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[00:00:02] The principle is simple. He should not
[00:00:05] make up the basic
[00:00:08] lives. This is really going through the path. If
[00:00:12] the group had gone through the path, nothing
[00:00:15] would have happened. Nothing would have been damaged. No one would have come to them. The moment
[00:00:19] you go down the path, you do things
[00:00:23] that are not normal. It's fine, according to I don't know what the investigation says, if
[00:00:27] the child really took some
[00:00:31] shard or something of that kind, and from there it stemmed. But the moment
[00:00:34] you walk on the path, you are definitely safe because
[00:00:38] the path protects you.
[00:00:41] Like everywhere else in the Golan Heights, absolutely. Tell us,
[00:00:44] by the way, the Golan Heights. We will later interview that same child
[00:00:48] whose leg was amputated. He's not a child anymore, yes, but
[00:00:52] we will interview him later in the program. I
[00:00:55] want to focus with you for a moment on the geographical level.
[00:00:58] Tell us, how do those routes look like, both in the
[00:01:02] Kiryat Shmona area, Metula area, generally along
[00:01:06] the border with Lebanon?
[00:01:09] The routes we hike on, first of all, are routes
[00:01:13] where the path is clear,
[00:01:15] okay? The path is clear, usually also marked
[00:01:18] with signs, and you know where you're going, and it's
[00:01:22] not, it's impossible to get confused, really.
[00:01:25] They did a very good job,
[00:01:28] and it's hard to get confused.
[00:01:31] A. If you remember, I'll take you to something else, another story. About
[00:01:35] 10-15 years ago, there was a story where someone went down to a minefield
[00:01:38] in the Golan Heights, and two children also ended up in a
[00:01:42] terrible tragedy. Again, the moment you stick
[00:01:45] to the path and you walk, you are safe. The moment
[00:01:49] you deviate from it and start looking in the
[00:01:51] thicket of trees, you get into trouble.
[00:01:54] And therefore, anyone who wants to hike and does and adheres to
[00:01:57] this principle is... At a very
[00:02:01] high level of safety, at a very high level of safety. And the paths
[00:02:05] look, look, you don't walk in a thicket. Even when you walk
[00:02:08] through a dense forest, then
[00:02:11] the path is about a meter and a half
[00:02:14] wide, two meters. The narrow
[00:02:17] paths, sometimes even more. And the paths
[00:02:21] are clear, okay?
[00:02:23] So it shouldn't be pretty, it shouldn't be expensive,
[00:02:27] okay? Come on, we say, the creator of the path, well. That the path is smarter
[00:02:31] than those who hike on it, because
[00:02:34] the path knows where to go, it protects you. Let's talk practically for a moment. Today is Tuesday.
[00:02:38] In three days, we're entering another weekend.
[00:02:41] Good weather. I assume many hikers in the north.
[00:02:45] But this time, Eliran, private hikers,
[00:02:49] meaning families who come, mother, children, do they need
[00:02:52] to get some kind of permit, or can they enter
[00:02:56] any of the trails?
[00:03:07] There is a nature hotline. Whoever is worried and wants to, there is a hotline
[00:03:10] where you can find and check if
[00:03:14] you can or can't. Sometimes these are things related
[00:03:17] to, as they say, natural events,
[00:03:20] floods, rains, landslides, things of this
[00:03:22] sort. This is one thing. You can always call
[00:03:26] this hotline. You can also call the Nature and Parks Authority.
[00:03:30] Since a large part of the trails pass through nature reserves and national
[00:03:34] parks, they can also give you a pretty accurate
[00:03:36] answer.
[00:03:39] In the areas we're talking about in the south, hardly
[00:03:42] any missiles arrived, and the danger is
[00:03:46] minimal. The danger is really in the geographical areas,
[00:03:49] which are the mountainous areas of western Galilee, those
[00:03:53] that are close.
[00:03:56] And yes, and the forested area where nature is high, that's it. Exactly
[00:04:00] the place, right. Yes, and if you want, all the area north
[00:04:03] of Safed and all the villages near, as they say, the
[00:04:07] northern road, right and left,
[00:04:10] it is in danger.
[00:04:12] Now, if someone wants to go to places like
[00:04:16] Nahal Amud or Nahal Gazir, then the place is well-traveled,
[00:04:20] and the probability is small. If someone goes to a less
[00:04:23] known place, the probability that it hasn't been cleared or discovered
[00:04:27] will always be higher. In any case, b. Everyone
[00:04:36] passed there, and several months have passed, and therefore
[00:04:39] this danger, and even if someone goes with children, they should watch over the children so that they don't
[00:04:43] run off the side of the road, okay? And then he
[00:04:47] is relatively safe. Eliran Kesar, a tour
[00:04:50] guide in the north. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
[00:04:54] Everything is fine. We are now going to Haim Goldich, who is
[00:04:57] outside the high school
[00:05:00] in Ma'alot-Tarshiha, from where the students
[00:05:03] also came. Haim, hello.
[00:05:07] Yes, hello, Elior. So we really arrived here not long ago. We
[00:05:11] understand that in the last few hours here at the school, the educational
[00:05:15] staff together with teams from the municipality, youth movements, parents,
[00:05:18] teachers, we're talking about a very large high school with hundreds of students. Those who went
[00:05:22] on this trip were only junior high students, grades
[00:05:25] 7th and 8th.
[00:05:28] About 50 students with their educational staff.
[00:05:32] The students themselves did not come here. They were taken to a nearby kibbutz,
[00:05:36] those who were not injured, of course, and they are still being treated. Their
[00:05:39] families are currently here at the school. They are trying to provide
[00:05:43] support to the rest of the students in the school, some of whom
[00:05:47] may have siblings who were on the trip, family members,
[00:05:50] and there is a lot of activity here. Also Magen David Adom
[00:05:54] teams, police, parents, and teachers. We tried to approach
[00:05:57] some of the parents from the school
[00:06:01] and also people from the educational staff. For now, they are not interested in being interviewed, very
[00:06:04] shocked by the incident that happened here. Indeed, a very
[00:06:08] great tragedy. Also a casualty, a student
[00:06:10] of the yeshiva, and also many injured. Ah, here
[00:06:14] they are trying to ease the burden. We will try to perhaps find some
[00:06:18] parents later and get back to you, perhaps with more details that will tell us what
[00:06:22] happened. Indeed, Haim Goldich from outside the
[00:06:25] school, Ma'alot-Tarshiha. Thank you very
[00:06:28] much. Niran, I want to get back to you, with your permission,
[00:06:32] and talk about the future of annual trips. You know, we were both kids, we
[00:06:36] know what an annual trip is. Could it be that this whole incident
[00:06:40] will be jeopardized from now on? Look, ah, we are also
[00:06:43] in an election period, and I'm not connecting
[00:06:46] it, but Minister of Education Kish and this government will not want
[00:06:50] another incident and disaster and responsibility to be on
[00:06:53] their name. And therefore, it's possible that as a precaution, as we also heard the police commissioner
[00:06:56] earlier, he will say, "I am canceling the trips for now." What is "for now"? For how
[00:07:00] long? They will need to investigate what happened there. The police have only just
[00:07:04] started investigating, and the army, of course, also needs to conduct its investigation.
[00:07:07] And of course, they need to involve the JNF (KKL-JNF) who planted
[00:07:10] a fence there. Maybe they knew something that no one else knows. No one will correct anyone. This is something that needs
[00:07:14] to be checked. But ah, ah, for now, I understand
[00:07:17] that it's only for the northern area. This is what they are considering. Ah, I'm
[00:07:21] still trying to find out how many trips are supposed to go to the northern area. I remind you
[00:07:24] that the Ministry of Education, once the war ended, once the IDF remained, actually
[00:07:28] encouraged students to come to the north. It's an area that so
[00:07:32] desperately needs students, needs money,
[00:07:34] of course, to revive the place. Here, these are students from more or less the same
[00:07:38] area, yes. These are not students who came from the center to the north.
[00:07:44] All in all, there in the area, they didn't travel that far,
[00:07:47] and trips are still going there. We are waiting
[00:07:50] for a statement from the Minister of Education. For now, I understand that it's only for the
[00:07:53] northern area. Naturally, the area itself is already closed
[00:07:56] where the disaster happened, so no
[00:08:00] hiker will be able to get there. But again, the question is whether this provides a guarantee
[00:08:03] for very stressed parents who tomorrow need to go on a trip,
[00:08:07] because I understand the parents' stress. Parents are stressed,
[00:08:10] and by the way, we talked about the responsibility of school principals, of trip coordinators.
[00:08:14] It's a very big responsibility. Even if they got
[00:08:17] the approvals, you understand that there are still things they need to do, still
[00:08:20] to do, still to go through briefings. You know, there's a director-general's circular on the level
[00:08:24] of how much each student needs to bring in their water bottle
[00:08:27] and leave. Meaning, sometimes it goes down to small details, and here we see that there are still missing details
[00:08:31] and it's not clear to us who cleared the area. Did the IDF just
[00:08:34] stay? The IDF will stay. Did anyone check how long it will stay? Was
[00:08:38] the area clean? These are really questions that the police will have to answer.
[00:08:42] Answer. Liran, you stay
[00:08:45] with us for now, because we are waiting for the statement from the Minister
[00:08:49] of Education. We will definitely want to hear
[00:08:51] your input on this
[00:08:55] matter. But in the meantime, there is an incident here.
[00:08:58] The incident is mines, duds, something that has been with
[00:09:02] us for a very long time. Roi Nahari is joining
[00:09:05] us now. Roi is the CEO of
[00:09:08] OPMS company. I hope I pronounced that correctly. A company that...
[00:09:18] Hello, hello, hello. Tell us what your company
[00:09:21] does?
[00:09:24] Our company supervises projects for clearing
[00:09:27] mines and duds here in Israel,
[00:09:30] and basically we remove the dangers
[00:09:34] that exist, from minefields and in areas
[00:09:38] that are at risk of duds,
[00:09:41] according to the... according to the guidelines of the state, of the Ministry
[00:09:44] of Defense. Tell me, isn't this something that should be
[00:09:48] under the sole responsibility of the defense establishment, of the Ministry of Defense,
[00:09:51] the IDF?
[00:09:56] I'm not sure I'm the authorized person to answer that, but to the best
[00:09:59] of my understanding, this public space
[00:10:02] of these open areas is an area that is
[00:10:05] under the responsibility of the police, but not under the responsibility of the army
[00:10:09] and the Ministry of Defense. The areas under the responsibility of the army and the Ministry. Indeed, they are
[00:10:12] the areas they own, for example, the areas where the IDF trains,
[00:10:16] the areas that are fenced off by the Ministry of Defense,
[00:10:20] not these areas, okay? Let's map out
[00:10:23] for us, ah, the danger zones, the areas
[00:10:26] where I assume your company works.
[00:10:30] In Israel, right on
[00:10:33] the map. How does it work
[00:10:34] exactly?
[00:10:37] Look, regarding minefields, the danger, the danger is
[00:10:41] relatively clearer, because these areas are well
[00:10:44] defined in all our maps
[00:10:47] in Israel, well fenced and well controlled throughout
[00:10:51] the country, and yes, also in the north. Everything
[00:10:55] related to duds, the risk is a very
[00:10:59] broad risk. We are still at war,
[00:11:02] as unpleasant as it is to say it,
[00:11:05] and duds are part of the risks in these open
[00:11:08] spaces and areas. Ah, they shot at us almost
[00:11:12] everywhere in the country, and duds
[00:11:16] may be in the vicinity of
[00:11:20] these areas, the open areas throughout
[00:11:22] the country, including the Galilee. And the North
[00:11:26] that suffered a lot
[00:11:29] during this war. Therefore, the risk
[00:11:32] exists. It can be a single
[00:11:35] item or several scattered single items
[00:11:38] in the area where the public can
[00:11:42] come, and locating
[00:11:46] these items is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Yes, but you have
[00:11:49] indications for places where there might be
[00:11:53] more duds. In this
[00:11:55] area,
[00:11:57] then listen, we're talking about the Galilee region.
[00:12:01] It was all hit, both the open areas and the settlements. All the residents
[00:12:05] of the north know this very well. And therefore, the
[00:12:09] issue with duds in the end is not the item,
[00:12:13] but rather the awareness.
[00:12:16] Our awareness is much more important, all
[00:12:18] the public, especially children, especially
[00:12:21] teenagers, especially teachers, and all of us, parents. Everyone
[00:12:25] who travels, and everyone who moves around in this area, in the open
[00:12:28] areas, awareness of suspicious
[00:12:32] objects, of unidentified objects,
[00:12:35] and it's easier and more important
[00:12:38] to prevent touching them, ah, touching
[00:12:42] them, sorry, ah, to understand what to do when you see a suspicious object,
[00:12:46] and that is to report it to the police, and to stay away,
[00:12:49] and to mark it, and not to touch it. Tell us
[00:12:52] how you actually work, just the... I'm just trying
[00:12:55] to understand how it works. You come
[00:12:59] to an area that you
[00:13:01] or your company are supposed to clear. How do you
[00:13:05] work? How do you do it? So,
[00:13:08] that's exactly the point, that this is our profession.
[00:13:11] We are professionals in explosives,
[00:13:14] ammunition, duds. What do you do? This is our profession,
[00:13:18] this is our civilian profession, and when we deal with duds,
[00:13:22] exactly like police sappers whose expertise is disposal.
[00:13:25] And engineers of various kinds and the Yahalom unit, that's their
[00:13:28] expertise. When there's a dud, we wear
[00:13:31] protective clothing, we have detectors, we have
[00:13:35] goggles, we mark and distance
[00:13:38] and tables of safety distances. We
[00:13:41] identify what the dud is. That's our profession, to know what it is,
[00:13:45] and determine its risk. We keep civilians away,
[00:13:48] and we know how to neutralize the danger. When you clear, there are two
[00:13:52] characteristics. Yes, when you... There are two
[00:13:55] characteristics that are important for the public to know about
[00:13:58] a dud, okay? And that is
[00:14:01] that it's very curious and it has
[00:14:05] a lot of patience. A dud is just waiting
[00:14:09] to explode. I would say, both patience
[00:14:12] and something that's curious. This is
[00:14:16] a correct message, and it's a super
[00:14:19] important message, because the more curious it is, the more
[00:14:22] dangerous it is. And... The more
[00:14:25] God forbid, any action is taken on it by someone
[00:14:29] who is not professional to touch
[00:14:32] this dud, it can explode, no matter what
[00:14:35] action, and we also don't know what action, and it doesn't matter what action. If you identify
[00:14:39] a suspicious object, do not touch it. Report it.
[00:14:43] When you are not... Not clear. Clear. Just one last question,
[00:14:46] with your permission, when you enter such areas,
[00:14:49] hiking areas, to clear these
[00:14:53] areas, do you really enter also
[00:14:57] the open areas, meaning off-road, outside the trails
[00:15:00] themselves?
[00:15:03] We know how to do everything they define for us. Companies, like my company,
[00:15:07] that work in this market here in Israel, receive
[00:15:10] a defined area that has a risk of duds, and they need
[00:15:14] to submit it when,
[00:15:16] back to the state, when the risk of duds is
[00:15:20] zero. I understand. To do this, you need to receive a very defined area
[00:15:24] where there is a risk. And here we are talking about an area
[00:15:27] that is very difficult to fence
[00:15:30] off, to say, "Okay, we are looking at such a point
[00:15:33] or another." You need to define an area that will be
[00:15:36] scanned.
[00:15:52] Thank you very much.
[00:15:55] Thank you. Liran, I want to get back to you before
[00:15:57] the statement
[00:16:00] from Minister of Education Yoav Kish. You, at some point, already
[00:16:04] connected between the elections and
[00:16:08] this event, uh, in a certain way. When I
[00:16:11] take a step forward, if there were no elections, would there really have been such a statement
[00:16:15] in your opinion? I believe so. After all, there's an event here, and it's
[00:16:19] a very big disaster. I God forbid, don't say
[00:16:22] that Kish's intentions are such, but as a precaution, I
[00:16:26] think we're taking another step here, by the way, as a precaution, to say, "I must
[00:16:30] calm the parents, because I understand parents who tomorrow need to send
[00:16:33] their children on a trip, need to send the children." By the way, it's not just school
[00:16:37] trips, youth movements, everything. Ah, the Ministry of Education's situation
[00:16:40] room also approves them. Meaning, it's possible that there was
[00:16:44] an approval from the Ministry of Education's situation room, that the IDF
[00:16:47] gave an initial approval, and yet we see on the ground that the checks were not
[00:16:51] done properly. So again, we need to see if it's
[00:16:55] indeed related. Minister of Education Kish, whose intentions I don't belittle, there is really
[00:16:58] a difficult event here. The students are in a difficult situation, and there was a difficult
[00:17:02] tragedy here. Let's see, we understand, ah. That Minister of Education Kish
[00:17:06] intends to cancel the trips at least in the northern area. It's possible that in the
[00:17:10] border area too, who defines what the northern area is? We heard earlier Rubi. Most
[00:17:13] of the duds were also
[00:17:17] in the Western Galilee and in the Upper Galilee. What
[00:17:21] happens in other places? It can't reach there. Did they clear everything?
[00:17:25] No one, I'm sure no one will want to take responsibility now, especially not
[00:17:28] in the northern district of the Ministry of Education. Absolutely,
[00:17:31] Liran, you remain with us for now because we are waiting
[00:17:35] for the statement from the Minister of Education.
[00:17:38] Elections in 15 days. Let's move on to a topic, what
[00:17:42] is called in a way, how
[00:17:45] shall we say, we cut sharply to the right or
[00:17:48] left, it doesn't matter. Shachar Glick, Ya'ar HaShfira. Hello, hello.
[00:17:52] 15 days, right? Yes, I was right. You are counting
[00:17:55] the seconds. Two weeks and one day.
[00:17:58] And first of all, yesterday's poll of ours with a reversal between
[00:18:02] the blocs. You see in the numbers Netanyahu's bloc rising to 53
[00:18:05] seats. Gantz's bloc, if we don't count Hendel and Sa'ar with him,
[00:18:09] drops to 50 seats. The Arab parties remain
[00:18:13] stable, and so do Sa'ar and Hendel. But you really see
[00:18:16] in this change that Netanyahu continues to gain momentum, a bit
[00:18:20] artificial, because it's happening because Ofer and Vanter are passing the electoral threshold.
[00:18:24] But those who are really falling, and falling, are the change bloc, again and again,
[00:18:27] week after week, another seat and another seat. Seven seats
[00:18:30] in two months, that's how much the bloc lost, this bloc. And again, much of it is really around
[00:18:34] the electoral threshold games, but the overall picture.
[00:18:39] It's possible that following the data we presented here
[00:18:42] yesterday in the poll, Netanyahu will change direction and will no longer attack
[00:18:46] Vanter. A, why change direction? The data was excellent for Netanyahu yesterday
[00:18:50] in the poll, so maybe he should say, "Okay, I'll let him pass the
[00:18:54] electoral threshold." That's against. Look, we always need
[00:18:57] to wonder
[00:18:59] if there's some kind of double game here, right? That's the question
[00:19:02] hanging in the air, because it's possible that to a large extent, what
[00:19:06] caused Ofer to pass the electoral threshold again was precisely
[00:19:09] the attacks from the coalition. At first, they activated
[00:19:13] him, and at some point, the attacks became so significant
[00:19:16] and lost credibility, I would like to say, in some way, because in the end,
[00:19:20] there's a limit. You can't say about Ofer Vanter that he's part of the left
[00:19:24] bloc. I mean, you can try, but at some point, it just annoys people,
[00:19:28] and it seems to me that's what brought Vanter above the electoral threshold. We need to say about
[00:19:32] the threshold in our poll, he is passing, really
[00:19:35] just barely scraping the electoral threshold from above this time, but
[00:19:39] really just scraping it. And Sa'ar and Hendel, by the way, are actually
[00:19:42] doing well. Not even Hendel and Sa'ar are close to a fifth seat
[00:19:46] in our poll, the same numbers. But from the
[00:19:50] other side of the numbers, in the end, it converges to four
[00:19:53] seats. But there is some significance to four seats, from the low
[00:19:57] or high side, which we... In the end, these are not the real results. We are just trying to read
[00:20:01] the picture and understand the trends.
[00:20:03] Clearly, I think that Likud is taking
[00:20:07] a very big risk with Ofer Vanter. Ah, these attacks,
[00:20:11] but but Vanter makes them take
[00:20:15] some kind of gamble, because Netanyahu doesn't trust him,
[00:20:18] really on a personal level he doesn't trust him,
[00:20:21] as a coalition partner. He would not want to find him in the coalition
[00:20:24] negotiations after these elections. And on the other hand, it's clear
[00:20:28] that if they manage to bring Vanter down, but not enough, then he will burn a lot
[00:20:32] of right-wing votes. Let's talk a bit about the change bloc. Benet
[00:20:36] yesterday stands up.
[00:20:38] And essentially does a flip-flop regarding Netanyahu. "I would have given him
[00:20:42] to be a minister," and then is immediately attacked by
[00:20:45] the entire bloc with him, who just
[00:20:48] a week ago claimed they weren't... What happened there? Yes, it seems
[00:20:52] his partners were waiting for him in the corner. Meaning, Benet said it jokingly,
[00:20:56] in response to some rhetorical question
[00:20:59] from the audience. But you know, this really teaches more about the change
[00:21:03] bloc than about Netanyahu, no? Meaning, you see that he really
[00:21:07] hurries to apologize, and you see that minutes after it was said,
[00:21:09] Avigdor Liberman and Gadi Eisenkot
[00:21:13] attack him and say, "Absolutely not!" And also Yair Golan. Meaning, the members
[00:21:17] of the change bloc are mainly busy trying to take
[00:21:20] votes from each other and briefing against each other
[00:21:23] and showing how everyone tries to catch him in the corner
[00:21:27] with his words. Today, Eisenkot also puts it out there and is already running a campaign
[00:21:31] right over their heads. Meaning, "You need to vote for me so that I can be the largest party. Only if I am big
[00:21:34] will we be able to form a government." Why exactly? Because you know,
[00:21:38] in the end, unlike Netanyahu's bloc in the opposition, there is no
[00:21:41] clear leader, even if Eisenkot definitely has the most seats and is currently emerging
[00:21:45] as a candidate. They don't say no, but but but you know,
[00:21:49] in the end. What is it for? To be a clear leader, you need enough seats behind you. Netanyahu
[00:21:53] has his whole bloc, 53 seats, who come and say, "He will be Prime
[00:21:56] Minister." Gadi Eisenkot has his people, and that's it.
[00:22:00] Meaning, Yair Golan doesn't talk about it clearly and concisely. He talked
[00:22:04] about it a bit. Those who certainly don't talk about it are neither Liberman nor Benet nor Lapid. Meaning,
[00:22:08] no one is willing to say that they are standing behind him. So
[00:22:11] Eisenkot doesn't really have a bloc behind him. And therefore, you
[00:22:14] know, in an attempt for everyone to be prime minister themselves later on, they are mainly
[00:22:18] busy trying to take from each other, and less really in the big
[00:22:22] battle. Yaron, President Isaac Herzog appears at
[00:22:25] the Yedioth Ahronoth conference and says, "I will do everything
[00:22:29] to prevent additional elections." Essentially, to get
[00:22:32] out of this deadlock. And immediately he is attacked by Yair
[00:22:36] Lapid, and then they ask themselves, "Okay, what is 'everything'? Everything includes
[00:22:39] a unity government? Everything includes what exactly?" Yair Lapid is
[00:22:43] the first and only one to issue a response that says, "I really hope Herzog isn't trying
[00:22:47] again to force such a false unity, in which
[00:22:50] Netanyahu will lie to his partners." Look, I think
[00:22:53] that Herzog is very sincere in his
[00:22:56] intention to try and reach agreements after
[00:22:59] the elections, in a way that will prevent reaching another
[00:23:03] election. Assuming we reach real election results
[00:23:06] that look more or less like Dudi Hassid's polls, then indeed there's no solution,
[00:23:10] and we need political solutions that are outside the box. What's outside
[00:23:13] the box? There are some that are intra-bloc.
[00:23:17] Eisenkot suggested one of them, right? A solution outside the box.
[00:23:20] He says: "Let's form a minority government. Whoever wants, it doesn't matter if they're Arabs
[00:23:24] or what exactly they are. Whoever wants to abstain, let them abstain,
[00:23:28] and we will swear in a government." Would Liberman agree to such a situation,
[00:23:31] to such a declaration? Currently he says no, and maybe
[00:23:35] it depends on the price. I'm saying, there are all sorts of solutions that are outside the box.
[00:23:39] Does it include a unity government? Is that something
[00:23:42] reasonable for the president to put on the table? If we reach
[00:23:46] election results that look like this, very likely, very likely that the
[00:23:50] option of a unity government, very likely he will try
[00:23:53] to use a pardon for Netanyahu as a political
[00:23:56] tool. All this basket of options is definitely on
[00:23:59] the table. And in this sense, Yair
[00:24:02] Lapid's fear, if he was afraid, then it was a justified fear, because
[00:24:06] in the absence of a decision, someone who really doesn't want a unity
[00:24:10] government may be disappointed. I'll use
[00:24:13] the one barometer for both of you. I'll start with you,
[00:24:16] Shachar. The correspondences of Ulrich and all the
[00:24:20] noise around those correspondences, how much influence does
[00:24:23] that have in the end? Pollsters like
[00:24:27] to use two words: "everything is priced in." Meaning, in the end,
[00:24:30] people are familiar with the conduct of Netanyahu's office based
[00:24:33] on dozens of publications over the years. Those who are influenced by it
[00:24:37] are already out, already gone. Meaning, you know, those who said it back then in the last
[00:24:41] week of the Knesset when they passed all the laws that caused a stir around the Haredim, those
[00:24:44] who left Netanyahu because of his relations with the Haredim or because of the conduct of the people
[00:24:48] around him or because of corruption have already left him. Now
[00:24:53] no one suddenly gets up and says, "Oh, that's how the office is run, so I'll leave." There were enough publications that whoever believed them believed them until now,
[00:24:57] and whoever doesn't believe them doesn't believe them now either. Those who are influenced by it
[00:25:00] were already influenced until now, and those who aren't, aren't. And that's why we see such a long stagnation.
[00:25:04] Meaning, it's also the security events, from Iran to
[00:25:07] Fly Dubai. In the end, everyone has already made up their mind. Those who were
[00:25:11] moved by it were already moved by it in the previous stages.
[00:25:15] Excellent. Against repeat elections.
[00:25:18] Exactly. So I ask. If there's no movement and nothing
[00:25:22] is changing, why do we keep trying anyway and deciphering things
[00:25:26] if everything is not... So you see that there are indeed very, very small movements, but they're not happening.
[00:25:30] It makes you... but I'm allowed to be a hero
[00:25:33] and get out. I want to tell you, on the contrary,
[00:25:37] on the contrary, if we are in a situation where we are really on
[00:25:40] the edge and every seat matters, you need
[00:25:43] to follow every trend in the polls, because every trend really dictates
[00:25:46] the outcome. What's the surprise for you two? Go with
[00:25:50] me. No, give me a surprise, not results.
[00:25:54] Who will be the surprise of the elections? So, let's just say, again, I don't know what
[00:25:58] to tell you, no, wait, but I will say, where are my eyes
[00:26:02] going?
[00:26:11] The electoral threshold at the last minute. But I remind you that two elections ago,
[00:26:14] everyone thought Ra'am would fall, and suddenly it passed. Meaning, I think the surprise
[00:26:18] will really be in those areas. Suddenly, I don't know, the Haredi public party or some small
[00:26:22] party that you didn't imagine will rise, or indeed both of them collapsed,
[00:26:25] also, meaning, Sa'ar with 3.3 in our last
[00:26:28] poll and also Vanter with 3.3%. Both
[00:26:32] of them are too close to the electoral threshold.
[00:26:35] In my estimation, it will be around there, but you know, the nature of surprises is that they are
[00:26:38] surprising. Yarak Pazil, his twin sister, ah,
[00:26:42] I'll even risk more. I think the large
[00:26:45] parties will lose seats, both Likud
[00:26:49] and last in the real
[00:26:52] results. Yes, I'm talking, but when will this happen? You'll see this threshold
[00:26:55] where at the last minute small parties in the same
[00:26:58] bloc. Ah, usually we are used to saying the opposite, right? That at the last minute the big
[00:27:19] ones will fall, and that we will see a political map
[00:27:22] that is more flat, which will allow
[00:27:26] more political maneuvering the day after. You see a party that has
[00:27:29] never passed the electoral threshold and suddenly it
[00:27:33] will pass at the last minute as a kind of protest vote or a wave or a
[00:27:36] trend. So again, it's far two, it's far. We are all
[00:27:40] talking about Vanter and Sa'ar now, it's not not... I'm talking even
[00:27:44] more. Vanter and Sa'ar have already passed. Someone who hasn't passed, Gantz,
[00:27:47] the Haredi public. So again, I said. several times on this
[00:27:51] issue. I don't know if it's up to the level of passing the electoral threshold. I think the Haredi public is
[00:27:55] our blind spot. We don't see how widespread this story is.
[00:27:58] Again, right now, it's far from the electoral threshold, but it's much bigger than how.
[00:28:04] It's more than that. These are people who are truly in every synagogue in the Haredi public,
[00:28:07] in the soft underbelly of the Haredi public, in its mainstream, and not just in the
[00:28:11] liberal Haredi public. Friends, it was
[00:28:14] fascinating, just trying to open you up
[00:28:17] and say, "Come on, you said it," and so on. The podcast is coming soon, thank you,
[00:28:21] thank you very much, the podcast is coming soon, indeed. Good,
[00:28:24] we're going back to the disaster on the trip
[00:28:27] in the North. In fact, we're going back 16
[00:28:30] years, to 2010. Daniel Yuval was only
[00:28:34] 11 when he stepped on a mine on Mount Orital in the Golan
[00:28:37] Heights, and his foot was amputated. This is how it sounded. So
[00:28:41] here. Yuval reconstructs today in front of the cameras the trip to Mount
[00:28:45] Orital that began as a day of fun in the Golan and ended
[00:28:48] in disaster and the amputation of his foot. And suddenly
[00:28:52] we heard an explosion, and apparently I stepped
[00:28:55] just a centimeter from the mine,
[00:28:58] and nothing happened to my little brother Yoav, because he was... right behind
[00:29:01] my dad.
[00:29:04] 2,000 minefields are scattered in the Golan Heights, containing more
[00:29:08] than a million mines. Some say it's the most mined area
[00:29:12] in the world, and yet, in many fields, the
[00:29:15] signs are faded and the fences
[00:29:17] are breached. And we saw many people around us,
[00:29:21] and there was no sign of a fence or
[00:29:24] mines. And only
[00:29:27] at the top, far from us,
[00:29:31] if. That there
[00:29:34] might have been mines that we didn't cross
[00:29:37] them. Over the years, dozens of civilians have been injured in the Golan Heights by
[00:29:41] mines that exploded near homes or in popular
[00:29:45] hiking areas.
[00:29:47] Yes, and now he's with us. Hello,
[00:29:50] Daniel. Hello. Take
[00:29:54] us back 16 years, following the event that happened
[00:29:57] this afternoon. How did you feel
[00:30:01] then? What happened? A year ago, I was on a trip
[00:30:04] to see snow with my family in the Golan Heights, an 11-year-old
[00:30:08] boy.
[00:30:10] We arrived in the Golan Heights to play in the snow, me and my whole
[00:30:13] family. We played in the snow for just a few
[00:30:16] minutes, and then I stepped on
[00:30:19] a mine. My leg was amputated below
[00:30:22] the knee. My other leg was also very badly injured. I was injured
[00:30:26] in the calf muscle. And then began
[00:30:29] a very, very long journey to recover
[00:30:33] and return to life. Tell me, Daniel, how did it make you feel
[00:30:37] when you heard the news today about that unexploded ordnance that also
[00:30:41] led to a fatality,
[00:30:42] unfortunately?
[00:30:45] First of all, my heart goes out to the victim's family,
[00:30:49] and of course I also wish a speedy recovery to all the
[00:30:52] injured and their families.
[00:30:55] Ah, it's a difficult, difficult event, a disaster.
[00:30:59] Everything must be done, everything, everything to prevent this from happening. It cannot happen. Everything
[00:31:02] possible to prevent it. It's true that we are a country
[00:31:06] in a state of war, but still, everything must be done to prevent such
[00:31:10] incidents. Daniel, do you think that following the very
[00:31:13] tragic incident that happened to you, lessons were
[00:31:17] learned regarding unexploded ordnance in the field,
[00:31:20] mines? I think
[00:31:24] that the legislation was, it was a significant
[00:31:27] step to learn lessons,
[00:31:30] and an authority was also established, everything can be better,
[00:31:34] and this is something that must be improved,
[00:31:38] and must be prevented in the future. It cannot be that such events happen like what happened
[00:31:41] today. Do you know of other incidents
[00:31:44] that happened in these matters that ended miraculously, or are these
[00:31:47] things you don't really follow anymore?
[00:31:51] Not something as serious as what happened today. Since
[00:31:55] I was injured, there was one event I heard about,
[00:31:58] but today it's something else entirely.
[00:32:02] After your incident, Israel actually stepped up
[00:32:05] the mine clearance that is also located, among other places,
[00:32:08] in hiking areas. Do you think there is still
[00:32:11] a lot of work to be done around this issue, or is it
[00:32:15] a story that we essentially have no choice but to accept, and it's
[00:32:18] fate? Those unexploded ordnance will always be there, and there's nothing we can do about
[00:32:22] it.
[00:32:27] Look, when I was injured and we passed the legislation for mine
[00:32:31] clearance, the expectation was that within 15 years
[00:32:34] Israel would be mine-free. And then I remember myself as a child saying, "20
[00:32:38] 25, Israel is mine-free," and unexploded ordnance, of course, that didn't
[00:32:40] happen. And
[00:32:44] it's just something
[00:32:46] that must
[00:32:49] be taken to a place where we can improve it, and we must improve it,
[00:32:52] because we are not there. Daniel Yuval, thank you very much for
[00:32:56] these words. Thank you very much.
[00:32:59] Let's just remember that Daniel Yuval
[00:33:02] is now 27 years old. We remember
[00:33:05] him as a child from that tragic
[00:33:08] event. This concludes our special broadcast.
[00:33:11] We will immediately go live from the site of the explosion in the Ramim Ridge.
[00:33:15] And the statement by Minister of Education Yoav Kisch at Rambam
[00:33:18] Hospital. Immediately the headlines of Kan News
[00:33:22] with Tali Moreno. Have a good evening, everyone, a quiet evening.
[00:33:36] Come, Khumi, we're going to vote. Wait, where's my ballot box, really?
[00:33:40] Carefree, not me this time.
[00:33:42] Carefree.
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[00:33:49] I've got you. No, I've got you, I'm telling you, the address,
[00:33:53] the ballot box number, everything is on me. Look,
[00:33:56] it's on me, it says, come, come see how it's done. You go to the Ministry
[00:34:00] of Interior website and everything is here. Excuse me, did anyone talk
[00:34:02] to you? Wait, I have a phone call. Forget
[00:34:05] about the computer, it's just updating software. I'm already in your
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[00:34:13] remember your password? Wait. Do you and you and you know where I
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[00:34:39] News.
[00:34:43] One dead and 23
[00:34:51] one of the children there on the rabbi and on two
[00:34:54] children.
[00:34:57] The testimonies from the trip that ended in disaster, the approval
[00:35:01] for the route, and the suspicion of negligence that led
[00:35:04] to the explosion. The trip is approved according to all
[00:35:07] criteria, and there's no such thing as going on a trip without
[00:35:10] approvals from all
[00:35:11] parties.
[00:35:45] I would like to say that I personally, neither I nor my colleagues in the group
[00:35:48] were surprised.
[00:35:55] And also 40 years to Alex Holi Love, the movie
[00:35:58] that became.