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[00:00:16] hello and good morning, it's eight o'clock now, we have a news
[00:00:18] update, this morning it was cleared for publication that two
[00:00:21] IDF soldiers from the paratrooper brigade, 55, Major
[00:00:25] (res.) Harel Biran Stock, company commander.
[00:00:29] Harel, who was 34 years old from Nokdim
[00:00:32] and advanced staff sergeant (res.) Tamir Vaknin, 33 years old
[00:00:35] from Eilat. Notice was delivered to their families. May their memory be blessed.
[00:00:39] In that incident, four reserve soldiers were severely wounded.
[00:00:42] The incident occurred yesterday around 12 PM
[00:00:46] in the village of Machdal Zun, within the Israeli security
[00:00:50] strip. Reserve paratroopers were securing
[00:00:53] engineering works and entered a building that turned out
[00:00:56] to be booby-trapped and were injured by an
[00:01:00] explosion. The IDF says this is a violation of the ceasefire.
[00:01:04] The Lebanese Al-Mayadeen network, which is identified with Hezbollah, reported
[00:01:07] that Air Force fighter jets attacked tonight in the Tyre area in southern
[00:01:11] Lebanon. According to the report, three attacks were also carried out using
[00:01:14] drones, and rescue forces evacuated several
[00:01:18] wounded from the scene. It was also noted that the IDF fired artillery shells
[00:01:21] towards the Al-Hassaliter area in the south of the country. American
[00:01:24] and Israeli officials confirmed to CNN that negotiations
[00:01:28] between Israel and Lebanon are expected to resume
[00:01:32] today. A Lebanese source added that significant developments
[00:01:35] on the ground may prevent the return to negotiations.
[00:01:39] Now for the tensions in the Persian
[00:01:42] Gulf, US President Donald
[00:01:44] Trump reiterates that Iran must not have nuclear
[00:01:47] weapons, and yet he prefers to reach a deal with Tehran
[00:01:51] because he doesn't like to kill people, as he put it. Here are things that
[00:01:54] '. "I'd rather make
[00:01:58] deal because I
[00:02:02] don't want to kill people, I do not want to kill people, but at some
[00:02:05] point we're going to, we had, we were, we were set for the
[00:02:08] biggest attack of any
[00:02:12] attack, and we've hit them very hard for the last few months, but we were, we
[00:02:16] were all set for the biggest attack since World War II, and they
[00:02:19] called me, and they said, please don't do it, let's talk, and then they don't,
[00:02:23] they said, we never said that."
[00:02:27] Yes, so against the backdrop of the crisis in the Persian
[00:02:30] Gulf, talks between the United States and Iran continue. Nathan
[00:02:34] Gutman, our correspondent in the United States, with the report. The United States
[00:02:38] hopes to reach an agreement with Iran on opening the Strait of Hormuz as early as today or
[00:02:42] tomorrow. The talks in Oman are proceeding at a slower pace than expected
[00:02:46] in Washington. The waiting is for the Iranian side
[00:02:48] and the Supreme Leader to approve the understandings that have already been reached.
[00:02:51] Yesterday, a ship passing through the Strait of Hormuz reported hearing explosions, but
[00:02:55] beyond that, the relative calm in the Strait has been maintained for
[00:02:59] several days. President Trump said yesterday that he prefers to make a deal
[00:03:02] rather than return to war, because he doesn't want to kill
[00:03:06] people, according to him. Trump stated that he is still waiting to see what the outcome
[00:03:09] of the negotiations with the Iranians will be. The intention of the United
[00:03:13] States is to return to direct talks with Iran on the green issue immediately
[00:03:16] after an agreement is reached regarding the Strait
[00:03:20] of Hormuz.
[00:03:22] הורמוז.
[00:03:25] The murder of lawyer Harel Feldman in Rishon LeZion. The police obtained
[00:03:29] a new recording of a conversation between Feldman and the murder suspect,
[00:03:32] Ahmed Al-Rajoub. Ada Greenberg, our correspondent, we're coming to you with
[00:03:36] the new details.
[00:03:39] Yes, hello Jonathan. This murder suspect maintains his silence during
[00:03:43] the investigation. The only thing he tells the investigators is "I am mentally ill,"
[00:03:47] and two days ago, even after his arrest, he was indeed transferred to a psychiatric
[00:03:50] hospital for mental patients in Be'er
[00:03:54] Yaakov. During the psychiatric examination he tells the psychiatrist
[00:03:58] the following things:
[00:04:00] "I wanted to reach white walls. If you put me with someone
[00:04:04] in detention, I will murder him." It must be said that regarding
[00:04:07] the police investigation, there is
[00:04:11] a recording of a conversation that took place two weeks ago, very close
[00:04:15] to the murder, between Ahmed Al-Rajoub, the murder suspect, and lawyer
[00:04:19] Feldman, in which recording
[00:04:22] the content of the financial dispute
[00:04:25] that was the motive for the murder according to the police
[00:04:29] investigation is heard. Let's listen to the recording between Al-Rajoub
[00:04:32] and lawyer Feldman, may he
[00:04:34] rest in peace.
[00:04:38] Three years of waiting, what
[00:04:40] is this?
[00:04:44] Come on, I've been waiting three years, this fucking
[00:04:47] old man, I think they'll write this, and I
[00:04:50] need, I'm not waiting for anything, you told me clearly, in court,
[00:04:53] thirty,
[00:04:56] you told me, send me your bill, you told me, send me your bill.
[00:05:14] And that's all for our news update for this hour. Immediately after us, Chen
[00:05:17] Lieberman and Gili Cohen in Kan News on Channel B. Our next update
[00:05:20] will be at 9. Have a good and quiet morning. See
[00:05:24] you soon.
[00:05:33] We wanted to lull you, but this is a morning that reminds us that
[00:05:37] the fronts are open, the reservists are
[00:05:40] in the field. Ah.
[00:05:44] And the war continues and two of them paid
[00:05:47] today the very
[00:05:50] heavy price. Major Harel Biranstock, Major
[00:05:54] (res.), and Sergeant Major Tamir
[00:05:56] Vaknin.
[00:05:59] Ah, yes, two soldiers from the Spearhead Brigade, Brigade 55, reserve
[00:06:02] soldiers who are in August in reserve in southern
[00:06:06] Lebanon, ah, an incident whose details are still
[00:06:09] being clarified, ah, entered a house. Meanwhile,
[00:06:14] during the ceasefire, before the ceasefire, what exactly happened
[00:06:17] there? Ah,
[00:06:19] and now
[00:06:21] we say hello to Matan Biran
[00:06:25] Stock, brother of Major (res.) Harel.
[00:06:28] Hello, good morning. Listen, the very
[00:06:31] fact that you are talking to us at such a difficult
[00:06:33] time I assume it is most
[00:06:37] important to talk about Harel
[00:06:40] for a moment and tell us
[00:06:43] about him.
[00:06:46] Yes, absolutely. This is not, this is the
[00:06:50] man, a very
[00:06:52] amazing man, whom every, every household in Israel should
[00:06:56] protect, because of the things he did, and how much he gave for
[00:07:00] the state, how much he loved the state,
[00:07:03] that he walked among us, what a round of reserve duty this was
[00:07:06] for him, wow, what a very very difficult question, I can't
[00:07:10] say, but he was also there.
[00:07:35] And this was, this was a very , very significant component of his
[00:07:39] life, both in terms of the amount of time
[00:07:42] and resources he invested in it, and also his heart was
[00:07:46] placed there alongside his other
[00:07:50] fathers, so his heart was certainly torn between
[00:07:53] reserve duty and family, absolutely
[00:07:57] absolutely, absolutely, Harel was a
[00:08:00] very, very family-oriented person, with unusual
[00:08:04] life forces, he loved life very, very much, he loved his
[00:08:08] family, he loved
[00:08:10] to have fun, he loved to run.
[00:08:24] His family also had a child born during
[00:08:26] the war.
[00:08:30] Against the army. How old is the youngest child?
[00:08:34] The child is one year,
[00:08:37] and a half. Yes, even more, one
[00:08:41] and eight months. Born, born
[00:08:43] after, after January 24th, after
[00:08:46] the first deployment
[00:08:48] in Lebanon.
[00:08:51] Did he share with you the difficulty of being away
[00:08:54] from home and the dilemmas?
[00:08:57] Um, of course, yes, it's
[00:09:01] always there, it's always the question, it's always, ah,
[00:09:04] always, always hovering over this whole event.
[00:09:08] Um, and absolutely, absolutely,
[00:09:11] it was not, it was not. Something very, very, very complex, but
[00:09:15] ah, with the help of his strong wife,
[00:09:18] ah, and the support he received from her, and the support
[00:09:22] he received from his amazing children, and the family
[00:09:24] support that ah,
[00:09:27] both the family
[00:09:30] support that was given for this
[00:09:33] event, without, without, without such support, it's impossible, and when he
[00:09:37] sets it in motion, it's impossible to follow him. When was the last time
[00:09:40] you spoke, Matan? Ah, we spoke. Two days ago, I think.
[00:09:43] publicly supports was at home. Ah,
[00:09:47] two days ago he was at home. He said he came back just the day before. No,
[00:09:51] yes, he came back. He came back, not two days ago,
[00:09:54] three days ago we spoke. He came back two days ago. He went
[00:09:58] north. He managed to stop at my grandmother's house, who lives
[00:10:02] in Kiryat Hata for lunch.
[00:10:06] My mom's name is, ah, yes, I last spoke to him three days
[00:10:09] ago. I spoke to him. He was wearing the football shirt
[00:10:13] I bought him, ah.
[00:10:16] He seemed happy, yes, he went,
[00:10:19] came back, entered Lebanon, exited Lebanon, no, all the, all
[00:10:23] the, all the event of this round,
[00:10:35] go and we come back and we fight and everything is fine, we continue our
[00:10:39] routine.
[00:10:42] We can continue to manage this routine.
[00:10:44] Nathan, what a
[00:10:48] time to say, how is this happening
[00:10:52] now? Tamir Vaknin was also killed,
[00:10:55] his partner. Do you know him? I don't know him,
[00:10:59] Harel had a partner, a partner who accompanied him throughout
[00:11:03] the war until, I don't remember exactly, until maybe a year
[00:11:07] ago, he had one partner who was with him. I don't know this guy, I don't
[00:11:11] know him. He had one partner who was
[00:11:14] with him, who also lives in the Gush, a guy we know
[00:11:17] from here.
[00:11:19] מפה,
[00:11:21] I don't know Amir and his family, and I of course.
[00:11:25] Ah, I send, ah, I send my condolences
[00:11:28] to the family. And if you go back
[00:11:31] for a moment to your last conversation three
[00:11:35] days ago, you said he stopped at your grandparents'
[00:11:38] house. Do you remember what he said to you
[00:11:41] before he went back
[00:11:44] in? I said, I don't, there's no
[00:11:48] way I can remember that, just like there's no way I can remember
[00:11:51] the other conversations we had, ah,
[00:11:58] what are
[00:12:01] you eating now? That's it, there was no fear at all,
[00:12:04] of course, a lot, a lot of dedication to the mission and to what needs to be
[00:12:06] done. Ah, not really, not at all, things
[00:12:10] that you know I say to myself, wow, what
[00:12:13] a last conversation I had with my heroic brother.
[00:12:16] Of course, because you didn't know it was the last conversation.
[00:12:20] Ah, certainly, yes, Matan, what is important for you that
[00:12:24] we remember? That we talk about him today, about
[00:12:27] Harel?
[00:12:31] It's important for me that the people
[00:12:33] of Israel know what a powerful person he
[00:12:36] was, how much he was devoted
[00:12:40] to life, to his family, and how
[00:12:43] he managed to combine that with many, many, many other missions he had,
[00:12:46] whether in the army, whether at work, whether
[00:12:50] projects he took upon himself, and there was truly a person who
[00:12:53] succeeded. To touch everything, zero compromises,
[00:12:57] a very, very, very high standard,
[00:13:00] from himself. I can tell a story, I think it's a very, very telling
[00:13:04] story, but Harel ran after
[00:13:07] the maneuver in Lebanon in November
[00:13:09] 24. He had, he was registered
[00:13:13] for the New York Marathon on behalf of the Shalva association, which was
[00:13:16] part of a fundraising project.
[00:13:20] And the maneuver in Lebanon began in October, and he trained
[00:13:23] very, very hard for the marathon, of course, this is his
[00:13:27] third marathon, I think. Ah,
[00:13:30] and he and the team didn't finish, and he
[00:13:33] after a month, maybe he didn't train at all, he did
[00:13:37] train during the assembly areas, because he said that
[00:13:40] he managed to run in the Hula Valley and do
[00:13:43] runs there. You understand how crazy this thing
[00:13:47] is, that in the midst of all the missions in the assembly area, everyone
[00:13:50] who knows what an assembly area means knows what that
[00:13:54] means. The pressure.
[00:13:58] The missions and the things that need to be done, especially for commanders,
[00:14:02] and he managed to find the time to really train
[00:14:04] and dedicate a lot, a lot of time to it.
[00:14:07] Ah, and in the end he went to the marathon and ran it like
[00:14:11] a pro, and it was an immense experience
[00:14:15] that he had, and as his brother, it was really crazy to see
[00:14:18] that you came out of Lebanon a moment ago as a commander,
[00:14:21] you were loaded with responsibilities, and you still managed somehow to run a marathon.
[00:14:25] As part of this fundraising journey, when you have children
[00:14:28] at home, it's really absolutely, yes, no, I'm saying
[00:14:31] that all his
[00:14:35] combination between
[00:14:37] the army and his other missions, it would not
[00:14:41] have been possible without Elia and without his four
[00:14:45] amazing children. The immense
[00:14:49] immense, immense support he received at home. Ah,
[00:14:52] of course.
[00:14:55] Matan, look, we're talking to you right now, and it sounds
[00:14:58] like you have the strength
[00:15:01] to support the family,
[00:15:04] the children.
[00:15:07] So thank you for that, and we will release
[00:15:10] you, to many more conversations,
[00:15:13] for sure, that you will have about Harel,
[00:15:17] Harel Biranstock, may his memory be blessed, thank you, thank you, Matan, thank
[00:15:20] you Matan.
[00:15:23] Now, ah,
[00:15:29] I think one of the most amazing things about this story
[00:15:32] is to see reservists
[00:15:35] who generally give. too much
[00:15:38] to reserve duty during the year and try to continue living their lives
[00:15:42] as if reserve duty isn't happening. Yes, he measured. Yes, he
[00:15:45] completed a maneuver in Lebanon and he trained
[00:15:48] for a marathon and he ran a marathon after a month of fighting in Lebanon
[00:15:52] and moving between houses and conquering
[00:15:55] Hezbollah's strongholds. Anyone who knew quite a few such reservists
[00:15:59] will be Yair Golan, Air Democrats.
[00:16:03] Hello, hello, good morning. I want
[00:16:06] to join in the heavy grief over the fall
[00:16:09] of Harel Bernstock and the fall of Tamir
[00:16:12] Vaknin, the paratrooper soldiers who paid
[00:16:15] with their lives for the security of
[00:16:18] Israel.
[00:16:21] My condolences to the families. Yes, absolutely. You were the commander
[00:16:25] of the Northern Command. I assume you knew this sector. Is it
[00:16:28] in your opinion something that will impose a ceasefire, ah,
[00:16:32] when forces are in the field with certain restrictions on activity
[00:16:35] and on the other hand they are also
[00:16:38] identifying targets and operating in southern
[00:16:41] Lebanon?
[00:16:43] Look, the most dangerous thing for Israel right now is
[00:16:47] to sink back into the quagmire of a security zone,
[00:16:51] the famous Lebanese mud. This will not
[00:16:54] contribute to Israel's security, and we already have experience
[00:16:57] with this. Therefore, we must not repeat past mistakes. What does
[00:17:01] that mean? And that means that Israel needs to lead
[00:17:04] a process in Lebanon under which
[00:17:08] there will be a massive deployment of the Lebanese army and not in some three
[00:17:11] enclaves. We need to establish an international force
[00:17:14] in Lebanon, not UNIFIL, a real force with enforcement powers
[00:17:18] on the ground, which together with the Lebanese army will ensure that there is no Hezbollah
[00:17:21] descent to the border area,
[00:17:25] and start doing it quickly. When we
[00:17:27] drag our feet and everything moves very, very slowly, then in the end
[00:17:31] Hezbollah exploits the vacuum
[00:17:34] that is created on the ground, planting bombs
[00:17:38] in the area, and in the end soldiers pay for it
[00:17:41] with their lives. We must, on all fronts,
[00:17:44] not just in Lebanon, have an Israeli initiative,
[00:17:47] and the Israeli initiative must be in Gaza, because the situation in Gaza requires
[00:17:51] the establishment of an alternative government to Hamas. The situation
[00:17:55] with Iran requires an initiative in which Israel influences
[00:17:58] Americans and is not outside the discussion table. But look
[00:18:02] at Lebanon right now, there are negotiations with the Lebanese government right
[00:18:05] now.
[00:18:24] The names of the fallen have been published. We have already seen the military response. We
[00:18:27] have already seen this movie. This will not change the picture fundamentally.
[00:18:30] And whoever thinks this will create some deterrence for Hezbollah for all
[00:18:33] eternity, that will not happen. So you think that the IDF should not have responded? No,
[00:18:37] no, it is imperative to respond, it is imperative to respond. The IDF is doing its job. I don't think there is
[00:18:41] any need for the IDF to have too many recommendations. It knows what it needs
[00:18:45] to do. According to what was said, Yair,
[00:18:49] the IDF's recommendation was to attack more, and the political echelon
[00:18:52] blocked a more aggressive attack, because there are negotiations.
[00:18:56] This is a natural thing. There are constraints.
[00:19:00] Not always do the political constraints,
[00:19:03] as they are called, affect the army in the same way. This is a reasonable
[00:19:06] and normal thing. But I want to say something much stronger
[00:19:10] than that. There must be a political initiative. The agreement
[00:19:14] that was created in Lebanon was ultimately an American imposition on
[00:19:17] Israel. What exists in Gaza is an American imposition on Israel. What
[00:19:21] is happening with Iran is actually an American initiative, and Israel is not
[00:19:24] in the picture at all. Only if there is a new government
[00:19:27] in Israel will we succeed in regaining the political-security
[00:19:31] or security-political initiative, so that Israel will
[00:19:34] serve, with the help of political agreements, its
[00:19:38] security interests. Currently,
[00:19:41] Israel's security interests on all fronts are being
[00:19:44] severely harmed, because there is no government capable of understanding
[00:19:48] this eternal unity between security
[00:19:51] action and political action. We must
[00:19:54] regain the political initiative, because
[00:19:57] the political initiative is what will translate military achievements into long-term
[00:20:01] security. When Gadi Eisenkot says that there are
[00:20:04] more experienced people than you for the position of Minister of Defense, how do you
[00:20:08] respond to him? I don't respond to that. I think that right now we
[00:20:11] need to focus all our efforts on forming
[00:20:15] a united opposition that works
[00:20:17] in coordination, without backbiting each other, without
[00:20:21] falling for the traps of the poison machine, without responding at all
[00:20:24] to the poison machine, to go our own way, for each
[00:20:28] of the parties, several years
[00:20:31] in politics, but without backbiting and without that,
[00:20:34] this is contrary to the fundamental principles of politics.
[00:20:38] I think we are in such a special situation, so critical
[00:20:42] to the fate of Israel, that we need to do extraordinary
[00:20:45] things. The future coalition will naturally
[00:20:49] be a party from across the political spectrum.
[00:20:52] Therefore, everyone needs to focus on their role.
[00:20:56] Lieberman's role and Bennett's role, and perhaps also Eisenkot's
[00:21:00] role, is to bring votes from the right. Our
[00:21:03] role as Democrats is to establish an ideological
[00:21:06] and principled alternative to the right-wing
[00:21:09] government that has truly brought us to an unprecedented
[00:21:12] national disaster. But what Lieberman and others say is that in fact
[00:21:16] you are preventing them from doing their job, which is to bring in the votes.
[00:21:20] The picture of the mandates is clear, ah,
[00:21:23] mostly, there is no, generally, in recent months there has been no
[00:21:27] movement. This is not related to my statement, one
[00:21:30] way or another. Therefore, everyone must fulfill their role.
[00:21:34] They will bring the votes from the right, I will establish an ideological
[00:21:37] and ethical alternative that will serve Israel
[00:21:40] as a liberal, democratic, progressive, prosperous country. This is the only
[00:21:44] possible future for the State of Israel. But are you preparing for the fact
[00:21:47] that if the opposition loses in these elections, they will blame
[00:21:50] you? I want to tell you, there's no way we'll lose
[00:21:54] these elections, simply no way. I've entered many
[00:21:58] battles in my life, I've never said what would happen if I
[00:22:02] failed. We will not fail, we are going to win, we are going to win
[00:22:05] big. And therefore, I suggest to all of us to lift
[00:22:09] our heads, to fight for our principles, each
[00:22:12] one will do it in their sector, ah,
[00:22:14] to ignore the poison machine, because all the dirt and what runs
[00:22:18] on social media is from the house of shame. And a dream, don't get excited about it, don't
[00:22:22] pay attention to it, present to the Israeli public an optimistic
[00:22:26] alternative, an alternative that has real
[00:22:29] hope, and we will do it and we will win. So you don't think you're serving
[00:22:33] Netanyahu's campaign?
[00:22:35] I must not, not only do I not do that, I think
[00:22:39] I represent a public that is fighting against Netanyahu,
[00:22:42] his government, I am fighting against Netanyahu, his government
[00:22:46] simply in a different way. I represent a public that went out
[00:22:50] into the streets after Yariv Levin's speech on January 4,
[00:22:54] 23. I represent the public that went out
[00:22:57] to fight for the release of the abductees
[00:23:00] and ultimately brought about the release of all of them. This
[00:23:04] public is the democratic liberal public in Israel that understands
[00:23:08] very well that there is no other future for Israel than as a progressive
[00:23:11] liberal democracy. Yes, it's also a public that, we'll continue the sentence, believes
[00:23:15] that a Palestinian state should be established or at least some beginning of a process
[00:23:18] of separation from the Palestinians.
[00:23:21] This is the public that understands very well that a conflict is not managed,
[00:23:24] a conflict is resolved, and we need to resolve the conflict with
[00:23:28] the Palestinians. Yes, it's just that the method of solution that you are talking
[00:23:31] about and your voters is completely different from Lieberman's.
[00:23:35] I am happy for the opportunity, I am happy
[00:23:38] for the opportunity and I tell you that even with Lieberman and even with Bennett, we will
[00:23:42] find common ground. He is a de facto
[00:23:46] annexation of millions of Palestinians into the State of Israel.
[00:23:49] They understand this very well. Therefore, we need to focus the question. It's not whether there will
[00:23:53] be a Palestinian state or not. The real debate is whether
[00:23:57] we are headed for annexation or separation from the Palestinians. Annexation of
[00:24:00] millions of Palestinians into our midst is the end of the Zionist enterprise, and therefore
[00:24:04] we must separate from them. How will we do it? We will talk
[00:24:07] about that later, we will discuss that later. There are
[00:24:11] all sorts of ways to annex and there are all sorts of ways to separate. We will find the right
[00:24:15] method. Let's talk for a moment about what happened this week on the
[00:24:18] Patriots program. Israel's security, Katz, when he
[00:24:22] talks about the head of the Central Command, Avi Bluth, after
[00:24:25] that there's a debate whether he fired him or not, but he's already talking about his replacement,
[00:24:29] it's clear that this is not the way to talk about a general,
[00:24:33] but what do you think about the performance of the head of the Central Command, Avi
[00:24:37] Bluth?
[00:24:39] I don't want to comment, publicly, on my opinion on the performance
[00:24:43] of this or that general, regardless of Avi Bluth. I think the shocking
[00:24:45] thing here is not, it's not...
[00:24:53] So the shocking thing here is another illustration of the fact that Israel
[00:24:56] has no Minister of Defense. It does not have a Minister of Defense in a very
[00:25:00] specific way. The person who stands today at the head of the
[00:25:03] security system, perhaps the most sensitive and most important system
[00:25:07] in Israel, is a political opportunist who
[00:25:10] does not understand security, never understood security, and in my opinion, this
[00:25:14] is a dangerous situation like no other. Another proof that
[00:25:17] this government needs to be replaced sooner rather than later. I remind
[00:25:20] everyone that the only reason that Minister Katz was elected
[00:25:24] to his position was the assumption that there
[00:25:27] would be a sweeping draft law for Haredim in military service. Perhaps
[00:25:30] the goal was exactly what we are seeing now.
[00:25:33] עכשיו
[00:25:36] This is a disgusting goal, and therefore it needs
[00:25:39] to be changed. I say again, this is another proof that this government needs to be replaced sooner
[00:25:43] rather than later. But I think that because the situation
[00:25:47] in the Patriots program was so grotesque, everyone is talking about
[00:25:50] it. But maybe we should talk for a moment about what is happening in Judea
[00:25:53] and Samaria, about the Jewish terror that has been rampant in recent
[00:25:57] months, and all this on the watch of the weak. Of course, we need
[00:26:00] to talk about it.
[00:26:03] When the situation in Judea and Samaria is on the verge
[00:26:06] of an explosion, and this is another disaster that this government is bringing
[00:26:09] upon us. I can commit to you on
[00:26:13] three principles that we will know how to implement on the ground immediately
[00:26:17] after a new government is formed. First, we will fight
[00:26:20] terror to the death, all terror, Palestinian
[00:26:24] terror and Jewish terror. Second,
[00:26:27] we will restore law and order to the Judea and Samaria area,
[00:26:30] including the re-establishment of the Shin Bet district. From a practical standpoint, we have ceased
[00:26:34] to function. And third, we
[00:26:37] will remove all illegal outposts from the
[00:26:40] ground, because there is no place in the State of Israel for illegal
[00:26:43] activity. And you say that, and you say that
[00:26:47] when in the future coalition, if
[00:26:50] and when or if you win the elections, someone will sit
[00:26:53] who lives in a legal settlement, Nokdim, someone who was the secretary
[00:26:56] of the council, anyone who sits in a legal settlement,
[00:27:00] I have no interest. to discuss
[00:27:03] his status right now, and therefore I mentioned three principles.
[00:27:07] Yes, the question is whether your future coalition partners also support
[00:27:10] the third principle you mentioned, the evacuation of illegal outposts. I have
[00:27:14] no doubt that they do. I think that Bennett actually said it himself.
[00:27:18] Yes, I think that both Bennett and Lieberman
[00:27:21] certainly Eisenkot understand very well that the moment
[00:27:24] illegal activity is allowed, and it doesn't matter in what
[00:27:28] part of Israeli society this happens, the thing is
[00:27:31] actually. The destruction of Israeli democracy, the destruction
[00:27:35] of the fabric that actually unites all of us. Therefore, it should not be allowed.
[00:27:38] I think that every law-abiding citizen should oppose
[00:27:42] illegal activity. What do you think about Lieberman's demand, his ambition
[00:27:45] to be Prime Minister?
[00:27:49] I generally oppose this discussion
[00:27:52] about who will get which portfolio. I don't refer to these things. I
[00:27:56] think that right now, anyone who looks at the emerging mandate
[00:27:59] picture, it seems to me that the highest
[00:28:03] probability is that the Prime Minister will be Gadi
[00:28:05] Eisenkot.
[00:28:07] On another matter, ah, do you understand the criticism within your
[00:28:11] party about the possibility that you will reserve Einav
[00:28:13] Gauk?
[00:28:16] Why are you laughing? I have no intention of discussing reservations publicly.
[00:28:20] These matters are on my
[00:28:23] table. I'm also not close to names of who is in, who is
[00:28:27] not. We'll discuss this later. The main discussion
[00:28:30] here is between myself and myself, and we will make
[00:28:32] decisions in the future. Yes, but you are ultimately a democratic party, you
[00:28:36] lead the Democratic Party, a party with
[00:28:39] primaries, with a history that has indeed gone through various
[00:28:42] transformations, but ultimately a party that has a tradition of primaries in both Meretz and Labor,
[00:28:46] it's not a matter between you and yourself, it's ultimately a matter of
[00:28:50] the party's institutions.
[00:28:52] Certainly, but everything I do is, of course, in accordance with the party's
[00:28:55] constitution. Ah, again, I say I won't go into
[00:28:59] that. We are very proud to be the only
[00:29:03] democratic party in the opposition bloc. I think that in general, the correction
[00:29:06] of Israeli democracy requires
[00:29:09] the parties to be democratic parties.
[00:29:12] Democracy is culture, and therefore it must be in all
[00:29:16] spheres of our public life, from the homeowners association
[00:29:19] and the neighborhood to, of course, the parties
[00:29:22] and the Knesset, and therefore we are very proud of the
[00:29:25] democratic process we carried out, it was a democratic celebration, there were primaries that were truly
[00:29:29] an unusual celebration, with...
[00:29:32] Today, more than 115 thousand members of the party,
[00:29:36] it's truly exceptional. Okay, so I do want to ask
[00:29:39] in conclusion, after we really saw attacks
[00:29:42] from within the bloc, from within the change
[00:29:45] bloc against you, against other people in the Democrats
[00:29:48] party, whether, alongside
[00:29:51] the statement that yes, you have an ideology,
[00:29:54] an alternative, and you stand behind these things, are there still
[00:29:58] lessons being learned, are there still any
[00:30:01] limitations that you place on yourself and your
[00:30:04] party members?
[00:30:07] Of course there are, we are also people who learn and draw lessons all
[00:30:10] the time, and there is a lively and open internal discourse within
[00:30:13] the party, it's an excellent discourse, that's how a party
[00:30:16] should look. Yes, certainly, we are constantly learning,
[00:30:20] I hope that the media also learns themselves, and I
[00:30:23] repeat, we have one task, one in these
[00:30:27] elections, to expend all our energy
[00:30:30] against the coalition. The failure and the ruin,
[00:30:34] and to establish and create an optimistic alternative,
[00:30:38] a winning alternative so that we truly not only replace
[00:30:41] the government, we bring about a deep change of direction in the path
[00:30:45] of the State of Israel, in a way that will strengthen
[00:30:49] democratic, liberal, progressive, modern Israel, I
[00:30:53] think this is all our task, this is what we want to do, and I
[00:30:56] am sure we will know how to do it with what is called a strong hand and an outstretched
[00:31:00] arm, Yair Golan, Chairman. Of the Democrats party, thank you very much,
[00:31:03] thank you and have a good day, no problem.
[00:31:07] נועה,
[00:31:11] On the way, on the way to Jerusalem-Tel Aviv, traffic jam at the Noam interchange.
[00:34:37] We're back, and now let's return to the conversation we had
[00:34:40] about a month ago with Colonel (res.)
[00:34:43] Moshe. He was a senior intelligence officer at the
[00:34:46] Hostages Headquarters in the IDF,
[00:34:49] and we'll do a kind of follow-up segment. With Moshe,
[00:34:52] we talked about the mental coping and the mental toll on those who
[00:34:56] participated, took part in this all-important mission, a conversation that resonated
[00:35:00] with us for weeks after
[00:35:03] the conversation, what drove us, and let's first say hello,
[00:35:06] Moshe, good morning. Yes, good morning, Gili, please tell us
[00:35:10] what has happened since, both in terms of the discourse of the people
[00:35:13] who worked with you, at headquarters, and generally, it's thousands of people in the end,
[00:35:17] also about what the system does or doesn't
[00:35:20] do? Good, so the idea
[00:35:23] really had an insane
[00:35:27] ripple effect.
[00:35:30] We received, not just me, but also others
[00:35:33] who are involved in this,
[00:35:37] from former members of the headquarters, many, many, many
[00:35:40] inquiries, written, verbal,
[00:35:43] people who
[00:35:47] waited, I think, for this thing
[00:35:50] that would allow them to admit, first of all, to themselves
[00:35:53] that they are in trouble or that they
[00:35:57] need to deal with something, and suddenly it gave them a voice, and I was very, very
[00:36:01] surprised by
[00:36:02] the intensity.
[00:36:05] Ah, so I think that's the most important thing,
[00:36:08] that people, first and foremost, allow themselves
[00:36:12] to express
[00:36:14] themselves, especially to each other, but
[00:36:17] others, and it's important for me to convey to those people
[00:36:20] and also to those who haven't yet reached out, you are not
[00:36:23] alone, continue to reach out, we will know how to provide you with support,
[00:36:27] even if the system currently doesn't have the support,
[00:36:30] we will know how to provide it to you, and you are not alone, so that's regarding
[00:36:34] that issue. I do want to ask you at this stage, did you understand anything
[00:36:37] from the responses you received after the interview, did you discover
[00:36:41] other things about your subordinates that you didn't
[00:36:45] know about their coping?
[00:36:49] Um, there wasn't anything that they approached
[00:36:53] me with that surprised me in terms of
[00:36:56] the symptoms, for example,
[00:36:59] that people expressed or
[00:37:02] shared. Yes, how deeply
[00:37:06] within the headquarters it reached circles that I didn't necessarily
[00:37:10] have direct contact
[00:37:11] with
[00:37:14] and truly how much it penetrated each
[00:37:18] and every one who was involved, and truly each
[00:37:21] one from their own perspective, so maybe that is indeed
[00:37:25] the scope of the
[00:37:28] circles it touched and still affects them today, that's a bit
[00:37:32] yes. I'll just say, Moshe, that I received
[00:37:35] reactions that the very fact that a senior officer, you are a Colonel,
[00:37:38] you have three stars on your shoulder,
[00:37:41] that someone from this genre
[00:37:45] talks about it, allows many
[00:37:48] young people to also feel more
[00:37:51] open. You said that you call on those who hear us
[00:37:55] and feel that it allows for more engagement with the issue to reach out, so just
[00:37:59] tell us where to reach out and then we'll also talk about what
[00:38:03] has happened since at the institutional level.
[00:38:06] So where to turn? Everyone who served
[00:38:10] in the unit, there are
[00:38:13] WhatsApp groups, which I will also upload the contact details to
[00:38:17] after this interview. You can turn there, you can turn
[00:38:20] directly to me, um,
[00:38:23] people know,
[00:38:25] they know. Just don't be
[00:38:29] alone with it because you are not alone, and we will know how to
[00:38:33] provide, even when there is no systemic support, each and every one
[00:38:37] with what they need. Those who need a group will have
[00:38:40] a group, and those who need individual support will have individual support, and we will know exactly
[00:38:44] how to provide the required support to each
[00:38:46] and every one, even if there is no systemic support right now, and here
[00:38:50] I will move on to the second part
[00:38:54] of the first question you asked me, which is
[00:38:58] regarding the responses
[00:39:01] in the military system. So indeed, in the week following
[00:39:04] the interview, there was some optimism.
[00:39:08] Yes, there were discussions and there was dialogue, and it seemed
[00:39:11] that indeed this thing gave
[00:39:14] some push, but this thing
[00:39:18] already dissipated in the second week,
[00:39:21] and there is a very, very great frustration
[00:39:24] among those who are in
[00:39:28] discussions, that we have returned to the same point of, broadly speaking,
[00:39:31] stagnation, staff work that was
[00:39:35] never enough.
[00:39:37] And here, as I said in the previous interview, the human soul does not
[00:39:41] wait for staff work.
[00:39:43] I think, and I said this to several senior officials
[00:39:46] in the IDF, that this is the time for
[00:39:50] command decisions,
[00:39:53] that the command in the IDF will understand what needs to be done and will say to strengthen
[00:39:56] the staff. What are the interim conclusions? What is needed?
[00:40:00] Where are the gaps and to make
[00:40:01] a decision?
[00:40:06] Not to use staff work as some
[00:40:10] way to delay. Yes. Ah, look, I'm receiving during
[00:40:13] the interview now, also reactions and inquiries
[00:40:17] from people who didn't hear the previous interview and want to understand a little more deeply what
[00:40:21] it's about. Now it's not easy
[00:40:23] to go back to descriptions
[00:40:27] and to the conversation we already had, but if you could still
[00:40:30] explain to someone who is just
[00:40:33] learning about it now, what is the unique
[00:40:36] psychological
[00:40:39] struggle for people who were involved like you in
[00:40:42] captives and missing persons?
[00:40:45] No problem, I will explain. It caught me a bit
[00:40:48] off guard. Um, I will also say
[00:40:52] that I have a reference from
[00:40:55] combat events, okay, so I know the
[00:40:58] feelings, and I will say that whoever
[00:41:00] deals
[00:41:03] with this field of captives, kidnapped men and women,
[00:41:05] ah, I used the phrase of
[00:41:09] a person who signs for a captive, signs a captive, it means he is
[00:41:13] responsible for him from beginning to end. If he is alive, he is responsible to bring
[00:41:17] him back home alive,
[00:41:20] whole, and healthy as much as possible. And if he is
[00:41:24] fallen, then he is responsible not to lose him.
[00:41:29] And it's like when you sign out a weapon from the quartermaster's
[00:41:33] or a uniform, and you have to return them in the end. Here,
[00:41:36] yes, you are signed to him, and he is yours.
[00:41:40] And when that is the situation,
[00:41:43] it penetrates every fiber of your
[00:41:46] soul, it, it
[00:41:49] doesn't really allow you to live. People are
[00:41:53] 24/7 around this thing, because you don't allow
[00:41:56] yourself now to go home, to be
[00:41:59] at an event,
[00:42:02] good life, you don't, you don't allow yourself, because there is this
[00:42:06] person you are signed to who is not here, and is there something now. In the
[00:42:10] alternative time, you could do something, you are very focused
[00:42:13] on this thing, and every thing you don't manage to do, that you
[00:42:17] fail at,
[00:42:19] in saving him, in protecting
[00:42:23] his very life, especially the people
[00:42:27] who lost the captives they were signed to,
[00:42:30] ah, that's something that scars and it takes a toll, and there are things
[00:42:34] that happen later, many of the phenomena and many
[00:42:38] of the psychological awakening occurs precisely after the captives return
[00:42:41] home, ah, and the person starts
[00:42:45] to process and digest the experiences he
[00:42:48] went through, and the stress now
[00:42:51] dissipates in
[00:42:54] daily life, and then suddenly things start to
[00:42:57] surface and erupt, and you can have
[00:43:00] triggers you never even thought of, it can be
[00:43:04] the clothing of a person walking in front of you on the street
[00:43:07] and that clothing reminds you. Of
[00:43:10] the last image you have of the captive, or of the female captive,
[00:43:14] ah, it suddenly reminds you
[00:43:17] of an event, it can be a smell, it can be, it can
[00:43:21] truly be all the phenomena that we know in the transition from trauma
[00:43:24] to post-trauma, they occur and happen among the graduates
[00:43:28] of the unit,
[00:43:30] and therefore, support is needed, and we are
[00:43:34] very late in providing that support
[00:43:36] to people. We will soon
[00:43:40] be a year after all
[00:43:43] the captives are home, and that means we are already at least
[00:43:47] a year behind. Moshe, we, first of all,
[00:43:51] promise that we will continue to conduct this follow-up until there is
[00:43:54] a proper solution, yes. And thank you again for the conversation. Even though
[00:43:58] you said we caught you unprepared to talk about it,
[00:44:01] your description conveys
[00:44:04] it chillingly, palpably,
[00:44:08] and I think everyone who heard
[00:44:11] what you're going through now. And thank you for the follow-up, it's very,
[00:44:15] very important, and I'm sure that as long as you
[00:44:19] continue and adhere and give it a platform, then also
[00:44:23] people in the Shin Bet, and in military intelligence, and
[00:44:25] generally in the army who were involved in this, will have a voice and the ability
[00:44:29] to express themselves, and I am also convinced that the systems will eventually catch up
[00:44:33] and provide the right support. Thank you very much, thank you Moshe,
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[00:45:15] We'll be right back with Chen Lieberman and Gili
[00:45:18] Cohen, here on Kan
[00:45:21] News.
[00:48:06] Brodsky. Hello to you. Hello, good morning. Look
[00:48:10] at the next description. The man who for the first time
[00:48:13] suffered Iranian missile attacks, an article from the Iranians,
[00:48:16] still ahead of us. The man who in recent years couldn't give
[00:48:20] us tips on how to evade
[00:48:23] Iranian missiles. What do you say about this description? I'm
[00:48:27] going with it, why not? You are finishing
[00:48:30] in the coming days, five years in Ukraine, you didn't
[00:48:33] expect that on your watch a war would break out
[00:48:37] between Russia and Ukraine and you would find yourself in the middle of a third world war,
[00:48:41] right? That's right. I arrived
[00:48:44] in Kyiv exactly five years ago, when no one
[00:48:48] was talking about the possibility of war, certainly not a war
[00:48:51] as widespread as what happened
[00:48:55] later. And gradually, reports began to accumulate
[00:48:58] in the weeks leading up to it that something was going to happen,
[00:49:02] and we prepared, we didn't know exactly what to prepare for,
[00:49:06] but leading up to
[00:49:09] the outbreak of the war, it was already clear that something was going to happen,
[00:49:11] and indeed, something happened that hadn't happened in
[00:49:15] decades, the biggest war in Europe since the Second
[00:49:18] World War. And suddenly, this arena that you chose to serve in,
[00:49:22] it became a much more interesting arena. That is, if you think for a moment about
[00:49:26] the moment you received the appointment to Kyiv,
[00:49:29] how did you imagine it would look, and how
[00:49:32] did it change? Ukraine has always been
[00:49:36] an interesting country, also concerning relations with
[00:49:39] Israel. They were never quiet relations,
[00:49:42] on the one hand, on the other hand, very
[00:49:46] close relations. We are two very close peoples and two very
[00:49:49] close countries, but of course we didn't expect
[00:49:53] such a level of action.
[00:49:56] And indeed, we found ourselves in a new situation,
[00:49:59] which I believe no Israeli diplomat is
[00:50:03] accustomed to, and nothing prepares you for such a
[00:50:06] situation. Meaning, even in terms of preparing
[00:50:09] the family for what such a term would look like, I
[00:50:13] assume there were all sorts of changes and things you didn't
[00:50:15] anticipate. There were many changes, first
[00:50:19] of all, we already in early February
[00:50:22] 2022 sent our families home,
[00:50:26] evacuated the children and spouses, and then, towards
[00:50:29] the outbreak of the war, just before the outbreak
[00:50:33] of the war, three days before that, we evacuated the embassy, all
[00:50:36] the emissaries to western Ukraine, and we were
[00:50:39] there for a while when the war began, and then we moved
[00:50:42] to Poland and set up near the border to help Israelis
[00:50:46] leave the country. When you sum up five years with
[00:50:50] many upheavals, disputes, also
[00:50:53] criticism of Israeli conduct, of Israeli
[00:50:56] policy towards Ukraine, there was a lot of feeling, Zelensky expressed
[00:51:00] it explicitly, that Israel is not doing enough. In the end, two
[00:51:04] countries that are in a state of war, that know what war
[00:51:07] is, where do you think Israel erred in its
[00:51:11] policy?
[00:51:14] Always, one can always do more, and it's never
[00:51:17] enough for a country that is in a state
[00:51:20] of survival war. No step or
[00:51:24] aid is enough. Israel did
[00:51:27] a lot for Ukraine. Israel
[00:51:31] took a very clear and principled stand at the beginning
[00:51:34] of the war. It condemned Russian
[00:51:36] aggression.
[00:51:39] We took until they criticized Russian conduct here, and explained
[00:51:43] to us that it's because Russia is on our heads
[00:51:46] in Syria and that we have to be on the fence, at least
[00:51:50] rhetorically. This time we weren't on the fence,
[00:51:54] we took a very clear
[00:51:57] step at the beginning of the war, but it's clear
[00:52:00] that we have limitations and red
[00:52:03] lines, ah, because we live in a very
[00:52:07] problematic, very turbulent region, and we need to consider
[00:52:10] the main actors affecting our situation, because our
[00:52:14] situation is not a state
[00:52:17] of peace, far from it. And the Ukrainians at first
[00:52:21] may have found it difficult to understand this, but they certainly understood it on October
[00:52:24] 7th.
[00:52:26] And since then,
[00:52:29] many questions simply disappeared, and it was very clear that we
[00:52:32] ourselves are in a state of war. And
[00:52:36] you cannot demand from us what the Ukrainians demand,
[00:52:39] for example, from European countries or from NATO countries. You say the Ukrainians
[00:52:43] understood, but again, Zelensky said these things bluntly, so you're saying there are
[00:52:47] things he says publicly, but behind the scenes he did
[00:52:50] understand? I think that the situation since the beginning
[00:52:54] of the war, the situation has changed. There is much more
[00:52:57] understanding of our needs, of our limitations,
[00:53:01] and we too have come a long way.
[00:53:06] In our attitude towards Ukraine, and throughout
[00:53:09] the war, we have provided aid, including an alert
[00:53:12] system, which is not humanitarian
[00:53:15] aid, but truly substantial aid
[00:53:19] to a population in a state of war. So
[00:53:23] it's clear that one can always do more, and by the way,
[00:53:27] the Ukrainians have complaints not only against us, but against many
[00:53:30] countries that do not supply exactly what they
[00:53:33] need, but countries have interests, and certainly the state
[00:53:36] of Israel, which is in such a complex situation,
[00:53:40] has interests and limitations that are, after all, quite
[00:53:43] clear. You know, we had a bit of fun in the intro about how we present you
[00:55:07] A children's book on how to raise a diplomat at home, a guide for future ambassadors and their parents.
[00:55:11] ולהוריהם.
[00:55:13] How do you teach diplomacy in a world where diplomacy is quite
[00:55:17] dead? When we see Trump telling Zelensky, commenting on
[00:56:05] Okay, Gili, we're finishing for this hour, we'll continue in the next
[00:56:09] hour to talk about the incident in Lebanon, and we'll also
[00:56:12] broadcast remarks from Yoav Horovitz, former chief of staff to
[00:56:16] the Prime Minister and CEO of the Prime Minister's Office, Netanyahu, who is moving on, has moved on a bit
[00:56:19] already, yes, in an interview
[00:56:23] that will be broadcast on News Friday, we will bring a short excerpt from the interview that teaches
[00:56:26] quite a bit about what happened in the news
[00:56:29] rooms.
[00:56:41] Tomorrow on Sumac, Pepper and Olive Oil, I will host
[00:56:45] the singer-songwriter and actress Noam
[00:56:48] Kleinstein. Noam, I put here some
[00:56:51] subtle, subtle hints about the food you are
[00:56:55] going to get, very subtle. Here is Persian lemon and another Persian
[00:56:59] lemon, so to speak. Tomorrow the answer is already
[00:57:02] inside.
[00:57:05] Who here feels they love their bank? Is hating it a difficult
[00:57:08] emotion? They just take money from you. Wow! There's no reason, it can
[00:57:12] be zero. Not three, not nine shekels,
[00:57:15] zero for current account. Now, if it doesn't go
[00:57:19] my way, it's the highway.
[00:57:22] I'm aware of this, and I blame myself for it. To say I want zero, I want
[00:57:26] zero, they don't give easily. The competition
[00:57:29] in banks starts now. One day
[00:57:32] David Grossman called, introduced himself. At first I didn't
[00:57:36] believe it was him, but then he convinced me. He said, I have a
[00:57:40] song that I think would
[00:57:42] suit you. And it was a really cool song.
[00:57:46] Like, the breakthrough is so simple. To make a song just from stickers
[00:57:49] that has all this Israeli content.
[00:57:52] Teachers, everyone like, this
[00:57:55] is like the stickers, ah, for the first time in my life I realize there's
[00:57:59] explosive material here, black gold
[00:58:02] third
[00:58:03] at 11
[00:58:08] Chochmat Tarbut tomorrow, Gil the female transition has become a cultural issue.
[00:58:12] Lo, the parents of the returned hostage Nimrod Cohen are releasing
[00:58:15] a new book each. A new book, the prophecy
[00:58:19] of destruction by one idiot, and Gitit
[00:58:22] Fisher in a questionnaire tomorrow
[00:58:23] at four.
[00:58:26] Hey sisters, no plot, a blue and
[00:58:30] white vacation will be amazing. It will
[00:58:33] be fun.
[00:58:37] What are you, Hanoch Rosen? Move
[00:58:39] normally. I will kill
[00:58:43] her.
[01:00:17] We have the news update. This morning, it was cleared for publication that in southern Lebanon
[01:00:21] two IDF soldiers from the 55th Paratroopers Brigade
[01:00:24] fell yesterday. Major (res.) Harel Birnstock,
[01:00:28] company commander in Battalion 2855,
[01:00:31] of the Spearhead formation, 34 years old
[01:00:34] from Nokdim, and Staff Sergeant (res.) Tamir Vaknin,
[01:00:37] 33 years old from Eilat. Notification was given
[01:00:40] to their families. May their memory be blessed. In the same
[01:00:44] incident in which the two fell, four reservist soldiers were seriously
[01:00:47] wounded. The incident occurred yesterday around 12 noon
[01:00:51] in the village of Majdal Zoun which is within the Israeli
[01:00:54] security strip. Reservist paratroopers, conducting
[01:00:58] engineering work, entered a building that turned out to be booby-trapped
[01:01:02] and were hit by an IED explosion. The IDF has controlled
[01:01:05] the area where the incident occurred for a long time, and the army says that Hezbollah
[01:01:08] violated the ceasefire understandings. This, despite
[01:01:11] it being unclear when the explosive device was planted.
[01:01:15] The Lebanese al-Mayadeen network, which identifies with Hezbollah, reported that Israeli
[01:01:19] Air Force fighter jets attacked last night in the Tyre area in southern
[01:01:22] Lebanon. According to the report, three attacks were also carried out using
[01:01:25] drones, and rescue forces evacuated several wounded from the scene.
[01:01:29] Concurrently, it was reported that the IDF fired artillery shells towards
[01:01:32] the Al-Tahr region in the south of the country.
[01:01:36] And meanwhile, American and Israeli sources confirmed to CNN
[01:01:39] that negotiations between Israel and Lebanon are expected
[01:01:42] to resume today. A Lebanese official added that significant
[01:01:46] developments on the ground may prevent
[01:01:48] a return to negotiations.
[01:01:52] The body of the man was found yesterday in the Yarkon Interchange area during
[01:01:56] The search for the missing Elder Dean, as announced
[01:01:58] by the police. Dean, a 23-year-old resident of Dimona, was last
[01:02:02] seen in the Petah Tikva area 19 days ago.
[01:02:05] Adas Grinberg, our reporter, is here with the update, with the latest
[01:02:09] updates, Adas. Right, hello Yonatan. First of all,
[01:02:12] the body was found this morning, and now
[01:02:15] let's take half a step back.
[01:02:17] Yesterday, the investigation into Eldar Dean's disappearance moved from the Negev district
[01:02:21] to the Sharon district. Today, as part of
[01:02:25] searches this morning by Sharon police
[01:02:28] and Mega.
[01:02:34] In the Petah Tikva area, immediately upon
[01:02:38] finding that body, they are, of course,
[01:02:41] collecting evidence from the field and have also sent the body
[01:02:45] to the Institute of Forensic Medicine for, of course,
[01:02:49] identification completion. It is important to note that there are no
[01:02:52] indications at this stage that it is
[01:02:55] the body of Eldar Dean,
[01:02:59] but due to the location and, of course, the fact
[01:03:02] that a body was found in the area, they are, of course,
[01:03:05] checking its identity at the Institute of Forensic
[01:03:08] Medicine, and when
[01:03:10] its identity is confirmed, the police will, of course,
[01:03:14] update the public. But
[01:03:17] as of now, according to those in the field,
[01:03:19] as mentioned, the body itself is in a very difficult state
[01:03:23] and therefore very difficult to identify in the field,
[01:03:26] also from evidence there. We will continue
[01:03:32] after yesterday the new party of Trooper
[01:03:35] and Hendel was officially launched. Today, Gila
[01:03:39] Gamliel announced the establishment of his party. Ya'ara Shapira, our political
[01:03:41] correspondent, has the
[01:03:44] update. Yes, Erdan and Edelstein
[01:03:47] arrived in Tel Aviv this evening to finally officially launch
[01:03:51] their party after all sorts of delays, both technical and those
[01:03:54] related to the essence of closing the rest of the
[01:03:57] list. There are still members who will be
[01:04:01] presented to this list, Aliza Bloch and Hezi Nehama are expected to announce
[01:04:04] their joining in the coming days, but it seems to me
[01:04:07] that they want to keep the suspense, and therefore this evening,
[01:04:11] only Erdan and Edelstein, number one and two
[01:04:14] in the party, appeared and will present
[01:04:16] their list. A right-wing party, but one that will not be
[01:04:20] willing to join a narrow Netanyahu government, but only
[01:04:23] a broader government that will ensure equality in the burden,
[01:04:27] which essentially means not with the Haredim but with... elements
[01:04:30] from the other bloc. Another one of those parties
[01:04:34] that are in the middle between the blocs. Ya'ara,
[01:04:37] thank you. Yoav Horovitz, who was Netanyahu's confidant,
[01:04:41] Director General of the Prime Minister's Office, opens everything tomorrow
[01:04:44] in the Friday news edition on Kan News. The full interview with
[01:04:48] our reporter Gili
[01:04:48] Cohen.
[01:04:52] I really wanted to work with Netanyahu. And I knew a Netanyahu
[01:04:56] who I thought was statesmanlike.
[01:05:01] If I once thought that was true, today I know that it is not
[01:05:04] true. Power corrupts
[01:05:07] moral values, but it corrupts the perception
[01:05:10] of reality.
[01:05:13] The State of Israel files an indictment
[01:05:16] a war against the State
[01:05:17] of Israel.
[01:05:21] And to conclude the weather forecast, today and tomorrow a slight gradual
[01:05:25] drop in temperatures in cities and inland areas,
[01:05:28] temperatures will become normal. In the season on Saturday, a slight
[01:05:31] rise in expected temperatures, an increase
[01:05:34] in heat stress in most areas, on Sunday the weather
[01:05:38] will be similar.
[01:05:41] And that's it, this is our news update for this hour, now back to Chen
[01:05:44] Lieberman and Gili Cohen on Kan News on Reshet Bet. Our next update
[01:05:47] at 10, have a good and quiet morning, goodbye
[01:05:50] for now.
[01:06:00] Near Petah Tikva, the body is in a state of decomposition, nothing can be identified
[01:06:04] from it, it was sent to the Institute of Forensic Medicine,
[01:06:07] to, of course, complete its identification, but
[01:06:11] because of the area and the location and following, of course, the investigation
[01:06:14] into the disappearance of Dar Dean, which, by the way, moved yesterday
[01:06:18] from the Negev to the Sharon, and following searches this
[01:06:21] morning by the Sharon district
[01:06:24] in this mentioned area near Petah Tikva, a wooded
[01:06:28] area, and the finding of that
[01:06:30] body. It is being sent at
[01:06:34] this hour, as mentioned, for identification at the Institute of Forensic Medicine. And after
[01:06:37] its identification, the picture will, of course, begin to become clear.
[01:06:41] Is it, God forbid, Eldar Dean or
[01:06:44] any other person who may have gone missing
[01:06:48] recently. Police forces are still
[01:06:51] at the scene, also to collect evidence
[01:06:54] from the area of the scene as much
[01:06:58] as possible. We will continue to update,
[01:07:02] but we need to be careful,
[01:07:05] this is still not a development, as you say, if you can point
[01:07:08] to the things we do know in this
[01:07:10] case, well, this case
[01:07:14] was divided between
[01:07:17] two commanders and was very
[01:07:20] complex in that regard. Eldar Dean, together
[01:07:23] with Omer Peretz and Maxim Warberman, his two friends,
[01:07:27] left on the 18th of July from...
[01:07:37] And they also fight among themselves, Omri
[01:07:40] and Maxim fight
[01:07:43] with Eldar and leave the scene, the ones who leave the scene are
[01:07:46] Maxim and Omri, after some time, while Eldar
[01:07:50] remains in that park in the Sharon, his friends
[01:07:53] leave, and there another incident develops,
[01:07:56] this time,
[01:07:58] between Eldar's group, Maxim and Omri, and
[01:08:02] another group that was there
[01:08:05] in the park, when the three friends
[01:08:08] from Eldar leave the scene and are discovered.
[01:08:12] Already when they arrive, Maxim's mother's car,
[01:08:16] they abandon the car
[01:08:18] and from there the disappearance essentially begins, it is not
[01:08:22] clear, there is no sign where Eldar last
[01:08:26] stepped. Omri and Maxim
[01:08:28] are arrested, today they will be brought again for the extension
[01:08:31] of their detention, and we will, of course,
[01:08:34] continue, let's just say that Eldar's family
[01:08:37] issued a statement a few minutes ago, criticizing
[01:08:40] the police's conduct, claiming a lack of humanity, that the police acted
[01:08:44] with indifference and complete disregard for the family's side, which we all
[01:08:48] hope, the family states that it is not Eldar and that they do not
[01:08:51] know if it is him or not, and they will wait
[01:08:54] for the results, so we all, let's say that no matter what, there is
[01:08:57] a person who died and his body was found. Good, we will continue this
[01:09:01] update, now we return to Lebanon with Brigadier General Erez
[01:09:05] and the head of the Securityists Movement, hello, hello,
[01:09:09] hello Erez, you hear about this incident that
[01:09:12] occurred during a ceasefire, two soldiers unfortunately killed, fell
[01:09:16] in battle in southern Lebanon, another four seriously
[01:09:19] wounded.
[01:09:21] You ask yourself what about the presence of
[01:09:24] IDF forces in southern Lebanon in that expanded security strip during a ceasefire?
[01:09:28] I tell myself that the service
[01:09:32] of IDF forces there is important and vital beyond measure, and it seems
[01:09:36] that we still have a lot of work to do and complete.
[01:09:39] Now we need to put things in perspective, the ceasefire or agreement
[01:09:42] is ours against the Lebanese government. Against Hezbollah, we continue
[01:09:46] to destroy its infrastructure day by day and hour by hour. Even
[01:09:50] yesterday's activity in the zone was
[01:09:53] not an activity, it was not some kind of
[01:09:56] scouts' trip. It was an activity of searches to prevent it.
[01:10:00] Just yesterday, another tunnel was blown up not far from there with more ammunition
[01:10:03] and more weapons of Hezbollah. This activity is the same
[01:10:07] long, Sisyphean, continuous activity. I don't know the
[01:10:11] details of the event to know what happened and why, yes, it is
[01:10:14] still being examined and investigated, but look, this is a shadow that says there is a ceasefire
[01:10:18] and that it was violated by Hezbollah.
[01:10:20] Look, these are statements that are made to justify
[01:10:24] our attacks and our activity. What does it mean violated by Hezbollah?
[01:10:28] Hezbollah is there, it has not disarmed, it has not
[01:10:32] disclosed the locations of its warehouses and means, therefore, word games,
[01:10:35] I don't think anyone I have had the opportunity to speak with quite a few
[01:10:39] soldiers from the brigades, including a member of our movement. He came
[01:10:42] from that brigade that left a long time ago
[01:10:45] and talks about the fighting and the daily
[01:10:48] work, they are not living, they are not delusional, and they do not
[01:10:52] think they are in some kind of idyll or some kind of ceasefire, but word games
[01:10:56] in Kadima, meaning we need this excuse to
[01:10:59] achieve more targets in the target bank, more
[01:11:02] targets, more targets, more attacks, more action, more
[01:11:05] explanation to the world, to our American friends
[01:11:08] and in general, that Hezbollah is still there and as long as it is there,
[01:11:12] we have something to do there, so we will not leave there in the foreseeable future
[01:11:16] until we really see a significant change from
[01:11:19] but Zvinner, that's exactly what they're talking about when
[01:11:22] there's an incident and when there's additional photography
[01:11:26] that's exactly what they're talking about in Rome, the representative of the Israeli government, the Israeli
[01:11:30] ambassador to the United States is sitting at the same table as
[01:11:33] the Lebanese ambassador and they're talking about the continuation of the
[01:11:37] withdrawal, meaning Israel doesn't really want it all the way,
[01:11:40] but but that's what they're talking about. They're not talking about
[01:11:43] the continuation, they're talking about the continuation of the negotiation process
[01:11:47] between us and Lebanon, now why am I not worried
[01:11:50] or less worried? Because this agreement
[01:11:54] in Lebanon, which is our agreement with the Lebanese government against
[01:11:57] Hezbollah, I say this and I don't check if I'm hearing
[01:12:01] myself correctly, it is similar to the achievement we achieved
[01:12:04] in our agreement in the Gaza Strip, the 20-point
[01:12:07] agreement, this is the first time since Camp David that the State of Israel signs
[01:12:11] agreements.
[01:12:21] Israel signed the 20-point agreement. There is
[01:12:24] a signature of the Israeli government on the agreement, which of course was put
[01:12:28] on the table by the US President, but it was signed, he signed
[01:12:32] the protocol of Sharm
[01:12:34] Now you're getting into a details that I assume none
[01:12:37] of our listeners
[01:12:40] So here, here, here, my job is not to...
[01:12:55] recognize that this is the aspiration of the Palestinian people. If the Israeli government had
[01:12:58] signed this, it seems to me that you would be speaking somewhat differently.
[01:13:02] That's part of the story. It didn't sign the 20 points, it only
[01:13:06] and tries to have its cake and eat it
[01:13:09] too. So just tell me if you want to move
[01:13:12] on to discuss the 20-point agreement and Gaza, because if so, I have an answer, we
[01:13:16] are here, we are discussing it, this is the moment. So
[01:13:20] the 20-point agreement regarding Gaza,
[01:13:23] ah, was an agreement. that stemmed from our very, very
[01:13:27] good understanding, both of the reality of what we know how to achieve, what we managed to achieve militarily,
[01:13:31] unfortunately, mainly because the security establishment did not deliver the
[01:13:34] result for almost two years,
[01:13:37] and also because we
[01:13:40] knew what the enemy would do in this context, I just
[01:13:44] want to stop you, when you say the security establishment did not deliver the result
[01:13:47] for two years, what was the desired result that it did not deliver, and why?
[01:13:51] Ah, the destruction of one article in the IDF's war goals,
[01:13:55] Hamas military and political, the overthrow of Hamas rule. And why do you think the establishment
[01:13:59] did not deliver this result? Because, and here I
[01:14:02] say this not as a commentator but as someone who was the commander of the Southern Command's planning cell
[01:14:06] for 12 years, including a year and a half into this
[01:14:09] war, and as someone who put on the table a plan
[01:14:13] that was eventually called "Gideon's Chariots B," but in July
[01:14:16] 24 years earlier under a different name, "Five Stones," he put it on
[01:14:20] the table as a plan that, in my professional opinion, would have brought
[01:14:24] an end to the war under more or less the same conditions and results that we eventually
[01:14:28] managed to achieve. And there was resistance from the system for all
[01:14:32] sorts of reasons, some reasons more
[01:14:34] objective,
[01:14:36] ammunition shortages, manpower shortages, some less objective reasons, correct
[01:14:40] and incorrect management, correct and incorrect management, but as
[01:14:43] Gili says, maybe it's related to the hostages and the danger
[01:14:47] they face from the plan, no, on the contrary, the danger they faced was
[01:14:51] from them sitting another year with the terrorists. I
[01:14:55] believed, and reality also proved throughout, that I was probably
[01:14:59] right. I myself am too strong,
[01:15:02] that only our effective, aggressive,
[01:15:05] and excessive military activity is what will bring the hostages, and that's what brought the first
[01:15:09] agreement, that's what brought the second agreement, the operation in Jabaliya,
[01:15:12] and that's what eventually brought the third agreement that brought all our hostages back alive
[01:15:16] and as casualties, but there were also those who died in captivity
[01:15:19] and sometimes
[01:15:21] due to IDF fire. There were also soldiers who were killed as a result of...
[01:15:31] No, no, war is a complex matter, Hamas kidnapped our citizens, Hamas murdered the Bibas family
[01:15:34] and others regardless of IDF activity, murdered because
[01:15:38] they murdered, in the case of the Bibas family you are probably right, but there are
[01:15:41] hostages who were killed due to military pressure, right, and there are
[01:15:44] also soldiers who were killed due to an operation in the Gaza Strip, and there are also soldiers
[01:15:48] who were killed because we were sometimes overly careful not
[01:15:52] to harm the hostages, this is a war, an ugly business. Something I want to understand
[01:15:55] from you, when you talk about the destruction of Hamas rule, do you think there was a way to do it without
[01:15:59] also creating a governing alternative to Hamas?
[01:16:03] I am convinced that there was a way to do it, and the reason that
[01:16:06] whoever is supposed to take command in Gaza, so I will
[01:16:10] say for a second, I will finish, the reason that for many, many years, and I
[01:16:13] have been dealing with the Gaza Strip from the "Mofet Mitzuka"
[01:16:17] to the current war
[01:16:19] from 2008-9 to
[01:16:23] 2024, ah. Or 25,
[01:16:26] sorry, this, the reason that all those
[01:16:30] years we told ourselves, we don't have anyone else instead of Hamas, and therefore let's
[01:16:33] put up with it, and you certainly remember a weakened Hamas, a restrained
[01:16:37] Hamas, or Hamas is an asset, of course I remember all these
[01:16:41] things, and what October 7th brought us
[01:16:43] to understand, that Hamas no,
[01:16:47] this paralysis of until we don't find the perfect
[01:16:50] Zionist ruling entity, the embracing one that will hold
[01:17:00] The initiative should have been what we did in Iron Swords, but
[01:17:04] much earlier, and not after they massacred us and murdered and killed and tried
[01:17:08] 1200 of our citizens, Erez,
[01:17:11] in the end, a decision was made
[01:17:15] at the Southern Command headquarters by the Prime Minister on October 1st
[01:17:18] to continue the series of negotiations with Hamas, meaning your opinion,
[01:17:21] perhaps, was not accepted. Before the war, right,
[01:17:25] and even during the war, not just on October 1st,
[01:17:29] I was not involved on October 1st because I am a reservist and not a regular soldier, but my opinion
[01:17:33] from 2014 and 2016 and 2018
[01:17:37] and 2021, right, my opinion was not accepted, and my opinion was not always
[01:17:40] like that, I also personally went through a process and a change,
[01:17:44] but I'm talking about the war right now, if you ask me who should replace
[01:17:47] Hamas, I tell you that the real solution for the Gaza Strip is only
[01:17:50] one professional solution, that is emigration, as long as the problem
[01:17:53] remains there of a million-something Palestinians who are in
[01:17:56] the Gaza Strip, ah, with an education
[01:18:00] system that is entirely incitement and hatred towards us for decades,
[01:18:03] and it continues even today, as long as it continues like this, even if we continue.
[01:18:31] it states that anyone who wishes to leave will be allowed to leave.
[01:18:35] The compromise on the word "emigration" was President Trump's compromise to bring
[01:18:39] the negotiations to the table in order to eventually bring back the hostages, in order to, in order to,
[01:18:42] and yes, I agree with you that the emigration plan
[01:18:46] that Trump spoke about in January a year earlier, we could have
[01:18:49] promoted and pushed a little harder. What was was what we needed to see now
[01:18:53] what's next, okay, a question about a question about the Peace Council's
[01:18:57] initiative plan. I tweeted this week that as part of the plan to dismantle
[01:19:01] Hamas, the Peace Council intends
[01:19:03] to offer to purchase, to buy,
[01:19:06] to pay. To those who deposit Kalashnikovs as part of
[01:19:10] the attempt to disarm the, to demilitarize
[01:19:12] the Gaza Strip, ah, on condition
[01:19:15] of a commitment not to return to terrorism
[01:19:18] and in fact to do a kind of rehabilitation process
[01:19:22] for terrorists, and then you see it. Yes, I
[01:19:25] am very familiar with the UN Peace Council plan, not from articles
[01:19:29] and media briefings, but
[01:19:31] from within, ah, and I say that if we succeed in implementing
[01:19:35] the UN Peace Council plan.
[01:19:37] Wait, it's not, it's not the UN's, it's the Peace Council's, but how do you know them from within, sorry, Trump's
[01:19:41] Peace Council, right, one of the biggest and best things that happened to us is that it
[01:19:45] no longer belongs to the UN, it belongs to the Peace Council.
[01:19:49] How do you know this from within, did they consult with you, did the council members talk to you,
[01:19:52] what is the background? There is no
[01:19:54] background, I'm saying that I know the plan well, and I think the plan is
[01:19:58] an excellent plan, and if we succeed in implementing
[01:20:02] it as written and not give up halfway, as sometimes happens
[01:20:05] to us, and not turn a blind eye halfway. And not say, well, they didn't
[01:20:08] do exactly, so and we continue with the next steps,
[01:20:12] then our situation will not be good if we continue to be so meticulous as we are now and don't
[01:20:15] give an inch as long as they don't implement
[01:20:19] the plan. Wait, but we'll still get there even if we implement
[01:20:22] this plan and we stick to it, we'll still get
[01:20:25] to a situation where there isn't the solution that you propose as the only solution, according to you,
[01:20:29] which is emigration. Right, I didn't say that the plan is perfect, I said that the plan
[01:20:33] was a last resort, and I started by saying that our need was that the plan was a last
[01:20:37] resort. Between what we managed to achieve militarily, and the desire
[01:20:40] to resolve the difficult and painful issue of the hostages for Israeli
[01:20:43] society, and our need to also deal with other
[01:20:47] fronts, such as Iran, which was a hotbed of incitement,
[01:20:51] and maximizing these constraints, this
[01:20:54] plan was the most feasible option, and I say again, if
[01:20:57] we implement it exactly as written, and for now it seems that we are adhering to it, and even
[01:21:01] this week, which was a bit rough and people said, "Here they are retreating and so on," Landau
[01:21:04] came out and said that Israel will not
[01:21:08] retreat before there is complete demilitarization and dismantling, complete demilitarization and dismantling includes
[01:21:11] everything from everything, and not just what they tried to imply that they would not give
[01:21:15] and were given and how they would give. Good, and the other clauses, I tell
[01:21:18] you, I'll just say in conclusion that I think it might be worth considering
[01:21:22] a more realistic plan than emigration if we really want
[01:21:25] to see a solution, two million people in the end, two million people,
[01:21:29] two million people, let me, let me also say my sentence,
[01:21:32] to explain, there are no two million people there, there are many fewer, if
[01:21:35] you want, I'll explain to you exactly how many and why,
[01:21:38] and second, I didn't say that emigration is the only solution, I said that emigration is the perfect
[01:21:41] solution, the interim solution is the dismantling and demilitarization of Hamas,
[01:21:45] denazification in the format that was done in the united emirates in other
[01:21:49] places,
[01:21:51] and the issue of the emirates model
[01:21:54] of Yushi, which can operate in the clan model
[01:21:57] in Gaza, we don't need there certainly not the Authority that we
[01:22:00] need to dismantle in Judea and Samaria regardless, we need something
[01:22:04] else there, not perfect.
[01:22:07] But we have other topics for this hour, so thank you very much, Brigadier General
[01:22:11] (res.) Have a good day, thank you.
[01:22:15] Now let's move on to the interview you conducted with Yoav
[01:22:18] Horovitz, former Chief of Staff and Director General of the Prime Minister's Office
[01:22:21] under Netanyahu, a man who for a long
[01:22:25] time has not spoken, he is part
[01:22:27] of the founders of the party of Yair Lapid.
[01:22:30] You know, if we zoom out,
[01:22:34] on a person who was the confidant of a politician who was in power for many
[01:22:38] years, he was with him for many years,
[01:22:41] I don't know if "admired" is the word, but he looked up
[01:22:44] to him, and their paths diverge,
[01:22:47] and he crosses the lines, he is now preparing
[01:22:51] Gadi Eisenkot to replace and succeed Netanyahu. Ah,
[01:22:55] this story itself is a big story, beyond the fact that Horovitz was
[01:22:59] in closed rooms during many processes that happened here in recent years, including
[01:23:02] in slightly less pleasant events, yes, and I think he was also there
[01:23:06] for a moment. Before the change, just before, during the period
[01:23:09] when the Prime Minister's Office, the Prime Minister's Office, still had
[01:23:13] people who came to serve the kingdom and not
[01:23:16] the king, he was still at that point, and that's exactly what he's talking about
[01:23:20] in the interview and also, I think, about the turning point that is associated
[01:23:23] with the filing of the indictment against Prime Minister Netanyahu.
[01:23:27] And let's hear a clip where he specifically refers to this.
[01:23:30] Everything is allowed. The struggle that the State of Israel is filing an indictment against
[01:23:34] Benjamin Netanyahu, a war against the State of Israel. The justice system,
[01:23:38] the enforcement system, people who dared
[01:23:42] to be part of this thing. What happened to the investigators in the police,
[01:23:45] investigators who investigated the Prime Minister, who are in danger
[01:23:48] of falling. They were told to investigate him. Each one
[01:23:52] of them was thrown out of the police force, I allow
[01:23:55] myself to say in my words, in shame, they were simply sent away and to this day
[01:23:59] people are hunted there, yes, he
[01:24:02] is preparing for the poison machine. I think he already knows the poison machine.
[01:24:06] I also asked him about that.
[01:24:10] I also asked him about that in the interview. No, no,
[01:24:13] I don't think he can be surprised, but I think that sentence from the moment the State
[01:24:17] of Israel against Benjamin Netanyahu it became Benjamin Netanyahu against the State
[01:24:20] of Israel, ah, it's a very, very strong sentence
[01:24:23] that resonates, ah,
[01:24:25] and tells, again, in the eyes of Yoav Horovitz,
[01:24:29] what happened and what he wants to happen.
[01:24:33] Let's say two things, I reached out for a response
[01:24:36] to the Prime Minister's political spokesperson, and I was very
[01:24:39] surprised by the handling, by the fact that he didn't really want to give
[01:24:43] a response, because according to him, we don't interview
[01:24:45] bluntly enough, strongly enough, I don't know, something
[01:24:49] like that. Now, but he didn't see, they didn't see the interview, how do they know
[01:24:52] how he was interviewed? That's exactly the point, that's exactly
[01:24:55] the point. Okay, that's one thing, and let's remember, the interview
[01:24:59] will be broadcast on Friday news at 10 to 8, on Kan
[01:25:02] 11, and about that
[01:25:06] and about many other things. In our commentators' corner, we have more
[01:25:09] elections.
[01:25:13] Elections 2026, here
[01:25:16] news on Reshet Bet all the way to the polls.
[01:25:22] All the way to the polls, Yoram Marciano, former Knesset member and chairman
[01:25:26] of the Labor faction, hello to you, good morning, soon
[01:25:30] also Osnat, hello, Gili, good morning, with whom are we? With
[01:25:33] my dear Osnat, we are waiting for her
[01:25:36] to stop. I'm not
[01:25:38] responsible for current affairs in the Likud,
[01:25:42] the phones are currently busy. Tell me, how do you see it, both
[01:25:46] the criticism of the State of Israel against Benjamin Netanyahu, Benjamin Netanyahu against the State of Israel?
[01:25:50] And also the very move of, ah, ah, crossing the
[01:25:54] lines, it seems to me,
[01:25:57] I didn't understand, what do you mean? You may not have listened to us when you were waiting on
[01:26:01] the line? We were talking about Yoav Horovitz, they really threw me off.
[01:26:04] We need to explain, so we need
[01:26:07] to explain again, Yoav Horovitz was the Chief of Staff of Benjamin Netanyahu, his confidant
[01:26:11] for many years, he crossed the lines, one of the founders of Yair Lapid's
[01:26:15] party, the man who is preparing Gadi Eisenkot to be the next Prime Minister.
[01:26:19] Ah, he was interviewed. And the interview will be broadcast tomorrow
[01:26:23] and says that from Netanyahu's perspective, there is no power
[01:26:26] limit, that power corrupts and that from the moment
[01:26:29] the indictment of the State of Israel was filed against Benjamin Netanyahu, it became Benjamin Netanyahu
[01:26:33] against the State of Israel. First of all, I want to say something to all those
[01:26:37] former officials, I am not with Netanyahu, that's clear, but I
[01:26:40] really don't like those who worked with someone and the day after cross the lines,
[01:26:44] I'm very afraid of those people, I'm saying this as sincerely and honestly as possible, if you do
[01:26:48] it not, you'll do it tomorrow with someone else. In my opinion, loyalty
[01:26:51] in politics is a very, very important thing, I don't mean you should be a donkey and not change your
[01:26:55] mind, but but from here to slandering and reaching
[01:26:59] places of
[01:27:00] slander,
[01:27:06] No, no, but I want to clarify something for a moment, because I think that Yoav Horovitz
[01:27:10] for many years refrained from being the one
[01:27:14] who leaves the Prime Minister's Office and then starts slandering, but you would agree
[01:27:17] with us, Yoram, that there comes a point in time
[01:27:21] when you can no longer remain silent, and then you also have a responsibility, because in the end you came
[01:27:23] to the public, you have a responsibility throughout the years, I
[01:27:27] am not referring now to an election campaign, so he is now joining Gadi Eisenkot,
[01:27:31] and that's fine, and until today that's allowed, where was the criticism all these years?
[01:27:34] Allowed, slandering not said, I will never, I will never
[01:27:38] work with someone whom tomorrow I will leave, I will cross over, and believe
[01:27:41] me, I worked with Shimon Peres and I worked with Amir Peretz and I worked with
[01:27:45] senior people in the Labor Party and I was close to them.
[01:27:49] I will never slander a person I worked with behind
[01:27:52] his back or immediately after I
[01:27:55] leave. Okay? Apropos, apropos
[01:27:59] slandering, let's talk for a moment about what's happening in the opposition bloc.
[01:28:02] We again, but I want to say something else apropos this matter, I think something much
[01:28:06] bigger happened than Mr. Horovitz,
[01:28:09] who was interviewed yesterday, and tomorrow
[01:28:13] it will be published, I think yesterday was an interview that anyone
[01:28:16] who heard it understands that actually one of the senior
[01:28:24] Likud ministers says it's a shame he's not in the Likud, he's our
[01:28:28] DNA, part of us, he could lead. Meaning, yesterday whoever
[01:28:32] received the legitimacy for this
[01:28:35] prime ministership actually received it from within the Likud from one of the seniors, from Dudi
[01:28:39] Amsalem, and I think that was definitely a statement that yesterday I saw
[01:28:43] all the Likud mouthpieces squirming, talking,
[01:28:46] and that was a statement that it's related to the location of
[01:28:50] DodimSalem in the primaries polls. You see, there haven't been primaries yet. I suggest
[01:28:53] not to write off DodimSalem. DodimSalem is a very very strong person within the Likud. He is an opinionated
[01:28:57] person. I don't always agree with him, but he has something that...
[01:29:00] He is Moroccan, but he is not Mizrahi. You read about this by
[01:29:28] chance, really nonsense. Why are we getting into this? The first Mizrahi prime minister, so maybe
[01:29:39] it's possible
[01:29:41] that it will happen. Try to explain to us what
[01:29:45] they are trying to tell us here. I want to tell you something. This discourse
[01:29:49] of Moroccan Ashkenazi from a high age.
[01:29:52] At 62, when I have granddaughters and grandsons and I have children,
[01:29:56] I thought it disappeared. My father immigrated in 1948
[01:30:00] to Israel. I was a Knesset member in the Labor Party.
[01:30:03] Mizrahi Moroccan who received votes in kibbutzim
[01:30:06] and development towns and in neighborhoods and in the
[01:30:10] selected areas, and they didn't care if I was Marciano or if I was
[01:30:13] Marcianovich. They voted for me. Come on, guys, stop this discourse.
[01:30:17] This discourse is not... But this discourse exists, whether we want it or not. Osnat Mark
[01:30:21] is joining us now. Osnat, where have you been? We were waiting
[01:30:24] for you. I'm just in places where I'm driving and I'm
[01:30:28] in a place with not much reception.
[01:30:39] So, look, in this ethnic discourse, when they come and try to explain to us why Gadi Eizenkot is right,
[01:30:43] he is Moroccan but he doesn't represent, and he is not Mizrahi. I don't
[01:30:47] know. Again, this is a song of unrequited love, yes, that he is not warm
[01:30:50] and caressing, yes, yes, or that the public he represents is not
[01:30:54] Mizrahi. You manage to understand what they are trying to say
[01:30:57] here? I don't want to even touch
[01:31:00] the issue of Mizrahi or not Mizrahi. But I can say
[01:31:04] that in the end, Gadi Eizenkot doesn't really represent what I
[01:31:08] represent, which is I grew up, I grew up
[01:31:11] in the periphery, and I don't, I don't
[01:31:14] accept, I grew up in the periphery and I don't accept
[01:31:17] this discourse
[01:31:20] of, yes, there was
[01:31:24] discrimination, there was no discrimination. Let's put things on the table.
[01:31:27] When my parents arrived from Morocco, there was
[01:31:30] discrimination. Period. I don't know, I didn't
[01:31:34] hear what he said in the last few minutes. But I
[01:31:37] personally can tell you that many times, many times, even
[01:31:41] in these years, even in the years that I was a Knesset
[01:31:44] member, many times they excluded me from all sorts of places,
[01:31:48] on a basic level. So let's start now
[01:31:52] to caress her. Wait a second,
[01:31:55] I didn't hear you. I'm saying, who excluded you within the Likud? They excluded
[01:31:59] you. They didn't exclude me within the Likud, but rather outside the Likud.
[01:32:12] I can tell you that we,
[01:32:14] as Sephardim, many times were excluded
[01:32:18] from many places, from positions. And I will remind
[01:32:21] you, also from the position of CEO
[01:32:24] of the Ministry of Science. No, no, no. They didn't like
[01:32:28] the idea that Osnat Mark Adri, who came from Ofakim, would be
[01:32:31] CEO.
[01:33:32] this state, how he will manage it, what his ideology
[01:33:35] will be, what his clear doctrine will be
[01:33:39] in security, in economy, in the essential matters for the state
[01:33:43] of Israel. But these are precisely people in the Likud.
[01:35:54] No one in the civil service disqualified me. I withdrew my
[01:35:58] candidacy. Why? Because I understood that I had
[01:36:01] no chance to pass the committee with them. Who are "them"?
[01:36:05] This is the whole junta,
[01:36:08] that arranged the choir. Now we will talk about
[01:36:11] other things you want to talk about.
[01:36:15] is launching a party today. Do you, Osnat, see this as successful? What
[01:36:19] can I tell you? He won't pass the electoral threshold.
[01:36:21] I think Gilad is making a mistake.
[01:36:25] He grew up within the Likud. I think he should have stayed
[01:36:29] within the Likud. I think these are votes that are really
[01:36:33] hurting the right-wing bloc. And I am sure
[01:36:36] that Gilad
[01:36:38] will eventually understand that there is no chance that such a
[01:36:42] party will pass the electoral threshold. And therefore, I
[01:36:45] think Gilad should have stayed within the Likud and not
[01:36:48] hindered the right-wing bloc right now, and he will understand this
[01:36:51] in the end. Do you think he should be reserved
[01:36:54] in the Likud? No. So,
[01:36:57] that's it. So, the taste of the elections, from the Likud's perspective, no, no, I'll tell
[01:37:01] you why. I'll tell you why he doesn't need to be reserved. Whoever is confident
[01:37:05] in his actions and whoever is confident in his abilities
[01:37:07] should do a primary and compete. But
[01:37:10] Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to reserve. And others,
[01:37:14] he is reserving other people who are not,
[01:37:17] Oh, now, people who were not
[01:37:20] within, people who were never within the Likud,
[01:37:24] and not people who we, that Gilad Erdan has many
[01:37:27] merits, he was in, he was as ambassador
[01:37:31] to the UN, did an excellent job, was a minister in several governments,
[01:37:34] I think Gilad Erdan could
[01:37:37] have added to the Likud, but
[01:37:41] once you go and establish a party, which in the end, you, that's what they
[01:37:45] say, that they are not going to boycott Netanyahu and so on, so if
[01:37:48] you are not going to boycott Netanyahu, and you know
[01:37:51] that these votes will not bring you to a situation of passing
[01:37:55] the electoral threshold, it's a shame, it hurts the right-wing
[01:37:58] bloc. Okay, Yoram is back
[01:38:01] with us. I want to talk about
[01:38:05] the opposition for a moment. We hear Liberman telling Yair Golan that he needs
[01:38:07] to shut up a bit, because he is harming efforts to move people
[01:38:11] from the right to the center. What do you think about
[01:38:15] this conduct of the opposition bloc that is starting to badmouth
[01:38:18] too much from within? First of all, I really suggest listening
[01:38:22] to Avigdor Liberman. Avigdor Liberman is a very experienced man. I think he is the only
[01:38:26] one who has gone through all the positions, from CEO
[01:38:29] of the Prime Minister's Office to Minister of Finance, Minister of Defense,
[01:38:33] Minister of Foreign Affairs. There is no position he hasn't held in the government, a Knesset member. He knows
[01:38:37] Israeli politics. I definitely tend to agree with him, and I
[01:38:40] think that Avigdor Liberman is really doing
[01:38:44] something crazy here. I see the people joining him.
[01:38:47] This morning, Knesset member Dan Illouz from the Likud announced that he is joining
[01:38:51] him. Yesterday, Lilli Ben Ami, who founded the Sala Forum,
[01:38:54] a social activist, who is doing a wonderful job. And I see
[01:38:58] that more and more people are joining
[01:39:00] Liberman, and I think that the question is whether it's not smarter, friends,
[01:39:04] Yoram, the question is why
[01:39:07] shut up? Why is he telling him to shut up? Why is he telling him
[01:39:10] to shut up? What, so the public won't know who Yair Golan is? Let the public
[01:39:14] know who Yair Golan is. Listen, I want to tell you
[01:39:17] something. The public knows who Yair Golan is, and the public will eventually
[01:39:21] go vote, and he will decide if he knows Yair Golan or
[01:39:24] not. Liberman says in election
[01:39:28] campaigns, sometimes it's better, you know, my father always used to say, a closed
[01:39:32] mouth no flies enter. It's often
[01:39:35] better, even in politics,
[01:39:38] and Mrs. Osnat Mark knows this from Likud campaigns, that not once are they called and told,
[01:39:42] "Guys, shut up, you're hurting us."
[01:39:46] Right now. Okay.
[01:39:48] Friends,
[01:39:51] thank you very much, we'll talk next
[01:39:53] week.
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[01:40:32] We'll be right back with Chen Liberman and Gili
[01:40:36] Cohen here on Channel 2
[01:40:39] News.
[01:43:47] here, Gili, and right now, the Jerusalem District Court
[01:43:51] is holding a hearing on the appeal against
[01:43:54] the decision of the military court of appeals in Judea and Samaria
[01:43:57] regarding the administrative detainee, Tal Inon Dardik, which is actually
[01:44:01] the event at the base of the dispute between Major General
[01:44:05] of the Central Command Avi Blot and Defense Minister Israel,
[01:44:08] supposedly part. A force that devolved
[01:44:11] into this semi-dismissal
[01:44:14] live on air on Patriots on Channel
[01:44:16] 14, but what we want to understand is what are
[01:44:20] the suspicions, what is the event
[01:44:23] in which that same Tal Inon Dardik is allegedly
[01:44:26] involved, and therefore Elior
[01:44:30] Levy is joining us now. Hello.
[01:44:32] Hello, friends, here. So we are talking about a big
[01:44:36] and significant event that mainly created a lot of noise in Israel, less so
[01:44:40] in the Palestinian Authority, about
[01:44:43] that attack that is allegedly attributed
[01:44:46] to Inon Dardik,
[01:44:49] in the village of Humsa, which is a village located
[01:44:53] in Judea and Samaria, more or less in the Neria area, for those
[01:44:57] who know. And we spoke with Suhaib
[01:45:00] Abu Al-Hashash from Khirbet Humsa,
[01:45:04] which is, ah, it's not even a village, it's a ruin
[01:45:07] located between the
[01:45:11] hills there. Many shacks, a very
[01:45:14] poor population. He talks about a large family of
[01:45:17] 45 people, from children to
[01:45:21] elderly, and he describes to me
[01:45:24] the events of that night. Let's
[01:45:25] listen.
[01:45:40] of settlers arrived, there were dozens of them, they were armed
[01:45:43] with knives and pepper
[01:45:46] spray. And he tells me, the first thing they did was to break
[01:45:50] the solar energy system that produces electricity and the cameras
[01:46:06] all of us to one tent and we were tied up, the children and the women.
[01:46:16] He says here, they left all of us in one tent, gathered us while we were tied up, there were children and women there, and some of us were left
[01:46:19] tied up with no clothes on at all, completely naked.
[01:46:23] I ask him what he means by completely naked, and then he tells me about
[01:46:27] that severe sexual assault he suffered,
[01:46:53] And then they tied his penis with a plastic
[01:46:57] zip tie. At the same time, there were also two foreign
[01:47:01] female volunteers who came to visit the community. They also caught them,
[01:47:04] tied them up, and attacked them,
[01:47:08] so says Suhaib.
[01:47:12] These are truly difficult things.
[01:47:14] And by the way, I ask him in conclusion, Chen, you asked me to ask him
[01:47:18] if he received any compensation, so he tells me that no
[01:47:21] authority, no Israeli or Palestinian body came
[01:47:25] to us and offered us compensation for the damages
[01:47:28] and the livestock that was taken from us. He talks about 400
[01:47:31] head of livestock that disappeared, and to this day he has no idea
[01:47:35] where they are. And let's say that the reason that we are now
[01:47:38] listening to this man and talking about this terrible event
[01:47:42] is also because of the uproar that developed
[01:47:45] between the Commander of the Central Command, Avi Blot, and Defense Minister
[01:47:49] Katz, even though this is a shocking event that I really think should have
[01:47:53] been paid attention to a long time ago. But that's the dynamic of
[01:47:56] things. Thank you very much, Elior. Thank you,
[01:48:00] Gili. If you wanted to add something, just to say that Tal Inon Dardik is under
[01:48:03] house arrest. He is not in detention because there are no administrative detentions. This is
[01:48:07] administrative house arrest, and this is the dispute now, and that's why he is also
[01:48:11] on a hunger strike. A dispute that will probably continue. Commercials.
[01:48:15] We'll be right back with Chen Liberman and Gili
[01:48:18] Cohen here on Channel 2
[01:48:21] News. Tomorrow, in garlic, pepper and olive
[01:48:25] oil, the singer-songwriter and actress Noam
[01:48:28] Kleinstain will be my guest.
[01:48:31] Noam, I put some subtle hints
[01:48:34] here for the food you're going to get. Very
[01:48:38] subtle. Here's a lemon. Yes, what
[01:48:42] is called, tomorrow the answer is already
[01:48:44] inside.
[01:48:46] Who here feels like they love their bank? Hating is a tough
[01:48:50] emotion. They just take money from you. Wow, there's no reason. It could
[01:48:53] be zero. Not three shekels, not nine shekels.
[01:48:57] Zeros on current and savings accounts. If it doesn't
[01:49:00] go my way, it's the highway.
[01:49:04] I am aware of this and I blame myself for it. To say, I want zero, I want
[01:49:08] zero. They don't give easily. The competition in the banks
[01:49:11] starts
[01:49:12] now.
[01:49:53] Good, the best.
[01:50:09] The gardens, imagine, it's going to be honey.
[01:50:12] The new summer of 11
[01:50:59] Matan is here with us, hello. The thought that Yair Golan will be the next Defense Minister
[01:51:03] is an imaginary thought. It's not going to happen.
[01:51:06] And if that's the last thing they have left to do, to say that Yair Golan will be Defense Minister, that shows
[01:51:10] how little they have to say real things. Let them deal with the thought
[01:51:14] that Bennett is going to be Defense Minister or
[01:51:17] or that Lieberman is going to be Defense Minister. These are serious
[01:51:20] things. Gili,
[01:51:31] we are approaching the end, but I
[01:51:44] want
[01:51:47] to talk about a historic event in the Baltic Sea, a Polish swimmer who managed to cross
[01:51:50] from Sweden to Poland non-stop. And I identified with
[01:51:54] this story both because I am Polish and because I love swimming in the sea, but my maximum
[01:51:58] was two kilometers and that's not the story here. We will talk with
[01:52:01] Anastasia Gorbenko, an Olympic swimmer and world runner-up. Hello,
[01:52:05] hello, good morning. How are you? We are
[01:52:08] fine. How is the Polish swimmer
[01:52:12] Bartłomiej Kubkowski? You see him coming out
[01:52:15] of the Baltic Sea after swimming for 55
[01:52:19] hours. Explain to us what is required of a person
[01:52:22] to do something like this? I
[01:52:25] wish I knew. I don't think I alone would be able to do something
[01:52:29] like this. I think it requires a lot of mental strength,
[01:52:32] a lot of physical strength, obviously, but I think a lot of it is linked
[01:52:36] to the mind. Because what do you think about for 56
[01:52:39] hours alone with yourself? When does it end?
[01:52:43] Yes, I know. If that's the thought, I don't think you can go
[01:52:46] far. Yes, you think that's really the significant
[01:52:49] challenge, meaning the thought. Maybe
[01:52:53] this boredom over time? Yes,
[01:52:57] it's either that or, for example, I don't know, there are definitely
[01:53:00] problems along the way, so how does he deal with them, and what
[01:53:04] is the first thought that comes to his mind, because, like, you can't be negative
[01:53:07] in my opinion in this situation, and obviously
[01:53:10] the grueling physical training he has to go through for
[01:53:13] this, but you mean it's 55 hours that he's
[01:53:17] swimming non-stop? How
[01:53:21] does he eat? How does he drink? He can drink
[01:53:24] along the way. These are things that people don't
[01:53:28] really understand and don't take into account when they read it, in my opinion.
[01:53:32] So, we hear between the lines, Anastasia, that you're not planning something
[01:53:35] like this. No, I don't
[01:53:38] think so. What do you think about when you're swimming?
[01:53:42] About all sorts of things, about the things that happened to me during the day, about, like, things
[01:53:46] I need to do, but I can say that my best workouts are when I don't
[01:53:50] think and I just think only about
[01:53:53] the performance itself, and that's also about the competition.
[01:53:57] The swimmers, and I don't think that for 56 hours you can not
[01:54:00] think at all, but, but again, take us for a moment to what
[01:54:04] it's supposed to look like. Meaning, he swims, we said, 160
[01:54:07] kilometers, 55 hours, he has to keep swimming. At most, he
[01:54:11] can drink while floating on his back. How, how does he
[01:54:15] do it? Yes, I think he does it by turning on his back and continuing
[01:54:19] to swim, and the same thing can be done with gels.
[01:59:47] Hello everyone and good morning.
[02:00:19] It's 10 o'clock now. We have a news update.
[02:00:23] The funeral times have been published for two IDF soldiers who fell yesterday
[02:00:26] in an explosive device blast in southern Lebanon. Major
[02:00:29] (res.) Harel Birnstock, a company commander in Battalion 285 of the
[02:00:32] spearhead formation, 34 years old, from Nokdim.
[02:00:35] His funeral will be at 12:00 PM
[02:00:38] at the military cemetery in Beer Etzel.
[02:00:42] Sergeant Major (res.) Tamir Vaknin, also a soldier in Battalion
[02:00:45] 2855. Of the spearhead formation, 33
[02:00:49] years old, from Eilat. His funeral will be at 7:20 PM
[02:00:53] this evening at the military cemetery in his city, Eilat.
[02:00:56] May their memory be blessed. In the incident in which they fell.