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[00:00:17] but that doesn't mean there isn't activity behind the scenes where every
[00:00:21] actor tries to pull in their desired direction, war or
[00:00:24] agreement. Syrian President Ahmed Dashara al-Julani was
[00:00:28] on his way to Israel for special missions in which our panel member,
[00:00:31] Marco Moreno, was also involved. We will expand
[00:00:34] on this shortly. This week, he was expelled from a disgraceful
[00:00:38] event of thousands in New York. Soon, Stephanie,
[00:00:42] an activist from the Jewish community, who documented the event and tells
[00:00:45] us about the anti-Semitic mayor who endangers
[00:00:49] the Jews there, will be with us. Also politics with us: who else talks about
[00:01:00] The Gulf states, the Gulf states and several other
[00:01:03] Arab countries are trying to reach some interesting alliances
[00:01:07] whose headline is alliances against
[00:01:14] but today the Emiratis were attacked by a oil
[00:01:17] tanker in the Strait of Hormuz, meaning nothing
[00:01:21] is over, this battle continues, the waters continue
[00:01:24] to be turbulent. Now, look, in the last 24 hours, something really
[00:01:27] interesting is happening, as Saudi
[00:01:30] Arabia, which already has a defense alliance with Pakistan since last September, before
[00:01:33] the war, ah, is actually
[00:01:36] also bringing in Turkish President Erdogan and Pakistani Prime Minister
[00:01:40] Sharif, and they are declaring a triple defense alliance. They
[00:01:43] call it the Mecca Agreement. This was in Jeddah, also in this
[00:01:47] area, the idea is to give it a religious touch
[00:01:50] in the Mecca Agreement. Yes, ah, the idea
[00:01:54] is actually to create some kind of defense umbrella. Now, let's remember, Pakistan is a
[00:01:57] nuclear country, and the Saudis have the economy and oil, and Turkey has its
[00:02:01] military industries. Now, the story is
[00:02:09] the Pakistanis, this is not directed against anyone. But in the end, in the end,
[00:02:13] Hila, there is no doubt that the timing is not accidental in light
[00:02:15] of the escalation with Iran between the United States and
[00:02:22] adjustments, to close ranks, and in this context, this should be seen.
[00:02:26] Now, on the face of it, this is an alliance of countries.
[00:02:32] But Turkey and Pakistan, in our
[00:02:35] context, I would say
[00:02:42] themselves, and they don't love a strong Iran.
[00:02:46] of interests here, there is
[00:02:53] and its proxies who recently attacked
[00:02:56] the Gulf states and also the Saudis, with an emphasis on the proxies.
[00:03:00] So I don't think we will see the
[00:03:14] of reactions, they don't like it, they tell
[00:03:16] the Saudis, it will be interesting to see where
[00:03:20] this goes. There is no doubt that for now, for now, it's mainly
[00:03:23] on the declarative level. I think the Saudis are looking for every
[00:03:27] way to elevate themselves with something. Some kind of affiliation,
[00:03:31] and the Pakistanis with their nuclear weapons, and in the next edition, you'll bring us about
[00:03:34] a very interesting
[00:03:58] approaches.
[00:04:00] Some say this and some say that, and some want this, and interests here, interests
[00:04:04] there, but where do we go from here? No one knows. But
[00:04:08] tell us what's happening now in America.
[00:04:11] Yes, so the main headline from the last few hours was
[00:04:15] a CNN report according to which the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
[00:04:18] meaning the American Chief of Staff, General Dan Kaine,
[00:04:22] spoke with senior officials in the American government in recent weeks,
[00:04:25] including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Vice
[00:04:28] President Jay Dinse and other officials, and he
[00:04:31] essentially told them that he thinks the United States has reached
[00:04:35] a point where it needs to find a way out of the war with
[00:04:38] Iran because, according to security officials
[00:04:41] in the United States, the fear is that the United States will get further bogged down in the Iranian
[00:04:45] quagmire. Now, he says this in contrast to the position of the American
[00:04:49] Central Command, which supported a broad
[00:04:51] attack by Trump at the end of July, meaning about a week and
[00:04:55] a half ago, on Iran. According to this report, General Kaine also eventually
[00:04:58] succeeded in preventing this attack, again, contrary to the opinion of the American
[00:05:02] Central Command, and also contrary to Israel's opinion, according
[00:05:06] to this report. On the other hand, we see that President Trump continues
[00:05:09] to say, "I am sure that the Strait of Hormuz will open soon. And if it does not
[00:05:13] open, then we will strike Iran a heavy blow." Meaning, the threats from
[00:05:17] the highest official in the American administration continue, but on the other hand, we also see
[00:05:20] a disagreement coming from the highest ranking person in the American
[00:05:24] military. All this is happening while
[00:05:27] Iran and Oman continue to say that they are succeeding in getting closer
[00:05:31] to full agreements towards the opening of the Strait of Hormuz, but the Iranians are flexing
[00:05:34] their muscles as usual. They say, "Even if we reach
[00:05:38] agreements with Oman, that doesn't mean that tomorrow morning the Strait is going
[00:05:41] to open. We demand that first of all, the Americans fulfill
[00:05:45] their obligations," so claim the Iranians, "remove their
[00:05:48] blockade on the Iranian ports, and also
[00:05:51] compensate us with money for the recent attacks that occurred
[00:05:54] in the last month. Only then will we agree to open the Strait,
[00:05:58] and even then, at least the entry route to the Persian Gulf, according
[00:06:01] to the emerging agreement, will be under Iran's control." Meaning, this is a different situation from what
[00:06:05] it was before the war began, when traffic flowed freely there.
[00:06:09] Let's also say that we are hearing reports in the last 24 hours from various companies that
[00:06:13] are following what is happening in the Persian Gulf, that there are fewer and fewer Iranian ships, Iranian oil
[00:06:17] tankers that are able to leave
[00:06:36] CENTCOM commander, much more
[00:06:39] more hawkish, one could say, but there is also a political
[00:06:42] angle to every general, what can you do, it's like with us, it's not, it doesn't go
[00:06:46] separately, there are worldviews, there are philosophies, there is
[00:06:50] the, the military does not go without politics anywhere,
[00:06:58] Hormuz, in the end, we really have a hard time with all the jumble of information
[00:07:02] and leaks, and briefings from or not
[00:07:05] from understanding what is happening, but we must say the following, given
[00:07:09] that the emerging agreement is as described,
[00:07:12] this is a magnificent American capitulation, I find it hard to see
[00:07:15] this happening, if it happens, I think it is very serious for several
[00:07:19] reasons, firstly, the Americans put all their prestige on this issue, they cannot
[00:07:23] reach a situation where at the end of a war the Iranians emerge with the upper
[00:07:27] hand, and in a much better situation than they were before the war,
[00:07:30] first time, second time, although Hormuz is not really
[00:07:34] our concern, we are more worried about the nuclear issue, and rightly so,
[00:07:37] but if this is indeed the case, that the Iranians receive money
[00:07:41] for every passage of a tanker, or whatever it is there, that means
[00:07:44] that we are leaving the regime not only intact, we are
[00:07:47] also providing it with income to recover, and this can
[00:07:51] spread to the proxies. Now, what we
[00:07:54] have learned in the recent period with the Americans and everything that is happening around this
[00:07:58] issue is that we usually put the cart before the horse, and we say, "Here
[00:08:01] is the attack in a few more hours," and then the opposite, and the opposite, and therefore
[00:08:05] we will wait, but from what point, what
[00:08:09] in the end, but most importantly, we say this, in my opinion, it's news.
[00:08:12] In the program, always remember, citizens of Israel, more
[00:08:15] important is who stands at the head of the State of Israel, not
[00:08:19] an American president, because in the end, in these turbulent international waters,
[00:08:23] you need to know how to navigate and you need to know how to adapt yourself.
[00:08:27] And global interests are changing, they are not always aligned
[00:08:30] with Israeli interests, and you also succeeded in
[00:08:32] this, something
[00:08:38] In 1987, Trump, at his own expense, paid 94,000
[00:08:43] shekels to publish an ad in three newspapers about how, during
[00:08:46] the tanker crisis between Iraq and Iran, he thought
[00:08:49] that the Americans, who were securing the Strait of Hormuz, should charge money for it.
[00:08:53] The Americans. A man
[00:08:55] who in 1987, 1987, publishes an ad
[00:08:59] at his own expense in these newspapers about the Strait of Hormuz
[00:09:02] as a businessman who asks why the Americans don't charge money for the Strait of Hormuz, for
[00:09:06] their protection, I don't think he will give up such a
[00:09:09] strait, very interesting from the past, that.
[00:09:42] There are different approaches, because everyone truly sees it their own way, but on the other hand, we also
[00:09:46] need to remember that America is kind of post-traumatic from the issue
[00:09:50] of endless wars like in the story of
[00:09:53] Afghanistan. So there was really the story
[00:09:56] of the sudden attack, and then
[00:09:59] when they entered Iran, they got more entangled.
[00:10:03] But I think that in the end, and Benny brought someone, an old
[00:10:07] businessman, he remains a businessman
[00:10:14] else, America, to come out
[00:10:18] is, he conducts himself in
[00:10:27] still don't know how to exit, Trump is still at a loss. Now, what happened this week
[00:10:31] with Saudi Arabia, the war was supposed to end differently,
[00:10:34] with the Saudis saying, "Here are the Americans and Israelis protecting
[00:10:37] us, let's make an agreement,
[00:10:40] some kind of defense alliance." They went to a completely different defense alliance with Pakistan
[00:10:44] that they had before, and with Turkey, which is also a NATO member, we need to remember
[00:10:48] that, and this is instead of agreements with Israel, we need
[00:10:51] to remember that.
[00:11:06] The triple agreement is actually an additional security certificate for
[00:11:10] Saudi Arabia, seeing American
[00:11:12] hesitation, and actually what is at stake here are not only tactical
[00:11:16] questions of timing before the World Cup, after the World Cup, before the elections, and if Dan Kaine
[00:11:20] is right or the CENTCOM commander is right, how to do it militarily, that is a meta-
[00:11:24] strategic question. Because if, God forbid, the United States
[00:11:27] fails to achieve both of these goals, repeatedly returning
[00:11:31] to Trump, both in Hormuz and in the nuclear issue, it means
[00:11:35] opening the door to a space for Chinese influence through
[00:11:38] Pakistan, it means the loss
[00:11:41] of the ability to build trust among the Gulf states, and this
[00:11:45] will effectively be a milestone in the withdrawal of the United States
[00:11:49] from the Gulf for years. This will be a process that cannot be stopped, and therefore I
[00:11:52] think, just like Penina, that it won't happen. Good,
[00:11:56] friends, tonight on the Saturday news, a chilling and extraordinary
[00:11:59] documentation of the wholesale civilian slaughter that is taking place even
[00:12:03] now in Iran, and the world, as always, is silent.
[00:12:06] Here's a short clip from the report that we'll broadcast after
[00:12:09] eight.
[00:12:15] In the film, countless testimonies smuggled from Iran,
[00:12:19] the likes of which the world has never seen, and perhaps prefers
[00:12:22] not to see. But not only testimonies.
[00:14:02] No demonstrations, nothing, nothing. They
[00:14:04] murder them, their citizens, why? Because they dare
[00:14:08] to oppose and protest. They are not criminals, they are not thieves,
[00:14:11] they murder them, they shoot a bullet between their eyes. There are insane
[00:14:15] testimonies, and the world, by the way,
[00:14:18] Qatar also told me, does not want these things to be published. It has
[00:14:22] actions. It's just that. It's quiet today,
[00:14:25] forget all the big politics, Trump, this, agreements,
[00:14:29] people, people are murdered in cold blood, and the world's
[00:14:33] hypocrites and freedom fighters and enlightened ones
[00:14:36] are silent and say nothing. Yes, we will come
[00:14:39] soon, I think in all of modern history, since there has been television, and certainly
[00:14:43] since there has been the internet and so on, there is no single example of a violent
[00:14:46] dictatorial regime that committed even much less
[00:14:49] than these acts, and that remained in power for long. Meaning,
[00:14:52] this is what we see in the report. This is
[00:14:55] a fraction of what we will see, and this is a clear indicator that this
[00:14:59] regime will not continue for many more years. It made two
[00:15:02] mistakes that are not made: one, this, and two, it
[00:15:06] tried to touch the forbidden fruit of nuclear weapons. No Middle Eastern country
[00:15:09] that tried to touch, no ruler did not say so, not Saddam Hussein,
[00:15:13] not Hafez al-Assad, succeeded in holding on when he tried to touch
[00:15:16] nuclear weapons, and certainly tried to kill, to kill
[00:15:28] slaughtering them, and in the end he was removed. Penina, no, I
[00:15:32] mean, you need to take your report and translate it into all possible
[00:15:42] needs. Hypocrisy is rampant, and today I'm a bit into
[00:15:46] public diplomacy. Hypocrisy in the world is rampant. There is one thing we need
[00:15:49] to talk about: Israel and genocide and Free Palestine,
[00:15:53] and everything else doesn't matter. And these are intelligent people, these are people who can
[00:15:57] develop some sense of criticism, and they don't care. The serious
[00:16:01] problem, Hila, and I say this in front
[00:16:03] of the cameras, is that there are people among us, among us,
[00:16:07] who provide materials to harm the State
[00:16:11] of Israel. Today we are facing the European Union with all
[00:16:14] sorts of decisions, all the materials for sanctions, all
[00:16:18] the materials are given to them in Judea and Samaria concerning specific
[00:16:21] people. The materials are given to them by people who consider
[00:16:24] themselves liberals who want to protect human
[00:16:28] rights, Israeli Jews whom we sometimes see
[00:16:31] on screen who give them the materials, and when
[00:16:35] people from within us come and give these
[00:16:38] materials, they, it's fuel for
[00:16:42] the fire, it's fuel for the fire. And if there's one thing we need to work on,
[00:16:45] Israeli society, it's to look these people in the eye
[00:16:49] and tell them, "Enough, you will destroy the Israeli economy, agreements will be cancelled
[00:16:53] here, you are harming us and our children." All
[00:16:57] those who try to prettify themselves in the mirror, it's not to prettify themselves,
[00:17:01] some get a lot of money, don't be confused, don't
[00:17:04] be confused, people don't work for free here.
[00:17:07] The Iranian regime is a murderous
[00:17:15] yes, there are people among us who commit terrorism
[00:17:18] in the territories, and they are the ones who are working to destroy
[00:17:21] Israel. Well, why do I have to talk about them? They are
[00:17:25] the terrorists, they are blamed, not whoever says there are terrorists, there are no
[00:17:28] terrorists, there are terrorists, there are no terrorists, but don't you
[00:17:32] think that responsibility is required, certainly with people who want
[00:17:36] and are allowed to be public representatives? We have a discussion about this
[00:17:38] later. How did we get
[00:17:42] from the murderousness of a terrorist regime,
[00:17:46] an Iranian terrorist regime, to Jewish terrorism? This is exactly
[00:17:49] the point.
[00:18:09] days of lies, campaigns, propaganda,
[00:18:12] propagandists, lies, most pretend to be what they are not,
[00:18:31] is from the right
[00:19:03] for yourselves. Whoever becomes a sought-after interviewee and gets a hug like this.
[00:19:30] Last week he said that in the debate between
[00:19:33] Yair Golan and Lasry,
[00:19:35] right?
[00:19:45] This is not a personal matter regarding X or Y. This is about what
[00:19:49] is the goal of a person who establishes a party when he knows there is no chance
[00:19:53] of passing the electoral threshold? Does he want to shackle the right or shackle
[00:19:57] the left? That is the question. Not for nothing do people establish parties.
[00:20:00] People are establishing small parties here now, and every moment
[00:20:04] new parties are being established as we speak. These are people
[00:20:08] who want to place pins in various
[00:20:11] places, so their approach is clear. Yes, this is
[00:20:15] also, on the one hand, people who act
[00:20:18] out of ego. I haven't seen such an example
[00:20:21] on the right. This is also people who
[00:20:25] want to say, "Say things explicitly, don't do them." So I think Haredim established
[00:20:38] know, because of the exposure and all the events of October 7th,
[00:20:42] parents who are in mourning, such and such, who
[00:20:45] perhaps some of them are confused by the public attention.
[00:20:49] I.
[00:21:28] I think we are confused about this because I think we really
[00:21:31] need to look at things properly.
[00:21:34] These people who put forward new party lists
[00:21:37] ultimately aspire to represent us, both from the left
[00:21:40] and the right, it doesn't matter. I think there should be a set of skills
[00:21:44] that people should have, and not just this
[00:21:47] fact.
[00:21:50] Is enough, unfortunately, again I say, unfortunately there is no discussion about
[00:21:52] ideology, exactly, there is almost no discussion about anything
[00:21:56] ideological. Soon we will have Dr. Einat Wilf with us, she
[00:22:00] founded a party, she talks about ideology, like it
[00:22:03] or not, she talks about ideology, there is almost no, everything
[00:22:12] her, oh no, I will ask her, she said clearly, she stated her views
[00:22:16] clearly, and leaves it to you to decide if she is left or right, each one in relation to her.
[00:22:36] That we conquered in the last war, that we purified in the last
[00:22:39] war, this is a statement that I resent, but I respect such a
[00:22:42] statement. Let's compete on arguments, content,
[00:22:45] and path. Anyone who comes and tells how he will now establish
[00:22:49] a party, I truly
[00:22:53] think it's a waste of time, and I want to say one thing, I believe
[00:22:56] very, very much in the wisdom of this nation. People
[00:23:00] are not stupid. We have intuitions, and also in the spirit
[00:23:08] proof of what Moses described
[00:23:11] here so beautifully is that in the State of
[00:23:15] Israel, minus minus does not always lead to a plus, and where can we see this, sir?
[00:23:19] Minus minus is.
[00:24:05] The new,
[00:24:15] I remembered the things he said there in the square.
[00:24:18] "His strength to his people."
[00:24:23] That's a strong name, the Oz
[00:24:26] party.
[00:24:32] state. You absolutely believed that a Palestinian
[00:24:36] state should be established here. Does the dream still remain or not remain?
[00:24:39] Not only does it not remain, but the
[00:24:42] understanding is that all this discourse is a discourse
[00:24:46] of Jews, meaning:
[00:24:50] it's a discourse where we argue among ourselves, he's
[00:24:53] for it, he's against it, we waste valuable political,
[00:24:56] social, and diplomatic capital on it,
[00:24:59] when there's no result, and actually all the capital
[00:25:03] we waste on this futile discussion is
[00:25:07] truly not something we need. And today I phrase it
[00:25:10] much more simply: the day
[00:25:13] when the Arabs, in Gaza, in the Judea
[00:25:16] and Samaria territories, the day when they know how to formulate
[00:25:20] a positive vision for themselves, is the day we will reach a settlement, because
[00:25:24] their tragedy, and mainly as a result of ours
[00:25:27] and many in the world, is that they are all organized,
[00:25:31] virtually without exception, organized
[00:25:34] around a vision not to build
[00:25:37] for themselves, but to primarily destroy
[00:25:41] what the Jews have built. Clearly, amazing, that we shouldn't be
[00:25:44] here, both from the river to the sea, and that there shouldn't be a state
[00:25:48] for Jews. This is unfortunately the biggest
[00:25:51] slap in the face. I also believed and thought
[00:25:54] that this was something that you would wish for. After all, who doesn't
[00:25:58] wish for a good life, for children, for grandchildren,
[00:26:01] to live in peace. Not to live constantly under terrorist
[00:26:05] attacks and so on. And then in the end, the awakening is very
[00:26:08] painful, but there are people who refuse to face
[00:26:11] reality. It's like people who
[00:26:14] gain weight, so they stop weighing themselves. They don't want to face
[00:26:18] reality and the numbers. This is metaphors from the world
[00:26:21] of returns.
[00:26:23] Yes, no, people don't look in the mirror, they don't say, "That's it, that was
[00:26:26] reality." I thought, this is very accurate what you're saying, we talk
[00:26:30] among ourselves.
[00:26:34] And they are either this way or that way or otherwise. Tell me, how, so
[00:26:38] which party, if you could connect with, you know it's hard to pass
[00:26:42] the electoral threshold alone, right, you need at least 150,000 votes.
[00:26:46] Which party would you theoretically join
[00:26:48] today, assuming it was, if it was
[00:26:51] possible for you, from the political
[00:26:53] map?
[00:26:55] So what I would like to do, and I am working on it right now, is
[00:26:59] to create a kind of federation, an alliance
[00:27:02] of new parties that essentially come to challenge the existing
[00:27:06] thinking. I believe that after what happened on October
[00:27:09] 7th, we cannot remain with the same
[00:27:12] thinking, not about peace, not about war, not about
[00:27:15] the Palestinians, not about our attitude towards the world, not about the rise
[00:27:19] of anti-Zionism in the West. We need a completely
[00:27:22] different understanding of the challenges we face, and what I
[00:27:26] seek to find, because the electoral threshold is indeed high, and there
[00:27:29] is also a kind of cartel that tries to prevent
[00:27:33] the entry of new forces, is to see if it is possible to join with new
[00:27:36] people who bring independent, different
[00:27:39] thinking, and together with them break the cartel and pass
[00:27:43] the electoral threshold. Yes, but nevertheless, people
[00:27:46] eventually coalesced around big parties. People
[00:27:49] will say, "These are very dramatic elections, I cannot afford
[00:27:53] to waste my vote, this is not a boutique,
[00:27:56] now you choose this item or a restaurant, you choose this
[00:28:00] item, in the end I'll hold my nose, swallow
[00:28:03] and go with this one or with that one or with the other because
[00:28:07] it's too decisive." So I ask you theoretically,
[00:28:10] if you don't succeed in forming this federation,
[00:28:13] with whom among the parties would you feel comfortable
[00:28:17] now?
[00:28:23] to bring, I prefer new thinking, and also
[00:28:27] I promised all those who support me, if I reach the crucial moment
[00:28:30] and I see that there is not enough support that will allow
[00:28:34] me to comfortably pass the electoral threshold, I will act
[00:28:37] responsibly and not waste votes.
[00:28:40] I regret that there is still a kind of deadlock
[00:28:44] around yes or no to Netanyahu, this bloc or another bloc. I came to bring
[00:28:48] something else. There is no talk of ideology, it doesn't matter, everything is very personal,
[00:28:52] everything is very personal. Tell me, Doctor
[00:29:00] attacked from where you came from
[00:29:02] because you changed your approach or because many people
[00:29:05] woke up from this dream, the dream and its shattering?
[00:29:09] Ah, all in all, my process happened after the collapse
[00:29:13] of Camp David and the period of the Second Intifada.
[00:29:16] It's clear that what I discovered is that after October 7th, many more
[00:29:20] people were willing to listen to what I had to say, because after
[00:29:23] all, I came with harsh messages, I came with messages that say that there is
[00:29:27] no difference between Gaza and Ramallah, there is no difference between
[00:29:30] Hamas and Fatah. In terms of the goal that they are all
[00:29:34] united in the ultimate goal that Jews will not have a state, they
[00:29:38] may differ from each other in their means, but there is no
[00:29:40] difference in the goal. And after October 7th, it's clear
[00:29:44] that more people, because the reality was so horrific, were
[00:29:48] also willing to listen to messages that are harsher.
[00:29:57] I think it's complete disregard for reality, disregard in that
[00:30:00] 22 Arab countries, including the Palestinians,
[00:30:04] 25 times approved the Arab Peace Initiative which calls for two
[00:30:07] states. Disregard for the fact that Abu Mazen was elected on a two-state platform
[00:30:11] and continues to say it all the time. Disregard for the fact that all the polls, all the polls
[00:30:15] in the Palestinian Authority, including in Gaza, especially in Gaza, show
[00:30:18] that the public mostly supports the two-state solution, and disregard for the fact
[00:30:22] that we, even in Gaza, where we entered with
[00:30:26] slippers, we never, you can
[00:30:29] interrupt, I know the tour is strong, so you want to interrupt.
[00:31:05] Olmert, I think he underwent a humiliating ordeal
[00:31:09] in the way they investigated him and put him in prison. It hurt me
[00:31:12] at the time, I saw their persecution of him.
[00:31:16] Along with that, it doesn't allow him to trash the State
[00:31:19] of Israel under every green tree
[00:31:23] when they interview him as a former prime minister, and I
[00:31:26] really don't want to ask him that. And I've seen many
[00:31:30] times that politicians are often right. Many times I
[00:31:33] can say that someone who trashes the country
[00:31:37] No, I think he expresses criticism. To finish
[00:31:39] my words, thank you. I hope you allow me. And besides,
[00:31:43] whoever wants to get some
[00:31:46] legitimacy slanders the State of Israel. Anyone who is attacked and wants
[00:31:50] to get legitimacy, or some kind of sexual harassment victim, says
[00:31:54] this, goes to demonstrate like this, they are supported. Anyone
[00:31:57] who thinks, does this only because he wants to get
[00:32:00] legitimacy
[00:32:01] and this,
[00:32:05] that forced us to think differently, the failure
[00:32:07] of these days. I'll tell you what, what's the only thing that bothers me, is that in terms
[00:32:11] of agenda, the head of your party first of all doesn't say things. In a way,
[00:32:15] clear, in none of the places, not
[00:32:18] clear enough, that he came out with things to the end, by the way, and also
[00:32:21] what he says is very hard to believe him, because if I see that he is not, let's say he
[00:32:25] committed to torture, that he will put her in, now he suddenly canceled
[00:32:29] this thing instantly, why did he put her down at the time, but now it doesn't serve
[00:32:32] him, so come on, get out, go your way, this behavior
[00:32:36] is despicable behavior that I cannot trust anything you say, simply cannot,
[00:32:40] good, short, short, a trip of a Palestinian state that I remember, I know what
[00:32:44] to tell you, a trip. No, no, no, no, we are not, he is not, he does not represent the party, he also
[00:32:47] does not say that he represents the party, his party no, he is not here on the panel, he
[00:32:51] is on the panel, he is not, he is not if he was in a realistic place, he could not be
[00:32:55] on the panel, this is not someone who needs to bring a small one as an assistant, his
[00:32:59] argument is very, very weak and we will be avenged, he
[00:33:03] is the destruction of the argument, I want to say something about Mrs. Wilf,
[00:33:06] who is a brilliant person, I was with her, I am telling you a disclosure, you were in the same
[00:33:10] party ever, in the Labor Party, she moved
[00:33:13] to the right and says very clearly.
[00:33:17] All the in-depth studies show that the public moved to the right, and I
[00:33:20] think that if despite that, many disguise
[00:33:24] themselves as right-wingers now, well, and if the disguises there
[00:33:28] is the pool of votes, if these disguises and fragmentation
[00:33:31] of party fragments will eventually lead to a situation where a people
[00:33:34] who are on the right, in the center- right, will enthrone
[00:33:37] a government that will go for solutions of this kind, this will be
[00:33:41] a terrible tragedy of the system of okay, thank you this week.
[00:33:45] A chapter of "Enemies" was broadcast about the Syrian president Ahmed Dashar
[00:33:48] Julani, it turns out that our panel member, Marco Moreno,
[00:33:52] whom we knew his involvement in the north and in Syria was fascinating,
[00:33:55] but we didn't know that he almost brought Al-Julani to Israel. Here
[00:33:58] is the clip, whoever worked with me then
[00:34:02] in 504, he says we received a strange
[00:34:05] request from Julani, the leader of Jabhat al-Nusra, wants
[00:34:09] his sister to be treated
[00:34:10] in Israel.
[00:34:15] Israel, the infidels, the Jews, in Rambam Hospital, which brings up
[00:34:19] infidel Jews, are not supposed to exist at all as a sovereign
[00:34:22] entity. At the time, I remind you, wounded Syrians
[00:34:25] are treated in Israel, not only wounded, it
[00:34:29] expanded also to the sick, and he wants
[00:34:32] it, and they are debating what to do, in the end they decide, you know what, come on, why
[00:34:35] not, let's understand who this is, they announce, one condition, don't come with a suicide
[00:34:39] belt, and he didn't agree,
[00:34:43] at the time, the person who. With other types of suits, so
[00:34:47] he went with explosive suits, because if he gets caught, my soul will die,
[00:34:50] whoever catches him and so on.
[00:34:54] Moreno, what did you, how didn't
[00:34:58] השנים האלה, תגיד לי, למה לא אתה לא עייינת
[00:35:02] בסדרה? לא, לא פנו
[00:35:04] אליי, שלהם, אין אני יודע למה, אבל זה לא חשוב
[00:35:08] project, which I really had
[00:35:11] the pleasure and honor to establish and command this
[00:35:15] effort, had a secret slot that was not
[00:35:18] discussed, this opened up, this slot was very
[00:35:21] fascinating, and it is supposed to be secret, but it
[00:35:31] for an interesting story that is, that is actually
[00:35:34] related to the days we are in today, even against
[00:35:37] Iran, before the story, with the rest, commanders
[00:35:40] from Global Jihad, from Nusra's group,
[00:35:43] approached us.
[00:35:58] global at this stage, from what argument, we will take you to the 80s
[00:36:01] when Hezbollah was still small, imagine that he comes to us and what it can
[00:36:05] produce, and the Chief of Staff was Benny Gantz, all the figures were
[00:36:08] present, Gadi Eizenkot was Deputy Chief of Staff, Ya'ir Golan was Commander of the Northern Command,
[00:36:12] but the Chief of Staff asked that we pass it on to the political
[00:36:16] it to the Minister of Defense and the Prime Minister. The Minister of Defense was
[00:36:19] Boogie and the Prime Minister was Netanyahu. When we presented it,
[00:36:22] Netanyahu asked me, can this be secret? I told
[00:36:25] him no, because it. Otherwise, he said, I don't approve, I
[00:36:29] asked him why? He said: Because we are committed here to the Americans,
[00:36:33] we cannot maintain such a relationship, a kind of official
[00:36:37] relationship with entities that were somehow connected
[00:36:41] before the Syrian issue. At the time,
[00:36:43] I didn't understand it, I was very frustrated. Of course he was right, we were wrong because this
[00:36:47] thing did not develop. And this indicates the wisdom of
[00:36:51] leadership that looks at the overall picture, and this
[00:36:54] is exactly the tension between a military security level, which was also very
[00:36:58] good at explaining it, but he made the decision, now
[00:37:01] let's go to Julani, to Syria, that was by the way
[00:37:04] Friday, this whole event was in the afternoon, we were exactly in Ramat Gan and
[00:37:08] contact was made, and I got to talk to him a few times, with
[00:37:12] Julani, yes, he sent him a fax
[00:37:14] now,
[00:37:16] and in the end, in the end we decided not to bring him or he backed
[00:37:20] down from it, I don't remember so much, because of the suicide belt,
[00:37:24] because we were very concerned about the safety of our forces, who did he want to bring to the hospital?
[00:37:57] He was, by the way, very emotional during the conversation, it was evident that this situation was
[00:38:01] very difficult, look, he understood that he was talking to senior intelligence
[00:38:04] officers, from the world of agent activation, he understood exactly what was involved,
[00:38:08] and this is wow, what a scene, Moreno, this is not simple, I felt the
[00:38:11] excitement in his voice, but in the end, he received,
[00:38:15] in my opinion, he received, we made a decision, in my opinion,
[00:38:18] again I say this, I thought about it on the way to the studio, it saved his
[00:38:22] career, but he did not want to come without a suicide belt,
[00:38:26] what a story, all the.
[00:38:57] Yes, these two who worked in the Mossad are briefing against the new
[00:39:01] head of the Mossad, Gofman, about the removal of two senior officials
[00:39:04] there. As in any story, it can be presented in several ways,
[00:39:08] dismissal or rebuilding anew, as every new head of the Mossad
[00:39:12] does. It depends on who is briefing, it depends on who you ask, it depends on
[00:39:15] which former officials you ask.
[00:39:18] I also happen to talk to former officials. They criticized
[00:39:22] sharply the way things were presented and the way things were displayed.
[00:39:25] Yes, it was said ah, I think
[00:39:30] that both
[00:39:34] from friends and from what I hear
[00:39:38] it was very difficult to accept the romance at first, in the end someone comes from outside
[00:39:41] and as time passes he is very, very much appreciated, they support
[00:39:45] him a lot, they understand his way of thinking and it is going very, very well in the Mossad. I think
[00:39:49] specifically here about the matter of two
[00:39:52] guys who devised a plan. They were
[00:39:55] senior officials. The plan failed. I don't think this is a briefing, there is a matter of
[00:39:59] in the end, not only, not only are they responsible for the plan, it's not because
[00:40:03] of the plan,
[00:40:05] this is what I'm saying, in the end a head of the Mossad comes, he does a new plan, a rebuilding
[00:40:08] for the Mossad, and what he does, he says, these two guys are currently
[00:40:12] in some kind of cognitive dissonance regarding their plan, we need to bring new
[00:40:16] minds, to activate the minds from scratch, to do and make a new
[00:40:20] decision where to go, it's impossible that the same people who made some decision,
[00:40:23] by the way, even if the plan was successful, to promote them or move
[00:40:26] them to another place. We need to bring new blood to create
[00:40:29] plans.
[00:40:31] This is for their own sake or for the sake of the phenomenon, I didn't even go into the essence
[00:40:35] of every new head of the Mossad
[00:40:39] who arrives and appoints a new team. One
[00:40:41] closed units, one closed and opened new units.
[00:40:45] One hundred and forty people left the Mossad. It all depends
[00:40:49] on how the story is told. It is clear that Gofman has
[00:40:52] some such people from outside who are
[00:40:56] like there are. who challenge him all the time. Now you
[00:41:00] cannot deal with such publications. I think, however,
[00:41:03] that the background before gave them a convenient ground
[00:41:07] to come and start spreading this poison,
[00:41:10] not former officials who did not advance. The advantage,
[00:41:14] the advantage of appointing a head of the Mossad, as in Gofman's
[00:41:18] case, who did not grow up in the ranks of the Mossad, is exactly this event, that he
[00:41:21] is not obligated to anyone. We know organizational politics
[00:41:25] both in the army and in the Mossad and in the Shabak. This is the first statement, the second statement,
[00:41:29] I have heard for a long time, by the way, I and then know
[00:41:32] this, that there is a claim against the Mossad that they did not mature this plan,
[00:41:36] that there is a claim that this was imposed on them and they did not do it, we always supported the.
[00:41:48] conveyed a message to the organization that he is not satisfied with this and he moves people
[00:41:52] from their positions because that's how it's done when you don't fulfill your
[00:41:55] mission according to the perception of the head of the Mossad and that's all fine, I don't understand the
[00:41:59] drama, but but that
[00:42:01] event was not televised, it's possible that if the war had continued it
[00:42:05] would have matured, that event was not disconnected
[00:42:08] from the other things. I heard that they didn't prepare it as, but I don't want to get into that, it doesn't matter,
[00:42:12] it's within the authority of the head of the Mossad, I know that this head
[00:42:15] of the Mossad is shaking up the organization as needed, preparing it for its
[00:42:19] next challenges, and rightly so, I think that any manager who managed something big in life knows
[00:42:23] to say that you had a goal, you didn't succeed
[00:42:25] in the first attempt, you want to continue to stick to that goal, you try
[00:42:29] a different way, with different tools, with different thinking, with different people, an absolute
[00:42:33] prerogative of the head of the Mossad, and whoever criticizes him for it, among other things,
[00:42:37] are those who warn in advance that if he... he will do all sorts
[00:42:41] of wrong things, they will fire him once they take office, and they will control
[00:42:44] the next government. Come on, gentlemen, he did something here that is a managerial,
[00:42:48] command, correct move, it's a shame that it comes out with some kind
[00:42:51] of stain from the critics,
[00:42:54] a stain towards the. No, no, it's not a stain, everyone understands the
[00:42:58] politicization of, you want to comment? I yes, I think
[00:43:01] that the head of the Mossad and the head of the Shin Bet is something that should not
[00:43:04] be acceptable even for the media to receive such briefings, in the end it
[00:43:08] important organizations that
[00:43:12] their lecture, yes, but you know if there was something very specific
[00:43:15] and that, but to come, what are briefings, it's to come and say how
[00:43:19] bad he is, I do have friends there
[00:43:22] who say that there is a lot of appreciation for him, open
[00:43:25] appreciation that he is doing great things, but there will always be those lovers
[00:43:29] not for the security forces, we are still at war, we
[00:43:32] are a country surrounded by enemies, what is this thing lately that suddenly
[00:43:36] everyone comes out and starts talking about the head of the Mossad and the head of the Shin Bet.
[00:43:45] Maybe I'll take what Benny said, that there were
[00:43:48] people, heads of departments
[00:43:51] who prepared a plan, it failed and they
[00:43:54] were fired. I ask if the plan, it wasn't some small plan, it was a big
[00:43:58] war, there were involved, there was involved here a cabinet, there was involved here a prime minister, maybe again
[00:44:02] they didn't enlighten him, I don't know, I
[00:44:05] take it not tomorrow and you not tomorrow and you don't know, so I
[00:44:09] will tell you.
[00:44:25] All this description of how it came out, after all,
[00:44:28] let's not get confused, think about Israel's amazing
[00:44:32] opening strike, truly guys, what's the deal, what could
[00:44:35] we have done, 40 people in eight minutes or in two
[00:44:39] minutes or in. Only
[00:44:46] failure
[00:44:49] is an orphan and success has many fathers, you know
[00:44:52] that failure is an orphan, ask Danny
[00:44:54] Yatom
[00:44:57] I tell you how they dare at all about
[00:45:00] such a thing that people of the world of sadness, it was said that there would be an
[00:45:04] attack on the entire Iranian leadership, we caught him
[00:45:07] on the stairs, which we didn't know until today.
[00:45:11] So not everything will succeed, I understand that all the rest in the country
[00:45:15] are successful, cannons, everything they did
[00:45:18] in politics and journalism, and everyone is a champion
[00:45:21] and a cannon, and only these and these, enough
[00:45:24] already, really, enough already, really, it's disgusting,
[00:45:28] instead of leveraging the achievements,
[00:45:31] being proud, and the whole world stands in awe of the achievements of the State
[00:45:34] of Israel, the internal wars here
[00:45:37] and the hatred, because it comes from the direction.
[00:46:10] harmed, brought, stole the
[00:46:14] Iranian nuclear project and brought it to Israel, the Israeli Mossad
[00:46:18] brought it to Israel, it didn't
[00:46:20] eliminate the project, but it paralyzed it for several years,
[00:46:23] also excuse me, it didn't
[00:46:27] harm, what harmed us? Listen,
[00:46:30] also when Israel inserted all sorts of worms called Esther into the project, it harmed
[00:46:34] us, it harmed them, and also now, we also harmed
[00:46:37] them now, but we were also harmed.
[00:47:09] We have a country here and if you think about what we did in Operation Lion's Roar,
[00:47:12] 40 people in eight seconds, it was half a year after we lost
[00:47:16] in the 12 days, we did another move of and all
[00:47:19] this with zero, thank God, zero casualties.
[00:48:33] From New York, we are joined by Stephanie Ben Simon, an activist
[00:48:36] in the Jewish community in New York who attended this event
[00:48:40] and also filmed and also made sure to tell
[00:48:43] Mondaire what she thinks of him, hello
[00:48:45] Stephanie.
[00:48:47] good morning
[00:48:49] Tell me Hebrew and English?
[00:48:59] so it was the national new york police department night out,
[00:49:02] every precinct had affair for
[00:49:06] the communities, and momdani showed up at statin island,
[00:49:09] new york, they are all big trump supporters over there and
[00:49:13] momdani was not welcomed, he attempted to deliver his
[00:49:16] remarks and he was booted off
[00:49:19] under a minute by the Italian sattin island commit.
[00:49:52] has raised serious concerns among many Jewish New Yorkers as
[00:49:55] myself. I walk around loud and proud with my
[00:49:59] maggen David, but it's
[00:50:02] um, it's very bad right now, because all he's talking about is Israel
[00:50:06] and genocide, and people feel
[00:50:09] comfortable acting upon that, because the mayor agrees with
[00:50:12] that. He's had mahmoud Khalil in gracey
[00:50:15] mansion, one of his employees wears a cafia, and
[00:50:19] he didn't have event for a Jewish heritage month.
[00:50:55] Yeah, he has no business being there, he does not love this country, he does not
[00:50:59] love the city, he is an islamist, he is a
[00:51:02] jihadist, he is a communist, he is socialist, he does not
[00:51:05] love the American citizens, he has no business being there,
[00:51:09] we will be there, me, my friend Raul Rivera, Scott
[00:51:13] Lavedo, many advocates, we will be there
[00:51:16] to stand respectfully with the family, and he will be
[00:51:19] boot out of there as well, he should not,
[00:51:52] of uh out of Israel, I think we're about 10% of the New York
[00:51:56] City population and we all do not
[00:51:59] support him, is that the trend in America against Jewish and
[00:52:03] again against the Jews and again? Jewish, Jews and
[00:52:06] Israel, he's not doing anything to combat anti-semitism, not at
[00:52:10] all. I don't feel safe having my children walk around the
[00:52:13] streets,
[00:52:16] there's constant anti-semitism in front of my home, in the neighborhoods,
[00:52:20] Jews are being harassed on the trains, walking in the streets, I've been
[00:52:23] called so many times, baby killer,
[00:52:26] genocide, go back and to the ovens and nazi should
[00:52:30] have finished you, I'm the granddaughter of holocaust survivors, do you know how that
[00:52:34] feels? living over here, it's, i was just in
[00:52:38] Israel two weeks ago and i felt safe being in Israel,
[00:52:41] here i don't feel safe, aren't you afraid, aren't
[00:52:44] don't you have second i'm afraid, but i i i
[00:52:48] walk around the street with protection on me, that's how you have to be as a jew right
[00:52:52] now, you feel unsafe, and do
[00:52:55] thank the NYPD, but um, everyone feels
[00:52:59] just freely calling out jews and yelling at them in the
[00:53:02] street, throwing off the keypotes of um,
[00:53:05] jewish
[00:53:07] men uh what about the stabbing that was in the upper west side two
[00:53:11] weeks ago, that crazy lunatic that came out and stabbed an Asian man and a
[00:53:15] Jewish man, yes they're just free about doing it,
[00:53:19] so um, I'm not leaving New York, I'm staying over here, I'm
[00:53:22] a loud and proud American and Israeli citizen, I'm staying
[00:53:26] here and I'm not going to um, hopefully President Trump will
[00:53:30] step in and Bruce Blakeman will win as governor, but
[00:53:33] I'm not leaving, I'm born here.
[00:53:45] Israel
[00:53:52] it's not a matter, they are persecuted, but there is a process now against
[00:53:55] Mondaire, a very difficult process, not only of Jews, it's a movement,
[00:53:58] yes, it's easy for the body to identify a disease,
[00:54:02] when the germ is very, very prominent, and what is happening in the United States.
[00:54:10] All this energy that comes from the socialist-communist
[00:54:13] camp, and many of them are also Muslims,
[00:54:17] that comes out in the form of figures that are on the verge of grotesque with very, very
[00:54:20] extreme statements, very, very infuriating one after
[00:54:23] another, this can create a counter-movement in a pushback, okay,
[00:54:27] although there was a disappointment in Michigan, but Nikar, you know what, what did he come, you know
[00:54:31] by how many did he win in percentages, ah, by one and a half less than.
[00:54:44] Yes, there was a very serious outburst by Trump against him, but really,
[00:54:47] you know, I looked at it, so what are you talking about stopping Netanyahu? It is clear
[00:54:51] that this man is talking to very
[00:54:54] specific entities, he doesn't see New York, he doesn't see the residents of New York, it
[00:54:58] doesn't interest him, someone helped him get to Power
[00:55:02] Tower and that's what interests him right now, yes.
[00:55:05] First of all, antisemitism must be fought, it doesn't matter where it comes from and what
[00:55:09] it is now. To say about a third of New York Jews
[00:55:12] a disgrace, I wouldn't say, I what is important to me, we
[00:55:16] will see more and more phenomena in the world of people who saw what happened
[00:55:20] in Gaza, see what is happening in the territories and are forming
[00:55:23] a meeting. I am not referring to Mondaire, they are forming
[00:55:25] a very critical meeting towards the State of Israel
[00:55:29] and we also need to change policy because if
[00:55:33] this policy is not maintained. You, you
[00:55:36] simply continue, bring
[00:55:39] facts, bring facts, not now, bring
[00:55:43] facts and numbers, not
[00:55:44] campaigns,
[00:55:50] I am not a poll, this is not a fact with all due respect, so what is a fact?
[00:55:53] That they are elected, that the lobby that worked
[00:55:56] against them, that you tell me, that the State
[00:55:59] of Israel, tell me who chose them on October 7th, the State
[00:56:02] of Israel chose, no.
[00:57:05] among New York Jews who supported Mondaire, a 50% drop, these
[00:57:08] are facts. Why is there a drop? Wait, I'll explain something small to you. Why is there
[00:57:12] a drop? Because whoever believes whoever believes Mondaire that he
[00:57:15] speaks truthfully and he wants to.
[01:00:26] speaking out loud about the issue of immigration, both closing
[01:00:29] its eyes and being ashamed to be portrayed as illiberal. Those who led
[01:00:33] a vocal opposition to waves of immigration and the price society
[01:00:36] pays, were perceived as dark, extremist, and publicly
[01:00:40] condemned. Chancellor Merkel opened Germany's
[01:00:43] gates, and thereby all of Europe became committed. Now there is almost
[01:00:46] an agreement. That the experiment failed. From the point of view of the reservoirs
[01:00:50] that took over, the experiment actually succeeded. It is clear that among
[01:00:53] the immigrants there are those who adapted, who pursued education, livelihood
[01:00:57] and more. But there are many, masses who want to.