed. There
[00:07:17] is no longer any doubt that the courts that have been interfered with
[00:07:20] make decisions on behalf of politics and a single person, not
[00:07:24] on behalf of the Turkish nation. The Tuzla scandal is the latest,
[00:07:27] clear, and explicit evidence of this. Nobody should expect
[00:07:30] a fair trial from such a system. I invite the high
[00:07:34] judiciary, judges, and prosecutors to reflect
[00:07:37] on their historical responsibility. The nation
[00:07:40] is my witness,' said Ekrem.
[00:07:44] Now we said that the Kaşif Kozinoğlu
[00:07:47] investigation, the file, after years, Kaşif
[00:07:51] Kozinoğlu passed away in 2011, and after years, it was taken
[00:07:54] off the shelf, a new investigation
[00:07:57] was launched. His family had suspicions,
[00:07:59] they had objections. Two operations took place,
[00:08:03] there are arrests, there are referrals to the courthouse. Immediately
[00:08:06] after that, on Saturday, an exhumation procedure
[00:08:10] was performed, and after the exhumation procedure,
[00:08:13] now the screenwriters of Kurtlar Vadisi
[00:08:23] spread to the TV series Kurtlar Vadisi. A new development
[00:08:26] occurred in the reopened investigation and the Kozinoğlu investigation,
[00:08:30] We can easily see Especially, a TV series
[00:08:33] about the character Kaşif Kozinoğlu is on the agenda. Kurtlar Vadisi,
[00:08:36] which was very popular when it was broadcast in Turkey. Many
[00:08:40] claims about the series have come
[00:08:42] to the agenda. A character in the episodes broadcast in 2011
[00:08:46] was scrutinized. The character's name in the series is Kazım
[00:08:49] Kaşifoğlu. Allegedly, the character was inspired by Kaşif Kozinoğlu.
[00:08:52] The character in the series is an intelligence agent. The superiors are angry.
[00:08:56] In the episode of the series broadcast on November 10, 2011,
[00:08:59] Kasım Kaşifoğlu is in a cell. One of the characters in the series threatens him with these words.
[00:09:03] "I am, I am."
[00:09:07] Two days after this scene, on November 13, 2011,
[00:09:11] Kaşif Kozinoğlu died in Silivri Prison. In episode 139, the
[00:09:14] character Kaşifoğlu was also killed. The character, allegedly representing
[00:09:18] Mahmut Yıldırım, known as Code Green, entered the prison and killed
[00:09:21] Kaşifoğlu by injecting a syringe into his arm. The cause of death
[00:09:25] was declared to be a heart attack. But I do not
[00:09:28] forgive betrayal. The investigation has now
[00:09:30] reached the screenwriters.
[00:09:37] The Silivri Chief Public Prosecutor's Office summoned Raci Şaşmaz
[00:09:41] to give a statement.
[00:09:43] Some visuals from later episodes of the series
[00:09:47] in the file were also
[00:09:49] examined.
[00:09:51] The Kurtlar Vadisi Pusu account, on the day Kozinoğlu's grave was opened,
[00:09:55] shared the scene where the Kaşifoğlu character was killed in the series
[00:09:58] with the headline "The price of betrayal was heavy. Historical execution for
[00:10:02] Kaşifoğlu." The attention-grabbing post was later deleted. "It
[00:10:05] will remain a secret." The words of the series' first director, Osman
[00:10:09] Sınav, in the past, became trending again on social media.
[00:10:12] Why? "I never gave a real answer to this. It will remain
[00:10:16] a secret."
[00:10:20] A wedding from start to finish
[00:10:23] in politics. The wedding remained in the shadow of politics.
[00:10:27] Many political figures were present at Ahmet
[00:10:29] Davutoğlu's son's wedding ceremony.
[00:10:33] We see Bülent Arınç, we see Özgür Özel, Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu
[00:10:37] was there, we saw Ali Babacan at this
[00:10:39] wedding again, and Bülent Arınç's agenda included
[00:10:43] Melih Gökçek. Melih Gökçek's going to give a statement as a suspect
[00:10:46] was a topic of discussion for him. He talked about the
[00:10:50] gum in his mouth. Bülent Arınç
[00:10:54] a...
[00:11:25] A wedding podium is not a political arena. Statesmanship is not about speaking
[00:11:28] at every podium you find, but knowing where, when,
[00:11:31] and how much to speak. Following Bülent Arınç's statements,
[00:11:35] Melih Gökçek addressed the government, saying, "My comrades
[00:11:38] in arms." He said, "Everyone should see clearly who
[00:11:42] is with whom." Gökçek's call was heard from the Palace.
[00:11:45] President's Chief Advisor Oktay Saral made a strong social
[00:11:49] media post against Bülent Arınç's words. "Either
[00:11:52] you're attacking me, or a day
[00:11:55] before, another politician
[00:11:59] stated that he came by invitation, chewing gum
[00:12:02] with a smacking sound. I watched
[00:12:06] with great shame.
[00:12:11] I don't even want to mention his name, but since
[00:12:14] you applauded, you all appreciated him, I understand. If
[00:12:18] Bülent Arınç were to set up a podium in a square, he would find
[00:12:22] no one around him except a few unconscious people.
[00:12:25] When he saw thousands of people together at the wedding, he took
[00:12:29] up the saz and made the young couple's happiest day
[00:12:32] a tool for his political reckoning. Turning a wedding
[00:12:36] ceremony into a political podium is neither compatible
[00:12:40] with decency nor with statesmanship. He went
[00:12:43] at the invitation of a prosecutor, gave a statement. He answered
[00:12:46] the questions. I always stand behind the ideas
[00:12:49] I express. I am a politician,
[00:12:52] a politician criticizes.
[00:13:10] interpreted it as rude, belittling statements.
[00:13:13] Arınç also clearly reveals the pathetic state he is
[00:13:16] in, he used these expressions. Oktay Saral's criticism
[00:13:20] was not limited to just
[00:13:22] this.
[00:13:57] That's the situation. This time, politics
[00:14:01] came together at a wedding, met at a wedding. Fatih
[00:14:04] Mayor Ergün Turan, who officiated the wedding, also reacted.
[00:14:08] He said, "Politics was discussed on the children's happy day."
[00:14:11] He used the expression, "Being a politician's child
[00:14:15] has such a side." Melih Gökçek, after that,
[00:14:33] but at a wedding ceremony. The discussions started right
[00:14:37] next to the couple, who were preparing to enter their new
[00:14:40] home. Fatih Mayor said, "May God be pleased with him.
[00:14:43] I started to think worriedly about what would happen to me."
[00:14:47] "Unfortunately, the weddings of politicians' children
[00:14:50] have created an environment that overshadows their
[00:14:54] wedding itself. Therefore, our daughter
[00:14:58] should forgive us. We will see beautiful days, children,
[00:15:01] sunny, beautiful
[00:15:02] days."
[00:15:07] "We believe we have seen beautiful days, Mr. President.
[00:15:11] I cannot say that I agree with every opinion. I am
[00:15:14] here at this wedding today, of course, knowingly and willingly.
[00:15:17] We have a relationship with our Prime Minister." Ahmet
[00:15:20] Davutoğlu's son, Mehmet Davutoğlu, and Revza Öğüt
[00:15:24] united their lives with a wedding ceremony at the Haliç Congress
[00:15:27] Center. The guest list for the ceremony and the wedding witnesses
[00:15:30] were like a political summit.
[00:15:33] The New Party Leader, who met in the same frame at weddings
[00:15:36] and funeral ceremonies.
[00:15:39] and Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, the leader of the CHP by court order,
[00:15:43] were among the couple's witnesses. There was neither a dialogue
[00:15:46] nor a handshake between the two. Among the couple's witnesses
[00:15:50] were former Parliament Speaker Bülent Arınç, DEVA Party leader
[00:15:54] Ali Babacan, Felicity Party leader Mahmut Arıkan, Welfare
[00:15:58] Party leader Fatih Erbakan,
[00:16:09] to the wedding: Erdoğan. Before the investigation into
[00:16:13] Davutoğlu for insulting the President was launched, Erdoğan had
[00:16:16] invited his son to the wedding ceremony. But Erdoğan did not
[00:16:19] attend the ceremony, nor did he send a wreath
[00:16:21] or a telegram.
[00:16:24] Meral Akşener, who fills one of the seats at the Six-Party
[00:16:28] Table, also did not attend the wedding, but sent a wreath.
[00:16:32] The participation of AKP members in the wedding was also quite low.
[00:16:35] Telegrams from Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan and AKP's Efkan
[00:16:39] Ala were read at the wedding. Former President Abdullah Gül
[00:16:42] also did not attend the wedding; he sent a telegram saying he couldn't make it.
[00:16:45] Mehmet Davutoğlu and Revza Öğüt's happiest day was overshadowed
[00:17:12] this fight? Where do you think this fight will lead? What headline
[00:17:15] would you write? First of all, of course, we wish
[00:17:18] the newly married couple happiness, but I don't know how
[00:17:22] satisfied they were with such a wedding.
[00:17:25] Well, I mean, Mr. Arınç's
[00:17:29] chosen location for his statement
[00:17:32] was not appropriate, I think. We need to say that.
[00:17:35] At such a wedding, to delve into so many
[00:17:39] political evaluations during the happy moments of the couple
[00:17:42] – there were general chairs there, and other politicians as well,
[00:17:46] they didn't do it. I, in terms of
[00:17:50] etiquette, did not consider it a very appropriate place,
[00:17:54] I expressed. But why did he choose the wedding
[00:17:57] for this statement? Well, as you know, Mr. Bülent
[00:18:01] Arınç makes such statements whenever he finds an opportunity.
[00:18:05] Harsh statements, it seems at first,
[00:18:08] but when you look at the aftermath,
[00:18:11] actually, you almost want to say, "old habits
[00:18:15] die hard." These kinds of outbursts are all well and good,
[00:18:19] but what's the point? Mr. Arınç,
[00:18:22] you want to say something to the AK Party community,
[00:18:25] to the AK Party base, but you don't follow through.
[00:18:29] We feel the need to say this every time. Today, the same
[00:18:33] thing happened. The criticisms he made are important,
[00:18:36] that needs to be seen. And for the AK Party, I can also
[00:18:39] very easily say that there is still a very
[00:18:43] serious cadre with ongoing membership, who have taken
[00:18:46] on important responsibilities in the past, and these
[00:18:50] cadres are not satisfied with the current situation. I mean, they know very well
[00:18:54] that the Turkey they proposed or promised when founding the AK Party
[00:18:57] is not what it is today. And again, here,
[00:19:01] they also know very well that the reason or
[00:19:04] source of all these criticisms is President
[00:19:08] Erdoğan's policies. However, despite this,
[00:19:12] they make their criticisms. Then, if you notice, when
[00:19:15] it comes to Mr. Erdoğan, they don't even say
[00:19:18] a bad word. But they need
[00:19:21] to see that Erdoğan is the main pillar
[00:19:25] of these policies and that what is happening in Turkey today
[00:19:28] is in line with his views. I mean,
[00:19:31] they say Erdoğan is the one who knows
[00:19:35] politics best, right?
[00:19:37] I mean, they should also come out and say,
[00:19:41] what kind of politics does Mr. Erdoğan know?
[00:19:45] At the point we've reached today, I'm saying, Mr. Erdoğan,
[00:19:48] knowing that the public's vote
[00:19:51] is power, uses the powers of the state.
[00:19:54] He practices politics by using power, and not everyone
[00:19:58] can do this. Not every politician can do this. Not every
[00:20:01] president can do this. Not every prime minister can do this.
[00:20:05] Because you can use the power of all state institutions
[00:20:08] to the fullest and ruthlessly. You can suppress the opposition
[00:20:12] in this way. Not everyone can do this, but ultimately,
[00:20:15] the architect and the pioneer of this is Mr. President,
[00:20:18] especially after the transition to the presidential
[00:20:22] system of government. Now, Bülent Arınç makes
[00:20:25] those criticisms, but he cannot put them forward in a coherent
[00:20:28] way, or they lack continuity, as
[00:20:32] you know. Many former AK Party
[00:20:35] founders left the party and formed
[00:20:38] other parties, but Bülent Arınç remains within the party.
[00:20:41] However, we don't see him having
[00:20:45] such a power base within the party.
[00:20:49] And immediate reactions come from the Palace,
[00:20:52] and we need to mention that the reaction from the Palace
[00:20:56] came through the name of the Palace's most vocal
[00:20:58] spokesperson. So, there is no
[00:21:02] ideological criticism in his statement either.
[00:21:06] We only see a strong
[00:21:09] anger and nervousness. That is, from
[00:21:12] the criticisms of that Palace advisor.
[00:21:15] Let me repeat, perhaps it's a lot
[00:21:18] of talk. In the AK Party, those with such rhetoric,
[00:21:22] when you meet them face to face, believe me, I
[00:21:25] was very surprised the other day at a reception,
[00:21:29] for example. A very important former AK Party figure
[00:21:32] who had held very important positions in the past,
[00:21:36] made tremendous criticisms without me saying anything,
[00:21:40] made tremendous criticisms. But when you look at it,
[00:21:43] these criticisms are not voiced publicly.
[00:21:46] Or a correct address is
[00:21:50] not provided regarding why
[00:21:54] they originate. I will open a parenthesis here. Bülent
[00:21:57] Arınç, in his speech, again on this occasion,
[00:22:00] for example, touches upon the subject of Milli Kökçe
[00:22:04] and makes harsh criticisms against him as well. I have been saying
[00:22:08] for days,
[00:22:10] and I watch with astonishment, that Bülent
[00:22:14] Arınç, 10 years ago, said, "Ankara Parcel
[00:22:18] by Parcel." He accused Melih Gökçek. For 10 years,
[00:22:21] no prosecutor summoned him. At the beginning of this
[00:22:25] year, Bülent Arınç said again, "If a prosecutor summons
[00:22:28] me, I will go and give a statement. I will explain how Ankara
[00:22:31] was sold." Again, no one summoned him. Then, a month
[00:22:35] later, the Ankara Metropolitan Municipality applied to the prosecutor's
[00:22:39] office, asking them to hear Bülent Arınç. Again, no one
[00:22:42] listened. Meanwhile, Melih Gökçek was summoned
[00:22:46] to the prosecutor's office. We said, maybe on this occasion,
[00:22:50] Bülent Arınç's allegations will be asked, or Bülent Arınç
[00:22:53] will be summoned, "Come here, you were the Speaker of Parliament
[00:22:57] in this country, you were the Deputy Prime Minister, tell us
[00:22:59] what you mean regarding Arınç," because Arınç
[00:23:02] said again in recent days, "I am a lawyer.
[00:23:06] If summoned, I will go and give a statement." So why is no prosecutor still
[00:23:10] summoning him to take his statement?
[00:23:14] I should also mention that, and also
[00:23:17] in connection with your previous news,
[00:23:20] let me make a small addition regarding Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[00:23:24] re-conviction for political ban and insult. Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[00:23:28] statement truly deserves
[00:23:31] to be appreciated. But let me say something
[00:23:34] else. I understand that a segment
[00:23:38] of society does not know this detail well:
[00:23:41] Ekrem İmamoğlu was acquitted twice. When the appellate
[00:23:45] court overturned the case upon the judge's request,
[00:23:49] meaning he had been acquitted. The appellate court overturned
[00:23:52] it because, why did it overturn it? Because the defendant's
[00:23:55] statement was not taken, meaning a formal statement would be taken.
[00:23:58] Ekrem İmamoğlu was going to give a statement. He was put
[00:24:02] in a prison vehicle from Silivri, and when he was halfway there,
[00:24:06] news suddenly came that the vehicle had broken down.
[00:24:09] Halfway, yes, they returned with the same vehicle,
[00:24:13] they returned. Look, they returned, and Ekrem İmamoğlu could not
[00:24:16] appear before the judge who had acquitted him twice.
[00:24:20] So what happened next? Then, as
[00:24:23] you say, with the summer decree, a judge was promoted
[00:24:26] in rank and made the head of the court.
[00:24:30] The judge who acquitted him twice was sent
[00:24:33] to Edirne, and a new judge
[00:24:37] arrived. Ekrem İmamoğlu, moreover, the hearing was
[00:24:41] moved to Silivri, not to that courthouse.
[00:24:44] That hearing was held there, and in the first session
[00:24:48] of the new judge, "in the first session,
[00:24:52] he faced a result of being sentenced to
[00:24:55] a prison sentence exceeding even the prosecutor's
[00:24:58] request. I keep asking myself, believe me,
[00:25:01] for the sake of my country, for the sake of law, for the sake
[00:25:05] of democracy, for days my mind
[00:25:08] has been constantly occupied with this hearing, with this case.
[00:25:12] I can't believe it. If a few legal
[00:25:15] professionals came out and explained this to us, how is this possible?
[00:25:19] He is acquitted twice, and then..." as he's about to give a statement,
[00:25:23] the vehicle breaks down, he's sent back,
[00:25:26] and another judge takes over in the meantime. That's how it
[00:25:30] turns out. I wanted to mention that too, because
[00:25:33] I consider it very important for my country's legal system,
[00:25:36] and these details were not in Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[00:25:40] statement. I wanted to say this. Thank you. Yes, Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[00:25:43] we expressed his statement and reaction
[00:25:47] on this issue. Now, of course, I want to ask
[00:25:51] this: Is this Imralı, the house/villa in Imralı,
[00:25:54] what kind of place is being built? Nagihan Alçın made a post
[00:25:58] about this. After meeting with MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli, she said
[00:26:01] the following: A house is being built
[00:26:03] for Abdullah Öcalan
[00:26:06] on Imralı Island. It is a place with a garden that offers humane living conditions and has the comfort
[00:26:09] of a home. She said that he would be able to live
[00:26:12] in the house in a way that is suitable for the normal flow of life, but she also stated
[00:26:16] that Öcalan has so far refused to move into this house. It's coming to our screen. I asked
[00:26:20] why, and she said, "Because he wants status." Afterward,
[00:26:23] Şamil Tayyar also gave some details about this house. He said, "The house that Mr. Devlet
[00:26:26] Bahçeli announced is a duplex villa." He used the expressions "It has a closed area
[00:26:30] of 250 square meters." A statement came from the Minister of Justice, who said
[00:26:34] that administrative buildings are being built, and those buildings are probably what is being referred to. He said
[00:26:38] that it is not a habitable place for the construction of a private house.
[00:26:42] How did you view these
[00:26:44] statements, these discussions? That is, is the government struggling to manage
[00:26:48] both its relationship with Öcalan and its relationship with the public,
[00:26:52] this dual relationship? And is the aim here to increase
[00:26:55] dialogue
[00:26:57] along with status?
[00:27:01] Well, honestly, the government's
[00:27:03] statements before the 2023 elections are not
[00:27:07] so far in the past. I don't even need to remind you again. About Öcalan,
[00:27:11] incredibly harsh expressions
[00:27:14] were being used.
[00:27:17] And they were even claiming that the Republican People's
[00:27:20] Party, if it came to power, would release Öcalan. You know
[00:27:24] videos were being published on this issue. But at the point
[00:27:27] we have reached today, Öcalan
[00:27:30] has been elevated to the role of a founder, or, in quotation marks, a savior,
[00:27:34] by government spokespersons and government circles again.
[00:27:38] For that reason, honestly, after this, for Öcalan,
[00:27:41] I think, not just administrative
[00:27:44] buildings and so on,
[00:27:46] really,
[00:27:50] Öcalan is being shown as the strongest part
[00:27:54] of this process, which I do not agree with and have always
[00:27:57] criticized. On the contrary, I wish
[00:28:00] it wasn't Öcalan but his party that was the main
[00:28:03] contractor and driver of the process, because then social
[00:28:06] support would have been more intense and stronger. Today, I think
[00:28:10] this process is about a party, Mr. Küçükşahin, this new party
[00:28:13] is being referred to as a new party on the party's side. Will this new party
[00:28:17] undertake the process? That is, will it be given
[00:28:21] official status, or will it manage the process de facto, even if it is not given official
[00:28:25] status on paper? For example,
[00:28:26] Öcalan.
[00:28:29] I mean, he is already handling it de facto, I can tell you that, but as far as I understand, Öcalan
[00:28:33] wants a legal framework here too. He is handling it de facto,
[00:28:37] I will repeat my previous words. From the beginning,
[00:28:40] he should have been the most effective element of this
[00:28:44] Turkey without terrorism process, that is,
[00:28:47] the most effective element on that side of the matter. But
[00:28:51] anyway, the People's Alliance preferred to put Öcalan
[00:28:54] forward. As a result, these developments took place.
[00:28:58] I mean, society naturally doesn't accept this, especially
[00:29:01] when for example,
[00:29:04] while the judicial process against the presidential candidate
[00:29:07] of this country, Ekrem İmamoğlu, including the case we just
[00:29:11] mentioned, is ongoing, and
[00:29:13] that in this country, the leader of that organization, after the biggest
[00:29:17] conflict where 45 lives were lost,
[00:29:20] like a civil war, is being
[00:29:24] put forward in this way today,
[00:29:27] I honestly don't
[00:29:29] think anyone accepts it.
[00:29:33] This includes AK Party and MHP voters
[00:29:37] and their base. That is, if there were
[00:29:41] at least a general decision covering
[00:29:44] all political cadres, circles, or all organizations
[00:29:47] of the country, a softening process, what would you call it?
[00:29:51] Or you know,
[00:29:55] 75,000, as you know, 75,000 files are being
[00:29:58] removed at that time. "I wish
[00:30:02] the same process had been applied to other cases, for example, those
[00:30:06] connected to the Republican People's Party, the new party, or other opposition
[00:30:09] parties. Perhaps then
[00:30:12] there would have been more public support, but in this
[00:30:16] state, I think public support, public
[00:30:19] acceptance is low, and still
[00:30:41] and immediately after that, he switched from the Bayrampaşa
[00:30:44] Republican People's Party to the AK Party. Hasan Mutlu wrote a post on his social media
[00:30:48] account on the 1st anniversary of his arrest. He said,
[00:30:52] "A year has passed, the day we will reach brighter tomorrows has come even closer."
[00:30:55] dedi.
[00:31:01] What we are waiting for is not only the day we will reach,
[00:31:04] but the day when truth will find its own voice when its time comes. These
[00:31:07] lines were shared from the pen of arrested Bayrampaşa Mayor Hasan Mutlu
[00:31:11] from Silivri Prison, saying "A year has passed." In this
[00:31:15] year, we learned a lot: who was with us, who was looking
[00:31:19] from afar, whose silence, and whose
[00:31:22] voice. But most of all, we learned this: sometimes a person
[00:31:25] says a lot by remaining silent, and time reminds everyone not of what they said,
[00:31:28] but of the truth itself, and it cannot be prevented
[00:31:31] for even a second. It will eventually pass. Bayrampaşa Mayor
[00:31:35] Hasan Mutlu was elected by the votes of the people. In the March 31
[00:31:39] local elections, he became mayor with
[00:31:42] 46.67%. He was arrested on September 16
[00:31:45] and removed from office. Bayrampaşa, which CHP won after years,
[00:31:48] went to AKP in the deputy mayor election.
[00:31:52] The indictment against Mutlu and 77 people was prepared 11 months
[00:31:55] later. A prison sentence of up to 8 to 18 years
[00:31:59] was requested for him. Hasan Mutlu, who has been in prison for a year,
[00:32:02] says, "Let those who pursue unjust gain know that
[00:32:05] position passes, applause ends. The wheel
[00:32:08] of fortune turns. Dark days come and go, but the will remains
[00:32:12] in the same place, waiting for its day," thus complaining about his arrest.
[00:32:15] "A year has passed, the day we will reach brighter tomorrows
[00:32:19] has come even closer."
[00:32:25] Former CHP Deputy Levent Gök shared
[00:32:28] for the first time the footage of the verdict hearing in 2014
[00:32:32] where Kenan Evren and Tahsin Şahin Kaya, who were tried for the September 12 coup,
[00:32:35] were sentenced to life imprisonment.
[00:32:37] paylaştı.
[00:32:41] As a result, it is understood that the defendants Ahmet Kenan
[00:32:45] and Ali Tahsin Şahinkaya, while serving as Chief of General Staff
[00:32:48] and Force Commander on the date of the incident,
[00:32:51] committed the crime of attempting to abolish the Constitution
[00:32:54] and the Grand National Assembly of Turkey and prevent them from performing their duties
[00:32:57] with the memorandum they gave to the then Prime Minister
[00:33:00] on 27/12/1979 and 2.1.1980.
[00:33:03] On September 12, 1980,
[00:33:07] the same defendants committed the crime
[00:33:11] of forcibly changing, altering, and abolishing
[00:33:15] the Constitution
[00:33:18] of the Republic, and forcibly overthrowing the parliament
[00:33:21] established by this decision and preventing it from performing its duties.
[00:33:25] Since it is understood that they committed this in unity of thought and action,
[00:33:28] it was decided
[00:33:31] that the defendants be sentenced to aggravated life imprisonment
[00:33:34] in accordance with Article 146/1 of the Turkish Penal Code No. 765,
[00:33:38] which is more favorable to them according to the crime date, that Article 80
[00:33:41] of the Turkish Penal Code not be applied,
[00:33:45] and that in accordance with Article 59 of the Turkish Penal Code,
[00:33:48] considering the defendants' behavior during the hearing,
[00:33:51] their sincere confessions, and the scope of the file, they be sentenced
[00:33:54] to life imprisonment and that Articles 31 and 33
[00:33:57] of the Turkish Penal Code and Article 30 of Law No. 1632
[00:34:00] be applied. It was decided
[00:34:03] that the measure against them be continued.
[00:34:06] You can appeal the decision within one week. The decision
[00:34:10] will also automatically go to the Supreme Court.
[00:34:14] President Erdoğan, on the other hand, emphasized September 12 in Samsun.
[00:34:17] He said that the coup chapter has been closed
[00:34:20] never to be opened
[00:34:22] again.
[00:34:25] The September 12 coup not only left deep
[00:34:28] wounds in the hearts of our nation,
[00:34:32] but also dealt heavy blows to Turkey's
[00:34:36] growth and development.
[00:34:39] Our country was condemned for many
[00:34:42] years to economic
[00:34:46] backwardness, poverty,
[00:34:49] and the arbitrary rule of guardians.
[00:34:52] At the root of many problems, especially
[00:34:55] terrorism, which still consumes our energy
[00:34:59] today, lies
[00:35:02] the September 12 coup.
[00:35:05] Our nation put a stop
[00:35:09] to this bad course on November 3,
[00:35:12] 2002, by saying,
[00:35:15] "Enough, the word and the decision belong
[00:35:19] to the nation." I want it to be known
[00:35:22] that in Turkey, the chapter
[00:35:25] of coups is
[00:35:27] now closed.
[00:35:31] This nation will not allow
[00:35:34] it to be opened again. We will never allow
[00:35:38] the will of the nation to be overshadowed.
[00:35:41] vermeyeceğiz.
[00:35:48] and diesel fuel reflected on the pump
[00:35:51] on Friday night, Saturday. On Friday night, gasoline had an increase of 3 lira 20 kuruş.
[00:35:54] We had pointed to today. As of tonight,
[00:35:58] an increase in diesel fuel is expected, between 6 lira 62 kuruş
[00:36:02] and 7.67. An increase is expected.
[00:36:06] In Istanbul, the liter price of diesel fuel is currently
[00:36:09] over 80 lira. We see it as 89 lira.
[00:36:13] If there is an increase of 6 lira 62 kuruş, the liter price of diesel fuel
[00:36:17] goes above 95 lira, becoming 95.03 kuruş.
[00:36:20] If there is an increase of 7 lira 67 kuruş, it becomes 96 lira 68 kuruş.
[00:36:24] In Ankara, if there is an increase of 7 lira, it goes
[00:36:28] above 97 lira. In Izmir, it goes above 98 lira. In Antalya,
[00:36:31] it goes above 99 lira. The liter price
[00:36:35] of diesel fuel, if there is an increase of 6 lira, is above 95 lira
[00:36:38] in Istanbul. In the capital, we see a price
[00:36:42] above 96 lira. In Izmir, 97 lira, and in Antalya,
[00:36:46] 98 lira 1 kuruş per liter
[00:36:49] price appears with the upcoming
[00:36:53] increase in diesel. Now we mentioned
[00:37:11] it slowly, slowly, the weather has started to cool down. In the early
[00:37:15] morning hours and in the evenings after work, we feel the need to grab
[00:37:18] a light jacket.
[00:37:21] So, has this seasonal change also affected the market?
[00:37:25] Are we seeing winter fruits and vegetables in the market?
[00:37:29] The fishing season started on September 1. What is the latest situation with fish?
[00:37:32] These are the last days for sauce tomatoes. Are there any sauce
[00:37:36] tomatoes left? What kind of
[00:37:48] We immediately went to a market. We are in the market in Zeytinburnu.
[00:37:52] Here, as you said, with the arrival of winter, preparations are also
[00:37:56] being made at home. Here,
[00:38:06] this is a stall with affordable prices at the market, because
[00:38:10] the tomatoes bought from here will be processed, boiled, and used for winter
[00:38:13] menemen sauce. Such preparations will be made. We see
[00:38:17] prices ranging from 15 lira to 30 lira, and 25 lira.
[00:38:20] Preparations for winter are being made according to budgets.
[00:38:24] Of course, as I said, there are different kinds of tomatoes, but especially
[00:38:27] for winter preparations, tomatoes have become
[00:38:30] the main raw material, I can say. The most density at the stalls
[00:38:34] is also with tomatoes. I will ask Mehmet Ali Şener, let's go
[00:38:38] to the vegetable and fruit stall. With the arrival of winter, some products are slowly
[00:38:42] becoming more expensive, and the prices of some products are falling. Now let's see,
[00:38:45] we have beans here. The price of beans is 60 lira
[00:38:48] per kilo at the stalls. Next to it are kidney beans. Kidney beans
[00:38:52] are one of the products being prepared. Its price is 90 lira per kilo, generally
[00:38:56] it hovers around this price. Next to it,
[00:38:59] its kilo is 100 lira. Next to it, its kidney beans are also
[00:39:03] sold for 100 lira. We did not see the expected decrease in peppers
[00:39:06] this season. They are still sold for 100 lira. As I said,
[00:39:10] pepper varieties are generally like this. Let's see, right next to it
[00:39:13] we have pink tomatoes, a must-have for breakfasts. Their kilo
[00:39:17] is sold for 60 lira. Next to it, we have cucumbers.
[00:39:20] The kilo of cucumbers is 40 lira. Spinach, again, with the arrival
[00:39:24] of winter, spinach has taken its place. Its kilo
[00:39:28] is sold for 50 lira at the stalls. Again, one of the most affordable
[00:39:31] stalls in the market is the greens stall.
[00:39:34] When we look, the cheapest starts from 20 lira. Those are already
[00:39:37] arugula, parsley, sorrel and similar products. The kilo
[00:39:41] of lettuce is
[00:39:54] we said winter has come. How do we know that winter has come?
[00:39:58] We know from tangerines. Their kilo is 50 lira
[00:40:01] at the stalls. Generally, our fruit prices
[00:40:05] are like this. Next to it, there are peaches for 50 lira. Then there are plums. The kilo
[00:40:09] of plums is sold for 25 lira. There are figs. Slowly,
[00:40:12] the fig season is also passing, and prices have started to drop.
[00:40:16] It was around 120 lira, now we can
[00:40:19] find it in markets for 75 lira. Bananas are generally
[00:40:22] at the same level, sold for 100 lira per kilo. We haven't seen
[00:40:26] much fluctuation in prices this season, especially.
[00:40:29] There are grapes. Grapes are also slowly about to finish, but
[00:40:33] if we look at the price, it is at 50 and 60 lira levels.
[00:40:37] We can say goodbye to summer. We couldn't find a much lower price
[00:40:41] in the markets we visited. Black grapes are 60
[00:40:44] lira. Right next to it here is the green one, which is
[00:40:48] 50 lira. You asked about fish, so let's go to a fish
[00:40:51] stall. On September 1, the fishermen said "Bismillah" and there is
[00:40:55] a significant increase in bonito.
[00:40:57] Let's go forward here. Look, we have anchovies here. The kilo
[00:41:01] of anchovies is sold for 120 lira. Next to it, there is whiting.
[00:41:04] The kilo of whiting is 350 lira. This
[00:41:07] is a good stall for fish lovers. Next to it, there is red mullet. Its
[00:41:11] kilo is also 350 lira. There is also Black Sea horse mackerel.
[00:41:15] Its kilo is 120 lira. Sea bass is
[00:41:18] 500 lira. Sea bream is 400 lira.
[00:41:21] If we say which one is affordable, let's show you.
[00:41:25] We got the expected yield from bonito this year.
[00:41:30] Will it generally drop, or will it stay here? It will stay here, it won't go lower
[00:41:34] than this. If it goes lower, the man will lose money, he won't catch it. So let our people eat bonito for free
[00:41:37] here.
[00:41:48] We can buy it for 100 lira. For fish lovers, bonito
[00:42:10] The district is talking about the missing 11-month-old baby Büşra.
[00:42:14] Look why.
[00:42:17] Mother Elif Balıkçı went to Divriği from Diyarbakır
[00:42:20] as a seasonal worker on September 10, and reported that she could
[00:42:23] not find her baby Büşra in the tent they were living in.
[00:42:26] Thereupon, AFAD and gendarmerie teams were dispatched
[00:42:30] to the region. A large-scale search was launched
[00:42:33] to find the baby. Six people,
[00:42:36] including the mother and the baby, were taken into custody.
[00:42:40] In her statement, she confessed that while Büşra
[00:42:43] was sleeping in the tent, a white car
[00:42:46] arrived, and two people got out of the car, entered the tent, took the child,
[00:42:49] and left. She said that her daughter Büşra
[00:42:53] was actually given to these people for money by her father.
[00:42:57] She also stated that three people in the region witnessed this situation
[00:43:01] and that the claim of disappearance was entirely
[00:43:04] a fabrication. Six suspects,
[00:43:08] including the mother and father, are in custody. The teams
[00:43:12] are continuing their efforts to find the baby.
[00:43:14] The suspects are expected to be referred to the courthouse
[00:43:18] today. Six people,
[00:43:21] including the mother and father, are in custody.
[00:43:25] They said our child is missing, they reported it. Afterwards,
[00:43:29] the mother confessed in her statement that
[00:43:33] her father gave the child to others for money.
[00:43:36] We are asking where baby Büşra is, and regarding
[00:43:39] this matter, the Ministry of Family immediately made
[00:43:42] a statement. The Ministry of Family and Social Services
[00:43:46] shared a press statement regarding the news about
[00:43:49] the missing 11-month-old baby in Divriği district of Sivas.
[00:43:53] It said that with the incident being reported to the district gendarmerie
[00:43:57] command, our provincial directorate teams
[00:44:00] started to follow the process closely. Search efforts
[00:44:03] to find the baby are ongoing. Upon the instruction of the Chief
[00:44:07] Public Prosecutor's Office, there have been
[00:44:11] arrests related to the incident. The investigation is being
[00:44:14] carried out meticulously, and the family's other four children
[00:44:17] have been taken under state protection by our Ministry. Social service
[00:44:21] models suitable for the children's needs are being planned. Efforts
[00:44:24] to find the 11-month-old baby, and the legal process
[00:44:27] are being followed, says the Ministry of Family. The family
[00:44:30] has four more children. Those children are under the protection
[00:44:33] of the state, under the protection of the Ministry of Family,
[00:44:36] and efforts are underway
[00:44:46] crashed into the barriers at the toll booths and caught
[00:45:00] its Diyarbakır-Istanbul route. Due to the rain,
[00:45:03] it skidded and crashed into the barriers
[00:45:06] at the ışıklar toll booths. The bus immediately
[00:45:10] caught fire, and the flames quickly engulfed the entire vehicle.
[00:45:14] Upon notification, health, police, gendarmerie, and
[00:45:17] fire teams were dispatched to the scene. Two people lost their lives
[00:45:21] in this accident, and eight people were injured, one seriously. The injured
[00:45:24] were transported to the hospital by ambulances. In the fire extinguished
[00:45:28] by the fire teams, the bus became unusable.
[00:45:31] The moment of the accident was
[00:45:34] captured by a security camera second by second,
[00:45:38] just like this. The bus, look,
[00:45:40] is coming and... "Due to the slippery
[00:45:44] road, the driver suddenly loses control of the steering wheel and hits the barriers.
[00:45:47] The bus
[00:45:50] goes up in flames. Two people lost their lives,
[00:45:53] one seriously, and 8 people were injured. Those moments
[00:45:57] were captured by the security
[00:45:59] camera like this.
[00:46:08] The images recorded in Çanakkale, Muğla, and
[00:46:11] Tekirdağ caused concern. Mass fish deaths occurred
[00:46:15] in three cities. Teams from the Provincial Directorate
[00:46:19] of Agriculture and Forestry, who worked in the regions, took samples and immediately
[00:46:22] started an investigation.
[00:46:26] The images caused concern. Mass fish deaths occurred
[00:46:30] in Çanakkale, Muğla, and Tekirdağ. An investigation
[00:46:32] has been launched. The images are from
[00:46:35] Ayvacık, Çanakkale. Fish deaths occurred in the Ayvacık Dam
[00:46:39] for an unknown reason. Upon notification, teams from
[00:46:43] the District Directorate of Agriculture and Forestry went to the region, conducted an investigation,
[00:46:47] and took samples from the dam water
[00:46:48] and dead fish.
[00:46:51] Field investigation. It was determined that the fish
[00:46:54] deaths were not concentrated at a single point, but occurred
[00:46:58] in more than one area of the dam lake. Thousands of large fish
[00:47:01] washed up on the dam
[00:47:02] shore.
[00:47:09] These images are from Muğla. It was reported that dead fish
[00:47:12] washed up on the shore of Milas Bozbük İncekum Beach. Muğla Provincial Directorate
[00:47:16] of Agriculture and Forestry teams conducted an investigation in the area.
[00:47:20] During the control, it was determined that a large number
[00:47:23] of sprats had washed ashore. Samples were taken from the fish
[00:47:26] and seawater.
[00:47:31] The address of these images is Tekirdağ. An investigation
[00:47:34] was conducted in Saray upon reports of fish deaths in Çayla stream.
[00:47:37] It was evaluated that the decrease in oxygen levels
[00:47:40] in the water might have caused the fish deaths. Investigations
[00:47:44] are ongoing.
[00:48:50] by Israeli filmmakers Yuval Abraham and Rachel
[00:48:54] Zoron won the Special Jury Award. The film was shot
[00:48:57] in secret conditions in Tel Aviv for 3 years.
[00:49:00] 24 Israeli sources, including soldiers
[00:49:04] and intelligence officers, recount military strategies
[00:49:07] applied in Gaza and their testimonies regarding the killing
[00:49:22] their country by saying, "It is really very important
[00:49:25] for Israelis to watch this
[00:59:07] Trabzon, Gümüşhane, Bayburt.
[00:59:10] We had a busy
[00:59:12] work schedule both in city centers and in rural areas and plateaus.
[00:59:16] We closely engaged with different segments of society.
[00:59:20] At the same time, we inaugurated the ready provincial
[00:59:23] presidencies of the new party, the Bayburt provincial presidency.
[00:59:27] We visited the Gümüşhane provincial presidency. We also had the opportunity to examine
[00:59:30] the very good work done by our Trabzon Mayor,
[00:59:34] our Ortahisar Mayor, on site. Hm hm. Well, in Bayburt,
[00:59:37] you traveled Bayburt inch by inch.
[00:59:40] What was the altitude? Where were you?
[00:59:44] What kind of impression did you get on the field? First of all,
[00:59:48] the citizens had a great interest in the new party
[00:59:51] and its deputies, because currently, citizens
[00:59:54] have lost hope in existing political parties for solving their problems
[00:59:58] and are looking for something new. In this sense, the new party
[01:00:02] has truly become a hope, and we saw this hope
[01:00:05] while touring the city center of Bayburt. But we didn't just go to city centers,
[01:00:09] we also went to areas where no one could reach,
[01:00:12] to areas where producers really were, and we met
[01:00:15] with the Shavaks, who raise sheep,
[01:00:19] at an altitude of 2,300 meters. We met with the Shavaks, who produce cheese
[01:00:22] by raising livestock. Therefore, the new party is not
[01:00:26] just calling citizens to itself, not just saying "come and join us,"
[01:00:30] but also going to them, listening to their problems,
[01:00:33] and therefore developing solutions and bringing them to the agenda in Turkey.
[01:00:36] We are not just in Bayburt, by the way, our deputies
[01:00:39] have spread to all provinces of Turkey. We have 91 deputies.
[01:00:43] Some have gone to Konya, and next week I will go to Diyarbakır. Therefore, all provinces
[01:00:56] is actually looking for a new one, what kind of new one is the producer citizen looking for?
[01:00:59] Now, what is meant by novelty?
[01:01:03] First of all, let's talk about production,
[01:01:06] especially in the existing system. Most of the geographies
[01:01:09] we visited are people who focus on agricultural production,
[01:01:13] who deal with agriculture, cereals,
[01:01:16] fruits, vegetables, and livestock. Here,
[01:01:19] the point we should perhaps focus on the most regarding the new is
[01:01:23] the problems experienced in the livestock
[01:01:26] part of agriculture in Turkey.
[01:01:29] Already, most of the production data
[01:01:32] clearly shows us the contraction here,
[01:01:36] the decrease in the number of farmers working in this sector,
[01:01:40] and the decrease in total production. This is exactly
[01:01:43] the point where, when we were touring
[01:01:46] the cities, they said, "You know that
[01:01:50] in most of our villages here, all our citizens who are watching us
[01:01:54] know that there are people who have migrated from Anatolia,
[01:01:58] from many geographies, to big cities. There are no more
[01:02:01] sheep flocks in the villages of Anatolia. There are tens of thousands
[01:02:04] of villages where there is not a single sheep flock.
[01:02:08] So when we ask how this production
[01:02:11] is maintained, the Shavaks,
[01:02:14] who are specific to the Dersim region and whose origins
[01:02:18] are Pertek and Çemişgezek, but from there, they have spread
[01:02:21] to Elazığ, Erzincan, and now
[01:02:24] to all the plateaus of Tokat, Giresun,
[01:02:27] Gümüşhane, Bayburt, Erzurum. There are families
[01:02:30] working in a very wide production
[01:02:33] band. And as they spread from top to bottom,
[01:02:36] and as production in the villages ceased, and as the villagers
[01:02:39] of Anatolia withdrew from sheep breeding
[01:02:42] and sheep and milk production, the Shavaks came to the empty
[01:02:46] plateaus. At first, they came temporarily,
[01:02:50] renting these places from special provincial
[01:02:53] administrations and producing. But now we see
[01:02:56] that the villagers we visited
[01:03:00] in Bayburt have now become
[01:03:03] a part of that village. They have bought land,
[01:03:07] bought houses, and become part of the village population. Thus,
[01:03:10] production is not in the village center, but at an altitude
[01:03:14] of 2300-2400 meters. In the place we went,
[01:03:17] there were 6,500 sheep belonging to 3 families, and all of them were producing Tulum cheese,
[01:03:20] Tulum cheese. So, from here, Mustafa, do we call it Bayburt Tulum
[01:03:24] or what do we call it? It is known as Erzincan Tulum cheese,
[01:03:27] but yes. Is Erzincan Tulum cheese
[01:03:30] produced in Bayburt? In Bayburt,
[01:03:33] Erzurum, Giresun, that is, wherever there is a plateau,
[01:03:37] as we said, because the villagers of that settled area
[01:03:41] have withdrawn from production, we will explain the reasons for that later.
[01:03:44] These plateaus are just behind Erzincan. This is Bayburt.
[01:03:47] This is exactly 2300-2400 meters high. The village below is the village where I was born.
[01:03:51] Oh really? Very close, yes. For example, in my childhood,
[01:03:55] in the 1970s, there were 15,000
[01:03:58] sheep flocks in this village, but now there are only 400 sheep in the village.
[01:04:02] So, when we ask what will be done with these large areas,
[01:04:06] the Shavaks come and continue production. There is one right thing here
[01:04:09] that we should also support: people continue
[01:04:12] family-type production. There is a 70-year-old grandfather,
[01:04:15] a 35-year-old son, daughters-in-law, a grandmother,
[01:04:19] but also 3-year-old, 7-year-old grandchildren.
[01:04:22] That is, all of them are in this production
[01:04:26] band. But what is missing here is the state. These people
[01:04:30] are still producing in the conditions of 50 or 100 years ago.
[01:04:33] But the state is not really aware
[01:04:36] of these citizens who produce millions of liras,
[01:04:39] tons of cheese. Why is it not aware?
[01:04:43] We reached here by a very bad road.
[01:04:46] There is a very bad road, no electricity,
[01:04:50] no infrastructure services, no water,
[01:04:54] nothing. They are trying to solve everything themselves
[01:04:57] and they are producing under these difficult conditions.
[01:05:01] This is exactly what needs to be supported.
[01:05:04] In addition to the documents we will mention regarding
[01:05:08] reducing input costs in agricultural production, these areas also
[01:05:11] need to be supported by the state. If you ask what we did not see here,
[01:05:15] we did not see the state. If you ask what we saw,
[01:05:18] we saw hard work here. We saw waking up at dawn
[01:05:22] and working until midnight. We saw women, children,
[01:05:25] elderly, young people, everyone
[01:05:28] making an effort to ensure one unit of production.
[01:05:32] I think that was valuable. Yes, it's very valuable.
[01:05:35] Özgür Karabat, I would also like to ask this: Gökhan Zeybek said that
[01:05:39] we also saw the younger generation in the production line. Isn't it good to have the younger generation
[01:05:43] there? Because generally, in families,
[01:05:46] the older population continues, but the younger generation
[01:05:49] goes to city centers and no longer prefers to be in that production line.
[01:05:53] They are moving away from production. Yes, there were young people here,
[01:05:57] that's true, but this family has achieved this, but essentially
[01:06:00] it should be a planned thing. That is, as Gökhan Bey said,
[01:06:04] the state should be planning something. Why aren't young people staying there?
[01:06:07] One says, "I can't access the internet, there's no social life,
[01:06:11] no various opportunities, no roads," as he said.
[01:06:14] Therefore, one of Turkey's advantageous sectors is actually
[01:06:18] farming and livestock breeding, and these are areas that
[01:06:21] do not require much capital, that we can rapidly grow
[01:06:24] without being capital-intensive. But unfortunately, the state
[01:06:28] has not made a plan for this. Look, Turkey is a country
[01:06:31] with great product diversity, an advantageous country
[01:06:34] in terms of climate. Is there land? Yes.
[01:06:38] Is there production capacity? Yes. But what is missing?
[01:06:42] There is unplanned migration to cities, and the inability to support
[01:06:45] agricultural production and animal husbandry there,
[01:06:49] and to ensure the well-being of the people there with farming and animal husbandry.
[01:06:53] When this is the case, the state needs to intervene
[01:06:56] and find various solutions.
[01:07:00] Look, there is an interesting thing about the AKP government
[01:07:03] until today: we say there is land, but we observe
[01:07:07] that the cultivated areas are decreasing in hectares.
[01:07:11] Cultivated areas, agricultural lands have decreased.
[01:07:14] This year, we met a farmer with Gökhan Bey in the city center.
[01:07:18] The farmer says, "I don't plan to sow next year."
[01:07:20] Look, he says, "I don't plan to sow next year." Why?
[01:07:24] Because for the farmer, input costs, fertilizer
[01:07:27] is increasing, diesel is increasing,
[01:07:31] electricity is increasing, pesticide prices are increasing,
[01:07:34] labor is increasing, feed is increasing, loan
[01:07:38] interest is increasing. Only one thing is not increasing: the price of his product.
[01:07:41] Look, I actually presented a very strange
[01:07:51] table to you. The agricultural producer price index.
[01:07:55] Our friends see that the agricultural producer price index
[01:07:58] has increased by 9.55. Look, the producer price
[01:08:01] index in agriculture is 9.55. So, this is how much the farmer can earn
[01:08:05] from the products produced in agriculture. So, how much do the inputs increase?
[01:08:09] I mentioned it earlier. Fertilizer increases by 50%.
[01:08:12] This is not sustainable. So, is this unsustainable
[01:08:16] situation for the farmer a need for the country? Yes, it is a need.
[01:08:20] Then the state must find a solution here.
[01:08:23] It is not right to just look at this table as a graph.
[01:08:27] The citizen says, "I will not sow again." What will happen if he doesn't sow?
[01:08:30] Turkey will start buying more wheat,
[01:08:33] importing it. That is,
[01:08:36] there is an interesting thing in Turkey. There is a serious problem in animal husbandry.
[01:08:40] We are trying to find a solution through imports.
[01:08:44] Cereal production has decreased by 19% compared to last year.
[01:08:48] What the farmer says is true, Gökhan Bey. Fruit production has decreased by 30%.
[01:08:51] Peaches, apples, even apples have decreased by 48%.
[01:08:55] Let's show the second graph, yes. Look,
[01:08:59] our friends are showing that fruit has decreased by 30%, apples
[01:09:02] by 48%, cherries by 70%, grapes by 27%, hazelnuts
[01:09:05] by 38%. Turkey is one of the leading
[01:09:09] countries in the world. Pistachios have decreased by 61%.
[01:09:12] Why am I saying this? Without reducing
[01:09:16] input costs, and without reducing
[01:09:19] our feed costs, and without increasing
[01:09:23] our own production in Turkey, for example, there is a tremendous
[01:09:26] increase in soybean imports. What does this mean?
[01:09:30] It means feed prices will also increase. If we don't produce
[01:09:33] soybeans ourselves, feed costs will increase.
[01:09:37] Feed input costs in milk will exceed approximately 61%,
[01:09:41] reaching 71%. Then,
[01:09:44] the Shavak will not be able to earn. The Shavak producer said that
[01:09:48] the price of the cheese he produces here is 5 times higher in the market.
[01:09:51] The milk he produces and sells is 5 times higher.
[01:09:55] Well, let's continue. We asked,
[01:09:58] "When you sell lamb meat here, what is the average
[01:10:01] cost per kilo at the butcher?" 5 times, 6 times.
[01:10:05] Now, he said he sold a live lamb for 300 liras.
[01:10:08] If you clean it as meat, it comes to 500 liras.
[01:10:12] That is, the cost of a lamb to the villager there is 500 liras,
[01:10:15] but in big cities, people buy lamb meat
[01:10:19] for between 1500 and 2000, at least 1500.
[01:10:23] It varies according to the district and butcher. If you turn it into a chop,
[01:10:26] it will go up to 2500-3000 liras. So, here, not only
[01:10:30] does the producer have no chance, but let me add this
[01:10:34] about our visit with Özgür Bey. Last year there was frost,
[01:10:37] and the farmer suffered losses from the frost. This year, there was abundant rainfall.
[01:10:41] Snowfall was good, rain was good. The yield was high.
[01:10:45] So, when the yield was high, the villager produced a little more.
[01:10:47] So, when you produce more, will you earn more?
[01:10:51] No, with last year's price, there is 40% inflation.
[01:10:54] at the same price as last year.
[01:10:58] That is, while input costs are increasing, we see that the selling price of the product
[01:11:02] is not changing. That is, when the farmer produces more,
[01:11:06] the merchant says, "There's a lot of product, I'll buy it at last year's price."
[01:11:09] So, even if the villager's production decreases, he loses money.
[01:11:13] Even if production increases, even if the yield is abundant, he loses money.
[01:11:16] He loses money in every way. That is, when the yield was high,
[01:11:20] he thought he would cover last year's debts, but he still couldn't.
[01:11:23] This year's debt also came. The picture we see is this:
[01:11:26] the Soil Products Office has still not started buying.
[01:11:29] It has put them in line, but since people don't have the chance
[01:11:33] to wait for months to give their product to the Soil Products Office,
[01:11:37] and they don't have the chance to store them in silos,
[01:11:40] they are at the mercy of the merchant who will come to their field
[01:11:44] and pay cash on that day. That's why, as Karabat
[01:11:47] said earlier, the villager says, "I won't sow."
[01:11:51] The chickpea farmer says, "I won't sow." The sunflower farmer says, "I won't sow."
[01:11:55] The wheat and barley farmer says, "I won't sow."
[01:11:58] Here, another important problem is this:
[01:12:02] in rural life, those who do agricultural production
[01:12:05] should also do animal husbandry. That is, they should make their product
[01:12:09] an input for animal husbandry. But now, there are only
[01:12:13] those who deal with agriculture, with cereals, and there are those who do animal husbandry.
[01:12:17] The connection between the two has been broken. It has been divided into two.
[01:12:20] It has been divided into two. Perhaps because
[01:12:24] it was not managed well, and because these costs constantly
[01:12:28] resulted in financial losses for people,
[01:12:31] they abandoned one of the two. Most of the people living in the village
[01:12:35] also cultivate their fields, whatever comes out,
[01:12:38] and they cover their losses with borrowed money from their children,
[01:12:42] relatives living in Istanbul or other cities.
[01:12:46] That is, to put it another way,
[01:12:49] I want to state that we have encountered many villagers who produce
[01:12:52] just for the sake of it. Yes, low
[01:12:56] purchase costs do not meet the producer's expectations in a way, exactly.
[01:13:00] I'll say something. Now, the farmer is worried about this. He says, "I won't give up cultivating my field," because he sees it
[01:13:04] as something sacred. Well, we used to say
[01:13:07] in local product campaigns, "Local product, Turkish product,
[01:13:10] everyone should use it, we are a self-sufficient country."
[01:13:13] Why doesn't the government care about this issue that farmers are so worried about?
[01:13:17] We used to say we are an agricultural country. Why doesn't it care?
[01:13:21] I think there is a strategic surrender here, a conscious surrender.
[01:13:25] Look, I just said that soybeans are actually
[01:13:28] a fundamental issue in agriculture and animal husbandry as an input cost for feed.
[01:13:31] In animal husbandry, we produce 138,000 tons of soybeans.
[01:13:34] We import 3,253,000
[01:13:38] tons. In a product that we can produce ourselves,
[01:13:42] we are only meeting 4% of our needs.
[01:13:44] When this is the case, how can
[01:13:47] the farmer prosper, or
[01:13:51] how can costs decrease? We need to think about this.
[01:13:55] That's why I'm saying, don't they know
[01:13:58] what we see as simple? Of course they do.
[01:14:01] I approach this as a strategic surrender. Don't give up on farmers,
[01:14:04] don't give up on textiles. That is why we need to think
[01:14:08] about this carefully, because another structure is emerging here:
[01:14:11] importers, monopolistic structures, structures growing close to the government,
[01:14:15] and the Ministry of Agriculture supporting them,
[01:14:18] giving them incentives. Look, there is such a sacred
[01:14:22] situation that there is a 3-year-old child among the Shavaks.
[01:14:25] Perhaps at an altitude of 2003, I don't know, but there is a child around 3 years old,
[01:14:29] bringing the sheep to be milked to the pen with a stick.
[01:14:32] The 3-year-old child is in production. Were there pictures of those
[01:14:36] three children? Let me ask my friends from Damla to edit
[01:14:39] it. Kadir's effort is so sacred.
[01:14:43] Look, that child bringing the sheep to his mother to be milked
[01:14:46] is 3 years old. The farmer is ashamed.
[01:14:50] The 3-year-old child knows this place is sacred, works,
[01:14:54] but we, as authorized by the state, as authorized by the government,
[01:14:57] are not finding a solution for this area.
[01:15:00] I think if Turkey is to develop, it will develop fastest
[01:15:03] in agriculture and animal husbandry and
[01:15:06] pastures. There are so many empty pastures.
[01:15:10] Look, these friends come from Elazığ, they find emptiness all the way to Erzincan,
[01:15:14] right? This means that
[01:15:17] no one is engaged in animal husbandry in Bayburt anymore. They have come to the plateaus of Giresun,
[01:15:21] then they will go to the plateaus of Tokat. So, is there a plan here? No.
[01:15:25] Is there pasture improvement here? No. I'm not just talking about fertile pastures
[01:15:28] when I say pasture improvement. Are there roads? No.
[01:15:32] Are there channels created for the rapid transfer
[01:15:35] of meat and milk to consumption?
[01:15:38] Unfortunately, no. Therefore, we need to think
[01:15:42] about this quickly. I'm talking about a truly sacred area.
[01:15:45] If we are self-sufficient in agriculture, we can achieve rapid growth
[01:15:48] in other areas as well. This is also an area that can grow
[01:15:52] without being capital-intensive. So, what did you say is missing?
[01:15:55] You said the state is missing. You talked about state planning.
[01:15:58] Why is there no state planning? Look,
[01:16:02] these people belonging to the Shavak tribe,
[01:16:04] we said there was a significant spread in the region.
[01:16:08] in agricultural production, in animal husbandry, in sheep breeding, if the villagers
[01:16:12] have withdrawn, they enter that area, and
[01:16:16] they are here, the scene we see
[01:16:19] is that the state needs to issue a special law for this area,
[01:16:23] that is, if it's an incentive, it's a direct production.
[01:16:25] They are doing it, look, what are their expenses,
[01:16:28] they graze in the pasture, they have no special expenses, no electricity,
[01:16:32] no water expenses, no fuel expenses, yes,
[01:16:36] with this stick in his hand, that is, his height
[01:16:39] is not even as much as the sheep, that is, he is not 1 meter tall, but
[01:16:43] he has learned to bring
[01:16:46] them one by one to his mother, his mother
[01:16:50] and father milk together, which is also interesting, that is, before
[01:16:53] women used to milk milk, but
[01:16:57] now, women and men milk together, because
[01:17:00] when these input costs
[01:17:03] and other costs are balanced with sales,
[01:17:06] everyone needs to work not to lose money,
[01:17:10] regarding Shavaks, regarding nomads,
[01:17:13] regarding animal husbandry, especially sheep breeding, the state
[01:17:17] must take a measure, and special incentives must be created for this place,
[01:17:21] look, in Anatolia, throughout history, there is
[01:17:25] a famous saying about breeding, what
[01:17:29] did they say, wheat and sheep, the rest is play, you will produce
[01:17:32] wheat in the field, you will raise sheep, and you will meet
[01:17:35] your livelihood in all these pastures with the
[01:17:38] nutrients derived from these two products, so it was extremely
[01:17:42] important, now it appeared in the tables,
[01:17:45] but it's worth elaborating a bit more, in Turkey,
[01:17:49] live animal imports increased from 310 million dollars to
[01:17:53] 1 billion 250 million dollars in 4 years,
[01:17:56] that is, by importing live animals, they try to meet
[01:18:00] the meat shortage, but due to the inadequacy of these
[01:18:04] imports, and due to the decrease in production,
[01:18:07] people in large cities, what do we say now, the retired
[01:18:10] salary is 23,500 liras, how much is a kilo of meat, 1500 liras,
[01:18:14] how will it be, will people get a month's salary
[01:18:17] for 15 kilos of meat? So why aren't we
[01:18:20] increasing production? When governments
[01:18:24] are stuck due to wrong policies,
[01:18:27] they say let's import. These imports happen like this in Turkey, we also
[01:18:31] researched and saw that. Meanwhile, imports are made,
[01:18:34] a solution is sought in imports, but for years,
[01:18:38] even if imports increase exponentially, it's not a solution,
[01:18:41] is it not seen that it's not a solution? When these imports will open
[01:18:44] and with what quotas, it's told to some people beforehand,
[01:18:48] these people go and make connections abroad, and after
[01:18:51] imported products arrive in Turkey, it's suddenly
[01:18:55] said that imports have stopped, and you know that
[01:18:58] this is mostly through the Eastern Bloc countries
[01:19:01] like Hungary, Poland, through that geography,
[01:19:05] it's widespread among members of the ruling party.
[01:19:08] through some politicians, widespread imports were made,
[01:19:11] and we see that imports worth hundreds of millions of dollars
[01:19:15] came in a single item, and very serious profits are made from this,
[01:19:19] that is, we, the consumers, pay very high
[01:19:22] prices, and since this is not reflected to the producer,
[01:19:25] people in a small chain make huge profits,
[01:19:28] so production shrinks,
[01:19:32] production decreases, the number of families in production
[01:19:35] decreases, a similar situation exists in the agricultural sector.
[01:19:39] a decrease of approximately 10%
[01:19:42] in the total cultivable area in hectares, that is, we see
[01:19:46] a contraction of more than 10% in 10 years, there is an increase
[01:19:49] in yield, there is technological development, there is progress
[01:19:53] especially in seed production, but as a result,
[01:19:56] we see that this progress does not benefit the villager,
[01:20:00] the number of villagers in the total population
[01:20:03] decreases every year, let me tell you something very interesting, we
[01:20:07] went up to this pasture, this is Kitre village of Bayburt,
[01:20:11] when I was studying in this village in the 1970s,
[01:20:14] there were 136 students in primary school from
[01:20:17] first to fifth grade, now the village headman said there are no children in the village
[01:20:21] between 0 and 20 years old, no one left between 0-20
[01:20:25] years old, this is another problem, that is,
[01:20:29] the villager is disconnected from production, yes, young families are turning
[01:20:33] into security guards, apartment caretakers, factory
[01:20:36] workers, or public sector workers by going to big cities. As a result,
[01:20:40] the total age limit in agricultural production
[01:20:43] has reached 56-57, that is, unfortunately,
[01:20:46] we do not see anyone in the villages
[01:20:50] in production in their 20s, 30s, or 40s. Meanwhile, there is an image
[01:20:54] from your impressions, let's watch it together and then continue, let it be on the screens.
[01:21:09] One or two days later, we will milk every two days,
[01:21:12] then we will milk for one or two days like that,
[01:21:16] and then we will stop milking altogether, that is, we will quit.
[01:21:19] So, we are at an altitude
[01:21:23] of almost 2500 meters, yes,
[01:21:25] when will the cold become more effective here
[01:21:29] and snow start to fall? The cold has already started
[01:21:33] to show itself anyway.
[01:21:36] In about 15-20 days, the weather here gets
[01:21:40] very cold, that is, it's a very different kind of cold
[01:21:44] here. So,
[01:21:47] the possibility of staying here
[01:21:50] decreases, so we need to go down.
[01:21:54] That is, we can stay here
[01:21:56] until the first of November at most,
[01:22:00] it snows here in November anyway. You did the
[01:22:03] ram breeding, yes,
[01:22:07] on average, do sheep give one
[01:22:10] lamb, or what is the yield number? Our sheep
[01:22:13] give birth once a year, normally
[01:22:16] twice, but generally once
[01:22:19] a year. After
[01:22:23] that, they milk for 3-4 months. Don't be afraid, brother.
[01:22:25] We milk for 3-4 months.
[01:22:39] did you bring from the pasture? 800.
[01:22:42] 800. Yes.
[01:22:45] Do you encounter any health-related issues
[01:22:49] in daily life for them? Of course, there are sick ones.
[01:22:52] Do you see any wolves? I haven't seen any
[01:22:56] this year, I haven't come across any. There are no wolves this year.
[01:22:59] I haven't come across any, but
[01:23:02] they are around. An hour ago, there was a
[01:23:06] large flock of eagles very high up here,
[01:23:09] it happens. Do eagles follow you?
[01:23:12] Sometimes it happens. Eagles usually follow wolves, they follow
[01:23:16] wolves, of course, because when a wolf takes a sheep,
[01:23:20] they also gather around to get a share.
[01:23:24] Yes. For example, the sheep
[01:23:26] came,
[01:23:29] what will we do? It goes back to grazing.
[01:23:32] How many shepherd dogs are with
[01:23:36] you now? I have 6 dogs.
[01:23:39] No Kangal, not Kangal, mixed breed,
[01:23:42] mixed breed dogs, Kangal mix,
[01:23:45] we need a dog that will go with the herd,
[01:23:48] that is, it will know the wolf,
[01:23:51] it will know the sheep, you did the ram breeding,
[01:23:55] yes, we did the ram breeding, how is it
[01:23:57] here,
[01:24:00] after ram breeding, milk yield decreases rapidly, of course
[01:24:03] it decreases, it is withdrawn as long as
[01:24:06] it comes to the ram, the pregnancy period begins,
[01:24:10] then for 5 months,
[01:24:22] I saw such a large flock of eagles for the first time in my life,
[01:24:26] usually we see one or two, but we saw a lot of eagles
[01:24:30] flying over us in the pasture, they say eagles fly high,
[01:24:33] when you really reach the top of the mountains, I also made
[01:24:37] a joke, Özgür Bey, I said, you are a Beşiktaş fan,
[01:24:39] eagles, but we saw at least 50 eagles
[01:25:05] that I saw this citizen who is speaking, he is a producer,
[01:25:09] he is really doing great things in his own way, I think he is a great
[01:25:12] hero, and he doesn't receive any support
[01:25:16] from any import lobby, he doesn't receive any support from any financial
[01:25:20] institution, he does great things with his own efforts. Now,
[01:25:23] this is a great richness for our country. We must realize
[01:25:27] this and make it more stable, stronger,
[01:25:30] more planned, and larger. Now, for example,
[01:25:34] if 100 sheep from our friend's herd are killed by wolves, which happened
[01:25:37] a day, a year ago, around 200.
[01:25:40] How will our friend fix his situation?
[01:25:43] It's a huge loss. How will it be fixed? Now,
[01:25:47] or if we come to the farmer, even if there is a barrel,
[01:25:50] if there is a wolf, if there is a drought. What will happen? Does Turkey
[01:25:54] have an institutional structure for this? Therefore, there is a need
[01:25:56] for a comprehensive institutional regulation in this area.
[01:26:00] First of all, planned production must be at the center of the solution.
[01:26:03] Second, there must be an income guarantee and protection
[01:26:07] insurance in every way. Third, there must be strong public
[01:26:11] institutions behind this. Look, when I was talking to these
[01:26:14] farmers, I didn't hear that a veterinarian would come, for example,
[01:26:18] or when we went to any villager, I didn't hear that there was an agricultural
[01:26:22] engineer in our village who dealt with agricultural affairs and guided
[01:26:25] us. Therefore, there is a need for strong public institutions for this.
[01:26:29] You said insurance, did they have insurance? As far as I saw,
[01:26:32] no, that is, when the wolf suffocated two or three sheep
[01:26:36] and left them, no, I contacted state
[01:26:40] institutions, we tried hard, but unfortunately,
[01:26:43] the villagers' losses could not be compensated,
[01:26:46] that is, those animals killed by wolves could perhaps
[01:26:49] be utilized in shelters, but that's not available either,
[01:26:53] that production chain just buries them
[01:26:56] in the ground. Then, in winter, bears come, dig
[01:26:59] them up, smell them, and then bears or other wild
[01:27:03] animals eat them, that is, the dead animals that suffered damage,
[01:27:06] people say they are tainted and cannot be given, but
[01:27:10] is there a chance to utilize them in other areas,
[01:27:14] from their skin, from their other parts? Can they be processed
[01:27:17] and used in shelters? That production line is also
[01:27:21] not available, so if you ask
[01:27:24] who directly bears the damage, it's 100% written
[01:27:35] to banks have increased significantly
[01:27:38] in the last 4 years, especially the debts to public
[01:27:42] banks have increased by 4.5 to 5 times,
[01:27:46] and in some places
[01:27:50] we visited in Anatolia, we are aware of this,
[01:27:53] let me tell you without interrupting you, the farmers'
[01:27:57] debts to banks which were 6 billion
[01:28:00] 475 million liras in 2006, have exceeded
[01:28:04] 1.5 trillion this year, yes, that is, we go to our village,
[01:28:07] and although a large part of the lands seem to belong to the villager, in reality,
[01:28:11] especially one private bank and some state
[01:28:15] banks have seized a large portion of the properties
[01:28:18] in exchange for mortgages, and since the villager has no
[01:28:22] chance to repay these debts, as stated by
[01:28:25] Mr. Özgür Özel, our general chairman, let us reiterate
[01:28:29] here that when we come to power, we will completely
[01:28:32] wipe out the villagers' debts to banks and their interest,
[01:28:35] because there is no chance to repay them, that is,
[01:28:39] when we say we will wipe out the interest, we
[01:28:42] will ensure that the lands belong to the villager again.
[01:28:45] When the interest burden on these properties,
[01:28:48] which are registered in their name but mortgaged
[01:28:52] to banks, is removed, and the remaining
[01:28:55] principal debt is paid in installments
[01:28:58] with fixed prices over a long term,
[01:29:01] then perhaps the villager can increase their production power again,
[01:29:05] yes, by the way, when Özgür Özel went to Kars
[01:29:08] and Ardahan and met with women, he also talked about
[01:29:11] a retirement plan for housewives, right? There is also
[01:29:15] good news about retirement, I will ask you about that later,
[01:29:19] let's discuss that later, please. Now, of course,
[01:29:22] we are slowly coming to the end of this topic,
[01:29:26] but small producers need to be supported in every way,
[01:29:28] and they need a series of supports such as
[01:29:32] machine storage, marketing support, agricultural consultancy,
[01:29:36] and facilitating financial access, but I think Turkey primarily
[01:29:39] needs a production plan, as I said, Turkey should also
[01:29:43] determine its strategic products, for example, wheat, barley,
[01:29:46] corn, sunflower, soy, legumes, feed, and along with
[01:29:49] these, it should correctly establish its relationship with agriculture
[01:29:52] and livestock, and create production basins,
[01:29:55] these production basins should also pay attention to this in the long
[01:29:59] run, look, Turkey also has a water problem, a drought problem,
[01:30:02] therefore, it needs an agricultural plan on what to produce
[01:30:06] with how much water, perhaps this is not discussed much,
[01:30:09] but in 3-4 years, we will all be discussing this
[01:30:13] water problem in these villages and these pastures,
[01:30:16] it should determine the production basins, plan the strategic products
[01:30:19] to be produced there, small farmers
[01:30:22] should be supported, and in this way, perhaps reverse migration
[01:30:26] from cities should be provided, at the same time, institutions
[01:30:30] like TMO, Meat and Milk Institution,
[01:30:33] should determine support prices before planting,
[01:30:37] the farmer should know how much money what will make
[01:30:40] before planting, so why don't they determine it before planting?
[01:30:43] Is it because the farmer won't plant? That is, they prefer
[01:30:47] that, I said, one of the reasons for preference, because later
[01:30:51] what happens is that there is no space in my silo, I have this much quota,
[01:30:54] I can't buy it, and with a wild market mentality, we leave the farmer
[01:30:58] to the mercy of the merchant. The hazelnut price is determined in Turkey,
[01:31:02] but the prices previously determined and bought by the hazelnut
[01:31:06] buyers are more important, the same applies to wheat, they say there is no space in the silo,
[01:31:10] so what will they do then? If there is no TMO, they will
[01:31:13] sell it to a private person, therefore, an approach that
[01:31:17] leaves the farmer to the mercy of the merchant is not correct,
[01:31:20] because this also affects Turkey's strategic planning,
[01:31:23] it affects your imports, it affects your exports,
[01:31:27] it affects your demographic structure, such critical decisions,
[01:31:31] I believe, should be supported by the state regardless of cost.
[01:31:35] I will add something there, in Turkey, from May
[01:31:38] until the end of September, grain harvesting is done,
[01:31:40] that is, the yield per decare
[01:31:44] is between 800 and 250 kilograms, the state actually
[01:31:47] sets the base price equally for everyone,
[01:31:51] whereas the wheat produced in irrigated
[01:31:55] areas and the wheat produced
[01:31:57] by villagers who farm in dry
[01:32:01] fields, producing between 200-250 kilograms
[01:32:04] per decare, must absolutely be differentiated
[01:32:07] or supported with additional supports
[01:32:10] to continue this production. After a while,
[01:32:14] where do we see this? We see that farmers living
[01:32:17] in villages at altitudes of 1500-1400-1300
[01:32:20] meters, where the yield is low, are rapidly abandoning
[01:32:24] their villages. Therefore, if support is
[01:32:28] to be given, regional differentiation must be considered.
[01:32:31] If a base price is to be given for products,
[01:32:34] additional payments should be set
[01:32:38] here, taking into account the yield, and villagers,
[01:32:41] especially young families, should be prevented from abandoning
[01:32:44] production. Another problem arises here, why did we say that young people
[01:32:47] in Anatolia are disconnected from production, young families are disconnected
[01:32:51] from family type production? Because all village schools
[01:32:55] have been closed. Now, if you close
[01:32:58] the village school, families have children
[01:33:02] of all ages. In primary school age,
[01:33:05] in secondary school age, they will go to the city for middle school, but when they can't even go to primary school in the village,
[01:33:09] then young families directly go to the city
[01:33:12] center. So we saw that during this government's
[01:33:15] term in the 2000s, with the closure of village
[01:33:19] schools, the disconnection of young families
[01:33:22] from agricultural production and animal husbandry was ideologically
[01:33:26] provided, and it seems that it was forced upon
[01:33:29] the governments by a center to disconnect the Turkish villagers from production.
[01:33:33] As Karabat also said, since the costs are not covered,
[01:33:37] families and young people no longer want to deal with it, of course,
[01:33:40] it's very enjoyable to deal with land and animal husbandry, but the conditions are very difficult,
[01:33:44] young people now want to go to city centers.
[01:33:47] I also took a note, we are experiencing a shepherd
[01:33:51] crisis in animal husbandry, we have Afghan shepherds,
[01:33:54] did you encounter this situation in the regions we visited?
[01:33:58] That is, in the place we went, there were only Shavaks, as I said,
[01:34:02] those who came from the Dersim and Elazığ regions, apart from
[01:34:06] that, for example, in our Kitre village, two families
[01:34:09] graze their own animals, they are families whose
[01:34:13] grandfathers came here as shepherds but settled in the village.
[01:34:17] Therefore, since there are no additional animals in the village,
[01:34:20] there may be Afghan shepherds elsewhere, but
[01:34:24] there are other problems there, for example, many people
[01:34:27] entered Turkey from the East, from the Iranian border,
[01:34:30] remember, we saw thousands of young, well-dressed people
[01:34:34] in their 20s, who had worked for American intelligence,
[01:34:38] crossing in one night, but what we needed were
[01:34:41] people who would work in production.
[01:34:45] I saw Afghan shepherds or Turkmens in the places
[01:34:48] I visited. But we also witnessed
[01:34:51] that no planning was done for this and that it created other
[01:34:54] social and sociological problems when other problems
[01:34:58] arose. Is small ruminant animal husbandry more difficult
[01:35:08] of small ruminant animal husbandry is very low.
[01:35:10] You just let the animals graze in the pastures, there is no cost.
[01:35:15] also, instead of pasture-type animal husbandry,
[01:35:18] it has largely shifted to barn-type
[01:35:21] animal husbandry, to fattening-type animal husbandry, there,
[01:35:25] all the animals are fattened
[01:35:28] in closed or semi-open environments
[01:35:32] without moving at all, regardless of summer or winter,
[01:35:36] we see more development in milk production here,
[01:35:39] that is, large industrial facilities producing milk
[01:35:42] feed the animals with suitable
[01:35:46] composites, suitable efficient grasses
[01:35:50] or other nutrients, and they have greatly changed
[01:35:54] and developed the cattle breed, cattle weighing
[01:35:57] approximately 700-800 kilograms have started to emerge, but
[01:36:01] in the Anatolian geography we visited, since
[01:36:04] the terrain is very rugged, there is no chance for such large
[01:36:08] animals to graze in the pastures because their foot structures
[01:36:11] are not suitable for their hooves, it's mostly a place
[01:36:15] where our old Anatolian native breeds were common,
[01:36:19] there are large cattle weighing between 250 and 400 kilograms,
[01:36:22] we see that large cattle breeding is very widespread
[01:36:26] in those regions like Kars, Ardahan, Erzurum, Ağrı,
[01:36:30] but when we go there, when we went there,
[01:36:33] the main problem is this, he produces,
[01:36:37] he brings his product and hands it over to the merchant,
[01:36:40] since the Meat and Fish Institution does not come
[01:36:43] and open suitable combines, and does not buy the product
[01:36:47] at a suitable price in time, after a while, instead of the number
[01:36:50] of products increasing, that is, the number of animals
[01:36:54] should increase through breeding, we see that the herd size
[01:36:57] is decreasing and animal diversity is decreasing. Yes, during
[01:37:01] Özgür Özel's contacts in Kars and Ardahan,
[01:37:04] both the vaccination issue related to foot-and-mouth disease
[01:37:19] Term Program, do you have anything
[01:37:22] else to add on this topic? Should I move on to the MTP?
[01:37:26] We can move on, okay. In the Medium Term Program,
[01:37:29] we say it's a guide and a roadmap for Turkey
[01:37:33] in general. A medium term plan is set,
[01:37:36] it has targets, inflation targets, production
[01:37:39] targets, foreign trade targets, and currency
[01:37:43] targets. And accordingly, everyone makes
[01:37:46] their own planning. So the question is,
[01:37:50] are the targets announced last year
[01:37:53] in Turkey consistent with the targets announced
[01:37:56] this year? No, they are not.
[01:37:59] There is a planning approach that revises the targets
[01:38:03] announced last year every time. Therefore, this
[01:38:07] is just a "friends, let them see us shopping"
[01:38:11] mentality. What Turkey needs is to have an organization
[01:38:14] like the State Planning Organization, as in previous years
[01:38:17] when Turkey was growing. It seems that the medium-term
[01:38:21] plans, strategic plans, whatever they are called,
[01:38:25] announced by the Presidential Palace, or the Central Bank's inflation
[01:38:28] target, to be more clear, none of them were met,
[01:38:32] and in an environment where targets are updated after 2 or 3 months,
[01:38:36] it is not possible for decision-makers in the market to act according
[01:38:39] to this plan. Even the state's own staff do not act
[01:38:43] according to these plans.
[01:38:50] In other times, there were always other deviations, it's always an external force, but unfortunately, what I observe
[01:38:54] is that the main goal of the medium-term
[01:38:57] plan in Turkey is perception management,
[01:39:01] reputation management for the government.
[01:39:04] Planning is something else. Medium-term
[01:39:07] planning is done to truly grow a country,
[01:39:11] to truly provide employment.
[01:39:14] Evaluating planning in this state
[01:39:17] is, I think, a bit of a waste of time, because
[01:39:21] plans show us from experience that it can neither meet the inflation target
[01:39:24] nor the current account deficit target, nor the foreign exchange target,
[01:39:28] nor the production target, nor the capacity utilization rate. So
[01:39:32] what plan are we talking about, and how will we act accordingly?
[01:39:35] If these plans worked, confidence in the markets would increase,
[01:39:38] and another development index would emerge. Therefore,
[01:39:42] the structure I observe is that the government itself
[01:39:44] does not really care about the plans. There is a picture that the government
[01:39:48] as a whole does not own these plans, and we observe that the ministries
[01:39:51] are unaware of this planning. Sometimes we even witness
[01:39:54] problems between the Central Bank and the Minister,
[01:39:58] and sometimes discrepancies between the Central Bank's
[01:40:02] targets and tax policies. For this, Turkey
[01:40:05] needs a strong planning structure again, a new state planning organization,
[01:40:09] a new strategic planning structure. This structure itself
[01:40:12] must also have an independent character. That is,
[01:40:15] "Mr. President, we are doing it this way" won't work.
[01:40:19] Planning is something else. It must have an independent character.
[01:40:21] That structure must also be independent, and it must consist of qualified personnel.
[01:40:25] We cannot form a state planning organization with elements like Ahmet Ağa's son,
[01:40:29] Veli Uncle's son, someone else's daughter from our provincial organization
[01:40:32] or someone else's acquaintance from the district organization. This is the situation,
[01:40:36] so these medium-term plans do not really have the potential
[01:40:39] to set targets for Turkey. Yes, we need to conclude
[01:40:43] that in 2023, when Mehmet Şimşek took office,
[01:40:47] he announced a medium-term plan. For the current year 2026,
[01:40:50] it was 8.5% inflation. Now he is setting the same inflation target
[01:40:53] for 2029. Now, for three years,
[01:40:56] for three years, always for three years later, when it came to inflation,
[01:41:00] there was 38% inflation. Now we continue our lives
[01:41:03] with 32% inflation. The interest burden within
[01:41:07] the budget has not been reduced. That is, there is an incredible
[01:41:09] interest burden within the budget. The foreseen interest payment
[01:41:13] for three years is 17 trillion lira.
[01:41:16] To estimate that the 17 trillion they foresee will be realized
[01:41:19] means that since there is always a 20-25% deviation,
[01:41:22] they will pay over 20 trillion lira in interest.
[01:41:25] So, until the 2026 budget, the income budget is around
[01:41:28] 16 trillion. That is, it is much more
[01:41:32] than our entire income budget this year. They will pay interest within three years.
[01:41:35] This interest burden, that is, this understanding of an economy
[01:41:39] based on usury and interest, must be abandoned.
[01:41:43] The economic understanding based on budget deficit,
[01:41:47] that is, based on budget deficit, and aimed at eliminating
[01:41:50] all deficits through borrowing, must be abandoned.
[01:41:53] In foreign trade data, that is,
[01:41:56] you foresee an incredible foreign trade deficit of 22.5 billion,
[01:42:00] which rises to 47 billion dollars. "Your foreign trade is showing a deficit,
[01:42:03] you are far from the inflation expectations, you cannot meet the budget targets.
[01:42:06] Is there an increase in employment? You have an employment target of 34 million,
[01:42:10] 34 point something million. You are under 2 million.
[01:42:13] What is the growth? Turkey must grow by over 5%,
[01:42:17] because to overcome all these difficult periods we are in,
[01:42:21] the real economy needs to grow by 5% and over every year,
[01:42:24] but we see that these growth targets are not being met."
[01:42:28] Actually, it is exactly here that Turkey needs a new understanding,
[01:42:31] a new politics, a new public finance, a new budget management,
[01:42:35] a new social policy and employment approach. That is why
[01:42:39] the new party, since its establishment on July 24th,
[01:42:42] has become a source of hope for our nation in a very short time.
[01:42:46] Our Chairman Mr. Özgür Özel is the only leader who has managed
[01:42:49] to take to the streets in Turkey and organize actions,
[01:42:53] events, and rallies instantly across Turkey,
[01:42:57] from Edirne to Ardahan, from Hatay to Sinop.
[01:43:00] We are also all over Turkey with 81 members of parliament,
[01:43:04] 91 members of parliament, and we are in the field.
[01:43:07] Now we are trying to give all our citizens
[01:43:10] who will be a hope for this nation, organize social opposition,
[01:43:13] and ask the question "What is the alternative against this government?"
[01:43:17] the feeling that "we have alternatives,
[01:43:19] you are not without options, the option is in the new party,
[01:43:22] and we are with you." Of course, politics is about giving hope.
[01:43:25] What kind of hope does the new party give? How are the feedbacks from the field?
[01:43:28] I would like to ask this as well, as our time is running out.
[01:43:32] I also want to ask about the election. There are successive statements
[01:43:35] regarding the election. A technical date adjustment will be made.
[01:43:38] If it is moved forward a week, our President can be a candidate again.
[01:43:42] Is there an election expectation in the field conveyed to you by sources close to the government?
[01:43:45] I think the citizens are already expecting the election to happen
[01:43:48] as soon as possible, because they have seen that
[01:43:52] they cannot have a new era from this government anymore.
[01:43:55] As for the technical regulation, we see
[01:43:59] that in the election, rather than forming a new government structure,
[01:44:03] all organs of the state are focused on
[01:44:06] how to ensure the current president's power for another term.
[01:44:10] Look, all the focus in Turkey is on how we can make one person
[01:44:14] a candidate one more time, and after making him a candidate,
[01:44:18] how can we make him win again? This is a great shame for Turkey.
[01:44:22] Turkey is a very big country. Turkey can raise dozens
[01:44:26] of politicians. To see Turkey so small,
[01:44:29] to think that it cannot be done without one person, is a great shame for Turkey's potential.
[01:44:33] It is a great disrespect to the greatness of the Turkish nation. I must say this first. Therefore, what have they focused on?
[01:44:37] All they care about is how we can make Mr. President a candidate.
[01:44:40] But this is not the agenda of the citizen. The citizen says,
[01:44:43] "Schools are opening, how will I buy my child's bag?"
[01:44:47] Yes, they opened today. "How will I buy an apron?
[01:44:50] Will my child go with worn-out shoes, or will they experience the joy
[01:44:54] of going to school with new shoes on the first day?"
[01:44:57] This is the citizen's concern. Therefore, we see in the field
[01:45:01] that the gap between the government's agenda
[01:45:05] and the citizen's agenda is very wide.
[01:45:08] That's why there is great interest in us. There is great interest in us,
[01:45:11] and we are aware of this interest. We also have a concern
[01:45:15] to explain to the citizens how we will manage Turkey
[01:45:19] better. And I must also say this,
[01:45:23] the new party is really a new party.
[01:45:27] It is a new party with both its policies and its discourse.
[01:45:29] Moreover, I should point out that it has around 100,000 members.
[01:45:33] More than 30% of these members, look, perhaps we are saying this
[01:45:36] for the first time in Turkey on these screens,
[01:45:40] more than 30% of these members are people who have never
[01:45:44] been members of any political party in Turkey before. Look, what does this mean?
[01:45:47] The citizen says, "Enough is enough, the word is with the nation."
[01:45:51] We are coming here. We now have a party.
[01:45:54] There are thousands of people who want to change Turkish politics
[01:45:57] outside of the existing politicians. The new membership structure
[01:46:00] means that more than 200,000 people who have never been members of any political party before
[01:46:04] have become members. Therefore, the new party
[01:46:08] is truly a new party,
[01:46:10] and we are not a party established by people
[01:46:13] who have previously served in a party, but a party established by the nation.
[01:46:17] I would like to state this. My director,
[01:46:20] I would appreciate it if you could tell me how much time is left.
[01:46:23] We have the last 3 minutes. We had a news story.
[01:46:27] Can we go to it? We wanted to ask
[01:46:30] for our guests' comments. I will take your comments on the election.
[01:46:34] Also, schools opened today. Schools opened, and for the first time in Turkey
[01:46:38] in 56 years,
[01:46:40] fewer than 1 million students started school this year.
[01:46:43] This actually means, as we said, the number of people
[01:46:47] working in agriculture is decreasing, and there is also a decrease
[01:46:50] in the number of students going to school. In fact, we are facing
[01:46:54] a serious problem in population planning due to the intense economic crisis,
[01:46:57] distorted urbanization, unplanned growth,
[01:47:15] falling below 1 million to 970,000,
[01:47:19] and the prediction that this number will decrease to as low as 9,000
[01:47:23] in the future, actually shows that
[01:47:27] we need to discuss new national education policies. Since schools opened today,
[01:47:30] perhaps this should be discussed live in another segment.
[01:47:34] Of course, one of the demands regarding schools is that
[01:47:37] children in private schools may have many opportunities, but children in public schools
[01:47:41] need at least one meal a day, access to food,
[01:47:45] the price of a toast and ayran in the school cafeteria.
[01:47:49] This is also noteworthy. Many of the mayors
[01:47:52] who provided this are in prison now, as you know.
[01:47:55] Many of our mayors who offered a free meal
[01:47:59] to students in their municipalities' schools and who provided
[01:48:03] drinking water so that children could drink clean water
[01:48:07] are not currently in office. All of these
[01:48:10] need to be re-evaluated. It is very clear that Turkey
[01:48:14] needs to review its national education understanding, perhaps
[01:48:18] even the parts up to basic university education.
[01:48:20] Last minute. Speaking of our mayors,
[01:48:24] let me ask you about the Tuzla case in the last minute.
[01:48:27] Ekrem İmamoğlu also expressed his reaction regarding the Tuzla case,
[01:48:31] but in the last minute, let me tell you,
[01:48:34] it is useful to remind you of the Tuzla case.
[01:48:37] Ekrem İmamoğlu was taken somewhere one day,
[01:48:41] then his car broke down and he came back.
[01:48:44] Do you remember? It was about 60 km away.
[01:48:47] Yes. He couldn't give a statement that day.
[01:48:51] If Mr. Ekrem had given a statement that day, the judge,
[01:48:55] who had previously acquitted him, had a high probability
[01:48:58] of acquitting him again. We missed this that day,
[01:49:01] wondering what happened. Then he was brought back,
[01:49:13] Moreover, he was convicted by a newly appointed judge
[01:49:16] in the first hearing. "Moreover, he was convicted
[01:49:20] with a heavier sentence than the prosecutor requested.
[01:49:23] Now I am telling some people, as they say,
[01:49:26] "Ekrem İmamoğlu's case is not political." If this is not politics,
[01:49:30] what is it? Look, even this small case, I know Mr. Ekrem has 13 cases,
[01:49:34] even this small case, because this small case
[01:49:37] is a technical one, even this example
[01:49:41] shows how political the case is, how political the investigations
[01:49:45] against Ekrem İmamoğlu are. Will there be a political ban?
[01:49:47] Well. I think there shouldn't be.
[01:49:51] If simple criticisms become political issues in Turkey,
[01:49:53] then no one in Turkey will be able to engage in politics.
[01:49:57] The institution of politics will disappear, which would be a great harm to Turkey.
[01:50:01] I mean, those balance sheets we explained a little while ago,
[01:50:04] the root of all of them is the blow to democracy in Turkey,
[01:50:08] the design of politics through the judiciary, and the unjust imprisonment
[01:50:11] of journalists, politicians, and artists for months, even years.
[01:50:15] This is the primary reason. It is not possible to correct
[01:50:19] these economic data we talked about. Well, Özgür Karabat,
[01:50:22] Gevkan Zeybek, thank you very much for your participation and evaluations.
[01:50:26] I wish you a beautiful day. We have come to the end of our allotted time
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[01:59:35] So, is there any preparation for a name change
[01:59:38] for the new party? Are possible name suggestions being discussed?
[01:59:42] Details are in our news. Let's walk
[01:59:45] without stopping and without getting tired,
[01:59:48] friends. The new party is facing
[01:59:52] the possibility of a name change before holding its first
[01:59:56] major ordinary congress.
[01:59:57] Now, we have established the new party
[02:00:01] with the demand and pressure of the nation.
[02:00:04] Nothing has changed in politics. So, why is the New Party
[02:00:08] facing a name change? Öztürk Yılmaz,
[02:00:12] the Chairman of the Innovation Party, applied to the Supreme Court
[02:00:15] due to name similarity. He requested
[02:00:19] that the new party's name be changed. The Supreme Court informed
[02:00:22] the New Party management about that application.
[02:00:26] The New Party is the party of the new politics
[02:00:29] that Turkey has longed for. The result of the examination
[02:00:32] regarding the name similarity between the two parties
[02:00:35] is expected to be clarified within the next one or two months.
[02:00:38] So, what is being discussed in the New Party circles
[02:00:42] regarding a possible name change? According to information obtained
[02:00:46] from the New Party front,
[02:00:49] why this process.
[02:00:52] konuşuluyor? Yeni Parti Cephesinden edinilen bilgilere
[02:00:55] göre bu süreç neden.