HALKTV — Mehmet Tezkan ile Neden Sonuc
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[00:00:31] I said let me start the second hour with such a scene to you. Now 1x countries
[00:00:34] are having a summit
[00:00:38] in New Delhi, the capital of India,
[00:00:40] uh at this summit,
[00:00:42] uh Iranian
[00:00:46] President Pezeshkian is giving a speech, while he is giving
[00:00:49] the speech, uh the new
[00:00:53] Indian Jaswal is listening to
[00:00:56] him, but he is listening like this, look at the picture in the background?" "
[00:01:04] He is eating something, that something is dried nuts, there are dried nuts
[00:01:07] in front of him, but if you look at his
[00:01:09] fingers, he is eating hungrily, eating hungrily,
[00:01:13] there are also BRICS countries at the summit, so this is another
[00:01:17] person, right behind Putin,
[00:01:20] all of these are the foreign ministers of the BRICS countries,
[00:01:23] so they are behind the leaders in terms of their positions,
[00:01:27] there are boxes in front of them. There are snacks
[00:01:30] in the boxes, uh, for example,
[00:01:34] the Indian uh
[00:01:37] foreign minister spokesperson eats these snacks quite a lot,
[00:01:40] then the box is almost finished,
[00:01:43] he licks his fingers and all, as you can see, then
[00:01:46] he gathers, I mean, dried nuts that make you lick your fingers
[00:01:50] are also very expensive in our country, an officer comes and takes
[00:01:54] the snack box, then
[00:01:57] it was even talked about on social media, uh
[00:02:01] protocol intervention and so on,
[00:02:04] bureaucratic diplomatic intervention, it was talked about
[00:02:07] quite a lot, diplomatic intervention to dried nuts,
[00:02:10] then when the snack was taken from in front of him,
[00:02:14] he went to another box and started eating
[00:02:18] those. So dried nuts are expensive in our country and quite delicious, I like them very
[00:02:21] much too, but these images, this hungry eating and
[00:02:25] the images of licking
[00:02:28] fingers
[00:02:44] had photos with government officials. another news on our haktevi.com, that news,
[00:02:47] uh, if you eat these dried nuts and drink water on top of them,
[00:02:51] don't buy water from our airports, 380 liras for a
[00:02:55] bottle of water at the airport, one
[00:02:58] bottle of water is 380.
[00:03:00] The smallest water, the smallest one,
[00:03:04] is sold for 380 liras at the airport, so this water,
[00:03:08] for example, what is known on social media is that the perpetrator
[00:03:11] is known, everything is known, the cost of water is known,
[00:03:14] there is no intermediary, so if water sold for 30 liras,
[00:03:18] 25-30 liras on intercity roads, is sold for 380 liras at the airport,
[00:03:21] the reason is actually known, but the water we buy is also expensive,
[00:03:25] but the expensiveness at the airport has gone to another level,
[00:03:29] another level, it has gone to
[00:03:41] you said you bought hazelnuts for how much earlier, 1050 liras,
[00:03:44] ha hazelnuts are vacuum-sealed,
[00:03:47] uh, we think 10 times when we eat them, so the state pays 150 liras
[00:03:50] in the garden, 170 liras and so on, but
[00:03:54] think of it as 50% yield, the inside of
[00:03:58] that hazelnut roasted. They sell it shelled, yours is shelled,
[00:04:01] 170 liras hazelnuts, say 350 liras,
[00:04:05] no, the cost of cracked
[00:04:09] is 350 liras, say 350 liras hazelnuts,
[00:04:12] there is no waste either. Now in vegetables, it's like this,
[00:04:15] you bought vegetables, for example, you bought lettuce
[00:04:19] or another vegetable product, tomatoes and so on,
[00:04:22] there will be waste, it will rot, wear out,
[00:04:26] some of it, 20%, 30%, they did studies to reduce the waste rate for a while.
[00:04:31] There is waste in vegetables, but there is no waste in hazelnuts, so Mehmet Şimşek
[00:04:34] says 350 liras, high value-added
[00:04:38] product, so you are talking about 350 liras hazelnuts, 1050 liras.
[00:04:42] We used to have cheap seeds, but even that is very expensive now,
[00:04:52] is that the responsible officer in the hall
[00:04:55] takes it and takes it away,
[00:04:59] then he looks. "He goes and takes the other thing,
[00:05:02] takes the plate, continues to eat from there, the foreign minister spokesperson
[00:05:05] of India, such a scene, we just
[00:05:08] announced the price increases, 100 liras for diesel,
[00:05:11] so 660." When there was an increase of 2 liras and 62 kuruş, all of a sudden,
[00:05:15] there are screens showing 98 liras, 97 liras,
[00:05:19] and when those screens show 100 liras, you know
[00:05:22] that the pump screen for 50-53
[00:05:26] doesn't take the number, so they need to be updated
[00:05:29] with a cost of 225 million liras,
[00:05:33] so it doesn't fit in our pockets, nor does it fit on the pump
[00:05:36] screens of gas stations, so what a nice optimism there was in May,
[00:05:40] right? 50 liras were being talked about, 50 dollars.
[00:05:43] Now there are people saying 150, 150 dollars, today it's on the front page of Milliyet,
[00:05:47] 500 billion dollars to the world, but the cost of oil is 100
[00:05:51] billion dollars for us, yes, yes, 100 billion
[00:05:54] dollars is ours, I think a few days
[00:05:57] ago, there were bombings
[00:06:00] in Saudi Arabia, the Houthis hit the refinery
[00:06:04] in August, Saudi Arabia closed the east-west line,
[00:06:08] so these oil prices, in our medium-term program,
[00:06:12] how much? 80 dollars? Something like that,
[00:06:15] I mean, for the targets to be met,
[00:06:28] the first price increases of the new year are being calculated,
[00:06:32] when the October inflation is announced in November,
[00:06:35] the revaluation rate will emerge, and people have started calculating
[00:06:38] how much taxes, fees, and penalties will increase. Passport abroad.
[00:07:12] The president spoke so well on television, didn't
[00:07:16] he? The fee was abolished, right? He used to compare old
[00:07:20] Turkey and new Turkey, saying that you could go abroad for free.
[00:07:22] Uh, now no one is mentioning these
[00:07:26] 1580 liras. So it's back, and the price is increasing.
[00:07:30] The e-mail registration fee is 69,000, so the mobile phone registration fee is coming to
[00:07:34] 69,000 liras right now. Uh, praying is cheaper
[00:07:38] with this registration fee. From abroad,
[00:07:41] this registration fee, this new
[00:07:53] the lowest radar fine is 2,543 liras.
[00:07:57] We will pay motor vehicle tax 7-7, 8-8,
[00:08:00] dividing it in two, it approaches 16,000.
[00:08:04] The most common, best-selling vehicle inspection fee is 4,181 liras.
[00:08:08] You will have your vehicle inspected, you will make an appointment, you will wait in line,
[00:08:11] and then you will pay
[00:08:16] 81 liras. Otherwise, you cannot drive. Stamp duty, people file declarations every month,
[00:08:20] the stamp duty is 1.5 liras, the first income tax bracket also goes up
[00:08:24] to 240,000
[00:08:26] liras, price increases are expected
[00:08:30] for natural gas and electricity in October, we haven't talked about
[00:08:33] those at all, now how will inflation fall, let's see,
[00:08:36] only electricity prices for industry have increased,
[00:08:39] electricity prices have increased, let's say that too. So that
[00:08:43] there is no misunderstanding, the Minister of Justice will then go and calculate
[00:08:47] the prices for industrialists at household rates,
[00:08:51] currently industry is working with increased
[00:08:53] prices, so our price increases never end,
[00:08:57] we pay increased prices for diesel, overseas fees, taxes,
[00:09:00] penalties are increased, our vegetables, fruits, meat, milk
[00:09:03] are expensive, our transportation is expensive, our service is expensive,
[00:09:07] our toast is expensive, the child's meal,
[00:09:10] they give daily paid meals in public schools.
[00:09:12] 290, what is this child eating for 290 liras daily, you get 502,000 liras annually,
[00:09:16] no, we will buy cleaning supplies, we will buy soap,
[00:09:19] we will paint the school, we will paint the classroom, give 2,000
[00:09:23] liras, 1500 liras, but the minister said there is no such thing,
[00:09:26] although all Ministers of National Education
[00:09:30] make catalogue announcements at the beginning of the term,
[00:09:33] they say "come to me," right? So if there are complaints,
[00:09:37] tell us, no school can buy these, you are not cleaning the school,
[00:09:41] toilet paper for the school.
[00:09:49] Then you tell the citizens
[00:09:51] not to donate, they don't want donations from you, what should I do, not buy toilet paper
[00:09:55] for my child? I will buy it. The municipality wants to clean the school,
[00:09:58] right? There were such things in Ankara Municipality and Istanbul
[00:10:02] Municipality too, they don't allow that either.
[00:10:05] They say let's put water, they took the friend
[00:10:08] in Beyoğlu Municipality inside. So he
[00:10:10] couldn't put water. Mr. Fatih Kacır, Minister of Industry and Technology,
[00:10:14] announced that Turkey will launch its first vehicle to the moon in 2007.
[00:10:17] Uh I mean,
[00:10:30] are aiming to be the 9th country for the moon mission,
[00:10:34] but we are not sending the rocket,
[00:10:37] no, this is a domestically produced vehicle, approximately 3.5,
[00:10:41] but we are producing a vehicle.
[00:10:45] We will put that vehicle on the missile, so we will send our first
[00:10:48] vehicle, we will send cargo, we will use the vehicle
[00:10:52] or we will send our vehicle by cargo,
[00:11:01] about fuel prices,
[00:11:04] or about high prices, for example, they increased fuel prices by 40%
[00:11:08] in Syria, and the Syrians took to the streets,
[00:11:12] this disturbed us very much, St. Petersburg is also on its feet
[00:11:15] because Russia increased prices, this disturbed us very much.
[00:11:19] How can Syrians take to the streets
[00:11:22] against fuel prices or high cost of living?
[00:11:25] How can you react against the government? This caused serious
[00:11:28] discomfort in government circles, because for people,
[00:11:31] for civil society to take to the streets,
[00:11:34] to protest, to complain about high prices,
[00:11:38] these are not acceptable or approvable events.
[00:11:42] Syrians should know their place, go home, sit down,
[00:11:45] 40% increase, whatever, that's from international
[00:11:49] markets, we are Syria, I mean, the Syrian government
[00:11:53] has nothing to do with it, it's entirely from international
[00:11:56] markets, so the Syrian people don't know this,
[00:11:59] and because they don't know, they went out and protested out of clumsiness,
[00:12:03] the price of diesel, is it in Syria, yes,
[00:12:07] I mean, in America, 6
[00:12:10] gasoline, I don't know, 6 liras, but
[00:12:13] it increased by 40%, 6 dollars, and the citizens,
[00:12:17] Syrians, this is also Russia, Saint Petersburg, uh, gasoline
[00:12:20] queue, oh my god, there is trouble there, there is scarcity
[00:12:24] there, there is war, you know. Because they hit the refinery,
[00:12:28] with Ukraine, they are trying to lift
[00:12:30] it mutually, they are trying not to hit
[00:12:33] the refinery mutually, that's why there is a fuel shortage,
[00:12:36] there is crude oil, but there is a refinery shortage, exactly.
[00:12:40] There are gasoline queues, scarcity there, there is a problem, to get gasoline,
[00:12:44] uh, kilometers of queues have formed, there is a problem everywhere in the world,
[00:12:47] but on the one hand, for example, we talk about defense industry, these technologies,
[00:12:50] the future, on the one hand, we get stuck here, people
[00:12:54] with this salary. Uh, how will they live
[00:12:58] with these price increases, how will you reduce inflation, we will talk
[00:13:01] more about the defense industry, that's how we will live,
[00:13:05] so we will put aside the things that are going bad
[00:13:08] in Turkey, and instead
[00:13:11] we will boast about drones,
[00:13:15] UAVs, I don't know, our successes in the defense industry,
[00:13:18] sending vehicles to the moon and so on,
[00:13:21] uh, we will tolerate this, this is important.
[00:13:24] "While wanting to live here, we get stuck, I mean, we get stuck
[00:13:28] on toast, we get stuck on buying toast for the child,
[00:13:32] of course, for example, schools opened yesterday,
[00:13:35] right? We still can't provide lunch
[00:13:39] for children, uh, and our minister says
[00:13:42] that it's necessary, but it's not the time,
[00:13:46] I don't know when it will be the time, I mean, this
[00:13:49] uh, it's not very possible to understand that,
[00:13:52] you know, in economics, everything is a matter of preference."
[00:13:55] Uh, so the Ministry of National Education or
[00:13:59] the government has more important preferences or places to spend money,
[00:14:02] children are not that important,
[00:14:05] prestige cannot be saved. I will now turn to the economy in the next hour slot
[00:14:09] because there is a formula being discussed to increase retirement
[00:14:13] pensions, but that formula has been there for a long time,
[00:14:16] but I'm confused, is it a citizen's salary or a retirement pension,
[00:14:28] and economic news, but what will happen
[00:14:31] with these retirement pensions,
[00:14:35] what kind of formula is being worked on, will it satisfy our retirees,
[00:14:49] us citizens are dealing with these, what will I cook for dinner,
[00:14:53] you brought it up a lot. Let me remind you so that the public doesn't misunderstand,
[00:14:57] this, you know, in the previous elections, it was
[00:15:00] the Republican People's Party's uh, thing,
[00:15:04] uh, I mean, it's not entirely like this,
[00:15:07] but it was a project that could correspond to this,
[00:15:10] let's talk about it then. So, uh, Mr. Barış,
[00:15:14] if you hear us, please contribute, instead of increasing the base salary
[00:15:18] of retirement pensions, there is a base salary of 23,552
[00:15:20] liras, and there is also a root salary, let's not
[00:15:24] deal with these, an income
[00:15:27] insurance model based on the total income of the household, so let's determine a certain amount
[00:15:31] for a household, income should not fall below that,
[00:15:35] so the lowest income entering a household should be determined, that is already the minimum
[00:15:38] wage. The salary you pay, a certain amount of monthly income for the household
[00:15:41] should be taken under state guarantee, uh, in the medium-term program,
[00:15:45] the state's retirement payments, scholarships, and social assistance, which includes transfer
[00:15:48] expenditures, actually gives a signal, there is
[00:15:51] a 33.1% increase in 2027, the economy
[00:15:54] newspaper wrote this, uh, I mean, it says
[00:15:58] there is such an increase in the budget in retirement pensions,
[00:16:02] in social assistance, uh, an increase is foreseen,
[00:16:06] this is about retirement pensions. bringing them to a certain level,
[00:16:10] combining social assistance and guaranteeing
[00:16:13] the salary that every household will receive, that every retiree will receive,
[00:16:16] a model like this is being worked on, uh, on the one hand, there was
[00:16:20] also a debate about food and rent assistance for retirees,
[00:16:23] retirement is not such an assistance model,
[00:16:26] this is not related to retirement pension,
[00:16:29] I mean, retiree, I will not pay this
[00:16:33] to retirees, instead of that, it should not turn into a right,
[00:16:37] uh, retirement pensions, instead of that,
[00:16:41] they propose a standard income that will cover everyone,
[00:16:44] retirees and non-retirees who have income,
[00:16:47] uh, is that the model, I mean, should I understand it that way,
[00:16:51] should I not associate it with retirement? I didn't understand it that way,
[00:16:55] I mean, it has nothing to do with retirement, but in public,
[00:16:58] uh, it is being done that way, there is nothing concrete anyway,
[00:17:02] in public, uh, they are making
[00:17:05] the situation complicated here, as far as I understand."
[00:17:08] With less cost, they are trying
[00:17:11] to achieve more returns,
[00:17:15] uh, that's what I understood, uh,
[00:17:18] frankly, your retirement pension is not enough, below that income,
[00:17:22] the state will probably cover the difference, but while doing this,
[00:17:25] families will also include
[00:17:29] the aid they receive from different places, these transfer payments
[00:17:32] will be included in it, which is already
[00:17:36] from other sources.
[00:17:45] Therefore, this will put less burden on the treasury,
[00:17:49] that's the impression I get, I mean, I don't understand
[00:17:52] anything, the low
[00:17:56] retirement pensions don't explain
[00:17:59] anything, I mean, people have a right, don't they, we pay
[00:18:03] premiums, therefore, these retirement
[00:18:06] pensions. Why are they taking it as a transfer payment? I don't understand,
[00:18:10] I mean, retirement pension, social assistance, retirees are not
[00:18:13] a state's, on the contrary,
[00:18:17] it's the citizen's past
[00:18:20] work, uh, it's a transfer
[00:18:23] made by the citizen to the future,
[00:18:26] it's the citizen's money, so I hope this doesn't cover retirees,
[00:18:30] because retirement is not a point where you give aid, retirement is a
[00:18:33] right, people pay premiums for years
[00:18:36] to have their old age. "They will take it away from you,
[00:18:39] I didn't understand this model either, I didn't understand rent and food assistance either,
[00:18:43] retirees don't want assistance, retirees worked and want their rights,
[00:18:46] that's what I said, actually, I think
[00:18:50] it's not correct that retirees' own
[00:18:54] money is taken, they pay into the insurance fund,
[00:18:57] they don't want assistance, I mean,
[00:19:01] but in Turkey, uh, I guess public
[00:19:04] administrators are doing this, for retirees,
[00:19:07] as if they are giving it from their own pockets, there is no such
[00:19:11] impression, but as a matter of principle, retirement pension
[00:19:15] is something I put aside while working, thinking about
[00:19:18] my future, if there was a private uh, insurance fund
[00:19:22] in Turkey like in America or a retirement fund like in Europe,
[00:19:26] uh, the state doesn't get involved in this at all,
[00:19:29] the problem here is actually
[00:19:32] because the system was designed incorrectly, therefore,
[00:19:36] uh, my retirement money
[00:19:39] or my salary cannot be replaced
[00:19:42] by this, they are not the same things,
[00:19:45] the discussion in public, discussing it this way,
[00:19:49] seems wrong to me, this is probably a family income
[00:19:52] insurance model that does not cover retirees, but we don't know yet,
[00:19:55] as far as I know, the minister will present this
[00:19:58] within the party, there is still no explanation,
[00:20:01] it has been debated for 3 days,
[00:20:19] of the promises made by the CHP in the 2023
[00:20:21] elections, later it was updated
[00:20:25] and brought to the agenda within the framework of the Presidential
[00:20:28] Candidates Office, and it was one of the election promises
[00:20:31] and it still exists, both family income insurance
[00:20:35] and citizenship income. Actually, this is one
[00:20:39] of the conventions and articles of the International Labor Organization,
[00:20:42] what is said here is this: not individual salary,
[00:20:45] family income should be the basis, and family income
[00:20:49] should be... "If the minimum wage or the poverty line determined
[00:20:53] by the state is below
[00:20:55] a family's income, that amount needs
[00:20:58] to be covered by the state, otherwise it has nothing to do
[00:21:02] with retirement and the retirement model. Of course, there are different
[00:21:06] practices applied by states here. Some states take the minimum
[00:21:09] wage as a basis, and some states
[00:21:13] take the poverty line as a basis. Here, if the family's
[00:21:16] income is below the poverty line or as I pointed out earlier.
[00:21:20] If it is below the wage, the state directly
[00:21:23] provides aid to this family, this is actually an election
[00:21:27] promise made within this model.
[00:21:29] If it's below 28,000 liras, for example, teacher,
[00:21:32] what you said is not poverty, it's probably hunger,
[00:21:36] poverty is 110,000, is it 120 now for Turkey,
[00:21:40] yes, I mean, Mr. İbrahim, this would be extremely difficult
[00:21:43] to apply for Turkey, it is applied as a poverty line in some countries.
[00:21:47] Now, yes, applying poverty
[00:21:51] in Turkey can go to completely different places, this is a choice,
[00:21:54] so a choice made by a state, hunger line, poverty line,
[00:21:58] or minimum wage, now, if we consider
[00:22:01] that a very significant portion of the society in Turkey earns below the minimum wage,
[00:22:05] that's why how this figure will be determined
[00:22:08] can also emerge as a fundamental question, maybe
[00:22:12] a base below the minimum wage can be determined again,
[00:22:15] so this could be a model unique to Turkey. Teacher, we are constantly talking about price increases,
[00:22:19] uh... We have been giving news of price increases since morning,
[00:22:22] of course, with global developments, everywhere is
[00:22:26] in a strange tension because we are also
[00:22:29] affected by it. For example, right now, on the front page of Evrensel
[00:22:32] newspaper, there is such a news:
[00:22:36] uh, I mean,
[00:22:38] the number of children experiencing poverty and social exclusion
[00:22:42] has increased to 36.8%, it says. For example,
[00:22:45] uh, the rate of those living
[00:22:48] in unhealthy houses with leaking roofs and damp
[00:22:52] walls is 28.8%,
[00:22:54] it says. Nuclear family poverty
[00:22:57] has exceeded 32%, approaching 33%, it says.
[00:23:01] Uh, continuous
[00:23:03] poverty in the population is 13.6%,
[00:23:07] again a large, I mean, continuous poverty at 13.6% is a high figure.
[00:23:11] If you don't educate these children, the number and rate of those remaining in continuous poverty
[00:23:14] will increase even more.
[00:23:18] So, when you look at it this way, uh, these are very high rates,
[00:23:21] 56%,
[00:23:25] a rate of 4%, uh,
[00:23:29] I mean, the child says he is in debt,
[00:23:32] I mean, 56.4% of the population
[00:23:52] about this new system, the family insurance
[00:23:55] issue. Now, uh, if you are going to take the hunger line
[00:23:58] as a reference here, which I think it shouldn't be the hunger line
[00:24:02] but the poverty line in a country with an 18,000
[00:24:06] dollar per capita income, we already have it, we produce
[00:24:10] 18,000 dollars, right? Spend, spend,
[00:24:13] uh and it even exceeded 19,
[00:24:16] teacher, that now minimum wage
[00:24:20] increases. Considering the current economic
[00:24:23] conditions, liras, teacher, let me tell you,
[00:24:26] 37,388, yes,
[00:24:29] uh, if you take
[00:24:32] this as a reference, if you say you will give a minimum wage
[00:24:36] of 38,000, think about it from the perspective of the government,
[00:24:39] uh, can the industry and service sector sustain this in Turkey?
[00:24:42] They cannot. So the minimum wage
[00:24:45] increases and the margin
[00:24:49] that the state will give to industrialists or business people
[00:24:52] to make that increase is no longer there,
[00:24:54] there are no more tax exemptions,
[00:24:58] there is nowhere else to go. So,
[00:25:01] if you increase the minimum wage at a more reasonable
[00:25:04] rate of inflation and the state covers
[00:25:07] the difference, if you take this hunger
[00:25:11] line as a reference, you will probably cover it with
[00:25:14] family insurance, uh, that's what
[00:25:18] I think.
[00:25:25] How much do you think the minimum wage will be? Uh, 25%
[00:25:28] increase, it will be around 20%, it will be below
[00:25:31] inflation, uh, and that's how much, 35,000.
[00:25:35] the lira will reach around 35. It will still be
[00:25:39] below the hunger line. The union president
[00:25:41] says, "Why am I participating in these meetings?"
[00:25:45] "Yes, you are already making decisions, just make them." What
[00:25:48] else can that person do? How will these people live? I'm talking about 7-8 years
[00:25:52] ago, when the per capita income was $10,000.
[00:25:55] When the per capita income
[00:25:58] was $10,000, the minimum wage was more
[00:26:01] realistic. The purchasing power of food,
[00:26:04] which we call the hunger line for minimum wage
[00:26:08] earners or other incomes, was better than the current per capita income of $19,000.
[00:26:12] So, my national income increasing
[00:26:15] from $10,000 to $19,000
[00:26:19] means nothing to workers or citizens.
[00:26:22] Nothing, zero, zero.
[00:26:25] The broken system in Turkey is not about retirement. First
[00:26:29] of all, the truly broken system in Turkey is the working
[00:26:32] system. I mean, in a country where work
[00:26:36] is based on such low wages, such inefficiency, and such unnecessary
[00:26:40] exploitation of labor,
[00:26:43] in such a working system, we are discussing retirement.
[00:26:47] You saw the queue of paid teachers, right?
[00:26:50] 20,000, of course, 20, 30 thousand lira. I mean,
[00:26:53] there are queues upon queues because we have distorted the demographic structure.
[00:26:57] Every province has a university. Everyone has a university degree.
[00:27:01] Call a plumber. Last week I called one. He charges 3,000
[00:27:04] lira for half an hour. For example, a plumber. It's normal. Why is it normal? Because
[00:27:08] it hit 2000. Because we left no one
[00:27:11] in that field. We made everyone unemployed with degrees.
[00:27:14] Not employed with degrees. We made them unemployed with degrees.
[00:27:18] Our children are getting diplomas. Yes, look,
[00:27:21] in this country, we say
[00:27:24] that operations are constantly carried out against the opposition,
[00:27:27] and the opposition is imprisoned, meaning they are thrown into
[00:27:31] jail. No, my friend,
[00:27:34] this alone does not express the truth. In this country,
[00:27:37] actually, 12 million people are imprisoned
[00:27:41] at home. We should consider those imprisoned
[00:27:44] at home as also being in prison. In fact, a large
[00:27:47] segment of this country, excluding about 7-8
[00:27:51] million people (meaning if you consider a population of over 86
[00:27:54] million), 80 million are condemned
[00:27:57] to lifelong poverty. So, our lifelong
[00:28:01] prison sentences are not given to murderers, but
[00:28:04] we have a population of 80 million
[00:28:07] condemned to lifelong poverty. They will remain poor for life,
[00:28:11] this is definite, definite information. It will be to the point of poverty.
[00:28:14] As an addition to what my professor told you a little while ago,
[00:28:17] let me tell you this: even if they give you 50,000
[00:28:20] lira minimum wage and 35-40,000 lira to pensioners
[00:28:24] during the election period, they are obliged to take
[00:28:27] it back immediately after the election. We are paying the bill
[00:28:31] for the 2023 election today. Another election will come,
[00:28:34] and they will give you a taste of honey again.
[00:28:37] They will take the honey back for 4 years, and more.
[00:28:41] Why? This country has a low capacity for technology production.
[00:28:45] We cannot increase technology production much.
[00:28:48] It has been like this since 2007. This country cannot increase added value productivity.
[00:28:51] What will happen if you make the minimum wage 50,000,
[00:28:55] or 70,000? More than half of the salaried
[00:28:58] employees will be fired because companies will go bankrupt.
[00:29:03] There is no productivity to support that wage. So why is there no productivity? No
[00:29:06] education. Why no education? With the concept of a university in every province,
[00:29:10] the country's field, imagine a field,
[00:29:14] you are farming, we have dried up the field, we
[00:29:17] have destroyed the field, we can no longer get produce from the field.
[00:29:21] When you can't get produce from the field,
[00:29:23] with a momentary monetary expansion for 3-5 months,
[00:29:26] a year, with a monetary expansion, taking a taste of honey,
[00:29:30] then... they have to take the honey back for 4 years.
[00:29:34] There is no lasting prosperity in the country, know this.
[00:29:37] I'm talking about $19,000, $20,000. Yesterday, Ömer Bolat also
[00:29:41] announced that we will reach 1.7 trillion dollars, we have arrived. Let me tell Ömer
[00:29:45] Bolat, if they don't know how to calculate, let me tell them, Turkey's national
[00:29:48] income has exceeded 1.7 trillion dollars. Hmm,
[00:29:51] but there is a target of 2.5 trillion dollars.
[00:29:55] I repeat, my national income was half
[00:29:58] of that, half of that, meaning 850.
[00:30:09] I repeat, it's not just the stock market that's inflated
[00:30:13] in Turkey. In the stock market, they make 10 lira shares worth
[00:30:16] lira, they write 300-500 billion profit on paper. No, my
[00:30:20] country's economy is also inflated. Everything is inflated on paper.
[00:30:23] When it comes to prosperity, there is no prosperity. As you said
[00:30:26] yesterday evening, Ebru Hanım, the news you gave,
[00:30:30] something called the evening market.
[00:30:32] It was Nefes's news, the evening market. So
[00:30:36] when you go to the market during the day, you don't have
[00:30:40] the purchasing power to buy normal products. You go to the evening market,
[00:30:43] and you are forced to take the broken ones, the garbage, the rotten
[00:30:46] ones, or the market
[00:30:54] has different worries.
[00:30:56] You remember
[00:30:59] the Ezgi apartment building in Kahramanmaraş during the February 6th
[00:31:03] earthquake disaster.
[00:31:05] A major tragedy occurred where 35 people lost
[00:31:09] their lives. The case was heard. The patisserie cut
[00:31:12] the columns. There were irregularities
[00:31:15] and mistakes during the reconstruction.
[00:31:18] In this case, a decision for release was made.
[00:31:22] An appeal was made against that decision, but the appeal was rejected. The families
[00:31:25] are, of course, very sad, and their vigil in front of the Ministry of Justice
[00:31:28] continues for the 5th day. Eda Erdağa will report
[00:31:32] what is happening there. After this disaster, people
[00:31:35] are enduring pain upon pain as
[00:31:38] they struggle and fight for justice, their sufferings
[00:31:41] increasing as they continue their lives. We can summarize the situation like this.
[00:31:50] As you said, we are in front of the Ministry of Justice, and here the families
[00:31:54] have been continuing their vigil for 5 days. They came
[00:31:57] here for justice. They gathered in front of the Ministry of Justice.
[00:32:00] They have been on vigil here for 5 days. While my cameraman friend Güven Dinçmen
[00:32:04] shows you, let me elaborate on the details a bit more.
[00:32:08] I will give more information. Right now,
[00:32:10] Asu Kaya has actually come here to visit
[00:32:14] the families. Asu Kaya, the General President of the Women's Branch
[00:32:18] of the New Party and Osmaniye Deputy, is here to visit Dönme Kaya,
[00:32:21] who started the Justice Vigil, to support them and to listen
[00:32:25] to them. She has arrived here at this moment. Of course,
[00:32:28] on one hand, the families' search for justice
[00:32:32] has been ongoing for years. Since the February 6th earthquakes,
[00:32:35] many cases, the cases of the collapsed
[00:32:38] apartment buildings, continue to be heard. The Ezgi apartment building
[00:32:42] in Kahramanmaraş, where 35 people lost their lives
[00:32:45] during the February 6th earthquakes, was one of these
[00:32:48] cases. In this case, the decision was announced. Members
[00:32:52] of the Families for Justice platform came in front of the Ministry
[00:32:55] of Justice to protest the decision given to the defendants in the Ezgi
[00:32:59] Apartment case and the problems experienced in other earthquake
[00:33:02] cases. They requested a meeting with Minister
[00:33:06] of Justice Akın Gürlek, and for 5 days, they have not yet
[00:33:09] received a response from ministry officials. In the Ezgi apartment case, for the crime
[00:33:13] of murder with possible intent...
[00:33:26] The Kahramanmaraş 5th High Criminal Court announced
[00:33:30] its decision yesterday in the Ezgi apartment case.
[00:33:33] It rejected the Chief Public Prosecutor's Office's and the families' appeals
[00:33:37] against the defendants' release. Of course,
[00:33:39] as we said, support continues here. In the early
[00:33:42] days, they were right in front of the Ministry. However, yesterday,
[00:33:46] the front of the Ministry was barricaded by police. As
[00:33:50] you can see behind Deputy Azu Kayan,
[00:33:53] because it is barricaded, the families continue
[00:33:56] their vigil a little further to the side,
[00:34:00] and they are also reiterating their
[00:34:02] demands. Meanwhile, the families
[00:34:06] are also explaining their own problems
[00:34:09] to the visiting MPs and supporters who come to support them.
[00:35:04] earthquakes, many of our families
[00:35:07] lost their loved ones.
[00:35:10] We have been fighting for justice for 3.5 years.
[00:35:13] We have been pursuing
[00:35:16] the legal avenues shown by the state for 3.5 years, my deputy, but the latest
[00:35:20] decision showed us that the legal path was not the right path.
[00:35:23] Now, a defendant whose trial
[00:35:26] started with 876 years, and whose indictment
[00:35:29] was for 876 years, even two defendants,
[00:35:33] cannot have their sentence reduced to 8
[00:35:37] years. This is not acceptable, because the defendants
[00:35:41] already fled immediately after the earthquake and were not found for 703
[00:35:44] days. The place where they were found
[00:35:47] is a villa, I mean,
[00:35:50] in a place where they were on holiday, they are given only 8
[00:35:53] years in prison, and then
[00:35:56] they are released on supervised release.
[00:36:00] This is the final straw that has broken
[00:36:03] our patience. The Ezgi
[00:36:06] apartment building is just one example. It is obvious
[00:36:09] that in a massacre where at least 53,000 people died,
[00:36:12] we have many other cases, many apartment
[00:36:16] cases. We wrote down as many as we could here, but there are more.
[00:36:19] We are following their legal processes
[00:36:23] one by one. This is why we are here,
[00:36:26] actually. This is not
[00:36:30] a planned action. As a citizen,
[00:36:33] the decision was announced on Friday
[00:36:36] night, connecting Thursday to Friday. It was a dark
[00:36:40] situation until 4 AM for all our families. I
[00:36:43] woke up around 8 and came here.
[00:36:47] I said I wanted to meet Minister Akın Gürlek,
[00:36:51] because as a former
[00:36:53] prosecutor and now as a minister of justice, I wanted this decision
[00:36:57] to be justified. However, I was told he was not here. Later,
[00:37:01] I was connected to his private
[00:37:04] secretary. I was told an appointment would be made.
[00:37:07] As you know, we have been waiting for 1317
[00:37:10] days. They told me they would get
[00:37:13] back to me. As I said, since our patience ran out,
[00:37:16] I didn't wait and stood alone at this entrance
[00:37:20] with this banner. 10 minutes later, the secretary called
[00:37:24] and said we could make an appointment for me, but they couldn't get
[00:37:27] back to me immediately. I said, "Okay," and continued. Half an hour later,
[00:37:29] I met with an authorized person, a judge. So,
[00:37:32] I realized that if I had gone in, I could have met with
[00:37:36] an authorized person, but I wasn't taken seriously,
[00:37:39] and they tried to stall me with the private secretary
[00:37:42] first, then the secretary. When they understood that I would continue
[00:37:45] my protest with the banner, they arranged for me to meet a judge.
[00:37:48] I explained in more detail to her, and she said
[00:37:52] she would convey it. They took my number, but from Friday
[00:37:55] to today, Tuesday, 5 days into my vigil, no response
[00:37:59] has been given to me. We are not just asking
[00:38:02] for the reasons behind the Ezgi apartment decision anymore, because
[00:38:06] the decision came out on Thursday.
[00:38:08] On Friday, the prosecutor of the court appealed, it was rejected.
[00:38:12] Yesterday, appeals were made to the 5th
[00:38:15] High Court, and they were also rejected. Now we have entered the appeal
[00:38:18] process. Let me summarize these: the appeal process for the February 6th
[00:38:22] earthquakes takes about 1.5 to 2 years to come back to us,
[00:38:25] as you know. If the defendants can evade
[00:38:29] for 703 days and serve 8 years
[00:38:32] out of a 876-year sentence, I don't even
[00:38:35] want to think about the appeal process.
[00:38:38] Therefore, it has become clear to us that we cannot
[00:38:42] follow the legal path they showed us. They
[00:38:45] should bring us justice now. If they can arrest a mayor,
[00:38:49] if they can put a comedian,
[00:38:53] Deniz Göktaş, into prison
[00:38:56] type L, they can easily arrest
[00:38:59] the defendants in the February 6th earthquakes now. But
[00:39:03] what did we encounter after all this sadness and waiting?
[00:39:06] As you know, there was a NATO summit in the summer. They
[00:39:10] arrested those who were even suspected of causing trouble. So what
[00:39:13] happened? You will see the
[00:39:17] photo here. The owner of Mados,
[00:39:20] who is being tried as a defendant in Manolya Sitesi in Kahramanmaraş,
[00:39:23] his name appears as a defendant. At the NATO summit,
[00:39:27] the man served Maraş ice cream to the guests.
[00:39:30] So, I'm not even talking about
[00:39:34] sallaya geçmelerini geçtim, ya bu kadar da olmaz, o
[00:39:37] yüzden artık nasıl adaleti işletiyorlarsa, kendileri için
[00:39:41] nasıl bir sistem uyguluyorlarsa, artık ben adil bir karar da
[00:39:45] beklemiyorum, artık ben vicdanlı bir karar bekliyorum, çünkü
[00:39:48] anayasanın 138 maddesi de açık eee, hakim savcıların
[00:39:52] tabi olduğu kanunlarda da açık, en sonunda hakim ve savcıya diyor ki
[00:39:56] vicdanınla karar ver. Şimdi 53 bin insanın
[00:39:59] öldüğü eee vicdanlı karar verilmesi lazım, hadi bir
[00:40:02] kısmına deprem deyin ama orada can çekişerek ölenler oldu, üç
[00:40:06] gün Afad gelsin de kurtarsın diye bekledik, üçüncü gün ölen bu deprem
[00:40:09] değil, bu artık işkence ve cinayete girer, bu yüzden de biz adalet
[00:40:13] istiyoruz, yani söylemeyecek çok şey vardı, böyle özetlemiş olayım size vekilim, siz
[00:40:17] de konuya hakimsiniz zaten, evet evet, ben de
[00:40:20] yanı başınızdakilerden biri Osmani,
[00:40:23] Osmaniye'nin eee depremzede depremi
[00:40:26] yaşamış. "iliklerine kadar yaşamış bir
[00:40:30] arkadaşınızım eee,
[00:40:33] hem bir yurttaş olarak yaşadım, o
[00:40:36] çaresizliğe hem de bir hekim olarak şahitlik
[00:40:39] ettim,
[00:40:42] değerli basın mensupları bugün buraya sadece dönek
[00:40:46] kaya'yı ziyaret etmek için değil, adalet
[00:40:49] arayan depremzede ailelerin yanında olduğumuzu
[00:40:53] göstermek için geldim,
[00:40:55] sadece döne kayanın değil." " "6 Şubat'ta evlatlarını,
[00:40:59] yakınlarını, annesini, babasını,
[00:41:02] kardeşlerini kaybeden binlerce insanın
[00:41:05] yanındayım. Ben 6 şubat, 6 Şubat
[00:41:09] sabahı Osmaniye'deydim, o gün yaşanan depremin
[00:41:12] dehşetini, yıkıma,
[00:41:15] çaresizliği,
[00:41:17] sadece bir insan olarak, bir
[00:41:21] anne, bir yakın, bir komşu, bir
[00:41:24] eş
[00:41:27] olarak. değil bir hekim olarak da tanıklık ettim o çaresizliğe
[00:41:30] maalesef. Enkaz başlarında bekleyen
[00:41:34] ailelerin feryadını, kaybettiklerini arayan
[00:41:37] insanların gözlerindeki umutsuz.
[00:41:40] bizati yaşadım, unutabilmemiz, biz yaşayanların
[00:41:44] unutabilmesi mümkün değil.
[00:41:48] 35 canımızı kaybettiğimiz Ezgi apartmanın enkazı
[00:41:52] hepimizin vicdanında kapanmamış bir
[00:41:55] yaradır. Yargı kararıyla o yaranın
[00:41:58] üzerine bir de adaletsizlik eklendi.
[00:42:02] Savcılık, sanıklar hakkını olası kastla öldürme
[00:42:05] supervised release, I'm talking about them walking around freely. This
[00:42:07] is too much. That's why I'm no longer expecting
[00:42:11] a fair decision, as they implement the law for themselves.
[00:42:14] I'm now expecting a conscientious decision,
[00:42:17] because Article 138 of the Constitution is clear,
[00:42:21] and the laws governing judges and prosecutors are also clear.
[00:42:23] In the end, it tells the judge and prosecutor to decide according to their conscience.
[00:42:27] Now, in a situation where 53,000 people died,
[00:42:31] a conscientious decision must be made. You can say it was an earthquake
[00:42:34] for some of them, but some died struggling. We waited for three
[00:42:37] days for AFAD to come and rescue them. Those who died on the third day,
[00:42:41] this is not an earthquake, this is torture and murder. That's why we want justice.
[00:42:43] I had a lot to say, so I'll summarize it for you, my deputy. You
[00:42:46] are already familiar with the issue. Yes, yes.
[00:42:50] I am one of those from Osmaniye
[00:42:53] who experienced the earthquake
[00:42:56] to the core. I am your friend. I experienced
[00:43:00] that helplessness as a citizen,
[00:43:02] and I witnessed it as a doctor.
[00:43:06] Unfortunately, I witnessed that helplessness.
[00:43:10] biri birinin bir sevdiği, birinin
[00:43:12] evladı, birinin yakını, birinin can
[00:43:15] yoldaşı. Ama bugün o insanlar kara
[00:43:19] lie in the dark earth. Today, it is
[00:43:22] the duty of the Ministry of Justice
[00:43:26] not to kill them again where they died,
[00:43:29] at least to make a decision that will comfort
[00:43:33] the hearts of their loved ones and establish justice in their consciences.
[00:43:37] When a mother loses her child,
[00:43:42] when a child is left without a mother,
[00:43:46] when a sibling is left without
[00:43:50] a brother or sister, is the accounting
[00:43:53] of justice only 8 years? We
[00:43:56] ask this to the Ministry of Justice.
[00:43:59] Know that this decision has not
[00:44:03] only wounded the souls of those who lost
[00:44:06] their loved ones in the Ezgi apartment,
[00:44:10] but also the souls
[00:44:12] of all those who lost
[00:44:16] their lives in the earthquake and the consciences
[00:44:19] of their loved ones again.
[00:44:22] It is impossible for us to accept
[00:44:25] this decision.
[00:44:28] It is impossible for consciences to accept
[00:44:32] this decision. We no longer accept
[00:44:35] the narrative of fate
[00:44:38] imposed on us by the AK Party government.
[00:44:40] You cannot make this nation
[00:44:44] believe that the results of this earthquake are
[00:44:46] fate.
[00:44:50] You cannot cover up your
[00:44:52] negligence and lack of oversight
[00:44:55] with the veil of fate.
[00:44:59] From here, as a member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey,
[00:45:03] I say: Do not ignore
[00:45:06] Dönme Kaya's vigil here for 5 days.
[00:45:12] Dönme is not just herself.
[00:45:15] In the earthquake
[00:45:17] region, in 11
[00:45:19] provinces,
[00:45:23] after at least 3 days of suffering,
[00:45:26] those who died, those who died,
[00:45:29] yes, yes, my colleague
[00:45:32] and many others, thousands
[00:45:36] of them. I was at the debris, a helpless person
[00:45:40] throwing bricks, trying to pull out
[00:45:44] their neighbors and relatives from the debris.
[00:45:48] I was a doctor trying to perform autopsies.
[00:45:51] Today, I will be the voice
[00:45:54] of all citizens in the earthquake
[00:45:58] region, the voice
[00:46:01] of all our citizens. Those
[00:46:05] who did not live
[00:46:10] through those days
[00:46:11] cannot know. No one
[00:46:14] who did not live through it can know.
[00:46:18] We learned about
[00:46:21] the destruction in Maraş two days later
[00:46:24] in Osmaniye. We learned about the destruction in Hatay
[00:46:27] three days later. We even forgot
[00:46:31] when we were able to learn about the destruction
[00:46:34] in Adıyaman and Malatya.
[00:46:37] We didn't know.
[00:46:40] We were faced with
[00:46:42] such helplessness. If we start
[00:46:46] speaking, there are too many
[00:46:49] responsible parties.
[00:46:54] For a bottle of water, people would fight
[00:46:57] with each other. For a piece of bread, people waiting
[00:47:00] in line,
[00:47:03] fighting with each other, trying to cut
[00:47:06] in front of each other. For baby
[00:47:08] food, people were walking over each other.
[00:47:12] We
[00:47:16] lived those
[00:47:17] times.
[00:47:21] In our era... people consume and forget
[00:47:24] very quickly, leaving it behind, but it's impossible
[00:47:28] for those who lived through it to forget.
[00:47:31] I looked, there are many hotels, many apartment buildings
[00:47:34] here.
[00:47:37] One of them is the Bilge Sitesi.
[00:47:40] In my province, 105 people lost
[00:47:43] their lives. And the person responsible
[00:47:47] for it, the person at the head of the responsible
[00:47:49] parties, left through the back door
[00:47:54] without even a day of
[00:47:57] imprisonment. That's another case.
[00:48:00] There are hundreds of such cases.
[00:48:04] But unfortunately, this government,
[00:48:07] as always, sometimes says it's
[00:48:11] in its nature, sometimes they say,
[00:48:15] "It's fate, it's a natural disaster, it happened and it's over."
[00:48:18] It's not like that. Earthquake
[00:48:23] victims do not forget the day they experienced.
[00:48:27] This is not something that can be understood
[00:48:31] by just coming
[00:48:31] later.
[00:48:35] Asu Kaya, Osmaniye Deputy of the New Party,
[00:48:38] you know about the Ezgi apartment and the pain there. We lost
[00:48:42] 35 lives. Also, the identities of a lawyer
[00:48:45] couple were used there. Their identities were taken in the earthquake.
[00:48:49] The identities of the deceased lawyer couple
[00:48:53] were used. Also, people created fake diplomas
[00:48:56] for aid. And then people
[00:49:00] lose their children and also struggle
[00:49:03] in this cause. Of course,
[00:49:07] they say that an appeal was made against
[00:49:11] the decision to release, but the appeal was not accepted.
[00:49:15] They say 8 years is not enough. We cannot accept such an early release.
[00:49:18] They say our lives are gone. They criticize the pastry shop
[00:49:22] managers. They were distributing ice cream at summits,
[00:49:25] smiling. They had photos
[00:49:28] with the government. The pastry shop in the Ezgi apartment,
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[01:00:19] there was a price increase for diesel fuel. We discussed that price
[01:00:22] increase. An arrest warrant was issued for the senior
[01:00:26] executives of 41 food distribution companies on charges
[01:00:28] of price fixing, money laundering from crime,
[01:00:32] violating tax laws, and collusive price fixing.
[01:00:35] The executives of 41 food
[01:00:38] distribution companies were arrested. Now,
[01:00:41] our viewers have written, will this family
[01:00:44] social assistance model include retirees
[01:00:48] or not? Since we don't know anything,
[01:00:51] we ask if such a thing is possible based on what
[01:00:55] is written and drawn. We don't have anything
[01:00:58] to work on, because there is nothing
[01:01:01] there either. There are only leaked news,
[01:01:04] and based on that news, we are only contributing
[01:01:08] to the model study. There is also no statement regarding
[01:01:11] portfolio companies, meaning there is no official statement.
[01:01:15] Maybe they will give up and not do it.
[01:01:18] Maybe with such leaked news, public reaction,
[01:01:22] these leaked news, lobby news, based on these news,
[01:01:25] if such a thing happens, social assistance and rent assistance
[01:01:28] should not be given to retirees. Such a thing would not
[01:01:32] be appropriate because retirement is a right, we say.
[01:01:35] Of course, families should be supported, but for example,
[01:01:38] our viewers also wrote that yes, we support the developments
[01:01:42] in the defense industry and sending vehicles to the moon,
[01:01:45] but our children are also here. We want them to develop
[01:01:48] these technologies in the future, but we are racking our
[01:01:51] brains trying to figure out how to pay 300 liras a day
[01:01:54] for school meals in state
[01:02:02] there will be new price increases in 2027.
[01:02:05] We pay incredible taxes
[01:02:09] on meager salaries. Therefore, we are explaining
[01:02:12] all these problems, hoping
[01:02:21] there is a rumor, but since it's not an official statement,
[01:02:25] there might be a 2-3 lira increase tonight
[01:02:28] for fuel. Therefore, not for diesel, but for
[01:02:32] gasoline, right? Then the price in Istanbul will rise to 83
[01:02:35] liras. Yes, let it rise. Is another increase in gasoline
[01:02:38] expected tonight? You are so worried about fuel prices, Ms. Ebru.
[01:02:42] Let it go, forget it. We are coming from international markets. Are
[01:02:46] you living in Syria that you are so
[01:02:48] worried about it? You will react,
[01:02:51] but we live in Turkey. It has a cost of
[01:02:54] 500 billion dollars to the world for 18 dollars, and 100 billion dollars
[01:02:58] to us. We will reduce inflation, we will reduce the current account deficit.
[01:03:04] I've been saying for a week that we will march to Jerusalem. We will still march to Jerusalem. So, where
[01:03:08] this cause exists,
[01:03:11] you don't look at the price. If you look at the price in the face
[01:03:14] of the sanctity and value of the cause, you are betraying the cause.
[01:03:17] Don't betray the cause. We have a cause.
[01:03:20] Even if there is dry onion at home, onions have become expensive. It can only
[01:03:24] drop by 50. If we knew the cause,
[01:03:28] hocam, for the sake of the cause, look.
[01:03:30] "We are being crushed under such big operations.
[01:03:33] It doesn't happen a day, I say, or a year
[01:03:36] doesn't pass, or they do it gradually. Look, in
[01:03:39] 2018-19, they carried out an onion and potato operation
[01:03:43] against Turkey. Chicken... Just recently, they carried
[01:03:46] out a chicken operation. Chicken farmers
[01:03:49] increased prices. Now, vegetable sellers,
[01:03:52] greengrocers, that is, greengrocers, together with
[01:03:55] external forces, are carrying out an operation against Turkey.
[01:03:59] We are taking measures against these, carrying out
[01:04:02] operations and catching these internal agents of external forces,
[01:04:06] the barons, onion and potato barons, greengrocer barons. We will catch
[01:04:19] a meeting of the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality Council
[01:04:22] is being held. At the council meeting, an AK Party council
[01:04:25] member shouts at a CHP council member, "Where is
[01:04:28] your husband?"
[01:04:37] friends,
[01:04:43] Look, dear council members, we all have
[01:04:45] families. Almighty God makes a servant rich
[01:04:49] or poor.
[01:04:50] It is not appropriate,
[01:04:54] shameful, and immoral for a human
[01:04:57] to mock, joke about, try to belittle someone,
[01:05:00] or ask, "Where is your wife? Where is your husband?"
[01:05:03] It is immoral, immoral. What do you mean,
[01:05:07] where is your husband? Who are you to ask such a question?
[01:05:10] Friends, yes,
[01:05:28] do with politics. I mean, while discussing political
[01:05:32] developments here, what happened in the IBB council,
[01:05:36] a sentence that a woman should say to another woman,
[01:05:39] but with a different implication beneath it.
[01:05:42] She is a Bakırköy Municipality Council member, as far as
[01:05:46] I know, and also a lawyer friend. Probably,
[01:05:49] I don't know, but her husband might have something to
[01:05:53] do with the IBB case. There might be an arrest
[01:05:56] there as well. Yes, I honestly don't know,
[01:06:00] but this could be a company bankruptcy or falling into a difficult
[01:06:04] situation. Because a person can be rich or poor. It could be something
[01:06:08] else, but politics should not be done through families,
[01:06:12] spouses, or children. It shouldn't be. That's why
[01:06:15] this is not politics, it's really shameful. I think the reaction
[01:06:19] of IBB Deputy Chairman Nuri Bey is very appropriate and very
[01:06:22] justified. Why is she asking about her husband? What will
[01:06:26] she do with her husband? If she can carry on a discussion
[01:06:30] there, she should ask a question directly to him, and this discussion
[01:06:34] should be held between the two women there, over the activities
[01:06:37] of IBB. IBB, as of yesterday,
[01:06:40] with its successful works, also cleared all its tax debts
[01:06:44] and SGK debts. They should talk about this, discuss this.
[01:06:48] President Nuri should explain how this was done and set
[01:06:52] an example for other municipalities. The performance
[01:06:55] of a municipality whose president has been arrested
[01:06:59] for approximately 1.5 years should be discussed. But unfortunately,
[01:07:02] a shameful process is taking place here, where politics is
[01:07:05] being dragged into different areas. Families should not be
[01:07:09] discussed, children should not be discussed. Unfortunately,
[01:07:12] we have been talking about this a lot in the last few years.
[01:07:15] Unfortunately, while we are talking about what
[01:07:19] else politics is talking about, a friend is writing
[01:07:22] this.
[01:07:26] Her husband is the Şişli Mayor's Assistant since March 19th.
[01:07:30] He is not outside, he is a fugitive. Yes, he is a fugitive.
[01:07:34] That's why she says this, she implies this.
[01:07:37] But she had a feud with him before.
[01:07:40] She had a feud with him,
[01:07:42] that's why she says these kinds of things,
[01:07:46] she makes accusations.
[01:07:49] If she is causing such a discussion because
[01:07:53] of her own private feud, saying,
[01:07:55] "Where is your husband?"
[01:07:58] Yesterday in Turkey, we explained
[01:08:01] in detail the legal situation of Ekrem İmamoğlu.
[01:08:04] What was it about the Mayor of Tuzla?
[01:08:07] He was acquitted twice.
[01:08:11] After two acquittals,
[01:08:13] after the acquittal decision, Ekrem İmamoğlu's appeal
[01:08:17] is overturned, saying that the defendant's
[01:08:19] statement was not taken. Normally, this
[01:08:22] should not be overturned either. It is in favor of the defendant,
[01:08:26] you have been acquitted. While Ekrem İmamoğlu's
[01:08:30] statement should have been taken, the car broke down on the
[01:08:34] way, Ekrem İmamoğlu was not taken to the case, he was
[01:08:37] sent back. The prison
[01:08:40] transfer vehicle broke down, or rather, it was sent
[01:08:44] back on the grounds that it broke down. Just then, the
[01:08:47] judge changes. The new judge, while he should
[01:08:51] have taken Ekrem İmamoğlu's statement, in addition to
[01:08:55] taking the statement, he also gives a political
[01:08:58] ban and punishment for over two years.
[01:09:01] Now we are facing such a system. In such a
[01:09:05] system, it was decided to retry this case,
[01:09:08] to re-examine it. Now, a question comes
[01:09:12] to mind: will the punishment be overturned? Now, in
[01:09:16] such a system, the friend says, "Where
[01:09:19] is your husband? Where is your husband?"
[01:09:21] I wonder where you will
[01:09:25] be. I really wonder where you will be.
[01:09:28] Look, Turkey is going somewhere, it's going somewhere else.
[01:09:32] Our judicial system,
[01:09:35] we have established such a system over dissidents that
[01:09:39] I will say it again, I am saying this because
[01:09:42] it is symbolic, not because
[01:09:45] I am one.
[01:09:48] In return for 40,000 martyrs,
[01:09:51] you give Öcalan a villa.
[01:09:53] You imprison
[01:09:55] Ekrem İmamoğlu, Ekrem İmamoğlu from Trabzon.
[01:09:59] How will you express anything in the
[01:10:02] country when you establish such a system? Moreover,
[01:10:06] the woman's husband is a municipal council
[01:10:09] member, and you ask about her husband
[01:10:12] while he is on duty. If there were any
[01:10:16] inconvenience or illness, he wouldn't be
[01:10:19] in the council. Ask yourselves, how do so
[01:10:23] many judges change, how do cases change
[01:10:25] like this, how are they piled up, how are cases opened,
[01:10:29] what kind of process are we going through?
[01:10:32] I mean, the process we are experiencing
[01:10:35] is not a normal process, but the lady can
[01:10:39] ask like this, she can say like this. I mean,
[01:10:42] it's arrogance, hocam, excessive,
[01:10:46] there is an excessive intoxication of power,
[01:10:49] there is a very excessive intoxication of
[01:10:52] power. To oppress, to cause pain,
[01:10:55] to take away their basic
[01:10:58] rights, I mean, there is already a broken home there,
[01:11:02] to take away their basic rights. When a
[01:11:05] cause is involved, normally
[01:11:07] normal people would not do such a thing. For example,
[01:11:11] normal people would react to such pains and oppressions
[01:11:15] normally, but when you introduce a cause, that cause,
[01:11:18] we saw this in the Fethullah Gülen incidents, in the Gülenists,
[01:11:22] in the Fethullah Gülen incident. What was it?
[01:11:26] When a cause is in question,
[01:11:29] many sins can be turned into
[01:11:32] good deeds. If you add
[01:11:35] religious causes to political
[01:11:38] events, there are no limits
[01:11:42] to what you can do to the people
[01:11:46] in front of you. You go too far. This country
[01:11:49] has to face this process. For example,
[01:11:52] Mr. Devlet Bahçeli has a state stance, doesn't he?
[01:11:56] I am saying it clearly then, Mr. Bahçeli,
[01:11:59] a state's, think of the 16 Turkish states
[01:12:02] in history, the continuity of a state is
[01:12:05] the establishment of its institutional structure.
[01:12:08] If a country's state's institutional structure
[01:12:12] starts to... protect the state, Devlet
[01:12:16] Bahçeli, protect the state.
[01:12:19] When the institutional structure collapses or is
[01:12:22] damaged, for example, we say the justice index, don't we?
[01:12:25] The judicial index in Turkey, when these collapse,
[01:12:29] the state does not collapse at that moment, the state
[01:12:32] collapses slowly later. If the Republic of Turkey
[01:12:36] is to live forever, it must face this
[01:12:39] institutional structure and correct it.
[01:12:43] If we cannot correct this, the institutional structure
[01:12:46] of the Republic of Turkey will suffer serious damage,
[01:12:49] and we will suffer greatly. One of the reasons for the
[01:12:52] poverty and destitution we are experiencing today
[01:12:55] is this. The collapse of the institutional structure.
[01:12:59] Of course, what is happening? For example, Ülkü
[01:13:03] İnan explained that the Tuzla Municipal Council member,
[01:13:05] as you know, also reacted to Ali Eran Bingöl
[01:13:09] and said, "I apologize to the people of Tuzla for wanting
[01:13:12] you. You also owe an apology." Amine Cansu
[01:13:16] Çelik, Üsküdar Council member, visited the arrested.
[01:13:18] She hadn't seen her daughter for 11 full days.
[01:13:22] The child saw her mother crying on the 11th day, after first
[01:13:26] calling her aunt. Of course,
[01:13:29] the child is 3 years old, her mother
[01:13:32] is in prison, her father is probably
[01:13:36] ill. People are experiencing these things. Now, on top
[01:13:39] of all this, to stand up and ask, "Where is your husband?"
[01:13:43] They put Çelik in custody. My God.
[01:13:46] I said this at the financial branch, "We came
[01:13:49] on our own." This woman, when the
[01:13:52] prosecutor called her before, said, "My state called me,
[01:13:56] I came." She said, "If they call me again,
[01:13:59] I will come again." They called again, we came again, we came
[01:14:03] on our own, and you placed us under arrest without even
[01:14:06] taking our statement. We were told this: "We didn't
[01:14:10] pick you up from your house, what more do you want?"
[01:14:12] Can someone be arrested without a statement after
[01:14:16] being called for a statement? Amine Cansu Çelik,
[01:14:19] when our chairman Sinem Delitaş was arrested, did she
[01:14:23] run away? They called her, she came, they called her, she came.
[01:14:26] She has a 4-year-old daughter. We entered the police station,
[01:14:29] and her statement was taken only on the fourth day,
[01:14:32] and none of our defenses, none of our words
[01:14:34] were listened to. Amine Cansu Çelik did not
[01:14:38] see her daughter for 11 days. 4-year-old
[01:14:41] Mina, last Saturday,
[01:14:44] Mina visited her mother in prison after 11 days,
[01:14:47] and that child, that child saw her mother crying and
[01:14:50] first called her aunt, do you know, Madam President?"
[01:14:53] "There, our eyes filled with tears, the prison
[01:14:57] guards cried, because her aunt has been looking after
[01:15:00] her for 11 days. For 11 days, she hasn't received
[01:15:04] a call from her mother, she doesn't know where her mother
[01:15:07] is. How do you explain this to a 4-year-old child?
[01:15:10] Of course, she has no concept, when she sees her mother,
[01:15:25] and after seeing what happened
[01:15:29] in the AK Party, she resigned
[01:15:33] from the AK Party. She switched
[01:15:36] to the IBB side, which is managed
[01:15:39] by Ekrem İmamoğlu. She changed sides.
[01:15:42] Now, a mother,
[01:15:45] I'm speaking in the language of the government,
[01:15:49] a very suitable thing according to their criteria,
[01:15:52] Amine Cansu Çelik, yes, and look
[01:15:55] how she is taken into custody and thrown in, she is called
[01:15:58] for a statement, as far as I understand, and then
[01:16:02] she is taken into custody,
[01:16:16] you showed on screen earlier, the earthquake of February
[01:16:19] 6, 2023, was a ruin. Yes, it's painful.
[01:16:23] These processes, the events we are talking about, are unfortunately
[01:16:26] not independent of each other. Currently, there is an incredible
[01:16:29] situation of impunity. I mean, that contractor, those who
[01:16:33] cut columns, those who carried out renovation works, even
[01:16:36] though there are expert reports. Last week, we talked about
[01:16:40] Üsküdar Municipality, we talked about an election made
[01:16:43] in a technical sense in Üsküdar Municipality, but today there is
[01:16:47] news in the newspapers, all newspapers are sharing it.
[01:16:50] One of the transferred municipal council members gives a statement
[01:16:53] to the journalists, saying that he was offered
[01:16:56] the position of Deputy Mayor, and he accepted.
[01:17:00] So, there is a position, a duty offered to him. He resigns
[01:17:04] from his party because of a duty or position
[01:17:07] offered to him, he switches to another
[01:17:10] party and votes for this party. But what
[01:17:14] did we talk about again yesterday? We talked about the Absolute
[01:17:17] Nullity Case. We talked about the CHP management withdrawing
[01:17:20] its decision seen at the Court of Cassation regarding the Absolute Nullity
[01:17:24] case. Why did the Absolute Nullity case arise? The purchase
[01:17:28] of delegate will. The main reason was this. Even
[01:17:31] though there was no concrete evidence, money was given to delegates.
[01:17:35] Certain things were offered to delegates, and the delegate
[01:17:38] expressed their will in a different way. Therefore, it was claimed
[01:17:42] that this case should be considered absolutely null and void. But
[01:17:45] a council member in Üsküdar Municipality can say this:
[01:17:49] "They offered me the position of Deputy Mayor." So, has
[01:17:53] any process been initiated so far? Has any decision been
[01:17:56] made regarding Üsküdar Municipality? You shut down
[01:18:00] a huge party, meaning you practically took over
[01:18:03] the management of a party, you gave it to another
[01:18:06] team through legal means, and that team entered with the police.
[01:18:10] But what happened again? In a process where the Absolute
[01:18:14] Nullity case was being discussed, a journalist known for his
[01:18:17] closeness to the government writes an article and says
[01:18:20] that he met with certain judges in Ankara, with
[01:18:22] a certain group, and that the Absolute Nullity
[01:18:26] case will turn out in this way or that way. If
[01:18:30] we used the same sentences on this screen today,
[01:18:33] saying that we met with we met with a member, the court
[01:18:36] will make a decision like this or if we say that the rumors in Ankara are like this,
[01:18:40] immediately a disinformation law will be enforced against us,
[01:18:43] but this journalist immediately deleted the post he made
[01:18:47] on Twitter yesterday, that is, the post he made on Twitter Gix,
[01:18:50] and there is no sanction. This is actually impunity, that is, a certain
[01:18:54] bir cezasızlık yani toplumun belli kesimi belli
[01:18:57] isimler o yüzden bu şekilde pervassızca sorular sorabiliyor
[01:19:01] senin kocan nerede diye soru sorulabiliyor aslında bunların
[01:19:04] hepsi maalesef koreye gelmiş olan bir süreç.
[01:19:07] "Türkiye'de son dönemlerde bütün
[01:19:10] yaşanan süreci belki bir kavramla tartışmak ve bu çerçevede
[01:19:14] anlamlandırmak mümkün o da siyasetsizleştirme.
[01:19:17] Siyasetsizleştirmenin bir unsuru da pasifleştirmedir. Kastım
[01:19:21] şu, pasifleşmeden, siz yaşanan bütün siyasi
[01:19:24] olaylardan, toplumdaki cezasızlık sürecinden,
[01:19:27] kamusal alanda gördüğünüz birçok probleme dönük olarak çözüm
[01:19:31] bulamamasından dolayı kendinizi geri çekersiniz, ümidiniz
[01:19:34] kaybolur, umudunuz getirirsiniz, önünüz. anketler
[01:19:38] konulur, anketlerde öyle bir oy oranı yaşanır ki dersiniz, ben
[01:19:41] oy versem bile bak işte partim şu gerekçeden dolayı şöyle oy
[01:19:45] kaybediyor, veya bir cumhurbaşkanı adayı koymak isterseniz farklı
[01:19:49] suçlardan dolayı tutuklanır, başka bir cumhurbaşkanı adayı
[01:19:52] günün 24 saati konuşulur, tartışılır, çeşitli
[01:19:55] açılardan, çeşitli sıfatlarla değerlendirilir ve bunların hepsi
[01:19:59] aslında toplumun bir sürece iter, da pasifsizleştirme,
[01:20:03] toplumda vatandaşlar kendi yalnızlığına mahkum edilmek istenir,
[01:20:07] bireysel... leştirilir ve şöyle bir şey söyler vatandaş, bu
[01:20:10] ülkeden bir şey olmaz, bu toplumdan bir şey olmaz,
[01:20:13] siyasetten bir şey olmaz, siyasetteki yaşanan transferler de
[01:20:17] maalesef buna hizmet eder. İbrahim Bey'in
[01:20:20] bahsettiği isim çok önemli şu an ekranlara geliyor, yine ben bir kez daha
[01:20:24] Ekrem Baki'yi anmak istiyorum. Aynı şekilde Ekrem Baki de çok önemli bir
[01:20:28] isim, da belli bir toplum kesimini temsil
[01:20:31] eden, gerçekten de muhafazakar kesimde sözü
[01:20:34] sahibi olan bir isim. Ekrem Baki şu an nerede? Kendi? yine
[01:20:37] tutuklu. Neden tutuklu? Bilemiyoruz. IBB davalarıyla
[01:20:41] ilişkileyla IBB binasına malzeme alımından
[01:20:44] evet.
[01:20:48] Başkanlık makamın konutuna. Yani Ülkü
[01:20:51] hanım'ın dün anlatmış olduğu ve ekranlara getirdiğiniz
[01:20:55] görüntüler gerçekten işler acısı insanların aileleriyle,
[01:20:59] çocuklarıyla sınandığı bir süreçten geçiyoruz. Türkiye tabii
[01:21:02] ki yargısal anlamda, hukuksal anlamda her zaman çok problemli
[01:21:05] dönemler yaşamıştır, geçirmiştir. ama ailelerin bu kadar çok
[01:21:09] konuşulduğu, çocukların ağladığı veya ağlatıldığı
[01:21:12] 4 yaşındaki bir kız çocuğunun anne, teyze teyze
[01:21:16] anne dediği bir süreci ben inanın yaşamadım, görmedim,
[01:21:19] hatırlamıyorum, bu gerçekten
[01:21:21] ailelerin, ki 11 gün sonra
[01:21:24] karşılaşabilecekleri kadar bir süre geçmiş, evet gözaltı
[01:21:28] tutuklama değil mi doğru anlıyorum, evet Ebru
[01:21:31] hanım, yani gerçekten çok zor bir süreç, yani biz bu IBB davalarıyla belli
[01:21:34] şeyleri yaşadık, çok unutuyoruz ama çocuk. Kumbarasının
[01:21:38] eee televizyon ekranlarında konu olduğu, kumbaralardan şu
[01:21:41] kadar para çıktığı, kumbaralarda şu kadar para
[01:21:44] konulmuş denilerek çocukların kumbarasının bile
[01:21:47] medyalaştırıldığı bir süreci yaşadık, o yüzden bu
[01:21:51] süreçler yine İbrahim Beye atıfta söyleyeceğim, unutulmayacak, yani gün
[01:21:54] gelecek, hatırlanacak, konuşulacak, o yüzden bugün
[01:21:57] belirli kesimler cezasızlık
[01:21:59] çerçevesinde belli bir güce dayanarak belli cümleler sarf
[01:22:03] edebiliyor, belli tavır veya pozisyonlar takınabiliyor ama
[01:22:06] eee gün gelecek.
[01:22:19] Adalar belediye başkanı tutuklandı ve içişleri bakanlığı tarafından görevden
[01:22:23] uzaklaştırıldı yerine seçim yapıldı CHP'li bir
[01:22:26] isim Medine Pamuk seçildi da sağlık gerekçeleriyle istifa
[01:22:29] etmiş 21 Eylül'de tekrar seçim var ya bir belediye
[01:22:33] ilçe belediyesi Adalar belediyesi ya işte yani
[01:22:36] Üsküdar. koça ilçe bunlar yani İstanbul'da 12
[01:22:40] ilçe mesela geçti yani
[01:22:43] CHP'den gitti geçti de geçmeyenler dahil
[01:22:46] segment of society, certain
[01:22:50] names, that's why they can ask such impudent questions.
[01:22:53] Questions like "where is your husband" can be asked. In fact,
[01:22:56] all of these are unfortunately a process that has come to Korea.
[01:22:59] "In Turkey, in recent times, it is possible
[01:23:02] to discuss the entire process experienced with perhaps one concept
[01:23:05] and to make sense of it within this framework, and that is depoliticization.
[01:23:09] One element of depoliticization is passivization. What I mean is,
[01:23:11] from passivity, you withdraw yourself because you cannot
[01:23:15] find solutions to all the political events that have occurred,
[01:23:19] to the process of impunity in society, to many problems you see in the public sphere.
[01:23:23] Your hope is lost, your hope
[01:23:26] is diminished, polls are placed before you,
[01:23:29] and in the polls, such a vote share is experienced
[01:23:33] that you say, even if I vote, look, my party is losing votes like this
[01:23:36] for such and such a reason, or if you want to nominate a presidential candidate,
[01:23:40] they are arrested for different crimes, another presidential
[01:23:44] candidate is talked about, discussed
[01:23:47] 24 hours a day,
[01:23:51] from various angles, with various epithets, and all of these
[01:23:54] actually push society into a process, that is, passivization,
[01:23:57] citizens in society are tried to be condemned to their
[01:24:01] loneliness, they are individualized, and the citizen says something
[01:24:04] like this, nothing will come of this country, nothing will come of
[01:24:07] this society, nothing will come of politics, and unfortunately,
[01:24:11] the transfers in politics serve this. The name
[01:24:14] mentioned by Mr. İbrahim is very important, he is currently
[01:24:17] on the screens, I would like to commemorate Ekrem Baki once again.
[01:24:26] In the same way, Ekrem Baki is also a very important
[01:24:29] name, representing a certain segment of society,
[01:24:46] To the residence of the Presidency. That is,
[01:24:50] the images that Ms. Ülkü showed yesterday
[01:24:54] are truly heartbreaking. We are going through a process where people
[01:24:57] are tested with their families, with their children. Of course, Turkey
[01:25:00] has always experienced very problematic periods
[01:25:04] in terms of judiciary and law. But I have honestly
[01:25:07] not experienced, seen, or remembered a period where families
[01:25:11] were talked about so much, where children cried or were made
[01:25:15] to cry, where a 4-year-old girl said "mom, auntie, auntie,
[01:25:18] mom." This is truly a period where
[01:25:21] families, after 11 days,
[01:25:25] yes, are they in custody, not arrested, do I understand
[01:25:28] correctly, yes, Ms. Ebru, it is truly a very difficult
[01:25:32] process, that is, we experienced certain things with these IBB
[01:25:36] cases, we forget a lot, but the child's piggy bank
[01:25:39] became a topic on television screens, that so much money
[01:25:42] came out of piggy banks, that so much money was put
[01:25:45] into piggy banks, we experienced a process
[01:25:49] where even children's piggy banks were sensationalized, so
[01:25:52] these processes, I will say, referring to Mr. İbrahim, will not be
[01:25:56] forgotten, that is, the day will come, they will be remembered,
[01:26:00] they will be talked about, so today certain segments
[01:26:03] can utter certain sentences, or adopt certain attitudes or
[01:26:06] positions within the framework of impunity, but
[01:26:10] the day will come. The mayor of Adalar was arrested and
[01:26:13] removed from office by the Ministry of Interior, and an election was held,
[01:26:17] and Medine Pamuk from the CHP was elected. She resigned for health reasons.
[01:26:20] There will be an election again on September 21st. The Adalar municipality
[01:26:23] is a district municipality. That is, Üsküdar. These
[01:26:27] are large districts. That is, 12 districts in Istanbul,
[01:26:31] for example, passed. Even those
[01:26:34] who did not pass from the CHP are included.
[01:26:38] Look, tomorrow in this system, in this
[01:26:41] system, tomorrow no one will be a candidate
[01:26:45] from opposition parties for even municipal council membership.
[01:26:48] Do you know how it would be
[01:26:52] for someone to be a candidate? The person
[01:26:55] who is a candidate in this environment
[01:26:59] will either pursue a big plunder
[01:27:02] or risk their life to run for this
[01:27:05] candidacy. No one would do it now. Why?
[01:27:08] Get well soon, but after all these incidents
[01:27:11] of resigning for health reasons, is it possible that the mayors,
[01:27:14] almost, that is, the mayor's
[01:27:17] arrest is always an instant thing, "arrest
[01:27:21] him," he gets arrested, mayors are arrested,
[01:27:24] municipal council members are arrested, that is, even joining the municipal
[01:27:27] council as an opposition member has become equivalent to going
[01:27:30] to prison. That is, for everyone, the threshold for going to prison
[01:27:34] has fallen very low. For opponents, going to prison
[01:27:37] is imminent. Yes, the country... I mean, we have
[01:27:41] long gone off the rails. Today, you say operations
[01:27:44] against hoarders, I am telling you,
[01:27:47] Deniz Yavuz Yılmaz, the New Party Zonguldak Deputy, said, "We exempted
[01:27:51] BYD from taxes, we gave BYD incentives,
[01:27:54] but we applied a 40% tax on electric
[01:27:58] vehicles for other Chinese companies."
[01:28:00] This is being complained about to the World Trade
[01:28:04] Organization. Of course, it's complained about to the World Trade Organization. complaint.
[01:28:08] The objection is also very difficult, but we need to start as soon as possible.
[01:28:11] China can only do this: "Buy products from me,
[01:28:14] and buy them a bit expensively."
[01:28:18] If you allow me, there are many issues
[01:28:21] to be concerned about in this regard, but anyway, we continue
[01:28:25] like this. These events, of course, when evaluated
[01:28:28] individually, truly all point
[01:28:31] to a drama. The disruption of family
[01:28:35] integrity and so on is, of course, a treatment that
[01:28:38] people, people in the opposition,
[01:28:42] are subjected to. But
[01:28:45] I am disappointed because the attitude shown
[01:28:48] by the AKP council member close to the government just now,
[01:28:51] or I don't know, the attitudes adopted
[01:28:54] by some segments in the media
[01:28:58] fail them in my opinion. That is, any
[01:29:01] country, whatever the case, I don't know
[01:29:05] what the case is, this case doesn't serve
[01:29:08] much. So why are these things done
[01:29:11] and how will things
[01:29:15] proceed from now on?
[01:29:18] When you ask that, I give
[01:29:22] an answer. I had also expressed this in different
[01:29:25] places after the 2023 elections.
[01:29:28] Now, 200 is very important
[01:29:32] in Turkish political history, I'm sorry, excuse me,
[01:29:35] the 2024 local
[01:29:38] administrations election is very important
[01:29:42] in Turkish political history in my opinion, because for
[01:29:45] the first time, especially during the AKP rule
[01:29:49] of over 20 years, it was an election
[01:29:53] that caused politics to descend from the center
[01:29:57] to the local level. And
[01:30:00] this local politics passed into the hands
[01:30:03] of the opposition very strongly, and a political tool that the AKP
[01:30:06] had used very successfully at the local level
[01:30:09] was taken away from them. Of course, in Ankara
[01:30:12] there is a power, an authority, but it is not very possible
[01:30:15] for that authority to establish
[01:30:18] its relations with the people, to have contact
[01:30:21] with the people as before. Local
[01:30:25] administrations are very important in this regard, and
[01:30:28] the President." The staff of that day
[01:30:32] truly gained great power in this local politics
[01:30:36] and gained the opportunity to have direct contact
[01:30:40] with the people. They also passed this
[01:30:43] test, meaning, in our words, the construction
[01:30:46] of nurseries, city restaurants, social
[01:30:50] aid, student scholarships, both Mr. Mansur
[01:30:54] and Mr. Ekrem, in these matters,
[01:30:57] set an example not only for CHP municipalities
[01:31:00] but also for AKP municipalities, because
[01:31:04] we know that you change the name of city restaurants, and
[01:31:08] the AKP municipality does the same thing,
[01:31:11] neighborhood restaurant, neighborhood.
[01:31:15] Therefore, the CHP
[01:31:18] was able to connect with the people so much
[01:31:21] for the first time, it was able to get close
[01:31:25] to them from the center, so
[01:31:28] our President is a rather clever
[01:31:32] man, so he sees very well the shift
[01:31:35] in the center of gravity in politics, and
[01:31:37] he needs to break the contact
[01:31:41] of the municipalities, of the CHP opposition,
[01:31:44] with the people, because
[01:31:48] it is not possible for him to reach the people,
[01:31:52] to provide the same
[01:31:54] services from the center, there are no resources, and
[01:31:57] the roles of the center are very different, so
[01:32:01] he is doing what he has to do.
[01:32:05] And by conducting
[01:32:08] these operations against local
[01:32:11] administrations, he is creating a new systematic style of politics,
[01:32:15] so we are seeing the style of politics
[01:32:17] that the AKP designed and that we talked
[01:32:21] about here in the period between
[01:32:25] 2023 and 2028. Unfortunately, this will
[01:32:29] continue until the next elections, it does not
[01:32:32] allow this, because it has neither the tools nor the resources
[01:32:36] to substitute this, so it has to break
[01:32:40] the contact of the opposition, especially the new party
[01:32:43] and other opposition parties,
[01:32:46] with the people by keeping local governments
[01:32:50] under pressure. And while this is being done,
[01:32:53] these events appear as individual
[01:32:56] events within the general picture, but those individual
[01:33:00] events cause social deformation, moral
[01:33:03] deformation. What we are experiencing here, and
[01:33:07] the answers given by the authorities
[01:33:10] to this lady, are not very acceptable.
[01:33:13] I don't want to repeat it, but she said it herself,
[01:33:16] that is, this is
[01:33:20] arrogance and
[01:33:23] feeling power behind you.
[01:33:26] These authorities, bureaucratic authorities,
[01:33:29] council members and so on, these kinds of things are not
[01:33:45] moral. These events need
[01:33:48] to be evaluated by looking at the general
[01:33:51] picture. Unfortunately, people, as in Üsküdar,
[01:33:55] can be content with a vice
[01:33:59] presidency. That is, people can be this cheap, right, as Professor
[01:34:03] Barış said? Yes, or I don't
[01:34:07] know, the person who said to
[01:34:10] the lady in the municipality, "where is your husband?"
[01:34:13] I don't know who she is, I don't know her,
[01:34:16] she probably thinks she's doing justice to
[01:34:19] the podium there, a political career, but there is something
[01:34:23] called basic decency. In politics, this decency
[01:34:26] is gone. Before, wasn't there basic decency
[01:34:28] among politicians? Yes, I mean, maybe in Ankara,
[01:34:31] in some segments, they are trying to maintain the old
[01:34:35] political language, but what is being done,
[01:34:38] the politics currently being implemented in the country,
[01:34:42] is not reflected at the grass roots like this. At the grass
[01:34:45] roots, there is a fierce struggle,
[01:34:48] jungle law, particularly, for example,
[01:34:51] Professor, you know the Black Sea, in the Black Sea,
[01:34:55] neighborhoods, houses
[01:34:56] became separated, everything
[01:34:59] became separated, that is, separation, as they sometimes say,
[01:35:03] I mean, in Turkey, politics is managed by certain people,
[01:35:06] 86 million brothers, what brothers? Brotherhood is over,
[01:35:10] kinship is over, neighborhoods are over, everything is separated.
[01:35:14] I didn't do this. If it is like this,
[01:35:17] you will be separated, of course. What separations there are,
[01:35:21] what separation stories there are. Look, I will continue from
[01:35:25] what you just said. The social
[01:35:28] activities of municipalities pose a great danger to the government.
[01:35:31] Why do they pose a great danger? For example, municipalities
[01:35:35] build dormitories, IBB builds dormitories. How can you,
[01:35:39] as IBB, build dormitories? For example, I experienced it, friends,
[01:35:42] I am not ashamed to say this again and again,
[01:35:45] I have said it many times, when I came to Istanbul
[01:35:49] in 1988, it was a community dormitory the first night.
[01:35:52] The structure of the thing was clear, the first night I was on my suitcases
[01:35:55] in Beyazıt Square at 2 AM,
[01:35:59] because they imprison you. Now, as a municipality,
[01:36:02] for us to organize
[01:36:05] FETO structures in such and such places,
[01:36:09] children need to go to community dormitories, to dormitories
[01:36:11] of such structures. How can you prevent this, how can
[01:36:15] you, as a municipality, build dormitories for children,
[01:36:18] how can you make it cheap? Look, yesterday
[01:36:20] Nuri Aslan,
[01:36:24] the vice president of IBB,
[01:36:28] announced packages for students.
[01:36:31] Serious packages, I tell you, Ankara was very disturbed
[01:36:35] by this. That is, how can you make a bus ticket 1
[01:36:39] lira for students? How do you do
[01:36:42] this? Mahir Polat yesterday
[01:36:46] in Istanbul made many
[01:36:49] museum places 1 lira
[01:36:53] for citizens. These are worrying, troubling
[01:36:57] steps. Wasn't it transportation, that museum
[01:37:00] card? One of them was transportation announced
[01:37:04] by Nuri Aslan, and the other
[01:37:07] supports for students announced by Mahir Polat
[01:37:10] were supports for citizens. The museum card
[01:37:14] for museums, children can visit
[01:37:17] for 1 lira. Now these are practices
[01:37:20] that cause serious problems for the government.
[01:37:24] The AK Party also joined the tension between the governor
[01:37:27] and the new party, as you know, and when
[01:37:30] the governor said "yours," the new party members asked,
[01:37:33] "If we are yours,
[01:37:35] who are ours?"
[01:37:37] So,
[01:37:40] there was a chain of discussions.
[01:37:43] The Kaşif Kozinoğlu
[01:37:46] investigation is ongoing, as you know. Yesterday,
[01:37:50] the scriptwriters of Kurtlar Vadisi were called to testify
[01:37:53] as witnesses. Now, Rasim
[01:37:57] Kütahyalı also announced on
[01:38:00] his social media that everyone is asking
[01:38:03] if he was called as a witness in the Kurtlar Vadisi Investigation
[01:38:07] in the capacity of an informed person. Yes, I was called.
[01:38:10] He said that he will testify as a witness within this
[01:38:14] scope due to his articles and news reports. He says
[01:38:17] in the capacity of an informed person. It is said
[01:38:21] in the capacity of an informed person. So, I am expressing
[01:38:24] it correctly, right? That is,
[01:38:27] as a witness. In the capacity
[01:38:30] of an informed person, they are giving testimony.
[01:38:34] Now, speaking of Kozinoğlu, there is also this:
[01:38:37] Years ago, when these cases were being heard,
[01:38:40] everyone said, "This cannot be,
[01:38:43] this cannot be." They said it, they became
[01:38:47] Ergenekonists. Recall the process
[01:38:50] of the Balyoz and Ergenekon cases. Those arrests
[01:38:53] were criticized. People
[01:38:56] expressed their objections
[01:39:07] to the form of arrest, to the process there,
[01:39:11] objections to evidence and documents were expressed,
[01:39:15] secret witnesses were much talked
[01:39:31] you know, the Kurtlar Vadisi series was constantly shown
[01:39:35] on screens, and everyone watched it. I hadn't
[01:39:38] watched it, but two days ago,
[01:39:42] Kazım Kaşifoğlu was attacked.
[01:39:44] It was the same in prison, I hadn't watched it either,
[01:39:48] but I found that scene, that episode.
[01:39:52] Yes, there is a long-haired character named Kaşif Kozinoğlu,
[01:39:56] and he is attacked.
[01:40:27] On November 10, 2011,
[01:40:36] he was in prison, this long-haired character
[01:40:39] who was a state intelligence officer, Kazım Kaşifoğlu,
[01:40:42] in the series, he is an MIT officer,
[01:40:46] responsible for international affairs. Kaşif
[01:40:49] Kozinoğlu is also arrested within this framework,
[01:40:53] and he dies two days later. That is, in the series,
[01:40:57] there is an attack, he dies in the series first,
[01:41:00] then he doesn't die in the series, he dies in December in the series,
[01:41:04] they don't kill him in the series, they attempt to kill him
[01:41:08] and threaten him, then Kaşif Kozinoğlu dies
[01:41:11] two days later. He arrives at the hospital
[01:41:15] already deceased when going to Silivri State Hospital.
[01:41:18] His grave was opened on Saturday. Now,
[01:41:21] the scriptwriters of the series were also
[01:41:25] asked by the prosecutor,
[01:42:27] "These cannot be so coincidental, there are so many coincidences,
[01:42:30] did someone give you information, did someone interfere with the script,
[01:42:34] dictate it?" That is, he is attacked in the series,
[01:42:37] he dies two days later. He doesn't die in this episode,
[01:42:41] he dies in December. He is attacked in this episode
[01:42:44] on November 10th, then he dies on November 12th.
[01:42:48] Kozinoğlu, therefore, after the death
[01:43:02] "FG 2020."
[01:43:06] 16. Is "FG"
[01:43:09] Fetullah Gulen? It could be.
[01:43:13] Some names are shown in the cemetery and so on.
[01:43:16] There are names written like this in the cemetery.
[01:43:20] For example, there's always a message like this.
[01:43:24] The events in Syria, we have
[01:43:28] seen such structures
[01:43:31] in Samanyolu, too. In Samanyolu, Gulenists, FETO members,
[01:43:35] were making and broadcasting such things one after
[01:43:38] another. I remember that it was aired
[01:43:42] on Samanyolu first, then it was real life. I'm not very familiar
[01:43:46] with this TV series. I watched
[01:43:50] its film. It also had movies
[01:43:53] in cinemas, and yes, that wasn't
[01:43:57] watched much, but the series was watched a lot,
[01:44:00] it broke rating records. For example, the issues
[01:44:03] in the films, like what's on Turkey's
[01:44:07] foreign policy agenda,
[01:44:11] were being made into a script. Right? That's how I remember
[01:44:14] it, with license plates, cars, cemeteries, names like
[01:44:18] that. It's not just a coincidence. It was '61, look, this
[01:44:22] 34 FG, if you look at it backwards,
[01:44:25] July 16, etc.
[01:44:28] Yes, it was a bit couldn't
[01:44:31] live, almost, I mean, at that time,
[01:44:34] those who were not close to the FG were being thrown in jail,
[01:44:37] the FG.
[01:44:40] Let me tell you something, Müsihat, Müsihat
[01:44:44] is attending a meeting in a country in Africa,
[01:44:46] Müsihat. The FG members, I mean
[01:44:49] the Fethullahists, I'm saying it with the term of that time, the FG members,
[01:45:03] They leave it in the dark. So,
[01:45:06] at that time, CHP had established on Thursday evenings,
[01:45:10] not close to FG had no chance to live, no chance to go
[01:45:14] on its own day and at its own no chance of not being thrown in jail
[01:45:17] by being associated with these different organizations,
[01:45:21] the AK Party is cleaning these up right now,
[01:45:24] it's cleaning up things, Barış Hodja, I will give you the last word,
[01:45:28] about each other, understood the irony,
[01:45:31] I think they understood, everyone understood, our viewers
[01:45:35] are very understanding, they understand,
[01:45:38] uh, now... uh, the images of
[01:45:42] Karaydar from Van, throwing is being prepared.
[01:45:45] wearing gold, not caring we also need to ask this:
[01:45:49] Çağlaöz was also arrested, but those images
[01:45:52] are circulating a lot, the man was constantly about a lot back then.
[01:45:56] As you pointed out, those who spoke anyway, he is arrested, his wife was
[01:45:58] to the opposite accusations, is it forbidden to get married in a new party
[01:46:02] the state to be cleansed, Uh,
[01:46:05] you say, uh, why was the man arrested, he got married, it's not clear
[01:46:08] what kind of work you do.
[01:46:13] But we haven't seen them for the first time in Turkey, you constantly
[01:46:16] why these cases are being reopened after
[01:46:20] 15 years. The AK Party government
[01:46:24] came to power with operations I don't know if the others
[01:46:27] Turkey is now confronting the old Turkey,
[01:46:31] which was CHP. The AK Party is now confronting
[01:46:34] would you do such a thing? I that arrested Kaşif Kozinoğlu.
[01:46:38] Professor, absolutely, In my opinion, those who earn easy money
[01:46:41] I hope no one believes Do people
[01:46:44] have to know even the console of your car?
[01:46:47] There must be a reason, then you stand out, you ask where
[01:46:51] of Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı's and he says I rented it,
[01:46:55] that's not it, how many tribal
[01:46:58] with the power of the media, Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı
[01:47:02] guy just threw foreign currency.
[01:47:05] I don't know about those, it's not a wedding, the man is withdrawing his foreign currency.
[01:47:08] What kind of business do these people do?
[01:47:12] Is it that easy? One of them sets up a fund, earns money
[01:47:14] from the fund.
[01:47:17] The other one is a vegetable wholesaler, he earns money
[01:47:20] from that. So, in this country, isn't there anyone who does a proper
[01:47:23] job and earns money? No, I don't know, teacher, it's impossible
[01:47:27] to do these with a salary, it's not
[01:47:30] possible. You can't even buy a tire for your car with a salary,
[01:47:33] this is not a salary, there are other and talking impudently.
[01:47:37] police and the prosecutor are investigating.
[01:47:41] They come if you throw dollars, asking where you found it, right?
[01:47:44] Barış Övgün, thank you very much, it was a bit of a
[01:47:47] busy traffic, but thank you for your support.
[01:55:50] Everyone's dream after working for years is to
[01:55:53] own a home to call their own. In the past, you could
[01:55:56] buy a house with a retirement bonus, but this
[01:55:59] gets harder and harder as years pass. Today, a retirement
[01:56:02] bonus is not enough even for a car, let alone a house. We asked the public,
[01:56:06] what can you buy at most with a retirement bonus today,
[01:56:09] what is it enough for? Nothing can be bought, nothing, nothing
[01:56:13] miserable, the retiree is miserable.
[01:56:16] We cannot buy anything of high material value, you cannot buy real estate, you
[01:56:20] can make a down payment, or it can be used for
[01:56:24] Now, nothing can be bought,
[01:56:28] not even a car. I miss the old days, it was so
[01:56:31] good back then, I mean, you can't buy and eat two or three kinds of fruit.
[01:56:35] That's what I do, what can I do, my daughter? If you don't manage, we'll lose
[01:56:38] our way home, my daughter. What can we do?
[01:56:42] It's not enough for anything, it's not enough for anything, we are still
[01:56:45] working at this age.
[01:56:47] I collect paper from markets, I collect things.
[01:56:51] You used to buy cars.
[01:56:54] People used to wonder, "Oh, I want to retire." Now
[01:56:58] it's just a money pouch. May God help us. One packet of seeds
[01:57:01] is 25 lira, calculate it, you can't even buy seeds.
[01:57:05] I wish it was 10 lira, 5 lira. I'm 69,
[01:57:08] you could buy a house for 10 lira a year, 10 lira.
[01:57:11] Now, those who have children can
[01:57:15] own a house. In the past, people could buy houses
[01:57:18] with their retirement bonuses, they could buy cars,
[01:57:21] at worst, they could make investments.
[01:57:25] But now, unfortunately, such a thing is not possible.
[01:57:28] I mean, they go on holiday as a family, I mean,
[01:57:30] I have a one-month retirement
[01:57:33] salary. I just ate at their place and came. May
[01:57:36] God bless those who invented
[01:57:39] them. As for my clothes, I manage
[01:57:42] with my son's clothes. For investment, maybe they buy
[01:57:46] some dollars or gold and put it aside, and
[01:57:49] try to live off the interest. Daughter, you've already
[01:57:53] paid the money for years, in rain, snow,
[01:57:56] and winter, you paid
[01:57:59] so give them something so they can relax.
[01:58:03] Nothing will happen, a car,
[01:59:05] The Chief Public Prosecutor's Office also says that,
[01:59:08] uh, we did not summon him for a statement,
[01:59:12] we did not take his statement, there is no such
[01:59:15] situation, they made a statement. We are sharing it with you as a last-minute update.
[01:59:18] A denial came from the Silivri Chief Public Prosecutor's Office
[01:59:21] to Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı. They say we did not summon
[01:59:24] him for a statement, his statement was not taken. Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı
[01:59:28] tweet on his social media account,
[01:59:31] he said, "I'm going to give a statement." Details about this topic.
[01:59:35] In the Kozinoğlu investigation, successive
[01:59:38] detentions, we
[01:59:42] saw the exhumation process, and then we shared with you
[01:59:46] that the screenwriters of Kurtlar Vadisi were summoned for a statement.
[01:59:49] A statement came saying, "The Valley depicts society,
[01:59:52] we had no communication with any power center."
[01:59:56] We will also elaborate on their statements. Finally, there is such
[02:00:00] a development regarding Rasim Ozan Kütahyalı. Now,
[02:00:03] yes, let's start, let Tuğberk İmamoğlu's captain come. Tuğberk
[02:00:06] İmamoğlu's captain was found dead. A lifeless body was found
[02:00:10] off the coast of Silivri yesterday around 1:15 PM,
[02:00:14] then it was taken to the port. Of course, its structure was
[02:00:17] deteriorated due to saltwater, uh, that
[02:00:21] lifeless body, the examinations at the forensic medicine institution
[02:00:24] were completed, it turned out to be Tuğberk
[02:00:28] İmamoğlu's captain.
[02:00:34] price operation in food took place,
[02:00:37] and there are many
[02:00:40] issue, the operation was launched in 22 years, against 41
[02:00:44] vegetable and fruit distributors...