IRINN — broadcast 20261102 090000 UTC 437 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] We massacred the people of Iran. They are aware of this event [00:00:03] and these issues have angered them severely. [00:00:07] In my opinion, before the war began, there were still concerns among [00:00:11] the people of Iran. Economic dissatisfaction also [00:00:14] certainly existed. People were asking what happened to the economy and [00:00:18] came to the streets to protest. The Iranian government said, "We hear your voice," [00:00:22] but the CIA and Mossad tried to use these [00:00:25] protests to achieve other goals. Before the [00:00:29] war, there was opposition from the people to the government, but [00:00:32] America and Israel started a war against Iran. They assassinated Ayatollah [00:00:36] Khamenei, attacked Minab school, [00:00:40] and killed people. How did the people of Iran react? They come to the streets every [00:00:44] night and stand together in unity and say, "We are Iran. There is no separation [00:00:48] between us and the government. Any differences we had before [00:00:52] are no longer relevant today. We are united [00:00:55] to defend Iran, to defend our [00:00:58] country, our faith, our constitution, [00:01:01] our rights, and our humanity." This is the best model they can [00:01:05] display, and the beauty of this movement is that there is no violence [00:01:09] in it. Another positive point is that [00:01:12] as an American, I believe that if I go to these [00:01:16] gatherings, the people of Iran will not kill me. They will [00:01:20] tell me, "Come here, stand, listen, and learn." Yes, they might chant [00:01:23] "Death to America." But I think everyone knows that this [00:01:27] slogan has a political meaning. It should not be interpreted [00:01:30] literally. This slogan expresses Iran's anger at those who [00:01:34] hate Iran. They try to harm its people and intend [00:01:38] to kill them. If I, as an American, were in Tehran [00:01:42] and heard people chanting "Death to America," [00:01:45] I would not run away. The people's message is that they don't want anyone to harm [00:01:49] Iran and isolating them. They want to live in peace. I was in Iran in [00:01:53] 2005. Iran is a beautiful country and its people [00:01:56] are also beautiful and lovely. It was truly an amazing experience. [00:02:01] If more Americans could travel to Iran, see Iran up [00:02:04] close, and understand the realities, we would not support such a war. [00:02:08] But unfortunately, Americans today do not have a correct [00:02:12] understanding of the reality of Iran. We see images that opponents [00:02:15] of Iran provide us. [00:02:17] The [00:02:23] International Resistance Film [00:02:25] Festival. [00:02:28] In the name of God, hello. We are at Mellat Cinema Campus, [00:02:32] the home of the 19th International Resistance [00:02:36] Film Festival. From today, we are at your service with a series of [00:02:39] conversations with cinema people regarding this [00:02:43] festival and about the fundamental concept of resistance. [00:02:47] Hello, Dr. Ghaffari, peace be upon you. I am at your service. [00:02:50] We hope you are well. We have reached the 19th [00:02:53] period of the festival, Mr. Ghaffari, a period that has come after two [00:02:57] imposed wars, the 12-day war and the 40-day war. [00:03:00] Please talk about this meaning. How much was the [00:03:04] festival affected by this event? [00:03:07] In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. [00:03:10] Thank you and your colleagues for [00:03:13] being present at the festival, and [00:03:16] hopefully, this program can reflect the clear voice of resistance, [00:03:20] especially in these special [00:03:23] circumstances. You see, the Resistance Film Festival was created in the heart of war. [00:03:27] It is the legacy of the first Sacred Defense. In the [00:03:31] 8-year war, with the capacity building that our artists created [00:03:34] in the Sacred Defense cinema, it prompted some [00:03:38] concerned individuals to, I might say, hold [00:03:41] the first national Iranian festival under the name of the Sacred Defense Cinema [00:03:45] Festival. Therefore, [00:03:47] it can be said that the Resistance Film Festival, [00:03:51] with the antiquity of the Sacred Defense Film Festival, was created [00:03:54] in the heart of war and is actually [00:03:58] a child of war. [00:04:00] Exactly in the 19th period, a special [00:04:04] maturity is achieved for it. I believe that [00:04:07] the Resistance Film Festival is undergoing its most [00:04:11] mature manifestation in its 19th period, because it was [00:04:14] born of war, born of the Sacred Defense, [00:04:17] and now it is experiencing this maturity in the second and third Sacred Defense. [00:04:20] What do you see as the maturity of 19 years? [00:04:23] Has our filmmaker reached that maturity to talk about this [00:04:27] important concept? Resistance? [00:04:30] The presence of people in the fields for more than eight months [00:04:34] has made the Resistance Festival a kind of [00:04:37] support for itself. Perhaps in none of the previous [00:04:41] 19 periods that the festival has been held, [00:04:44] the connections between the concept of Sacred Defense film and Resistance [00:04:48] film have been established. The discursive signifier [00:04:51] has never been this strong and intense [00:04:54] with the nation, and with the people. [00:04:58] And I am happy that the festival headquarters is [00:05:01] at Mellat Campus. My understanding of this word is that in this period, [00:05:05] three words have been connected to each other: cinema, [00:05:09] resistance, nation, [00:05:12] and the discursive transformation of resistance. Today, [00:05:16] a new phenomenon in the world of politics [00:05:20] and social resistance has emerged under the name of the nation, [00:05:23] the resurrected nation, whose example we do not have in history, [00:05:27] and it has become well-known, and you can see that the international [00:05:30] media and world public opinion have paid a lot of attention to it. [00:05:34] You pointed out a very important point in the international [00:05:37] arena of people's resistance during these eight months in the streets and squares. [00:05:41] It has come to the attention of the whole world, a powerful [00:05:45] and direct model for all those whose issue is [00:05:49] fighting oppression and, of course, resistance, especially [00:05:52] countries that have usually been under oppression. Now, if we want to reflect [00:05:56] this in a festival like the Resistance Festival, how can [00:05:59] we? I think this 19th period has very special dimensions and pillars. [00:06:03] It's all amazing, not in terms of the festival, but in terms of the [00:06:07] emergence of a new meaning in the field of film, art, and cinema. [00:06:11] Now, I will talk about the reception [00:06:19] of works and so on. A global manifestation of the story [00:06:23] of the oppression of Gaza, [00:06:25] and this reception from over 100 countries to register [00:06:29] their works in the festival, for their works [00:06:32] to be present. The conceptual and [00:06:35] discursive core of it is the oppression of the oppressed people [00:06:37] of Palestine. And well, this has actually become [00:06:41] a global trend today. After, as they say, the October [00:06:45] week, after Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and, in any case, the crimes [00:06:49] committed by the regime in Palestine, today a global genre [00:06:52] called Gaza Cinema, Palestine Cinema [00:06:55] has emerged, which we extensively covered in the 18th [00:06:59] festival. But in the recent [00:07:02] period, the attention we have paid to establish [00:07:06] the relationship between cinema and the people, and the field, and the resurrected nation, [00:07:09] is the screenings that we hope to have [00:07:13] in the fields. The cultural centers of Tehran province [00:07:17] have done a good job in this regard, and the screenings have taken place [00:07:20] for the audience with the capacities that were available at the cultural centers. [00:07:24] And also the squares of Tehran city, which [00:07:27] have especially paid attention [00:07:30] to the issue of screening resistance films, which are actually [00:07:34] a representation of this resurrected nation, this resistant [00:07:37] nation. You see, resistance cinema can only claim [00:07:41] to fulfill its mission if the image that exists [00:07:44] outside and in the field has been seen in cinema. [00:07:48] The fact that we should assign a special share for people [00:07:51] in festivals comes especially from a festival like the Resistance [00:07:55] Festival, stemming from the very presence of people and the [00:07:58] resurrection that people themselves have shown in the streets, because the emphasis of the [00:08:02] festival, especially in the 19th period, is the issue of the people. [00:08:05] The support it has defined for itself is the people. Your statement [00:08:09] is correct. That is, indeed, [00:08:13] we must make films for the people, and the [00:08:17] people in the field are showing their identity. When [00:08:20] does a gap appear between people and cinema? When cinema [00:08:24] blackens the image of these same people, the people are alienated from [00:08:28] this cinema because it does not tell their true [00:08:31] story. Therefore, the most important connection is this. [00:08:35] I am truly saying that no one in the world [00:08:38] can claim to be a film connoisseur or cinema connoisseur and not say [00:08:41] that people [00:08:51] feel they see themselves. I think the reception [00:08:55] that has started from the 18th period for watching films [00:08:58] is due to the trust that has been built between resistance [00:09:02] cinema and the people. Fortunately, regarding your statement about the issue [00:09:05] of people, a very important point exists, which is whether [00:09:09] it is merely displaying works [00:09:12] at the Resistance Festival that is the issue, or given [00:09:16] that there is also a growth and educational perspective, especially [00:09:19] for the young generation who are interested in filmmaking, which is probably happening at the festival. [00:09:23] This determines a part of the people's share in the festival. [00:09:27] Do you have a plan for such an issue? A successful festival [00:09:30] asserts its success, in my opinion, [00:09:33] and gains acceptance when it can successfully [00:09:37] educate the generation, the generation of filmmakers, [00:09:40] young people who come [00:09:44] and actually learn the narrative and the method [00:09:48] of work from their predecessors and can make films for the second 40 years [00:09:51] of the Islamic Revolution and the events and incidents they live through. [00:09:55] This is evident, thank God, in this 18 [00:09:59] plus one period, which is the 19th period of the Resistance Film Festival. [00:10:02] 19 is the number of this period. 19 special classes [00:10:05] with prominent professors of the country, [00:10:09] whose names are available, [00:10:12] are being held. The difference is this: [00:10:16] the effort is not to establish a technical relationship [00:10:19] with cinema. We are not just technique. As my [00:10:22] good teacher, Mr. D. [00:10:44] How much does the festival take responsibility [00:10:47] for educating the generation for this war of narratives? [00:10:50] The event that happened in this period for the young generation [00:10:54] is that they have, in any case, experienced their own Sacred Defense. [00:10:58] Perhaps until a year ago, if we talked to the young generation, we would always talk [00:11:01] about the achievements of the first Sacred Defense. [00:11:05] But with, as [00:11:08] the Supreme Leader of the Revolution, [00:11:11] His Holiness Mojtaba Khamenei, [00:11:14] said in his message on the anniversary of the Sacred Defense, [00:11:18] he said that the phoenix risen from war and [00:11:22] the pressure of the first imposed war and the pressures in the second [00:11:25] and third imposed wars that these young people actually [00:11:29] experienced, this phoenix risen from the fire [00:11:32] of war has created a shadow [00:11:35] of fear over enemy countries, and our [00:11:39] youth fully feel and understand this. And I saw an [00:11:43] interesting expression today while browsing social media. [00:11:47] Someone, I think, had a good taste. He said that in a situation where [00:11:51] the country is in a "neither war nor peace" situation, we might enter war [00:11:55] at any moment, but we are continuing to live. All [00:11:58] international festivals in the Persian Gulf countries, [00:12:01] the little ones, all of them are canceled, [00:12:04] but we have two or three important festivals during these [00:12:08] days that are being held in the country with enthusiasm and vitality, [00:12:12] with reception. This "courageous" (jigar) as he put it, [00:12:15] courageous festivals and the phoenix [00:12:18] risen from war, which is the slogan of the festival, how much has it materialized [00:12:21] in the festival this year? Please [00:12:24] tell us about the works, the quality of the festival's organization, [00:12:27] and the presence and interest [00:12:30] of filmmakers in [00:12:33] actually addressing the concept of resistance at the festival. Well, this [00:12:37] expression of our dear [00:12:39] Leader became the idea for the poster of the [00:12:43] Resistance Film Festival, and the poster of the Resistance Film Festival [00:12:46] somehow evokes this risen phoenix. [00:12:50] The phoenix is also a symbol of immortality. [00:12:53] And our dear country, [00:12:55] except for, well, as I said, 100 or 200 years during [00:12:58] the Pahlavi and Qajar periods, which suffered [00:13:01] a setback and was actually in a dead end, [00:13:04] has always been at its peak and phoenix-like, and this [00:13:08] historical perspective, I once mentioned regarding resistance. When [00:13:11] we talk about resistance, we are not just talking about [00:13:15] these 40 years after the revolution. We are talking about 500 years of [00:13:19] resistance history in Iran and in the Persian [00:13:23] Gulf. [00:13:25] We talk about Ra'is-Ali Delvari. We talk about Mirza Kuchak Khan Jangali. [00:13:29] We talk about many of our legends [00:13:32] who for many years preserved the borders and integrity of this country [00:13:35] against foreigners, and this should appear [00:13:39] and manifest in its soft layers [00:13:42] in cinema, and we should have that human aspect of [00:13:45] resistance. We should see the aesthetics of [00:13:49] resistance, the aesthetic element of resistance that [00:13:52] is positive, not negative. Yes. It has history, [00:13:56] it has continuity, it has philosophy, [00:13:59] it has mysticism, it has created humanity. [00:14:03] I think this is the issue of resistance cinema, and I think [00:14:07] we see its manifestation in international works, [00:14:10] and its manifestation has meaning. I definitely invite [00:14:13] dear ones to come. The international section has good screenings. [00:14:17] God willing, with the presence of dear ones from those countries [00:14:21] in Iran, their films will be screened, and their ambassadors will be invited, [00:14:24] God willing. And I think we are witnessing good things [00:14:28] in this period of the festival, God willing. Thank you very [00:14:31] much for your good health. Thank you. We spoke with Dr. Jalal [00:14:34] Ghaffari, Secretary of the 19th International Resistance [00:14:38] Film Festival. We will be with you, [00:14:41] God willing, in the coming days. [00:14:44] Goodbye. International Resistance Film [00:14:48] Festival. [00:15:26] In the name of God, hello and good time to you, dear and esteemed [00:15:30] viewers. Welcome to the sports news. Iranian athletes [00:15:34] in the second day of the Dakar Youth Olympics [00:15:38] will compete in Wushu, Badminton, Tennis, Judo, and Beach [00:15:41] Volleyball against their opponents. [00:15:44] Yesterday, Parsa Shahshahani won the first [00:15:48] medal for Iran in these competitions. [00:15:50] The first light of the Shahid Makan Nasiri caravan was lit by the national swimmer. [00:15:54] Parsa Shahshahani, in the 20-meter backstroke, [00:15:58] with a time of 2 minutes, 2 seconds, and 74 hundredths [00:16:01] of a second, was able to win the [00:16:05] silver medal at the Youth [00:16:07] Olympics in competition with his opponents. I tried very hard for [00:16:11] gold. I'm ashamed of my people that it wasn't gold. [00:16:14] God willing, I can make up for it in the Olympics, [00:16:17] and [00:16:19] this is just the beginning. I hope I can win more [00:16:23] and brighter medals later. In table tennis, Benjamin [00:16:27] Faraji, who had defeated his Egyptian opponent 3-0 in his first [00:16:30] match, also defeated the Thai athlete [00:16:34] 3-0 in his second match. It was a tough opponent. [00:16:38] Considering that, I think, about a month ago, he was ranked [00:16:41] eighth in the world. [00:16:44] But in girls' futsal, we were able to [00:16:47] defeat Costa Rica 3-0 in their first [00:16:51] match. We tried our best [00:16:54] to make sure only the winning team came. In [00:16:57] Wushu and barehand form, our athlete was able [00:17:01] to place fifth among 12 people, and on Monday, [00:17:04] he will compete against his rivals to reach [00:17:08] the top. Of course, in armed form, [00:17:11] is your specialty with arms or without? No, my specialty is this form. [00:17:15] My Guvin form is also good. I can be better [00:17:18] in it. Our badminton players, Amirali Ahmadlou and Zahra Robati, [00:17:22] also defeated their opponents and are ready to [00:17:25] face their next opponents. But in beach volleyball, [00:17:29] despite our guys losing against Austria, because of the two wins [00:17:32] they achieved on Saturday, they reached the knockout [00:17:36] stage. The Shahid Makan Nasiri caravan from Iran [00:17:39] with 29 athletes in 14 sports [00:17:43] has been dispatched to Dakar, Senegal. Babak Kazemi, [00:17:47] correspondent of IRIB News Agency, Dakar, [00:17:50] Senegal. [00:17:52] The competition of Iranian representatives with cold steel begins. Two Iranian [00:17:55] weightlifters will compete today in the World Championships. [00:17:59] In continuation of these competitions, which are being held in Ningbo, [00:18:03] China, today in group A of the 85 kg category, Mir-Mostafa [00:18:06] Javadi and Abdollah Beiranvand [00:18:09] will compete against their opponents from 2:30 PM. [00:18:13] Reihaneh Karimi, Hamid Reza [00:18:16] Zareei, Alipour, Alireza Moeini, Alireza [00:18:20] Nasiri, Ali Davoodi, and Alireza Yousefi [00:18:23] are other representatives of our country in these competitions [00:18:26] who will face their international opponents in the coming [00:18:30] days. The end of Iranian karatekas' [00:18:33] participation in the Russian Grand Prix competitions with 12 medals. [00:18:38] In these competitions, which were held in Moscow, Fatemeh Zahra [00:18:41] Saeidabadi won the gold medal in kumite. [00:18:44] Athena Mahboub, Morteza Nemati, and Mahmoud [00:18:47] Nemati won the silver medal, and Ali Asghar [00:18:51] Asiabari, Mehdi Ashouri, Fatemeh Sadeghi, [00:18:54] Melika Ezzati, Masoumeh Mohsenian, Yalda Naghib [00:18:58] Iran, and Mobina Heidari won the bronze medal. [00:19:01] Also, Ali Zand won the [00:19:05] silver medal in individual kata. He became [00:19:13] a champion. News from the Asian Champions League football. Tractor seeks its first victory in the fourth week of the group stage of these competitions [00:19:17] tonight at 7:30 PM. Tractor Iran will host [00:19:20] Neftchi Uzbekistan in Muscat, Oman. Tractor, which has [00:19:23] one draw and two losses from its previous three games, [00:19:27] is looking for its first win in these [00:19:30] competitions tonight. The goalkeeper, bad luck [00:19:34] for Tractor, and now overcoming that bad luck. [00:19:44] We hope to succeed, but the situation that [00:19:47] has arisen for our team is not ideal at all, [00:19:51] unfortunately, and there is no cooperation with [00:19:54] our team, and for this reason, [00:19:57] our team is going through a very difficult [00:20:00] situation. Also, Esteghlal, [00:20:04] another representative of our country in the Champions League, arrived [00:20:08] in Basra, Iraq, last night for their match against Al Shamal [00:20:11] Qatar. Sohrab Bakhtiari's players will host [00:20:15] Al Shamal tomorrow night at [00:20:18] 7:30 PM. Let's go to Spanish La Liga football. Real reduced its gap [00:20:22] with the top of the table by winning its ninth game. [00:20:25] In the continuation of the eleventh week of these competitions, Real [00:20:28] Madrid defeated its host, Racing Santander, 3-0 last night [00:20:32] and recorded its ninth win of the season. The goals [00:20:36] of the Galacticos in this game [00:20:59] In other games, Sociedad lost 2-1 to Bilbao, [00:21:03] Sevilla lost 3-1 to its host Getafe, [00:21:06] and Valencia defeated its host Elche 1-0. [00:21:10] In the last game of the week tonight, Deportivo La Coruña [00:21:13] will host [00:21:14] Osasuna. [00:21:24] Verstappen won the Mexican Formula 1. [00:21:28] He celebrated his season championship. The [00:21:31] 18th round of the Formula 1 World Championship was held last night [00:21:34] at the Hermanos Rodriguez track in Mexico [00:21:38] City, and after 71 laps of competition, [00:21:41] Dutch driver Max Verstappen from Red Bull, with a time of [00:21:45] two hours, 20 minutes, 28 seconds, and [00:21:48] 772 thousandths. [00:22:33] continues his training in Tehran. The training camp of the national table tennis team for [00:22:37] veterans and disabled athletes is ongoing with the aim [00:22:41] of a strong presence in the Asian and Oceanian [00:22:45] competitions. We have three children with Down syndrome and four [00:22:49] with intellectual disabilities. [00:23:50] If you consider it, both in singles, doubles, and [00:23:53] mixed, over 100 medals are awarded in the Paralympics. [00:23:56] The first stage of the table tennis team's training camps for [00:24:00] veterans and disabled athletes for the Asian and Oceanian competitions will continue [00:24:04] until November 6th, and the second stage will begin [00:24:07] on November 22nd. Seyyed Mehdi Pourhini, IRIB News Agency. [00:24:11] In [00:24:13] continuation, a review of a few other news [00:24:15] in the continuation of the eighth week of the first division football league. [00:24:26] Rafsanjan will play against Pars Jonoubi Jam, Naft and Gas Gachsaran against Mes Kerman, [00:24:30] Palayesh Naft Bandar-Abbas against Foolad Novin [00:24:33] Khuzestan, and Shahin Bandar Ameri against Jazireh Qeshm. [00:24:36] The matches will start. [00:24:37] The Iranian [00:24:42] youth football team drew 1-1 against [00:24:46] the Thai youth team in their first friendly match in Thailand. [00:24:50] Hamid [00:24:56] Alidoosti, former Iranian national football player, passed away [00:25:00] at the age of 71 after a period of battling illness. [00:25:03] Alidoosti had 15 national team appearances [00:25:07] and played for Homa, Darayi, Keshavarz, Saipa, and [00:25:10] Salmrohr of Germany in his career. [00:25:13] The [00:25:17] Iranian national handball team ended its training camp in [00:25:21] Turkey with two wins and one loss, [00:25:24] by winning its third [00:25:26] friendly match. [00:25:31] And in the third week of the Women's Futsal Premier League, Palayesh Naft Abadan, [00:25:35] Golbarg Takestan, Sepahan Isfahan, National [00:25:38] Haft Tepe Ahvaz, and Foolad Hormozgan defeated [00:25:42] their opponents. [00:25:43] And [00:25:47] two more news from tennis. In the final match. [00:26:01] he won and [00:26:32] claimed the championship title for himself. Vachiro, after [00:26:36] losing the first set 6-2 to his opponent, won the next two [00:26:39] sets with the same score of 6-3 [00:26:43] and won the competition. [00:26:44] Thank [00:26:47] you for your attention to the sports news. [00:27:19] Merely acknowledging Iran's role, merely going to Iran, [00:27:22] merely announcing this direction [00:27:25] for security partnership with Iran to discuss pending [00:27:29] issues in the region with Iran is first [00:27:32] and foremost an acknowledgment of the advancement of Iran's role, an acknowledgment [00:27:36] of Iran's important role now and in the future, [00:27:40] an acknowledgment of Iran's victory in this war, because the war was [00:27:43] aimed at changing the regime in Iran, at destabilizing [00:27:47] Iran, at eliminating Iran's role, at besieging [00:27:51] Iran. All of this is now coming to an end [00:27:55] with this meeting. This is a big indicator. If Iran had been defeated [00:27:58] and had been, meaning, crushed, [00:28:02] as the Israelis said, then Iran's role [00:28:04] would have been eliminated and the matter [00:28:07] would have ended there. But Iran's success in proving [00:28:10] its capabilities was by controlling the Strait of Hormuz, [00:28:13] by having cards of power, by an important mission, [00:28:17] by achieving, meaning, painful strikes [00:28:20] against the Americans, forcing the Americans to retreat [00:28:23] and withdraw their forces from military bases, [00:28:27] closing the Strait of Hormuz. No American ship has passed through the Strait of Hormuz, [00:28:30] no warship, not even [00:28:33] American ships have not passed through the Strait of Hormuz, neither [00:28:36] towards the Fifth Fleet command in Bahrain nor exiting nor [00:28:39] entering. And this is clear. [00:28:42] So this level that the Iranian [00:28:46] forces have demonstrated has changed [00:28:49] the equation. So we are facing a very important transformation. [00:28:52] This meeting is very important and will change the map [00:28:55] of alliances in the Middle East, the map of influence in the Middle [00:28:59] East for decades to come. It will change. [00:30:23] Good time to you, dear viewers. Welcome to this news section. The head of the judiciary [00:30:27] warned that those who abuse the market turmoil [00:30:30] will be dealt with without compromise. [00:30:34] The Supreme Judicial Council said that the judiciary will differentiate in dealing [00:30:38] with economic activists who have faced problems due to [00:30:41] enemy sanctions or conditions imposed on the country. [00:30:43] If someone has a [00:30:46] product and doesn't offer it, if there are people who offer [00:30:50] low-quality goods, for example, suppose someone gives [00:30:53] bad quality goods to people, the judiciary must deal with them quickly, [00:30:56] preventively, and decisively. On the other hand, if really