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[00:00:18] Good morning, we have a news update for 10 AM. The mayor
[00:00:22] of Kfar Saba, Refi Saar, is the main suspect in the corruption
[00:00:26] case in the center. Hadass Greenberg joins us on the line with all the details about what happened.
[00:00:31] A serious corruption case. Yes,
[00:00:34] hello, yes, we are talking about a new corruption case that was uncovered today by Yahav,
[00:00:37] in which the mayor of Kfar Saba, Refi Sa'ar, Yatom, the CEO
[00:00:41] of the economic company, public figures and businessmen were arrested, a total of 17
[00:00:44] detainees. We are talking about a covert investigation that began a year
[00:00:48] ago, during which it emerged that tenders in the municipality operated in a bribery relationship
[00:00:51] in almost every possible field, tenders that were rigged,
[00:00:55] for associates, businessmen, also criminals, and in return for the mayor's
[00:00:58] power, he received money in cash in packages.
[00:01:02] These tenders dealt with almost everything, from projects for renovating educational institutions, entertainment
[00:01:06] complexes, urban renewal and more. We are talking about a bribery amount
[00:01:10] estimated at millions. Hundreds of thousands
[00:01:12] of shekels were seized at the mayor's house. We are talking about
[00:01:16] events that allegedly occurred from 2019, a year after
[00:01:19] Mayor Safir was elected to his position. The suspicions are bribery,
[00:01:23] fraud, breach of trust and money laundering. Today at noon, all
[00:01:27] the suspects will be brought for an extension of their detention.
[00:01:30] And, thank you very much, we are 15 days before the elections. The head of Yisrael Beiteinu,
[00:01:34] Avigdor Lieberman, says on Kan News on Reshet Bet that he is not worried
[00:01:38] about the Kan News poll that indicates a change in the blocs, actually
[00:01:41] Netanyahu's bloc is the leading bloc
[00:01:44] now. He also said that the bloc of draft dodgers has no chance
[00:01:48] of forming the next government. In an interview with Keren Ozen,
[00:01:51] Lieberman also referred to Naftali Bennett's comments yesterday that Netanyahu
[00:01:55] in the government, here
[00:01:58] Netanyahu will not be in the government. Also as Minister
[00:02:01] for Regional Cooperation, period, he just won't be there,
[00:02:05] and therefore there will be no parties, neither Arab nor
[00:02:08] Haredi, and I tell you, in the other parties, the bloc
[00:02:11] of servants, we will bring a solid majority, especially now
[00:02:14] this tension actually gives motivation
[00:02:18] and adrenaline to the bloc
[00:02:20] of servants.
[00:02:23] The IDF plans to significantly reduce the presence of
[00:02:27] forces in the Gaza envelope communities immediately after the elections. This is an exclusive report by
[00:02:30] Itay Blumenthal, military and security reporter. As of October
[00:02:33] 29, reserve soldiers will only be stationed
[00:02:37] in communities located up to four kilometers from the border.
[00:02:40] In the other communities, security will rely solely on
[00:02:44] standby units and security coordinators. Dozens of reservists will be released.
[00:02:48] In the envelope, there are concerns about harm to residents' security, claiming they were not consulted
[00:02:52] about the decision. The IDF states that security coordinators will be able to
[00:02:55] recruit fighters according to
[00:02:57] the standard.
[00:03:00] Two schools in Kiryat Ata did not open today due to
[00:03:03] unusual concentrations of benzene, a carcinogen,
[00:03:07] measured near the refinery complex. The students were moved
[00:03:10] to alternative buildings. The Ministry of Health recommends
[00:03:13] that residents within a one-kilometer radius of the complex, especially
[00:03:16] children and pregnant women, avoid
[00:03:19] spending time outdoors. The anomalies were measured due to
[00:03:22] maintenance and rehabilitation work on war damages. The Ministry of Environmental
[00:03:26] Protection ordered the work to be stopped until the incident
[00:03:30] is clarified.
[00:03:32] Despite the storm and the opposition of the heads of the Hesder yeshivas, the pilot
[00:03:36] for integrating women into maneuvering armor will begin next
[00:03:40] month. We turn to you, Roi Sharon, our analyst, you are publishing
[00:03:42] the details. Yes, the November 26 draft
[00:03:46] will begin in about a month, and with it the pilot for women in maneuvering
[00:03:50] armor. This is different, of course, from the female tank crews
[00:03:54] who have long been fighting on the Egyptian border. This time it's about
[00:03:57] maneuvering armor, 100 female candidates.
[00:04:05] For this course, we remind you that a few months ago dozens of heads of Hesder yeshivas wrote
[00:04:08] a letter to the Chief of Staff saying that if he did not cancel this pilot, they would forbid
[00:04:11] their students from enlisting in the Armored Corps.
[00:04:15] After that, the Chief of Staff instructed that they would do their training at a different base, not
[00:04:19] at the same base together with the men, and another instruction
[00:04:22] in this pilot is that it's about the same operational
[00:04:26] threshold, the same operational purpose as the men, and therefore the threshold in training
[00:04:30] must be the same threshold, and therefore the chances of success
[00:04:33] of this pilot are much more of a question mark
[00:04:37] than the other pilots. In any case,
[00:04:40] the pilot is expected to begin next month
[00:04:43] with 50 new female recruits.
[00:05:49] Good morning to you, good morning, elections soon, oh, we're so
[00:05:52] excited, good morning, and everyone here is so
[00:05:56] agitated, and we have such a plan, you're going, I don't
[00:05:59] know, no, no, you will finish this program differently
[00:06:02] than you started it, absolutely. Good month also, as you see,
[00:06:06] I dressed in white, winter has begun, the month of Cheshvan begins
[00:06:10] today, Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan, today is Rosh Chodesh. What do we do special
[00:06:13] for it? We say and will vote? I am in favor
[00:06:17] we pray. Do you want to give us a small taste? No,
[00:06:20] that's me after I already understood every
[00:06:24] morning, every morning, yes, I pray every
[00:06:26] morning. Beautiful, beautiful, we are happy
[00:06:30] I can share with you after the Simchat
[00:06:33] Cheshvan, it weighs on my heart. What
[00:06:36] weighs on you? We are not yet brothers, but I
[00:06:40] already have one program behind me. My heart is heavy
[00:06:43] with me. Listen, there was the program with Bennett, okay,
[00:06:47] there were all sorts of buzz around it, and Netanyahu
[00:06:50] even shared a moment from it, and wherever
[00:06:54] I go, people are not happy, like,
[00:06:57] yesterday I got stuck in Tel Aviv, I filmed something,
[00:07:00] you were too soft with him,
[00:07:03] oh, you don't hear the answers, you're always
[00:07:07] talking, oh, if you leave Tel Aviv, why
[00:07:10] are you campaigning for them? Why are you this? Now, I'll tell
[00:07:14] you, like, neither side is happy, and I'm not
[00:07:17] okay. And I just want to say
[00:07:20] in parentheses that I really wanted to bring to the meeting, we interview
[00:07:23] politicians reasonably at a meeting before the elections
[00:07:27] started, I promise from the moment there are elections, no politician
[00:07:31] will enter this program, we'll try. It's worth it.
[00:07:35] But we approached many politicians from the right side of
[00:07:38] the map. First of all, you had some who were not yet
[00:07:41] politicians. You know, you look back, you have Yaakov
[00:07:45] Bardugo came to you when he was a media person, and Galit Distel, that was already
[00:07:49] when she was a politician, she was already a politician. Galit was then, but I don't
[00:07:52] remember which. After all, she had so many soul-searching moments
[00:07:56] then, so I don't remember which side of the soul-searching she was on, but she was
[00:08:00] fascinating, a fascinating woman. But now after
[00:08:03] Miri Regev and after some
[00:08:05] politicians were called all sorts of things
[00:08:08] on the program, so suddenly there is no politician.
[00:08:12] Dry, I want to say, they say
[00:08:15] you, they're campaigning, so we brought from the center, we brought
[00:08:19] from the left, I want a senior right-wing person, and the senior
[00:08:22] people we approached don't want to come, so first of all I ask
[00:08:25] you why, and second, you are their friend, no, you can arrange
[00:08:29] it for me, we'll try, we'll try, we'll work on it.
[00:08:33] Ahman said you're like
[00:08:36] a settler, first of all, but also, you know, at the end of the day, a political
[00:08:39] correspondent, everyone comes to you, like, I want to feel the pulse. Say you want
[00:08:43] to get someone for an interview, everyone comes, I want to know if it's me.
[00:08:46] Maybe the Corporation, they say we're not coming to the Corporation, we're only going to Channel
[00:08:50] 14. Maybe it's some kind of boycott in conversations. Everyone comes to me all the time and tells me,
[00:08:54] sure, we'll give an interview, just not this week, let's talk next week, and it's
[00:08:58] only from one side or from them? No, no, quite sweepingly
[00:09:02] until, you know, eventually they manage to break through here and there, so maybe it's related
[00:09:05] to something else, that they are all afraid of last-minute slips of the tongue
[00:09:09] or something like that. Yes, I think that, let's say, they are
[00:09:12] much more prepared for the platforms they go to. You
[00:09:16] see that they choose very carefully, meaning each one chooses very few
[00:09:20] platforms that have high exposure relatively, where they can come
[00:09:23] and prepare. You know, every politician who comes, for
[00:09:26] example, to a program like this, the number of simulations he
[00:09:29] does beforehand, certainly, of course, they sit for four or five
[00:09:33] hours beforehand with the spokesperson, and he asks them all the questions you wouldn't
[00:09:37] even imagine asking, so that they don't encounter any problems, and when he doesn't answer well, they ask
[00:09:41] again very carefully. To make sure he repeats the good answer. What tip
[00:09:44] would you give me to get a senior right-wing politician
[00:09:47] for my program? Do you have a tip?
[00:09:51] Because I'm not that kind of person, you know, if people look at all the 1200
[00:09:55] programs we filmed for the meeting, I think that the most aggressive
[00:09:58] among them were actually with politicians from the center-left, that's how
[00:10:02] it turned out. Not because of an opinion, because I did my journalistic work and those
[00:10:06] people came when it was their turn to be scrutinized. I'll tell you what works
[00:10:09] for me? Okay? What works for me is that I maintain my relationships
[00:10:13] even when I don't need them, meaning, I'm with them, even now, today,
[00:10:17] politicians who may be former or those who are not relevant now
[00:10:21] in the discourse, I also maintain a relationship with them. Silman.
[00:10:30] taste on what is happening, on who is interesting, on what, but I'm a political
[00:10:34] correspondent, you know, in the end it's really not an example. There's always where not, like, a feeling
[00:10:38] of what, what do you tell them, what do you say about it, and then
[00:10:41] when it's interesting, you know, I was already in, I didn't suddenly
[00:10:44] remember them when they were in a big position, just
[00:10:48] when I need them. Well, that's a tip for people in general,
[00:10:51] always, yes, be friends always, not just in the trenches. Ah.
[00:11:09] What, what, what's the problem? I don't understand the problem. What, what
[00:11:13] do we prefer? More boycotts and more
[00:11:16] government, an extremist government of one side? Netanyahu
[00:11:20] cannot be a minister in any government. You know, the first problem is
[00:11:23] really on a practical, legal level. How everyone, how they latched onto him
[00:11:26] like, and also how he retracted his statement, what
[00:11:30] is the legal problem, not legal. Netanyahu cannot be okay. Uh, he cannot
[00:11:34] because there is an indictment against him, so until the trial ends, Netanyahu can
[00:11:37] only be either prime minister or some other position, unless there are any changes in the law, but that's not
[00:11:41] the problem of Bennett's partners to the body. You know,
[00:11:45] in their opinion, Netanyahu is a persona non grata. They are conducting
[00:11:49] everything that has been happening here in the last year, this election campaign is to move
[00:11:52] him aside, you know.
[00:11:58] I once sat with a very senior politician
[00:12:01] in a background meeting, I don't remember if it was a politician or a very
[00:12:05] smart media person from the right side of the map, he told me, Ronnie, you don't
[00:12:08] understand, when they boycott Netanyahu, they boycott
[00:12:12] his voters. His voters feel that they are being boycotted,
[00:12:15] and that really made me think. I'm not going into the legal
[00:12:18] issue now, and of course the legal issue is the most important of all. He cannot
[00:12:22] be a minister, he cannot be a minister, but I
[00:12:25] think that boycotts have not led us to a good place, you
[00:12:29] know, in the end, when you look at really ideological
[00:12:31] differences, if you really look at worldviews for a moment, you ask everyone
[00:12:35] to ignore the political map and just formulate their worldviews
[00:12:38] on security, economy, politics, more or less
[00:12:42] there are something like 70, 80 mandates that are almost identical,
[00:12:45] and you know, that's what the unity people always say, that they
[00:12:48] could have sat together, let's say, the most right-wing marker usually
[00:12:52] includes Smotrich here, meaning the. You really
[00:12:58] look
[00:13:02] at the situation, the political differences are not great, certainly
[00:13:06] with Lieberman and Bennett, but also Gantz, in the end, the differences
[00:13:09] in almost everything are not great. The real central question is, a)
[00:13:13] Netanyahu or not Netanyahu, and they are your partners, whether you go with them or
[00:13:16] with them, and that's what all sorts of movements are trying to say now
[00:13:20] with this message of "I want a national unity government." There's always enormous
[00:13:24] support when you ask. Unity, the numbers are quite high,
[00:13:28] but it doesn't translate into mandates. Gila Gamliel, who tried to bring it, didn't succeed. Benny Gantz, who tried to bring
[00:13:31] it, didn't succeed. Yoaz Hendel is floundering, and that's not exactly his message. That is,
[00:13:35] you see that every time a movement arises that tries to eventually bring
[00:13:39] it to practice, this message doesn't really attract voters. Okay, so this
[00:13:42] is an excellent opportunity to join
[00:13:45] us, ah,
[00:13:48] then the prices of
[00:13:52] the party of Yesh Atid, ah...
[00:13:55] Yoav Horowitz, head of the 100-day team of
[00:13:57] Eizenkot, who was formerly
[00:14:00] the Director-General of the Prime Minister's Office, the Director-General of the Prime Minister's Office, Chief of Staff,
[00:14:04] meaning the man who crossed the lines big time,
[00:14:08] completely, meaning not only crossed the lines, he really was also one of the closest
[00:14:11] to Netanyahu. Chief of Staff is the one who brings and takes, he is the man who knows
[00:14:15] everything, who is there in the biggest moments, and then suddenly, in the night of Galant, or a little after that,
[00:14:19] we saw him coming to protests, meaning we understood that he had crossed the Rubicon
[00:14:22] in recent years, and now in the last
[00:14:25] election campaign, Yoav Orlovitz joins Gadi
[00:14:28] Eisenkot. Hello Yoav Orlovitz,
[00:14:31] hello, good morning. The 100-day team of Eizenkot. By the way, Shahar
[00:14:35] here said that the moment you
[00:14:39] publicly crossed the Rubicon was on the night
[00:14:42] of Galant. There was some kind of protest, I'm not sure, but tell us
[00:14:46] when No,
[00:14:50] I finished my role with Netanyahu,
[00:14:53] we actually parted ways at the end of 2000. In 2019, at the end of
[00:14:56] 2019, I published, I'm saving you
[00:14:59] a question, because it's usually asked, I published
[00:15:02] that I see a disaster approaching,
[00:15:05] that Netanyahu will bring disaster upon the State of Israel.
[00:15:08] Afterwards, I published another article, because
[00:15:12] I come from the right and from the settlements, so I said
[00:15:16] that when the judicial revolution began, I said
[00:15:19] that everything that was happening would first and foremost harm
[00:15:22] the settlements, because the settlements. Essentially
[00:15:25] lost their Iron Dome from the rule of law in the State
[00:15:28] of Israel. And I stood up and stood with pride and demonstrated
[00:15:32] with pride in the demonstrations against
[00:15:36] the revolution. Judiciary
[00:15:39] And then it happened, we rolled as we all
[00:15:43] rolled, and October 7th came, three
[00:15:46] builders, Roi in the north, Migad
[00:15:49] in the north, Dan Milvik of the paratroopers
[00:15:52] in Khan Yunis, and Gilad
[00:15:54] in a combat course in armor in the West Bank, they started fighting
[00:15:58] in the highest friction and all of
[00:16:01] them, all three of them started fighting after October 7th.
[00:16:05] All three of them and that's when my life and the life of all the people of Israel
[00:16:08] changed completely. That is, if I had to,
[00:16:12] not that I was looking for it, I hoped I was wrong, but
[00:16:16] I understood, I understood,
[00:16:18] that Netanyahu and Netanyahu's government, and its
[00:16:22] conduct, were bringing disaster upon us. So all those who ask
[00:16:25] why didn't you speak, maybe that's what I wanted to ask,
[00:16:28] go to the archive and you'll see me also at the end of 2019
[00:16:32] and also in the judicial revolution and also in the articles,
[00:16:36] true, I didn't appear too much.
[00:16:38] How many years were you, how many years were you with Netanyahu?
[00:16:42] I was in office for over three years, both Chief of Staff and Director General
[00:16:46] in the last year, but I've known Netanyahu for many, many years
[00:16:48] back. More than that, you weren't just
[00:16:52] there, you know, in the end, Chief of Staff, people, for those who don't understand, he's the closest
[00:16:56] person, the one who brings and takes. I really remember you, the person who goes with
[00:16:59] Netanyahu everywhere, truly from the inside, and I think there's one main
[00:17:03] difference between you and all the other people who crossed the Rubicon back
[00:17:06] then, which is that you did it later, meaning in your time, there were already
[00:17:10] the events of Nir Hefetz and all those people
[00:17:13] who left Netanyahu, Ronnie Mano and all sorts of people like that who were very close and went
[00:17:17] against him, and you were there then and afterwards you were, what's called, the second
[00:17:21] wave, you could call it that. I don't agree with you. I'll
[00:17:24] explain. I then there was a process. This
[00:17:28] thing was a process that started
[00:17:30] for me about a year, a year and a half after
[00:17:34] I started to understand that Netanyahu was not putting
[00:17:37] the country first. The court case started,
[00:17:40] 60%, 70% of the time was spent dealing with
[00:17:44] lawyers, and many other things, interventions from home and so
[00:17:47] on, and I understood that this was going
[00:17:51] to a bad place. The country was not first, the person
[00:17:54] and his survival were first. He told me countless
[00:17:58] times, if I'm not here, there's nothing here, but, but
[00:18:01] you know, when I was in office, I went to be Chief of
[00:18:05] Staff for the Prime Minister of Israel. And Director General of
[00:18:09] the Prime Minister's Office of the State
[00:18:12] of Israel. And for me,
[00:18:15] the values I grew up with are what guided me, and now
[00:18:18] there's a process, a process where you understand time after time after time until you
[00:18:22] realize you're not in the right place, and even then it takes time, because I actually fulfilled
[00:18:26] a central role, I helped many people,
[00:18:29] I did many good things, and you can't just get up, leave everything and go.
[00:18:33] Really, until it's a process, and that process took time.
[00:18:37] It didn't happen overnight, but yes, I was exposed to many
[00:18:41] things, and little by little I understood that he wasn't good for me and I
[00:18:44] wasn't good for him. Tell me, what now, you are, of course, as we said, the head
[00:18:48] of Eizenkot's 100-day team. We'll talk about your situation
[00:18:51] now. In what
[00:18:54] way, from the impression I got when I met Eizenkot, he is really 100% different
[00:18:58] from Netanyahu, for better or worse, for better
[00:19:01] or worse. For you, this is certainly a dramatic
[00:19:05] change, wait before you. He only talks about something different
[00:19:08] for the better, okay? But this is a completely different persona,
[00:19:12] and if we're now in a campaign,
[00:19:16] it's certainly much, much weaker in everything related
[00:19:19] to the campaign. So I thank you for
[00:19:23] that question, first of all, because you have to tell the truth, I
[00:19:26] joined Gadi Eizenkot, I knew him as Chief of Staff,
[00:19:30] then along the way we maintained a good relationship, we are not friends, but
[00:19:34] I learned to know him well. I joined him
[00:19:37] to Gadi. To fulfill a dream, so that
[00:19:40] my sons and grandchildren will say
[00:19:43] with pride, this is my Prime Minister, a serious and honest leader
[00:19:46] and not a salesman and an influence agent, this is a leader
[00:19:50] who takes responsibility and not one who shirks responsibility, a leader
[00:19:54] who sanctifies personal example, a leader who puts the good of the state first
[00:19:57] and not his survival, a leader who walks
[00:20:00] straight and speaks, but I have to tell you, just a second,
[00:20:03] Yoav, Yoav, just a second,
[00:20:07] This
[00:20:25] is the game, and okay, call it a marketing agent, call it
[00:20:28] whatever you want, right now the most
[00:20:31] important thing is to run a campaign, to set an
[00:20:35] agenda, to excite people.
[00:20:38] And it seems that you have somewhat lost momentum or
[00:20:41] are stuck or you are stuck at best or you are in some kind of
[00:20:45] retreat, the polls also say that, not Shahar, yes,
[00:20:49] in the end you look. The campaign,
[00:20:58] you know, I, I completely disagree
[00:21:01] with both of you. A campaign,
[00:21:04] for me, life is not a campaign. Life is
[00:21:08] taking responsibility. When the Chief of Staff comes and says that he needs 15,000 soldiers
[00:21:12] and the Prime Minister
[00:21:14] makes alliances with draft dodgers, when Rabbi Landau, the number one leader, but what does he
[00:21:18] do, make alliances with draft dodgers? No, no, no, no, let me finish, let me
[00:21:22] finish, please, when Rabbi Landau, the number one person, says about
[00:21:25] the soldiers of religious Zionism who fall in war, they are killed because
[00:21:29] their rabbis teach them a distorted Torah, and he says we can live
[00:21:32] without a state with the Arabs, and about the Zionist movement, he says, they
[00:21:36] brought the disasters, the material and not the spiritual disasters, and about
[00:21:39] the army, he says we don't need an army, and this person is
[00:21:42] Benjamin Netanyahu's partner, and you tell me
[00:21:45] campaign, the Chief of Staff raises a flag, we are before
[00:21:48] October 7th.
[00:21:51] I want you to understand, I am not, by the way, I am not going to be political, but why are you
[00:21:54] angry at us? We can be angry at you. What you
[00:21:58] say, if what you say is true, then the most important thing
[00:22:01] is for you to succeed, but in the meantime, it seems you are not doing a good enough job.
[00:22:05] Shahar and I are not running your campaign, it's
[00:22:08] you. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not angry
[00:22:12] at you, I'm speaking from, Yoav, it's clear to me that you're speaking
[00:22:15] from the heart. For example, read what Raviv Drucker writes today
[00:22:19] in Haaretz, that your campaign is quiet,
[00:22:22] almost paralyzed, that Eizenkot is not seen enough, he
[00:22:26] asks why Yoram Cohen is not
[00:22:30] in all the studios, he writes, for example,
[00:22:32] Drucker, and he has a point, in my
[00:22:35] opinion, that two things happened to you that you could have exploited
[00:22:38] greatly: the Fly Dubai flight and the Haredi
[00:22:41] demonstration, and somehow there's no sense
[00:22:45] of momentum. We are campaigning, look, look. So I'll answer
[00:22:49] you, please. We, first of all, I'm not, again, I
[00:22:52] say, I joined Gadi, I manage
[00:22:56] the head of the 100-day team. I didn't ask not to be a member and not
[00:22:59] to be
[00:23:01] a minister and not to be a politician and not to be on the list. Gadi is crisscrossing
[00:23:05] the country, Gadi is in every,
[00:23:08] in every poll, he leads
[00:23:12] in suitability for prime minister. True, we've reached the final
[00:23:15] stretch, true, the last two weeks,
[00:23:18] and especially election day. It's a day when everyone needs
[00:23:22] to come out, and I say, I tell you, and I also tell
[00:23:26] your many listeners, the State of Israel
[00:23:29] is breathing its last with this collection of
[00:23:32] Netanyahu and Goldknopf and Rabbi Landau and Gotlieb
[00:23:36] and Ben-Gvir. We will find them again, the State of Israel
[00:23:40] is standing and breathing its last. Now
[00:23:42] we, we are doing our best,
[00:23:46] Gadi is crisscrossing the country, appearing at three, four
[00:23:50] locations every day and so on. We are aware
[00:23:52] that we need to crisscross the country
[00:23:56] in the last two weeks, to be as precise as possible,
[00:24:00] as pointed as possible, but Yoav, you are really talking about what you want to do afterwards, you are the head of the 100-day
[00:24:03] team, and also the starting point is,
[00:24:07] let's say, the discourse in the political system, you might confirm and explain to us that
[00:24:11] you don't want to be a minister or an MP, but you do aspire to a professional role
[00:24:15] there, meaning to be Director General of the Prime Minister's Office or Cabinet Secretary or some other
[00:24:18] truly managerial role in practice afterwards. And you
[00:24:22] are really looking ahead, let's say. There is a claim
[00:24:25] that the reason you are in negative momentum, really, as Ronnie said
[00:24:28] earlier, is this lack of experience in campaigns, and you say life is not just a campaign,
[00:24:32] but Eizenkot also has no ministerial experience, he was never
[00:24:36] a minister, he was not in contact, meaning he was a minister without any role or portfolio,
[00:24:39] he was never really in contact with the American administration at any stage
[00:24:42] there, he was not in the Knesset for any term where he was just
[00:24:46] an MK, you are simply mistaken and misleading. Why, then I'll start, then
[00:24:56] first of all, he showed great political skill.
[00:25:00] He arranged the bloc in such a way that the bloc is going in such a way that there are no
[00:25:03] parties that
[00:25:06] are likely and likely to be
[00:25:09] under the threshold.
[00:25:13] And yes, Benny Gantz, Benny Gantz
[00:25:16] by half a percent, a phenomenon that is more of a psychological phenomenon.
[00:25:28] What does that mean, "treating"? Is there a chance that somehow you will bring
[00:25:31] him down and he will join you in some way? I
[00:25:35] don't, so again, I, you interview me and I gladly give an interview.
[00:25:39] I don't deal with that. I do know
[00:25:42] that Benny Gantz said in his own words that he will not
[00:25:45] risk votes for change, but I want to touch on
[00:25:49] one point. The point of experience, yes,
[00:25:52] yes, yes, look, I don't
[00:25:55] want, I don't want Netanyahu's experience, and I don't
[00:25:58] want Kish's experience, and I don't want Ben-Gvir's experience, and
[00:26:02] I don't want Yisrael Katz's experience. I
[00:26:05] want something, the people of Israel want change, the people of Israel, this
[00:26:09] experience brought upon us
[00:26:11] October 7th. That's the experience, people want something
[00:26:15] new, Benny Gantz was
[00:26:18] saying, yes, but don't you think there's importance to some kind of experience,
[00:26:22] Gadi Eizenkot, Gadi Eizenkot no, Gadi Eizenkot was
[00:26:26] Chief of Staff, 40-something years in the army,
[00:26:29] ah, member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, he established.
[00:26:45] So I'm explaining to you that when the people of Israel want change, the people of Israel want something new, the people of Israel don't want
[00:26:49] the same people who brought disaster upon them. The people of Israel want
[00:26:52] people who claim, "Look, no problem, we don't want Netanyahu, bring us
[00:26:56] someone who was," Lieberman who was a security minister, Bennett who was prime
[00:26:59] minister, Lapid who was prime minister, meaning your side also claims.
[00:27:04] What do you mean "claims"? What do you mean "claims"? Gadi Eizenkot
[00:27:08] has been leading the bloc for several
[00:27:12] months now. If people thought that Avigdor
[00:27:15] Lieberman or Naftali Bennett or Yair Lapid
[00:27:18] should be prime minister, you would see that in the polls. They don't want
[00:27:22] them. They want and therefore, and therefore it's
[00:27:25] far-fetched. People want Gadi Eizenkot. People want
[00:27:29] change. Okay, I want to ask you about the uproar that happened
[00:27:33] in Bennett's camp about his statement. It seems to me it was yesterday
[00:27:36] that Netanyahu can be a minister in the next government
[00:27:40] that you will form. Why is that an impossible
[00:27:43] and illogical option
[00:27:45] for you? After all, it's possible that in the end, the only option
[00:27:49] will be a unity government. Is that something
[00:27:53] you completely rule out? I'll say, I'm asking this,
[00:27:57] I'm asking this, just a second, Yoav, I'm asking from a place where I think many
[00:28:00] people are already tired
[00:28:02] of boycotts. Ah, first of all,
[00:28:05] technically it's impossible, but
[00:28:08] I, I'll address it substantively. Technically, he cannot
[00:28:12] be, because of the legal issue, but I
[00:28:14] didn't join Gadi
[00:28:16] Eizenkot to meet Bibi
[00:28:20] again, not as a minister, not as a deputy minister, he
[00:28:23] is not. minister.
[00:28:26] responsible for the October disaster, he
[00:28:29] is responsible for the biggest disaster that happened in the country.
[00:28:49] There is a change bloc that will form the next government. I am much more
[00:28:53] optimistic than you. I see the trends. The one
[00:28:56] who will form the next government is Gadi Eisenkot
[00:29:00] and the parties of the change bloc. They will get more
[00:29:04] than 61 seats. You know, you sound exactly like your
[00:29:08] former friends, Likud spokesmen who come and say
[00:29:11] these lies are an absolute lie and everything is fine. We
[00:29:15] will get
[00:29:16] 64.
[00:29:19] In the end, in practice, it doesn't converge. Right now you are sitting
[00:29:23] and telling us, look, Netanyahu has these partners
[00:29:26] along with Goulkanov, he helps draft dodgers and so on, but
[00:29:30] you also need to form a government for all of it. You will need
[00:29:33] Ra'am. Your partners have complexities
[00:29:36] with them. Currently, according to the numbers, it seems you will also need the Joint
[00:29:39] List. I remind you that in the change government, this created
[00:29:43] quite a few problems when Ra'am was the most moderate party
[00:29:45] there. So you certainly
[00:29:49] heard, I will repeat, the partners in the government
[00:29:53] will be those who want a Zionist, Jewish
[00:29:57] and liberal Israel, who believe in the values of the Declaration
[00:29:59] of Independence,
[00:30:02] in the army and know that Hamas,
[00:30:06] Hamas must be destroyed. This does not converge to these
[00:30:09] numbers. Listen, I am telling you, in life there are
[00:30:12] values. These are the people, the people who stand
[00:30:16] behind these four principles are the ones who will be. By the way,
[00:30:20] the Haredi community that is with Netanyahu is not
[00:30:23] Zionist in this context. What is that? What are
[00:30:27] those? Most of the Haredi
[00:30:30] Knesset members served in the army.
[00:31:15] what is it called? So I'll tell you, I
[00:31:18] recommend to the guys from the Likud
[00:31:21] to look closely, search closely in their pockets and look closely to the right
[00:31:25] and left. I am in contact with quite a few Knesset members
[00:31:28] from the Likud, I come from the Likud, I come from the right, also now you are
[00:31:31] in contact, so that they don't build in contact all the time, all the time, wait,
[00:31:35] here comes a headline and there are already candidates, there are already
[00:31:37] ah, there are, there are, I recommend to them,
[00:31:40] I recommend to them to check their people very well,
[00:31:44] but'.
[00:32:15] It wouldn't have happened, but again I ask why, why? Because I
[00:32:19] look, you know, also the partners, it's not just the Likud, also your partners
[00:32:22] in the bloc, you know that picture that was spread of
[00:32:25] the Yisrael Beiteinu party list when they replace some people
[00:32:29] in the picture of Idit Silman claiming they are
[00:32:32] the Silmans,
[00:32:35] that's contemptible in my opinion, why? Because
[00:32:39] those people you're talking about
[00:32:42] are exactly the people.
[00:32:45] that we want in the change government.
[00:32:49] What are we, what are we looking for? I am actually looking for Matan Kahana
[00:32:52] and Yosef Peretz and Elazar Stern and Shira
[00:32:56] and we are looking exactly,
[00:32:59] yourselves somehow there is some they signed something, they promised they would
[00:33:03] resign, the understanding, you know, Gadi Eisenkot is a leader,
[00:33:07] the understanding and the promise
[00:33:10] of all, all the future Knesset members, that if there is
[00:33:14] someone who can't live with certain
[00:33:17] things, he hands in his keys, he resigns from the Knesset, he doesn't take the
[00:33:20] mandate. Did they sign an agreement or is it an oral
[00:33:24] understanding, Roni, Roni, we, I learned in life, I come
[00:33:27] from business, no paper, no paper, it's not worth it, if it's not
[00:33:31] believed in. We shake hands
[00:33:34] with Gadi Eisenkot, and tell him, give him this promise, that if
[00:33:37] something doesn't look right, they get up and leave, and don't take
[00:33:40] the mandate. I think that's the answer. By the way, one more question,
[00:33:44] Ben. Really, before the end, we talked about this throughout the week, all the time
[00:33:47] there are these fears of escalations with Iran and how this whole thing is handled
[00:33:51] and the midterm elections in the United States. Are you in touch with the American
[00:33:54] administration? Is Gadi in touch with the American administration
[00:33:57] in preparation for such a possibility of your government
[00:34:01] suddenly having no choice and we have to strike them right before
[00:34:04] the elections? So, I don't, I don't
[00:34:08] deal with politics like that, and I'm not the
[00:34:11] person to ask. Gadi Eisenkot, by the way, has,
[00:34:15] as far as I know, excellent connections with the American
[00:34:18] administration, also as a former
[00:34:20] Chief of Staff.
[00:34:23] But, but, but you gave me a question. I
[00:34:25] want to, and also and also the head of the team is
[00:34:29] in good contact with, with very good contact. What exactly
[00:34:33] was done, who said what to whom and when these days, I'm not the person to ask
[00:34:36] him. Okay, well, that was very interesting. Yoav Horovitz, thank you very much
[00:34:40] for this conversation, head of the 100 days team of Yisrael
[00:34:44] Beiteinu, former CEO.
[00:34:47] Ah, thank you, thank
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[00:39:51] good morning, our political commentator, political
[00:39:54] commentator, or how did I get you into this.
[00:40:02] our, you know, I want to share
[00:40:05] with you,
[00:40:08] a dialogue between two voices in my head, okay?
[00:40:12] Okay, I wrote to Yoav Horowitz who was interviewed here before you, head of Gadi
[00:40:15] Eisenkot's hundred days team, can Bibi
[00:40:19] be a minister in your government? This is regarding everything that happened with
[00:40:22] Bennet, and suddenly I told myself, what are you
[00:40:25] talking about, look at the polls.
[00:40:27] He's going to win big, like
[00:40:31] change the masses Well, first of all,
[00:40:35] that question
[00:40:38] is a question that someone put that voice in your head because
[00:40:41] Netanyahu, first of all, legally cannot be a minister. Yes, I understood
[00:40:45] theoretically. But let's say they change the law,
[00:40:49] from our acquaintance with the persona, he has
[00:40:52] two states, either Prime Minister or
[00:40:55] an alternative to Prime Minister in opposition. I don't know anything
[00:40:59] else. In the recent
[00:41:03] and not so recent period, and let's
[00:41:05] say where did this voice come from? First of all, it came yesterday from some
[00:41:09] meeting that Bennet
[00:41:12] attended, where he said cynically,
[00:41:16] you can hear the recording, that if Netanyahu
[00:41:20] accepts all my conditions and wants to be a minister, he should call
[00:41:23] me. That was roughly the wording. More interesting, in my
[00:41:27] opinion, is the response to it, because the response to it is part of a crazy
[00:41:31] cannibalization campaign within the opposition
[00:41:34] right now, in which, after Bennet said that, instead of just
[00:41:38] ignoring it, because it's
[00:41:40] a statement said as a response to a question without any
[00:41:44] intention, they pounced on him, one by one,
[00:41:47] from the parties that are in his camp.
[00:41:50] And I want to take us for a moment to other things that are flying under
[00:41:54] the radar in that cannibalization campaign.
[00:41:57] So yesterday I open Ma'ariv newspaper and there
[00:42:00] it says that Bennet's party will disintegrate or
[00:42:04] will go to Netanyahu after
[00:42:07] the elections. I open Ynet and I see
[00:42:11] that Eisenkot's party
[00:42:14] will go to Netanyahu after the elections and I open Channel 12 News
[00:42:17] in the evening and Dafna Liel broadcasts
[00:42:21] an item about the "drinking" campaign but there's a leaked
[00:42:24] video, you don't see me making air quotes with my
[00:42:27] fingers
[00:42:29] leaked of Shaul Meridor and he
[00:42:33] explains and I went before the broadcast to make sure I remembered
[00:42:36] correctly
[00:42:39] that Yisrael Beiteinu must be a big party more than Netanyahu
[00:42:42] to attract its camp, because
[00:42:45] otherwise Netanyahu will get the mandate and the Speaker of the Knesset will not
[00:42:49] be replaced. Now I know that you can say anything
[00:42:52] to anyone and the listeners are already
[00:42:55] tired and weary of procedures, but there's simply
[00:42:58] no connection, to replace a Speaker of the Knesset, you can replace a Speaker of the Knesset
[00:43:01] with a majority vote, and getting a mandate from the President is a completely different matter, there's no
[00:43:05] connection between the two things. What's common to all these things
[00:43:09] is indeed, ah,
[00:43:12] they wake up in the morning, every party, they already understand
[00:43:16] that there's almost no movement between blocs, and it's much easier to draw from the one next to you than
[00:43:20] from the one opposite you, and that's what's common to all of it,
[00:43:23] and therefore your question about, can
[00:43:27] Netanyahu be a minister in Bennet's government, which was the pretext for attacking Bennet yesterday,
[00:43:30] it's just part of that internal struggle within
[00:43:34] the camp. And if I But let's take, let's really
[00:43:37] go in the direction that Roni ah ah
[00:43:40] was hinting at before. Meaning, we look and try to predict ahead, in terms of
[00:43:43] trends, even, you know what, even within the
[00:43:46] opposition bloc, is there a trend that you identify,
[00:43:50] that is changing recently, someone who is running a better
[00:43:54] campaign and loves others or even between
[00:43:58] blocs, a clear trend emerging?
[00:44:01] I, I'll say this, since they say it's hard to predict
[00:44:05] the future, I want to try to predict the past
[00:44:09] and... This means that in all the polls
[00:44:12] that both of you know very well
[00:44:15] in recent months there is one result and the result
[00:44:19] says there is no clear outcome now for us in the media it's not
[00:44:22] comfortable to say this because it turns the it lowers
[00:44:26] the ratings and makes the action less interesting
[00:44:29] but suppose I believe all the polls
[00:44:33] and I exclude the poll by Pilber which says that Netanyahu
[00:44:36] wins and forms a government easily I exclude that.
[00:44:40] This means there is no clear outcome and we go to repeat elections or something
[00:44:44] like that. Now
[00:44:47] why do I say it's easier to predict the past? Because it happened, so
[00:44:51] we are talking as if how can such a thing happen that a government won't
[00:44:54] be formed? But excuse me, it didn't form if I take
[00:44:58] the last five election campaigns in 2019 A, no government
[00:45:00] formed, in B, no government formed,
[00:45:03] in 20, actually a government formed for two
[00:45:06] and a half seconds and then fell apart, in 21 a government formed for two
[00:45:10] seconds and then fell apart and then the last government formed which was a narrow
[00:45:14] government.
[00:45:17] But I don't understand why the scenario of joining Arab parties is so
[00:45:21] sci-fi.
[00:45:23] Because, first of all, let's go by promises, because I
[00:45:27] don't care about promises, come on, no, no, so I said I'll
[00:45:30] start just to put the
[00:45:33] framework, yes, Lieberman demanded to disqualify Ra'am
[00:45:36] from running for Knesset, not just from being with him in government.
[00:45:40] Bennet disqualified the Arab parties,
[00:45:43] the Economic, Yoaz, also, if we combine everyone, basically
[00:45:46] the only one who doesn't disqualify a temporary minority government and also not
[00:45:50] in government, is Gadi Eisenkot, so let's start with that.
[00:45:53] Now, if I take this deeper into political
[00:45:56] interpretation, why would they do that? Why would Bennet
[00:46:00] and Lieberman give Gadi Eisenkot this gift of
[00:46:03] being a temporary prime minister with the Arabs? Break
[00:46:06] a promise so that he would be prime minister, fulfilled the promise.
[00:46:10] A promise and you benefit from it, but breaking a promise so that your rival
[00:46:13] benefits from it, let's just say that I have
[00:46:16] not yet seen such philanthropy, and if Lieberman
[00:46:20] comes and says, they say something is brewing with Lieberman, if Lieberman comes
[00:46:23] and says okay, I'm breaking a promise, but I'll be prime
[00:46:26] minister,
[00:46:29] that certainly makes sense, but then he'll also need
[00:46:32] Bennet also
[00:46:35] to have reasons to support Eisenkot. Will he
[00:46:38] support it in his opinion? Will he have a choice?
[00:46:42] I think that if Bennet
[00:46:45] and Lieberman are bigger than Eisenkot, we
[00:46:48] might find ourselves with them forming a technical union after
[00:46:52] the elections. And they'll say, we are presenting ourselves as candidates
[00:46:55] for prime minister, as we said, a right-wing prime minister, like
[00:46:59] we are more than Eisenkot. I think that this blueprint is
[00:47:03] than on the table,
[00:47:06] and this is part, this is part of the reason why Eisenkot
[00:47:10] is doing everything to diminish them, I have to say right now with considerable
[00:47:13] success, and I repeat here
[00:47:16] right now with considerable success. Look, in the meantime, it's not, I don't know
[00:47:19] how much success it is, I'm looking again, I'm going back to the poll we had yesterday.
[00:47:24] mandates, they both, if I'm not mistaken, have 20 mandates together, meaning it's not
[00:47:27] a dizzying success.
[00:47:30] Ah, I think that's why you're talking to me.
[00:47:33] I can state the present, I know how to say, we all know
[00:47:37] how to say. I think, I think
[00:47:40] that a drinking campaign,
[00:47:43] once A.I. decided to run it, it will be effective,
[00:47:47] because the public, and I don't want to mention names of
[00:47:51] my family members. Family members who asked me and I was
[00:47:54] shocked because they sometimes listen to me and they also explained to me that
[00:47:58] what's important is the big party and not the big bloc for people
[00:48:01] who will open it on election day and they will see Gadi or
[00:48:05] Bibi and they will see that it's close and there's
[00:48:08] like, I don't know, 20 to 22 for one
[00:48:11] side, they will go to save the homeland, that's also
[00:48:15] predicting, as it's called, predicting the past, it happened previous times, there
[00:48:19] are tendencies. This is what is called the "drinking" effect.
[00:48:23] That is, the implications of what you are saying is that those who are likely
[00:48:27] to be hurt if indeed in the last few days everyone is moving towards the big parties are
[00:48:30] the small parties in both blocs, except that in the coalition bloc the small
[00:48:34] parties are closer to the electoral threshold, also Smotrich with five mandates
[00:48:37] currently, also Winter with four.
[00:48:41] And Handel and Zelihah on the other side, meaning, do you see it affecting them too, or are there more
[00:48:45] strategic voters there? So that's it, I want to make a distinction. In the opposition bloc, I
[00:48:49] think there's a very good chance it will happen. And only
[00:48:53] because Gadi Eisenkot is simply working on it, and these
[00:48:57] are no longer items that I published, this is a clear
[00:49:00] campaign that was published yesterday, as it's called,
[00:49:04] in his name and voice and picture by a senior member of the list,
[00:49:08] and it's completely clear to us that there's a
[00:49:11] message there, and the message is, we must be a big party to
[00:49:14] defeat Netanyahu, no matter the reasons. In the coalition bloc,
[00:49:18] there's a much more fragile event
[00:49:21] because there's a fear that parties won't pass the electoral threshold, and I don't
[00:49:25] want to predict, but it's possible that there will be a reverse process, meaning people
[00:49:28] will say, we must save Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Winter,
[00:49:31] and we'll actually see a reverse process here, because the Likud is big enough, meaning there
[00:49:35] it's also possible that the "drinking" will be reversed, there's a kind
[00:49:38] of game theory here that if one grows, the other also grows
[00:49:42] from the other side, but yes, it's very possible that the narrative in the right
[00:49:46] bloc is who will not pass, and the narrative in the opposition
[00:49:49] bloc is, will it also.
[00:50:26] I, allow me for a moment to stick to one thing in the world
[00:50:29] of data, okay? And this is a kind of
[00:50:32] answer, but this is how
[00:50:36] we see that for the first time in these elections, and I checked this
[00:50:39] from 2009, Netanyahu is the less
[00:50:42] leading candidate in a head-to-head race. Meaning, the candidate
[00:50:46] against whom he is leading. This was not the case with Livni, this was not the case with Gantz, this was not the case with
[00:50:50] Herzog. They always he led against them, and in the end he
[00:50:54] also won, ultimately. Are you talking about
[00:50:57] the numbers, the numbers of mandates, or in terms of suitability,
[00:51:01] suitability, it was never the case, after
[00:51:04] I said that, we know
[00:51:07] that there is, meaning, it indicates dissatisfaction with him.
[00:51:11] The second problem is that there is a ceiling for Eisenkot's bloc
[00:51:15] because of the issue of the Arabs. Netanyahu ran an effective campaign
[00:51:19] here, and when he connects voting for a bloc to voting for parties.
[00:51:22] with a coalition, it deters a large part
[00:51:25] of the undecided voters. The meaning of this could definitely be a move
[00:51:29] to the centrist parties you mentioned. Very
[00:51:33] interesting, Moshe Klogft, as usual, it
[00:51:36] was dramatic silence. Yes, it was
[00:51:39] fascinating and intriguing. I am
[00:51:43] sure we will talk to you again soon. Thank
[00:54:34] undecided. There are no blocs, yes,
[00:54:36] like people who come to you and say Shachar, you know, you
[00:54:40] know, recommend to us, yes, yes, between whom
[00:54:44] Netanyahu, Eisenkot,
[00:54:47] like that, pretty, yes, do you know? I,
[00:54:50] um, good question, I don't even
[00:54:54] know, suddenly I realize, I don't know what
[00:54:57] everyone around me votes for, ah,
[00:55:00] some I know, but I really, yesterday, yesterday I
[00:55:04] had. A day of filming for a movie I'm making here for the corporation and then
[00:55:07] I walked around a lot in the street
[00:55:10] and a lot of people stopped me as if I was
[00:55:13] some political expert and many people told me you
[00:55:17] know them, you sat with them, but it was
[00:55:20] all dilemmas within the bloc so then many asked
[00:55:24] me about Eisenkot vs. Bennet so first of all these are really dilemmas that I see
[00:55:28] a lot mainly within the bloc and especially really Eisenkot vs. Bennet is a very
[00:55:32] very significant battle. I think that there is, that it just made me
[00:55:35] suddenly realize that after all, besides
[00:55:38] the persona, what is the big difference between Eisenkot and Bennet?
[00:55:42] Yes, persona, the lists and so on, but really, but really
[00:55:46] in the end the thesis is the same thesis and the campaign is the same campaign.
[00:55:49] But the undecided voters between the blocs, that interested me and I tried to understand
[00:55:53] and I found out that I have two types of such friends. One is, I try to surround
[00:55:56] myself with people who don't understand politics at all and then they just come to me, they really don't understand
[00:56:00] a word and tell me Shachar, whoever you tell me to vote for, I will vote for and I of course
[00:56:04] do not get into that mess. And the second thing, and you
[00:56:07] know, we had an ad about a month ago, 10 seconds, so
[00:56:11] then we'll touch on that later, we'll continue after that, the next hour is very interesting, it will also
[00:56:14] have a story about a person who was eaten by a tiger, it's
[00:56:17] fascinating, it's always interesting, worth
[01:00:15] Hello everyone, we are the news update for the hour. The second consecutive day
[01:00:18] of Mandel's testimony, the former legal advisor to the government,
[01:00:21] and today this testimony is interrupted mid-way due to
[01:00:25] a confrontation in the courtroom. Shelly Tapir joins us on the line. Hello
[01:00:29] Shelly, hello Keren, so indeed, as
[01:00:32] you mentioned, a rare argument in very high tones
[01:00:35] between Netanyahu's lawyer, attorney Amit
[01:00:38] Haddad, and the prosecutor Pirush
[01:00:41] on the second day of that very dramatic testimony
[01:00:45] of Avichai Mandelblit.
[01:00:47] He stood on the witness stand in complete
[01:00:51] discomfort. Attorney Haddad tells
[01:00:54] the prosecutor, they took a legal advisor and set him up.
[01:00:57] I will not leave the privacy, because she is the one who filed
[01:01:01] this case. I understand the distress, because there is someone
[01:01:04] sitting here for whom this is the case of her life. The prosecutor
[01:01:07] bursts out, my life is my family. We are all prosecutors doing
[01:01:11] our job. The privacy is not the accused here. What insolence.
[01:01:15] Following these unusual words, Judge Rebecca
[01:01:18] Friedman-Pelleg actually ordered a recess in the hearing. She summoned
[01:01:22] the parties to the judges' chambers, presumably
[01:01:25] to tell them to lower their voices. And a few
[01:01:29] minutes ago, the hearing resumed. All parties are already
[01:01:32] in the courtroom, and the questions continue. Perhaps they are trying to project
[01:01:35] business as usual, Keren, but the emotions and the level
[01:01:39] of hostility between the prosecutors and the prosecution
[01:01:42] are reaching a peak with the former legal advisor's testimony.
[01:01:46] Shelly, thank you.
[01:01:51] corruption scandal is exposed. The mayor of Kfar Saba and his wife
[01:01:54] are arrested on suspicion of receiving cash
[01:01:57] and thereby rigging tenders. Hadas Grinberg, our correspondent, we are coming
[01:02:01] to you with all the details that can be said about this case.
[01:02:04] Yes, hello. Yes, we are talking about a new corruption scandal that was exposed today by Yaha,
[01:02:08] in which the mayor of Kfar Saba, Rafi Saar, the CEO of the
[01:02:12] Economic Company, public figures, and businessmen were arrested. A total of 17
[01:02:15] arrests. We are talking about an investigation that began a year ago,
[01:02:19] during which it emerged that tenders in the municipality were operated in a bribery relationship in almost
[01:02:23] every possible field. Tenders that were reserved for cronies, businessmen,
[01:02:26] and also criminals, and in return for the mayor's consent,
[01:02:30] she received bundles of cash.
[01:02:33] These tenders covered almost everything: projects for renovating educational institutions, entertainment
[01:02:37] complexes, urban renewal, and more. We are talking about a bribery
[01:02:40] amount estimated at millions. Hundreds
[01:02:43] of thousands of shekels were seized at the mayor's home. We are talking about
[01:02:47] incidents that allegedly occurred from 2019, a year after
[01:02:50] Mayor Ofsar was elected to his position. The suspicions are bribery,
[01:02:54] fraud, breach of trust, and money laundering. This afternoon, all
[01:02:58] the suspects will be brought for arraignment.
[01:03:01] Yes, Hadas Grinberg, thank you very much. We are 15 days from the elections.
[01:03:05] Yisrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Liberman says on Kan News
[01:03:08] on Network B that he is not worried about a Kan News poll that indicates
[01:03:12] a reversal of forces between the blocs. In fact,
[01:03:15] Netanyahu's bloc is leading. He says that the bloc of draft dodgers, as he calls it, has no
[01:03:19] chance of forming the next government. In an interview with Keren Nozen, he
[01:03:23] also referred to Naftali Bennett's comments last night that Netanyahu could
[01:03:26] serve as a minister in the government. Here is Netanyahu. He
[01:03:30] will not be in the next government, not even as Minister of Regional
[01:03:33] Cooperation. Period. He simply will not be there, and therefore
[01:03:37] there will be no non-Arab or Haredi parties. And I tell you
[01:03:41] that in other parties, the bloc of those who serve, we will bring
[01:03:44] a solid majority. Precisely now this tension, it somewhat
[01:03:48] injects motivation and adrenaline into the bloc
[01:03:51] of those who serve.
[01:03:54] This morning, the IDF fired an interceptor missile towards a suspected aerial target that was identified
[01:03:58] in southern Lebanon. No alerts were activated in Israel. This incident is under investigation,
[01:04:02] while at the same time, reports from Lebanon indicate the restoration of Hezbollah's
[01:04:05] military capabilities and the development of drones
[01:04:09] capable of carrying up to six kilograms of
[01:04:12] explosives and attacking deep inside Israel. It was also noted that
[01:04:15] the organization has increased its security measures for fear
[01:04:18] of Israeli assassinations and has also evacuated offices and apartments
[01:04:21] quickly.
[01:04:24] And in Britain, pay attention to this, they found an original solution for ski
[01:04:28] enthusiasts who don't have snow.
[01:04:42] Well, there's nowhere to ski. These are basically blocks of ice tied to their feet, a wet
[01:04:45] road, cleaning material. This is a suburb near London where a strange
[01:04:49] ski competition was held. It must be said that the participants simply slid
[01:04:52] down a street, some in bathtubs. Even the police
[01:04:56] joined the celebration. The organizers claim that this is an Olympic
[01:05:00] sport for the era of climate change. The winner reached the finish
[01:05:03] line in just 11 and a quarter
[01:05:40] Second hour of Kubanovic. You know, yesterday
[01:05:44] as I said, I had a very Tel Avivian day of filming.
[01:05:47] And I love Tel Aviv and I live in it, but I almost never
[01:05:51] hang out there because I'm always either working or with the kids. Poor me,
[01:05:54] I looked at people and I said to myself:
[01:05:57] It could be that most people
[01:06:01] in the world don't walk around with that feeling
[01:06:04] of urgency, the urgency that I always walk around with, elections, you
[01:06:08] know, there's nothing to do, hosting this show affects me, like
[01:06:11] maybe also these statements,
[01:06:15] Porovitz said,
[01:06:18] if we lose, Israel is taking its last
[01:06:21] breaths, or the hosts on television, crucial
[01:06:24] elections, you always walk around with a feeling
[01:06:27] that... If the person you don't want wins,
[01:06:31] boom, they give it like, you know, as
[01:06:34] they sometimes say, the country is gone.
[01:06:37] And I said to myself, wait, maybe if I wasn't hosting
[01:06:40] Kubanovic, I could sit on the beach
[01:06:44] and forget that there are elections in two weeks. I definitely find myself
[01:06:47] always being the national calm-down who tells people, don't worry, believe me, the state
[01:06:51] of Israel has experienced 26 election campaigns in which they promised us that if
[01:06:55] the other side wins, the country will be destroyed, and it has survived.
[01:06:58] So why? So why, but this time there is
[01:07:01] a feeling that it's more... You see, we've been on
[01:07:05] an emotional roller coaster for the past three years since October 7th, and even before
[01:07:08] that, the judicial legislation and the battle and so on. We are
[01:07:12] indeed more fractured than usual, but let's just say, I wasn't
[01:07:15] here, you were, but from
[01:07:18] my history lessons and my knowledge, I want
[01:07:21] to guess that in the elections around the Oslo Accords, during Rabin's
[01:07:25] time, there was also a lot of division, or the Reparations Agreement, or all sorts
[01:07:28] of other things even earlier. Meaning, there were turbulent times
[01:07:31] in Israel. I'm going back for a moment to what we talked about earlier, but
[01:07:34] about the undecided between the blocs,
[01:07:38] exactly, that's the thing. I try to surround myself with people who aren't affected by this, who aren't
[01:07:42] interested. You ask them how they were or what's happening to them today, they're busy with completely
[01:07:45] different things and they really have no idea which bloc
[01:07:48] to vote for, and I think that the second segment of undecideds
[01:07:52] that I encounter is a month ago we published it, what is called from the Likud
[01:07:56] campaign, in their data they call it third generation in Israel
[01:08:00] of Mizrahi Jews, meaning in the end we are talking about
[01:08:03] people from families in the Mizrahi periphery
[01:08:07] whose parents vote Likud and they less so, and each
[01:08:10] of these audiences has a different approach. Because
[01:08:21] in the end, there is a very large audience among young people who say, "I vote
[01:08:24] for whoever is more of a man, for whoever I like more, for my brother." They have no idea what the meaning of this is,
[01:08:28] and this campaign and the campaign
[01:08:31] for the undecided audience whose
[01:08:33] parents... this is a campaign that really touches on more
[01:08:36] delicate matters. I hear their arguments, so one of the campaigns they are working on
[01:08:40] is truly, "they went with the Arabs." Yesterday, I heard such an argument from one undecided voter who said,
[01:08:44] "Listen, my parents always voted for Netanyahu, I can't not vote
[01:08:48] for Netanyahu. On the other hand, I want an alternative, but if I vote
[01:08:51] for Alizqot and it ends up with the Arabs, I'll eat myself up. So maybe I won't vote or I'll vote
[01:08:54] for Netanyahu." Meaning, it also sits on some very large family tradition,
[01:08:58] and also on some fear of sitting with the Arabs, as Kollogfat said,
[01:09:01] this campaign works. And I think these are the audiences that are still moving
[01:09:05] between the blocs. I want, I want before
[01:09:09] before. Yoaz Hendel,
[01:09:12] just one more thing, a small lesson in civics, okay? When we talk
[01:09:15] all the time about the number of voters and the electoral threshold,
[01:09:18] for example, I know there's a very Tel
[01:09:21] Avivian discourse around me about people coming
[01:09:25] from abroad, the planes that landed here. I also know quite a few people who bought
[01:09:28] tickets and are coming to vote. To what extent,
[01:09:31] for example, can that change things? So
[01:09:34] there are several variables that no one knows how to quantify, meaning
[01:09:37] that's one of them, you know, when you ask all the campaign managers and in the end they all don't know
[01:09:41] how to quantify it. Ah, ah, they talked at the time about 50,000 people, and then
[01:09:44] the election committee, the Likud sued against
[01:09:47] this story of the planes, and the organization that said it was bringing them, said that in total it has
[01:09:50] five planes, meaning five flights coming here
[01:09:54] on its behalf. I don't know how many independent ones there are, but that's a figure they can't quantify. The second
[01:09:57] figure they can't quantify is what the voter turnout will be, of course. The third
[01:10:01] figure is the immigrants
[01:10:03] from Russia and Ukraine. In this war between Russia and Ukraine,
[01:10:07] 100,000 people immigrated here. You don't know if they will vote or not.
[01:10:10] And also, you know, in the end, it's another mandate.
[01:10:34] Every mandate changes things, sometimes even 500 or 10,000 votes,
[01:10:38] that's the extra mandate due to surplus votes and everything.
[01:10:41] The mathematical complexity of the D'Hondt method, there is
[01:10:44] a long complexity here, but this is also a figure that people find it difficult
[01:10:47] to estimate, and also how many disappointed Haredim will not vote. These are more or less
[01:10:51] the figures that most campaigns cannot estimate. Okay,
[01:10:55] excellent time to turn to the chairman of the Economic Reservists party,
[01:10:58] Yoaz Hendel. Hello,
[01:11:01] good morning. Are you worried that suddenly 50,000 people landed here
[01:11:05] of them coming to Israel and taking
[01:11:09] part in what is needed. Both in voting and in defending the homeland
[01:11:12] and also in building the... You
[01:11:15] raise an eyebrow in your opinion,
[01:11:18] but is it legitimate that there will be such a big influence
[01:11:22] on Israelis who left the country? I am in favor
[01:11:25] of Israelis coming to the country and every step that can bring them here, even if it's to come
[01:11:28] and vote and remember that this country is important to them, in my opinion, is positive.
[01:11:32] And I am sure that there are enough people there who look at the political
[01:11:35] system and don't want us to get stuck and don't want us to have more elections. They understand
[01:11:38] this and don't want a government of either one bloc with Haredi
[01:11:42] parties or another bloc with Arab parties that get us stuck
[01:11:46] and lead us nowhere. And therefore they will understand that we
[01:11:49] are their solution. I want to quote you Dudi Hassid, our dear
[01:11:53] pollster, who said this morning
[01:11:55] here on Reshet Bet that in the end, four mandates
[01:11:59] don't work in real time. We look back at Eretz Lo
[01:12:03] Tzlacha in the previous elections and before that, we look and it
[01:12:06] didn't work for Bennett and it didn't work for the Zehut party. In the end, when a party
[01:12:09] is wavering, at the moment of truth
[01:12:13] it doesn't cross the electoral threshold. I want to quote you that
[01:12:16] same pollster who said yesterday on your broadcast that we are very
[01:12:20] very close to the fifth mandate and the truth is that on Friday in the Israel
[01:12:24] Hayom poll we were already close to the sixth mandate. I am convinced that we will be
[01:12:27] the protest vote of the state of Israel. People will put
[01:12:30] D in the ballot box because they are fed up with exactly what you were talking about. You talked earlier about
[01:12:34] what is different now? We are after three years of war. We commemorated last
[01:12:38] week. I was in a kibbutz in the mountains. Everything was flooded
[01:12:42] for me. The fighting there, there is no one in the state of Israel
[01:12:45] in the Zionist sphere who has not lost someone in their first,
[01:12:48] second or third circle, or who has not had someone injured next to them or who has
[01:12:52] is what is different. All election campaigns,
[01:12:56] and this is the dramatic event, and I am 100% convinced that despite what
[01:12:59] you see on television and despite the media and despite
[01:13:02] the discourse oh, you disappeared
[01:13:05] from us. We are going to the same place. People are fed up.
[01:13:09] They are not willing, they are not willing for what was to be. But then always,
[01:13:13] then at this moment in the conversation with you, we always get
[01:13:15] to the practicalities. So describe
[01:13:19] the scenario. Okay, you reached five or six
[01:13:21] mandates. The elections are over. The
[01:13:25] big parties, the big rivalry will be,
[01:13:28] who will be prime minister? So,
[01:13:31] let's start as you requested. If you could just improve
[01:13:34] your position, because you're cut off precisely at the most
[01:13:37] interesting answers.
[01:13:40] I, I will try. I will try, I will try to touch
[01:13:44] on the practicalities. We are in a reality
[01:13:47] where, if we go to the Polimarket website, most Israelis
[01:13:50] are betting that we are heading for more elections. We are stuck.
[01:13:53] I put zero percent chance that anyone will succeed in forming a government, if there isn't
[01:13:57] the reservists and the economy. The moment there are the reservists, we
[01:14:00] are looking, wait, wait, wait, let me explain, you asked me,
[01:14:03] I will give you the practicalities, the moment we are there, we are the only ones
[01:14:07] in what was called the third bloc that everyone eulogized, and it seems to me that Shahar also
[01:14:11] eulogized it quite a bit, but but I but Yoaz, I
[01:14:15] again, the third bloc is a very nice statement,
[01:14:18] but in fact, yesterday we divided it this way: 53
[01:14:22] for Netanyahu's bloc, 50 for Gantz's bloc. But in fact, why don't
[01:14:25] you share? What's the difference between you and Naftali Bennett? You say we won't
[01:14:29] sit with the Haredim. He says you say we won't sit with the Arabs. He says you
[01:14:33] say a Zionist government. Meaning, both of you in the end, if Gantz reaches 61, you are
[01:14:37] part of Gantz's bloc. If neither of the blocs succeeds, everyone plays
[01:14:40] with the cards they have. Why are you in a separate bloc? What is the actual difference
[01:14:44] between you? I don't understand. Four parties sit,
[01:14:47] they say we are in a bloc, a bloc of "just not Bibi." Someone stands before you, you interview someone
[01:14:51] who tells you "I'm not in their bloc," and you ask me why I'm not in their bloc? I'm not in their bloc.
[01:15:07] There are non-Zionist Arab or Haredi parties. In my opinion, the Arab parties that don't recognize
[01:15:10] Hamas as a terrorist organization, there's nothing I can sit with them for. And the same goes for the Haredi
[01:15:14] parties.
[01:15:18] Yoav Orbach said here that we will bring 61 mandates of Zionists.
[01:15:22] Second, I'm not. I didn't choose to be. Ask them why. They chose to form
[01:15:26] a bloc called "just not Bibi." Why with all these parties
[01:15:29] together? What do they agree on? That's not me. You're interviewing me. I want
[01:15:33] to present to you the practicalities, as you asked me. And the practicalities
[01:15:36] in my opinion are that it's the only party that is in a space
[01:15:39] that is capable. But the numbers today are not in the numbers today. It's
[01:15:42] elections. One second, one second. If you allow me to answer completely, I think
[01:15:46] you will understand me. Okay, I again go back to the basics, okay? Because
[01:15:50] you interrupted my answer in the middle. One, you are right, if
[01:15:53] there are no reservists, we are definitely heading for more elections.
[01:15:57] No one should tell you otherwise. The campaign of the big party will start soon. Whoever votes for the big
[01:16:01] party should remember Blue and White. They stand on stage with 36 mandates
[01:16:05] three times, celebrating, and then they can't form a government. In the morning, they realize they need
[01:16:08] a coalition of 61. So first of all, you are right. Second, the only
[01:16:12] way that this will not happen is if our party, the Reservists
[01:16:16] and the Economy, are strong enough, and we manage to form a Zionist
[01:16:19] coalition. How do we do
[01:16:22] that?
[01:16:25] How do we do it? First of all, we don't join either of the blocs,
[01:16:29] because that's the central thesis. For years they've been trying to brainwash
[01:16:33] you, you have to either sit with Haredi or Arab parties, choose.
[01:16:36] You have to choose now. How do you do it? You take the non-large parties,
[01:16:40] but the mid-level ones, the ones that are smaller, and you start to form
[01:16:44] coalitions with them. We are the only party that can form this
[01:16:47] coalition with other parties that are in both blocs,
[01:16:51] Zionist parties, and from there we start to build it, contrary
[01:16:55] to the bloc concept, otherwise we will get stuck. Now I have my positions on
[01:16:58] Netanyahu, you know them, no need to repeat them. If I could,
[01:17:02] I would convince every Israeli citizen not to vote for him and to vote
[01:17:05] for us.
[01:17:10] The only thing, I'm looking at what is called "who will sit with whom," and you
[01:17:14] say, you say "not with Haredim and not with Arabs, we won't join any bloc," but but seemingly
[01:17:18] if you, if Gantz's bloc manages to reach 61, you will join
[01:17:21] it, if there is now, come on, you saw in some poll that Gantz's bloc... The rule
[01:17:33] is that we will only sit in a Zionist government. We will recommend whoever
[01:17:36] brings 61 Zionist mandates, and that can definitely
[01:17:39] be from Gantz's and Bennett's bloc if that happens
[01:17:43] and they succeed in bringing parties from there. If tomorrow morning Gantz
[01:17:46] and Bennett form a government with Netanyahu, despite my positions on Netanyahu, we will sit
[01:17:50] there. I am not concerned with "just Bibi" but with... I didn't
[01:17:53] understand. Wait a second, let's just make it the simplest thing in the world. Let's say Gantz's
[01:17:57] bloc gets
[01:17:59] 56 and you get five, okay? These are all Zionists
[01:18:03] and the people on the other side don't want to come with you Zionists, so you go for
[01:18:07] it. Whoever forms a Zionist government, we are part of their
[01:18:11] government, and on condition,
[01:18:13] second, on condition that there is conscription
[01:18:16] for everyone, that no Israeli citizen who does not serve receives anything
[01:18:20] from the state, and that Gafni does not make decisions about us, and that Deri
[01:18:23] who stands on the Knesset podium is not revealed as an empty vessel, and they are not,
[01:18:27] and whoever does not serve does not get government positions.
[01:18:31] I was talking about the resentment. The option on the other side, you
[01:18:34] say I won't sit with the Haredim, right?
[01:18:37] And the Arab parties, and they don't harm. The Haredim
[01:18:40] also include Shas for that matter, because you know, there is after all... Listen, I have an even
[01:18:44] bigger account to settle with them. They are
[01:18:48] on the one hand my role model, because in our bad system, Shas has the country by its sensitive
[01:18:51] spot, and I understood their
[01:18:54] method, and I want to be exactly there. I want to put reservists
[01:18:58] in every position of power in the State of Israel, not active reservists of the party, but
[01:19:02] people who have served. I look at what they do, for example, with government
[01:19:05] positions. You know that today I have a friend
[01:19:07] who I think you know, who is a major in the reserves and he is
[01:19:11] in the Paratroopers' Pony Brigade. He is a well-known rabbi, the son of a well-known
[01:19:14] family, and he cannot get a government rabbi position in any
[01:19:18] city. By some miracle, only members of Deri's family
[01:19:21] are accepted. Why does that sound reasonable to anyone, that Deri
[01:19:25] and Gafni make decisions about us, how we risk our lives, and it's
[01:19:28] okay, and they will bring hundreds of millions, and be the finance ministers?
[01:19:32] Why? And therefore I am committed to the issue, I am committed to having conscription
[01:19:36] for everyone, I am committed to having.
[01:20:02] We cannot win the war with this government. We need soldiers, we
[01:20:05] are thinning out forces, we cannot.
[01:20:24] You sent messages and he didn't get back to you. He hasn't gotten back with an answer yet. It's his decision whether he chooses to be with
[01:20:27] this group that can't win this battle or to come
[01:20:31] and make a surplus agreement with us. But why, but why not Bennett? Because I'm looking
[01:20:35] again at what we really discussed.
[01:20:37] Looking at the message sheet, it seems to me that Bennett is much more similar to you in everything,
[01:20:41] meaning almost everything you say in the campaign. I'm telling you to sign a surplus
[01:20:45] agreement with Bennett and not with Bennett. Why aren't you calling him to join you or to
[01:20:48] change the message sheet? Ah, is it only because
[01:20:52] of the sheets? I told you about a surplus agreement. I told him, "Get out of the alliance
[01:20:55] with Netanyahu and the Haredi parties. If you're talking about recognition on the battlefield, it's impossible
[01:20:59] with them. Gafni is not your sidekick. He'll mess you up
[01:21:03] in a second." I'm putting that down to naivete or a political decision. There's no
[01:21:07] chance in the world that you'll pass conscription. Forget about the plan, which in my opinion
[01:21:10] is very compromising, for Bennett. But there's no chance in the world that they'll enlist
[01:21:14] there. There's no chance in the world that we'll decide on the battlefield with this government and with
[01:21:17] his commitment to Netanyahu and the Haredi parties. And regarding
[01:21:20] the attack, we started with Netanyahu's attack. Netanyahu attacks
[01:21:24] Bennett precisely because of this, because he's in his pocket. Why would Netanyahu attack
[01:21:27] me? Why would Netanyahu attack me over hundreds of days of reserve duty that I
[01:21:30] do, over the cost of living, over the fact that this country is the most expensive
[01:21:34] in the West, that we are 40% more expensive than Europe and the United States? The same
[01:21:37] people who go out for hundreds of days of reserve duty are also the ones who go to the supermarket and in the end
[01:21:41] the cart is the most expensive and they can't buy apartments. Why does he want to attack me?
[01:21:44] Let him attack. I'm in favor of putting up billboards. I'm willing to have this discussion
[01:21:48] about what they did in the three years that I fought for the defense
[01:21:52] of the homeland, that we were on the front lines. What did they do? You
[01:21:55] know, I want to ask you, I want Yoaz,
[01:21:58] in conclusion,
[01:22:00] this coming Saturday night, I will broadcast in a meeting an interview with someone you
[01:22:04] know very well, Chili Tropper. You ran together
[01:22:07] a long time ago. And I asked him, "Tell me,
[01:22:10] when you came to Yoaz and told him, 'I'm breaking up
[01:22:14] the business, I'm joining,' how
[01:22:16] did you explain it to him? Could it be that Yoaz is actually more
[01:22:20] courageous than you and that's the whole difference?"
[01:22:23] I won't tell you what he answered me, but what, what, what was
[01:22:26] there? Chili is a good friend and brother,
[01:22:30] and he made his decision. I truly believe in my path. Why, why didn't
[01:22:33] he run and you continue? But this is... You took him for the interview and the interviews
[01:22:37] are excellent, and I would also love to come. You were at my place, I was
[01:22:41] here a long time ago. I would love to come again now before
[01:22:43] the elections.
[01:22:46] And that's his decision. I know there are a quarter of a million Israelis, I see it
[01:22:49] in your polls and in other polls who say, "We don't
[01:22:53] want either the Haredi parties." To your credit, it must be said
[01:22:56] that so many people sat in that slot. You remember,
[01:23:00] we had Edelstein
[01:23:02] and Erdan and many people. In the end, you are
[01:23:06] the last ones standing. My advantage and disadvantage, and also that of
[01:23:09] Yaron Zelih, Professor Yaron Zeliha, is that we are stubborn. When I say
[01:23:13] that I will deal with conscription for everyone and I will not give up and I will not sit with non-Zionist
[01:23:17] parties, I mean it. And when Zeli
[01:23:21] it will happen. And you need crazy people for that. You need a right-wing marker in every
[01:23:24] political system, and I will be that right-wing marker. I will not be willing to give
[01:23:28] up on that after the war we went through. The things are clear. Yoaz Hendel, Chairman of the
[01:23:32] Reservists and Economic Party, thank you very much, thank you,
[01:24:08] the privilege of a day between part A of the interview
[01:24:11] and part B, I suddenly thought, what
[01:24:14] really, what is the thing that interests me the most?
[01:24:18] Yesterday you said that you were hit
[01:24:22] that your livelihood was affected by your decision to be
[01:24:25] political, to talk about your views, to be the host of
[01:24:29] a podcast that hosts many politicians.
[01:24:32] I'm interested if you can describe to me a moment or two where
[01:24:35] you said "F**k it," I am
[01:24:38] willing to be harmed, I am willing to suffer, this is more
[01:24:42] important to me. What? What, what led you to this?
[01:24:45] Specifically, to this? Yes, ah,
[01:24:48] listen, I, I. I think that I'll tell you
[01:24:52] I happened to be, like, out
[01:24:55] of the political closet
[01:24:59] against my will, because a long time ago
[01:25:03] in some interview I said I was a leftist. I asked
[01:25:06] the journalist not to publish it, and he published it, and since
[01:25:10] then I'm like out with my leftism. Wow
[01:25:13] wow, yes, just the word "leftist," which is
[01:25:16] also a lesson in journalistic ethics, by the way. No, it
[01:25:20] was with Yudan Uriel, may his memory be blessed. He said to me, "You're
[01:25:23] a leftist, right?" I said to him, "Yes, whoever has a problem can jump off a cliff." This was when
[01:25:27] Miri Regev made a lot of trouble with
[01:25:30] Mizrahim and Ashkenazim and stuff like that. And then I told him, "Don't
[01:25:34] publish it." And then he said, "Sure, sure, no problem." Boom, headline
[01:25:37] in Yediot Aharonot, "I'm a leftist and whoever has a problem
[01:25:41] can jump off a cliff." But Yossi, I want to, wait, wait, but wait
[01:25:45] a second, second, yours, I do want to dwell on this. Okay, they outed
[01:25:49] you.
[01:26:03] But you took that moment and just amplified and amplified it.
[01:26:06] That evening, I was stopped twice by people
[01:26:09] in the street who told me, "It's so great that you said that. Thank
[01:26:13] you, thank you for saying that." And then I said, "Ah, okay, so
[01:26:16] it seems that it does something."
[01:26:20] people, but to your question,
[01:26:23] after October 7th, there was one time when they asked
[01:26:27] me to make a video calling for change,
[01:26:29] and then I made the
[01:26:32] video, and suddenly, as someone
[01:26:35] who isn't very active on Instagram and such, suddenly it
[01:26:39] got insane amounts of views.
[01:26:41] And then the next day they asked me to host
[01:26:45] Kaplan, and since then I'm like
[01:26:48] I understand that it's, but
[01:26:51] there's a moment, as Roni asked, there's a moment when you say, you
[01:26:55] get hit in the head, you understand that you're not getting some job
[01:26:59] because of your political views, and you
[01:27:02] say, "I'm willing to..." What I told you about Yudan
[01:27:05] Uriel, they canceled my
[01:27:09] campaign for the Jerusalem Municipality on the day the article came out.
[01:27:12] And you say it's worth it for me, it's worth it for me for this or that you, or that it doesn't happen in
[01:27:16] real time, I say that if'.
[01:27:20] Shut up or talk and if the
[01:27:23] income goes down, then I prefer to talk and if the income goes down, but
[01:27:27] by the way, you said it hurts campaigns, it also hurts
[01:27:30] the likes. That means it doesn't hurt
[01:27:33] no no no it's not hard for me to believe
[01:27:36] that there is any series that won't take me
[01:27:39] because I express myself. It's not but but this feeling that you sit
[01:27:43] for example with your friends at a cafe and everyone
[01:27:47] agrees with you and then but'.
[01:27:50] The only one who will take action and speak on the radio or or get angry
[01:27:54] publicly is you, that's for sure but I just want to challenge
[01:27:57] you because I don't have actor friends, I don't
[01:28:00] sit I don't sit with actors and talk
[01:28:04] I have Lior who is a very good friend of mine, that's
[01:28:08] Lior Ashkenazi so you know, so I don't encounter
[01:28:11] any problem with him, but
[01:28:14] I don't have I don't have actor friends so
[01:28:18] that's a problem but but yes.
[01:28:30] That you write what you say in the end when he. Will speak, for example, Noa Kirel
[01:28:34] and you look at those people, do you expect them to speak
[01:28:38] and open their mouths? Of course, what are you crazy? Of course, I think
[01:28:41] it will have an effect, I think it has an impact
[01:28:45] yesterday Danit Greenberg
[01:28:47] published on her Instagram
[01:28:51] that she is for change and that she
[01:28:55] thinks that many things need to be fixed here
[01:28:59] this is this is a woman with I don't know. Half a million
[01:29:03] followers or something like that bravely
[01:29:06] went and published what she has
[01:29:09] people who you say think differently
[01:29:13] from you, for example, tomorrow morning an artist you admire
[01:29:16] clearly writes clearly
[01:29:19] Ariel Zilber whom I admire every song this
[01:29:23] man has ever released his views are known including
[01:29:27] Binyamin Yedid Hashem that he wrote to Netanyahu and Al
[01:29:29] Or Al Or the hero. That's actually
[01:29:33] I wasn't but no but but why do I ask what am I
[01:29:36] getting at in the end I'm what
[01:29:40] is called as a cultural need I don't know not particularly
[01:29:43] here for example on air Roni and I
[01:29:47] go to the same shows I've seen several
[01:29:49] times both of us dying the number of times I
[01:29:53] look and say on the story if he says some sentence now or if he brings in someone like Eden Ben
[01:29:57] Zaken with Netanyahu if he brings in someone now I'm going to not
[01:30:01] want to'.
[01:30:08] with great courage in his last album
[01:30:10] he talked about peace he didn't say I'm voting
[01:30:14] for this and he talked a lot in his recent interviews
[01:30:17] in light of the years after October 7th about why
[01:30:21] peace has become such a taboo
[01:30:23] word he talked about voices in
[01:30:27] religious Zionist society that don't support the release
[01:30:30] of captives, that is. that you touched on with Mutar Banai
[01:30:34] in essence, he talked about it really extensively,
[01:30:38] but also I, I, I want to reinforce what
[01:30:41] you're saying, we don't live in Denmark,
[01:30:44] okay, where you can
[01:30:47] come and sing or act and your story
[01:30:50] is over, you live in a country
[01:30:53] that in my opinion obligates you to state your opinion, but you
[01:30:57] don't, for heaven's sake, a person wants a little escapism, I look at people who sat at an Eden Ben Zaken show, you know what?
[01:31:01] עדן בן זקן, אתה יודע מה?
[01:31:19] No problem, no problem, I don't look and say he did something here, I,
[01:31:22] as an audience, if I'm sitting at a Aviv
[01:31:26] Geffen show and he suddenly does some event or of Eden Ben Zaken or Omer Adam or I don't
[01:31:30] care, it's just a second'. The
[01:31:32] fact that Yossi now says I'm against
[01:31:36] Bibi, okay, does that make you want to watch fewer
[01:31:40] shows he acts in? No, but if but but when it's connected to each other
[01:31:44] when it's part of the event, yes, if it's, you know, an event
[01:31:47] that is, I don't know, a show or if I'm watching, if when I'm
[01:31:51] watching a series it gets into me there
[01:31:54] it bothers me, I watch series to clear my head, I don't want to think politics
[01:31:58] Shahar I I don't know you it's but sorry
[01:32:01] and I don't mean. bluntly, but that's your
[01:32:04] problem, that's not my problem, right? No, what's
[01:32:08] your problem? You, you back, if I'm
[01:32:11] talking, and you kind of look
[01:32:15] and in some way it bothers you to see the thing I'm
[01:32:18] participating in, then I'm really sorry, but it's not, it's
[01:32:22] not my fault or my problem, no, but sorry, Yossi, you
[01:32:26] come and call other artists who are silent, who don't want to, who come to make
[01:32:29] their music, not to talk politics, it's not certain that it is.
[01:32:44] The last few years have been so crazy, such extreme
[01:32:47] things have happened here, we are parents to children,
[01:32:51] if something burns in you, it's not just for or against an election eve,
[01:32:55] say it. I I will tell you, I will tell you, I have
[01:32:58] examples for you, okay, Adi Ashkenazi in the Knesset committee'.
[01:33:58] I think, I think she has a responsibility, that's what I
[01:34:01] think, as an artist in the State of Israel, you cannot
[01:34:04] look at things from the outside, that's
[01:34:07] my opinion, you can disagree with it, but no, because
[01:34:11] you told me it's your problem, so I say it's your problem, Yossi, in that sense, that is, I.
[01:34:15] Let's put it this way, my reaction, it's your
[01:34:18] problem, it's your problem in that you can't
[01:34:22] either separate or or, you know, I
[01:34:25] Itamar Fleischmann was with me on one of the podcasts, and he
[01:34:29] started and I told him about Channel 4, so he told me, listen,
[01:34:33] then don't watch, and then I told him, wow, you're right,
[01:34:36] right, right, I won't
[01:34:38] watch, it's very true, so I,
[01:34:42] as they say, I'm calling from here,
[01:42:41] have to believe that I am a human being. Okay, that's the whole
[01:42:44] thing.
[01:42:47] Your question, if it's me, if it's me. No, not if it's one, if it met
[01:42:51] you differently, like, if it's, I think that,
[01:42:54] it will sound naive, but I'm really not a cynical person. I'm the least
[01:42:58] cynical person you'll ever meet in your life, but I think that every character has
[01:43:02] something of me in it, and yes, I'm also a bit that organizer, a bit
[01:43:05] wants to be loved, a bit
[01:43:08] finds herself
[01:43:10] sometimes in relationships that are not good for me, relationships, not necessarily
[01:43:14] with my husband, of course, but but but
[01:43:16] yes, in every character there is something that, that I
[01:43:20] take, we talked before you was Yossi Marshek
[01:43:23] who talks, a lot about, you worked together, did you get to?
[01:43:27] No, no, no, who talked a lot about how he has so many projects
[01:43:31] in each of you and those trains never collided, no, never, never,
[01:43:34] I'm inviting it, yes, so he said that in his opinion, artists today
[01:43:38] in Israel need to say what they think, not necessarily
[01:43:42] on the eve of elections, who you'll vote for, but that so many things happened
[01:43:45] here in Israel, I'd be happy to say, I'd be happy, please, that's
[01:43:49] your question, I think there needs to be a change, and it's
[01:43:52] not related to right and left, and it's related to the fact that it's simply
[01:43:56] debilitating. People being on the throne for so many
[01:44:00] years, ah and not understanding what it's like to be a normal
[01:44:04] person, because in the end, a prime minister
[01:44:08] , especially in the State of Israel, I'm that the prime minister, period, but especially in the State
[01:44:11] of Israel, ah
[01:44:14] it's a truly exceptional position, meaning I don't want
[01:44:18] to say king, but it's truly the highest, highest, highest
[01:44:22] point in society, and I think it's truly not
[01:44:25] right to be more than two terms, that's my personal opinion,
[01:44:29] and there too, I vote regardless
[01:44:33] of the horrifying thing that happened to us three years ago on October
[01:44:35] 7th, but it's not related, truly, truly, truly, hand
[01:44:39] on heart, it's not related to my political opinion, it's truly
[01:44:43] related to how I see life, how I see
[01:44:46] democracy, how I see a well-functioning and healthy
[01:44:49] society, I, I see that whoever is
[01:44:53] up there needs to be someone who is not disconnected from the people,
[01:44:56] and who serves two terms, period. By the way, let me tell you that I'm from
[01:45:00] the North,
[01:45:03] I don't want to say most of them, but let's say my family has been with
[01:45:07] Lieberman for years because he's a person who loves farmers. Passes reforms for
[01:45:11] farmers and represents the people
[01:45:15] from where I come from, we don't have much time, Agam, so just to conclude, do
[01:45:18] you agree with Yossi Marshek that in your opinion all artists should eventually speak up
[01:45:22] and say? I, I'm not a person, I'm not a person to say things about others, it
[01:45:26] doesn't interest me. I'm also, thank God, not a person who is a slacker or
[01:45:29] or or or cares about what happens with other people, it doesn't interest me. I'm
[01:45:33] talking, I'm talking about myself, I must
[01:48:06] here, approaching the end of our two hours and we
[01:48:09] say. Hello, Deputy Inspector Yossi Gazit, wow, all
[01:48:13] these acronyms, acting Deputy Head of Lahav 433, did I get that right?
[01:48:17] Right, right, Kuban,
[01:48:20] after everything you said, you're finishing with me,
[01:48:23] Kuban, ah, I read, you call me Kubman, I call you
[01:48:26] Gazit, okay, no problem, wait, what's
[01:48:30] your nickname, Yossi Gazit, what's your pet name? Do they call you Yos, not Yossi
[01:48:34] La, or not Gazit? How
[01:48:36] do they call you? And you listened for two whole hours? What's that? He knows
[01:48:44] Kuban, he knows Kuban well. What's going on with Ezzell
[01:48:47] in Kfar Saba? It sounds like
[01:48:51] finger-licking material.
[01:48:54] Ah, well, I certainly won't say right now which
[01:48:58] municipality it is, even though it was published.
[01:49:01] Rafi ended in the gate in the middle, there's Rafi Sa'ar and the head of the Kfar
[01:49:04] Saba municipality. The suspects still haven't appeared in court,
[01:49:07] but but really. But really,
[01:49:10] I don't know if it's finger-licking good, it's actually quite disturbing
[01:49:14] for us, but Lahav actually started working on this
[01:49:18] case a year ago, a little over a year ago, uh, a lot
[01:49:21] of confidential information.
[01:49:47] Of course, both the mayor and his wife are key suspects. There are announcements from the mayor.
[01:49:50] But there's no doubt that
[01:49:54] the lady, the mayor's wife
[01:49:57] is very, very dominant in the
[01:49:59] investigation.
[01:50:01] Is there a method here? Tell us a bit about the method
[01:50:04] of the mayor's wife at its center?
[01:50:08] So, so, so really without going into too much detail because we are truly at the first stage of
[01:50:11] the investigation, so basically contractors, all sorts of interested parties in the city, all
[01:50:15] sorts of stakeholders who know there is a
[01:50:18] tenders committee, there is a proper process and understand that it will attract.
[01:50:24] Like back in the day, literally envelopes of cash, ah, but what comes
[01:50:28] to her? What is her role in this story? So, I
[01:50:31] mean stakeholders in the
[01:50:34] city and also from the city's surroundings
[01:50:37] to get various city tenders like
[01:50:40] lighting, paving, urban renewal, and so
[01:50:44] on and so on, there is the
[01:50:47] roundabout way, there is the mayor's wife
[01:50:51] and there is the mayor and there are other involved parties
[01:50:53] in the city who were also arrested and interrogated from the
[01:50:57] municipality's senior officials, and there is the method,
[01:51:00] to bribe and get the tender or
[01:51:03] to remove competitors or to get the tender under conditions without
[01:51:06] conditions, and that worked very well for them during the period
[01:51:10] we're talking about, so if I want to stitch up a tender, I want to make things easier
[01:51:13] for my business, I bring it to the mayor's wife in an envelope, yes,
[01:51:17] in cash,
[01:51:20] according to the suspicion, according to the suspicion. Part of the bribe,
[01:51:23] there are bribes in other units that
[01:51:27] we will publish later, there is no doubt
[01:51:29] that the cash event here is really, really prominent,
[01:51:33] also in the searches today very large
[01:51:36] sums of money, what are very high sums? How much money in total
[01:51:39] did that mayor allegedly make according to the suspicions?
[01:51:43] We won't talk about the mayor right now, the scope of the offense here is millions of shekels,
[01:51:47] we're not what is millions? Millions could be one million and it could
[01:51:50] be many millions. Shekels, again, I don't want to give
[01:51:53] numbers so as not to set anything in stone, we are really at the first stage of the investigation, but the scope of the offense
[01:51:57] here is many millions, every such tender, just imagine,
[01:52:00] renewal, large tenders, cleaning,
[01:52:04] just imagine, we're talking about large tenders, so envelopes
[01:52:07] with thousands or tens of thousands of shekels
[01:52:11] are passed to whoever needs them, and your warehouse, now I see
[01:52:14] from the publications that you also know where
[01:52:17] the money went, ah, we are
[01:52:20] really, since the beginning of the we have been using
[01:52:24] very advanced technological means that Lahav knows
[01:52:27] how to use, it's simply unbelievable, I'm really
[01:52:31] holding back from going into detail at this stage,
[01:52:34] but the money went to shopping,
[01:52:37] to trips, to expenses abroad,
[01:52:40] they cashed out the money very quickly, expensive items, expensive
[01:52:44] jewelry, watches, bags, and also to family members, also to family members of
[01:52:47] the suspects, also with them in the end we found
[01:52:51] today quite a lot of money. What are they saying in the interrogation? Can we say yet or
[01:52:54] not? No, we can't say, they're just at the first stage of the investigation,
[01:52:58] between us, only Roni and I are listening, some are cooperating,
[01:53:01] some are not cooperating, but
[01:53:03] we, we really have 17 arrested, on the one
[01:53:07] hand it disgusts me, yes, it just disgusts me, this thing, on the other hand I think
[01:53:11] about the children, right, suddenly boom, dad and mom
[01:53:14] arrested, ah yes, yes,
[01:53:18] we try to be considerate of course, but
[01:53:20] ah, we really think about it
[01:53:24] that when a father and mother of a family are arrested together, it's
[01:53:27] an event, yes, in this case there's less of a problem, but
[01:53:31] the marriage is a second marriage, no, yes, the children are grown up.
[01:53:35] The moment we plan the arrest of a couple in advance, and that
[01:53:38] happens quite a lot in the police, then we involve welfare agencies or someone from the
[01:53:42] family to come and watch the children. That's not the event
[01:53:46] here. Okay, meaning usually at this stage it's impossible to say the
[01:53:49] name of Rafi Sa'ar, the mayor of Kfar Saba. He admits
[01:53:53] that it's him, he issues a response, we'll read his response, "I understand the concern and the questions," he says, following the publications,
[01:53:57] "I will cooperate fully with the investigative bodies, I will provide all explanations, I believe
[01:54:01] that the clarification will allow for a complete picture. Due to the ongoing investigation, I
[01:54:04] cannot comment on the details at this time. I ask to refrain from drawing conclusions before
[01:54:08] the facts are clarified." He states that his deputy will fill
[01:54:14] the police currently know, this is known to be fake, but that's what we
[01:54:18] know right now. Deputy Inspector Yossi Gazit, Gazit, ah,
[02:00:18] Hello everyone, good afternoon, we are with the news update for 12 o'clock. Second
[02:00:21] consecutive day of testimony from the former Attorney General
[02:00:25] Avichai Mandelblit, and after
[02:00:28] a confrontation between the Prime Minister's lawyer and the prosecutor, a confrontation that led
[02:00:31] to a breakdown in the testimony, the testimony resumes and we go to
[02:00:35] you, Shilit Afiro, with all the updates on what is happening there in court. Yes,
[02:00:38] Keren, so on the second day of the former legal advisor's testimony,
[02:00:42] Mandelblit, he was given a side room where he could stay to
[02:00:45] avoid questions from. directed at him by the
[02:00:49] journalists and as he stated during the testimony
[02:00:52] that Netanyahu's lawyer claimed before Mandelblit that
[02:00:56] they set him up, but there was a quick exchange of words.