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[00:00:01] detailed information
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[00:00:11] Turkey's energy storage. Orbus.
[00:00:28] It's Sunday, September 20. You're on Halk TV. You're with us in Söz
[00:00:32] Sende. We'll be with you on these screens for 5 hours today, Sunday, September
[00:00:35] 20. Of course, with our esteemed
[00:00:40] and I wrote a message guests, we will try to understand and
[00:00:42] make sense of this hot agenda.
[00:00:46] There are many important developments to discuss, and of course, it's also
[00:00:49] an evening where breaking news follows one another.
[00:00:53] Dear viewers, when we
[00:00:56] His house was raided. look at it, what has Turkey been talking about for a few days? The question
[00:01:00] on the agenda is whether the payment problems that started
[00:01:04] in the portfolio, followed by the CMB liquidating
[00:01:07] 131 funds belonging to 7 portfolio
[00:01:10] companies after all these events, are turning into
[00:01:14] a huge, or even massive, crisis.
[00:01:16] More than 514,000 investors are now
[00:01:20] wondering what to do. So, did
[00:01:23] this fund crisis come with our eyes wide open? That's the question on everyone's mind.
[00:01:27] An statement made by the Minister of Treasury and Finance, Mr.
[00:01:30] Mehmet, 10 months ago, "We
[00:01:33] see manipulation," raises the question: Why
[00:01:36] was it waited for 10 months? How
[00:01:39] did the damage grow day by day,
[00:01:42] and where are we today? Who will cover this
[00:01:46] damage? Will it be reflected as a new
[00:01:49] burden on the citizens? We will discuss all these. And of course, there was a hot
[00:01:52] development of the day: a fund investigation was
[00:01:56] requested. There are other headlines as well, the political
[00:02:00] agenda is also hot, of course, for the citizens. We'll discuss everything with our
[00:02:03] esteemed guests. With your permission, I would like to introduce
[00:02:07] my guests first. Look who is in our studio this
[00:02:10] Sunday evening. Let's explain immediately. Good Party Aydın
[00:02:13] MP Süleyman Bülbül is with us. Welcome, Mr. Bülbül. Journalist
[00:02:16] Bahadır Özgür is our program partner. Today is very, very
[00:02:19] important. Bahadır Özgür has things to tell, especially with
[00:02:23] this fund crisis. Let's say hello to Bahadır Özgür, good evening. I turn
[00:02:27] to my right. Public opinion researcher and sociologist
[00:02:31] Sebih Tunç is with us. Welcome, welcome. And economist
[00:02:35] Ömer Rifat Gençal is with us. Welcome. Now, the agenda is hot,
[00:02:38] there are indeed very, very important developments.
[00:02:41] We will discuss all of them. In the
[00:02:44] meantime, the director shared with me the information that
[00:02:47] İyi Party Bursa MP Selçuk Türkoğlu is also
[00:02:51] ready via remote connection. Let's say hello immediately. Good evening, Mr. Türkoğlu,
[00:02:54] welcome. Hello, good evening, good broadcasts. Greetings
[00:02:57] from Ankara. Thank you. We send our love and
[00:03:01] greetings from Istanbul to Ankara. Now, let's start immediately. Actually,
[00:03:04] it was yesterday, or rather, Friday, when Özgür
[00:03:08] Özel, the new party leader Özgür Özel, made important
[00:03:11] statements in Bursa and said,
[00:03:14] regarding this crisis we are experiencing,
[00:03:18] "I will ask some names soon, let them be prepared."
[00:03:22] He said, "I will ask if you
[00:03:25] made a transaction, when you bought it, when you sold
[00:03:28] it." Therefore,
[00:03:39] we say fund crisis, but do you think this crisis
[00:03:43] we are experiencing has a name? What
[00:03:46] do you say? The name of this crisis is fraud, qualified
[00:03:49] fraud. As a lawyer, I am saying that public
[00:03:52] duty, public supervision, public
[00:03:56] oversight duties are pushed aside. I am setting aside
[00:03:58] the principles of presumption of innocence and right
[00:04:02] to be forgotten in criminal law, regardless of whether
[00:04:06] certain individuals are at the required
[00:04:09] level or not. It's clear and simple, Ms. Bilgi, look,
[00:04:13] on November 4, 2025, the Minister of Treasury of the Republic
[00:04:17] of Turkey says clearly and
[00:04:19] explicitly, he talks about manipulation and
[00:04:23] says this word: "We know that
[00:04:27] manipulations are being carried out through some funds. We are
[00:04:30] aware of the need for regulation in this
[00:04:33] area. You are aware, what did you do for 10 months,
[00:04:37] Mr. Şimşek? What did you do for 10 months? You say there will be a need
[00:04:40] for regulation, you talk about manipulations related
[00:04:44] to some funds. Who will make this regulation? The CMB
[00:04:47] will make this regulation according to Article 133
[00:04:50] of the Capital Markets Law and related articles. Who will
[00:04:53] do it? The BRSA has duties, there's MASAK, and in
[00:04:56] the law, in the Capital Markets Law, there are
[00:04:59] articles stating that the CMB will prepare reports
[00:05:03] like MASAK if necessary. So, here, the CMB, with
[00:05:06] a chairman, 7 members, and the managers
[00:05:09] they appoint, is authorized
[00:05:12] to regulate the capital markets and
[00:05:16] to prevent and supervise manipulations in the process.
[00:05:20] Now, the current chairman
[00:05:23] says, "I came
[00:05:26] in May." He says, "I was appointed
[00:05:30] in May." The current board chairman, Mahmut
[00:05:34] Sütçü, says that within this framework,
[00:05:37] "we made our interventions regarding this situation
[00:05:41] after August 28." There's a veiled accusation
[00:05:45] against the previous management. You say you came in May,
[00:05:48] but Mr. Mahmut Sütçü, weren't you the second
[00:05:51] chairman of the CMB before? Didn't you take part in the management?
[00:05:55] Now, this is important, this is important. It is clear
[00:05:58] that the CMB has neglected
[00:06:01] its duty, has not performed
[00:06:04] its duty. Since November 4, 2025,
[00:06:07] when the minister announced, there have been no
[00:06:10] measures to prevent
[00:06:23] What will be done today? We will discuss this today. I'm interrupting
[00:06:25] you now, but there's a hot development, a very, very important breaking
[00:06:29] news that my colleagues have brought to the screen. Let's explain its details a bit.
[00:06:32] We are talking about where the money is now, who will pay the damage, who will cover the damage,
[00:06:36] right? Look, dear viewers, this development is important.
[00:06:39] A new chapter in the fund crisis, now scandal after scandal.
[00:06:43] It has emerged that 15 million and 25 million
[00:06:46] euros were transferred to Swiss accounts.
[00:06:49] The investigation by the Istanbul Chief
[00:06:53] Public Prosecutor's Office continues. According to initial
[00:06:56] findings, 15 million dollars was transferred from
[00:06:59] the account of Serdar Turhan, Chairman of the Board of Pusula Holding,
[00:07:03] to an account in Switzerland. And from the account of Muhammed Yarız,
[00:07:06] Chairman of the Board of Pusula Portfolio Management Inc., 25
[00:07:09] million Euros
[00:07:12] were transferred to another account in Switzerland. This is very, very important.
[00:07:16] Did the money go to Switzerland, Bahadır Özgür? I mean, the initial estimates
[00:07:20] were already this. The initial finding has come out here. This is important
[00:07:23] because this is also the company where Katılım Evim
[00:07:27] is also located. Serdar Turhan,
[00:07:30] who is also a board member of Katılım Evim, is the first
[00:07:34] one to send to Switzerland. The other one was a 28-year-old AKP
[00:07:37] youth, someone from the Zeytinburnu district organization who
[00:07:41] made the Rabia sign 4 years ago, Muhammed Yarız. The fact that
[00:07:45] someone so young managed a fund that could be measured
[00:07:48] in billions of dollars was always a matter of discussion. The
[00:07:52] thing we always said was, if you go over the state,
[00:07:55] people will gain wealth. That's what tonight's topic is about,
[00:07:59] this became the first thing, the first evidence, let's say.
[00:08:03] Look, my friends have also brought the details to the screens.
[00:08:07] Dear viewers, you can click and read them on Halktv.com.
[00:08:10] We will share them as the details become available.
[00:08:14] There are things like jets that were acquired, they will come out.
[00:08:17] If they do, we'll discuss all of them. It is stated
[00:08:20] that private jets were acquired. We will discuss all these.
[00:08:24] Mr. Bülbül, I want to ask something. It is said
[00:08:27] that money transfers have been revealed. How do these money transfers
[00:08:30] happen? Don't they happen through the banking system? Shouldn't
[00:08:34] the BRSA immediately take action regarding these
[00:08:37] suspicious transfers? MASAK MASAK MASAK should act first,
[00:08:41] yes, MASAK should act first.
[00:08:55] It is an administrative and financial body, specifically a regulatory
[00:08:59] and supervisory public institution that ensures
[00:09:02] the safe, transparent, and honest functioning
[00:09:06] of capital markets in Turkey. A regulatory and supervisory
[00:09:09] public institution. What do we understand from this? That
[00:09:13] for 10 months after the Minister of Finance's statement,
[00:09:16] it did not perform its regulatory and supervisory duty. Who
[00:09:20] did not perform it? Of course, there is the management,
[00:09:24] there is the chairman, there are 7 members, and there
[00:09:27] are the people they appointed. But there are also political
[00:09:31] identities, political personalities they are affiliated
[00:09:34] with. So, as I said, I don't want to get into discussing
[00:09:38] names for the sake of innocence and the right to be forgotten.
[00:09:41] But what will happen? In this case, it means it did not
[00:09:44] perform its duty. Within this framework, to control,
[00:09:47] supervise, and audit the compliance of the transactions
[00:09:50] that capital markets institutions, publicly traded
[00:09:53] partnerships, stock exchanges, and self-regulatory
[00:09:56] organizations will carry out within the scope of capital
[00:10:00] markets legislation. This is its primary
[00:10:03] duty. Its second duty is to make decisions
[00:10:06] to ensure that the public is informed in a timely, adequate,
[00:10:10] and accurate manner, and to
[00:10:25] set the principles and procedures for new capital markets
[00:10:28] establishments, and to determine the principles and procedures
[00:10:32] for investment advice to investors and savers. Now, I'm
[00:10:36] interrupting you again. My colleagues are continuing
[00:10:39] to report breaking news one
[00:10:42] after another, dear viewers. In the meantime,
[00:10:46] journalist Dinçer Gökçe, a Halk
[00:10:49] TVTR writer, is also with us. There's a new development,
[00:10:52] let's look at that too. Within the scope of the investigation
[00:10:56] carried out by the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor's
[00:10:59] Office, businessman Nihat Kırmızı, who is the Chairman
[00:11:02] of the Board of Trustees of Istanbul Topkapı University and Doğa
[00:11:05] Sigorta, has been detained. It is stated that Kırmızı's procedures at the police station
[00:11:09] are continuing within the scope of the investigation. This
[00:11:12] is a very, very important investigation. An important
[00:11:15] detention. Now, Nihat Kırmızı is also an important
[00:11:19] player in the insurance sector. He also owns Doğa
[00:11:23] Sigorta. The reason for Nihat Kırmızı's involvement
[00:11:26] in this fund investigation is Topkapı University. Look,
[00:11:30] just a few days ago, a very interesting thing,
[00:11:33] just a few days ago, I looked, I also checked
[00:11:36] the system. Emre Tezmendi was the chairman of the Board
[00:11:40] of Trustees of Topkapı University. Emre Tezmendi is currently
[00:11:43] a person who has been detained. Now, when we look today,
[00:11:47] we see that Mihat Kırmızı is the Chairman of the Board
[00:11:51] of Trustees of Topkapı University. Also, the rector of this
[00:11:55] university, Emre Alkin, is
[00:11:59] under arrest. Also, Kerem Kerem Alkin is a
[00:12:02] dean at this university. Now, it was
[00:12:05] already known that there was a close
[00:12:08] relationship between Topkapı University and Tarasa.
[00:12:11] There was also a strong relationship. Therefore,
[00:12:15] Nihat Kırmızı has also been included in this
[00:12:18] investigation. Nihat Kırmızı is not a person who
[00:12:21] is actively involved in the markets,
[00:12:25] the fund market, the stock market. He is more known
[00:12:28] in the insurance sector, but as I said, the sole
[00:12:31] reason for his involvement in the fund investigation
[00:12:34] was Topkapı University. It should also be
[00:12:37] added that the
[00:12:40] amounts evaluated as transferred abroad are
[00:12:43] quite significant. That is, 15
[00:12:46] million dollars from Serdar Turan's account, and 25 million
[00:12:50] dollars from Muhammet Yarız's account. As is known,
[00:12:53] Muhammet Yarız was the first person arrested
[00:12:57] within the scope of this investigation. A travel ban
[00:13:01] was imposed on Muhammet Yarız's father, Celal Yarız. Serdar
[00:13:03] Turhan is also in custody.
[00:13:06] Indeed, very important developments are
[00:13:10] continuing to come one after another in this investigation. Okay, thank you very much.
[00:13:14] Nihat Kırmızı is one of those detained, and he is a very
[00:13:18] important name. Dinçer Gökçe is following the details
[00:13:22] regarding this and will share them with us. You can watch us on both Halk
[00:13:34] TV screens and halktv.com. We will follow and share.
[00:13:38] I'm interrupting you for the second time, Mr. Bülbül, but there are important,
[00:13:41] important statements. Yes, madam, there are close to 7 million
[00:13:45] investors in the stock market. Half of them, that is, 3.5 million,
[00:13:49] have made transactions below 10,000 and
[00:13:52] 10,000 TL. Can
[00:13:55] you imagine? This is a collapse for small savers. This is
[00:13:58] a collapse for close to 3.5 million investors.
[00:14:01] It is fraud, qualified fraud. In this regard,
[00:14:04] the BRSA also has a feature. The BRSA
[00:14:07] is the official oversight institution for financial
[00:14:11] transactions in its law. Now, we will proceed from here.
[00:14:14] What will be done in response to these responsibilities?
[00:14:18] I look at the CMB Law, the Capital Markets Board Law.
[00:14:22] In this regard, there is responsibility
[00:14:25] for managers who neglect their duty of
[00:14:28] oversight and supervision and abuse their
[00:14:32] authority. Or for those
[00:14:35] appointed by the managers. It is drawn as follows:
[00:14:39] managers cannot be investigated without the minister's
[00:14:42] permission. Neither in general
[00:14:45] criminal investigation nor in legal investigation.
[00:14:48] Now, what is the minister waiting for? Such
[00:14:51] a clear and explicit action has taken
[00:14:55] place, and there are many instances of collapse
[00:14:59] affecting small savers. There are so many
[00:15:02] suspicious activities regarding the CMB's failure
[00:15:06] to perform its oversight duty. And 7
[00:15:09] fund companies and 131
[00:15:13] funds have committed an illegal
[00:15:16] act against the savings of millions
[00:15:19] of people. Why doesn't the minister initiate
[00:15:23] an investigation against a single manager? I'm looking at
[00:15:26] those who have been detained. I'm looking at those who
[00:15:30] have been referred for arrest. There are no managers. Why
[00:15:34] not? I mean, did they act on their own?
[00:15:37] Look, the law is clear. Without the minister's
[00:15:41] permission to investigate, the CMB
[00:15:44] managers cannot be investigated. Let's say the minister did
[00:15:48] not grant investigation permission. It goes to
[00:15:52] the Council of State with an objection. Let's say
[00:15:55] he did grant investigation permission. It goes to
[00:15:58] the Council of State with an objection. Why doesn't the minister
[00:16:02] Şimşek follow this procedure? What will happen if he
[00:16:06] doesn't? Well, in this framework,
[00:16:09] the issue will not be delved into deeply. Without
[00:16:13] the knowledge of the managers, without a connection with the CMB,
[00:16:16] again, I'm setting aside the principle of innocence and the right to be forgotten,
[00:16:20] these things cannot happen. Why haven't the CMB managers
[00:16:23] fulfilled their oversight duty? Why haven't they fulfilled
[00:16:27] their duty of care? Why haven't the board
[00:16:29] managers, who derive their authority from the Capital
[00:16:32] Markets Law, fulfilled their supervisory duty?
[00:16:36] This, in general legal terms, constitutes the crime of
[00:16:39] negligence and abuse of duty according to
[00:16:42] Article 257 of the Turkish Criminal Code. And besides
[00:16:46] this, it creates a debt of compensation.
[00:16:49] That is, if there is unjust enrichment, if they have
[00:16:52] opened the way for unjust enrichment for someone,
[00:16:56] this is also a crime, a crime that creates liability
[00:17:00] for compensation in legal terms. Why is the minister
[00:17:03] silent? Why doesn't the minister push the button against
[00:17:11] this unjust enrichment of the citizens' small savings?
[00:17:15] Well, now I'll briefly ask Mr. Türkoğlu, and then
[00:17:19] Bahadır Özgür will also have something to say.
[00:17:23] Ömer Rıfat Gençal will explain what we are actually experiencing.
[00:17:26] But Mr. Türkoğlu, as a lawyer and
[00:17:30] a deputy, the questions Mr. Bülbül asked are
[00:17:33] important. Of course, we have many questions. For
[00:17:38] example, why is the minister silent? Are there those
[00:17:42] who are negligent in this scandal? If so, will they
[00:17:45] ever be held accountable? And will the investigation go
[00:17:48] into the depths, as Mr. Bülbül stated? What
[00:17:52] do you say? How do you read the picture?
[00:17:55] We read that it cannot be delved into, and I will
[00:17:59] say at the beginning what I would say at the end.
[00:18:02] Just as the political wing of FETÖ was never
[00:18:06] investigated, the political wings of such manipulations,
[00:18:09] speculations, such huge swindles
[00:18:13] are never investigated.
[00:18:16] But everyone knows, it's an open secret,
[00:18:20] that such a brazen
[00:18:23] manipulation cannot
[00:18:26] be carried out without a political
[00:18:30] wing and support.
[00:18:33] Such enormous gains
[00:18:37] cannot be obtained. It's very simple.
[00:18:41] We're talking about a size of
[00:18:45] 830 billion, 900 billion,
[00:18:48] which means 20 billion
[00:18:51] dollars. We're talking about
[00:18:54] increases of one in a thousand, one in
[00:18:57] two thousand, sir. Their
[00:19:01] records are clear. Who
[00:19:04] gained the most? This manipulation
[00:19:08] benefited whom the most?
[00:19:11] Who took the largest amounts?
[00:19:13] You need to open and look,
[00:19:17] and that's how you should find
[00:19:20] their political connections. Exactly 131
[00:19:23] funds, hundreds of thousands
[00:19:26] of investors, and a known size
[00:19:29] of around 9 billion on paper.
[00:19:32] For example, I agree
[00:19:35] with everything Mr. Bülbül said. He is
[00:19:38] right. I would like to convey
[00:19:42] a few different aspects so that
[00:19:45] it doesn't repeat. For God's sake,
[00:19:48] we're talking about a food company. This food
[00:19:52] company is mainly about
[00:19:55] milk. You add it up, it doesn't
[00:19:59] even have 50 milking cows. But you
[00:20:02] see, it has gained more value in terms of
[00:20:05] shares than Turkey's massive food
[00:20:09] companies of 50-60 years. How
[00:20:11] does this happen? Who listed these on
[00:20:15] the stock market? Do they have a barn? Is there production
[00:20:19] there? Who opened these to the stock
[00:20:22] market? Who signed for these? Now
[00:20:25] look, incompetence is a separate
[00:20:29] disaster. But this alone
[00:20:32] cannot be explained by incompetence.
[00:20:35] This is, as Mr. Bülbül said,
[00:20:39] qualified fraud,
[00:20:42] and it has several aspects.
[00:20:45] Sir, we are living in a period
[00:20:48] where people who don't know how to read
[00:20:51] a balance sheet, who have no idea about company valuation,
[00:20:55] are managers in the CMB.
[00:20:58] Otherwise, who would turn a blind eye
[00:21:01] to these, and who would say
[00:21:05] okay to these? Now, as
[00:21:08] it was just said,
[00:21:10] in November 2025,
[00:21:14] in December, the Minister officially
[00:21:17] warned about manipulation regarding these investment
[00:21:20] funds. Those who know and follow
[00:21:23] will know that a month after
[00:21:26] this, an inspector was appointed to the CMB.
[00:21:30] Do you know how long they could serve?
[00:21:33] Not even a month. They sent that
[00:21:35] inspector away again, in the sense
[00:21:38] of "who are you to appoint
[00:21:41] an inspector to us?" This means there is another
[00:21:45] political power here, there are other political
[00:21:49] operations here. For example, this question also needs to be
[00:21:52] asked. Besides what is known,
[00:21:55] there is one of the authorized institutions
[00:21:59] for holding and securing funds, MKK,
[00:22:02] which is the Central Registry Institution.
[00:22:05] Who is one of the managers
[00:22:08] of this institution? Emre Tezmendi. Yes.
[00:22:11] So, this is a bit like,
[00:22:15] in conclusion, isn't it entrusting
[00:22:18] the lamb to the wolf? The sentence
[00:22:22] is this: It is seizing
[00:22:25] the money of the
[00:22:27] average citizen, the middle-income investor
[00:22:31] who tries to protect the value of their
[00:22:34] money, or who is in the stock market
[00:22:38] to earn a few pennies, who trusts
[00:22:42] the state. It's seizing
[00:22:44] their property. It's turned into this:
[00:22:48] the country's retirees are destitute,
[00:22:52] the working class is below the hunger
[00:22:55] line, those with fixed incomes
[00:22:59] are dependent on bread. So, if there
[00:23:03] was a middle-income citizen with
[00:23:06] some capital, they are also shaken
[00:23:10] out of it with such speculations in the
[00:23:13] stock market. Can such a country and such
[00:23:15] an economy management exist, for God's
[00:23:18] have many more topics to discuss. one last thing.
[00:23:22] In a country where such a manipulation,
[00:23:25] such a fraud, if you will, is carried out,
[00:23:29] for God's sake, shouldn't the minister responsible
[00:23:33] for the economy resign, and shouldn't there be
[00:23:36] many more arrests and detentions regarding
[00:23:40] all the crimes? What are
[00:23:43] they waiting for? Let me start like
[00:23:46] this, then I'll continue. What are they waiting
[00:23:50] for? That's the question. Now, of course, Mr. Türkoğlu
[00:23:53] also stated that there are those who have multiplied
[00:23:57] their money by 100, even 10,000, but
[00:24:01] on the other hand, small investors, well, Bahadır
[00:24:04] Özgür received many messages today, and so did we.
[00:24:08] Perhaps people who invested
[00:24:11] to make ends meet to pay their rent
[00:24:14] at the beginning of the month, students, minimum wage earners,
[00:24:17] many people
[00:24:31] There are those who add money, and there are those whose identity
[00:24:34] we don't know, for example, the mysterious 12 people.
[00:24:38] Who are they? Will we be able to find out? We'll
[00:24:41] discuss all of them, but first, with your permission,
[00:24:44] we want to bring the striking past of this Terra
[00:24:48] board of directors to your screens, because
[00:24:52] journalist Bahadır has been following
[00:24:55] and sharing this for years. In fact, Bahadır Özgür's
[00:24:59] social media posts from years ago have become
[00:25:02] relevant again today and have been widely discussed.
[00:25:05] Let's explain where it came from, how we
[00:25:08] got to this point, and then get the evaluations.
[00:25:12] Bahadır Özgür, we'll get to it immediately.
[00:25:15] First of all, we need to call it by its right
[00:25:19] name. Mr. Ömer will explain it already. I
[00:25:22] should also say that one of the first
[00:25:25] people to say this in Turkey is Mr. Ömer
[00:25:29] and Kerim Rota, not because
[00:25:32] he is here. I know this
[00:25:36] so well because I followed them.
[00:25:39] Firstly, this. Secondly,
[00:25:42] Ömer Hodja But everyone is very
[00:25:46] curious about its political and bureaucratic connections. That's one. The second
[00:26:09] is a share of around in the whole, and Oğuz
[00:26:12] Tezmen is the honorary chairman. Oğuz Tezmen, a former Minister of Transport,
[00:26:16] who served as General Manager of the National Lottery, is someone who has been in bureaucracy.
[00:26:20] But do you know how he remained in our memory? Now
[00:26:23] it's forgotten. Look at this clipping from 1997.
[00:26:26] Former Minister of Transport Oğuz Tezmen was found to have committed corruption
[00:26:30] in Turkish Telekom and Postal Administration
[00:26:32] tenders for 300 trillion liras and was tried for it.
[00:26:36] This is a news story from 1997. This was a corruption scandal
[00:26:39] that marked the 90s. Those who are young now may not remember it, but it left
[00:26:43] its mark. When I started journalism, it was a trial that lasted
[00:26:46] a few years. All the files were closed because of coalition governments,
[00:26:50] but I will show you something more important.
[00:26:54] For example, this news story by Göker Tayıncıoğlu.
[00:26:56] What is he accused of? He is accused of
[00:27:00] corruption in the tenders of the Postal Administration. There are so many things.
[00:27:04] Even in the poles bought by Telekom, corruption was committed. He was tried for it,
[00:27:08] and this person eventually became an investment
[00:27:11] company. People asked where the money went when these things
[00:27:14] were done.
[00:27:16] And the state inspectors issued a report
[00:27:20] stating that the assets were hidden abroad. What does the report
[00:27:24] say? Viewers cannot read it here, but I am
[00:27:27] telling you that Oğuz Tezmen took all his
[00:27:30] assets to Belgium. He registered them in the name of his son,
[00:27:34] Emre Tezmen, who was a student in Belgium.
[00:27:36] Look, this is from 1997. Now let's move on from this.
[00:27:40] There is no need to ask who these people
[00:27:42] are. You let such a well-known
[00:27:46] person do these things on the stock exchange. Let's go back.
[00:27:49] Emre Tezmen is a Belgian citizen. The chairman of the board
[00:27:52] is a Belgian citizen. He studied in Belgium. He has a company
[00:27:55] in Luxembourg that we believe is related to him.
[00:27:58] At the same time, Tre Yatırım has three real estate
[00:28:02] companies in Germany. The father and son have a finance
[00:28:06] company in England. They also have a company in Dubai.
[00:28:09] Now, if I may interrupt here, I'd like to say something that we will share
[00:28:13] shortly. Emre Tezmen had made a statement about all these scandals,
[00:28:17] and there was a local and national financial system issue in it. We will bring that to the screens
[00:28:20] first. The company founded in London, the father and son's
[00:28:24] companies in London, when compared to 2025
[00:28:26] and 2026, their financial assets
[00:28:30] increased by 8 times in the first 6 months. Now, MASAK is investigating.
[00:28:34] Will they reveal if there is traffic here? There is
[00:28:37] also Kerem Alkin here, a name we know well.
[00:28:40] Alkin, the children of Erdoğan Alkin, Kerem Alkin and Emre Alkin
[00:28:44] know them. But Kerem Alkin has a special feature that
[00:28:48] we shouldn't forget. A scandal broke out where
[00:28:51] emails written to Berat Albayrak were revealed.
[00:28:55] Kerem Alkin wrote the most emails there, expressing
[00:28:58] constant loyalty and requesting
[00:29:03] various tasks. Later, Kerem Alkin was appointed Permanent Ambassador to the OECD,
[00:29:06] and then this person was appointed to the board of directors
[00:29:10] of the Wealth Fund and Halk Bank. So, his role in Tera
[00:29:13] is important, and he has the position
[00:29:17] to understand all these events. Let me mention one more name,
[00:29:20] Abdülkadir Özkahan. He entered our lives
[00:29:23] on March 19. Few people knew him.
[00:29:26] On March 19, he called on young people
[00:29:30] to boycott Espresso.
[00:29:33] The boycott started. He tweeted at that time,
[00:29:37] "traitors to the homeland." This person
[00:29:40] owns the company that brings all the foreign
[00:29:43] big groups that organize concerts
[00:29:46] in Turkey, because they monopolized that area. He owns it,
[00:29:49] but he was also the press consultant for the Presidency of Religious Affairs,
[00:29:53] and he also served as a prime minister's
[00:29:56] consultant. So, the political and bureaucratic
[00:29:59] relations of Tera Yatırım deserve to be questioned.
[00:30:02] People ask, "How was this allowed? How was it not pursued?"
[00:30:05] And let's say this, most people who wrote about these things
[00:30:09] were detained and tried. I also have a lawsuit,
[00:30:13] for example, with Tera because I made a few allusions,
[00:30:16] because we tweeted about how the fund was growing so much.
[00:30:20] This was a fund that had legal protection,
[00:30:23] I think this is very important. It had a legal protection shield.
[00:30:27] Why did this happen? These relationships need to be investigated.
[00:30:31] So, Bahadır Özgür says it deserves to be discussed
[00:30:34] and investigated. Will we go there
[00:30:37] to the end, I wonder? Just now, my esteemed guests,
[00:30:41] our viewers, let me give you this last piece of information. We've covered it a lot, but
[00:30:45] again, where did we actually come across the name of Tera Yatırım
[00:30:48] before it went public, do you know?
[00:30:51] It was in the investigation of the Bakırköy Chief Public Prosecutor's Office in 2021.
[00:30:55] There was Kasım Garipoğlu, who fled after the drug operation,
[00:30:59] accused of money laundering. In a case he was involved in,
[00:31:03] people tried in that case were bringing money
[00:31:06] in bags to Tera,
[00:31:10] and it was being sent to a company in Malaysia.
[00:31:14] There was an investigation based on the claim that money was being laundered
[00:31:17] through Germany and London. It was never concluded.
[00:31:20] At that time, it was asked, "How did you give permission
[00:31:23] to a company that was accused of money laundering
[00:31:26] in a public prosecutor's investigation to establish an investment bank?"
[00:31:30] This question was asked a lot. Ramazan Başak, who asked this question,
[00:31:33] was detained. Those who ask this are also being tried.
[00:31:37] My lawsuit is also related to this. So, I think the political
[00:31:40] and bureaucratic protection in Tera needs to be investigated.
[00:31:44] Well, this is very, very important. Will it be investigated?
[00:31:48] Bahadır Özgür will tell us, dear viewers, in the upcoming minutes.
[00:31:50] On the one hand, Ramazan Başak, the former
[00:31:54] head of MASAK, Bahadır Özgür reminded us of him.
[00:31:58] So, many people actually had warnings about all these things,
[00:32:01] but why was it waited for? That's the question. Even
[00:32:04] Bahadır Özgür stated that Ramazan Başak was detained.
[00:32:08] I know him. We talked at that time.
[00:32:11] The issue he mentioned is not a comment.
[00:32:14] It's about the Bakırköy investigation in 2021.
[00:32:16] He asks what happened to it. He says his name is mentioned here,
[00:32:20] what did you do, what was the result?
[00:32:24] The one asking this is not just anyone. He is someone
[00:32:28] who managed MASAK. That's why he was detained.
[00:32:31] Now, as Bahadır Özgür just stated, if we are going to talk about
[00:32:35] this scandal in Turkey, Ömer Rifat Gençal is one of
[00:32:38] the two most important people we can talk to.
[00:32:41] Let's send our greetings to him from here. We will, of course,
[00:32:45] go into detail, Mr. Gençal, but where are we
[00:32:49] now? Did this happen right before our eyes?
[00:32:52] Were all warnings ignored? What happened? Let me jump in.
[00:32:56] Can you name what we are experiencing? How do you see it?
[00:33:00] If you could explain that too. Is it a fund scandal or a Ponzi scandal?
[00:33:03] Because now the water is being muddied, isn't it? It's like, if we need to give it a name,
[00:33:06] it's an erosion of trust, the disappearance of trust.
[00:33:10] We can say it's the disappearance of trust.
[00:33:13] From where did trust disappear? Actually,
[00:33:16] we can say it's the disappearance of trust from all state institutions,
[00:33:19] from all institutions. So, it's not
[00:33:22] just a fraud, although its scale is huge,
[00:33:25] but I'll start by saying
[00:33:29] I'm actually very sad. Why am I very sad?
[00:33:33] Because the 511,000
[00:33:37] investors
[00:33:39] mentioned here,
[00:33:42] especially those who entered recently, suffered
[00:33:46] serious losses. Among them are close friends
[00:33:49] of mine, and among them are people who hold
[00:33:52] senior executive positions. On the one hand, I'm happy,
[00:33:55] because unfortunately, no lesson is free. Let's say
[00:33:59] they started to learn, not learned, but started to learn.
[00:34:02] Professor, we always learn by being exploited.
[00:34:05] Now, Mr. Selçuk is very right,
[00:34:09] very right. I will go back further than 2021,
[00:34:12] I will go back to 2016. In 2016,
[00:34:15] what I'm about to say is not political.
[00:34:19] Why is it not political? I am speaking
[00:34:23] from the perspective of an economist and a financial advisor.
[00:34:26] A financier, especially when looking
[00:34:29] at certain magnitudes, first considers
[00:34:33] who the policymakers related to those magnitudes
[00:34:35] are. They look at the institutions
[00:34:39] that those policymakers touch,
[00:34:42] the institutions they are responsible for and control.
[00:34:45] Why will I go back to 2016? Mr. Şimşek, as you know,
[00:34:49] was the Deputy Prime Minister responsible for the economy in 2016.
[00:34:52] If you remember that period, neither the CMB,
[00:34:56] nor the BRSA, nor any institution
[00:34:59] under his command was taking action
[00:35:02] regarding the instructions he gave. There was inertia there,
[00:35:06] thinking that the 2018 elections would come and the administration
[00:35:10] would change, the economic administration would change. So, the bureaucratic
[00:35:12] sector, I think, was not listening to Mr. Şimşek
[00:35:15] at that time. I saw this in the figures,
[00:35:19] in the budget figures, in the stock market figures,
[00:35:22] and in other BRSA figures.
[00:35:26] Anyway, the 2018 process came. I will come to
[00:35:29] what Mr. Selçuk said. Especially starting
[00:35:33] from 2019, we started to pursue
[00:35:36] experimental, ultra
[00:35:40] low-interest, experimental monetary policy
[00:35:42] by lowering interest rates,
[00:35:45] and at the same time suppressing the exchange rate,
[00:35:48] and thus, by lowering both the exchange rate
[00:35:52] and interest rates, trying to alienate people
[00:35:55] from the concept of interest in some way,
[00:35:58] and providing resources to companies,
[00:36:02] especially through capital market
[00:36:04] public offerings. This is not a bad thing,
[00:36:08] but you do this in systems
[00:36:10] that are truly competent, skilled,
[00:36:14] and have balance and control mechanisms.
[00:36:17] We started to see companies being publicly offered
[00:36:21] with just a desk and a chair,
[00:36:25] and there were already incredible manipulations
[00:36:28] in those public offerings. Now, the CMB
[00:36:32] should have intervened at that time.
[00:36:35] Since the CMB did not intervene at that time, some people
[00:36:38] were getting rich in public offerings,
[00:36:41] some were becoming ultra-rich and continuing their way,
[00:36:45] reaching today. Of course, the question
[00:36:48] of why it didn't intervene comes to mind. Is there
[00:36:52] a dereliction of duty here, or was a political barrier
[00:36:55] created? This question also comes to mind.
[00:36:59] The answer to this question is not with me. That's why
[00:37:03] as soon as this fund incident broke out, I started
[00:37:06] saying on television programs that this issue
[00:37:09] goes beyond the CMB, this issue goes beyond the BRSA,
[00:37:13] this issue goes beyond other institutions. The most authorized
[00:37:16] body in this matter
[00:37:19] is the public prosecutor's office. It is an independent judiciary.
[00:37:23] The independent judiciary needs to intervene
[00:37:25] here and
[00:37:28] determine who is in what kind of relationship with whom,
[00:37:31] what kind of money transactions are happening between whom,
[00:37:34] which fund it is in, who entered which fund and how much,
[00:37:38] when they exited. Some things need to be done
[00:37:41] regarding these, and this matter needs
[00:37:45] to be made transparent. Now, I'm getting a lot of questions
[00:37:48] about funds, what will happen to our money,
[00:37:52] how will it work? A program was announced,
[00:37:55] a liquidation program was announced. We will talk about it in detail
[00:37:58] a little later. I think that before
[00:38:02] this liquidation program was put forward
[00:38:06] as a plan on how it would be done,
[00:38:10] with a much more radical solution,
[00:38:13] especially due to the manipulations in some funds,
[00:38:17] enriched people should be dealt with by taking examples
[00:38:20] from abroad. Madoff, as you know,
[00:38:23] finished his life in prison. He received 150 years in prison,
[00:38:28] 150 years. So, things like being banned
[00:38:31] from the stock exchange for two years or being suspended for a month
[00:38:35] are not enough for this kind of manipulation.
[00:38:38] The amount in question is over 20 billion
[00:38:41] dollars. The damages are not yet clear.
[00:38:45] Will it be 10 billion? On top of that,
[00:38:48] this damage, as far as I can see,
[00:38:51] can be a numerical base, but today you can see
[00:38:55] Turkey's CDS at perhaps 220, 230.
[00:38:59] However, reputational risk,
[00:39:02] as we call it, is not a risk
[00:39:06] that can be measured by anything.
[00:39:10] Here, such things constantly emerge,
[00:39:13] and we will face extra risks
[00:39:16] and costs imposed by foreign investors.
[00:39:20] We will see what the cost of that will be
[00:39:22] in the coming days. Yes, let me interrupt here
[00:39:26] and go to Professor Semi, because I haven't been able to
[00:39:29] since the program started. Let's ask Professor Semi
[00:39:32] for a sociological evaluation of the latest developments,
[00:39:36] because while some are gaining, while some are adding to their wealth,
[00:39:39] adding to their fortunes, why does the citizen
[00:39:42] always have to pay the price?
[00:39:46] Again, the small investor paid the price.
[00:39:50] Unfortunately, we also have to become fund literate
[00:39:53] regarding the technical aspects of this matter, our expert guests explain, but there is
[00:39:58] a sociological dimension to it, of course. This is part of a whole.
[00:40:01] If you remember, last week on the program,
[00:40:04] we tried to express deep poverty in Turkey.
[00:40:08] I tried to explain that 75% are in deep poverty,
[00:40:11] but another problem emerged. I said deep wealth,
[00:40:15] extreme wealth, extreme riches. Imagine,
[00:40:18] while people cannot afford basic necessities,
[00:40:21] the children of privileged families are swimming in money,
[00:40:24] getting rich for no reason, and they don't even hesitate
[00:40:27] to display this, to put it out there in any way.
[00:40:30] There is a huge problem in terms of income inequality.
[00:40:34] This is what I always describe, the situation
[00:40:37] we live in, and I insist on calling it
[00:40:40] social anomaly. I define it as social
[00:40:43] abnormalization in almost every field, and I always try to say
[00:40:47] that this anomaly will have consequences.
[00:40:50] We don't know what will come out of it, but it will be a surprise.
[00:40:54] We always talk about how
[00:40:57] one day, the most important thing is
[00:41:00] that it creates distrust in the individual,
[00:41:02] not trusting the system, not trusting anything,
[00:41:06] and then alienation and seeking
[00:41:10] a way out of this. How does it find this way out?
[00:41:13] How do I get rich quickly? Because it sees examples,
[00:41:17] how do I turn the corner? That's why illegal betting,
[00:41:20] fraud, and these criminal gangs are actually,
[00:41:24] in the end, a technical problem, perhaps.
[00:41:28] Inflation, a result that needs to be explained economically,
[00:41:31] which we have failed to reduce for years in Turkey,
[00:41:34] has become chronic, causing the new generation
[00:41:37] to lose their future and feel anxious about it.
[00:41:40] I will not evaluate this sociologically, but when I look at it,
[00:41:43] I see the ambition of young people to get rich quickly,
[00:41:46] thinking, "In my short life, I want to see better days,"
[00:41:50] and earning money quickly from somewhere.
[00:41:53] Of course, inflation is said to be the greatest immorality,
[00:41:57] which is true, but that trust issue...
[00:42:01] Look, citizens want to trust healthcare institutions,
[00:42:04] but they encounter a baby trafficking
[00:42:08] gang. We say let's trust
[00:42:11] tourism facilities, but we encounter
[00:42:14] the Kartalkaya fire, mining murders.
[00:42:17] Look, in the Kartalkaya fire you mentioned, did those with political responsibility
[00:42:20] account for it? Of course, that's the problem, they didn't.
[00:42:24] They weren't giving it. Actually, that distrust...
[00:42:28] The lawsuit has not been filed yet. I apologize for interrupting you,
[00:42:30] but the Council of State had given permission for investigation
[00:42:34] against the executives, but the minister had not given
[00:42:37] permission for investigation. The Council of State had given it.
[00:42:41] The lawsuit has still not been filed. It has not been filed yet.
[00:42:44] So, regarding transportation, consider ship accidents, train
[00:42:48] accidents. There are so many examples. Citizens want to trust
[00:42:52] the local authorities, don't they? We all saw what happened
[00:42:55] in the Gülistan Doku murder. Economically,
[00:42:59] this is actually part of a whole, meaning what is being talked about is this.
[00:43:02] Like the novel "Chronicle of a Death Foretold," everyone knew everything.
[00:43:06] There was a statement made a year ago, and then there are constant warnings
[00:43:10] from economists. This is from November 11,
[00:43:13] 2025. Dear Kerim, the program we did
[00:43:16] with Rota. The date of that is, let me say it again,
[00:43:19] November 11, 2025. In the Economy program, it was openly
[00:43:23] stated how this was done,
[00:43:26] and we said that Mr. Şimşek knew on November 4, 2025,
[00:43:29] that manipulation was being done in these funds.
[00:43:33] In fact, we were going to say this much earlier,
[00:43:36] but due to Kerim and me having
[00:43:39] work abroad, or rather,
[00:43:42] my daughter being abroad
[00:43:45] and me going there, and Kerim being on holiday
[00:43:48] abroad, we couldn't talk about it earlier, but we already
[00:43:52] knew these things were happening, and Üstün Öztürk, in that program,
[00:43:56] you are talking about trust in institutions.
[00:44:00] If they watch not just the first 10 minutes
[00:44:02] of that program, but the whole thing, in that program,
[00:44:06] the vice president of the BRSA had a
[00:44:10] gifting ceremony, and afterwards,
[00:44:13] Mr. Şimşek announced that they had launched
[00:44:16] an investigation into this. We are still asking
[00:44:20] why it hasn't been concluded since 2024.
[00:44:23] Today is 2026. Yes, look,
[00:44:26] we forget. The gifting ceremony.
[00:44:29] Now I can visualize it in my mind. There was a queue, wasn't there,
[00:44:32] for the gifting ceremony of a bank's general manager.
[00:44:36] I am not saying these things in a personal sense.
[00:44:40] These are the bricks that form institutions,
[00:44:43] that form the integrity of rules, and are essential
[00:44:46] for building trust in society.
[00:44:50] If you pull these bricks out one by one,
[00:44:52] unfortunately, the castles built from them will collapse
[00:44:55] one after another tomorrow or the day after. Society...
[00:44:59] I'm getting this reaction. I'm very sorry,
[00:45:03] I interrupted you, but I'm getting this reaction:
[00:45:05] "I invested in a money market fund, and they say its
[00:45:08] risk profile is 1 or 2." 1 or 2 means that
[00:45:12] 1 is the lowest, 5 or 7 is the highest
[00:45:15] risk profile. They said it was 1 and 2.
[00:45:19] Now, even though I invested in a money market fund,
[00:45:22] I cannot liquidate my fund here and pay my natural gas bill.
[00:45:26] I cannot pay my child's
[00:45:29] school tuition. I cannot pay the rent
[00:45:33] of my house. Who am I going to trust, for God's sake?
[00:45:36] I trusted the state, I did this.
[00:45:40] I trusted the CMB, I entered here.
[00:45:44] What am I going to do?" There are people asking this.
[00:45:47] The main problem is here, that is, institutions and rule-based
[00:45:50] management and merit. We have been saying this for years,
[00:45:54] for years.
[00:45:56] Let me summarize. We always talk about
[00:46:00] trust in justice and the judiciary. The consequences of this are
[00:46:04] very dire. People's mental health
[00:46:06] is deteriorating. I always give examples
[00:46:10] of how much antidepressant use has increased, how much anxiety
[00:46:14] diagnoses and panic disorders have increased. This turns into a lack of expectations
[00:46:18] from the future, a distrust, and ultimately
[00:46:21] alienation. It's not pulling out a tile,
[00:46:25] the structure is collapsing. I don't mean to be a doomsayer,
[00:46:28] but believe me, we couldn't have predicted
[00:46:31] a week ago that we would be discussing this today.
[00:46:35] We cannot predict what outcome we will face
[00:46:39] in these studios a week from now. That's what's truly frightening.
[00:46:43] Uncertainty about the future and this lack of trust
[00:46:45] regarding these institutions. Trust, in the end,
[00:46:49] cannot be fully restored with a single thing. Economists say
[00:46:52] it should be fixed this way or that way, but believe me, this is not something
[00:46:56] that can be solved with palliative solutions or by fixing one area.
[00:46:59] This is a much deeper issue. Just now, Professor Semih
[00:47:03] said, Mr. Turan said, as in the novel "Chronicle of a Death Foretold,"
[00:47:06] everyone knew everything. In fact, the statement
[00:47:10] made by the Minister of Treasury and Finance, Mehmet Şimşek,
[00:47:13] that manipulation statement, raises the question
[00:47:17] of why it was waited for for 10 months.
[00:47:20] Just now, Mr. Gençal also reminded us of Mehmet Şimşek's statement.
[00:47:23] The date is November 4, 2025, dear viewers.
[00:47:27] November 4, 2025. Where is he speaking? At the 9th
[00:47:30] Turkey Capital Markets Congress. Who?
[00:47:34] Minister of Treasury and Finance Mehmet Şimşek. And what does he say on that date?
[00:47:37] "We know that manipulations are being carried out through
[00:47:41] some funds. We are aware of the need for regulation
[00:47:43] in this area. We will increase the intensity of the fight
[00:47:47] against manipulation beyond the intensity of the fight against the informal economy.
[00:47:50] Making the penalties much heavier is also an issue
[00:47:54] on our agenda," says the Minister of Treasury and Finance.
[00:47:56] Let me say it again, he made this statement at the
[00:48:00] Turkey Capital Markets Congress on November 4, 2025.
[00:48:03] Now, economy writer Murat Muratoğlu says that in September 2026,
[00:48:07] the total assets in this fund were 822 billion
[00:48:11] liras. Should we say assets? Mr. Gençal, the correct term is the financial value
[00:48:15] of assets. The financial value of assets
[00:48:18] at that time was 822 billion. He wrote the opposite. When we reached September 2026,
[00:48:28] it had reached 822 billion liras.
[00:48:30] If we look at the increase,
[00:48:32] it's 525 billion liras. So, whose money is this?
[00:48:36] It's the small investor's money, isn't it, Mr. Bülbül? Yes. The question
[00:48:40] of why this increase was allowed is on the agenda.
[00:48:44] Let's not forget one thing. This has grown steadily,
[00:48:47] but there are also those who left, increasing
[00:48:51] their profits, their wealth. For example, a month ago,
[00:48:55] there was about 60 billion, 80 billion liras withdrawn from Pusula.
[00:48:58] There is money going to Switzerland, of course. So, let's not forget
[00:49:02] that there is a constant cycle there. Let's not forget.
[00:49:05] The Minister of Treasury and Finance, Mehmet Şimşek, let me tell you,
[00:49:08] it went from 297 billion to 822 billion.
[00:49:10] But how did it happen? Of course, how did it happen?
[00:49:14] How did it happen?
[00:49:16] One.
[00:49:19] When we realized this and intervened, hmm.
[00:49:22] why did we intervene that day?
[00:49:26] Look, there is a company called MSCI, Morgan Stanley,
[00:49:30] that is, these
[00:49:32] especially provide
[00:49:35] index services to foreign
[00:49:39] investors coming to Turkey. What I mean by index service
[00:49:43] is this: it says there is the Borsa
[00:49:46] Istanbul index in Turkey, and there are companies
[00:49:49] in the papers within this Borsa Istanbul index. "Regarding the
[00:49:53] buying and selling of these companies,
[00:49:56] this index is correct, according to this, the index
[00:50:00] I have constructed will consist of these
[00:50:03] weights and will have a certain
[00:50:07] weight, a certain amount of something, according
[00:50:10] to this, you can come here and invest
[00:50:14] by saying emerging market index. Now, MSCI
[00:50:18] had a very important warning for Turkey, I will come to that now.
[00:50:21] MSCI actually started with the warning
[00:50:24] it made, it said that
[00:50:27] 29 of the 30
[00:50:30] indexes of IMKB or Borsa Istanbul are fine, but there is one
[00:50:34] company that everyone knows now,
[00:50:37] Destek Factoring. This company, when it first
[00:50:41] came out, after it came out at 46 liras
[00:50:44] and 80 kuruş, on February
[00:50:47] 2025, it has become 3,000 liras
[00:50:51] at the point we have reached today. Let me tell you in terms of market
[00:50:54] value,
[00:50:56] in terms of market value, it has become 26 billion
[00:50:59] dollars, what does 26 billion dollars mean?
[00:51:02] To make a comparison? Destek Factoring
[00:51:05] has 250 employees, yes,
[00:51:09] its annual turnover does not exceed 1
[00:51:13] billion TL, and at the same time, it is not a very profitable
[00:51:16] organization in terms of profitability.
[00:51:19] Within the same finance sector. I am
[00:51:23] not counting the factoring company. Look, yes,
[00:51:27] as of today, look at Yapı Kredi Bank,
[00:51:30] the current market value of Yapı Kredi Bank,
[00:51:33] which has nearly 15,000 employees and thousands
[00:51:36] of branches, after these recent declines,
[00:51:39] is 6-6.5 billion dollars. Garanti
[00:51:42] Bank is the same, that is, you include
[00:51:46] our banks, you include our holdings, you add
[00:51:49] them up, it was not even a single factoring company at that time. A company
[00:52:05] of 1 billion dollars, even more than that.
[00:52:07] Today, if you were to go and see the Turkish factory,
[00:52:11] the world's largest publicly traded factoring company was
[00:52:15] ours at that time. Yes, such news
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[01:00:14] Ladies and gentlemen, we are together again on Halk TV,
[01:00:17] Söz Sende continues. We are evaluating the agenda
[01:00:21] with our esteemed guests on an evening where
[01:00:24] hot developments follow each other breathlessly.
[01:00:27] There are many questions from you, how will the liquidation
[01:00:31] process of these funds be? We said at the beginning that
[01:00:35] more than 500 thousand investors are wondering what
[01:00:38] will happen next. Mr. Gençal will tell us, Bahat Özgür has
[01:00:42] things to say now. Mehmet Şimşek made a manipulation
[01:00:45] why did he wait 10 months?
[01:00:57] a regulation made on August,
[01:00:59] and after this regulation,
[01:01:02] the operating mechanism suddenly stopped,
[01:01:06] but there is something I am very curious about.
[01:01:09] A decision was made in one day, a meeting was held
[01:01:12] in the morning, after the meeting,
[01:01:16] they came out saying 130. Yes, why
[01:01:19] not 100 funds, why not 50 funds,
[01:01:22] or why not 250 funds? It was said
[01:01:26] 130 funds, like a pinpoint shot, then one more
[01:01:29] fund was added, and it was decided
[01:01:32] to liquidate 131 funds. I cannot
[01:01:36] answer this question. This question,
[01:01:39] I think, needs to be asked and answered, that is,
[01:01:43] my suspicion is this, it was already known what was done
[01:01:47] in which fund long before, and
[01:01:50] was a decision made in one night? Because
[01:01:53] after this, especially for
[01:01:56] building trust, this is one of the questions
[01:02:00] that needs to be explained and answered, I think. This question is very
[01:02:03] critical. This question asked by Mr. Gençal. Of course, will we learn the
[01:02:07] answer? I mean, we are also curious about this. You asked,
[01:02:10] we really rang Kerim's ears from here. I can answer you.
[01:02:14] Now, he asked a lot of questions. He didn't get an answer to any of those questions.
[01:02:30] Our MP from Kesir, he also
[01:02:33] doesn't get answers, he is one of the people who knows
[01:02:37] economics very well, he is actually a former
[01:02:40] fund manager. Let's send our love and greetings to Mr. Burak.
[01:02:44] Let's see if anyone will answer these questions now. Mr. Bülbül,
[01:02:47] why did he wait 10 months? Please,
[01:02:51] with the 2017 referendum, the Presidential
[01:02:54] Government System came on April 16. This Presidential
[01:02:57] Government System is a one-man
[01:03:00] party, one-party government, one-man rule. Now you look,
[01:03:04] the responsibility of the ministers is not
[01:03:07] towards the parliament, it is directly towards the one-man,
[01:03:11] towards the palace at the head of the executive, towards Mr. President.
[01:03:14] Without Mr. President's permission,
[01:03:17] you cannot even determine when a tire will be used
[01:03:21] in Turkey. With presidential decrees, it is even determined when a winter
[01:03:25] tire will be used, if it will be used today,
[01:03:29] in which month it will be used. "This
[01:03:32] regime, the Presidential Government System, is a one-man
[01:03:36] regime, where the sole responsibility
[01:03:39] of ministers is attached to one person, especially
[01:03:43] the managements. For example, I mentioned the Capital
[01:03:46] Markets Board law earlier. What does it say? It
[01:03:50] says it is an autonomous
[01:03:53] administrative structure that carries out auditing and regulatory
[01:03:57] operations. Now
[01:04:00] nothing can be done without the knowledge
[01:04:03] of the boards in the Presidential Palace.
[01:04:07] Now I am a member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey.
[01:04:10] I am the group spokesperson for the Justice Committee.
[01:04:14] We look at the legislative proposals that come to the
[01:04:18] Justice Committee. We look at the legislative proposals
[01:04:21] that come to the other Planning and Budget Committee.
[01:04:24] They do not come without approval from the boards
[01:04:27] attached to the palace above, for example, the Law and Policy
[01:04:30] Board, for example, the Health Board, for example, the Education
[01:04:33] Board. So, in Article 78 of the Constitution,
[01:04:37] in this system, MPs submit draft laws,
[01:04:41] but they remain in the air.
[01:04:44] There is no separation of powers, there is a unity of powers.
[01:04:48] These boards also have a feature, for example,
[01:04:50] the judicial package 12, the judicial package 12
[01:04:54] that was introduced 3 months ago. The Minister
[01:04:57] of Justice, Mr. Gürlek, said that they prepared the package,
[01:05:01] they will send it to Beştepe, they will get approval from Beştepe,
[01:05:05] and then they will send it to the Justice Committee.
[01:05:08] The Justice Committee will send it to the General Assembly of the
[01:05:12] Grand National Assembly of Turkey. He said it very clearly
[01:05:15] and plainly. Where is Beştepe? The Palace. Everything
[01:05:19] is determined in the Palace. What do you say? The Economic
[01:05:23] Council, Health Council, Policy Council, Law Council
[01:05:26] in the Palace decide, continues. Who are these?
[01:05:30] These are councils without responsibility.
[01:05:33] But they interfere in politics. Let me tell you this.
[01:05:36] Unless a decision is made in the Palace,
[01:05:40] a decision was made during this 10-month period,
[01:05:44] during this 10-month period. After that, these interventions
[01:05:47] were made in September, but I want to ask Şimşek,
[01:05:50] I want to ask the Minister of Finance, the Minister of Treasury,
[01:05:54] is there a political structure that prevented you from intervening
[01:05:57] during the 10-month period even though you knew that manipulation
[01:06:01] was being done and you said that there was a need
[01:06:04] for intervention in this situation? Have political figures said,
[01:06:08] "Stop, my dear Minister of Finance?" I am telling
[01:06:11] the CMB officials. "Have political
[01:06:14] identities, political figures intervened and stopped
[01:06:18] your duty of regulation and supervision? In this
[01:06:22] context, if so, Mr. Minister, you, as the responsible
[01:06:25] person, on what percentage do you stand
[01:06:28] according to the CMB law and other laws, you should
[01:06:32] resign. Mr. Minister, because you did not do
[01:06:36] it for 10 months, because you did not fulfill the need
[01:06:39] for intervention and regulation, because you neglected your
[01:06:43] duty, in every way, that is, either
[01:06:46] some politicians intervened and stopped you, or
[01:06:49] you did not do it. 525 billion, as you
[01:06:53] explained earlier, Ms. Biliga, the amount
[01:06:56] in these funds which was 297 billion
[01:07:00] in November 2025, increased to 822 billion
[01:07:02] in September. Where did they take this 522-25
[01:07:06] billion TL concentration? What did they do? As you
[01:07:10] said earlier, did it go to Switzerland? Where did it go? Where did it go?
[01:07:14] I also have a question. About these banking
[01:07:17] licenses, what will the judiciary do
[01:07:20] about the managers who give banking
[01:07:23] licenses to these financial institutions and the political
[01:07:27] identities who give them instructions? Will the judiciary
[01:07:30] open an investigation into this? The chairman
[01:07:33] of the board of directors of the factoring
[01:07:37] company made a statement saying that the CMB
[01:07:40] supervises them, meaning the BRSA supervises them.
[01:07:44] He says that they have started the necessary initiatives
[01:07:47] regarding investment banking, he says
[01:07:51] there is no problem with him, he says the state
[01:07:55] supervises it, and it is not possible for him
[01:07:58] to commit a crime in something that the state supervises.
[01:08:02] If he says this, if he says this,
[01:08:05] it means that this business, as we said
[01:08:09] earlier, has a leg in the management
[01:08:12] level, it has a political leg, and
[01:08:15] in the one-party structure, in the Presidential
[01:08:19] Government System, there is intervention from certain
[01:08:23] places by political figures, saying to wait
[01:08:26] 10 months or not to do this, or that
[01:08:30] there is no need for regulation regarding
[01:08:33] these transactions. Yes, now
[01:08:36] I will go to Mr. Türkoğlu, but before I do,
[01:08:39] I want to ask my friends to prepare
[01:08:42] visual number 5. As I stated earlier,
[01:08:45] the Minister of Treasury and Finance, Mehmet Şimşek,
[01:08:49] made this statement 10 months ago, and then what happened?
[01:08:53] Today, Karar Newspaper had an important
[01:08:56] news item about this, a news item on its front
[01:09:00] page. Let's look at that too. It says the instruction
[01:09:03] to the CMB went in December. Karar Newspaper
[01:09:07] states in its news
[01:09:09] published today that while it is debated
[01:09:13] why measures against the crisis in the fund market
[01:09:16] were not taken in time, it has been learned
[01:09:19] that the plan prepared by the CMB to prevent
[01:09:22] manipulation was approved only 10 months later.
[01:09:26] The Financial Stability Committee gave instructions to the CMB
[01:09:30] on December 2, 2025. The CMB then established
[01:09:33] a working group on December 3 and prepared a text.
[01:09:36] On December 15, it requested opinions and evaluations
[01:09:40] from Borsa Istanbul AŞ and
[01:09:42] Istanbul Takas Saklama Bankası AŞ. The expected opinions
[01:09:45] reached the CMB in August 2026.
[01:09:49] That is, the report came in August 2026,
[01:09:53] or rather it couldn't come at all. Mr. Türkoğlu
[01:09:56] now. There were also questions
[01:09:59] asked by Erhan Usta, İyi Party Samsun MP,
[01:10:02] regarding these funds, both about the investigation
[01:10:05] and the liquidation process. He brought it
[01:10:09] to the agenda of the Parliament. He had critical questions
[01:10:29] for the Minister of Treasury and Finance, Mehmet Şimşek. For example,
[01:10:32] he asked, "Why was there a 10-month delay?" He
[01:10:35] asked who would compensate the small investor's
[01:10:38] loss. He asked whether the competent institutions had done
[01:10:51] their duty or not. Had they neglected
[01:10:54] their duty? He asked if it would be investigated.
[01:10:58] He asked if action would be taken against
[01:11:01] those who were negligent in the CMB and other institutions. We are concerned
[01:11:05] that this will be glossed over with explanations,
[01:11:08] because, if we look at the matter
[01:11:13] more broadly, as I mentioned earlier, these things do not happen
[01:11:17] without the support of the political will.
[01:11:20] The one-man system, that is, the one-palace
[01:11:23] system, as my esteemed colleague alluded to earlier,
[01:11:26] leaves no specific weight,
[01:11:29] no originality,
[01:11:31] and no expertise to anyone. So,
[01:11:35] if we think that the chairman of the CMB, the chairman of the Central Bank,
[01:11:39] the members of the BRSA or any other
[01:11:42] such institutions or boards in Turkey
[01:11:46] can act solely in accordance with what
[01:11:50] the law dictates to them or what the market conditions
[01:11:53] require, we are in a great
[01:11:56] delusion. Why are we
[01:12:00] in such a delusion? We have seen
[01:12:03] plenty of examples. Look, regarding
[01:12:06] this Katılım Evim, for example, I had a meeting
[01:12:10] because of a problem that occurred specifically
[01:12:13] in Bursa. There was a crisis called
[01:12:17] Atış Yapı, and in this crisis, there were
[01:12:20] thousands of victims. The land in the middle
[01:12:24] of a big city was on Katılım Evim,
[01:12:27] and when we talked to him about why these sales
[01:12:31] were overlooked, we couldn't solve
[01:12:34] the problem in detail. But now, I will
[01:12:38] not name names, but we saw that none of these things happened
[01:12:42] without the support of the political will. It is clear
[01:12:46] that the value of the land there
[01:12:48] is around 300 million dollars.
[01:12:52] It stands there clearly. We want the assets
[01:13:25] of those who caused these losses,
[01:13:28] these manipulations, to be confiscated,
[01:13:31] including the capital and money they took
[01:13:35] abroad, and we want the damages
[01:13:38] of the victimized, so to speak,
[01:13:41] defrauded citizens to be compensated.
[01:13:44] Look, he knows, he leaves after two
[01:13:47] months, and during his tenure, he serves
[01:13:51] as the chairman of the Corporate Governance Committee
[01:13:55] and is involved in the audit and early
[01:13:58] risk detection committees. For example, there is another
[01:14:01] name, again Necip Fazıl Kaymaz, former
[01:14:04] Deputy Head of the Presidential Finance Office,
[01:14:07] who is appointed as a chief advisor in the same holding. You know the
[01:14:11] others, Kerem Alkin, Emre Alkin. Now, these are not independent
[01:14:15] of this work. What is said, what
[01:14:18] is heard, what is known is the same. Now, what
[01:14:22] the citizen is wondering is what will happen
[01:14:25] to us, what will happen to our losses. I mean,
[01:14:29] according to what the experts say, there are
[01:14:32] three areas of risk here,
[01:14:36] that is, there are three different things.
[01:14:38] Firstly, this can take 2-3
[01:14:42] months at the beginning, how the net figure
[01:14:45] will turn out. But there are two
[01:14:48] main types of funds: money market funds
[01:14:51] and equity funds. Money market
[01:14:55] funds, these are low-risk,
[01:14:57] in category 1,2. This 330 billion
[01:15:01] part is on this side. Their risk is slightly
[01:15:04] lower. The deposits in the funds,
[01:15:07] assets like treasury bills, retain their value.
[01:15:11] However, approximately half of the funds
[01:15:14] were evaluated with reverse repo transactions.
[01:15:17] On this occasion, that is, things that
[01:15:21] experts will know more about, it touches
[01:15:24] on bubble stocks. With the assumption that
[01:15:27] the value of these stocks will be very low,
[01:15:30] there may be a loss of 100 billion in money
[01:15:33] market funds, which also amounts
[01:15:36] to 100 billion. The main equity funds are high-risk,
[01:15:40] in category 6-7, as the professor also
[01:15:44] mentioned earlier. Approximately 500 billion of the assets in question
[01:15:48] are here. We predict that the value of the
[01:15:50] stocks held by these funds will be very
[01:15:54] low, that is, there may be a 90%
[01:15:58] loss here, all experts say. Of
[01:16:01] course, this rate, that is,
[01:16:03] people will hardly be able to get even
[01:16:06] 10% of their money. That is, for
[01:16:10] those in the equity funds I mentioned
[01:16:13] last, experts have opinions that
[01:16:17] it could be like this. These
[01:16:20] have been discussed for days, the professor
[01:16:24] can confirm it. In short, the country's
[01:16:28] economy is facing a total collapse, a total rottenness,
[01:16:31] a separate crisis, the working life
[01:16:35] is a separate crisis, we are facing such a
[01:16:38] chaotic situation. Who managed
[01:16:42] this place? I mean, isn't there a political
[01:16:44] dimension to this for God's sake? Aren't these people responsible?
[01:16:48] Can the government get away with saying "Hey,
[01:16:51] Where will they be we lost." Is there such a
[01:16:54] thing? No, it's not
[01:16:58] like that. There's no risk here. There's
[01:17:01] a fraudulent network set up for citizens
[01:17:04] here. In this fraudulent network, the main
[01:17:08] culprits are those who established
[01:17:11] this whole
[01:17:14] fraudulent scheme, along with the political actors involved.
[01:17:17] The Capital Markets Board (SPK), the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Treasury,
[01:17:20] all of them who did not fulfill their duties,
[01:17:23] are involved. Yes. They need to be held accountable. The government cannot get away with saying
[01:17:27] "There is profit and loss in this business."
[01:17:31] So, uh,
[01:17:35] now, uh, I'm asking
[01:17:38] our dear viewers, our guests,
[01:17:41] can a fund, or rather, the stocks that a fund invests in,
[01:17:45] if I can explain it correctly, increase by
[01:17:48] 10,000% in a year?
[01:17:52] The total return of the fund,
[01:17:56] meaning since its establishment, not in a year, but since
[01:18:00] its establishment, of course,
[01:18:03] at this point, today
[01:18:06] the statements made on Halk TV
[01:18:10] were widely discussed. Also, let me send our regards,
[01:18:14] Erda Sağlam will be with us tomorrow evening. Journalist Erda
[01:18:17] Sağlam's shares
[01:18:19] were first a closed fund.
[01:18:21] Now I will invite Bahadir Özgür once
[01:18:24] again to my side, but we will proceed by taking Mr. Genal's
[01:18:28] comments. I want to ask my friends
[01:18:31] for visual number 6. A fund is
[01:18:35] closed before it is opened to Tefas. This fund,
[01:18:38] which is said to have increased by approximately 10,000%, has 12
[01:18:42] people in it. Now, this is the most discussed
[01:18:46] fund, the TLY fund, which they call a high-risk fund.
[01:18:50] One of the main actors of this fund
[01:18:53] is this fund, which was actually established
[01:18:57] in 2020, but I will explain why we took it from March
[01:19:00] onwards. Now, in March, it was closed until July,
[01:19:04] meaning it was open to qualified investors. It was not open to everyone.
[01:19:07] You say, of course, you can enter whenever you want,
[01:19:11] sir. We cannot call this just a fund.
[01:19:14] This is a free fund. Let's invite
[01:19:18] you here too, Mr. Gen. Let me go next to Bahadır Özgür. Please,
[01:19:21] let's proceed together. Therefore, a free fund
[01:19:25] means that it is open
[01:19:28] only to qualified investors.
[01:19:31] Who is a qualified investor? Very good. The definition of a qualified investor
[01:19:35] was a definition made by the SPK.
[01:19:37] In due course,
[01:19:40] it just came out as someone
[01:19:43] with 10 million TL in assets. As of this year, that is,
[01:19:47] towards the end of 2025, they changed it.
[01:19:50] We also have warnings about that. Again,
[01:19:54] in the economy channel,
[01:19:57] you keep this qualified investor issue at 1 million
[01:20:00] TL. Everyone now has 1 million
[01:20:03] TL. In this inflationary environment, everyone has
[01:20:06] 1 million TL. That's why you need to change
[01:20:09] its definition. They changed its definition to someone
[01:20:13] with 10 million TL in the easiest way, but we know
[01:20:17] that in a place where there is no financial literacy in Turkey,
[01:20:20] even a person with
[01:20:24] 100 million TL, not
[01:20:26] 10 million, may not
[01:20:28] have the capacity
[01:20:31] to know what kind of risk a financial
[01:20:35] instrument carries. "I have completed
[01:20:38] 36 years in these markets, yes, even
[01:20:42] after 36 years, I still
[01:20:45] struggle to understand the risks behind some new financial
[01:20:48] instruments. You need to make
[01:20:52] connections, because our investors
[01:20:55] always focus on returns. The Vişne Mining
[01:20:58] stock has increased by 1925%. "Let's all go and buy Vişne Mining."
[01:21:02] But what is this stock? What is the balance sheet behind
[01:21:05] it?
[01:21:08] What is the cash flow? What is the price-to-earnings ratio?
[01:21:11] Who are the people involved in this? How was it
[01:21:15] established? Which supply chains does it use? I can ask
[01:21:19] you thousands of questions about this. Forget
[01:21:22] this, this is just one stock. There are other
[01:21:25] funds behind this that use derivative instruments
[01:21:29] to generate returns. Therefore,
[01:21:32] a qualified investor does not just mean
[01:21:35] someone with 10 million in financial assets; it also means
[01:21:39] someone with financial literacy.
[01:21:41] And if not, yes, then there is
[01:21:45] something I always emphasize in my broadcasts: independent,
[01:21:49] I repeat, independent, underlined in bold,
[01:21:52] independent financial advisors
[01:21:56] should be used for entry into these
[01:22:00] types of funds. Okay,
[01:22:02] a free fund is closed
[01:22:06] to the public. Let's say, of course, as journalists,
[01:22:09] our duty is to simplify something complex
[01:22:12] if there's a crime there. So we didn't
[01:22:15] write down the technical details, that's why we invited
[01:22:19] you. So let's simplify it like this then:
[01:22:22] you can't enter this even if you want to.
[01:22:25] This fund
[01:22:29] has 12 people. So there are 12 people. I took it from March onwards.
[01:22:32] Its establishment is older, but I can't explain why we took it. It's the point where
[01:22:36] the business started. So in March 2025, there are 12 people in this fund.
[01:22:40] We don't know these 12 people. That's the whole thing.
[01:22:43] Actually, March 2025 is an interesting
[01:22:46] date. Hmm. You tell it. In February 2025,
[01:22:50] a stock is offered to the public. Yes, it's not
[01:22:54] just Vişne Mining. There's also Destek, he will mention
[01:22:57] that too. In 2025, meaning the one
[01:23:00] who is accused now, and in February
[01:23:03] 2025, the company
[01:23:05] that was offered to the public, even though
[01:23:09] 25% was offered to the public, in the statement given by the person
[01:23:13] who is the controlling shareholder of Destek Factoring today, 20%
[01:23:17] was taken back. Do you know why this is important?
[01:23:24] The new party leader Özgür Özel is after something.
[01:23:27] He said something to us, he said that when
[01:23:31] the fund was closed, there were people inside. We need to find
[01:23:35] out who they are. That's the key. Who are these people?
[01:23:38] Who started this business and made huge profits
[01:23:41] from it? That's why these 12 people, it's not important that there are many people in a fund.
[01:23:45] It's not. Here, that's why we need to focus on
[01:23:48] these 13 people, or it could be 20 later, but
[01:23:52] what's important is the initial cap, the first people who set up this scheme.
[01:23:55] It actually reached 10.5 billion liras. Before
[01:23:59] I move on to that, our viewers get very angry when I interrupt
[01:24:03] Bahadır Özgür, but I will ask Mr. Gençal
[01:24:07] at this point, and then Bahadır Özgür can continue.
[01:24:11] Of course, in a very simple and understandable way, so that Ayşe Teyze and Mehmet Amca can understand:
[01:24:14] How did the prices of those shares balloon
[01:24:18] when this fund was closed and there were 12 people in it?
[01:24:21] He sold it to him, he sold it back to him, and the price of that share was driven up?
[01:24:25] How did it happen? Madam, while the public offering
[01:24:29] rate was 25%, and I had already taken
[01:24:32] ownership of 20% myself,
[01:24:35] with 5% remaining,
[01:24:38] I can use other methods to increase its price.
[01:24:42] What other methods could there be? It's still
[01:24:45] closed. I can take a loan.
[01:24:48] Through the loan I took,
[01:24:51] I can go and buy more shares for
[01:24:55] the fund. How can I get a loan
[01:24:58] to buy shares for the fund? I have another fund.
[01:25:01] Now, our viewers always ask, "There's no risk
[01:25:05] in money market funds." Please watch
[01:25:08] that video from November 11,
[01:25:12] 2025. Please watch the video.
[01:25:15] How can there be no risk? We say there
[01:25:18] are leveraged transactions
[01:25:22] in the money market. These are done with leveraged transactions
[01:25:25] in the money market. How are leveraged transactions
[01:25:29] done in the money market? When I said this, I was lynched. "How can
[01:25:33] there be leveraged transactions in the money market?" It can be done.
[01:25:36] How is it done? If I want to go and buy
[01:25:40] that 5% from around, option A:
[01:25:43] I need to put money into this fund, and right now, besides
[01:25:47] the 12 people, there is no one else. This fund is not public.
[01:25:50] It cannot obtain funds from anywhere else besides these 12 people.
[01:25:54] Or I need to create
[01:25:57] a source to be able to buy shares
[01:26:01] for my fund again. How do I create
[01:26:04] that source? By giving the assets
[01:26:07] of this fund as collateral to another fund,
[01:26:11] and on the other side, as a money market, which is public,
[01:26:14] there is that 1 and 2 risk profile I mentioned, which is very
[01:26:18] low risk.
[01:26:25] By giving a higher interest rate to things, how much? Monthly 1%,
[01:26:28] yearly, with compounding or compound interest, by offering
[01:26:32] a return maturity
[01:26:34] that is 13% higher,
[01:26:37] I can bring funds into this money market
[01:26:40] fund. And in the same way,
[01:26:44] with a stock collateral from here, with that stock
[01:26:47] collateral, a bubble was created.
[01:26:51] I can take the 5% back into the fund.
[01:26:55] So the fund you said was very safe is actually being poisoned. You know, you're saying, yes,
[01:26:58] think like this: I gave this example earlier, Mr. Selçuk said,
[01:27:01] uh, there can be losses
[01:27:05] in money market funds of 100 billion. You don't know
[01:27:08] its nature. We don't know who
[01:27:11] has how much leverage, what kind of collateralization
[01:27:15] is done in which fund, in which money market fund, what
[01:27:17] is inside this fund. From here, I say:
[01:27:21] "To all investors, in their future
[01:27:25] fund investments, I want to say this:
[01:27:28] What is inside the fund? What am I buying?
[01:27:32] When you go to the market, you choose tomatoes, right?
[01:27:35] You don't just take a paper bag. You look inside the paper bag.
[01:27:39] What's inside? Tomatoes, zucchini, eggplant. And
[01:27:42] is it rotten or not?
[01:27:46] Please look inside the fund. What is there? Which stock
[01:27:49] is there?" Is there a bond,
[01:27:53] a private sector bond? Which company's private sector
[01:27:56] bond is there? Which company's stock is there? Not just
[01:28:00] that it has risen by 1925%.
[01:28:02] What is it? Why did it rise? Did this guy
[01:28:06] discover a quantum computer? Yes, well, thank you very much.
[01:28:09] Let Mr. Gençol take his seat. I'll pass it to Bahadır Özgür to explain. I think
[01:28:13] this is understood. These 12 people
[01:28:17] are currently under investigation, which is very important. This is what Özgür Özel
[01:28:34] is pointing to. Tera, through this stock,
[01:28:37] inflated the price as explained earlier.
[01:28:40] The mechanisms increased by 1900% in 6 months
[01:28:44] after the public offering. There is no such thing as a 19% increase in 6 months.
[01:28:48] This is like splitting the moon in two. If you believe that,
[01:28:50] you'll believe this too. I mean, if you believe the sea parted,
[01:28:54] you'll believe this too. It can't be otherwise.
[01:28:57] There's no such thing in the world, nor in such a company, as he said.
[01:29:00] I mean,
[01:29:02] "Did you find a cure for a fatal disease? Did you produce
[01:29:06] a quantum computer?" Sir, in some stocks abroad,
[01:29:10] not in 6 months, but in periods of 2,
[01:29:13] 3, 4 years, the stock
[01:29:17] price sometimes multiplies by 10 or 20.
[01:29:20] But there's a story behind these stocks.
[01:29:23] I'm going to say that. There's nothing here. When this happens, people
[01:29:27] in the fund also naturally spread
[01:29:30] propaganda: "The fund is very valuable, it earns this much." saying it earns
[01:29:33] this much. And Tera's fund comes
[01:29:37] in July. In July 2025,
[01:29:40] it becomes open to everyone, to everyone. They say, "Oh,
[01:29:44] how much does this fund earn? It has this kind of stock."
[01:29:47] This is spread to everyone through social
[01:29:50] media, through propaganda tools,
[01:29:53] YouTube, Telegram, many channels get involved.
[01:29:57] Look, this is a network. That's why
[01:30:00] after it opened, the number of people immediately jumped to 107.
[01:30:03] The size reached 23.7 billion liras. So it doubled.
[01:30:07] Three months later, the number of people reached 47,000.
[01:30:11] The size increased to 43 billion liras. Today,
[01:30:14] there are 102,000 people, including those who left,
[01:30:17] the remaining 102,000 people. The size is also 234
[01:30:21] billion liras. People should just calculate this:
[01:30:24] From last July to this
[01:30:27] September, all
[01:30:31] the most discussed closed funds of Tera
[01:30:34] and who those people are? How will we find this out now?
[01:30:38] We can't find this out. Even if we knew, we couldn't say it, because it's forbidden.
[01:30:42] Forbidden. The prosecutor,
[01:30:45] so Mr. Ömer is right, this is not SPK, BDDK,
[01:30:48] or whatever. This needs to be investigated
[01:30:52] by public prosecutors as qualified fraud,
[01:30:55] as an accusation of a gang, as an accusation of organized
[01:30:58] crime, so that all of these can come to light. Otherwise,
[01:31:01] look, when you look at the charges written
[01:31:04] against those currently detained and questioned,
[01:31:08] they are related to the SPK law. Mr. Süleyman knows the SPK law better,
[01:31:11] there are penalties between 3 and 5 years.
[01:31:15] This investigation cannot be conducted with
[01:31:18] that law. This is an organized fraud.
[01:31:22] I mean, how do you,
[01:31:25] in IMM, how do you immediately classify
[01:31:29] the use of a banned substance by celebrities as money laundering?
[01:31:32] I mean, today, anyone you arrest, you start
[01:31:36] classifying the proceeds of crime as money laundering and organized crime.
[01:31:39] This is the real organized crime. That's why
[01:31:43] the question always is, who are these lucky 12 people? Who are the founders
[01:31:46] of this fund, and who is the person
[01:31:49] who inflated this stock like this? When we start from there,
[01:31:53] we will begin to solve this problem. There is no
[01:31:56] other way. Therefore, I insistently
[01:31:59] emphasize, look, call this what it is:
[01:32:02] a fund crisis. Some people are deliberately muddying the waters. This is not a fund crisis,
[01:32:06] it's not a stock market crisis. This is not just
[01:32:09] manipulation. We're talking about a structure here. Look, this structure
[01:32:12] is powerful enough to have journalists
[01:32:15] detained, arrested, and to block access to their news.
[01:32:18] This structure is powerful enough to manipulate
[01:32:22] social media, Telegram, YouTube. This structure
[01:32:25] is powerful enough to feed hundreds of trolls. Because
[01:32:28] when you open your mouth, look, one of these seized funds was Bulls Investment.
[01:32:32] They offered a company with zero employees to the public. I asked how a company
[01:32:36] with zero employees could exist. "Is there no tea maker?" Both
[01:32:40] a lawsuit was filed and a ban was imposed. Instantly, within an
[01:32:43] hour. Within an hour. I
[01:32:46] will ask him to ask again.
[01:32:50] How does a company with zero employees work?
[01:32:53] When offering a company with zero employees to the public,
[01:32:57] the prospectus, the IPO document, states that we have zero employees.
[01:33:01] That's why I'm saying, from the period of the IPO mobilization
[01:33:04] until now, how much time has passed,
[01:33:07] and what has happened? How many years ago was it established?
[01:33:10] It starts with IPOs. There were some rip-offs there,
[01:33:14] then came the funds. And if
[01:33:17] this structure is not liquidated,
[01:33:19] those who did this will come up with something else tomorrow. It won't make a difference.
[01:33:23] Tomorrow, they will do this through
[01:33:26] another mechanism. That's why
[01:33:29] one needs to look at the Tera business as an organism.
[01:33:33] This has permeated many places, look. That's why I will say
[01:33:37] it right away and not interrupt again. I'll leave it at that.
[01:33:40] Look, just selling these stocks
[01:33:43] and paying the funds will not work. In the Madoff case,
[01:33:47] they sold everything down to his socks. Look, the state took
[01:33:50] his house, his car, the money he left to his children
[01:33:54] in the Madoff case in America, and they paid
[01:33:58] almost all of it. And this was not
[01:34:01] this much, you know? You're talking about 20 billion dollars.
[01:34:05] What does this mean? It corresponds to 1%
[01:34:08] of Turkey's national income, 1-1.5% of its economic
[01:34:12] size. This is not a joke. This is
[01:34:15] not an issue that can be simply brushed aside.
[01:34:19] Yes, Bahadur Özgür explained it very clearly and precisely.
[01:34:22] Let me summarize it and then give the floor to my guests. 12 people, a closed fund,
[01:34:26] and then Tera opens itself to the public. The number
[01:34:30] of people suddenly jumps from 12 to 107.
[01:34:33] Three months later, it reaches 47,000.
[01:34:36] At the point we have reached,
[01:34:39] this is the most discussed fund. Can we say this is the number of people
[01:34:42] stuck in the fund? Uh,
[01:34:45] we don't know right now. I, I actually,
[01:34:49] the liquidation process of the funds was also announced promptly.
[01:34:52] It is correct, a good
[01:34:56] action, but very incomplete.
[01:34:59] Why incomplete? Within the liquidation process
[01:35:01] of the funds, how will you sell
[01:35:05] such illiquid stocks,
[01:35:09] which have no liquidity, at what price,
[01:35:11] to whom, and when? I mean, they say 3 months.
[01:35:15] I honestly
[01:35:17] uh, it's not just
[01:35:21] 12 people. Look, it's not just
[01:35:24] 12 people. Because
[01:35:28] the loss incurred by this fund,
[01:35:31] including this fund and the 131 funds mentioned,
[01:35:35] the loss that will be incurred,
[01:35:37] if it is 10 billion, 15 billion, 20 billion,
[01:35:41] whatever it is in dollars, we don't know the exact amount right now.
[01:35:47] In order not to victimize
[01:35:50] so many people, so many people who are stuck
[01:35:53] inside, the public needs to intervene politically
[01:35:57] again. This time, it will put 86
[01:36:00] million under a new
[01:36:03] obligation. Let me take my seat,
[01:36:07] I'll go through it quickly. There's also a solution. Let's discuss the solution, Mr. Bülbül.
[01:36:11] These lucky 12 people, and now Bahadır's explanations.
[01:36:15] After that, Özgür Özel's question on Friday comes to mind
[01:36:18] again. He said that there are some questions
[01:36:21] we will ask in the coming days. You will remember.
[01:36:25] What do you think he will ask, and to whom will he ask it?
[01:36:28] Of course, were the political
[01:36:31] instructions given during the 10-month
[01:36:33] period? If not, why weren't
[01:36:37] they given? Why did the minister wait
[01:36:41] so long? I mean, here's the thing:
[01:36:44] they are only listing the names of the fund managers who carried out these transactions
[01:36:48] right now. Prosecutor's
[01:36:51] proceedings are being carried out against them, they are being detained. What's important
[01:36:54] here is who benefited, who established
[01:36:58] this mechanism? This mechanism
[01:37:02] is an organized fraud mechanism. So there are those
[01:37:05] who established this mechanism. Is there intervention from politicians?
[01:37:09] Who protected them? Is there protection
[01:37:12] for those who established this mechanism? Also, who
[01:37:16] ignored this? This is very important. Why
[01:37:18] am I saying this? Now, the owner
[01:37:22] of Destek Holding, Altunç
[01:37:25] Kumov, gave a statement. In this statement,
[01:37:29] he says that regarding the market value of Destek Factoring rising
[01:37:32] from 15 billion TL to 1.3 trillion TL,
[01:37:36] he says, "I, as the company owner,
[01:37:39] didn't know what to do." And in his statement, he also says,
[01:37:43] "We are a company audited
[01:37:46] by the SPK. We thought that if there was an abnormal
[01:37:50] situation, we would definitely be notified." You know,
[01:37:54] can you imagine? I am audited
[01:37:56] by the SPK. Also audited
[01:38:00] by the BDDK. A factoring company
[01:38:04] is also audited by the BDDK. Yes, a company
[01:38:07] with a market value of 15 billion TL has reached
[01:38:10] 1.3 trillion. He says this is abnormal, but
[01:38:14] we were being audited. I can also relay what else he said, and then I'll give you the floor.
[01:38:18] I want to ask my friends to bring up visual number 8.
[01:38:21] Uh, since Mr. Bülbül started explaining,
[01:38:24] the owner of Destek Holding told the prosecutor, he says, in summary,
[01:38:28] "The shares rose. Yes, I realized something was strange,
[01:38:31] but I also liked the increase in share prices," right?
[01:38:35] Doesn't Bahadur Özgür also?
[01:38:38] It's like money falling from the sky. Money is falling from the sky.
[01:38:42] You've opened 25% to the public.
[01:38:45] You have 75%. It was bought for 46 liras and went up to 3,000 liras.
[01:38:49] With 75% of it,
[01:38:52] it's almost like a freebie.
[01:38:56] He says, "I also sold 1%."
[01:39:06] Now the prosecutor asks, "There was no abnormality
[01:39:09] in the company, which had a market value of approximately 15 billion liras
[01:39:12] at 46 liras, reaching 1.3 trillion liras?"
[01:39:15] The answer: "Yes,
[01:39:18] the figure you mentioned is an abnormal figure, but as the company owner,
[01:39:22] I didn't know what to do in this situation.
[01:39:25] I sensed abnormality.
[01:39:35] The same thing happened with other companies on the stock market.
[01:39:38] Sales were made with permission,
[01:39:41] and at the same time, an announcement was made that the value of this company
[01:39:45] was not worth this much. This was immediately done for SASA.
[01:39:49] It happened with SASA too, I won't give names, but
[01:39:52] ultimately, you have something you can do.
[01:39:56] You have a public you're directing.
[01:40:00] You have the SPK and BDDK you're responsible to.
[01:40:03] Also, the company has legal personality. Simply put, there's a public,
[01:40:06] meaning the shares are constantly
[01:40:10] on the agenda, being discussed, funds are being discussed,
[01:40:14] and people are looking at what assets are in this fund.
[01:40:17] It's not just this company. Another company called Özata Denizcilik
[01:40:21] has also reached 7.5 billion dollars.
[01:40:24] Hocam, Katılım Evi is 8 billion dollars. Katılım Evi.
[01:40:28] Today, if you look, a company that would actually be worth
[01:40:32] between 75 million and 100 million dollars. How does it reach these
[01:40:35] levels? It starts competing with Turkey's giant industrial
[01:40:38] corporations, even surpassing them. Giant banks and industrial corporations cannot compete
[01:40:42] with these. Okay, another question. The prosecutor asks,
[01:40:46] "Your company is 4 times the size of Garanti Bank, Yapı Kredi Bank,
[01:40:49] as we just said, in terms
[01:40:52] of value?" when your company reached
[01:40:55] this size, didn't you see any
[01:40:59] manipulation or fraud here, he asks, and says,
[01:41:03] that the 4-fold increase in size you asked about is an abnormal
[01:41:06] situation, frankly, as a trader, it was
[01:41:09] a situation I liked, he says.
[01:41:12] The prosecutor's office asked who protected this mechanism,
[01:41:15] who didn't supervise it, who overlooked it,
[01:41:19] and
[01:41:21] we need to uncover this. They found some institution
[01:41:24] representatives, took them into custody. They are taking them.
[01:41:28] This wouldn't happen without a political leg, or without
[01:41:31] the ministry or without the CMB and
[01:41:34] the BRSA fully performing their supervisory
[01:41:38] and oversight duties . Such a thing wouldn't happen.
[01:41:42] Therefore, we need to uncover
[01:41:45] who provided this protection. You said independent judiciary,
[01:41:48] sir, you said impartial judiciary. You talked about trust in the judiciary.
[01:41:52] The trust in the judiciary my esteemed professor mentioned is below
[01:41:55] 20%.
[01:41:57] So far, the ministry
[01:42:00] has not removed anyone from their positions at the managerial
[01:42:04] level, has not opened any investigation, and it's like a trick is being played,
[01:42:07] as if nothing happened. So,
[01:42:10] within the framework of the judiciary,
[01:42:13] this cannot be solved by
[01:42:16] detaining these people or imposing travel bans.
[01:42:19] You are putting people in jail for 1.5 to 2 years
[01:42:23] in the Aktaş case, where there is no organization.
[01:42:26] You are imprisoning representatives of the national will with political
[01:42:30] operations, and then you come out and say there is no organization.
[01:42:33] Here, here there is an organization, here
[01:42:36] there is clearly, clearly
[01:42:39] something being run with fraud.
[01:42:42] Did they impose an access ban on the person?
[01:42:46] We will talk about that. The tweets of very important people
[01:42:50] were also removed, an access ban was imposed. Nobody should hear about it. Uğur Gürses
[01:42:53] will be brought to the screens shortly.
[01:42:57] "Let me go to my professor Semih, Professor Semih, what do you say in light of
[01:43:01] what we are talking about? Should we talk about these things or the climate that created
[01:43:05] this environment? Education? Value system? What should we talk about?
[01:43:08] Well, this is a very technical issue. Yes, we are learning, but our
[01:43:12] guests are trying to explain it very clearly to us. Of course.
[01:43:15] Of course, in the meantime, I said in the previous
[01:43:18] section what the social impacts will be, so I won't
[01:43:21] take up too much time in that regard. I only have one question in my mind
[01:43:25] that I want to convey to the guests."
[01:43:29] It's always said, for 10 months, this didn't happen
[01:43:32] in one day, it didn't happen in three days.
[01:43:35] My question is, why was this
[01:43:39] intervention made today? In other words,
[01:43:42] why wasn't it done before? it is asked.
[01:43:45] If it's a sustainable thing, why was this intervention
[01:43:48] needed today? Yes, otherwise it wasn't
[01:43:51] something that was discussed much, as explained
[01:43:55] just now, it didn't happen all at once.
[01:43:57] The increases, the value increases happened gradually, but today
[01:44:01] someone pushed the button. Let me contribute with
[01:44:05] a question. I will ask Mr. Gençol about it soon. You mentioned MSCI,
[01:44:09] what would have happened if it hadn't made that warning?
[01:44:12] It probably would have continued. So that's what comes to my mind.
[01:44:15] In short, if America hadn't pushed us,
[01:44:18] professor, if it hadn't said anything, it was
[01:44:21] like a grey list. This is not American politics after all, it's the business community
[01:44:25] because the funds in that business community with their
[01:44:27] fund sizes
[01:44:31] that invest in developing countries like Turkey
[01:44:34] also report to their own investors.
[01:44:38] They also report to their own regulatory bodies.
[01:44:41] While reporting to their own regulatory bodies,
[01:44:44] of course, it's transparent, I mean, let me
[01:44:47] tell you, in 2008,
[01:44:51] to make our funds
[01:44:53] compatible with European Union funds,
[01:44:57] I was working as the Deputy General Manager
[01:45:00] responsible for investments in the fund management
[01:45:03] industry at that time, for a foreign
[01:45:06] bank's subsidiary...
[01:45:10] I was working as the Deputy General Manager. There were so many meetings
[01:45:13] I attended, where we would say
[01:45:16] 'UCITS directive', meaning
[01:45:19] let's make Turkish funds compatible with European Union funds,
[01:45:23] yes, let's open
[01:45:27] a big source for investments
[01:45:30] here, let European funds come here and invest, let European investors
[01:45:34] also come and invest. If anyone wants,
[01:45:38] funds from Turkey can also
[01:45:42] go to Europe. However, after that date,
[01:45:45] especially the process of integration with the European Union
[01:45:48] has been constantly interrupted. Yes, unfortunately,
[01:45:52] this has kept us
[01:45:55] out of this integration. But don't ask me because we interrupted Professor Semih twice. We came to
[01:45:58] something related to the judiciary. No, it's not a problem. Please go ahead. It's not a problem.
[01:46:02] As I said, after all, we are trying to read
[01:46:06] and understand the technical side of the issue. Actually, the public and the citizens are also trying to understand.
[01:46:40] Due to the warning, with foreign
[01:46:44] funds and foreign capital investing in Borsa
[01:46:47] Istanbul feeling concerned, it intervened,
[01:46:51] taking into account the high probability of this
[01:46:54] ratio decreasing. So, what kind of
[01:46:57] trigger could have been for this? If this intervention hadn't happened,
[01:47:01] it would have been like this: MSCI would have said, "I am
[01:47:04] now moving Turkey from the emerging markets category to frontier
[01:47:08] market." This is a market where nothing is clear,
[01:47:11] where there is no transparency, where even how valuations
[01:47:15] are done is unclear. If anyone wants to take the risk,
[01:47:19] they should take it accordingly. I am reducing my weighting
[01:47:23] from this 2.5% level
[01:47:26] to 0.1%. Therefore, to be
[01:47:29] compatible with this, some funds that have invested in Turkey from
[01:47:33] abroad would turn around and sell here. It would be similar to the OECD
[01:47:36] putting us on a black list for money laundering.
[01:47:40] It's like credit rating agencies downgrading us from
[01:47:43] a level below investment
[01:47:46] grade to almost
[01:47:50] junk status.
[01:47:53] So, this is its technical meaning. Let me go to
[01:47:57] Mr. Türkoğlu. Mr. Türkoğlu will leave at the
[01:48:00] end of this hour, but I don't know if you have time, Mr. Türkoğlu. If
[01:48:04] you are leaving, I would like to hear your final words. Mr.
[01:48:07] Genal says that the spear doesn't fit in the sack. What do
[01:48:10] you say?
[01:48:15] He is right. The spear doesn't fit in the sack. Although
[01:48:18] it's in the tradition of the government
[01:48:20] to find a cover and excuse
[01:48:24] even if you build a minaret from here to the moon,
[01:48:27] the spear really doesn't fit in the sack anymore. Look,
[01:48:30] we need to look at it this way.
[01:48:33] There are lessons we need to learn
[01:48:36] from this incident. Just because
[01:48:40] funds are rising on the screen
[01:48:44] doesn't mean real wealth is created.
[01:48:47] Universal rules are clear, there's no need to rediscover
[01:48:51] them. Audits will be done on time. The biggest
[01:48:54] problem here is the clear lack of timely
[01:48:58] and real audits. There must be transparency,
[01:49:02] which is almost non-existent in any institution
[01:49:04] in Turkey. Responsibilities
[01:49:08] must be personalized.
[01:49:22] That is, it's not money to be lost at the
[01:49:26] financial gambling table, this should not be allowed.
[01:49:29] In short, we cannot condemn
[01:49:33] Turkey's economy to 3K.
[01:49:36] What is this? This is something we have seen a lot
[01:49:40] with this government, with the one-man rule:
[01:49:43] easy money, undeclared money,
[01:49:47] and black money. How long can an economy run
[01:49:50] on this? The biggest and most
[01:49:53] serious way of getting rich is now always
[01:49:57] through betting, black money,
[01:50:00] and manipulation in the stock market.
[01:50:03] Previously, when government officials came together,
[01:50:07] they always saw construction
[01:50:11] and tender businesses as profitable
[01:50:14] areas. Now, it is obvious
[01:50:17] that they have moved from seeing that as a profitable
[01:50:20] area to easier, faster, and higher profit
[01:50:24] areas. The capital
[01:50:28] market is built on trust. If there is no trust,
[01:50:31] then there is no stock market, no fund,
[01:50:35] and no financial center. If you think
[01:50:39] you are building a financial center by building
[01:50:43] buildings, then this is the
[01:50:46] result. We will be disgraced not only in our country
[01:50:49] but also in the whole world.
[01:50:53] Well, Mr. Türkoğlu, thank you very much
[01:50:57] for your time. We were going to talk at length, but due
[01:51:00] to these developments, we couldn't. Thank you.
[01:51:03] In a good party, we have raised the flag on this issue
[01:51:07] against all evils and wrongs,
[01:51:10] especially the process of betrayal. We have indeed
[01:51:14] raised the flag in Aksaray. Well, thank you very much. Let's take a break, then "Söz Sende"
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[02:00:12] our 3rd hour, and look, we have another valuable guest,
[02:00:15] journalist Ercüment Akdeniz.
[02:00:23] We have many topics, many questions to ask, and our viewers also have questions
[02:00:27] they are curious about. We will continue asking them. Now, before we go to a break,
[02:00:29] Mr. Bülbül was going to ask a question,
[02:00:33] we said let's ask it later. Please. As the New
[02:00:36] Party, we have made a statement from
[02:00:38] our economic council against this fraud, qualified fraud,
[02:00:42] and organized fraud targeting small
[02:00:45] savers who have taken money from the citizens' bread.
[02:00:49] In this context, we say as the New Party
[02:00:52] that the CMB should explain
[02:00:55] to the public the chronology
[02:00:57] of the process that led
[02:00:59] to the recommendation of 131 funds and the reasons
[02:01:02] for the delay. Why should it explain? Because
[02:01:06] according to the Capital Markets Board Law, the CMB
[02:01:10] has the duty to conduct honest, safe,
[02:01:13] honest, and transparent supervision and oversight.
[02:01:17] So, it has this duty. As you explained
[02:01:20] earlier, you said
[02:01:23] it should perform a safe and transparent supervisory
[02:01:26] duty. Therefore, it must explain this chronology,
[02:01:29] the scope of the criminal investigations carried out regarding
[02:01:33] suspicious transactions must be explained, and possible negligence and faults
[02:01:37] within the CMB must be independently investigated. This is very
[02:01:41] important. All fund, TEFAS, IPO, and
[02:01:44] other permits given during the periods of previous CMB managements must be reviewed
[02:01:55] retrospectively. The decision-making bodies
[02:01:58] of those who granted these bank establishment permits
[02:02:02] must also be investigated transparently and clearly.
[02:02:04] The asset and account restrictions imposed by MASAK must be announced, and measures
[02:02:08] to protect investors' receivables
[02:02:12] must be taken without delay.
[02:02:14] Individuals suspected of concrete fraud
[02:02:18] should not be allowed to remain in the management of financial
[02:02:21] institutions. They should be removed from their
[02:02:25] positions, and measures should be taken within the framework
[02:02:28] of the law regarding money laundering
[02:02:31] concerning their assets. Preventing them from escaping
[02:02:34] with their assets. Emlak Katılım's potential acquisition
[02:02:38] of Katılım Evim and Birey must be explained transparently,
[02:02:41] including valuation, liabilities, and risks, and the public
[02:02:44] should not be allowed to bear past losses. This is very important.
[02:02:48] If the state, due to the managers, could not perform its
[02:02:51] management and oversight duties in this process,
[02:02:55] there is a responsibility. While fulfilling this responsibility,
[02:02:59] public interest must be taken
[02:03:03] into consideration, and for example,
[02:03:06] the issue of Tera, which we mentioned earlier,
[02:03:10] is very important, very important.
[02:03:13] They started with 12 people, as you explained.
[02:03:18] And in March 2025,
[02:03:21] it reached 10.5 billion, but in
[02:03:24] September, it reached 102,000 people. 12 people
[02:03:27] reached 102,000 people. The size increased to 234
[02:03:31] billion TL. Who are these 12 people? Who
[02:03:34] is 825 billion?
[02:03:36] Yes, yes, who are
[02:03:40] these 12 people? If there is
[02:03:43] transparency, reliability, and supervision
[02:03:46] and oversight, how did these 12 people
[02:03:50] become 102,000 people? Who are these 12
[02:03:53] people? Are there relatives
[02:03:56] of those with political connections among these
[02:03:59] 12 people who benefited from this? Are there relatives
[02:04:03] of those in certain positions? Are there immediate
[02:04:07] relatives? Who overlooked
[02:04:10] whose interests? Who provided
[02:04:13] this? Who allowed them to benefit?
[02:04:16] These must be explained. Here, as a new party, our
[02:04:20] most important issue is the protection of small
[02:04:24] savers, Mr. Bülbül. Not just 12 people,
[02:04:27] yes, not just. Why not just 12 people?
[02:04:31] I will explain later, especially regarding this liquidation process,
[02:04:34] and regarding what needs to be done to prevent
[02:04:38] the public from being harmed by this, it's not just 12 people,
[02:04:42] but also everyone who has entered
[02:04:46] and exited the fund." In other words,
[02:04:49] everyone, somehow. We saw the
[02:04:52] Ahbap thing, you know, who invested
[02:04:56] money there, what happened, what ended, everything was publicly
[02:04:59] disclosed for everyone, right? Yes, so
[02:05:02] in this liquidation process,
[02:05:05] the smallest investor who has entered the last
[02:05:09] wagon and participated in this euphoria, and the small investor
[02:05:12] who is stuck inside, must not be victimized
[02:05:16] by this. For this, not just
[02:05:19] the 12 people who made abnormal amounts of money
[02:05:23] from this before, but also other people need to be revealed. The Minister of Justice always
[02:05:26] says, "Until whom does it reach?" Yes. Now,
[02:05:32] news is still coming in from the prosecutor's
[02:05:35] office in the evening, that is, close to 4
[02:05:38] billion liras were sent to a bank in Switzerland
[02:05:42] a few weeks before the day we said
[02:05:45] this fund could not pay and defaulted. So, money left this
[02:05:48] fund. Again, I don't understand how this
[02:05:51] money was sent from the bank, Mr. Bahadır.
[02:05:55] The BRSA immediately stops suspicious transactions. Professor,
[02:05:58] also the owner should send it.
[02:06:09] The bank calls, "Are you sending it? Are you doing this transaction
[02:06:12] from your mobile phone?" Did you say 4 million?
[02:06:16] Close to 4 billion TL goes to Switzerland. So, are you
[02:06:19] asking, a father sending allowance in euros
[02:06:21] to his child studying abroad,
[02:06:25] the banking system that asks for
[02:06:28] an explanation for this. How did it not see this? Was this money transferred
[02:06:32] outside the banking system completely,
[02:06:35] from the people's pockets? No, it's not a small saving. The name of the Swiss
[02:06:39] bank is known, the account from which it went is known. Therefore,
[02:06:43] it went through the banking system. The bank in Europe would
[02:06:45] not accept this without knowing the source
[02:06:49] of this money. So, it means these people have accounts
[02:06:53] opened on the other side. They have accounts opened. Exactly.
[02:06:56] It means there were also previous transfers. The bank's name is known because.
[02:07:02] Against this organized fraud stolen
[02:07:04] from the people's pockets, as a new party, we
[02:07:08] will hold accountable as many people as there are, including
[02:07:12] those with political connections among those 12 people.
[02:07:15] We promise our nation on this. Of course,
[02:07:19] our esteemed viewers watching us, thank you very much.
[02:07:23] We have to learn many things in accordance with
[02:07:26] the conditions we live in. For example, the financial literacy
[02:07:30] of citizens has developed. In law, we had to learn many things,
[02:07:33] and now it seems we will have extensive knowledge
[02:07:37] about funds, slowly. Therefore, we are all trying
[02:07:40] to understand, we are asking experts.
[02:07:44] For example, Kerim Rota says that in 4.5 years, the value
[02:07:48] of this fund increased 524 times. The money
[02:07:51] of someone who invested 1 million liras becomes 524
[02:07:54] million liras. But let's clarify that,
[02:07:58] for some,
[02:08:00] my question is, not everyone becomes like that. Now,
[02:08:04] someone who has 1 million liras and invests 1 million liras
[02:08:08] and earns 524 million liras, perhaps they took their money
[02:08:10] and left. It was the small investor who suffered.
[02:08:14] Is this correct? Did we understand correctly? Yes, yes, yes.
[02:08:17] So, who bought this fund and when did
[02:08:21] they get out? At what date? We cannot
[02:08:25] consider all the people who bought and exited the fund
[02:08:28] here as criminals. I can't say anything about that.
[02:08:31] From the very beginning, regarding the management
[02:08:33] of this fund, there is
[02:08:36] a faithful property account,
[02:08:40] as you know, there is
[02:08:43] management. So, what a fund manager should actually do
[02:08:47] is to treat it as if it were
[02:08:51] my own money, to show
[02:08:54] care, to pay attention. Beyond that care,
[02:08:58] to protect the investor's
[02:09:01] interests. This is the main
[02:09:05] duty of a fund manager. This is the main duty
[02:09:07] of an ethical fund manager. While doing this,
[02:09:11] the people who entered and exited this fund
[02:09:14] eventually reached their profits,
[02:09:16] realized them, took them. There's nothing to say about them.
[02:09:20] However, the fund manager and this portfolio management
[02:09:24] company have a big responsibility in this regard.
[02:09:27] This is one, two. Regarding
[02:09:31] the liquidation process,
[02:09:33] only two banks, one is İş Bankası, the other
[02:09:37] is Ziraat Bankası. Within a short period of 3
[02:09:40] months, the CMB said that there might
[02:09:43] be an extension at the end of
[02:09:46] 3 months. Considering these market conditions
[02:09:50] and the assets within the funds,
[02:09:53] if we consider them to be highly illiquid
[02:09:57] assets, the damage that will occur
[02:10:00] will be very large. Therefore,
[02:10:03] to prevent small investors
[02:10:07] who are stuck inside and have low financial literacy,
[02:10:10] who were perhaps People who entered here
[02:10:13] by hearing from someone, or entered here with good intentions
[02:10:17] or to earn a lot of money with the recommendation of someone.
[02:10:21] In order to compensate the damages of these people, just like it was done
[02:10:25] in Madoff, the amount of damages
[02:10:28] in these funds, which were bought and sold
[02:10:32] retrospectively, the amount of profits,
[02:10:35] should be given to the people who are currently
[02:10:39] suffering losses in some way. He posted a tweet yesterday,
[02:10:42] on top of that message,
[02:10:56] saying that I agree wholeheartedly and intellectually.
[02:11:00] This is what should be done as a general opinion
[02:11:03] in public. The parliament should take measures
[02:11:06] urgently to pass its legal regulation
[02:11:09] as soon as possible. I think there is
[02:11:13] an example in the United States, there was a similar example before,
[02:11:17] otherwise, after a certain time, we don't know
[02:11:20] how much damage has occurred as of now.
[02:11:23] As you know, there is a transfer of
[02:11:27] my participation house and my house to real estate participation.
[02:11:31] The damage that will arise here will eventually
[02:11:35] be tolerated by real estate participation
[02:11:37] and it will be necessary to re-capitalize.
[02:11:41] Where will this re-capitalization come from?
[02:11:44] It will mean a new burden on the citizens' backs
[02:11:48] as a capital transfer from the budget.
[02:11:51] So, a new budget deficit,
[02:11:53] new borrowing, paying more interest,
[02:11:57] new or more tax burden, new inflation,
[02:12:01] new disruption of income distribution,
[02:12:04] new disruption of wealth distribution,
[02:12:07] like this vicious cycle, a new vicious cycle
[02:12:10] in which Turkey's problems have grown even larger.
[02:12:14] On top of that, Ms. Bilge, at a point where global
[02:12:18] interest rates are currently increasing abroad,
[02:12:21] in a period where our current
[02:12:24] account deficit goes up to 51 billion dollars
[02:12:27] at the end of the year, and we are facing a risk of reputation,
[02:12:31] we don't know how much will come out of the net asset deficiency figure.
[02:12:34] It is added to the funding. Next year,
[02:12:37] we are entering into this obligation
[02:12:41] with higher interest rates in re-rolling the debts
[02:12:44] that have accumulated and are due.
[02:12:47] This means that Turkey is being exposed
[02:12:50] to a greater debt burden on its shoulders
[02:12:53] every passing day. Yes, on top of that,
[02:12:57] let me tell you, we are caught
[02:13:00] in a very delicate and sensitive period, where the real sector,
[02:13:03] which has a short position of
[02:13:06] 205 billion dollars in foreign currency,
[02:13:10] due to high TL interest rates,
[02:13:13] has generally entered
[02:13:16] into foreign exchange risk. At the same time,
[02:13:20] we are facing the risk that those
[02:13:22] who came here through swaps
[02:13:26] or capital market instruments
[02:13:29] will leave again. Now,
[02:13:33] we are talking about a loss,
[02:13:36] but it seems that this can grow
[02:13:39] like a snowball if the necessary
[02:13:42] measures are not taken in the coming period
[02:13:46] with indirect effects. For example, former
[02:13:50] MASAK Vice President Ramazan Başak says that
[02:13:53] a victim fund should be established with the money of those who defrauded
[02:13:57] hundreds of thousands of small investors by exploiting national feelings,
[02:14:00] and it should be given to the public through the victim fund.
[02:14:04] This is the only way to reduce the victimization
[02:14:07] caused by a small, impudent group. Mr. Gençav said that if a legal
[02:14:10] regulation is needed for this, it should be done as soon as possible.
[02:14:14] What kind of legal regulation should be made for this? Well, Ms. Bilge,
[02:14:17] look, currently,
[02:14:21] in this organized fraud operation
[02:14:24] that we believe constitutes a crime,
[02:14:28] simply arresting and detaining the fund managers
[02:14:31] won't solve the problem. Who benefited and who
[02:14:35] oversaw, who protected these?
[02:14:38] In this context, our current Turkish Penal Code, the TCK...
[02:14:42] The MK has sufficient provisions in this context,
[02:14:45] yes, it has sufficient provisions. Of course, a regulation can be made
[02:14:48] regarding these funds for the Capital Markets Board.
[02:14:52] A regulation can be made regarding the funding issues,
[02:14:55] and that regulation should be in line
[02:14:58] with the European Union.
[02:15:01] So, there are points
[02:15:05] where things can be done, but currently, in the TCK,
[02:15:08] the punishment systems for the crime committed,
[02:15:12] negligence of duty, abuse of duty, qualified fraud,
[02:15:15] and an organized crime
[02:15:19] structure, which the public knows as a gang,
[02:15:23] are sufficient in the TCK. There is equipment,
[02:15:26] so it's sufficient. If you apply the TCK
[02:15:30] to those who are likely to commit this crime,
[02:15:34] to those who make these allegations,
[02:15:37] it will be like the case in America.
[02:15:40] But the problem for us is
[02:15:44] whether the judiciary is independent, whether the judiciary is impartial,
[02:15:47] whether the judiciary will be able to use
[02:15:50] this hand against political
[02:15:54] focuses, because this operation
[02:15:58] related to these funds or banking portfolios
[02:16:01] is not an operation that can be done
[02:16:04] without a political side. Yes, this will not
[02:16:08] work until the judiciary reaches its political side.
[02:16:11] There is a politicized judiciary in Turkey.
[02:16:15] Can this judiciary in a politicized judiciary
[02:16:18] where dual law is applied reach
[02:16:21] these politicians? Can it reach political subjects?
[02:16:24] I am skeptical about this, Mr. Bey.
[02:16:27] o konuda liderlik sonuç itibariyle yeni parti
[02:16:31] under the leadership of other
[02:16:34] opposition parties, should gather the people
[02:16:37] who are victims of this and who may be victims
[02:16:41] of this in the future and form a pressure group,
[02:16:45] so that they don't suffer losses from these monies
[02:16:48] taken from their pockets. We need to be open to any kind
[02:16:51] of regulation in the parliament.
[02:16:55] We need to be open, but do you know where we are coming from?
[02:16:58] There is no balance, no supervision, no transparency,
[02:17:01] no accountable system. In this system, there is no one
[02:17:05] to hold accountable, no balance and supervision, and no transparency.
[02:17:09] There is no security. If this doesn't exist,
[02:17:12] today in funds, tomorrow in health,
[02:17:16] the day after tomorrow in another sector.
[02:17:19] So, we will continue to talk about these issues.
[02:17:23] Now, let me ask Ercüment Akdeniz as a journalist.
[02:17:27] You receive many messages, right? There are young people,
[02:17:30] there are public employees who say, "I saved up from my
[02:17:34] teeth and nails, I made some savings."
[02:17:37] There are also those who say, "I am collecting my money
[02:17:41] to buy a house." And there are those who say,
[02:17:44] "I invested my money in this fund to pay my rent at the end of the month
[02:17:48] and my bills, what should I do now?" How would Ercüment Akdeniz interpret
[02:17:52] all these events? First, let me tell you,
[02:17:55] I spoke with an accountant, someone who has been doing accounting
[02:17:59] professionally for years. He says, "I warned everyone
[02:18:02] who came to me not to get involved in these things,
[02:18:05] but when it became 1.63, it looked good,
[02:18:08] it could be. I put 200-250 thousand liras
[02:18:12] and it went bankrupt." The accountant put it in after
[02:18:16] warning? Yes, yes, that's the point.
[02:18:19] It's so tempting that the numbers go up so much that
[02:18:23] people think there must be a political power behind it, a guarantee, so
[02:18:26] they say, "I'll put my money in too." Now, this is striking.
[02:18:30] The second thing is, Ms. Bilge, it's interesting, there are some names
[02:18:33] in workplaces, in factories,
[02:18:37] workers have also entered this business.
[02:18:41] In neighborhoods or in companies,
[02:18:44] their nicknames change. They call them "grandfather,"
[02:18:47] they call them something else. These are experts,
[02:18:50] that is, there is a network
[02:18:53] that acts as a broker, I say in quotation marks,
[02:18:57] a very large network, and this needs
[02:19:01] to be revealed. That is, they direct,
[02:19:04] not this, but this, not this, but this.
[02:19:08] There are expert brothers now in many areas.
[02:19:12] We need to look into this. We are pressing on it a bit.
[02:19:15] We spoke with a minimum wage earner again.
[02:19:18] We will report on these,
[02:19:21] emekli olmuş, asgari ücretle çalışıyor, emekli olmuş.
[02:19:25] emekli maaşını almış, bu işe
[02:19:28] girmiş ve emekli olarak devam ediyor
[02:19:31] işe, asgari ücretti olarak devam ediyor ve diyor ki, ne
[02:19:34] olacak yani, nasıl alacağız, sen ne
[02:19:37] düşünüyorsun diye sorduğumda, vallahi çöp olur diyor, yani alamayacağımızı
[02:19:40] biliyoruz diyor, yani nereye gidelim, hangi avukata gidelim, ne yapalım
[02:19:44] falan diye bir şey var, emeklilerde de aynısı
[02:19:47] var, eee şimdi bir diğer konu şu
[02:19:50] eee
[02:19:54] yani... güç
[02:19:56] varsa o zaman siyasi ayak ne? Süleyman
[02:20:00] Bey'in söylediği şey o, o çok önemli. Yani katılıyorum,
[02:20:03] organize suç örgütleri madem ilan ediliyor herhalde
[02:20:06] bu da organize bir suç ve onun bir örgütü olmalı, bir lideri, bir
[02:20:10] ağı, bir salkımüzüm gibi değil mi? Hiyerarşisi falan
[02:20:14] olmalı yani. E bunlar herhalde bürokrasiye
[02:20:17] gider. Yani ve, siyasete
[02:20:21] gider. Eee, bunlar açığa çıkarılmadan bir güven.
[02:20:25] ortamı olacağını düşünmüyor vatandaş, yani siyaseten böyle bir şey olmasa
[02:20:28] bizim paralar gitti diyor, yani sadece bu gözaltına alınanlar, çünkü
[02:20:32] şöyle söylüyorlar, yine örnek vereyim, eee
[02:20:35] ya şimdi eee... alan aldı, vuran vurdu, kaçan
[02:20:39] kaçtı, eee, bunlar zaten yurt dışına
[02:20:42] götürmüşlerdir, bizzat bu işi bilen bir iki kişiyle de görüştüm,
[02:20:45] tabanda sahada, ya diyor ki yani adrese gittiğinizde bir şey
[02:20:49] bulamazsınız, yani boş bir ofis bulursunuz orada, bunlar böyle
[02:20:52] organize oluyorlar, yani mala el koymak, hani mala el
[02:20:56] konsun, şey olsun, bunlar da sonuç almayabilir, orada
[02:20:59] peki tabii farklı şey var, yani burada şimdi
[02:21:02] sadece bu yöneticilerle sınır tuttuğunuzda çok doğru, ama şimdi
[02:21:06] tera'ye baktığınız. zaman sonuçta buradan gelen parayla bir sürü şey
[02:21:09] almış, levent'te koca göktelen var, Nişantaş'ın
[02:21:13] en değerli arazisini daha iki ay önce almış 2 milyar liraya,
[02:21:16] Finlandiya'da Bier Duver fabrikası almış, eee Almanya'da
[02:21:20] otel yaptırıyor, şimdi Dubai'ye
[02:21:24] finans şeyi var, para aktarmışsın, yani dolayısıyla
[02:21:27] eee sadece fonlarla sınırlı
[02:21:30] tutarsanız hani tamam sorun orada o ayrı onu
[02:21:33] SPK işini yapacak oradaki nasıl tasfiye edeceğini falan ama
[02:21:37] eğer... "siz burada bir suç bulmuşsanız suçtan
[02:21:40] elde edilen gelir sayılır hepsi dolayısıyla
[02:21:43] onunla satın alın konması lazım bütün onunla satın
[02:21:46] alınmış bütün mal varlığını bir kere devletin
[02:21:50] çıkartması lazım eğer bunu şey sayıyorsanız
[02:21:54] yok bunu manipülasyon borsa suçu
[02:21:56] hani bunun cezası zaten 3 yıl 5 yıl organize suç değil eğer
[02:22:00] ona girerseyman karapanın aklanması yasasıyla ilgilie
[02:22:04] tedbir tedbiri oradan uygulanması gerekiyor"
[02:22:17] Goods acquired two centuries before the crime date,
[02:22:21] two centuries. This means you don't have such a rule,
[02:22:25] so you can seize all of it. A stony field in Sivas.
[02:22:29] He hasn't even seen it himself, it's useless, but you still seize it.
[02:22:33] You conducted an "only fence operation" in Adana,
[02:22:36] in the district, you seized the house he bought for his mother,
[02:22:39] you seized people's motorcycles. This means you can do it.
[02:22:42] That's why I think the part about how funds are liquidated is separate.
[02:22:46] Experts explain those. If there is a crime here,
[02:22:49] the assets obtained from it should not only be about
[02:22:53] looking at people's houses and asking if they have money in the bank.
[02:22:56] No. You have two plots of land
[02:22:59] in the forests of Beykoz, you are trying to build a villa.
[02:23:03] You have built a villa in Spain, in Malaga.
[02:23:07] These exist, I see them. Does the state not see them?
[02:23:09] You need to seize
[02:23:13] all of them. Only then can
[02:23:16] that victimization be resolved. After all, there is a loss for the public here,
[02:23:20] a loss for the state, and many other losses.
[02:23:24] Let me just say one thing, I interrupted you, but there's no end to this.
[02:23:28] Look at the banker victims, the housing acquisition assistance victims,
[02:23:31] the franc victims, the İmkan Bank victims,
[02:23:34] the TOKİ victims, the İhlas victims, now
[02:23:44] there are many. When everything has its victims, it's not like the public should come and rescue it every time. You will then turn around and say,
[02:23:48] "How can such a thing happen?" In a country like this, for 40 years,
[02:23:52] can there be victimization from every sector? This is not
[02:23:55] an isolated incident. In this case,
[02:23:58] neither in any of these
[02:24:00] victims did those who caused
[02:24:03] this asset receive a proper punishment.
[02:24:07] For example, when there are TOKİ victims, you don't prosecute the TOKİ director. I would say
[02:24:11] that every function can be manipulated.
[02:24:14] Therefore, if you start with the premise that
[02:24:18] every function can be manipulated, we need to do this
[02:24:21] not just by applying punishment, not by imposing
[02:24:25] restrictions on certain people, but
[02:24:28] with a total mobilization. This mobilization needs to start from
[02:24:32] financial literacy, and institutions
[02:24:35] need to be established with autonomous structures
[02:24:39] that operate transparently and competently,
[02:24:42] and within an accountable structure.
[02:24:45] And you need to create an environment
[02:24:48] where citizens, with this financial literacy
[02:24:51] and with these financial institutions
[02:24:54] that are established, can act in a coordinated
[02:24:58] way to invest. Otherwise, I tell you,
[02:25:01] I have completed 36 years
[02:25:05] in this finance community. You ask people,
[02:25:09] "What is your risk profile?" They say, "I don't take risks,"
[02:25:12] for example. But
[02:25:15] when you tell them, "There is a stock
[02:25:18] or another financial investment tool with a potential
[02:25:21] to earn 70-80%, would you enter this?"
[02:25:25] they immediately ask, "What is it?"
[02:25:29] Their risk profile suddenly gets thrown
[02:25:32] to one side. We need to establish
[02:25:36] an institutional structure that can control this
[02:25:38] in some way. That is, it needs to be done
[02:25:42] in portfolio management companies. So, let me tell you,
[02:25:45] that's why I listed these victims. Victims have been emerging for 40 years.
[02:25:49] Today,
[02:25:51] a lady
[02:25:53] over 70 years old, a lady,
[02:25:57] I learned that she had a private portfolio
[02:25:59] management in a portfolio management
[02:26:02] company with over 90%
[02:26:05] stocks. She told me,
[02:26:09] and she doesn't know what's in it.
[02:26:12] Look, she doesn't know.
[02:26:14] So,
[02:26:17] you are 70 years old, someone recommended it to you,
[02:26:21] and you have no competence. By competence, I mean
[02:26:25] she doesn't know financial markets, she doesn't know financial
[02:26:29] instruments, she doesn't know what kind
[02:26:32] of risks financial instruments bring.
[02:26:35] For example, let me ask you, there is an instrument
[02:26:38] with an 85% annual return in dollar terms.
[02:26:42] Would you like to buy it tomorrow? Would you like to, Professor Semih?
[02:26:46] If I had dollars, I would. Look, Semih Bey immediately
[02:26:49] said he would.
[02:26:52] But he didn't ask about the risk. He didn't ask what he was buying.
[02:26:54] He says, "I want it." He doesn't know what he's going to buy.
[02:26:58] What is the risk here? Please call me tomorrow.
[02:27:01] I'll buy Vestel bonds.
[02:27:05] But the condition is, I don't have dollars.
[02:27:08] There's a small problem. There's a small problem.
[02:27:12] You can even have 100 dollars, of course, that's right.
[02:27:15] So, unfortunately, people cannot think of
[02:27:19] risk and return together. Professor Semih,
[02:27:22] I think the whole discussion comes down to
[02:27:26] both law and justice, and what's left
[02:27:28] of trust.
[02:27:31] It was just a couple of sentences, I apologize.
[02:27:35] So, because those who were affected
[02:27:38] increased, the TOKİ victims,
[02:27:41] the earthquake, what's the result?
[02:27:44] Are the victims still victims? I can only say the ground notes.
[02:27:47] The experts are here. What the citizens think is this:
[02:27:50] they say that unless they touch the political
[02:27:54] and bureaucratic side, nothing will happen.
[02:27:57] On Friday, excuse me,
[02:28:00] we had a broadcast with the co-chair of the DEM Party
[02:28:04] on İlk TV. While discussing this issue,
[02:28:08] he said that they called for an extraordinary
[02:28:11] parliamentary meeting. It's very important. So,
[02:28:15] there are two tendencies among these victims.
[02:28:18] First, will they wait for a doctor?
[02:28:22] There is an extraordinary situation. Can there be an extraordinary
[02:28:26] initiative? All political parties,
[02:28:29] the opposition, are united. Second, where do we go?
[02:28:33] Is there a center? Who will help us?
[02:28:36] We need a call center. Yes.
[02:28:40] So, I was going to ask Professor Semih, the discussion always comes down
[02:28:44] to the reputation of institutions.
[02:28:46] when trust in justice has decreased, how much is left of the reputation
[02:28:50] of institutions is another question mark.
[02:28:54] What do you say? Well, I try to articulate this
[02:28:58] repeatedly. As the saying goes,
[02:29:01] "all colors were dirtied, and white came first."
[02:29:05] We have many insights. We talk about so many
[02:29:08] social issues, in almost every field.
[02:29:11] This is not a single issue to solve,
[02:29:15] it's palliative. For example, a week ago,
[02:29:19] we talked about our family's safety operations.
[02:29:22] You always say, "solve violence against
[02:29:25] women," but unless you solve domestic violence,
[02:29:29] unless you solve the declining birth rates,
[02:29:32] unless you solve the hopelessness among youth,
[02:29:36] unless you solve femicides,
[02:29:39] you cannot solve the entire problem
[02:29:42] in one area with such palliative
[02:29:45] and athletic measures. Now, technical issues are being discussed
[02:29:54] here, which is very natural,
[02:29:58] but I disagree on one point: I don't think this is a technical
[02:30:01] problem. So, what we call economy,
[02:30:04] we're talking about economic policy,
[02:30:08] economy is a choice, it's your choices.
[02:30:11] My dear Bahadır Özgür just explained.
[02:30:14] We talked about pyramid schemes for a long time.
[02:30:18] We started with the Banker Victims, Kaselli,
[02:30:22] we talked about Sekil Erzan at length, what it is,
[02:30:25] what it isn't. This is not one or two incidents,
[02:30:28] it's constantly repeating. Today, it comes as a surprise
[02:30:32] to most. Maybe the experts
[02:30:35] in this field were expecting it, but for the public,
[02:30:39] such a thing emerging is a surprise.
[02:30:43] The cost of this is not to trivialize
[02:30:46] it, but it can certainly be solved.
[02:30:50] The victims' grievances can be addressed.
[02:30:53] But the real problem is the system.
[02:30:56] If these are your choices, if you base the economy
[02:31:00] on manipulative activities, speculative activities,
[02:31:03] or paper trading on the stock market,
[02:31:07] if there is no production economy, if there is no real industrialization,
[02:31:10] if there are no breakthroughs in agriculture,
[02:31:13] in general economic terms, they call it mobilization.
[02:31:17] Mobilization should be like this.
[02:31:20] Otherwise, I'm sure they know
[02:31:23] how to audit and what's going on
[02:31:27] much better than us. This is a statement
[02:31:29] made 10 months ago. I claim that
[02:31:33] the statement made 10 months ago is not a coincidence.
[02:31:37] There's something they describe as knowing that certain things
[02:31:41] are happening, and I also know
[02:31:44] that they made those statements through
[02:31:47] the warnings of experts." "So, I see a transfer of wealth there.
[02:31:51] After all, it's a change of hands of money under the mattress.
[02:31:55] And you look at the names. The previous speaker,
[02:31:59] Volde, just explained whose children
[02:32:03] they are. They seem to continue
[02:32:06] this as a family profession. As a result,
[02:32:10] they are favored, they are privileged.
[02:32:13] As we always say, they display their wealth
[02:32:16] as if putting on a show in front of the masses
[02:32:20] living in deep poverty. Those holdings,
[02:32:23] those very ostentatious lives,
[02:32:26] those huge sums of money, yes,
[02:32:30] all of these do not match
[02:32:34] the reality of life. I don't think this problem
[02:32:38] can be solved with the measures you will take
[02:32:41] regarding banking and finance.
[02:32:44] It is a political problem, and if a change
[02:32:47] is required to solve it,
[02:32:51] I think that political change must happen.
[02:32:54] Otherwise, with palliative measures,
[02:32:58] with athletic measures, you cannot solve it."
[02:33:02] For example, one of our viewers asked, "I bought the fund on September 15th,
[02:33:05] all this happened on September 16th. My savings will be gone
[02:33:09] in a few days. And those who got on
[02:33:12] the last wagon of this train will suffer the consequences
[02:33:16] of those who profited, as we just discussed."
[02:33:20] This has turned into a pyramid scheme. Because the last one
[02:33:24] to get on unfortunately loses.
[02:33:26] Unfortunately, we are not seeing this movie for the first time.
[02:33:30] Now, how will these
[02:33:35] 31 funds be liquidated? Let's look at that.
[02:33:38] It's a question you're curious about. Now, Mr. Gençal,
[02:33:42] I will ask my friends to bring image number 13 to the screens.
[02:33:46] I will also invite Mr. Gençal
[02:33:47] to my side. A date was set, right?
[02:33:51] September 17th, 13:30.
[02:33:54] Yes. Now, it was said that
[02:33:57] those who gave a sell order before this date,
[02:34:01] at 13:29, would be prioritized.
[02:34:05] But there are many messages saying,
[02:34:08] "My order was canceled, the institutions concerned one by one
[02:34:12] to the notary, I am not a lawyer, but rather, as the son of a
[02:34:15] lawyer, to make the receivable due, a warning letter
[02:34:19] is needed from the notary. The logical sequence of what needs to be done
[02:34:22] is to send a warning letter from the notary with a document.
[02:34:25] This is very important information. Many viewers have written in. So, this
[02:34:29] question is for both of you and Mr. Bülbül. Now, a timetable
[02:34:33] or a roadmap for the liquidation of these funds
[02:34:36] has been set. Does this
[02:34:39] completely indicate a roadmap? For example, a question mark. As and to the relevant
[02:34:42] ones. Mr. Gencal stated
[02:34:45] earlier, in this sense, those who placed a sell order before
[02:34:48] 13:30 and whose order was not accepted
[02:34:52] should immediately send a notification
[02:34:56] from the notary to the relevant institution, and also to whoever
[02:35:00] will liquidate these, a warning letter should be sent. But now,
[02:35:04] where will it be sent? Is there a legal roadmap in this sense?
[02:35:07] Mr. is absolutely right.
[02:35:11] A warning letter is needed from the notary to make the receivable
[02:35:14] due. The warning letter will be sent
[02:35:17] to the first lawyer for consultation.
[02:35:20] They will go to a lawyer, consult a lawyer,
[02:35:24] and then the lawyer friend will
[02:35:27] most likely, as Mr. Gen said, suggest sending a warning letter
[02:35:31] from the notary to make the receivable due. The warning letter
[02:35:35] will not be sent to a single place. The warning letter
[02:35:38] will be sent to both the committees that will carry out this liquidation
[02:35:41] and to whoever is the fund
[02:35:45] company manager. So, this transaction must be done. It is very
[02:35:48] important. Well, they will be prioritized
[02:35:51] if the sell orders were accepted, right, Mr. Genc?
[02:35:55] They will be prioritized. Those whose sell orders were accepted
[02:35:59] and then canceled must do this
[02:36:03] with the document they have.
[02:36:05] That is, "I gave this, it was accepted, but then
[02:36:09] it was canceled. With this document, I had given this,
[02:36:13] so I am sending such a warning letter,"
[02:36:16] of course, lawyers know the legal language much better. So, will they
[02:36:20] primarily receive the amount they invested
[02:36:24] or is it a question mark? Is it not clear how much they will receive?
[02:36:27] They will receive whatever the announced
[02:36:30] fund price was as of that day,
[02:36:33] in proportion to their shares. They should have the right to receive
[02:36:36] that amount. Who will pay this money? Who will pay
[02:36:40] the money? The
[02:36:43] portfolio management company that received the exit order
[02:36:46] and as a result sold the assets
[02:36:49] within the fund will pay from the fund. The fund
[02:36:53] will pay them. So,
[02:36:56] the institution that performs the liquidation will pay.
[02:36:59] That is, which institution will liquidate? That is,
[02:37:03] Isbank for Tera's funds,
[02:37:06] and Ziraat Bank for the other six portfolio management companies.
[02:37:10] I am wondering if this will remain as a burden on those banks
[02:37:13] or indirectly on the citizens.
[02:37:17] It should not remain a burden. After all,
[02:37:20] I gave the exit order. This
[02:37:24] exit order, whether T+1
[02:37:28] or T+2, as of that day,
[02:37:32] whatever the fund price was, I should receive
[02:37:35] the amount of fund shares I have multiplied by
[02:37:39] the unit value of the fund from that fund price.
[02:37:43] But I cannot say "I defaulted". The company said so.
[02:37:46] So, professor,
[02:37:49] where will the money come from? That's a separate legal process. These
[02:37:53] banks, by selling the shares and assets
[02:37:56] within that fund, it's not a bank, it's a portfolio management
[02:37:59] company. It sells assets. There's no such
[02:38:02] thing here. The portfolio management company will liquidate
[02:38:06] the funds. Those who will liquidate the funds will sell and pay. This
[02:38:09] thing we are talking about is a completely different thing, a wealth fund. So,
[02:38:13] you are saying, who will buy those shares in 3 months? When the price
[02:38:17] doesn't come out right, you know, there are times when the wealth fund
[02:38:21] was put into action. If such a possibility arises, because
[02:38:24] what will happen when no one buys these shares? Then,
[02:38:28] we start talking about the public. I don't want to talk about that
[02:38:32] at all, Mr. Bahadir, because when the public gets involved
[02:38:35] in this, yes, automatically, this damage will affect
[02:38:39] 86 million people. Yes. Well, now,
[02:38:43] for those who gave instructions
[02:38:45] and whose orders were accepted until 13:30 on September 17th,
[02:38:49] such a process will operate. So, the question
[02:38:52] is, what will I do if I didn't give instructions until
[02:38:55] 13:30 on September 17th? Then, as part of the liquidation
[02:38:59] process, the institutions you will be dealing with will again
[02:39:03] be Isbank and Ziraat Bank, because Isbank
[02:39:06] is the custodian institution for Tera Portfolio's funds,
[02:39:10] and for the other 7 portfolio management companies'
[02:39:13] funds...
[02:39:45] a loan was taken, that institution paid its debt, those treasury
[02:39:49] bonds became liquid, so there's no problem there.
[02:39:52] Was there any information given about the process? I mean, in how
[02:39:55] much time? Up to 3 months. The CMB said up to 3 months. Within
[02:39:59] a 3-month period, these will be liquidated. So, at what
[02:40:02] value? At what value will he get
[02:40:04] his money back? At what value?
[02:40:08] That is, the amount we mentioned,
[02:40:11] the 800 plus, how many billions was it,
[02:40:14] which increased from 237
[02:40:17] to 8258, that amount
[02:40:21] will eventually be returned
[02:40:24] to the market, supporting factoring,
[02:40:27] cherry mining, Özata,
[02:40:30] shipping, etc., etc. There are other shares
[02:40:34] besides these, especially liquid ones. So,
[02:40:37] in total, the stock market will experience a period
[02:40:40] of both volatility and selling pressure
[02:40:44] in the upcoming period. So, in this period, it is important
[02:40:47] to establish trust so that there are no sales
[02:40:50] in stocks and no selling pressure
[02:40:54] comes from other places. That's why I'm saying
[02:40:57] that in this business,
[02:41:00] yes, Isbank and Ziraat Bank should
[02:41:04] only be the custodian institutions,
[02:41:07] but if this liquidation process is done in this way,
[02:41:10] it will create great grievances for those
[02:41:14] remaining in the fund, and at the same time, for
[02:41:17] other funds holding shares in the stock market
[02:41:21] and other investors holding shares,
[02:41:24] this liquidation process
[02:41:27] needs to be investigated retrospectively to find
[02:41:31] out who profited from this and needs to be done based on
[02:41:35] sharing from them. That's why I'm saying
[02:41:38] that there should be a legal regulation
[02:41:42] for this issue. Well, Mr. Turan, I wanted to add something
[02:41:46] to your question. Fatih Altaylı's article was discussed
[02:41:49] a lot today. He says he spoke to a doyen of banking
[02:41:53] and states that this person said they would be lucky
[02:41:56] if they could get 10% of what they invested,
[02:41:59] especially for equity-heavy funds, right? For equity-heavy free funds,
[02:42:03] I agree. If they can get 10%,
[02:42:07] because similar processes have been experienced.
[02:42:11] The same thing happened in the banker scandal mentioned earlier.
[02:42:14] The bank and İmar Bank experienced
[02:42:17] the same things in the 2001 crisis, and the grievances were
[02:42:21] somehow remedied. Otherwise,
[02:42:24] people couldn't get their housing savings
[02:42:28] fund money deducted from their own money for years.
[02:42:31] The question is, how will the liquidation process be? Mr. Gencal explained,
[02:42:35] but there are other questions. How will investors in the funds
[02:42:38] get their money back? Who was auditing these funds, and who
[02:42:42] will pay the damage? These are the main questions we are wondering about.
[02:42:46] These questions are still
[02:42:48] being asked in our minds.
[02:42:51] The answer is, we are talking, but there is no clear answer.
[02:42:55] It's not possible to give one.
[02:42:59] We have 8 minutes. We had
[02:43:02] a visual prepared about the funds. We will ask my friends to bring
[02:43:05] visual number 10. Now, Mr. Gençal just stated,
[02:43:09] that is, the risk perception of investors.
[02:43:12] If we can get visual number 10,
[02:43:15] friends, the visuals we put side by
[02:43:18] side. So, who takes risks and how?
[02:43:22] Or what do they think they are taking? What would
[02:43:25] you say about what investors
[02:43:27] should look at in the next period? I
[02:43:30] divided the investor's risk profile
[02:43:33] into 4. You can also make it 5 or
[02:43:36] 7, but the investor needs to ask
[02:43:39] themselves, "Which risk profile am I in?"
[02:43:43] and honestly answer it to themselves,
[02:43:46] so that in the next period,
[02:43:49] regarding the investments they will make, because I receive
[02:43:53] a lot of questions about this, from 20-year-olds
[02:43:56] to people in their 40s and 50s. Now,
[02:44:00] if I am conservative, if
[02:44:03] I am 20 years old and conservative,
[02:44:07] then I'm finished. What does this mean? It's not conservative
[02:44:11] in the usual sense, right? Here, financially, I will
[02:44:14] make sure my principal is okay, I want a small return
[02:44:17] against inflation, I don't want a higher return,
[02:44:21] for a very cautious attitude. So, the conservative side here
[02:44:25] is actually...
[02:44:30] someone who has retired, who has a small pension,
[02:44:34] someone who is an minimum wage earner
[02:44:37] and retired, who should not take risks.
[02:44:41] Yes, our 20-year-old friend has started working and
[02:44:45] earns a certain amount of money every month.
[02:44:48] I don't think they have the ability to save
[02:44:52] a portion of this money right now,
[02:44:55] but it is very
[02:44:58] important that they can direct whatever they save
[02:45:02] to the right place. That's why
[02:45:05] it's very important to allocate it to funds
[02:45:08] that match their investment
[02:45:10] risk profile. What are these
[02:45:14] funds? I mean,
[02:45:18] if my risk profile is very low,
[02:45:21] and if I look at it in terms of
[02:45:24] investment, if I am 30-35
[02:45:28] years old, I can buy short-term
[02:45:31] bonds, government bonds, or medium-term bonds, but
[02:45:35] if I am over 65, it means I should not invest
[02:45:38] anywhere beyond liquid funds. If
[02:45:41] I am 20 years old and can truly take
[02:45:45] a high risk, I can invest in a fund
[02:45:49] that holds 95%-97% stocks.
[02:45:53] Now, there is something very important
[02:45:56] I want to say here. That important thing
[02:45:59] is this: Please,
[02:46:03] let's not put all portfolio management companies
[02:46:06] in the same basket. Let's not.
[02:46:09] Because there are many independent portfolio
[02:46:12] management companies that do their job morally
[02:46:16] and properly. What investors
[02:46:19] should do here is actually go to
[02:46:22] that portfolio management company and get information
[02:46:25] about "how their investment
[02:46:28] processes are done and how their
[02:46:31] decision-making processes are done." If they
[02:46:35] say, "I have an investment
[02:46:38] committee that meets once a week, their
[02:46:42] decisions are written down, and after these
[02:46:45] decisions are written down, according to the risk profiles
[02:46:48] mentioned, for each fund, they make decisions
[02:46:52] with a transparent decision-making mechanism, investing
[02:46:55] in liquid assets, liquid shares. By liquid shares,
[02:46:58] I don't mean the adventurous shares we just talked about,
[02:47:02] creating added value by investing in these places,"
[02:47:05] then they can go to these portfolio
[02:47:08] management companies. Okay, thank you very much.
[02:47:12] I'll take Mr. Gencal's place, director. How many minutes do I have left?
[02:47:16] Now, Mr. Gencal stated that we have 4 minutes. Uğur
[02:47:20] Gürses has a post, if my friends can bring that up, please.
[02:47:24] Now, in this period, of course, the social media
[02:47:27] that young people follow, as Bahadır Özgür and our other guests
[02:47:31] stated, both on the X platform and through Telegram groups,
[02:47:34] many people who give investment advice under the name of "phenomenon",
[02:47:38] who explain how to invest in which stock,
[02:47:42] have actually been influential
[02:47:45] in the rise of these stocks.
[02:47:48] Bahadır Özgür, but on the other hand, there are also names
[02:47:52] whose social media accounts have been banned
[02:47:55] because they asked questions. One of them is Uğur
[02:47:59] Gürses. Uğur Gürses is also an important figure. Uğur Gürses
[02:48:03] is one of the last people to be accused of manipulation.
[02:48:05] Everyone knows this.
[02:48:08] I know him well. He is a financial expert who started
[02:48:12] at the central bank. He is
[02:48:15] a very valuable economist who knows financial
[02:48:18] markets and the economy very well. Look what he says:
[02:48:22] "Today, September 16th, the Istanbul 1st Criminal Peace Court issued
[02:48:26] a decision to block access to this post I made on X.
[02:48:29] The X platform has not yet implemented this decision. I ask,
[02:48:33] is there a criminal investigation? What was objectionable about
[02:48:36] saying this and requesting that the State Supervisory
[02:48:40] Council investigate this fund scandal? Even those who manipulated
[02:48:43] the funds should be dealt with
[02:48:47] as quickly as this blocking decision was made," says Uğur Gürses.
[02:48:51] Now, of course, I won't read the tweet
[02:48:54] that was blocked, but he is right
[02:48:57] in this respect: If
[02:49:00] public officials, the bureaucrats, have a crime
[02:49:04] in this, the institution that will audit this,
[02:49:07] as we talked about for hours, is the State Supervisory Council.
[02:49:11] The State Supervisory Council acts at the request of the President.
[02:49:15] It can conduct investigations and audits on any matter, but
[02:49:18] especially if there is a problem in public institutions. This has
[02:49:21] always been the case. Uğur Gürses said that the rules are applied here. If
[02:49:25] you are talking about the CMB, other bureaucrats,
[02:49:28] and even the judiciary involved in this matter,
[02:49:31] as we are saying and discussing, only the State Supervisory
[02:49:35] Council can audit it. He showed
[02:49:38] the right place, the right address. He showed
[02:49:42] an institution affiliated with the President. Uğur Gürses didn't say
[02:49:46] that an institution from outside Turkey. He actually
[02:49:49] summarized what we talked about for hours
[02:49:52] in five lines here. Of course,
[02:49:54] he also asked a question. They say there's no reason not
[02:49:58] to ask questions. But look, we later learn how those judges
[02:50:02] made the blocking decisions, didn't they? Some
[02:50:05] judges were tried in the HSK and removed
[02:50:08] from their duties. 1500 with one signature,
[02:50:12] 2000 with one signature, the same thing is done.
[02:50:15] What we are saying is this: This Tera issue is not
[02:50:18] just a fund issue, it's not limited to funds.
[02:50:22] By blocking this, you are increasing
[02:50:25] the suspicion even more. You already blocked what was
[02:50:28] written about Tera, you kept blocking it, and
[02:50:32] then the Tera scandal came out. Now,
[02:50:34] if you start blocking even those who discuss it
[02:50:37] reasonably, then people start to wonder. While
[02:50:41] some are investigating, are others trying to cover it up?
[02:50:44] While some are trying to direct the matter to the right
[02:50:48] address, are others trying to mislead and confuse the issue?
[02:50:51] We have experienced this many times. Let me just say one thing and finish.
[02:50:55] I'm going to a commercial. No operation has been concluded
[02:50:59] legally, starting from Can Holding until today. It's very important.
[02:51:02] This past two years, a country needs to ask
[02:51:05] about this. All of these were greatly debated. Perhaps
[02:51:09] it will take a little longer here because there are many victims,
[02:51:12] but I think this would be a much riskier,
[02:51:16] more dangerous thing. Thank you very much to economist
[02:51:19] and financial analyst Ömer Rıfat Gençal. Thank you for taking the time.
[02:51:22] Thank you. We will now take a break.
[02:51:26] "Söz Sende" will continue.
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[02:58:26] Mahmut Arıkan, Chairman of the Felicity Party, one of the
[02:58:30] most talked-about politicians of recent times,
[02:58:33] is a guest on Halk TV's "Gün Doğarken" with Deniz Bayramoğlu.
[02:58:36] What did he mean by saying, "I am not a politician
[02:58:39] who says I will not come together with the People's Alliance"?
[02:58:42] Will he join the People's Alliance? How does he
[02:58:45] view the Mecca agreement? What does the Ankara
[02:58:48] Table he proposed mean?
[02:58:51] What does he think about the process
[02:58:54] called "Terror-Free Turkey" and the allegations of a villa
[02:58:57] for Öcalan in İmralı? Deniz Bayramoğlu asks.
[02:59:01] "He answers in
[02:59:05] 'Gün Doğarken'."
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[03:00:09] "Söz Sende" continues on Halk TV after a short break.
[03:00:12] Of course, there are many hot topics on the agenda.
[03:00:16] The political agenda is also like that.
[03:00:19] We will discuss them too. A constitution is inevitable
[03:00:22] for Turkey. So, who says this?
[03:00:25] President Erdoğan's chief advisor, Mehmet Uçum, continues to make
[03:00:29] headlines with his statements, articles, and social media
[03:00:33] posts, as you will remember
[03:00:35] that brought the new constitution
[03:00:43] from last time. Look what he says now in his statements
[03:00:48] debates and the 50+1 rule back to the agenda: "The strong
[03:00:52] and more accurate rule system to be developed with the new
[03:00:55] constitution will provide many opportunities for Turkey to rise within the law and
[03:00:59] with the support of the law." Turkey, as the subject
[03:01:02] of a great march, starts a great march.
[03:01:05] The new Constitution will be the driving
[03:01:09] force of this great march.
[03:01:12] It is the duty of all of us to crown
[03:01:15] our Republic with a new and civilian constitution.
[03:01:19] This is not anyone's personal matter. It is a national
[03:01:22] issue for all of us. When the Grand National
[03:01:26] Assembly of Turkey makes the new constitution at
[03:01:29] the latest in its 29th
[03:01:30] term, the new constitution
[03:01:33] will be accepted with a very high percentage of votes
[03:01:37] in the mandatory popular vote," he says. This is
[03:01:41] actually very important. Every line brings a new
[03:01:45] question to mind. I will ask my esteemed how will a constitution be
[03:01:48] presented to the public for approval?
[03:01:51] If it is presented, what will the citizen say,
[03:01:54] as Mehmet Uçum stated? How will the parliament
[03:01:58] act? These are all questions that come to mind.
[03:02:02] But on the other hand, it says,
[03:02:05] "A new constitution will provide a great opportunity
[03:02:08] for Turkey to rise within the law and with
[03:02:12] the support of the law." Therefore, after this statement, I
[03:02:15] would immediately like to ask the lawyer and deputy.
[03:02:19] What do you say? Mehmet Uçum says Turkey is starting
[03:02:23] a new march.
[03:02:24] This constitution.
[03:02:27] This constitution is the Constitution of the Republic
[03:02:30] of Turkey. The Constitution of the Republic of Turkey consists of 177 articles.
[03:02:34] So, the constitution is on the shelf right now.
[03:02:37] They have put the constitution on the shelf. For example, just now, a decision
[03:02:41] was made regarding Uğur Gürses regarding
[03:02:45] the blocking of access. Who made the decision? Istanbul
[03:02:48] 1st Criminal Peace Court. What decision did it make?
[03:02:52] The State Supervisory Council should carry out operations
[03:02:54] regarding these funds, he made a statement on X.
[03:02:58] He used his freedom of expression. What did he say?
[03:03:02] He said, "Remove access immediately." Why is he removing access?
[03:03:05] There is no crime here. There is nothing that targets
[03:03:09] anyone's interests. There is a public request, Uğur Gürses.
[03:03:12] But the criminal peace judge made a decision to block
[03:03:16] access. Where is the reasoned
[03:03:18] decision? Article 141 of the unimplemented constitution.
[03:03:21] Court decisions must be reasoned. Now I ask
[03:03:25] to the judge who made
[03:03:28] the decision to block access in Istanbul 1st Criminal
[03:03:31] Peace Court, on what legal grounds did you
[03:03:35] decide to block access to Uğur Gürses's statement
[03:03:38] regarding the State Supervisory Council's call to duty?
[03:03:42] This is not being implemented. The constitution is in
[03:03:45] 14 booklets. Yes.
[03:03:50] For example, I'm giving
[03:03:53] an example. The news about Özlem Çerçioğlu, who got
[03:03:56] 344.3 votes by usurping the national
[03:04:00] will and became the Metropolitan Mayor of Aydın, switching to the AK Party,
[03:04:04] and whose husband's factory
[03:04:07] provided Toga rims,
[03:04:10] was immediately decided by the criminal peace
[03:04:13] court to be blocked. On what legal
[03:04:16] grounds did you decide to block access? The
[03:04:20] unimplemented constitution. Article 26, freedom of expression.
[03:04:23] Article 28, freedom of the press. The public's
[03:04:27] right to information. Article 2 of the constitution is
[03:04:31] clear: "The Republic of Turkey is a secular, social,
[03:04:34] and democratic state based on human rights." So,
[03:04:37] rights written in the constitution, the right to assembly, demonstration,
[03:04:40] and march, freedom of organization, freedom of expression,
[03:04:44] and many other rights like
[03:04:48] these. While there are many
[03:04:50] applications
[03:04:53] that violate the constitution that you have made
[03:04:56] outside of the rule of law regarding freedom
[03:05:00] to form trade unions, freedom to form associations,
[03:05:03] freedom of the press, freedom of information,
[03:05:06] and freedom to seek justice, the right to a
[03:05:09] fair trial, and personal liberty, while you are
[03:05:12] keeping the constitution on the shelf, you are
[03:05:15] not implementing the decisions
[03:05:18] of the Constitutional Court, even though Article 153
[03:05:21] of the constitution states that the decisions of the
[03:05:25] Constitutional Court are binding on legislative, executive, and
[03:05:28] judicial bodies and legal persons from the date
[03:05:31] of their publication in the Official Gazette. You say you do not
[03:05:35] recognize the decisions of the European Court
[03:05:38] of Human Rights, you do not implement them.
[03:05:41] You do not implement the constitution. And then Mr. Uçum, the head
[03:05:45] of the institution responsible for legal policies of
[03:05:48] the Palace, comes out and talks about a
[03:05:52] civilian democratic constitution. First, implement the constitution.
[03:05:55] Implement the right to liberty in the constitution,
[03:05:59] implement the right to security in the constitution,
[03:06:03] do not hinder freedom of expression, apply judicial
[03:06:05] independence, judicial impartiality, and fair trial rights,
[03:06:09] and then come out and talk about a
[03:06:12] civilian constitution. Leave dual law aside. Then
[03:06:16] come out and talk about a new constitution.
[03:06:20] As I said, this is a look-at-the-acrobat situation. I always say,
[03:06:23] in the European Court of Human Rights, we
[03:06:26] are first in human rights violation cases.
[03:06:30] We are first in violation cases. Despite
[03:06:33] the ECtHR decisions, Kavala and Demirtaş have been
[03:06:37] in prison for 10 years. According to Article
[03:06:40] 90 of the Constitution, international agreements should
[03:06:43] be applied according to national law. The ECtHR
[03:06:47] is a court decision that we must obey due
[03:06:50] to an international agreement. Why don't you apply
[03:06:53] it? He said, "We will leave if necessary." Now,
[03:06:57] the Constitutional Court decision regarding Tayfun Kahraman,
[03:07:01] which was issued 6 months ago, for retrial
[03:07:04] not been published in the Official Gazette. The
[03:07:07] President of the Constitutional Court has come out and said,
[03:07:11] "If we have made a mistake, we
[03:07:14] will correct it." Publish it, Mr. President, publish
[03:07:17] it. Tayfun Kahraman's child, Vera,
[03:07:20] has not seen her
[03:07:22] father for 4 years.
[03:07:25] Then they come out and talk about law,
[03:07:28] democracy, and freedoms. Dual legal system. As
[03:07:32] we just said, there is a problem of
[03:07:36] democracy in Turkey, there is a problem of
[03:07:39] freedoms in Turkey, there
[03:07:41] tweet atana eee gazeteciye,
[03:07:45] akademisyene ve muhaliflere yönelik ikili
[03:07:48] hukukla e düşman hukuku uygulanıyor, işte
[03:07:52] 15,5 milyon dayanışma oyuyla bizim
[03:07:55] cumhurbaşkanı adayımız Ekrem imamoğlu 19 Mart yargı darbesiyle şu
[03:07:59] anda cezaevinde. 18 aydan beri tutsak,
[03:08:01] tutsak, tel tel dökülen bir IBB
[03:08:05] iddianamesi, itirafçılar özür diliyor,
[03:08:09] hakkını helal et diyor duruşmalarda,
[03:08:12] belge yok, bilgi yok, ama bazıları var, rozet
[03:08:15] takıyor, rozetle aklanıyor,
[03:08:18] rozetle aklananlar var şu anda, e bu durumda çıkmış
[03:08:21] sayın Mehmet Uçum burada konuşuyor, yeni anayasa büyük
[03:08:25] büyük yürüyüşün itici gücü olacaktır, bir de diyor ki
[03:08:28] cumhuriyetimize yeni'. anayasayla taçlandırmak hepimizin vazifesi
[03:08:32] olacaktır diyor, milli meseleymiş, bu uçum
[03:08:35] denilen zat bundan daha önce, bundan geçen
[03:08:38] sene milli yargıdan bahsetti biliyor musunuz, milli yargı,
[03:08:42] ya yargı, milli yargı diye bir şey olabilir mi? Avrupa İnsan Hakları
[03:08:45] Sözleşmesi, Uluslararası insan Hakları sözleşmeleri, ahim,
[03:08:49] yani insan hakları ve insan onurunun tüm
[03:08:52] dünyada her yerde yargı bağımsızlığı,
[03:08:56] yargı tarafsızlığı, uluslararası belgelerle ee desteklenmektedir.
[03:09:01] "insanlar arasında ayrım olabilir mi? Anayasa ona göre insanlar arasında ayrım
[03:09:05] yapabilir miyiz? eşit olarak
[03:09:07] uygulanmak zorunda. açıdan burada
[03:09:10] çıkmış,
[03:09:12] Türkiye büyük yürüyüşe başlıyormuş, daha bu büyük yürüyüşü 25 yıldan beri
[03:09:16] başlayamadık, yargıda başlayamadık, cezaevleri
[03:09:19] dolu, 500 bin kişi cezaevinde, infaz düzenlemeleri
[03:09:23] yapılıyor, haksız, hukuksuz, eşitliksiz, pandemi
[03:09:26] döneminde, yarısı cezaevinde, yarısı dışarıda.
[03:09:30] "evet ekonomide başlayamadık ekonomide Bahadır
[03:09:34] Bey'in de söylediği gibi devamlı zedeciler çıkıyor, zedeciler çıkıyor,
[03:09:37] en son fzedeler çıktı, ekonominin
[03:09:40] geldiği noktada Türkiye'de şu anda Türkiş'in ağustos
[03:09:44] ayı araştırmasına göre 38.278 lir
[03:09:47] olan açlık sınırının altında 78.75
[03:09:51] lira asgari ücrette çalışan milyonlarca insan
[03:09:53] var, geçen hafta Kütahya'ya gittim, yeni
[03:09:57] parti olarak tüm 91 millet'.
[03:10:02] iz olarak biz tüm Türkiye'ye de illeri dolaşıyoruz, Kütahya görevime gittim, Kütahya Pazarında bir baktım
[03:10:06] elinde çay e dağıtan bir tane yaşlı
[03:10:10] amcamız, amca dedim, sen kaç yaşındasın? 71 yaşındayım
[03:10:13] dedi, sen emekli misin, emekliyim, ne kadar alıyorsun, 22.000
[03:10:17] lira alıyorum dedi, 15.000 lira kiraya veriyorum, geri kalan 5.000 lirayı
[03:10:21] da yok doğalgaz, yok elektrik, yasu parası veriyorum, nasıl geçiniyorsun, işte
[03:10:25] oğlum dedi, 71 yaşından sonra beni burada çay
[03:10:28] sattıran düzene. yazıklar olsun dedi, yani
[03:10:32] geldiğimiz nokta bu, geldiğimiz noktada ekonomi duvara
[03:10:35] çarpmış, eğitim eğitime başladık, eski Türkiye'de
[03:10:39] barınma sorunu yoktu, şu anda emekli olanın da barınma
[03:10:43] sorunu var, şu anda üniversiteleri kazananların da barınma sorunu
[03:10:47] var. İtü'ye kazanmış kızımızın babası beni
[03:10:50] arıyor, yurt diyor. Allah razı olsun Ekrem imamoğlu'dan, 18
[03:10:54] aydan beri tussak olan Ekrem imamoğlu'dan 2019'da geldi,
[03:10:57] büyükşehir belediye başkanı oldu, 25'e yakın. Kız yurdu açtı
[03:11:01] yani barınma sorunu, gelecekle ilgili
[03:11:04] kaygıları gençlerin, yargıda adalet yok, adalet çığlıkları her tarafta
[03:11:08] adaletçikları var, yani
[03:11:11] gelinen noktada sağlık sağlık sağlıkta
[03:11:14] işte geçenlerde de anlattım, sağlık şu
[03:11:17] anda yani kadar büyük sorun teşkil ediyor ki,
[03:11:20] giden doktorlarımızın, yurt dışına giden doktorlarımızın eee
[03:11:24] yani sayısı hızlı artmakta, artık çoğu
[03:11:27] yerlerde kalp doktoru yok, çok. yerde
[03:11:30] ortopedist yok, yani çoğu yerlerde doktor
[03:11:33] yok, doktor yok, yani binalar
[03:11:36] yapılıyor, hocam doğru söylediniz, hep
[03:11:39] birinciyiz, her hep birinciyiz,
[03:11:42] büyük, en büyük atleyi biz yapıyoruz, içinde adalet olmayan atleyi,
[03:11:46] içeride içinde yargı olmayan adliyeyi, yargı bağımsız olmayan adliyeyi,
[03:11:50] adalet çığlıkları sokaklarda geziyor, en büyük
[03:11:53] sadı biz yapıyoruz, içinde içinde
[03:11:56] yani gene zededen bahsedeceğim yani bahis.
[03:12:05] yani en büyükleri yapmakla, adliyeler yapmakla, statlar
[03:12:08] yapmakla, büyük binalar yapmakla bu memlekette
[03:12:11] adalet sağlanmıyor, sokaktaki vatandaş iş, aş,
[03:12:15] ekmek diyor, şimdi emekliğe getirilecek, her zaman
[03:12:18] söylüyorum, yeni zamlarla emekliye seçim sattı maline
[03:12:21] girildi, getirilecek şeyle, ne olacak, emekli diyor ki evimde diyor
[03:12:25] işsiz oğlum var diyor, kızım var diyor, torunuma para veremiyorum
[03:12:28] diyor. ne olacak bunun hesabını diyor ki
[03:12:31] vatandaş sokakta, meydanda, biz yeni parti milletvekili olarak
[03:12:35] sağdayız, sandığı bekliyoruz diyor, sandık geldiği
[03:12:39] zaman bu kara düzeni değiştireceğiz ve...
[03:12:42] Mehmet Uçum gibi, Mehmet Uçum gibi yok
[03:12:46] Türkiye'de yoksulluk, yoksunluk yasaklar varken
[03:12:49] çıkıp da anayasa gelecek, anayasa geldiği zaman enflasyon %10'a mı inecek,
[03:12:53] anayasa geldiği zaman demokrasi mi gelecek, anayasa geldiği zaman
[03:12:57] cezaevlerindeki ikili hukuk mu ortadan kalkacak, bu anayasa
[03:13:00] raftayken, bu anayasadaki hak ve özgürlükleri
[03:13:03] uygulamıyorken bu eee
[03:13:05] sarayın
[03:13:07] açıklamalarını yapanların hiçbir samimiyeti yoktur, peki şimdi
[03:13:11] sandığı. diyor sayın Bülbül o sandık ne zaman gelecek işte
[03:13:15] bu açıklamayı yapan yeni anayasa kaçınılmazdır diyen Mehmet
[03:13:19] Uçum hatırlayacaksınız geçtiğimiz günlerde de seçimin tarihini
[03:13:22] vermişti 18 özür diliyorum 16
[03:13:26] nisan 2028 tarihini işaret etmişti
[03:13:29] cumhurbaşkanlığı hükümet sistemine geçişimizin de bir
[03:13:31] tarihidir yıldönümüdür dolayısıyla
[03:13:34] sembolik bir anlamı vardır eee cumhurbaşkanı
[03:13:37] erdoğan sayın Erdoğan da son kez aday olacaktır demişti şimdi
[03:13:40] açıklaması konuşulurken
[03:13:43] bir de bu eklendi ben şimdi kıymetli konuklarıma döneyim
[03:13:45] eee sayın Turan'a sorayım sonra Sayın Akdeniz'e gideyim
[03:13:49] hava gibi su gibi bizim anayasaya mı ihtiyacımız var aş
[03:13:53] iş ekmek diyor Sayın Bülbül yani yurttaşdan gelen
[03:13:56] sesler doğrultusunda ne dersiniz şöyle şimdi
[03:13:59] eee Mehmet Uçum'un yaptığı açıklamaları aslında
[03:14:03] dikkatle okumak gerekiyor hani eee
[03:14:06] çünkü sonuç itibariyle bir kıvılcım bir
[03:14:10] ipucu biz eğer. "akp bir strateji yapıyorsa,
[03:14:14] saraydan bir strateji yapılıyorsa, aslında bunun
[03:14:17] ilk belirtilerini Mehmet Uçum'un açıklamalarından görebiliyoruz,
[03:14:21] şimdi eee biz tabii en klasik sorumuz
[03:14:24] vatandaşa sorduğumuzda en önemli sorumuz nedir
[03:14:27] dediğimizde sıralama yaptın ekonomi zaten açık ara
[03:14:31] birinci hemen peşine işte eğitim geliyor,
[03:14:34] sağlık geliyor, adalet geliyor, hatta adalet şu anda ekonomiden
[03:14:38] sonra hemen geliyor eee
[03:14:40] anayasadır bizim sorunumuz diyen bir vatandaşa henüz
[03:14:43] rastlamadık yani çok eee çok da doğal
[03:14:46] değil gerçi hani normal vatandaşın seçmen yani adalet ve kalkınma
[03:14:50] partisi seçmeni MHP çünkü Semih Turan bir aynı zamanda
[03:14:53] kamuoyu araştırmacısı olarak yani elbette o
[03:14:57] soru sorduğunuz kişiler arasında Adalet ve Kalkınma
[03:15:00] Partisi'ne MHP'ye oy veren seçmen de var onlar da mı demiyor yani biz yeni
[03:15:04] anayasa istiyoruz yok demiyorlar onların da hatta eee
[03:15:07] problemi onların da çok farklı değil sonuçta
[03:15:10] yaşamla ilgili problemler. parti aidiyetinden bağımsız olarak
[03:15:14] aynı, yani onlar ekonomide çok büyük sıkıntı yaşıyorlar,
[03:15:17] onlar ya sonuçta tabii ki eee Türkiye'de
[03:15:21] hep örneklerini veriyoruz, o gelir adaletsizliğinden dolayı sosyal
[03:15:24] sınıflarla iktidarın bağının hep zayıfladığını ama
[03:15:28] burada benim ilgimi çeken eee birkaç
[03:15:32] sözcük var eee ilk defa aslında daha doğru kural sistem
[03:15:36] diyor yani sistemden
[03:15:38] bahsediyor eee biz işte eee
[03:15:41] sorularımızdan... de vatandaşa sorularımızdan biri
[03:15:44] cumhurbaşkanlığı hükümet sistemi mi yoksa parlamenter sistemi
[03:15:47] mi yeğlersiniz diye eee üçte iki
[03:15:50] oranında parlamenter sistem yanıtı alıyoruz bu çok
[03:15:54] uzun zamandır böyle yani bunun aslında tek kırıldığı
[03:15:58] dönem o 2017 referandumudu da
[03:16:01] kırıldı mı kırılmadı mı hala tartışılıyor işte mühürsüz
[03:16:04] oylarla elbette ya sonuçta o zaman
[03:16:07] da eee 2017'ye giderken de eee çok fazla
[03:16:11] öyle bu sistemi de destekleyen yoktu ama belli stratejilerle
[03:16:15] bunu başarabiliyorlar. ben şunu iddia ediyordum uzun süredir yani
[03:16:19] ben eee bizim projeksiyonlarımızda eee
[03:16:22] cumhurbaşkanlığı hükümet sistemi ile gideceğimiz son seçim
[03:16:26] budur 2023 için söylüyorum ya ben
[03:16:29] cumhurbaşkanlığı hükümet sistemi ile tekrar bir seçime
[03:16:33] gideceğimizi düşünmeyenlerdenim hala bunu söylüyorum nedeni şu
[03:16:36] eee iktidarın anayasa değişikliği
[03:16:39] de yapacak olsa sistem değişikliği de yapacak olsa. "asıl derdi,
[03:16:43] asıl muradının en azından bir dönem
[03:16:46] daha önümüzdeki seçimleri atlatmak oldu,
[03:16:49] sayın Erdoğan'ın da ifadesi var o anlamda ya bu seçimleri atlatmak
[03:16:53] diye bakıyor, şimdi onlar da son ana kadar seçim
[03:16:57] sattı maaline girilene kadar bunu çok fazla
[03:16:59] dillendirmediler, çünkü hep eee
[03:17:02] şeydir, hani bir beklentileri var, çözülür, halk desteğini alırız,
[03:17:06] toplumsa rızayı sağlar, o anlamda birçok adım attılar,
[03:17:09] strateji diye tanımladıkları kanliklerin birçok." adımları var
[03:17:13] hem uluslararası konjonktürde, hem Türkiye konjonktüründe, ama
[03:17:16] gördükleri bir sonuç var, olmuyor, yani
[03:17:19] toplumsal desteği o halk desteğini alamıyorlar ve gidilecek
[03:17:23] seçimlerde azından bu sistemin en
[03:17:26] önemli parametresi olan Cumhurbaşkanlığını kazanma
[03:17:28] şansları yok denecek kadar zayıf, bunu
[03:17:32] gördüklerinde o pragmatik siyaset yapma
[03:17:35] tarzıyla sistemi muhalefete parlamenter
[03:17:38] sistemi gelin konuşalım önerisi yapılacağını düşünüyorum ben uzun.
[03:17:43] zamandır hı hı,
[03:17:46] bunun nedeni de şu eee, çünkü ekonomide en ufak bir düzelme yok,
[03:17:50] hani adalet anlamında veya beklentiler anlamında, insanların
[03:17:53] talepleri anlamında bir şey yok. bir de şunu merak ediyorum, öyle
[03:17:56] noktalayayım, bir anayasa komisyonu kurdular kendi
[03:17:59] içlerinde ve başında da en azından içinde de
[03:18:03] diyeyim, sedap yazıcı Özbudun var, altılı
[03:18:06] masada güçlendirilmiş parlamenter sistemin
[03:18:10] aslında mimarı, hatta yazanı, kaleme
[03:18:13] alanı diye nitelendirebiliriz, 10 kişilik mi 11 kişilik bir
[03:18:16] komisyon, buradan su sızmıyor, yani burada ne
[03:18:20] çalışılıyor, yaklaşık 1 yıl oldu, bir yıldır bir anayasa
[03:18:23] üzerinde çalışıldığını biliyor. gündeme
[03:18:34] gelebileceğini hatta birtakım eee
[03:18:38] videolar gördük hani Serhap Yazıcının sayın
[03:18:41] Erdoğan'la ilgili söylediği bazı şeylerikan önce
[03:18:45] evet ya ben bütün bunlarla beraber hani bu ekim
[03:18:49] ayında meclis açılmasıyla birlikte eee
[03:18:52] muhalefete yönelik bu yalnızca yeni parti. değil tabii ki
[03:18:55] den parti de var bunun içinde diğer bileşenler de var onlarla
[03:18:59] beraber gelin şu sistemi oturup konuşalım
[03:19:02] önerisinin anayasa değişikliği ile beraber gireceğini
[03:19:05] düşünüyorum çok boş bir açıklama olmadığım şimdi bu açıklamada Mehmet
[03:19:09] Uçum aynı zamanda eee yani cumhurbaşkanlığı sisteminin korunacağını da
[03:19:13] söylüyor bir de 50 + 1 vurgusu da
[03:19:17] önemli onu da söyleyelim şimdi 50 + 1 kuralı halka rağmen
[03:19:20] değiştirilemez diyor eee yani bunu bir iyi kırmızı çizgi
[03:19:24] olarak ee koyuyor şimdi 50 + 1 baktığımızda
[03:19:26] eee şu dönemde Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan da
[03:19:30] dahil olmak üzere 50 + 1'e ulaşamayacağını bütün
[03:19:34] araştırmalar söylüyorsa eğer o zaman
[03:19:36] uçum acaba bu açıklamasıyla ne demek istiyor
[03:19:40] sorusu akla geliyor ne dersiniz sayın Akdeniz evet valla şimdi iki
[03:19:43] sütun üstüne oturtuyor ben de çok dikkatli inceledim bir
[03:19:46] başkanlık yani bunun güçlendirilmesi 50 + 1'den
[03:19:50] tabiz vermeyiz ve terörsüz Türkiye iki ana
[03:19:53] sütunumuz bu diyor buradan. ilerleyeceğiz diyor, şimdi orada
[03:19:56] eee 2053 ve 2071 referansı var yine
[03:20:00] yani istanbul'un fethi ve Malazgirt
[03:20:03] referanslarıyla daha önce de söylenen Cumhur Ittifakının söylediği
[03:20:07] referanslar var ve ısrarla birkaç eee kez Cumhur
[03:20:10] İttifakı vurgusu var ya böyle
[03:20:13] anayasa en geniş toplumsal sözleşme diyoruz ya hiç
[03:20:17] öyle en geniş bir toplumsal
[03:20:20] mutabakat arzusu yok. Cumhur Ittifakının gücünün
[03:20:23] pekişeceği bir. sisteminin de daha da
[03:20:27] güçlendirileceği bir sistem olarak okuyorum ben biraz Semih hocamdan ayrılıyorum
[03:20:30] orada tabii o daha eee dikkatli izliyor dinliyorum da kulak da
[03:20:34] veriyorum şimdi bir de şöyle bir şey var eee şöyle
[03:20:38] bir ayrım koyuyor liberal serbestlik diyor tırnak içine
[03:20:42] almış onu eee ve karşısına milli perspektifi
[03:20:45] koyuyor ne demek liberal serbestlik yani
[03:20:48] demokrasi özgürlük diyen eee bugün
[03:20:51] muhalefet eden hükümete itiraz edenleri
[03:20:55] "küreselciler, küreselciler kalıbına sokuyor, yani
[03:20:59] küreselciler dediğimde düşmanlaştırıyor, sizin
[03:21:02] bağlantılarınız dışarıda, biz sizin ne olduğunuzu biliyoruz, mealen
[03:21:05] söylüyorum, bunun karşısına ne koyuyor, milli perspektif deyince
[03:21:09] kendi mahallesini ya da kendi kutuplaştırdığı toplumu koyuyor, burada
[03:21:13] da bir geniş mutabakat zemini ben
[03:21:16] göremiyorum, şimdi o zaman ne oluyor, yani benim okumam
[03:21:20] şu, bilge hanım eee seçime
[03:21:22] seçimin eee sonra..." bir hikaye yazarak girmek
[03:21:26] istiyor iktidar nedir o hikaye?
[03:21:29] yani 3 y hani yasaklar, yolsuzluk, yolsuzluğa, yoksulluğa
[03:21:33] karşı mücadele ile geldi ya, bu çöktü yani burada hiç mesafe
[03:21:37] yok, seçime gidiyor, eee
[03:21:40] is a problem of dual law in Turkey,
[03:21:43] there is a problem of implementing hostile
[03:21:46] law against journalists, academics, and dissidents
[03:21:50] who are opponents of the palace and tweet
[03:21:54] against it. Our presidential candidate, Ekrem İmamoğlu,
[03:21:58] who received 15.5 million votes of solidarity,
[03:22:01] is currently in prison due to the judicial
[03:22:05] coup of March 19th. He has been a
[03:22:09] prisoner for 18 months. A crumbling IBB indictment.
[03:22:13] Informers apologize in court, saying,
[03:22:17] "Forgive me." There are no documents,
[03:22:20] no information, but some people wear badges,
[03:22:23] they are acquitted with badges. There are
[03:22:27] people who are acquitted with badges right now.
[03:22:30] In this situation, Mr. Mehmet Uçum comes out
[03:22:34] and says here that a new constitution will
[03:22:38] be the driving force of a great march.
[03:22:41] He also says that it will be
[03:22:44] everyone's duty to crown our republic with
[03:22:48] a new constitution. He says it is
[03:22:52] a national issue. This person named Uçum
[03:23:08] talked about national enter this debate.
[03:23:11] They cannot stay out of it.
[03:23:14] And there's this: this sentence,
[03:23:17] "The constitution is a system of guarantees,"
[03:23:20] should be at the center of what
[03:23:24] the opposition needs. What is that?
[03:23:27] The guarantee for this guarantee is
[03:23:31] this: these are not what the government
[03:23:34] did. We will enter this constitutional
[03:23:38] debate with this system of guarantees,
[03:23:42] and we will bring this when we
[03:23:44] come to power or when there
[03:23:48] is a public vote. I mean,
[03:23:51] I will make a reference again.
[03:23:54] I don't think the opposition can
[03:23:58] remain indifferent. They must have a
[03:24:02] preparation. about a situation where
[03:24:05] they don't even
[03:24:08] state of the constitution, as Süleyman
[03:24:11] Bey said? We are not in the
[03:24:15] constitutional debate," you will lose your
[03:24:18] claim. That is, everyone who wants to
[03:24:22] be in power, even those who
[03:24:25] are opposition parties, must propose a
[03:24:29] constitution that is free from the
[03:24:33] traces of the coup constitution and
[03:24:36] that will truly
[03:24:44] provide the broadest social consensus.
[03:24:47] They have to it will be, we
[03:24:51] asked Tülay as well. Tülay, last program, Hatima, what
[03:24:54] do you think about the new constitution? She said that democracy
[03:24:58] is our red line, so she said something like that, she doesn't seem to
[03:25:02] get involved in it easily with calculations, because I wrote
[03:25:05] it down. For example, let's say something like this happened, what will
[03:25:09] you do with the mother tongue? It says this. So,
[03:25:13] local democracy, the European Union Local
[03:25:16] Government Charter of Autonomy, the removal of 16
[03:25:19] reservations. This government will not remove it, I mean it's impossible.
[03:25:23] Equal citizenship, list them down. Ahmet will return to duty,
[03:25:27] trustees have not returned yet. So, there doesn't seem to be
[03:25:30] an environment to reach an agreement here and say let's
[03:25:34] go for a constitution with them. It's not a very easy thing,
[03:25:38] but we shouldn't think that way, let me
[03:25:41] ya seçim eee anayasa değişikliğinden önce
[03:25:44] olacak anayasa değişikliği oylamasından önce olacak bu işte
[03:25:48] gündem saptırmaktır hafif bir gündemdir
[03:25:51] eee öyle olduğunu düşünmüyorum yani hikaye yazmaya çalışıyorlar o
[03:25:55] hikayeyi muhalefetin doldurması lazım tabii ki bir
[03:25:58] güvenceler sistemini tartışarak şu okuma genelde tabii yapılıyor
[03:26:02] böyle bir yeni anayasa gündeme
[03:26:04] gelirse eee Adalet ve kalkınma partis
[03:26:15] destek verme ihtimaliyle işte bu 360 sınırına ulaşılması gibi bir hesap yapılıyor dolayısıyla
[03:26:18] bu okumanın şu an için henüz erken ve hatta yanlış olduğunu söylüyor ben
[03:26:22] evet yani bizzat temsilcilerinden de dinledim bir de şöyle bir şey var anayasanın
[03:26:26] ilk dört maddesine dokunulmaz diyor değil mi uçum altını çizmiş tamam öyle
[03:26:30] diyelim ne olacak 42 değil mi
[03:26:33] 66 diğer meselelere geliyor yani şeyin
[03:26:36] taleplerine geldiğini. zaman oralarda da çok kolay eee
[03:26:40] değil yani bu işler dolayısıyla eee bir
[03:26:43] demokratikleşme ortamı sağlanmadan ben eee o
[03:26:46] işin öyle bir üçlü ittifakla
[03:26:49] geçebileceği kanaatinde değilim ben orada pardon bir şey
[03:26:53] söyleyeyim benim söylemek istediğim anayasa değişikliğinden
[03:26:56] öte önce pragmatik bir yapı var karşımızda
[03:26:59] pragmatik bir ihtiyar var kaybedeceklerini gördükleri
[03:27:03] anda ki görüyorlar diye düşünüyorum oturup sistemi konuşalım.
[03:27:09] Yani anayasa değişikliği eee sonraki süreç ki
[03:27:12] kendisi 29 dönem diye belirtmiş zaten ama sistem
[03:27:15] değişikliğini 50 +1 alacaklarını görseler mümkün
[03:27:19] değil hiç konuşacakları bir şey değil ama bunu gördüklerinde
[03:27:23] muhalefete bütün muhalefet bileşenlerine ya gelin
[03:27:26] cumhurbaşkanlığı hükümet sistemini oturup konuşalım diyeceklerdir bu 50 +
[03:27:29] 1'den vazgeçme anlamına gelmiyor
[03:27:32] Bahadir Özgür önümüze hep bir hedef konuyor tabii mesela bunu çerçeve
[03:27:36] yasa sırasında. da gördük, mesela bu çerçeve yasa yürürlüğe
[03:27:40] girdiğinde eee Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi
[03:27:43] kararlarının uygulanması eee
[03:27:45] önerisi gelmişti, e şimdi Mehmet Uçum'un açıklamalarına bakıyoruz, yeni
[03:27:49] anayasa çıktığında Türkiye'nin büyük yürüyüşü başlayacak deniyor, hep hedefler
[03:27:53] konuluyor, e şimdi gerçekler de başka ya şimdi bir kere
[03:27:57] Türkiye'de anayasa yapmak kolay değil, zaten darbeler
[03:28:00] sonrası yapılmış ama onlar da teknokrat bir kadro toplanaraktan
[03:28:04] çok geniş onlar yazmışlar anayasaları böyle.
[03:28:07] bir anayasa kültürü yapma kültürü hani topluma soralım
[03:28:11] Meclisse soralım en geniş mutabakatta yapalım diye bir kültür yok
[03:28:14] zaten tarihimizde yok Russonun toplumsal sözleşmesi
[03:28:18] de bir şey yok yani bu bir. olarak hep söylenir ama olmamış bir şey
[03:28:21] ikincisi bu iktidarın çok uzun
[03:28:24] süredir, süre sonra tek bir konuda
[03:28:27] istikrarlı gidebiliyor, bu işte çerçeve yasayla birlikte işte çözüm süreci
[03:28:31] denilen konu dışında hiçbir yerde
[03:28:34] istikrar yok, hiçbir yerde de yarın ne yapacağını kendisi de
[03:28:37] bilmiyor, ekonomide, ne adalette, yani her
[03:28:41] gün tuhaf tuhaf operasyonlar yapıyorsunuz, eee farklı
[03:28:45] farklı kesimleri artık ucu açık operasyonlar bunlar, yani bazen
[03:28:49] birinin varlığını he def alıyorsunuz işte en son LGBT'liler gibi bazen birilerinin
[03:28:52] özel olarak iktidara adayı oldu diye atıyorsunuz içeri işte
[03:28:56] CHP ve yeni parti vekilleri gibi dolayısıyla
[03:28:58] elinde istikrarlı yani yarına efendim biz
[03:29:02] sonra geleceği inşa ediyoruz falan diyebileceği hiçbir
[03:29:06] dayanak yok şu an kaldı ki
[03:29:09] dış değişimleri en hassas
[03:29:11] anında
[03:29:13] yani bugün belki de AKP tarihi boyunca çok uzun
[03:29:17] zamandır ilk defa bu kadar ne denirse. yapabilecek bir
[03:29:20] zayıflıktadır açısından İran konusunda bir
[03:29:24] Amerika bir Türkiye en
[03:29:28] şiddetli ekonomik ambargo uygulayan başka yok, iki tane
[03:29:31] bankayı kapattınız, evet daha bir iki gün içinde
[03:29:35] bankayı kapattınız. Bunu şundan söylüyorum, hani Mehmet Hucum iyi, tabii
[03:29:39] seçilmeyince insan atanınca bir sürü fantezi yapabiliyor
[03:29:43] geleceğe dair, çünkü bir şeye dayanmıyor, herhangi bir
[03:29:46] makama seçilerek oturulmuş bir şeyi temsil eden birisi değil. bin
[03:29:50] Odalı Saraydaki dört rasputinden birisi yani
[03:29:53] da bir şey söylüyor, başkası da başka bir şey söylüyor, mesela
[03:29:57] düşürelim diyor, AKP üzerine başka hesaplar var, o
[03:30:00] yüzden ben bu tartışmanın bakın yani
[03:30:03] bunu hayata geçirirler mi, geçirmezler mi, bu gündem sattırma mu değil
[03:30:07] mi ötesinde bir şey söylüyorum, bu iktidarın bir konu
[03:30:11] dışında şu an da kendisinin isteyerek oturmadığını biliyoruz,
[03:30:14] dünyadaki bölgesel gelişmeler ve
[03:30:17] İmralı'dan gelen net bir... adım dışı
[03:30:21] olmasaydı bunu da yapamayacaktı, bunu da götüremeyecekti. Tek bir
[03:30:24] konuda, bir tek sürdürebildiği politika tek bu var. O da
[03:30:27] bakalım yani daha hani nasıl gidecek. Onun dışında
[03:30:31] hiçbir konuda geleceğe dair fikir
[03:30:34] söyleyebilecek düzeyde dahili değil. Yani ne
[03:30:37] dünyaya, ne ülkeyeye, ekonomiye, ne başka türlü. O yüzden
[03:30:41] ben uçumun şeyini bu şimdi bir iktidar
[03:30:44] içinde şöyle bir şey var. Onu her alanda
[03:30:46] görüyoruz. Yani ne olacak, hani biz nasıl.
[03:30:50] bir eee yöntemle bu inşa
[03:30:53] etmeye çalıştığımız rejimin devamlılığını sağlayacağız. Kimisi diyor ki, ya
[03:30:57] bu çok şey oldu, bir sürü arızası var, biz bunu biraz
[03:31:00] parlamentoya da güç verelim, bakanları oradan seçelim, hani partiyi AKP'yi
[03:31:04] güçlendirelim, çünkü toplumla sonuçta bu bağ kuruyor, bir kısmı bunu
[03:31:08] söylüyor, bunu söyleyenler de az isim değil, yani Mehmet Huçum'dan az isim değil,
[03:31:12] Mehmet Uçumsa bir rejim kurduk, bu rejimin
[03:31:15] güvenliğini sağlayabilecek bir hukuki
[03:31:18] güvence yani. yoksa bu demokratik anayasa falan
[03:31:21] değil, temel olarak bu kurulan rejimin
[03:31:25] artık biz yeni bir rejim kurduk, yeni bir devlet kurduk, buna uygun, bunu güvenceye
[03:31:29] alacak bir yasal şey lazımdır, bunu uzun süredir söylüyor, da başka bir
[03:31:33] şey öneriyor, ama iktidar orta
[03:31:36] MHP başka şeyler söyleyebiliyor, yani şundan
[03:31:39] söylüyorum, hani Mehmet Uçum'un söylediği
[03:31:42] şey bir senaryo nun
[03:31:45] parçası, ama öbür tarafta başka senaryo da var ve bütün bunlar
[03:31:49] ülke. içindeki dışındaki gelişmelerle sürekli
[03:31:53] değişebiliyor bakın ülkenin adalet bakanı tabii bir şey söyledi
[03:31:56] ama evet anayasa falan değil ne anayasası cumhurbaşkanını
[03:32:00] yeniden seçeceğim seçim diyor yani tarihte seçime
[03:32:04] böyle bir isim konulmamıştı diyor ki ne
[03:32:06] anayasası ne hukuku diyor ne hak özgürlüğü
[03:32:09] diyor bir biz cumhurbaşkanını seçebileceğimiz
[03:32:13] seçime gidiyoruz onun iktidarda kaldığı her yol mübah diyor
[03:32:16] from here,
[03:32:21] çünkü bu olanlar işte bakın bugün bir şeyler konuşuyoruz değil mi
[03:32:24] operasyon nereden çıktı diyoruz o nereden çıktı diyoruz bu nereden çıktı diyoruz orada da bir
[03:32:28] farklı bir yol çizenler var birileri böyle olmasın o
[03:32:32] yüzden eee ya uçum söylediği şey
[03:32:36] benim için hani 25 yıllık çok
[03:32:40] parçalı eee çok gücü
[03:32:43] odağından oluşan eee dünyadaki gelişmelere çok duyarlı
[03:32:47] hassas olan ve içeride de giderekten aslında. da
[03:32:50] ana eee davasını kaybetmiş bir iktidar
[03:32:53] içindeki bir birinin bir
[03:32:56] bölümün eee çözüm
[03:32:58] önerisi hani çizmeye çalıştığı yol gibi görüyorum ama
[03:33:02] başka başka hatlar öneren de başka yollar önerenler de
[03:33:05] var şimdi peki burada dediğin gibi iki gazeteci varken
[03:33:09] şey sormak istiyorum bu anayasa komisyonuna hiçbir sızıntı yok mu nasıl
[03:33:13] anayasa komisyonu AKP'nin kurdu
[03:33:16] hocam ya bunların hiçbir önemi yok işlevli olduğu zaman onlar işlev'. hale
[03:33:20] getirebilir ama şu da var bakın 2017
[03:33:23] referandumunda MHP hayır anayasa değişikliğine gerek yok diye MHP
[03:33:27] bir gecede değil mi başkanlık rejiminin önünü açabildi o yüzden söylüyorum
[03:33:30] yani bu çizile. çerçeveler bir şey ifade
[03:33:34] etmiyor, gidişatta tıkanma yani nasıl
[03:33:37] rejimin nasıl devam ettirileceği konusunda bir
[03:33:41] farklı senaryoların çarpıştığı, dolayısıyla o senaryolara sahip
[03:33:44] aktörlerin de öyle kendi içinde de tartıştığı, çarpıştığı
[03:33:48] bir sürece girdik biz, ben seçime
[03:33:51] açıkçası önce şu, bence önce bir seçimi
[03:33:54] kazansınlar,
[03:33:56] bence zaten bütün yapılan şey buna, bakın bütün enerjisini,
[03:34:00] bütün kaynakları, bütün... yargı gücünü, bütün devlet
[03:34:03] gücünü bu seçimi kazanmaya hasrediyor bu
[03:34:06] iktidar bütün güçleriyle, o yüzden
[03:34:09] onun ötesine geçebilecek, düşünebilecek bir
[03:34:13] şeye sahip olduğunu henüz düşünmüyorum. şimdi
[03:34:16] Bahadur Özgür hatırlattı biraz önce, eee cuma günü biz de konuşmuştuk bu
[03:34:20] ekranlarda Adalet bakanı Akın Gürlek'in açıklaması,
[03:34:23] cumhurbaşkanımızı işte yeniden seçtirmek üzere bir seçim yapacağız
[03:34:26] açıklaması. Mehmet Uçum seçim tarihini vermişti, bakan Kürlekten de
[03:34:30] seçimin sonucu mu geldi açıklaması geldi. bir koltuğa oturan
[03:34:33] insanlar ve evet devlete şey biçiyorlar böyle kıyafet rejime tamam mı
[03:34:37] böyle güzel güzel bunu bunun ancak
[03:34:40] aktörleri sokağa halka ya bir şey somutlandığı
[03:34:44] zaman ancak o zaman konuşabileceğiniz bir şey ama bir şey ekleyeyim
[03:34:47] lütfen bütün bu şeyleri heyecanlandıran
[03:34:50] şey süreç yasasının
[03:34:53] MHP'nin bile AKP'nin bile beklentisinin üzerinde bir
[03:34:57] oyla meclisten geçmesi ve bir şey
[03:35:00] sağlanması orada şimdi o herkes evet. seslendirdi böyle bir
[03:35:04] meclis bulmuşken
[03:35:06] acaba eee işte restorasyonu ne bileyim
[03:35:09] yeniden tamiratı bu meclis içinde mi
[03:35:12] yapsak
[03:35:14] seçimi den önce bunu yapsak yok seçimden sonrasına mı kalsa
[03:35:18] ama bu meclis şeyi bir iştahlandırdı insanları
[03:35:22] AKP'de belli kişileri bir de açıklamasında direkt
[03:35:25] 29 dönem demiyor en geç 29 dönem
[03:35:29] diyor yani bu dönemi de olabilirliğini koyuyor.
[03:35:33] seçimden önce başlayacak demektir bu yani seçim hallaması olmadan da
[03:35:36] olmaz aynen yani diyor ki yani biz hepsini şurada bu fırsatı
[03:35:40] bulmuşken yani referandum seçim anayasa
[03:35:43] hepsini de bu süreci bir arada götürebiliriz diyor ama dediğim gibi ben
[03:35:47] bunları çok şey buluyorum henüz peki o
[03:35:50] zaman Süleyman Bey'e gitmeden ben konuklarıma sorayım Ercümet Bey'e de sorayım
[03:35:54] şimdi siz de hatırlattınız biraz önce bakın arkadaşlarım
[03:35:57] ekranlara getir bir daha gösterelim belki ekranlarını yeni açmış izleyicilerimiz vardır ben o
[03:36:01] cümleyedik. kesildim, ne
[03:36:04] diyor? eee meclis en geç 29.
[03:36:07] dönemde yeni anayasayı yaptığında zorunlu olarak başvurulacak
[03:36:11] halk oylamasında çok yüksek bir oy oranıyla yeni anayasa kabul
[03:36:14] edilecektir. şimdi Semih hocama sorum şu: çok yüksek bir
[03:36:17] oranla bir araştırmacı olarak kabul edilir mi? Sayın Akdeniz'e
[03:36:21] sorum şu eee zorunlu olarak başvurulacak halk
[03:36:24] oylaması nasıl bir meclis aritmetiğine işaret
[03:36:28] eder bir de mesela işte den parti'nin tavrı ne
[03:36:31] olur dedik. "mutlak butlağın yönetimini de
[03:36:34] soralım, ne dersiniz? ya şöyle,
[03:36:38] şimdi mesela Semih hocam da söyledi, gazetecilerin hiçbir
[03:36:42] bilgisi yok mu diye, hani mesela anayasayla
[03:36:45] ilgili, anayasa çalışmalarıyla ilgili, mesela ben parti
[03:36:49] cephesinden söyleyeyim, zaten uzunca süredir çalışmalar vardı, anayasa
[03:36:52] hukukçususu zaten Mithat Sancar Bey orada yok ben AKP için
[03:36:56] kat yani oraya geleceğim, şimdi
[03:36:59] onun gibi mesela çerçeve yasa, çerçeve..." yasanın
[03:37:03] remember the draft of the law, for example, Denparti's relevant
[03:37:06] commissions did very serious work, they had a very comprehensive
[03:37:09] thing in hand, an alternative,
[03:37:13] a draft, but they always said, "Show us what
[03:37:17] you have," and since it never came, they neither announced it
[03:37:20] to the public nor gave it to the AK Party, do you understand?
[03:37:24] Therefore, even
[03:37:27] here, when there is no trust, and we can't even
[03:37:30] talk about these things, there is no position of "Let's all
[03:37:33] go there" in my opinion, not yet,
[03:37:36] I mean, I can say that, not yet.
[03:37:39] Not even in the framework law. I mean, they say, "Show
[03:37:43] us your law," and "It came to our hands on the last night,"
[03:37:46] I mean, how can it be like that? How can you enter this process
[03:37:50] with a trust problem? It is clear
[03:37:54] that what he calls mandatory is this:
[03:37:57] it is possible in the parliament with the necessary number of deputies.
[03:38:01] There were articles and statements before,
[03:38:04] and they say it with reference to the
[03:38:07] widest social consensus that it must pass a public
[03:38:11] vote. Otherwise, they are not saying
[03:38:15] that they will not submit it to a public vote.
[03:38:19] I interpret it as follows:
[03:38:22] "We are confident that the people will support
[03:38:26] us." This is to strengthen this perception while going
[03:38:29] to the elections. "We challenge them, we go to the people with the
[03:38:33] constitution," they say. As Mr. Özgür says, "We challenge them,
[03:38:36] let's go to the elections." They also say, "We challenge them,
[03:38:40] let's take the constitution to the people." I think it's a pre-election
[03:38:44] tactic. Now, whether they will take it to the people or not
[03:38:48] according to the election results, we don't know, but that's
[03:38:51] another question mark. Of course, the leadership of Mutlak
[03:38:55] Butlan, the CHP deputies, what will they do in such a situation?
[03:38:59] That's another question, or rather not all of them, but some of them. So,
[03:39:02] it seems there will be a campaign.
[03:39:06] I mean, let's assume everything was said as
[03:39:10] it was, right? It was put to a public
[03:39:14] vote in a referendum. This will be a campaign. Now, in this
[03:39:17] campaign, what will the Republican
[03:39:20] People's Party, under the leadership of Mutlak Butlan, do?
[03:39:24] Will they act outside the campaign or with the opposition?
[03:39:27] I see a partnership with the new party here as
[03:39:31] a difficult possibility, I mean, I might side with
[03:39:34] them, I don't want to speak on their behalf, but it could
[03:39:38] be a less colorful position. But, as
[03:39:41] I said, the election results are very important.
[03:39:45] If the results come in very strong,
[03:39:48] the AK Party could even side with Mutlak
[03:39:51] Butlan, I don't know. Well, let me summarize briefly. If
[03:39:55] such a thing is submitted to the approval of the people,
[03:39:58] Mr. Uçum says it will be accepted by a large margin.
[03:40:01] He actually says that in principle, as far as I understand, because
[03:40:05] there are previous statements that even if it's over 400,
[03:40:08] they will take the constitution to a public vote. So, he is
[03:40:12] actually saying it as a principle. I don't think it's a very
[03:40:15] well-thought-out, very serious thing. After all, they are doing
[03:40:19] strategy, making projections. For all these to happen,
[03:40:22] there are necessary conditions. First, they need to win the
[03:40:26] election. The alliance models for the next term, even
[03:40:30] when entering the election, are not clear. Mr. Bahadır Özgür
[03:40:33] just explained, they can change everything tomorrow because it's
[03:40:37] a very pragmatic structure. I mean, they can make any
[03:40:41] alliance with anyone, both according to the international conjuncture
[03:40:45] and the domestic conjuncture. We all saw what they said
[03:40:49] before 2023 during the framework law or this new opening
[03:40:52] process, and what they did immediately after. They still
[03:40:56] did this. I must state this, and I do so every
[03:41:00] time. Selahattin Demirtaş is still in prison,
[03:41:03] still in prison. I mean,
[03:41:06] this is the most obvious indicator of pragmatism.
[03:41:09] While all this is happening, while all this exists,
[03:41:12] talking about them actually
[03:41:15] pains me. Because
[03:41:18] you went to an election, you won, you found a majority
[03:41:21] that can reach 400 in the parliament in a general sense,
[03:41:25] we are talking about changing the constitution and a public
[03:41:28] vote. A lot of water will pass under that bridge before then.
[03:41:32] We'll talk about many more things. Look, today, we talked about the
[03:41:35] fund scandal for 3 hours. There's also this, I apologize,
[03:41:38] how many municipalities have changed hands through operations,
[03:41:42] transfers, etc.? It's over 50, right? Now, let's say,
[03:41:45] let's say the IBB was added, let's
[03:41:48] say, let's talk about the worst-case scenario, the Ankara
[03:41:52] Metropolitan Municipality was also added, or it was somehow
[03:41:55] disqualified, Izmir was added. In such a case,
[03:41:59] how will you go to a new constitution? There are no municipalities
[03:42:03] left. Who will do what? There's also this: the AK
[03:42:06] Party has been doing what they call strategy since its inception,
[03:42:10] but we now define them as political engineering.
[03:42:13] But in the past, when they did these, a great majority of
[03:42:17] these strategies came to fruition, because they had the support
[03:42:20] of one out of two people, their core vote was over
[03:42:24] 40%, they got 49.9% of the votes. Currently, that
[03:42:27] support, that core vote, has dropped to 20%,
[03:42:30] before undecided voters are distributed. Currently, they
[03:42:34] only receive unconditional support from one out of five
[03:42:37] people. That's why we explained how much their ties with social
[03:42:41] classes have weakened. Therefore, it's not very easy for
[03:42:45] these kinds of strategies to turn the game around again,
[03:42:48] it's almost impossible, unless the opposition makes
[03:42:52] very dire and very big mistakes. Okay, let me also
[03:42:56] say this very briefly. Do you observe a decline
[03:42:59] in the new party's votes recently?
[03:43:03] Of course. Actually, we should consider if the new party's
[03:43:07] votes ever reached 40%, because when we first talked
[03:43:11] about it here, there were people who said the new party saw
[03:43:15] 50%. No, there is a problem with the measurement, a technical
[03:43:18] problem. The potential votes
[03:43:22] kurulmasına destek olması onun doğrudan oya dönüşmesi anlamına
[03:43:25] gelmiyor, yeni parti de o nedenle bir oy düşüşünü tartışmaktan
[03:43:29] öte çerçeve yasayla ilgili bir oy düşüşü oldu
[03:43:32] ama bu bu kadar hani 10 puanlar 12 puanlar falan değil onu çok
[03:43:36] net söyleyeyim ama şu var yeni
[03:43:40] parti daha henüz eee o anlamda hani oyu şudur
[03:43:43] şu tabana oturmuştur de... için çok erken davranıldı, bu
[03:43:47] benzeri süreç, iyi parti ilk kurulduğunda da 18'ler, 20'ler
[03:43:50] konuşuluyordu, sonra 9-10 bandına oturmuştu, bu buraya
[03:43:54] oturur anlamında değil, üstüne de çıkabilir daha... da
[03:43:57] düşebilir, bundan sonra, çünkü daha genel merkezlerini yeni
[03:44:01] açtılar, il iliç örgütleri daha yeni oluyor, işte kurmay kadroyu
[03:44:04] göreceğiz, vitrinleri göreceğiz, halk da bunu görecek,
[03:44:08] politikalarını görecek, asıl oy baremini o zaman göreceğiz ama şu
[03:44:11] çok net, genel anlamda baktığınızda muhalefet bir muhalefet
[03:44:15] partilerinin, muhalefet bloğunun hani yeni partide oy eksildi dense bile
[03:44:19] eee AKP'de bir artış yok, MHP'de bir artış
[03:44:22] yok, onların oyları hala sabit çerçeve yasaya
[03:44:26] hayır oyu ver.
[03:44:41] yani şimdi MHP'de bir miktar eğer ilk başta
[03:44:45] ilk o çıkışı yaptığında
[03:44:48] eee beklenenin çok altında bir düşüş olmuştu hep onu ifade ediyordum onu iyi
[03:44:51] yönettiler o süreci ama son dönemde baktığımızda
[03:44:54] o düşüşün daha belirginleştiğini.
[03:45:06] birçok parametre devreye girmeyince oranlar üzerinden
[03:45:09] konuşmak bizleri yanıltır trendlere bakabiliriz
[03:45:12] yükselenleri alçalanları görebiliriz ama ya şu
[03:45:16] şu orandır bu bu orandır demek çok şey hani
[03:45:19] eee bugün örneğin Almanya seçimleri eee
[03:45:23] yapıldı ve Almanya'da Berlin'de eee
[03:45:27] bir Türk çok bir göçmen ilk defa
[03:45:30] başkanlı kazandı Elif hanım eee şimdi bu ama
[03:45:34] bakın bu oradaki seçim sonuçlarına da bakın daha önce
[03:45:37] yapılan araştırmalara bakın son 6 ayda
[03:45:41] Almanya'nın her bölgesinde oy
[03:45:43] oranları kadar radikal değişimler gösterdi ki şu anki
[03:45:47] duruma geldik yani Türkiye'de de aslında Türkiye çok daha
[03:45:51] dinamik yani bazı alt üst oluşlarla o
[03:45:54] oranlar çok değişebilir biz %7 ölçtümiz. bir partiyi hep
[03:45:58] söylüyorum, bir ay sonra ölçtüğümüzde 2023
[03:46:01] öncesinde %2 ölçebiliyorduk, bu bundan
[03:46:04] dolayı oy oranına çok takılmamak lazım, yeni parti henüz adı gibi
[03:46:08] yeni, tabii bence biraz daha zamanı, tabii
[03:46:11] anketler özellikle de tabii her ankete de eee ya
[03:46:14] anketlere de temkinli eee yaklaşmak da gerekiyor, öyle değil mi yani her
[03:46:18] ankete tabii ki eee çünkü mesela cumhurbaşkanlığı seçimi öncesinde de Kemal
[03:46:22] Kılıçdaroğlu'un açık arak kazandığını gösteren anketleri de görmüştük sayın Bül sokaklar
[03:46:26] farklı efendim.
[03:46:31] 91 milletvekili olarak sokaklardayız, genel başkanımız geçen iki günden
[03:46:35] beri Bursa ve Yalova'da eee
[03:46:37] sokaktaydı, yani Bursa Yalova'da vatandaş, daha
[03:46:41] önce hangi partiye oy vermiş olursa olsun bir alternatif
[03:46:45] görüyor yeni partide genel başkanımız Özgür Özel'le birlikte, yani
[03:46:48] vatandaşa dokunuyoruz, biz sadece miting yapmıyoruz, vatandaşa
[03:46:52] dokunuyoruz, bu nedenle ben sokakta çıktığım
[03:46:55] zaman daha önce ak parti. vermiş, MHP'ye oy vermiş
[03:46:58] vatandaşların artık yeni partiye oy vereceğini
[03:47:01] söylemlerini görüyorum, duyuyorum, nedenle tabii
[03:47:04] oturacak, daha örgütlenme çalışmalarımız devam ediyor, bununla
[03:47:08] birlikte vatandaşın sesi olmaya devam ediyoruz, çözümlerimizle birlikte
[03:47:11] geliyoruz, çiftçi soruyor, dediğim gibi eee
[03:47:15] Domaniç'te sordu çiftçi, eee Kütahya'da sordu, eee,
[03:47:19] ben Eskşehir'den domatesime getiriyorum buraya, mazot 100 lira olmuş durumda
[03:47:23] eee 15 lira satıyorum domatesi, ben yani bundan
[03:47:26] kazanmıyor. diyor çiftçi, o 80
[03:47:30] kilometrelik yeri Esşiir'den ilçesinden getirdiğim domatesten para
[03:47:33] kazanmıyorum diyor, eee zeytin üretiisi 140 lira olmuş
[03:47:36] zeytinin bir kilosu, zeytin yağı,
[03:47:39] zeytinyağı yani ağaçlarda bırakılıyor özellikle
[03:47:42] are left, there is no
[03:47:45] base price for figs, figs now today
[03:47:48] I saw them at a greengrocer in Beşiktaş, Bursa figs, black
[03:47:52] figs are 295 liras, but in Kütahya, those figs,
[03:47:56] 2 kilos of figs.
[03:47:58] The price is 50 liras per kilo, consider figs coming from Bursa
[03:48:01] to Kütahya Market for 50 liras,
[03:48:05] while figs coming to Istanbul are sold for 295
[03:48:08] liras at the greengrocer.
[03:48:12] So, the producer cannot earn money, the producer cannot
[03:48:15] do anything against the input costs. We come with our solutions.
[03:48:19] Now, a exorbitant price operation was conducted,
[03:48:22] what happened? 40 vegetable and fruit vendors were taken
[03:48:26] into custody. As Semih Bey also said, these issues cannot
[03:48:29] be resolved with police or judicial
[03:48:32] interventions. This is about
[03:48:36] work. The Ministry of Agriculture, what do the ministries
[03:48:39] do? They work. I mean, unfair competition institutions
[03:48:43] work. In this context, the SPK, they
[03:48:46] work. If you only see everything
[03:48:49] as a crime in the criminological sense,
[03:48:51] you cannot solve this market
[03:48:55] economy. Prosecutor's offices. They
[03:49:10] removed the trustee. Citizens cannot afford red meat right now.
[03:49:14] Of course, citizens are experiencing these things. As a new party,
[03:49:17] we don't need to explain the problems of pensioners, tradesmen,
[03:49:21] and producers here. Solutions are important. What's important is to give an example.
[03:49:24] I want to give an example. In the 2026 budget, according
[03:49:27] to Article 21 of the Agricultural Law, a support premium should
[03:49:31] be given to producers, not less than 1%
[03:49:34] of the gross national product. However, in the 2026
[03:49:37] budget, two per thousand was given. No additional premium
[03:49:40] was given. So, you go
[03:49:43] and bring thousands of tons
[03:49:45] of olive oil from Syria,
[03:49:48] and you are ruining the olive oil
[03:49:51] producer. What will this producer do? How
[03:49:54] will he make a living? If the producer cannot produce,
[03:49:57] if he cannot earn money, there is a chain reaction going towards
[03:50:01] the tradesmen. Therefore, we come with solutions. We tell
[03:50:04] pensioners that they will receive at least 1.5
[03:50:07] times the minimum wage.
[03:50:10] Article 21 of the Agricultural Law, which concerns support premiums,
[03:50:13] will be implemented. We make many promises
[03:50:16] to tradesmen regarding retirement, such as we will
[03:50:19] waive your debts to banks, waive their interest,
[03:50:23] and spread the principal over many years. We tell
[03:50:26] young people that we will eliminate
[03:50:30] their future concerns by creating job
[03:50:33] opportunities. There used to be a State Planning Organization, you remember?
[03:50:36] I mean, there was a plan
[03:50:40] for where products would be planted,
[03:50:43] there was a plan for products. There was
[03:50:47] a plan for professions. I mean, there's
[03:50:50] no such thing as planning left. One day you produce pomegranates,
[03:50:53] you plant pomegranates, two years later you cut them because they don't
[03:50:56] make money. You plant citrus fruits. There's no
[03:51:00] such thing. There's no such thing. So, for this reason,
[03:51:03] a planned economy, a planned economic system
[03:51:07] is absolutely necessary. Strategic products are important. "Olive oil
[03:51:10] is a strategic product. Cotton is a strategic
[03:51:14] product. I look at the Great Menderes Plain,
[03:51:17] in Aydın, Nazilli, cotton used to be planted all
[03:51:20] over. Atatürk, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, gifted
[03:51:24] Nazilli Sumerbank after the War of Independence. 700
[03:51:28] workers were employed there. There was cotton research, but now
[03:51:31] in the Great Menderes Plain, there is no cotton except in
[03:51:35] Söke and Koçarlı. No cotton. Where do we get cotton from? We get
[03:51:38] it from Greek farmers. Wheat..." We get it from Ukraine.
[03:51:42] So, we are pushing our own farmers aside. Therefore,
[03:51:45] citizens are in the streets with the solutions of the new party,
[03:51:49] with our chairman of the new party, Özgür Özel, touching the
[03:51:52] citizens. The streets, the streets don't care
[03:51:56] if the constitution will change in this system. The streets
[03:51:59] say, "They seized our presidential
[03:52:03] candidate Ekrem İmamoğlu's unprinted book
[03:52:06] at the printing press, they seized it!" What does this mean?
[03:52:10] Can such a thing happen? He also explained the chronology of a ban
[03:52:13] in the FETO judiciary on his account, we will look at that later.
[03:52:17] Do you remember the FETO judiciary? Ahmet
[03:52:19] Şık's what was it, Imam's
[03:52:23] Army book was also seized at the printing press. So,
[03:52:26] what democracy are they talking about? And he said something at that time,
[03:52:29] do you remember? Mr. Tayyip Erdoğan was
[03:52:32] the prime minister at that time. He said there are books that are more dangerous than bombs.
[03:52:36] This is Tayyip Bey's way. The
[03:52:40] current palace regime's understanding of democracy is this:
[03:52:44] there are books that are more dangerous than bombs. That's
[03:52:48] why democracy and freedoms are important to us. rights and freedoms are not
[03:52:51] implemented, then make any a civilian constitution. And who is
[03:52:55] Mehmet Uçum? He is an appointed person. Who is Mehmet Uçum? Are
[03:52:58] there no group deputy chairs for the AK Party, the People's Alliance,
[03:53:02] to speak? Are there no chairmen of the Constitutional Commission?
[03:53:05] Will appointed people like Mehmet Uçum speak?
[03:53:10] The 360 deputies, 280 from AK Party,
[03:53:13] 50, 46 from MHP, one
[03:53:17] DSP from the People's Alliance... With these, they reach 360
[03:53:20] or 400. Let the deputies speak now, let the party
[03:53:24] speak, let the party spokesmen speak. Appointed people are speaking. This
[03:53:28] is the point we have reached. The disabling of the legislature,
[03:53:31] this one-man regime, this
[03:53:34] means there is no democracy, freedoms, and rule of law.
[03:53:38] One man makes the decision,
[03:53:51] I'm trying to interrupt, we're going to a commercial break. Before we go to a commercial break, Ercüment bey was going to leave, so I want to give him the last word.
[03:53:55] I'm trying to go. If you have time, will you stay with us a little longer?
[03:53:59] I'll ask him live so he can't refuse me. So,
[03:54:02] well
[03:54:05] then, let's go to a break. After the break,
[03:54:08] the floor is yours. Let's continue, we
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[04:00:09] We are back together, after a short break, the floor is yours.
[04:00:12] We are starting our last hour, and you can see
[04:00:15] a breaking development on your screens. Let's share
[04:00:19] the details with you. Today, for a long time, ever since
[04:00:22] we started our program, we talked about
[04:00:25] this fund scandal. The question is, to what
[04:00:29] extent will the scandal escalate? The investigation
[04:00:32] is clearly expanding. New
[04:00:39] Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor.