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[00:02:18] Good time, welcome to the news line at this hour. our heroes and crowns of our heads, You are very welcome. In the three recent
[00:02:21] imposed wars on our country, in addition to military confrontation
[00:02:25] and the war of narratives, a full-fledged
[00:02:28] legal battle is also underway.
[00:02:32] A battle in which Iran's judiciary is trying to create
[00:02:35] a basis for international follow-ups
[00:02:38] and the restitution of the rights of all victims
[00:02:42] and, of course, those affected by the enemy's aggression
[00:02:45] by opening cases and, of course, careful legal proceedings.
[00:02:49] In the latest legal step, the first
[00:02:52] session to address the case
[00:02:55] of the 12-day imposed war crime
[00:02:58] was held in Branch 55
[00:03:00] of the International Civil Court. To learn about
[00:03:04] the details of this matter, we invited Mr.Youcefi,
[00:03:07] Deputy Head of the Center for Lawyers and Official Experts of the Judiciary,
[00:03:12] The best of processions to join us in the studio. Mr. Youcefi, greetings to you. Hello.
[00:03:14] Good day to you. I extend my regards and
[00:03:19] God, to You be praise in the respect to you and all esteemed viewers of the program. I am at your service.
[00:03:22] May you be well. Thank you very much for accepting our invitation. The first session
[00:03:25] of the court to address the complaint of the victims
[00:03:28] and, of course, those affected by the 12-day imposed war was held.
[00:03:32] What legal steps have been taken? Well, you see,
[00:03:35] I will say this point afterwards, which people might
[00:03:39] now say that the time gap between the formation of this court and
[00:03:43] the time of this crime and this attack has been very long. The discussion
[00:03:46] is that we have a general rule, and that is
[00:03:50] that a verdict in the international arena must be recognizable,
[00:03:53] and in order for it to be recognizable,
[00:03:57] the trial process must be conducted
[00:04:00] legally, precisely, and with all
[00:04:02] Bab al-Mandeb to Iraq, from possible formalities. This time interval
[00:04:06] that we see is an interval that is divided into several
[00:04:09] important matters. One is the preparation of the case,
[00:04:13] the documentation of the case, obtaining powers of attorney,
[00:04:16] preparing petitions and lawsuits.
[00:04:19] In continuation of the matter, there is the initial investigation of the case,
[00:04:23] referrals and carrying out expert activities.
[00:04:26] After that, the process of notification to the foreign party.
[00:04:31] Because we generally have defendants in this case who are officials,
[00:04:34] authorities, agencies,
[00:04:38] are in the hands of our brothers in Iran. This and various sectors of foreign governments, naturally, the process
[00:04:42] of notifying these individuals and summoning them to the hearing session
[00:04:45] is a process that must be carried out legally. It must have at least three months
[00:04:49] for the notification period so that
[00:04:52] the hearing session is held in a completely legal manner.
[00:04:55] This is a very important point, you see.
[00:05:00] caused any Some people might say that can we try
[00:05:02] another country in a domestic court? Can we issue a conviction
[00:05:06] against, for example, the president
[00:05:09] the strongest surprise this of another country in our own domestic court?
[00:05:11] Yes, according to the laws, both in our domestic custom and
[00:05:15] in international custom, and in all countries, this rule exists.
[00:05:19] The important thing is that a specific
[00:05:22] law must exist regarding this jurisdiction,
[00:05:26] and secondly, that the trial must be conducted
[00:05:29] with all the formalities of that law or related laws.
[00:05:33] We have five main jurisdictional pillars in our existing
[00:05:36] laws. Based on these five main pillars, the court
[00:05:40] finds its special jurisdiction. And, of course, the process
[00:05:44] continues. What we see regarding the time of the crime and
[00:05:48] the time of the session is that this time span is due to the matters
[00:05:51] you mentioned, so that the matter can proceed in this manner.
[00:05:55] Various issues are naturally being addressed
[00:05:58] regarding this matter. Attacks on things like
[00:06:02] the glass building of IRIB, like the country's nuclear
[00:06:05] facilities, the martyrdom of some nuclear scientists
[00:06:09] and also some of your esteemed and honored family, these are all
[00:06:12] related to the 12-day war. The 40-day war
[00:06:16] and the Ramadan war that we have gone through and, of course, are not yet
[00:06:19] over, essentially a process like this
[00:06:22] process, which we might call long, but from your perspective is completely
[00:06:26] legal, the hearing session. Yes, God willing,
[00:06:29] you will review it. You held the first session.
[00:06:33] What were the prominent points raised in the session? Look, the discussions
[00:06:37] surrounding this issue, I will say it generally, look, when
[00:06:40] we talk about damages related to legal claims
[00:06:44] of war, the first discussion is that this lawsuit and this hearing
[00:06:47] that has been held are civil lawsuits and claims for civil
[00:06:51] damages of war. Discussions related to crimes
[00:06:55] and criminal matters are still open for review,
[00:06:59] and are currently being sent to the criminal courts of Tehran, and
[00:07:02] also, well, it was an important case that we exactly one day before
[00:07:06] the start of the Ramadan war in international courts
[00:07:10] and in the Iran-US Claims Tribunal. It was raised. So, in another opportunity,
[00:07:13] war crimes will be investigated in several
[00:07:17] multiple opportunities. This means that the discussions we have are about
[00:07:20] international proceedings, foreign proceedings,
[00:07:23] domestic proceedings. This means that in the international part, it relates to what
[00:07:27] we refer to as war crimes. Look, in the discussion of
[00:07:31] war crimes, which of these sections you mentioned, which of these areas
[00:07:34] of damage fall within this area and this field
[00:07:38] of work? Look, considering that every type
[00:07:42] of attack, every type of aggression entails different dimensions
[00:07:45] of damage, we have direct damages, meaning the exact damages
[00:07:48] that, for example, were inflicted on the glass building of IRIB.
[00:07:52] Well, the number of damages
[00:07:55] related to the Ramadan war is completely clear. The number related
[00:07:59] to the 12-day war is also determined, expertly assessed, and done. Now,
[00:08:03] look, in continuation of the matter, we have
[00:08:06] suffered direct material damage. We also have a lot of moral
[00:08:10] damages regarding this issue.
[00:08:13] In continuation of this matter, we also have multiple
[00:08:16] punitive damages. Well, you know, for example, regarding
[00:08:19] the glass building of IRIB, we had a figure for the
[00:08:23] building, a figure for the equipment, a figure
[00:08:26] for the technology, and a figure for the value of the lost
[00:08:30] IRIB archive. Well, all of these were assessed,
[00:08:33] their number was determined, and it was announced. Now, considering that it is sensitive data,
[00:08:37] we generally might not be able to announce it in numbers and figures.
[00:08:40] Those are media regulations, I don't know.
[00:09:12] Naturally, it has caused destructive effects on the country's industry,
[00:09:16] the country's technology, the country's scientific findings, and also the country's
[00:09:20] scientific path, which are by no means cases that can be
[00:09:23] overlooked or forgiven, and generally, these cases are pursued
[00:09:27] very diligently, and from the very first day, that is,
[00:09:30] exactly upon impact, the discussion regarding legal pursuit of this
[00:09:34] matter began, a case was opened, and the case, with
[00:09:38] a very, very complete set of documents in
[00:09:41] various sections,
[00:09:58] open the topic. You also mentioned the perpetrators in this case, and we are
[00:10:01] actually charging them.
[00:10:05] They are the US and the Zionist regime. None of them are members
[00:10:09] of the Rome Statute either. The point is that an
[00:10:12] international civil court that is being established in Tehran, based
[00:10:16] on which of the international statutes and conventions, can enter
[00:10:20] this matter and investigate and review this matter,
[00:10:23] and in what dimensions can the case be examined, and how can
[00:10:27] its evidence be discussed in international forums, and for example,
[00:10:30] how can we study them so that we can prove
[00:10:34] this accusation against them that they are guilty
[00:10:38] and criminals, and for this crime,
[00:10:42] they must eventually endure a punishment? Where should this be communicated
[00:10:45] to them? How will the guarantee of its execution be?
[00:10:49] Excellent. First of all, I am very grateful that this
[00:10:52] issue was finally given special emphasis, because
[00:10:56] very often, whether in other fields or other areas, when we talk about international
[00:10:59] litigation, this angle is exactly the angle that is ambiguous
[00:11:03] for many people, and perhaps clarifying this is more important than many other matters.
[00:11:07] And the point is, look, firstly, we have many
[00:11:11] conventions, treaties, and matters related to international
[00:11:14] law. Some of these relate to the jurisdiction
[00:11:17] and competence of courts in the area of proceedings. Some of
[00:11:21] these relate to the definition and explanation of, for example, a specific type of crime
[00:11:25] or the prohibition of a specific type of crime. Look, the point
[00:11:29] is that both of these criminals
[00:11:32] you mentioned, considering their records, considering
[00:11:36] their ideologies, considering everything they had in mind,
[00:11:40] are generally not members of any international treaties
[00:11:43] regarding trials, and well, generally, wherever there
[00:11:47] was membership or accession, it was with a reservation
[00:11:50] of impossibility of proceedings. In many cases,
[00:11:54] they also had an entry. But eventually, an exit occurred. Now, because we don't want it to become too
[00:11:57] technical, in this way, look, the point is
[00:12:01] that we have three types of litigation.
[00:12:04] We have domestic litigation regarding international affairs.
[00:12:07] We have foreign litigation and international litigation.
[00:12:11] Generally, these countries are not members of any
[00:12:14] international bodies for international litigation to even apply.
[00:12:18] We enter the discussion of
[00:12:22] foreign litigation, meaning filing lawsuits
[00:12:26] in countries that have international jurisdiction
[00:12:29] and can investigate these countries and these crimes.
[00:12:32] Indeed, many countries have joined us. Lawsuits
[00:12:36] have been filed, follow-up is ongoing, and it is progressing
[00:12:39] with its details. I must also say that our international
[00:12:43] proceedings are proceeding
[00:12:46] with power and strength, especially regarding crimes
[00:12:49] that the whole world agrees are crimes.
[00:12:53] No one, for example, when we talk about the Minap case,
[00:12:57] no human, no honorable person
[00:13:00] in the world, would question that this is a crime. But
[00:13:04] regarding what we have in the International Civil Branch of Tehran,
[00:13:08] look, based on the rules of international law, we
[00:13:11] must have a legal and recognizable verdict. This
[00:13:15] verdict is issued in a domestic court and recognized
[00:13:19] in international courts. This means that we
[00:13:23] then request recognition and enforcement in other countries. Let me say this point:
[00:13:26] your documentation is complete, you present them, and they
[00:13:30] are recognized. We have a history of enforcement, a history of enforcement. This means that in
[00:13:33] numerous cases in this past year alone,
[00:13:37] previous rulings against the US government have been issued,
[00:13:41] recognized, enforced, and
[00:13:44] collected. This means that in recent months,
[00:13:47] we have had cases where amounts were collected. Ships
[00:13:51] belonging to the United States were seized in the
[00:13:55] Persian Gulf. Not only were they seized, but
[00:13:58] after seizure, our judicial rulings existed. Regarding judicial rulings,
[00:14:02] an auction was held, sales took place,
[00:14:05] international sales, in fact. By our order, property
[00:14:09] belonging to the US that was under our seizure was bought
[00:14:13] by other countries based on that. This money
[00:14:15] was deposited into the account of the Iranian judiciary and also presented
[00:14:19] to the victims of the crime. So this is possible,
[00:14:22] it is possible and has been done before. It has been done,
[00:14:26] and this is a very important point, as you also mentioned. Perhaps many of our
[00:14:29] viewers also have this question, especially regarding when we say
[00:14:33] our defendant is a foreign defendant and we don't have specific access to them,
[00:14:37] how can we bring this to a conclusion that, after all,
[00:14:41] we have suffered some damage? Now, this damage is not physical, this damage is financial,
[00:14:44] and of course, the details of the points you also mentioned. I just want to interject
[00:14:48] here, perhaps this is the right place for me to once again
[00:14:51] invite all people
[00:14:55] to join the legal battle. All dear ones, this submission
[00:14:58] of lawsuits, this submission of power of attorney, in the national legal battle system,
[00:15:02] people should definitely take this seriously, pursue this diligently
[00:15:06] so that we naturally have a much
[00:15:09] stronger backing day by day and can pursue this path with strength.
[00:15:13] God willing, in the first
[00:15:16] special court for the 12-day war that was held, of course, since this court was special for the 12-day
[00:15:20] war, and one of the events that happened in the 12-day war
[00:15:23] was the attack on the glass building, certainly this
[00:15:27] session was also dedicated to the attack on
[00:15:30] the IRIB building and they described
[00:15:34] it as a crime against civilians.
[00:15:38] In international law, if you agree, please open this up for us and our esteemed
[00:15:41] viewers and explain the exact difference
[00:15:45] between a military target and a civilian target, which we have repeatedly
[00:15:48] mentioned in the news and used this term,
[00:15:52] but perhaps you, as a legal expert, can better
[00:15:56] explain its specific examples. Please tell us what it is, especially
[00:16:00] regarding the media. You say what differences does this military target
[00:16:03] have with a civilian target? Look, the main discussion is related
[00:16:09] to international rulings and conventions. You mentioned that in
[00:16:12] very numerous international conventions,
[00:16:16] the rules related to war itself are defined:
[00:16:19] that civilians should not be attacked in war,
[00:16:23] civilian places, especially cultural
[00:16:26] places, social places, places where people
[00:16:30] during wartime need to receive
[00:16:33] information. People are anxious during
[00:16:36] wartime. In international law, we have protection of media institutions
[00:16:40] in a special, specific, and clear manner. Completely. Look, we have a whole
[00:16:43] set of laws, regulations, and treaties regarding the field
[00:16:47] of media. Some of these are related to the duties of
[00:16:51] media outlets themselves, that media outlets should not spread hatred,
[00:16:54] should not promote violence, should not promote war,
[00:16:58] and so on. Well, we see that many
[00:17:00] foreign media outlets, human foreign media outlets,
[00:17:04] have very specific interventions.
[00:17:07] They have carried out activities in our sovereign domain which are under investigation. Previously,
[00:17:11] there has also been a history of investigations leading to the condemnation of many of these
[00:17:14] now seemingly foreign media networks.
[00:17:17] For example, regarding attacks on media outlets, look, media
[00:17:21] outlets, given that people's access to information during wartime
[00:17:25] becomes more limited, many times communication means might
[00:17:28] decrease, from the minimum, such as radio and television,
[00:17:32] and after that, social media, the internet, and so on, people
[00:17:35] want to use them. Given that people generally
[00:17:39] need to receive all kinds of health, pharmaceutical,
[00:17:43] medical, military, and war information through this channel,
[00:17:46] attacking these is not attacking a building.
[00:17:50] Attacking these is attacking the primary
[00:17:53] rights of all people who are the audience of that media
[00:17:57] outlet. And this is a very important aspect. This means that when
[00:18:00] an announcement is to be issued somewhere, a topic is to be discussed,
[00:18:04] educational materials are to be conveyed to the people. Even
[00:18:08] the media has the duty to soothe the people's pains,
[00:18:11] to provide war-related information.
[00:18:14] Well, we see that exactly such
[00:18:17] a matter was violated in the war. This attack took
[00:18:20] place. Then, look, regarding all these matters, we
[00:18:24] have specific rules. First of all, the attack must be justified,
[00:18:27] it must be on a military target. A military
[00:18:30] target even differs from a law enforcement target.
[00:18:34] We now have a report that Human Rights Watch
[00:18:37] has issued, the Human Rights Commission has issued, even
[00:18:41] all the attacks that were carried out on our police
[00:18:44] stations, on our Basij bases, were also condemned.
[00:18:47] In all of these, it was declared that these are not considered
[00:18:50] military locations. Military locations
[00:18:53] are those that are involved in the war itself and in cross-border
[00:18:57] activities, not in providing internal order. When
[00:19:00] we have even in the domestic sphere damaged buildings,
[00:19:04] collapsed buildings, there is a lot of potential
[00:19:07] for theft and robbery. It is these police stations that
[00:19:11] must carry out their duties. Evin Prison in the 12-day war
[00:19:14] also exemplifies this non-military issue. Exactly, it's completely the same.
[00:19:18] Especially since, you see, in that prison, we had
[00:19:21] many martyred soldiers,
[00:19:24] many martyred prisoners, many martyred
[00:19:27] judges, whereas, you see, judges
[00:19:31] and places related to providing
[00:19:35] judicial services to the people are among the cases for which we actually have special rules regarding
[00:19:39] this matter. And the discussion about IRIB, look,
[00:19:42] the first rule that must be observed in wartime attacks is the rule
[00:19:46] of distinction, meaning distinction between military and non-military
[00:19:49] locations. Even in places where we have military
[00:19:53] locations in close proximity to civilian
[00:19:56] locations, the principle of proportionality also applies, meaning
[00:20:00] the amount of ammunition used must be proportionate
[00:20:03] to the target. Not that we destroy a target for a specific reason
[00:20:07] with such ammunition that a very
[00:20:10] wide radius of unrelated people in that area are hit
[00:20:14] and destroyed. And well, generally, when these people
[00:20:17] claim that we are carrying out our attacks,
[00:20:21] for example, with complete information and data, which
[00:20:24] certainly was not the case, it was so error-prone, so
[00:20:27] mistaken, so indiscriminate in many cases, that if I had
[00:20:31] the opportunity, I would just give you a comprehensive report
[00:20:34] of the damaged factories in Iran, out of those eleven hundred factories,
[00:20:38] it would be completely clear that the targets were not
[00:20:42] military targets, they were not wartime targets. When
[00:20:45] our country's plastic manufacturing facilities are hit,
[00:20:49] when the country's disposable roof is hit, this is not a military
[00:20:52] attack. This is the ugliest type of crime. A wedding in Syria
[00:20:56] is being discussed. Where is the target military, and what
[00:21:00] military personnel are present there? Exactly, so we are seeing a chain
[00:21:04] of destruction that cannot be justified by any logic other than
[00:21:07] criminal logic, other than the dirty logic that naturally
[00:21:11] we have probably never seen in any crime in history with such
[00:21:15] blatant clarity. Since our time is also somewhat limited until the end
[00:21:18] of the program, it was mentioned in court that
[00:21:22] separate cases would be opened for each of the
[00:21:25] raised issues. If you could
[00:21:29] explain in one minute with what aim this separation
[00:21:33] is being done, I would be grateful. Look, it is so that we never
[00:21:37] diminish the magnitude of this crime by combining
[00:21:40] and speeding up the proceedings. Certainly, just as it does not
[00:21:44] prolong the proceedings, it does not increase the burden, we will not
[00:21:48] reach a result late. Look, we should never
[00:21:52] sacrifice the principle of the result for any speed. Speed is important,
[00:21:55] seriousness is important, accuracy is important,
[00:21:58] the ideal perfection is also considered.
[00:22:02] Certainly, every martyr, every
[00:22:04] crime, every missile, and every strike is a case.
[00:22:08] The magnitude of these crimes is never intended to be diminished
[00:22:11] by consolidation, and certainly, for every crime,
[00:22:15] every martyr, every destruction, and every impact, we have one
[00:22:18] case.
[00:23:02] At these very moments,
[00:23:06] the prisoners, are arriving. They emerge from the depths of prisons
[00:23:09] and from the detention centers of the aggressors like fierce
[00:23:13] lions, with their heads held high and their foreheads bright. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, for the safety of these
[00:23:16] heroic mujahideen. They are now arriving
[00:23:20] to their families, to their kin, to their relatives, among the members
[00:23:24] of their people. They emerge steadfast like towering mountains. They have not
[00:23:27] wavered, nor have they flinched, nor have they weakened, nor
[00:23:30] have they surrendered, nor have they been enfeebled,
[00:23:34] despite the harsh treatment and despite the violations and torture
[00:23:37] by the jailers. Let the world be adorned,
[00:23:40] let it rejoice, let the people of wisdom
[00:23:43] and faith come out to receive these heroic prisoners,
[00:23:47] who emerged by the grace of God Almighty. And by the steadfastness
[00:23:51] of their mujahideen comrades on the carpet of happiness,
[00:23:54] secrets whisper, and pride covers Yemen
[00:23:58] and the Ansar people.
[00:24:02] on the red carpet, the day
[00:24:04] we embraced, we conquered the creator of calamity. O
[00:24:09] first and in the last, and thanks
[00:24:12] to You for what happened in our sacrifice.
[00:24:15] Our joy in our exodus
[00:24:18] with honor beyond
[00:24:20] challenge.
[00:24:25] The great power and beneath its chest, the humility
[00:24:29] of Al-Ghazzani. They met their adversaries
[00:24:32] defeated, disbelieving
[00:24:35] his
[00:24:37] name. You are the ones who force us to fight you. By God
[00:24:41] Almighty, if if we knew
[00:24:44] that there was any sense of honor or zeal in you,
[00:24:47] we would not have fought you from
[00:24:52] the Arabian Sea to Lebanon, from the Red
[00:24:56] Sea to Iran, from
[00:24:59] Djibouti, the border of Yemen with the Yemeni border,
[00:25:02] to Palestine. I am loyal to the covenant,
[00:25:06] O axis of pride and steadfastness. We now have, by the grace of God
[00:25:09] Almighty, two straits: the Strait of
[00:25:12] Hormuz and the Strait of Bab al-Mandeb. And by the will of God
[00:25:15] Almighty, the blue entity will not be able to control
[00:25:19] them, nor will the Saudi enemy, by the will of God Almighty.
[00:25:22] And today, the keys to Hormuz
[00:25:28] ship, this is what the enemy used to sing about, that our missiles
[00:25:31] are ineffective and have no impact.
[00:25:34] Focus on where it hit. The poet was right when he said
[00:25:38] we only hit the heart or the skull. There's a skull on the ship,
[00:25:42] by the grace of God Almighty. These are the ships that the armed forces used to hit,
[00:25:45] and the people used to come out and say, "You're doing nothing, you haven't
[00:25:50] damage to the entity." Incinerated, by the grace
[00:25:54] of God Almighty. Come, I'll show you today
[00:25:59] week. The result of the results, the summary of everything this week,
[00:26:02] this is the strongest
[00:26:04] picture, and this is the strongest shot, and the strongest scene you might see until this moment.
[00:26:08] Come.
[00:26:15] O Lord, all praise
[00:26:17] is due to You.
[00:26:20] We are officially in Bab al-Mandeb,
[00:26:22] Yemen. When a person simply dismisses
[00:26:26] this group, they might make a mistake in calculating
[00:26:30] their power. But now, more than ever,
[00:26:34] this truth has become clear to all the people
[00:26:37] of the world: power belongs to the people
[00:26:41] who have gathered around the axis of Velayat.
[00:26:43] It will not be long before the oppressed throughout
[00:26:47] the world will realize that true power lies
[00:26:51] only in unity of faith,
[00:26:54] and there is no way other than armed
[00:26:58] jihad to achieve justice.
[00:27:01] Then, the truth inherent
[00:27:04] in the name of the Mobilization of the Oppressed will be
[00:27:07] realized, and all the oppressed will
[00:27:11] put on the attire of battle to fight
[00:27:14] oppression and will enter
[00:27:18] the battlefield. God is Great.
[00:30:32] Let us preserve the greatness and glory of the people's
[00:30:36] awakening in the streets with sacred cohesion and unity
[00:30:39] in all domains. General Mousavi, in a message on the eve
[00:30:42] of the twentieth night,
[00:30:46] the twentieth night of the Iranian nation's awakening
[00:30:50] and their presence in squares and streets, considered
[00:30:53] this nightly uprising a cause of global
[00:30:56] astonishment and wonder. The Commander of the IRGC Aerospace Force.