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[00:00:00] Very regretful.
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[00:00:18] Thank you for joining us. Good day and
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[00:00:50] In the name of God, greetings and respect to each and every one of you, viewers and
[00:00:53] listeners of the Economy Desk program, who are accompanying us in this part of this
[00:00:57] economic discussion from Khabar Network and the simultaneous broadcast of this
[00:01:00] program from Eghtesad Radio. Today, we want to talk about
[00:01:04] CNG consumption, from gasoline to natural gas.
[00:01:08] We will talk about the obstacles to the development and greater use of this
[00:01:11] alternative fuel. We have talked a lot about CNG. We always
[00:01:15] have a few repeated words and sentences that say that we can use
[00:01:19] twice as much CNG as we are currently using. There is capacity to use it,
[00:01:23] but it is not being used, and there is no desire, and these things are
[00:01:26] in their place. If you remember, from the 80s, when the discussion about
[00:01:30] CNG became very heated with the change in gasoline prices,
[00:01:33] its use intensified due to the price difference
[00:01:37] between, as I said,
[00:01:40] natural gas and gasoline.
[00:01:43] Basically, two factors cause people's desire
[00:01:47] for alternative fuels to increase. One is a significant price difference,
[00:01:51] and the other is the compatibility of
[00:01:54] alternative fuels with cars.
[00:01:57] The second issue has almost been resolved. Why? At that time,
[00:02:04] the first generation of dual-fuel kits were used, but now we have reached the fourth generation of dual-fuel kits,
[00:02:08] which means that naturally, the compatibility of
[00:02:11] car engines with the use of CNG fuel has become
[00:02:15] better and more. We will talk more about this in the program, about what has happened,
[00:02:18] because there is a belief and, as I said, an old thing
[00:02:22] among all of us that we think that when a car is currently using
[00:02:26] CNG fuel, its traction is less
[00:02:29] and its breakdowns are more. In previous generations, it was like this,
[00:02:32] but now it is much less, and almost, according to
[00:02:36] the officials, this does not happen. This is in its place.
[00:02:40] Also, in periods when the price of gasoline had a very significant
[00:02:43] difference with the price of natural gas, and it was worthwhile for people
[00:02:47] to use a cheaper fuel instead of using more expensive gasoline,
[00:02:51] naturally, the desire to use natural gas would also increase. Of course,
[00:02:54] not in the sense that the other interpretation would be that, well, then the price of gasoline
[00:02:58] should be increased again, for example, so that gas,
[00:03:02] as I said, is economical. But generally, we are looking at behavior, we are looking at economic behavior.
[00:03:06] When the price of gasoline does not have such a difference with the price of natural gas,
[00:03:10] that you want to choose which one to use,
[00:03:13] naturally, you choose the one that is more easily available
[00:03:16] and has more trust from before. Naturally, this
[00:03:19] difference can help us use more alternative fuel
[00:03:23] and overcome the challenges we have in the country regarding
[00:03:26] gasoline supply. Why? Because according to the statistics announced by the government itself,
[00:03:30] last year, we had about 5.5 to 6 billion dollars
[00:03:34] of fuel imports, which, naturally, if we had
[00:03:37] used this for natural gas,
[00:03:40] for its development, for producing more cars,
[00:03:44] we could have reduced the pressure of
[00:03:47] imports given the current situation. This is one issue.
[00:03:51] Another issue is the chicken and egg problem.
[00:03:55] How? It is said that first you give us money, and then we will
[00:03:58] go and save.
[00:04:06] The point is that now we have the Energy Efficiency Organization
[00:04:09] and naturally there is also the Efficiency Fund and resources have been
[00:04:13] injected into that fund. There are some
[00:04:16] ideas that we should quickly bring this money into these areas and spend it on gas conversion.
[00:04:20] These resources should not be used in this way,
[00:04:23] according to experts. Most of it is for this purpose: if you save,
[00:04:27] we will give you a saving certificate to sell on the stock exchange.
[00:04:30] Or if I am going to give you money upfront to do this, there should be
[00:04:34] a guarantee. If tomorrow I gave you this billion dollars
[00:04:38] or several thousand billion tomans and you went and said, "It didn't happen, I couldn't save,"
[00:04:42] then what? So let's have an agreement that if saving was to happen,
[00:04:46] the guarantee should be in place, and if this
[00:04:50] unfortunately didn't happen, the money shouldn't be lost. We shouldn't be left with
[00:04:53] a fund whose money has been wasted and, as I said, not spent
[00:04:57] in the right place, and naturally, we would say that the newly
[00:05:00] established organization cannot do its job. Of course, all these wheels should
[00:05:04] work more smoothly together. We want to talk about these things: how many
[00:05:07] CNG capacities are currently available? How many active stations do we have? How many
[00:05:11] are inactive?
[00:05:15] The key to the CNG issue is this discussion about car manufacturers,
[00:05:19] because the more dual-fuel cars are produced, the more people
[00:05:22] will be inclined to use this natural fuel.
[00:05:26] This was an introduction to what we are going to talk about for these 37 minutes
[00:05:30] with the guests of the program, and see what the situation
[00:05:34] of alternative natural gas fuel is. What are the government's plans
[00:05:37] for more use? What happened to the car manufacturers? And what will happen
[00:05:41] to the supply of more gas? Let's watch a report together, and then I will introduce
[00:05:44] the guests to you, and we will start the discussion,
[00:05:46] God willing.
[00:05:49] For a while now, we have been hearing a lot about reducing gasoline consumption. Solutions
[00:05:52] such as alternative fuels, including electricity and gas, have received
[00:05:56] a lot of attention. Since we are intercity taxis, we use
[00:05:59] gas more often. I don't fill up with gasoline in the morning anymore.
[00:06:03] You really don't? I really don't. I filled up last night. Now I'm filling up for tomorrow morning
[00:06:06] to be ready. Less is consumed. Yes, people are encouraged.
[00:06:10] Yes, but for example, this gas has not been able to
[00:06:12] gain its share of the market as it should have. Unfortunately,
[00:06:16] over the past two years, we have had less
[00:06:19] growth and sales. We went from 25 million
[00:06:23] cubic meters to 15 million cubic meters.
[00:06:27] That is, we had a 40% decrease in sales.
[00:06:30] Alternative fuels, in addition to reducing refueling costs, can
[00:06:34] also reduce the pressure on gasoline today. Moreover, this
[00:06:38] reduction in fuel consumption is directly going into people's pockets.
[00:06:41] With siege and these actions, they want to start a fight.
[00:06:45] We, with unity and cohesion, will nullify
[00:06:48] their plans, and with empathy and cooperation,
[00:06:51] all people's concerns are my concern.
[00:06:55] However, to make CNG widespread, programs have also been implemented
[00:06:59] in a targeted manner in Kerman, Sistan and Baluchestan, and Tehran
[00:07:02] for high-use online taxis, which are taxis that
[00:07:06] travel more than 200 kilometers per day. We are doing
[00:07:09] this. Through online taxis, an SMS has been sent to these
[00:07:13] high-use vehicles, and after they complete
[00:07:17] their registration, we convert these vehicles
[00:07:20] to dual-fuel completely free of charge. In the end, however, while
[00:07:24] we have a distribution capacity of approximately 40 million cubic meters of CNG in
[00:07:27] the country, only a little over 16 million cubic meters
[00:07:31] of it is used, a number that is so low that even when
[00:07:35] gasoline was distributed without problems, something should have been
[00:07:38] done about it. Reza Shafiee, IRIB News Agency.
[00:07:44] Yes, Reza Shafiee's report from the energy group of IRIB News Agency was presented to
[00:07:48] you, listeners of Eghtesad Radio and viewers of Khabar Network. Let me introduce
[00:07:52] the guests to you. Mr. Jan Mohammadi, head of the board of directors of the National CNG Association, is a guest
[00:07:55] of the Economy Desk, and also Mr. Rafiee, Director of Consumption Affairs of the National Iranian Oil Refining and
[00:07:59] Distribution Company. Mr. Nakhei, member of the Energy Commission of the Islamic Consultative Assembly, will also
[00:08:03] join the Economy Desk from South Khorasan studio,
[00:08:07] and we will talk, God willing. Greetings and strength to all the guests.
[00:08:10] Let me start and state the latest consumption statistics
[00:08:14] for the viewers, both about the production situation and the consumption situation.
[00:08:18] What is the overall situation of our alternative fuel?
[00:08:21] In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. I also extend my greetings
[00:08:25] to you, dear guest, and all our
[00:08:28] dear compatriots. I hope that
[00:08:32] all our compatriots are well,
[00:08:35] God willing. I must tell you that the reality
[00:08:39] after this third increase in the price of
[00:08:42] gasoline to 10,000 tomans, we witnessed
[00:08:45] the welcome of our dear compatriots to
[00:08:48] alternative fuel or the country's second fuel, which is
[00:08:52] CNG, and we had almost a close to
[00:08:55] 20% increase in CNG consumption
[00:08:58] month-on-month in October compared to
[00:09:01] August. That is, our consumption in August had almost reached
[00:09:05] 14.7 million cubic meters per day. This number
[00:09:09] in October was
[00:09:42] and it has decreased. Our gasoline consumption decreased from
[00:09:46] 144 million liters per day to
[00:09:50] 134 million liters per day, which means about 10
[00:09:53] million liters decrease in consumption after the price increase.
[00:09:57] Our gasoline consumption in the current month of October
[00:10:01] that we are in, compared to the same period last year,
[00:10:04] had a zero percent growth. This is a difference.
[00:10:08] This is while we are on average in.
[00:10:11] میانگین در.
[00:10:25] Last year, gasoline consumption did not increase,
[00:10:28] but CNG increased by about 20% as
[00:10:32] you mentioned. This, of course, is a
[00:10:35] temporary effect. Gasoline price increases
[00:10:38] always have a temporary effect like this
[00:10:42] for one or two months. However,
[00:10:45] due to the general inflation in the country,
[00:10:48] gasoline prices may
[00:10:51] gradually increase again. Consumption of gasoline,
[00:10:55] excuse me. We hope that with
[00:10:58] the cooperation of our dear people and with
[00:11:02] the development of alternative fuels, including CNG, LPG, and
[00:11:06] electric vehicles, as well as the development
[00:11:10] of public transportation, which is what the President
[00:11:13] has repeatedly emphasized to the respected governors
[00:11:17] and mayors: regarding the
[00:11:20] provision of intercity buses and
[00:11:24] public transport vehicles. And
[00:11:28] our dear people, even the President,
[00:11:31] as you know, started a "car-free day"
[00:11:34] per week from the executive bodies themselves.
[00:11:38] These are well-known campaigns around
[00:11:41] the world. That is, to improve
[00:11:44] air pollution and improve
[00:11:47] people's health, many countries have implemented
[00:11:51] "car-free day" or "green day" campaigns per week.
[00:11:55] We also hope that we can implement this. I mentioned
[00:11:59] the consumption growth was 20%, it's 12% exactly.
[00:12:02] Right? Look, our CNG consumption growth
[00:12:04] was almost month-on-month, as I said, October
[00:12:08] compared to August was 20%. This is while
[00:12:11] the overall consumption growth was about
[00:12:14] 11 to 12 percent.
[00:12:17] What? Yes, compared to the same period last
[00:12:21] year, it was actually 11-12%. Very well, thank you very much.
[00:12:25] For the introduction you gave, Mr. Jan Mohammadi, you tell us how much more capacity there is
[00:12:29] for us to go towards stations and
[00:12:32] towards CNG fuel. How many of all the stations we have in the country
[00:12:36] are active, how many are inactive? Greetings and respect
[00:12:40] to you, dear people of
[00:12:42] Iran, Mr. Dr. Rafiee, and Mr. Dr. Nakhei,
[00:12:46] who are with us. I would like to tell you that we have about
[00:12:49] 2256 active CNG stations
[00:12:53] throughout the country, whose nominal capacity
[00:12:57] of compressors is something between 35 to 40 million
[00:13:00] cubic meters, which is equivalent to
[00:13:03] the same amount of gasoline, meaning 35 to
[00:13:06] 40 million liters of gasoline. Currently,
[00:13:09] we are operating at approximately 40% of our capacity, and the events of the past month
[00:13:13] once again showed us that the second fuel, CNG fuel, has high capacities
[00:13:17] to alleviate imbalances and as
[00:13:20] a passive defense fuel that can help
[00:13:24] the country's fuel supply in times of crisis.
[00:13:27] How many stations have nozzle problems? Because
[00:13:31] sometimes people refer to them, and the messages that come to my colleagues are that, for example,
[00:13:35] at a station, it has three rows working, two rows are working.
[00:13:38] Some equipment seems to be old and has not been
[00:13:42] renovated, which makes the queues a bit longer.
[00:13:46] At that time, for example, in previous years, consumption was much higher. One of the
[00:13:49] complaints was that people were not very willing to go towards
[00:13:53] CNG because of long queues. What is
[00:13:55] the plan to solve this? Also, if there are any statistics
[00:13:58] on challenges and problems, please provide them. I would like to tell you that the age of our
[00:14:02] CNG stations is approximately between 15 and 25 years. It is very natural that
[00:14:06] after 15 to 25 years, a part of this capacity
[00:14:09] needs renovation and improvement. Unfortunately, at least in the
[00:14:13] past 10 years, the economics of the stations have not allowed the
[00:14:16] owners of the stations to take action to carry out
[00:14:20] their periodic repairs as best as possible. Even so,
[00:14:23] we annually receive standard certificates for all
[00:14:27] of our stations, 100% of our stations, from the National Standards Organization.
[00:14:31] In terms of safety, we do not have any problems in CNG stations. However, in
[00:14:34] some stations, some nozzles, due to economic problems,
[00:14:38] and because there was no capacity there, there were
[00:14:42] no high customers at that station, it was perhaps not deemed necessary to bring
[00:14:45] all this capacity into operation. But if we want to pay more attention to CNG,
[00:14:49] it is certainly one of the most basic things
[00:14:53] that we should bring all the capacity of 35 to
[00:14:55] 40 million cubic meters into operation by carrying out periodic repairs
[00:14:58] so that we do not have any problems in this regard.
[00:15:01] You mentioned that the nominal capacity is 42 million cubic
[00:15:05] meters per day. If we want to see the real value of this right now with the existing
[00:15:08] capacities, how much real capacity can we create? Currently, with
[00:15:12] the same station capacity, with the same economy, we can immediately reach
[00:15:16] 25 to 30. But if we can fix the issue of station economics,
[00:15:20] we can easily see the number 35 to 40. Well, that means with the same
[00:15:23] equipment that we currently have challenges with and have problems with and
[00:15:27] is old, we can cover up to 30-35. Thank you.
[00:15:31] Mr. Nakhei, please tell us what, in your opinion,
[00:15:34] based on the investigations you conducted in the commission,
[00:15:37] are the most important challenges? Of course, we have talked a lot about challenges in various programs,
[00:15:41] but please tell us what you think are the most important obstacles
[00:15:45] to the development of CNG alternative fuel
[00:15:48] in cars. Where do you see the most important and first problem? Is it in
[00:15:51] cars, in government policies, or, as I said,
[00:15:55] in stations? Where do you think
[00:15:59] the most important and first problem is?
[00:16:01] Yes, in the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
[00:16:07] Greetings and respect to you, dear guests of the program,
[00:16:11] and the noble people of Iran.
[00:16:15] I thank you for your good program
[00:16:18] and for addressing this very important
[00:16:22] issue. Well, you see, as
[00:16:25] mentioned, diversifying the vehicle fuel basket
[00:16:29] alongside fleet renewal and the development of public transportation
[00:16:32] and also increasing the refinery production capacity
[00:16:35] are among the most important things
[00:16:39] that can be done to reduce the imbalance
[00:16:42] in gasoline. This means that we must
[00:16:46] reduce the weight of gasoline in the country's fuel basket,
[00:16:50] which has a very large weight,
[00:16:53] and gradually increase other carriers.
[00:16:56] There are also very good legal capacities.
[00:17:00] After all, we have Article
[00:17:03] 46 of the 7th Development
[00:17:07] Plan, we have the Law on Organizing
[00:17:10] the Automobile Industry, and in the annual budgets,
[00:17:13] in different years, there have been references
[00:17:17] to this issue. In addition to that, as a financial
[00:17:20] tool, we have Article 12 and also the discussion of
[00:17:24] the optimization account. I want to say that good provisions have been
[00:17:28] made in the laws regarding diversifying
[00:17:32] the fuel basket, but
[00:17:35] unfortunately, for the very reasons that you also mentioned at the beginning
[00:17:38] of your speech, that there was not much
[00:17:42] motivation to use CNG, despite the fact that
[00:17:46] very good infrastructure was created in the country
[00:17:50] at one point. 2500 CNG stations
[00:17:54] is not a small number, and a significant number
[00:17:58] of vehicles that were dual-fuel,
[00:18:01] created a very good capacity for the development of
[00:18:05] CNG in the country. However,
[00:18:08] unfortunately, over time, due to the incorrect
[00:18:11] policies that were sometimes applied,
[00:18:15] this trend did not continue, and
[00:18:18] even those vehicles that were dual-fuel and
[00:18:21] had the possibility of using CNG, unfortunately, gradually decreased,
[00:18:25] as mentioned, from almost
[00:18:29] 40 million cubic meters of CNG capacity,
[00:18:33] which is a very significant capacity in the country.
[00:18:36] Now, with these policies of the past month or two, it has increased a little,
[00:18:40] and we have just reached around 17 million,
[00:18:44] which is a very significant difference,
[00:18:47] and this naturally needs to be compensated.
[00:18:50] Unfortunately, in some
[00:18:54] organizations and executive bodies, we are witnessing
[00:18:57] some disagreements. In many places,
[00:19:01] addressing the issue of CNG
[00:19:03] is still not considered a matter of saving.
[00:19:07] That is, they are not willing to issue a saving certificate
[00:19:11] so that, for example, if someone's CNG tank
[00:19:14] has expired, they have to replace the tank.
[00:19:18] It also has a high cost. They should be able to replace
[00:19:22] this tank, for example, and get
[00:19:25] a saving certificate, or,
[00:19:28] as I said, the development of CNG stations
[00:19:31] itself, which is an important issue. Look, it's true
[00:19:35] that we have a significant number of CNG stations in the country, but
[00:19:39] really, in some places, in some areas of the country,
[00:19:42] there is a need for CNG stations to be developed.
[00:19:46] For example, in large provinces like Sistan and Baluchestan,
[00:19:50] like our own province of South Khorasan, we still have
[00:19:53] cities that do not even have a single CNG station.
[00:19:57] Areas where the first CNG station might be 200 kilometers, 150
[00:20:01] kilometers away. There is a need for these stations to be developed.
[00:20:05] The same capacity of Article 12 that existed
[00:20:08] and at the beginning of the work,
[00:20:12] the capacity of these legal provisions
[00:20:14] was used, and CNG stations were developed.
[00:20:18] Equipment was provided to investors free
[00:20:21] of charge. Well, these
[00:20:24] must be used. There have also been approvals
[00:20:27] in the government. I am aware that in the Economic Council,
[00:20:31] approvals have been made for this purpose, but
[00:20:35] unfortunately, in implementation,
[00:20:37] often due to disagreements that have arisen,
[00:20:41] these have not been allowed to develop. Or the issue of CNG economics
[00:20:45] that the dear guest of the program mentioned,
[00:20:48] the issue of station economics is a very
[00:20:52] important issue. Look, now station owners,
[00:20:55] compared to product station owners,
[00:20:59] not that it is very good there either, but compared to them, they are really
[00:21:03] very discouraged. The government must regulate
[00:21:06] the economics of the stations. This commission
[00:21:10] they receive, the fee they receive, the services
[00:21:13] they should receive, these must be reformed so that
[00:21:17] in any case, the station operation has a good
[00:21:21] economic justification. On the other hand,
[00:21:24] the development of dual-fuel cars. Look,
[00:21:28] the share of our dual-fuel cars in the country is something
[00:21:31] like 15%. This, compared to the number of cars
[00:21:35] we have in the country, if we want to compare it with countries that
[00:21:39] have addressed other fuels and have actually succeeded
[00:21:42] in reducing the share of gasoline,
[00:21:46] the number is not good. This should really
[00:21:49] increase. The emphasized
[00:21:51] program that we made in
[00:21:55] Article 46
[00:21:56] I
[00:22:01] yes, yes, I'm here. Thank you, Mr. Rafiee. Let's start with the last point Mr. Nakhei
[00:22:04] mentioned, the economics of the station, and then we'll discuss the cars.
[00:22:08] Why is their dual-fuel conversion happening with such a delay?
[00:22:11] Is anything going to be done about this, or does the government
[00:22:15] have a plan, or is the current path the right one, and
[00:22:18] you don't really see these points raised about commissions
[00:22:22] and such things? Look, the economics of the stations
[00:22:26] right now in the CNG industry, the biggest problem we
[00:22:29] have is not the issue of station economics, it's the issue of
[00:22:33] the economics of using CNG for people
[00:22:37] compared to gasoline. This is point one. Regarding stations,
[00:22:40] first of all, the commission for stations
[00:22:44] has honestly been increased every year by the government.
[00:22:48] It's true that the friends had some demands, but
[00:22:50] this increase has happened, and now the reality is that
[00:22:54] the government is not only not making a profit on every
[00:22:57] cubic meter of CNG that goes into the tank of cars,
[00:23:00] especially cars, but it is also spending almost
[00:23:04] twice as much on it.
[00:23:07] That is, almost the average price of each cubic
[00:23:10] meter, or let's say kilogram, of CNG that is used
[00:23:14] in a car tank, I think it's about
[00:23:17] 1400 Tomans, Mr. Jan Mohammadi.
[00:23:58] Friends of the complex, in fact, the professional
[00:24:02] association of CNG converters and these conversion companies and
[00:24:06] conversion workshops have been converting
[00:24:09] cars for free for the past year.
[00:24:12] The financing for this was mainly provided by these
[00:24:16] supply chain companies. It was supposed
[00:24:20] that the government would cover this free conversion.
[00:24:24] This has been delayed for almost a year now.
[00:24:27] We have done the work, and thank God, I guess
[00:24:31] by the end of October, these claims, how much are they?
[00:24:35] The total amount of the claim is approximately 3.2
[00:24:37] thousand billion tomans of our collected
[00:24:41] and definitive claims. Of course, there have been other
[00:24:44] claims after that, but they have not yet been finalized.
[00:24:48] The thousand billion tomans is something
[00:24:51] that we will pay to our friends from last year
[00:24:55] until now, God willing, by the end of October. God willing.
[00:24:59] Do you have any points on this topic? I would like to explain briefly
[00:25:02] about the economics of stations. The government earns about
[00:25:06] 30 cents from gasoline savings in this category.
[00:25:10] For station commissions, we should consider the CNG
[00:25:13] price to the consumer as one category, and station commissions
[00:25:17] as a separate category. Currently,
[00:25:20] we are almost at the end of the seventh month of the year.
[00:25:24] Yesterday, the honorable Council of Ministers approved the CNG station commission for the year
[00:25:28] 1405. Well, this amount was 8,000
[00:25:31] billion tomans, which will probably be paid in the next month or two.
[00:25:35] If this amount had been spent at the stations in March
[00:25:39] or April, what would have been the trend of the economy
[00:25:43] and modernization of the stations? This means that if we pay the station commission
[00:25:46] in December or January, it will certainly
[00:25:50] have a negative impact on the performance of the stations. Certainly, the government has made efforts in this regard,
[00:25:54] but the efforts have not been such as to make the economics
[00:25:58] of the stations and the willingness of the station owners such that, in addition
[00:26:01] to the consumer, it helps the continuation of their activities.
[00:26:05] Certainly, yes, for the consumer, but we must see this financial attractiveness for
[00:26:09] the consumer who uses alternative CNG fuel.
[00:26:12] But if we want to separate this station chain
[00:26:16] from this chain and only go towards the consumer,
[00:26:19] we will certainly have problems in the area of stations.
[00:26:23] Mr. Rafiee, another point is raised, especially regarding the amount
[00:26:27] of thousands of billions of tomans that needs to be provided. One is that we are now seeing
[00:26:30] that consumption has increased in the past two months. There is a slight disagreement about its provision. You said
[00:26:34] by the end of October. Where does this come from? Is it from optimization? Do you get it from the budget program?
[00:26:38] From your own resources? What about the oil sector? How is it?
[00:26:41] Look, this is actually part of the resources and
[00:26:45] derived plans from Article 12 of the Law on Removing
[00:26:49] Production Obstacles, which stipulated that if an investor or contractor
[00:26:52] implements a project that leads to energy
[00:26:56] consumption savings, for example, replacing a high-consumption
[00:27:00] lamp with a low-consumption one, the government
[00:27:03] has not spent money on this. A private sector investor has come and replaced
[00:27:07] the street lights. From the electricity savings created,
[00:27:11] we can return the investment to that investor.
[00:27:14] Here too, in CNG, some contracting companies
[00:27:18] have come and converted cars
[00:27:21] to dual-fuel. They have covered the cost.
[00:27:24] This has led to a reduction in gasoline consumption
[00:27:28] and has generated revenue in total
[00:27:31] from not importing gasoline or, in years when we had exports,
[00:27:34] from exporting gasoline for the country.
[00:27:38] From those savings, in fact, a return occurs,
[00:27:41] and through the issuance of energy saving certificates,
[00:27:45] which are now actually issued by the honorable
[00:27:48] Optimization Organization, the return on investment
[00:27:51] occurs. Ultimately, as the National Iranian Oil Refining and
[00:27:55] Distribution Company, we will issue
[00:27:57] the certificates of saved energy on the energy exchange
[00:28:01] at the export rate.
[00:28:05] We know that those who actually buy these certificates, or
[00:28:09] buy that export gasoline and diesel, their money goes
[00:28:12] to CNG contractors and they export that product.
[00:28:16] This is actually the model. Why hasn't this financial
[00:28:19] model been implemented now? Because you have savings. For example, 20%
[00:28:23] has been saved. If we only want to focus on that,
[00:28:27] 20% savings. Certificates of savings should be issued
[00:28:31] and sold on the stock exchange. And the debt should be settled, right? Of course,
[00:28:35] according to the law, it was not that much savings. According to the law, it was
[00:28:38] the cost of each car. For example, they
[00:28:42] said that each passenger car costs about $500,
[00:28:46] and a pickup truck costs $5500
[00:28:49] to convert. This conversion
[00:28:52] was done by authorized workshops.
[00:28:56] Now we will pay this from the
[00:28:59] proceeds of the savings
[00:29:02] to the esteemed contractors. Thank you, Mr. Nakhaei.
[00:29:06] Please give your opinion on this financial model that exists.
[00:29:09] On paper, everything seems correct, but in
[00:29:12] practice, it seems that things get a little complicated.
[00:29:16] In practice, sir, excuse me, last
[00:29:19] year we had three phases of issuing
[00:29:22] energy saving certificates for our
[00:29:26] CNG colleagues. If I remember
[00:29:28] correctly, in Bahman and Esfand of 140.
[00:30:01] Azar.
[00:30:04] That was also close to 300 billion
[00:30:08] tomans. Three phases of payment of debts to CNG
[00:30:12] contractors have been made in the 14th government. We will issue the fourth phase, God willing,
[00:30:15] next week by the end of Mehr. The debts will
[00:30:19] almost be fully settled. The problem
[00:30:23] arises from where, that is, from the gap from Azar to the end
[00:30:25] of 14, that is, from month 9 to 12 and from month 1
[00:30:29] to the end of month 7, this gap had multiple reasons,
[00:30:33] including the outbreak of the imposed war and
[00:30:37] in other words, damage to some phases of South Pars, which led to us
[00:30:41] no longer having surplus gas to issue gas
[00:30:44] saving certificates on the energy exchange. That's why
[00:30:48] the National Iranian Oil Refining and Distribution Company
[00:30:51] went and accepted gas oil bonds
[00:30:54] on the energy exchange, and now for the first time in the country, we want
[00:30:58] to issue certificates next week.