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[00:00:00] I have a model like Saudi Arabia.
[00:00:02] I have an investment fund. I have collected
[00:00:06] oil money there, and through
[00:00:11] American troops out of this money, I finance myself. I finance projects
[00:00:15] that I think are good.
[00:00:18] Now, what kind of situation they are in, I don't care. UAE, Saudi Arabia,
[00:00:22] what kind of situation they are in now, I don't care. I am talking about that
[00:00:25] specific period. But if we want to be a model
[00:00:29] then. Our first decision must be to clarify
[00:00:32] this. We must clarify which model
[00:00:36] we think is the model. I tried
[00:00:39] very hard during my time at the Ministry of Economy
[00:00:43] to make everyone understand that this work
[00:00:45] has requirements.
[00:01:20] This is a huge strategic defeat for President Trump, and
[00:01:24] it's a strategic defeat even bigger than just simply losing a war,
[00:01:28] because it really reflects the massive decline of
[00:01:31] American military dominance that's occurring
[00:01:35] in the region that has the ripple effects around the
[00:01:39] world. This is the end of am so President
[00:01:43] Trump is ending, not just a concession
[00:01:46] for the war, but this would be the book
[00:01:50] end to America's unipolar moment.
[00:01:53] So in 1991, when the Cold War
[00:01:56] ended, we had the first Gulf War. That is the war that
[00:02:00] demonstrated beyond all doubt America's
[00:02:03] escalation dominance with the precision
[00:02:05] revolution. We took 10,000 body bags
[00:02:09] to that war, and only 147 American
[00:02:12] troops were killed where we kicked out Saddam Hussein from
[00:02:16] Kuwait with 30,000 plus
[00:02:19] troops, the fourth largest army in the world, and it was a
[00:02:23] splendid victory that had enormous ripple effects for
[00:02:27] decades and decades. And that is now
[00:02:31] all coming to an end. Now, you could say maybe it was already somewhat coming to an end with
[00:02:34] Iraq and Afghanistan, but this is a
[00:02:38] mega, mega legacy that
[00:02:41] now it is going to be President Trump who
[00:02:44] ended America's
[00:02:46] unipolar dominance. So when we have the history, the
[00:02:50] history books written, it'll be
[00:02:52] 1991 to 2026.
[00:02:56] And who's the president in 2026 of the United States?
[00:03:00] It is Donald J. Trump. So he will not be
[00:03:04] forgotten in the history books. He will go down as
[00:03:07] having the biggest strategic loss in pretty much
[00:03:10] America's history. I don't think you can even Vietnam, although
[00:03:14] there's more actual casualties in Vietnam. So
[00:03:18] this is what is the paralysis that's occurring,
[00:03:21] Mario, and this is not the end of the war. This is
[00:03:25] not, I know you want it to be, but this is going to go
[00:03:29] on. And it's going to go on for one
[00:03:32] really big reason, which is
[00:03:36] the world's economy is
[00:03:39] continuing as if on the Titanic
[00:03:43] into the iceberg. All of the oil inventories are
[00:03:47] still running down. China is still
[00:03:50] increasing its demand for oil.
[00:03:54] All of the Red Sea is still
[00:03:58] tankers are still, there were tankers that were turned around. You probably
[00:04:02] know this better name. Like, you track this so carefully, 10 tankers
[00:04:05] turned around at the Red Sea. So what you are seeing is the
[00:04:09] push pressure here for the escalation
[00:04:13] is not just Trump's ego, and
[00:04:16] it's not even just his legacy. The push
[00:04:19] pressure for the escalation is the world
[00:04:22] economy, and this is going to put more and more
[00:04:25] pressure on President Trump to do something.
[00:04:29] And is he going to actually accept
[00:04:33] the permanent legacy that he ended
[00:04:36] America's unipolar
[00:04:39] moment, or is he going to go for escalation? And I think
[00:04:43] you're going to see more and more pressure toward escalation. I
[00:04:46] think he will continue to oscillate. I don't
[00:04:50] think this will be like the light switch which would make it really
[00:04:53] convenient for us to either panic all the time or
[00:04:56] not. But at the same time, this is what's really occurring,
[00:05:00] Mario, is its oscillation.
[00:05:03] But the next final point I want to make is that even as
[00:05:07] America is oscillating, the other actors in the region are not
[00:05:10] oscillating. So, Iran has
[00:05:14] been steadily drip by drip by drip
[00:05:17] gaining power. Their goal, I think, is
[00:05:20] to get all
[00:05:24] the region, that's all 50,000, that is all
[00:05:27] the bases, that is all the naval forces.
[00:05:30] And I think they're going to see how far they can push
[00:05:34] that between now and the mid-terms and probably through January before they're
[00:05:38] going to reconsider any of this. So I think they're heading right along
[00:05:42] a certain trajectory. It's a power
[00:05:44] trajectory, and I think that Trump's strategic
[00:05:48] paralysis isn't stopping that. He may, he may, it
[00:05:51] may be that he won't do the escalation, but this isn't
[00:05:55] stopping Iran from becoming the rising
[00:05:58] hegemon in the region, and it
[00:06:01] is going to exert power more and more
[00:06:05] over other states in the
[00:06:06] region.
[00:06:56] you to watch the Lebanon Today program with the presence
[00:06:59] of program experts, Dr. Mohammad Shams,
[00:07:03] university professor, and my colleague Seyyed Mohammad Hassan
[00:07:06] Hosseini. Dr. from the second round
[00:07:09] of negotiations in the seventh round of negotiations.
[00:07:13] Let's talk about the fact that simultaneously with these negotiations in Rome,
[00:07:17] we see that the Zionist regime, under the pretext of a ship and the injury
[00:07:20] of a number of its forces in an occupied
[00:07:24] area, bombed
[00:07:26] Tanbinin and, more importantly, issued
[00:07:30] an evacuation warning for the residents of the
[00:07:34] Mansouri area, and in the late night hours, even targeted the areas
[00:07:37] around Tyre, Burj al-Shamali, and Hawsh.
[00:07:40] Isn't this truly an excuse-making by the
[00:07:44] Israeli Bani and that a booby trap was placed
[00:07:48] there by Hezbollah during the war for whatever
[00:07:51] reason, and this is used to accuse
[00:07:55] Hezbollah of violating the ceasefire, especially
[00:08:04] of the seventh round of negotiations
[00:08:07] between the Lebanese delegation and the Zionist regime
[00:08:09] ended in failure. Today is the third day,
[00:08:13] but the news we have received
[00:08:17] is that the goals of these negotiations
[00:08:20] have not been met by cooperation from the US and Israel.
[00:08:23] Lebanon's request was for a real ceasefire
[00:08:27] and a test area of
[00:08:30] ​​two. They proposed Khiam or Bint Jbeil, and Israel and the US
[00:08:34] strongly rejected this and
[00:08:37] said that the main goal of the negotiations from the US and
[00:08:40] Israel is for this evaluation committee
[00:08:44] of the Lebanese army to be formed. Again, they did not reach
[00:08:47] a conclusion. They are stuck with that evaluation committee. Yes,
[00:08:50] the evaluation committee or the US and Israeli side. The third
[00:08:53] side, France or Italy, was proposed. Again, Israel did not
[00:08:57] accept Italy. So this committee has not yet been
[00:09:00] formed, and apparently, what
[00:09:03] Israel is after, what Netanyahu
[00:09:07] is after, is this reality that is now in Lebanon,
[00:09:10] the ceasefire. It is not a ceasefire. The violation of the ceasefire by Israel
[00:09:14] is always there, and there is also the possibility of escalating
[00:09:17] military operations that Netanyahu needs to use in the Knesset elections.
[00:09:21] This is the prevailing atmosphere over
[00:09:24] Lebanon's atmosphere and talks. The incident that
[00:09:28] happened yesterday was the explosion of a mine in one of the houses that
[00:09:32] the Israelis occupied in the village of Majdal Zoun,
[00:09:35] and this mine was there for a long time. Now
[00:09:38] there are two narratives from the Israeli media itself that this
[00:09:42] mine was accidentally placed there by the Israelis,
[00:09:46] and the mine exploded, and two people were killed and seven
[00:09:50] were injured from the Israeli soldiers. One of them was a high-ranking officer,
[00:09:54] or Hezbollah had placed
[00:09:57] it in one of these houses a long time ago and it exploded
[00:10:01] now. In any case, this was an excuse for the Israelis
[00:10:04] and the Americans to halt the meetings.
[00:10:07] After the meetings began in the afternoon, they halted the Rome negotiations.
[00:10:11] And they said that this situation, instead of the Lebanese government
[00:10:15] halting it because of Israel's bombing of
[00:10:18] villages like Burj
[00:10:22] al-Shamali, Mansouri, and
[00:10:55] The Israeli army wants to set an example for the Lebanese that
[00:10:59] you do not even have the right to have checkpoints in the occupied
[00:11:02] cities and villages there. This
[00:11:06] title does not have any other title. When they say
[00:11:09] you are violating agreements
[00:11:11] in the unoccupied village of Mansouri
[00:11:15] in the Tyre
[00:11:18] province, this is against the agreements. What does
[00:11:20] that mean? And a new issue was raised when
[00:11:24] they bombed the Mansouri area
[00:11:27] and issued an evacuation warning. These
[00:11:30] areas are also not occupied, and Israel wants to impose this reality
[00:11:33] that the discussion of Israeli military operations in the south
[00:11:37] of the Litani River is not limited. We can go north of the Litani
[00:11:40] River and villages that are not occupied. Wherever it is,
[00:11:44] we will issue an evacuation warning. In short, the negotiations have reached
[00:11:48] a stalemate. Of course, the Lebanese government and the governmental apparatus and the government
[00:11:52] media are promoting that there was progress
[00:11:56] in the negotiations because of the issue of border
[00:11:59] demarcation. Israel and the Lebanese government also
[00:12:03] presented a plan for border demarcation.
[00:12:05] The US, the government itself, says the US
[00:12:09] defined and encouraged this plan, and I don't know what
[00:12:12] good this will do. Now the discussion of the impact of this will continue
[00:12:15] in our discussions. Mr.
[00:12:18] Seyyed, anyway, after the evacuation warning was
[00:12:22] issued, it was said that this was a request from the regime's army.
[00:12:25] Later, the regime's politicians prevented its implementation. Some sources even said
[00:12:29] that Netanyahu stopped
[00:12:32] the attack on Mansouri out of consideration for the US. Of course, they compensated
[00:12:36] elsewhere. Some said that the Lebanese negotiating
[00:12:40] delegation from Rome requested a halt to this
[00:12:43] bombing. Anyway, there was a lot of talk. How did the situation
[00:12:47] progress, and what was the reality? These three points
[00:12:50] are very important. One,
[00:12:53] the heavy casualties that
[00:13:13] occurred, killed and injured. Whether this booby trap
[00:13:16] was already in the house
[00:13:20] or it was placed
[00:13:23] there recently.
[00:13:59] to establish itself and in negotiations with the Lebanese government,
[00:14:03] only manage this issue. The only thing that was not discussed
[00:14:06] in the Rome negotiations was the issue of withdrawal.
[00:14:09] That is, all other marginal issues were discussed, which
[00:14:13] have nothing to do with the main issue, including that
[00:14:16] the Lebanese government must report to the Zionist
[00:14:20] regime, and they do not
[00:14:23] accept good faith between quotation marks from
[00:14:27] the Lebanese government, and in practice, the Lebanese army must go north,
[00:14:30] not south, which is the border with occupied
[00:14:34] Palestine. It must go north to its own territory. Yes,
[00:14:37] inside. And inside Lebanese territory,
[00:14:40] it must take action to disarm and
[00:14:43] dismantle Hezbollah's
[00:14:46] weapons. And this is the meaning
[00:14:49] of the test areas that want to happen. The incident that happened
[00:14:53] yesterday is that
[00:15:25] it is forced to
[00:15:28] limit its presence and influence anyway. Now,
[00:15:32] I will not discuss the phrase "US withdrawal" or
[00:15:35] "US exit" for now.
[00:15:38] Some may say this is an exaggeration, but at least it is true
[00:15:41] that today's America is not the America of the past. Now
[00:15:45] the Zionists are very concerned about this issue,
[00:15:48] and this issue has also become a clear and hidden
[00:15:51] electoral issue within
[00:15:55] the regime in the Knesset elections or the parliament
[00:15:58] of this regime, where they criticize Netanyahu's policy
[00:16:02] towards America, and within this issue, there is also a debate in America that
[00:16:06] why should we put all of
[00:16:09] America at risk for
[00:16:12] Israel? Anyway, let's go back to southern Lebanon. The current
[00:16:15] situation in southern Lebanon will not be
[00:16:19] stable forever. This means that the Zionist regime and in fact
[00:16:22] the US itself, because the main party in the negotiations is the US,
[00:16:25] not Netanyahu. The US must decide
[00:16:28] whether it wants the southern Lebanese
[00:16:32] front to have stability in the overall
[00:16:36] US policy and to have peace,
[00:16:40] leading to the establishment of this peace in the border
[00:16:43] areas. The US is forced to decide to withdraw
[00:16:47] the occupying Zionist army from there. Whether
[00:16:50] Netanyahu wants it or not is a secondary issue. But
[00:16:54] as we said before, until the Knesset elections,
[00:16:56] until the midterm congressional elections in the
[00:16:59] US, we will not withdraw from southern Lebanon.
[00:17:03] The ceasefire period we are in will be extended
[00:17:07] until the Knesset elections, and all issues are now
[00:17:10] postponed until after the
[00:17:13] elections of the Zionist regime. Regarding
[00:17:16] Iran and the US, I think there is a possibility that
[00:17:20] a ceasefire period will be extended
[00:17:23] or the conflict will be suspended. Yes, a 60-day
[00:17:26] discussion is being raised that if something big is going
[00:17:29] to happen, it will be after the Knesset elections,
[00:17:32] the congressional elections. Yes, now, since
[00:17:36] Dr. Samad discussed border demarcation,
[00:17:39] I want to say that since they themselves are saying that in the area of border
[00:17:43] demarcation, your view is that this
[00:17:47] itself is a distraction and marginalization of the main talks
[00:17:50] in the negotiations between the two sides. It has been said that
[00:17:54] there has been progress, but the proposal of the Lebanese side,
[00:17:57] which it had advertised in the media space before the negotiations,
[00:18:00] to designate Khiam
[00:18:04] or Bint Jbeil as a test area, has remained fruitless. And
[00:18:07] the Zionists have objected. Your opinion, firstly,
[00:18:11] what does progress in drawing the border
[00:18:14] area mean, and was it really
[00:18:17] far-fetched for the Zionists not to accept
[00:18:21] the new test areas? Well, it is clear. We
[00:18:24] already said here in this program
[00:18:27] that Lebanon's proposal regarding the two test areas of
[00:18:30] Bint Jbeil and Khiam would be rejected, and the Israelis rejected
[00:18:34] it. In fact, I wanted to refer to
[00:18:38] Joseph Ann's speeches. He gave two speeches, one in
[00:18:41] Washington at the US Embassy in Washington, and one
[00:18:45] in a joint statement by Israel
[00:18:47] and Lebanon, which was issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
[00:18:51] Two very important sentences were said by Joseph Ann. One
[00:18:54] is that we pursue American interests,
[00:18:58] meaning he said we support American interests. This sentence is very important.
[00:19:02] That is, the President of the Lebanese government announces
[00:19:05] that we pursue
[00:19:08] the interests of the US government. And in the US
[00:19:11] Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement, which was written about
[00:19:15] Lebanon, I think during the second round of negotiations,
[00:19:18] he said "guaranteeing Israel's security forever."
[00:19:21] So these two missions or two
[00:19:25] commitments from the President of Lebanon, one is American interests
[00:19:29] and Israeli security. This was openly. I checked this
[00:19:32] yesterday. These two sentences are very dangerous and important. But excuse me,
[00:19:35] Sheikh Naim Qassem said
[00:19:38] that against Israel, the government's responsibility is clear. So far, it has failed.
[00:19:42] He even said that the government will also fail to achieve American interests
[00:19:45] in Lebanon. Yes, well, Sheikh Naim
[00:19:48] Qassem pointed out two important things. One is that
[00:19:51] the Lebanese government is giving
[00:19:54] free concessions to Israel instead of helping
[00:19:58] the Lebanese government. The second point is that he invited
[00:20:02] the Lebanese government to talk to its people and
[00:20:05] with the resistance. The issue of border demarcation.
[00:20:50] to the blue border there, and I said this is the border, excuse me, blue
[00:20:53] in terms of color, not a river. Now for the clarification of the viewers,
[00:20:56] I will say blue color. And the Lebanese government objected
[00:20:59] and said that the point of disagreement between the two sides
[00:21:03] and about 500,000 cubic meters here are still in the hands
[00:21:07] of Israel. So this blue line means temporary, not
[00:21:10] official. The Lebanese government came and said they want to propose
[00:21:13] a solution to this issue. The main question is now that Israel has occupied
[00:21:17] southern Lebanon, you want to demarcate the border. The blue
[00:21:21] line. First, the discussion of the withdrawal of Israelis from southern
[00:21:23] Lebanon. Then they say the border on that side wants to be examined
[00:21:27] and the demarcation of maritime borders, which
[00:21:30] is even more dangerous because there are
[00:21:33] gas and oil reserves there,
[00:21:37] and it is common between Lebanon and occupied
[00:21:40] Palestine. It is clear that here the Lebanese government, based on
[00:21:44] the request of the US, raises the issue of border
[00:21:47] demarcation. The maritime line, in fact.
[00:22:21] And this again, well, when they say "I don't accept it," then the Lebanese
[00:22:24] delegation says "I am ready to demarcate the borders," meaning there must have been
[00:22:28] a request from the US for the Lebanese government to go
[00:22:31] and make concessions on border demarcation to the Israelis,
[00:22:35] because now the balance of power is not in favor of Lebanon,
[00:22:38] but in favor of Israel and the US. So the discussion
[00:22:41] of this issue of border demarcation is being raised at a moment of weakness for Lebanon
[00:22:45] at the request of the US. Its meaning
[00:22:48] and result are clear. Concessions from Lebanon in favor
[00:22:52] of Israel. In general, which part do you see as more
[00:22:55] critical? The maritime blue line,
[00:22:59] territorial, or the land blue line,
[00:23:02] which is known as UNIFIL? Well,
[00:23:05] now, of those two lines, the more dangerous
[00:23:09] issue is above the yellow area or the
[00:23:12] yellow line. The Israelis intend to launch a wider operation
[00:23:15] and expand the yellow area, meaning no more border line.
[00:23:32] talks that the Israeli army has proposed to start extensive ground operations, but political officials have kept it on hold based
[00:23:36] on
[00:23:36] the request of
[00:23:40] the US. Yes, I want to ask Mr. Seyyed a supplementary point, and that is, in these circumstances, does the land
[00:23:44] blue line or the maritime
[00:23:47] blue line have importance that the Lebanese government
[00:23:50] is moving towards and raising in the negotiations? I want to say that this
[00:23:54] is a national issue, or is it a complete
[00:23:58] marginalization that the Zionist regime has created for the government?
[00:24:01] Look, the border between Lebanon and occupied
[00:24:04] Palestine, which the Americans and Zionists say
[00:24:08] is Israel, this border is
[00:24:11] clear. When the border is clear, it is not demarcated. Yes,
[00:24:15] what is clear must be established, and this will
[00:24:18] always be
[00:24:50] their lands across the border, except for some
[00:24:54] Lebanese village farms that are on this side of the border. These are located
[00:24:57] within occupied Palestine, meaning they became part of occupied Palestine. It is actually Lebanon
[00:25:01] there, meaning parts of what we ourselves are mistakenly
[00:25:05] calling parts of the lands north of occupied Palestine, which we say
[00:25:09] are actually lands of southern Lebanon. However, they are located
[00:25:12] south of the southern border. We are not concerned
[00:25:16] about that now. What happened in 2000, after
[00:25:20] the defeat and withdrawal of the Israeli army from southern Lebanon, was that
[00:25:23] the United Nations came to establish
[00:25:27] that border line, and along the border line,
[00:25:31] which was barbed wire, in places where the United Nations came
[00:25:34] and established it, they placed some barrels of
[00:25:38] blue color, and it became the blue line. In fact, in this
[00:25:41] demarcation and establishment of the border, excuse me, in the establishment
[00:25:45] of the border that took place, 13 points, as Dr.
[00:25:49] said, became points of disagreement which have not been resolved
[00:25:52] yet. Regarding the maritime border,
[00:25:56] the maritime border between Lebanon and occupied Palestine was established. The only
[00:26:00] remaining point is the Shebaa Farms. The Shebaa Farms
[00:26:03] at the far end of the Shebaa Farms is east-southeast. Yes, east-south.
[00:26:07] That is, at the far end of the eastern border of Lebanon
[00:26:11] in the foothills of the occupied Golan Heights. There is a dispute there because
[00:26:14] between the occupied territories of Syria and Lebanon. Yes,
[00:26:18] Syria there, in fact, this document
[00:26:22] of Lebanese identity there, which is Lebanese, was established,
[00:26:25] and the Zionist regime does not accept to recognize
[00:26:29] it as part of Lebanese
[00:26:32] territory. The demarcation
[00:26:35] and establishment of the border, in fact, the establishment of the border
[00:26:39] in southern Lebanon means the end of
[00:26:42] Israeli ambitions. This is an important issue. When the US ambassador
[00:26:45] to occupied Palestine says that the south of the Litani River, meaning southern
[00:26:49] Lebanon, yes, must be annexed to Israel
[00:26:52] because it is part of the biblical land of
[00:26:56] Judah, this is the official ambassador of the
[00:26:59] US government, and Washington did not
[00:27:02] actually deny these statements and did not
[00:27:06] silent, meaning it accepts this issue. Dan Shapiro,
[00:27:09] Trump's former envoy,
[00:27:12] when he says that northern Lebanon must be annexed to Syria, these people are advocating
[00:27:16] for division. What prevents division is the unity
[00:27:20] of the Lebanese nation. Here, the Lebanese government, which should be the symbol
[00:27:23] of this unity, is playing
[00:27:26] a reverse role. The fact that the resistance,
[00:27:29] in its speech yesterday,
[00:28:02] occupies some areas there,
[00:30:35] At 2 o'clock, the president, in a television interview, announced
[00:30:38] that power and gas outages would be minimized this winter.
[00:30:42] Mr. Pezeshkian said that the 14th government was trying
[00:30:46] to bring 30,000 megawatts of electricity into the grid through the development of solar
[00:30:49] panels to minimize energy
[00:30:53] imbalance. However, attacks by the US and the Zionist
[00:30:57] regime prevented this goal from being achieved, and electricity generation
[00:31:00] through solar panels