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[00:00:35] Hello everyone, a great disaster in the north, an annual school
[00:00:38] trip that was supposed to be an experiential and enjoyable one,
[00:00:42] ended with one dead and more than 20
[00:00:44] injured. A preliminary investigation reveals that it was most likely an unexploded
[00:00:48] cluster bomb from Hezbollah, one
[00:00:51] of the students put the unexploded ordnance
[00:00:54] in his backpack and then that ordnance exploded.
[00:00:57] We'll be right back with all the updates from there. On the
[00:01:21] scenic road of the Ramim ridge, a road that goes down from the area of Kibbutz Yiftah
[00:01:25] towards Kiryat Shmona, a group of students
[00:01:28] from Ma'alot. Here, apparently, part of a cluster
[00:01:32] bomb from a rocket fired by Hezbollah during
[00:01:35] the war, they apparently stood in a very tight circle,
[00:01:39] passed that ordnance among themselves, and then at some point there was
[00:01:42] an explosion, as a result of which the boy who was holding that
[00:01:46] ordnance was killed, and another 23
[00:01:49] students were injured, some seriously. The injured
[00:01:53] students and staff were evacuated by Magen David Adom and IDF
[00:01:56] Air Force helicopters to the hospitals in Safed,
[00:02:00] Rambam and Western Galilee in Nahariya. Therefore, very
[00:02:04] large forces of both rescue and medical, United Hatzalah
[00:02:08] and many other organizations flowed there to try and help. It took a very long time
[00:02:12] to evacuate the injured from here, it took
[00:02:14] a long time because the scene also looked very, very difficult,
[00:02:18] and I want to show you the sign that is here behind me, a sign
[00:02:22] that KKL placed here a few
[00:02:25] weeks, or months even, ago, and it says that entry
[00:02:28] is forbidden. Because of the war, it doesn't
[00:02:31] say that there are unexploded ordnance here, but it says
[00:02:35] something about the war that they are working to rehabilitate this site
[00:02:38] because of the damage of the war, and despite
[00:02:41] all this, despite the fact that KKL, who are not a regulatory body, forbid entry
[00:02:45] to this place, the Ministry of Education, the situation room of the Ministry of Education
[00:02:48] approved this trip here, I assume we will hear a lot more
[00:02:51] exchanges of accusations, things,
[00:02:54] responsibility, blame, many more words will be spilled over
[00:02:58] this matter, who approved the trip. This and why? Rubi, it's
[00:03:01] safe to assume that it's not just school students
[00:03:05] hiking there, it's safe to assume that there are also hikers
[00:03:09] on the weekend, cyclists, there are other
[00:03:12] people I assume who hike in these
[00:03:14] areas. Right, you know, during the war
[00:03:18] we reported many times about impacts in open areas, and this
[00:03:21] is the area, an open and dense area that can contain
[00:03:24] a lot of unexploded ordnance. Now you need to separate,
[00:03:27] the road behind me is a clear
[00:03:31] road, there are definitely no unexploded ordnance on it, but when you go a little to the side, there
[00:03:35] is a very large thicket here, vegetation that grows, the terrain
[00:03:38] changes, the terrain here changes all the time and it can hide under it
[00:03:42] many such things, and we
[00:03:46] know that the area is sown, it is impossible to clear this entire
[00:03:48] area of all ordnance. However, it is very important
[00:03:52] to note that nature reserves and hiking trails
[00:03:55] are safe, they have been cleared and evacuated by sappers
[00:03:58] and rangers, you need to differentiate between things, there is a very big difference between an open
[00:04:02] area, an open area and a known
[00:04:06] hiking trail, approved within some
[00:04:09] nature reserve. Rubi said snow, from the scene
[00:04:12] of the incident, thank you very much to you.
[00:04:15] Thank you. Orly Halkala is at Rambam
[00:04:18] Hospital, where the injured were evacuated. Orly,
[00:04:22] hello.
[00:04:24] Yes, hello Lior. Here at Rambam Hospital, four
[00:04:28] injured were evacuated, one 60-year-old, the teacher of the trip,
[00:04:31] his condition is serious, he is still in the operating room, this is already
[00:04:35] the third hour he is in the operating room, due to the shrapnel
[00:04:38] in his body, they had to take him to the operating room.
[00:04:42] Three other teenagers, one in moderate condition, two in
[00:04:46] light condition, are hospitalized at the children's hospital here, at Rambam
[00:04:50] Hospital in Haifa, one of them in pediatric
[00:04:53] intensive care, there is no danger to any of
[00:04:56] the injured here at the hospital, one of the children.
[00:05:01] I just heard an explosion, I don't know where from, it was a very, very
[00:05:05] loud boom and we just flew backwards, and when I opened
[00:05:09] my eyes I saw that my legs and my hands were full
[00:05:13] of blood, there were shouts there, people crying, we didn't understand
[00:05:16] what happened, that child doesn't know how to tell about the unexploded ordnance, if he touched
[00:05:20] it, or someone else from his friends dealt with it, that's what he
[00:05:23] tells the medical staff, family members are by their side, also
[00:05:27] from the yeshiva and from the community came to be
[00:05:30] and support the family members, they are currently asking, leave us alone,
[00:05:34] let us be with the children, we have a big miracle that our
[00:05:37] child survived, and in the
[00:05:40] hospitals, as Rubi mentioned, six. In Galilee
[00:05:43] Hospital in Nahariya, one is in serious condition, he is also in the operating room,
[00:05:47] a boy about 14 years old, and in Ziv Hospital, one
[00:05:51] boy is also hospitalized in serious condition out of the 13 who arrived there,
[00:05:54] one is in serious condition, the rest are in moderate and light condition, and there were also
[00:05:57] others who arrived later at Ziv
[00:06:00] Hospital in Safed, those who are defined as trauma and asked
[00:06:04] for psychological help mainly, and of course they received it,
[00:06:08] all the injured who are here, social workers are also attached to the families.
[00:06:12] Of course, also to the injured, if so, at Rambam
[00:06:16] Hospital in Haifa, the doctors say, as soon as the injured arrived, this is not something we haven't
[00:06:20] seen in the last three years, or at all, since the hospital
[00:06:23] opened, shrapnel injuries, blast injuries, which are so
[00:06:27] familiar to us from ordnance, and as Rubi said,
[00:06:31] remnants of a cluster bomb, the investigation was assigned to
[00:06:34] both the army and the police sappers
[00:06:37] who collected all these ordnance items, they are trying
[00:06:41] to understand, of course. Who held it, what happened, where did they
[00:06:44] find it? And when Rubi says there was a sign here, then the general
[00:06:48] said: I and the army together will probably
[00:06:51] decide to stop the trips, Education Minister Kisch announced,
[00:06:54] from tomorrow there will be no trips in the north, everyone
[00:06:57] of course wants to avoid drawing conclusions immediately
[00:07:01] and God forbid we should be in the same incident, and as Rubi says,
[00:07:04] it is very possible that in these thickets there are many more unexploded ordnance, and if
[00:07:08] someone there touches, encounters, as you said, a cyclist.
[00:07:11] Just stumbles upon it, we see where this can
[00:07:15] lead. Absolutely. Orly,
[00:07:17] thank you.
[00:07:20] Let's say hello, yes, in the studio to our military commentator Roi Sharon, hello, to Ran
[00:07:24] Hodinov, our education reporter. Roi, I want to start
[00:07:27] with you about the cluster bomb. What is a cluster
[00:07:30] bomb? When Hezbollah fires various types of ammunition
[00:07:34] into Israel, it can be a mortar shell, it can be a drone, it can be
[00:07:37] a rocket, a cluster bomb is ammunition that has
[00:07:41] a lot of explosives on it. But it is divided into small
[00:07:44] pieces, in this case, as we see now on the screen, it doesn't
[00:07:48] look exactly like the missiles that are launched from Iran
[00:07:51] and hit here and people see something that looks like a missile or
[00:07:55] a mortar shell also has such a very distinct shape with fins and a warhead
[00:07:59] like that, here it might look like metal, it's
[00:08:02] iron, it weighs about half a kilo, maybe two kilos, something
[00:08:05] like that, but it doesn't have the classic shape of a bomb and it's possible
[00:08:09] that the student who picked it up didn't exactly understand what
[00:08:12] he was doing. And when he picked it up. You don't, you don't really recognize
[00:08:16] that it's a bomb? Yes, you recognize that it's related to some
[00:08:20] weapon, it might look like a grenade, a stun grenade or a gas
[00:08:23] grenade or something in between, but it doesn't look like something
[00:08:27] that you definitively say, okay, this is something that was
[00:08:30] fired here and didn't explode. The problem
[00:08:33] is that it's unexploded ordnance, it's unexploded ordnance, it didn't explode, there could be,
[00:08:36] the assumption now should be that there are more of these in open
[00:08:39] areas, because if the air force fires unexploded ordnance. Then they know that the bomb didn't
[00:08:43] explode if it even hit Israel and not enemy territory,
[00:08:47] but then they go and send Yahalom or police sappers there,
[00:08:51] the problem is that Hezbollah fires these, they do searches
[00:08:54] on hiking trails and check that it's not on
[00:08:58] roads, but in the open area, wooded
[00:09:01] area, it's autumn, it rolled
[00:09:04] and such, I think that this is an urgent task now to go
[00:09:08] and check, is it even possible, it is possible, you bring volunteers, I don't know from
[00:09:11] the nature authority. In parks, from the Ministry of Education, from the IDF, from
[00:09:14] the police, you scan it, in the end the goal is
[00:09:18] to clear, in professional terms, as many areas as possible, even if they are not
[00:09:21] walking exactly on the path, because hikers can
[00:09:24] go off the path and walk 30 meters right, 40 meters left, go
[00:09:28] and sit in the shade, and then eventually, it's clear that if you see
[00:09:32] such a thing you shouldn't touch it, but you really need to start
[00:09:36] from the assumption that there are more of these, and the goal is
[00:09:38] to prevent more disasters of this kind.
[00:09:42] And now they are investigating exactly what happened there
[00:09:46] and how much explosive material it is, but at this stage it matters less, the goal is to prevent the
[00:09:50] next disaster. Tell me, in the end, most likely this will happen
[00:09:54] in places so close to the border, or can we find
[00:09:58] it much deeper in Israeli territory? The areas that suffered
[00:10:01] more shelling, the Western Galilee and the... and the Upper
[00:10:05] Galilee, more items fell there that are both for short
[00:10:08] range, like mortar shells, and also this type of bombs.
[00:10:12] Gamma, and therefore it is likely that there we will find
[00:10:15] more, a higher chance that there are more such
[00:10:19] ordnance items of various types that the enemy fired, that Hezbollah
[00:10:22] fired and did not explode, and this even. It's like explosives, you know,
[00:10:26] it doesn't sound like much, but if it's standard explosives, the result is very
[00:10:30] deadly, as we saw today, that's what we saw, thank you, Iran,
[00:10:34] hello, hello, the Ministry of Education, I assume, has already
[00:10:37] started an initial investigation of this incident. Look, first of all, they are checking
[00:10:41] there, the police are supposed to investigate, and there is no doubt that the head of the yeshiva,
[00:10:45] and the tour organizer, everyone will have to give an account
[00:10:47] soon, to the police, because in the end they have
[00:10:51] responsibility, a school principal who organizes a trip, he has.
[00:10:55] The responsibility for the safety of the students, but he didn't do a pirate trip
[00:10:58] here, as a matter of fact, right, there are approvals, the Ministry of Education says, there is approval
[00:11:02] from the army, and there is approval from the Ministry of Education
[00:11:05] from the situation room, by the way, the situation room is operated by, in fact,
[00:11:08] the Society for the Protection of Nature operates the situation room, also
[00:11:12] for the Ministry of Education, so we saw that sign, I know there is a difference
[00:11:16] between KKL and the Society for the Protection of Nature, but maybe someone there talked to each other, I
[00:11:20] still can't understand this contradiction between things, meaning it's very
[00:11:23] possible that someone approved. In principle, the army told the Ministry of Education that it's possible to go back to hiking
[00:11:27] in the north, no problem. We need to ask the questions here, did anyone
[00:11:31] brief the teachers and even then the students, what happens if there is unexploded ordnance
[00:11:35] in the area? Did anyone tell the teachers,
[00:11:38] be careful, there might be such things there, how do you deal with it, there is
[00:11:42] a route plan for the trip, how much they will open it, how they
[00:11:45] acted when they discovered or didn't discover that there were explosives
[00:11:49] there, where were the teachers? We know that the trip teacher
[00:11:52] is in serious condition there, but...
[00:11:59] Ask all these questions, and the school principals will also have to give answers, there is no choice here, currently we are focusing on two issues, also
[00:12:02] on the investigation that the police need to do, in less than half
[00:12:06] an hour we will hear from Education Minister Yoav Kisch, the assessment is that he is going to cancel
[00:12:09] all trips in the north,
[00:12:11] in the border area, it is not clear exactly where, by the way, how
[00:12:15] is this different from what is happening in the south, in the south there are no unexploded ordnance or there cannot be unexploded ordnance,
[00:12:19] but you, I will rephrase the question, I am a parent, okay,
[00:12:23] I need to worry tomorrow if my children go on an annual trip, because
[00:12:27] according to what you are saying,
[00:12:29] it seems that, so it seems yes, it seems that the Ministry of Education did not know how to do its
[00:12:33] homework completely. The former Director General of the Ministry
[00:12:36] of Education, Shimshon Shoshani, who is no longer alive, once told me, the Director
[00:12:40] General's circulars for trips were
[00:12:43] written in blood, truly so. You know
[00:12:46] that 30 years ago, a Director
[00:12:49] General's circular was suddenly added to the Ministry of Education stating that it is forbidden to enter water sources without
[00:12:53] lifeguard services, this happened because a student drowned
[00:12:55] to death, and may we not know, the Tzafit stream disaster changed
[00:12:59] all the Director General's circulars here. There was also a dispute between the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry
[00:13:03] of Education regarding the camps, but these things changed and they will have to do
[00:13:07] their homework here. Did they check, teams, did they clean
[00:13:10] the area, who checked, was it just a principled approval or not? By the way, this route I understand from the school, it's a small
[00:13:14] school,
[00:13:17] 50 students in total went out, we are talking about the entire
[00:13:21] junior high, 7th, 8th, that's why we also see the mix.
[00:13:31] All of this will need to be checked, who briefed them,
[00:13:34] how much, and there are no answers to this. The second issue is that there is currently a second circle of affected people, they are currently, as I understand it, still in Kibbutz Yiftah, there are resilience
[00:13:37] teams there, students who experienced a very, very difficult
[00:13:41] psychological trauma. They need to be enveloped, hugged, social
[00:13:44] workers need to arrive and do the conversations. They saw
[00:13:48] their friend killed and their friends injured and their teachers
[00:13:52] injured. We are also seeing the pictures on the screen now. Of course,
[00:13:57] also
[00:14:01] in the hospitals in the first circle, and we are waiting for the Education Minister's statement in a
[00:14:05] short while. Liran Hujinoff, thank you.
[00:14:07] As mentioned, Education Minister Yoav Kisch is supposed to issue
[00:14:11] or give a statement at 7:30.
[00:14:15] We will of course be there as soon as it happens
[00:14:18] to understand what is happening there on the ground and how safe the area
[00:14:22] is for hikers. We say hello
[00:14:25] to Eliran Caesar, a tour guide in the north, Eliran,
[00:14:28] hello. Hello, hello, it's dangerous
[00:14:32] in the north.
[00:14:36] More than ever, yes, but that shouldn't
[00:14:39] prevent trips to the north at all, but what you're
[00:14:42] saying isn't new, meaning, if you're saying it's dangerous in the north,
[00:14:46] it was probably dangerous yesterday too, and a week
[00:14:49] ago.
[00:14:52] Uh, it's dangerous because we're at war, but also. We went through this
[00:14:55] after the Second Lebanon War in 2006, then too there were
[00:14:59] many. The principle is
[00:15:02] simple it's not
[00:15:05] to violate basic
[00:15:08] rules. Basic rules are really to walk
[00:15:11] on the path. If the group had walked on the path, nothing
[00:15:15] would have happened, nothing would have happened to them.
[00:15:18] The moment you do, go off the path, go into the bush,
[00:15:22] do things that are not normal, it's fine. I don't know
[00:15:25] what the investigation says, whether the child really took some
[00:15:29] kind of shrapnel or something like that
[00:15:33] and that's where it came from, but the moment you walk on the path, you are
[00:15:37] absolutely.
[00:15:43] Absolutely, tell us, by the way, the Golan Heights, we will interview
[00:15:47] that child whose leg was amputated, he
[00:15:50] is no longer a child, yes, but we will interview him
[00:15:53] later in the program. I want to focus with you
[00:15:57] on the geographical aspect, please describe it to us.