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[00:00:00] Next, none of the party leaders ruled out
[00:00:03] forming a government relying on the Haredi parties,
[00:00:06] specifically United Torah Judaism, whose chances of joining are
[00:00:10] probably a bit more reasonable compared to Shas, although I wouldn't say
[00:00:13] excellent chances. We didn't discuss the possible
[00:00:17] concessions that would need to be made to bring in Haredi parties,
[00:00:21] but no one ruled out the idea itself. Yes, Naira,
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[00:01:04] That's all for our news update for this hour. Immediately after us, Kalman Lieberman
[00:01:08] with a news report on Reshet B. Our next update at 9,
[00:01:11] have a good and quiet morning. Goodbye for now.
[00:07:20] give a summary of what has happened since we saw them sitting together
[00:07:24] in love, brotherhood, peace, and friendship the day before
[00:07:27] yesterday evening. That was on Sunday,
[00:07:30] and honestly, it really is an unprecedented event
[00:07:33] in the enforcement system. You asked what happened, nothing has happened
[00:07:37] since then in terms of the fact that there is a disconnect between, even
[00:07:41] though we saw them together. Uh, the head of the Shin Bet,
[00:07:44] the police's internal affairs unit, which is also supposed to get involved,
[00:07:48] in the incident, and what we mostly see are open confrontations,
[00:07:51] but in practice, nothing is happening in the investigation, and I
[00:07:54] will explain the background.
[00:07:57] Uh, currently there is an unprecedented confrontation also
[00:08:01] within the Shin Bet, between senior officials in the organization and the head of the Shin Bet, Zini.
[00:08:04] We also published about him extensively. Uh, and also
[00:08:07] between the internal affairs unit and the head of the Shin Bet, the root
[00:08:11] of the confrontation is... Zini's desire, at least as he expresses
[00:08:14] it in internal meetings, to investigate
[00:08:17] with assistance a series of senior officials in parties, in Arab parties,
[00:08:21] on suspicion of electoral bribery, without
[00:08:24] any, except for one of them whom we will get to soon, any indication
[00:08:27] of their involvement, reasonable suspicion, a certain clue
[00:08:31] that connects them, apart from perhaps general information that has not yet
[00:08:35] been presented by the Shin Bet regarding matters related to elections in the Arab community
[00:08:38] and in general. Zini is interested in conducting a broad investigation
[00:08:42] with the implications of the integrity of the elections in the Arab community,
[00:08:45] with investigations of political activists, of Knesset members, of many
[00:08:49] factors, without presenting to enforcement authorities, at least from what
[00:08:52] we understand in those meetings, also to people within the Shin Bet and also
[00:08:56] to the internal affairs unit and in general,
[00:08:59] what are his indications to proceed with those investigations
[00:09:03] apart from general complaints and information that exist now. There is a very interesting publication
[00:09:06] by Avishai Greens of Channel 24 last night about that meeting,
[00:09:09] and there Zini raises four
[00:09:12] names. One is that Knesset member
[00:09:15] about whom there was indeed information two and a half weeks ago
[00:09:19] that he received funds that allegedly
[00:09:22] he uses for elections. Allegedly, there is a suspicion that it is money from foreign
[00:09:26] involvement, and by the way, even our investigations are not clear about the source
[00:09:29] of the money. At first they thought it was Qatar, it could be the Palestinian Authority, it could be
[00:09:33] another source, no, no, no, he is still, I
[00:09:36] still cannot define him as a suspect because he is not yet, but he received money
[00:09:40] from a foreign entity. What was it for? He
[00:09:43] received funds from a certain
[00:09:47] place, and it is believed that the source, meaning the initial source of
[00:09:50] the money, is a foreign entity. It could be that, what he does with the money, I don't
[00:09:54] know. The suspicion is, the suspicion is that it is used
[00:09:57] for elections, okay, meaning either for a campaign or for matters
[00:10:00] related to transporting voters and things in that area, or even electoral bribery. So why
[00:10:04] isn't he investigated? Again, the investigation still isn't
[00:10:08] going anywhere, meaning it's not at this stage yet. Wait, but what is electoral
[00:10:11] bribery? What does electoral bribery mean? He is a Knesset
[00:10:15] member already. If this money eventually at the end, this is how you'll see. If this money
[00:10:18] eventually at the end, electoral bribery is not, this
[00:10:22] is a term I take from that famous S to Solberg last
[00:10:26] Thursday, where he wrote this term. But, uh, there are
[00:10:29] several possibilities: electoral bribery, which is the extreme possibility for which there is
[00:10:33] currently no evidence on the ground, but it's something they are investigating.
[00:10:36] It's if this money eventually goes to give some benefit
[00:10:40] to the voter, whether in cash or in another form.
[00:10:44] Another option is that it also goes to a campaign. This is also forbidden
[00:10:47] because there is an issue of election finance laws and also
[00:10:51] matters related to foreign interference. This is the substantive information
[00:10:55] that is being investigated. From here all the storm broke out. By the way, I will say parenthetically,
[00:10:59] between tens of millions of dollars from Qatar and this
[00:11:02] event there is a great distance. But certainly not even thousands of shekels
[00:11:06] from the Palestinian Authority, that's very bad. But there's something I don't understand why you're not mentioning it at all.
[00:11:10] Now,
[00:11:12] a question. They're talking about four MKs, three
[00:11:16] of whom, the police claim, Zini wants to investigate
[00:11:20] them without any information. Their names
[00:11:23] we published. The one I understand has
[00:11:27] the most information, that one we are not publishing.
[00:11:30] Why? Maybe we will publish it in the future, we need to see
[00:11:34] how, the investigation, currently, currently
[00:11:37] it is again, currently when it is information, currently when this matter
[00:11:40] is preliminary information,
[00:11:43] and it could be, again, it could be that after we progress here with the investigation,
[00:11:47] his name will also be published or after he is investigated, we will also reach
[00:11:49] these areas. But regarding the others, again, their name was published in another
[00:11:53] context. I'm talking about Tibi. Mansour Bass and Sami Abu Shahadeh.
[00:11:57] Two of them are Knesset members, one is not. Their
[00:12:01] names come up within the meetings, those
[00:12:04] internal meetings, by
[00:12:07] Zini, but there is no
[00:12:10] information presented, by the way, not even to the Shin Bet personnel themselves.
[00:12:14] Meaning, it's not some, it's not
[00:12:18] just a confrontation between the Shin Bet and the internal affairs unit, but also within the Shin Bet itself,
[00:12:21] between the head of the division and two senior officials there and Zini.
[00:12:25] There is no indication or suspicion or something
[00:12:28] in the material that raises the question that Mansour Bass is involved one way or another, but
[00:12:32] certain general information, let's say, okay, I'm giving it on a theoretical
[00:12:36] level.
[00:12:38] For example, things that happened with Ra'am some of which were even investigated,
[00:12:41] and then we will also demand, within this framework, to investigate
[00:12:45] Mansour Bass. These are at least expressions that arise in those internal
[00:12:48] meetings, and here is the root of the confrontation,
[00:12:52] and also the statement that is then issued publicly.
[00:12:59] A Member of Knesset certainly requires an investigation by the Shabak, resources, everything we
[00:13:03] know. It needs reasonable suspicion, it needs certain evidence, it needs something that connects him,
[00:13:07] and not to embark on some investigation
[00:13:10] in which political activists
[00:13:14] and leaders are investigated, without the enforcement authorities
[00:13:17] even understanding where, where the information is, and whether these are things that we
[00:13:21] base on various general information or publications.
[00:13:25] Or things that are random, or on problematic material, as
[00:13:29] it is known, for example, regarding
[00:13:32] the money that did pass, and another thing that generally
[00:13:36] causes many question marks regarding the last few days, and this, in my opinion,
[00:13:39] is a spirit that goes beyond the boundaries of the enforcement system, perhaps even a political
[00:13:43] spirit. But in the last three days, nothing
[00:13:47] has happened in the investigation, apart from the claims about the hands being tied. In fact,
[00:13:50] on Sunday, Solberg decides together with Zini and the director of the police, and they all
[00:13:54] sit. Joint that a joint investigation team be established,
[00:13:58] Shin Bet, police, prosecution together, why? Because there are many
[00:14:01] criminal aspects in the extent that he is not
[00:14:04] necessarily the security aspect that the Shin Bet investigates, but since then
[00:14:07] that team has not been established. The Shin Bet does not transfer the material to the police, there was no
[00:14:11] even an appeal between the Shin Bet and the police. We know about the Shin Bet itself if
[00:14:15] it is engaged in an investigation,
[00:14:18] if it is carrying out, what investigation actions the Shin Bet is carrying out in practice.
[00:14:22] We are two or three days. It
[00:14:26] could be that he is carrying out certain
[00:14:29] investigation actions with his means,
[00:14:33] but in terms of Solberg's holding, this should come from a joint
[00:14:36] investigation team together with the police, which has not yet been established. Here we have
[00:14:40] some lack that is difficult to understand.
[00:14:44] This also appears eventually also
[00:14:46] in the official announcements, because eventually a team is supposed to be established here
[00:14:49] of, uh, not 433 of
[00:14:53] the Shin Bet, by the way, as in many investigations that also happened in the past,
[00:14:56] and this is not happening, and in the background, many,
[00:15:00] many, uh, many claims that we hear from various
[00:15:04] publications about Zini claiming that his hands are tied, and of course this
[00:15:07] relates to many other issues, and what is not happening,
[00:15:11] at least to my understanding, because obviously the police also need to get involved in this
[00:15:14] matter, information that we see on social media or
[00:15:18] in publications or things like that about cash
[00:15:21] envelopes, and apart from the investigations that we know of about
[00:15:24] those. There is currently no investigation, there is currently certainly not
[00:15:28] in the police. In the police, there is one case that is not going anywhere, about those
[00:15:32] cash envelopes that were found in
[00:15:34] the house of a Ra'am activist who also s. Currently all
[00:15:38] the suspects except one will be released, and one is supposed to be released today, and that's it, this case is not
[00:15:41] progressing. So currently from all the claims that we
[00:15:45] hear, what is supposed to happen, a joint investigation team of the Shin Bet
[00:15:49] and the police is currently not progressing.
[00:15:52] The only thing that there is some
[00:15:56] investigation about is that information that arrived two and a half weeks ago about
[00:15:59] those hundreds of thousands of shekels that allegedly arrived for the use of the Joint List.
[00:16:02] Yes, and let's say one more thing, this information
[00:16:06] did not interfere. And this is also a point that needs to be questioned. These questions
[00:16:09] did not prevent the head of the Shin Bet from coming and saying on Tuesday, on Election Day, that everything
[00:16:13] is proceeding normally and the integrity of the elections is preserved in an inspiring way. Explain, explain
[00:16:17] the possibilities. There are several possibilities. First of all, I
[00:16:20] will remind you that the Shin Bet, its role, one
[00:16:24] of its important roles, is to preserve the democratic order of government, and in the context
[00:16:27] of elections, it is to prevent foreign interference, to thwart it, to thwart any threat to the integrity
[00:16:31] of the elections. Meaning, if information now came that Qatar or
[00:16:35] Turkey or there are activists or there is someone trying to harm the elections. The Shin Bet's
[00:16:38] first and foremost role is to thwart it so that the elections
[00:16:41] will proceed properly. And the information
[00:16:44] that reaches Zini, the head of the Shin Bet, and
[00:16:47] in general, the Shin Bet, two weeks before, is information
[00:16:51] that they decide to check, to conduct some investigation, still at a covert level,
[00:16:55] but they do not carry out any thwarting operation, meaning there is
[00:16:58] no prevention operation here. Why? I can
[00:17:02] only assume that they did not see it as some threat to the integrity
[00:17:05] of the elections at a level
[00:17:07] that requires a thwarting operation now or something that is at such an extreme level, because on
[00:17:11] Tuesday, on Election Day, Zini says
[00:17:14] in front of everyone, in front
[00:17:17] of the microphones, that all the attempts
[00:17:21] that were made, if any, to harm the integrity of the elections were thwarted,
[00:17:25] and that from all the information he knows, the elections
[00:17:28] are being conducted properly, in an inspiring way, when he is already exposed
[00:17:32] to information. Uh, and therefore
[00:17:36] I, I can conclude that the information he had
[00:17:40] on Tuesday, if indeed he said
[00:17:43] those things, was not at such
[00:17:46] a level that there is systematic harm
[00:17:50] to the integrity of the elections, and there has been no, at least according to
[00:17:53] all the enforcement authorities and sources that we consult with, no dramatic
[00:17:57] information
[00:18:00] has emerged, that time will do its work,
[00:18:03] at least in the sense that we will know more. Yanovsky, thank you very much.
[00:18:12] States, the country you just returned
[00:18:15] from. We'll speak as an expert. No, do you feel like it's
[00:18:19] your elections?
[00:18:22] It's kind of funny, but not funny, because there are people who, like, come back from two days
[00:18:26] of this and they're experts at something. You
[00:18:28] understand? So I, I'll pass on the pleasant opportunity you gave
[00:18:32] me. Good, uh, Ariel Sander is the campaign
[00:18:36] manager for the Republican Party in Israel. Hello, good
[00:18:40] morning to you, good night to us, even though you're good. I would frame
[00:18:43] it now. Oh, speak, frame it, how would you phrase
[00:18:47] it? Listen, what, you know, no, Bialik
[00:18:50] didn't just write about the corruption. I think
[00:18:52] it
[00:18:55] perfectly described our feeling here. If
[00:18:59] you had interviewed me yesterday, my feeling
[00:19:02] here would have been less in the New York campaign
[00:19:06] there would have been a completely different feeling. In many
[00:19:09] states in the United States, the feeling was
[00:19:13] of a fighting spirit and especially for the seats
[00:19:16] in the Senate, but a hard
[00:19:19] blow, a hard blow in the United States,
[00:19:23] the President, who, for his part, really devoted two years
[00:19:27] to the benefit of the United States, achieved amazing
[00:19:30] results, the public in the United States,
[00:19:33] thinks that something was messed with him.
[00:19:37] And not in the United States as a result of his conduct also
[00:19:41] on the Russian- Ukrainian side and of course says this contradicts what
[00:19:43] Trump says. Trump says this is not me
[00:19:47] at all, this is not related to me. If my name was on
[00:19:50] the ballot, it wouldn't be like this. They are voting for them, not
[00:19:53] for me. So let me explain to you what he is saying, and he is right,
[00:19:57] so we understand the resolution, because what the President says, the 2024
[00:20:00] elections were about Trump
[00:20:03] versus Harris. This time, the
[00:20:07] president cannot be responsible for every candidate
[00:20:10] in every state, and some
[00:20:13] of the votes for some candidates are not
[00:20:16] about whether Trump did his job in the last two years, yes or no,
[00:20:20] but who their candidate is, what he gave them in Congress or in the Senate
[00:20:23] during his time in service. And there are
[00:20:27] many, many, and again, candidates that the President did not
[00:20:30] want to see on the lists, but that's completely irrelevant. And that's why he said the sentence
[00:20:34] that if his name wasn't on the ballot, he would have won
[00:20:38] it. Ah, and we need to understand that. Therefore, therefore, therefore
[00:20:42] this statement, but one of the things
[00:20:45] that should worry us and I hear
[00:20:49] it even in the Republican campaign
[00:20:52] headquarters is that Israel
[00:20:56] may be to blame for some of these failures because
[00:21:00] of the Iranian issue, and that's not healthy, not healthy for Israel, it's not
[00:21:03] healthy for Jews here at all, and we need to understand that.
[00:21:07] Israel is to blame. Israel is to blame. Is that what you say, or is that what
[00:21:09] Americans say? This is what
[00:21:11] today, whoever listens
[00:21:14] in the United States, yes, Israel
[00:21:18] as a result of the campaign against Iran. Israel is part of it, so
[00:21:22] Israel, you know, Jews are always found to blame
[00:21:25] by elements here in the United States, and I
[00:21:29] hear this slowly and quietly, and it's starting to pick up
[00:21:33] pace. I hear it also on news
[00:21:36] channels like CNN and CNBC, and even on Fox News,
[00:21:39] they're already asking these questions: Is the overly
[00:21:43] close connection between Iran,
[00:21:47] Israel, and the United States what created this painful
[00:21:50] loss? Is that why Trump also issued that statement
[00:21:53] yesterday about cutting off security aid
[00:21:57] to Israel? No, I think that this issue of
[00:22:01] security aid to Israel is one of the most fundamentally important things
[00:22:04] that Israel needs to do, and that's it. That's
[00:22:07] essentially, I think, what sits on
[00:22:11] the American side, who have been saying for several years, "Make America great
[00:22:14] again." You take care of the United States of America first.
[00:22:18] All foreign aid.
[00:22:20] No, but the question is whether Trump says this specifically on Election
[00:22:23] Day, because he knows that Israel harms
[00:22:27] him. No, because he knows that one of the things that bothers
[00:22:30] the majority of potential voters
[00:22:34] of the Republican Party is the fact
[00:22:37] that Israel, supposedly, besides everything that happened between
[00:22:40] the United States and Israel regarding the Iranian issue, also receives four
[00:22:44] billion dollars a year in security aid, and it could
[00:22:47] be that this is something that will bring in more. A few voters, which
[00:22:51] turned out to be yes. There are two issues here. One issue
[00:22:55] is the aid issue, which is worth a discussion in itself, but perhaps the more disturbing
[00:22:59] issue than the aid issue, is the understanding
[00:23:02] that Trump thought that on this day when he is running in the midterm
[00:23:06] elections, it would be good for Americans to hear his statement.
[00:23:09] This is disturbing, isn't it? No, it's not a matter
[00:23:12] of, I think for Trump, it's a matter of bother. There is substance
[00:23:16] and there is the semantics of politics on election day. Everyone
[00:23:20] tries to maximize
[00:23:24] any political gain, and that's what he did. If the political gain passes over
[00:23:27] our heads, that's the issue.
[00:23:30] Problem, problem. I wouldn't want to be there, but
[00:23:33] this attempt to perhaps change the voting pattern among
[00:23:37] some voters was part of the consideration
[00:23:40] in essence, and he also says it. He says
[00:23:43] that Israel today, after three years of crazy
[00:23:47] and blessed activity, also
[00:23:51] fiscally, can today turn this from a place
[00:23:55] of aid to cooperation that is good for both the United
[00:23:58] States and Israel. No, but that's not what they meant, that's not what
[00:24:02] Israel meant to happen. No, no,
[00:24:04] yes, that's what Israel meant to happen. The Prime
[00:24:08] Minister already spoke about this a year ago. Right. He spoke about a gradual
[00:24:12] plan over 10 years, meaning ending
[00:24:15] it. No, but this is a difference, this is night and day
[00:24:19] between finishing this budget plan until
[00:24:22] 2028, and then gradually over 10 years
[00:24:25] weaning off American aid. Here, according to what we understand, and maybe
[00:24:29] you can clarify, Trump is talking about a one-time
[00:24:32] cut. The Israeli system is not built for that.
[00:24:35] So, then it's not a matter of a one-time cut. He spoke about the end of the year,
[00:24:39] which of course is not the end of the year. We are talking about the end of the previous
[00:24:42] aid, which is 28. And that means
[00:24:45] until 28, American money will continue to arrive
[00:24:48] here. The American money will continue to arrive
[00:24:52] as agreed in the old agreement,
[00:24:55] and within this process, they will already start, there is already
[00:24:59] a plan that Netanyahu already put with the Americans, and there have already
[00:25:03] been many discussions about this plan to see
[00:25:06] how to turn this cooperation into one that is beneficial
[00:25:10] for both the United States of America and
[00:25:14] for the State of Israel. You know, but certainly that the agreement
[00:25:17] continues until 28 and from there.
[00:25:21] Look, between the President's statement
[00:25:23] yesterday and our morning today,
[00:25:26] and until now, everyone I talk
[00:25:30] to, including people in the American security establishment,
[00:25:33] says that the intention is not a one-time cut. It's impossible.
[00:25:37] In the end, there are agreements, and there is also an influx of
[00:25:40] systems that have already been agreed upon, and this is not something that can be imposed
[00:25:44] by force. Therefore, the intention is to the end
[00:25:47] of this agreement that ends.
[00:25:50] 28, but, but more importantly, that Israel
[00:25:53] really comes with this plan,
[00:25:57] together with the United States. I tell you here, they welcome
[00:26:01] this move. Very much so, it will remove a very
[00:26:04] heavy burden from Israel's neck. Good,
[00:26:08] just to conclude, if I remember correctly, your previous conversation
[00:26:11] with us, tonight or
[00:26:14] tomorrow, the attack in Iran, right? One
[00:26:18] of the important things that the president was interviewed on Fox
[00:26:21] News about, regarding this issue, he doesn't rule
[00:26:24] out at all the Iranian issue. I want to
[00:26:28] remind all of us that these members who were elected today will be sworn in
[00:26:33] on January 3rd. That means the president has until January
[00:26:37] 3rd to still have both the House of Representatives
[00:26:41] and the Senate, and he can do what needs to be done
[00:26:44] in these 60 days to finish. I
[00:26:47] ask, I ask, we're opening calendars here, when is this going to happen
[00:26:50] in the shelters? So I, I
[00:26:53] think that this is not a matter, again, this is
[00:26:57] not a matter of if, but it is a matter of
[00:27:00] when, in a
[00:27:02] military opportunity, and when it happens, it will happen.
[00:27:06] Let me phrase the question differently. You're in the United States. When is your
[00:27:09] flight back and with which airline? They told me not
[00:27:13] to say my arrival time because I either bother
[00:27:17] people or encourage people. I didn't understand
[00:27:20] why bother people or encourage people. No, because if I say
[00:27:24] when I'll return, they'll say, "Oh, he's returning, so it's fine until
[00:27:27] that day." And if he doesn't return, then it's probably... You really hit the nail on the head
[00:27:30] with that question.
[00:27:33] So I, I, we want to leave, we want to leave this interview with
[00:27:37] insights for the listeners. People paid a lot of money to listen here,
[00:27:40] they want value. Please, I'll say,
[00:27:44] listen, Kalman, at the Chabad House, I didn't
[00:27:47] order the Shabbat meal. My
[00:27:51] Shabbat dinner is yet another thing. This day, I've been praying all week that
[00:27:54] because he's flying tomorrow, he'll land on Friday in a way that you don't think it's a matter of
[00:27:58] days until there's an American attack on Iran. I think
[00:28:02] it's a matter of days, yes, according to what everyone here is saying,
[00:28:05] it's a matter of days. It's a matter of operational
[00:28:09] opportunity. Look, come on,
[00:28:11] all this crazy blockade in our region
[00:28:15] is entirely directed and mobilized for this move.
[00:28:18] All these 48-96 hours that the Pakistanis
[00:28:22] and Qataris tried to bring another opportunity for a deal, the
[00:28:26] maximum and minimum of the Iranians and Americans don't meet. It doesn't
[00:28:29] meet, and Donald Trump wants to remain with a legacy
[00:28:33] that he finished this campaign called
[00:28:36] Iran. Okay, wait, but what did you just sketch out the campaign for me? If we've already gotten
[00:28:39] to this, what is the 12-day format,
[00:28:42] the format of how many two? How many
[00:28:46] weeks? Once
[00:28:48] General Cooper said that even
[00:28:52] when they say they're going to a three-day war, you never
[00:28:55] know if it's three days or three months. You only know when you
[00:28:59] enter this campaign. Yes, good.
[00:29:03] Wise man Cooper, good. Ariel Sender, thank you very much. Can we
[00:29:07] go to sleep? What sleep? When are you flying? Come back. It's
[00:29:11] about to happen. Never mind. Alright, bye.
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[00:32:24] Eldar published the biggest scoop of his
[00:32:27] life. On the very same day, he discovered
[00:32:30] that the love of his life
[00:32:32] was over. A rare conversation in its honesty
[00:32:36] about love and betrayal, about truth and
[00:32:39] the poison machine, about the warning given by the UAE president
[00:32:43] to Netanyahu. On how to recover from the
[00:32:47] lowest point, and you forgot that along the way there was
[00:32:50] also cancer, but it ended with good
[00:32:58] in the middle of it, here they still sell Coke products.
[00:33:01] Excuse me, excuse me, what happened? What is nominated? What happened? Are you really asking me what
[00:33:05] happened? To sell Coke products after
[00:33:08] our deputy general signed the Coke petition? You just beat me to it before
[00:33:12] I came to remove his products.
[00:33:32] A lack of understanding of what's really happening is truly a distortion of
[00:33:35] the perception. The truth must
[00:33:39] come out.
[00:33:44] One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire at our
[00:33:48] stomachs.
[00:33:51] They are the head, they are the culprits. There are many culprits in October 7th, I don't
[00:33:55] think the High Court is one of
[00:33:56] them.
[00:34:00] I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
[00:34:02] stories.
[00:34:09] I very much hope that the Israeli public will believe
[00:34:12] the truth and not follow the lie.
[00:34:27] hello. Hello, hello, good morning. How are
[00:34:31] you?
[00:34:34] I know it's excellent, let's say it's exaggerated, but
[00:34:37] fine. Excellent. It could have been accepted religiously for
[00:34:40] the long period that preceded it. Yes, ah, yes,
[00:34:44] yes. I didn't mean to fake it. It was excellent,
[00:34:47] like that, tired. Given the reality we
[00:34:50] found ourselves in after
[00:34:53] October 27th, what
[00:34:55] reality?
[00:34:58] You can't, there isn't a clear majority in August
[00:35:02] to form a government with Zionist
[00:35:05] parties. You hear terrible
[00:35:08] and ugly voices about a colossal
[00:35:11] violation of promises during elections.
[00:35:15] Suddenly the Conscription Law became
[00:35:18] some kind of elastic rubber
[00:35:21] between me and in the eyes of the change bloc
[00:35:24] and reliance on factors. This hasn't happened yet. It needs
[00:35:28] to be said. It hasn't happened yet. There's a lot of talk, a lot, but it hasn't
[00:35:31] happened. Right, right. But, but the very talk, you
[00:35:34] know, it all starts. Don't think bad thoughts so you don't say them,
[00:35:38] and don't say them so you don't do them, and they
[00:35:42] are the change.
[00:35:45] At the stage of thoughts and talks, and just
[00:35:48] before the action, I hope it doesn't happen, because
[00:35:51] what? But you know, today the Haredim are in the coalition. You must have
[00:35:54] been updated.
[00:35:58] Listen, Lieberman, Lieberman, the difficulty is terribly simple. Come on, so that
[00:36:02] things don't sound like we live on some other
[00:36:05] planet. Whoever is not
[00:36:08] able to identify
[00:36:10] with the Israeli Jewish sentiment
[00:36:13] that... on October 7, 2023,
[00:36:17] and does not condemn what is clear
[00:36:20] above it, the monsters, the monsters who committed
[00:36:23] these terrible acts, and who undermine
[00:36:27] the existence of the state as a Jewish state and seek to turn it
[00:36:31] into a general state like that, you know, of
[00:36:34] everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone. And in the end,
[00:36:37] by means of a ballot box or casting ballots, this time it's
[00:36:40] 19 mandates with what happened, maybe
[00:36:43] to reach mandates. So what kind of
[00:36:46] democracy is that that diseased itself by legal
[00:36:50] means? I didn't understand, but we talked about the Haredim. We talked about the Haredim.
[00:36:54] I didn't talk about the Haredim either.
[00:38:14] Bottom line, he says that his conduct caused
[00:38:18] severe damage to the public interest in upholding the rule of law,
[00:38:21] and this is especially by governmental bodies. He is talking about the fact that the Speaker of the Knesset
[00:38:25] violated a ruling of the court
[00:38:29] that ordered a re-election for the second round
[00:38:33] for the election of the State Comptroller. You see,
[00:38:37] I'll give you a preliminary remark on that, and it's very
[00:38:40] nice that you read 12 pages, and you, I know
[00:38:44] you, I know 12
[00:38:46] pages of a verdict, and you took
[00:38:50] and you took only that from there, so fine.
[00:38:53] Now I'm taking from there first.
[00:38:57] The petition was rejected. There was a petitioner, like many
[00:39:01] petitioners who turn to the High Court and see the High Court as
[00:39:04] the Western
[00:39:07] Wall to which they turn and solve every problem and issue, even
[00:39:10] when it comes to the powers of
[00:39:13] important governmental authorities, like the legislative
[00:39:16] authority, and to transfer it for discussion and decision
[00:39:19] in the High Court. And the High Court came and accepted our
[00:39:23] position. The position
[00:39:25] was that the power
[00:39:29] of the Speaker of the Knesset to set the date
[00:39:32] for the re-election in the next Knesset, and so it was.
[00:39:35] No, no, that's not right. That's not right. Zion,
[00:39:39] 18 Zion, unlike the Tel Aviv derby, in defiance of the High Court,
[00:39:43] sometimes this wonderful thing happens where both sides
[00:39:46] get hurt. And here, the petitioner,
[00:39:49] what am I agreeing to? And here
[00:39:53] the petitioner, and here the petitioner who wanted to compel Amir Ohana, your client, to hold
[00:39:57] elections. Today he lost because he didn't get it, as you said. But your
[00:40:00] client was also accused. The Speaker
[00:40:03] of the Knesset's prolonged abstention from implementing the ruling, that same
[00:40:07] ruling that required holding new elections, is tantamount
[00:40:10] to violating it. The High Court says, the Speaker of the Knesset is violating
[00:40:13] my ruling. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you,
[00:40:17] this is a very complex issue, very
[00:40:20] big. The Israeli public, and our
[00:40:23] governmental systems, and the authorities are grappling with it.
[00:40:27] We are in a frontal collision for too long
[00:40:30] between the authorities. Who has the last word?
[00:40:34] Is the court entitled and able to intervene in every
[00:40:37] single matter, in the work of the Knesset in this case, in the decisions
[00:40:41] of the legislative authority? Remember, among all
[00:40:45] the authorities, this is the most important
[00:40:48] authority, because it expresses the
[00:40:51] will of the people. It is the sovereign, it represents
[00:40:54] the sovereign.
[00:40:57] He argues with the court's ruling. Let's just clarify. The court
[00:41:01] rules that the Speaker of the Knesset violated a court ruling. Let's
[00:41:04] just agree on that. Look,
[00:41:07] look, look, what Amir Ohana, the Speaker
[00:41:10] of the Knesset, said, that the Knesset immediately after
[00:41:13] that, the vote that was disqualified
[00:41:16] by the High Court, he said, the Knesset spoke its
[00:41:19] mind. And he believed that we
[00:41:22] have a State Comptroller, Michael
[00:41:25] Rabello, who was elected.
[00:41:30] This clash between the authorities is nothing new.
[00:41:34] I'm surprised that this clash hasn't
[00:41:37] yet reached a crisis of...
[00:42:10] Ah, but let's go back for a second. Professor Mautner,
[00:42:13] Professor,
[00:42:15] Dotan and others, many good people, who spoke about this clash,
[00:42:19] about the very harsh criticism, about this imperial
[00:42:23] activism of the Supreme Court, on public
[00:42:26] and political issues, and sometimes on war and peace,
[00:42:30] almost reaching that direction, these are difficult things
[00:42:34] that someone believes that the time has come
[00:42:37] to sharpen and stand on these
[00:42:41] in order to restore
[00:42:43] the proper restraint between each authority, of each
[00:42:47] authority, but between the authorities, to respect
[00:42:50] each other's dignity. So it's true that it's a difficult
[00:42:53] thing, not to obey
[00:42:56] an order, of a
[00:42:59] court. But then you, you
[00:43:02] confirm, then you confirm that the Speaker of the Knesset did not obey
[00:43:06] the order. I don't know why this is important.
[00:43:10] Your experience,
[00:43:14] Zion, it's possible, you can argue
[00:43:17] that the final say, to argue the position, but not to say that it's not an important discussion. It's an important
[00:43:20] discussion, a very important discussion, exactly like the important discussion
[00:43:24] that took place in the mid- 19th century, when Lincoln
[00:43:27] did not honor a Supreme Court ruling and it concerned, I no longer remember the
[00:43:31] details.
[00:43:34] Lieberman of the 19th century dealt with this issue, and the fact
[00:43:37] is that 100 years later,
[00:44:15] I'm saying, according to what you say, according to what you say, there's
[00:44:19] a very, very important event here. That's all. That's why I'm saying, the great Lincoln
[00:44:22] , the late, a turning point in the history of the important
[00:44:26] relationship between the legislator and the judge. And I'm telling
[00:44:29] you, if the court, not only the politicians, not only the government, not only
[00:44:33] the Knesset, if the court itself does not take
[00:44:37] itself in this difficult time, in this time of
[00:44:40] shaping that grew and intensified in my opinion after these elections, and I
[00:44:43] hope there will be some kind of, I don't know, some kind of unity,
[00:44:46] not the austerity of
[00:44:49] the parents, but some connection that will allow for some calm,
[00:44:52] not a lot, a little calm that will solve us from all the Berserker
[00:44:56] arguments in the world and all the noisy ones of their kind
[00:44:59] from Redman and Drew. Leave Redman aside. I want
[00:45:03] to bring you back to the topic for a moment. As we said, the High Court said
[00:45:06] that on the one hand, Amir Ohana, the Speaker of the Knesset, violated the High Court's
[00:45:10] ruling. On the other hand, that ruling cannot be implemented
[00:45:14] now because the Knesset is changing, and therefore we are stuck in this
[00:45:17] event, in this place. Now I'm asking you a different question. Let's assume there were no elections
[00:45:21] now, or that the elected Knesset was exactly
[00:45:25] the same as the one that left. Would Amir
[00:45:27] Ohana not have convened the Knesset and not elected
[00:45:30] a State Comptroller for another four
[00:45:32] years? No, that's not, that's not.
[00:45:36] You're asking two separate questions. I only asked one.
[00:45:40] No, convening, equi-situation is one thing.
[00:45:44] The political question, when
[00:45:47] to convene, and if he had convened, no, of course he would have convened,
[00:45:51] of course he would have convened. He said, he said I'm choosing the
[00:45:54] timing. So why didn't he convene it now? I'm
[00:45:58] telling you, because he thought he was duly elected, and he also
[00:46:02] believed another thing, well, if he thought he was duly elected, why would he convene it in another year
[00:46:06] or two? Wait, wait, so here, I'll give you an answer, because no, you need to.
[00:46:10] The Knesset has schedules. What the Supreme Court says,
[00:46:13] the verdict is before you. I remember, I'm driving, but I
[00:46:16] still remember. Look at section 18. The High Court says
[00:46:19] there that the claim that these elections can be held
[00:46:23] in the new Knesset with the same two
[00:46:25] candidates is difficult, and he leaves it to the new
[00:46:29] Knesset. The court says, the law doesn't deal
[00:46:32] with it. He calls it a precedent-setting and exceptional
[00:46:36] situation. No one thought of such a reality.
[00:46:40] So I'll ask another question. Tell me, in the end, he's a politician.
[00:46:43] Politicians want to win votes.
[00:46:47] Today he has a Knesset that, or the outgoing
[00:46:50] Knesset, is a Knesset that is convenient for him to make
[00:46:54] a decision with whomever he wants. The next Knesset will be
[00:46:57] certainly less convenient. It takes office in another week.
[00:47:01] Politically, he's not doing a favor. Good question. You really ask a good
[00:47:05] question. And what's the answer? Invite
[00:47:07] the camp to you. No, I'll give you a possible answer. Tell me if
[00:47:11] it's correct.
[00:47:14] Was the struggle with the High Court more important to him here
[00:47:17] than winning the election of whomever he thinks will be the State Comptroller? We
[00:47:21] not only, not only, no. Not only. Look, look, remember one
[00:47:24] thing. I'm not now, I'm not speaking through his
[00:47:28] mouth. I'm not talking now. You asked me
[00:47:31] as an outside commentator who doesn't know Amir Ohana.
[00:47:34] The considerations whether
[00:47:38] to take a stand against the High Court and say,
[00:47:42] I am the Knesset or the legislative authority is not subject in every
[00:47:46] matter to the High Court. This is one specific position
[00:47:49] that it's entirely possible that this is what stood behind it. The
[00:47:53] second thing, whether to hold the elections according to
[00:47:56] his authority in the outgoing 25th Knesset or in the next
[00:47:59] Knesset is a question you don't know the answer to because
[00:48:02] suppose they go to additional
[00:48:05] elections. So try to think, are you sure that Rabello would not have
[00:48:08] been elected? Do you have confidence
[00:48:12] in the vote?
[00:48:14] No, so I'm saying you're saying he had a convenient Knesset. Who
[00:48:18] said? Who said? Who
[00:48:21] said? In the first round? Remember, there were two rounds. In the first round, no one reached 61,
[00:48:25] and then by law, another election had to be held, another
[00:48:28] round. In the additional round with votes, yes,
[00:48:32] with the ballots, with the pictures of five or six, I don't remember
[00:48:35] how many, ah, 61 voted
[00:48:38] for another 60, yes, something like that, yes, 61 to
[00:48:41] 59, 57. Just, just to Zion's question, just to the question
[00:48:45] of whether it's important or not important, I just want to quote
[00:48:48] the High Court's ruling on this
[00:48:52] matter. It states:
[00:49:23] We don't need a tender to elect
[00:49:27] an additional Comptroller of State Service.
[00:49:30] And the court comes and, contrary to what is stated in the law, explicitly
[00:49:33] uh requires the continuation of this. What's
[00:49:36] the problem? This is against the law. So what are we saying?
[00:49:40] That sometimes it's good because that's the interpretation, because the judge wrote
[00:49:43] it. The second time, when the legislative or executive authority makes
[00:49:47] a decision that seems wrong or dismisses a person
[00:49:50] , suddenly it changes completely. 30 people
[00:49:54] in the government, so you understand, this tectonic clash
[00:49:58] between the authorities, these are not just empty
[00:50:01] words. Someone needs to understand that there's
[00:50:05] something here. By the way, I'll ask you another question. I'll ask you a question.
[00:50:09] Why, why was the decision given only last night?
[00:50:12] I received it, I don't know, 8-9 in the evening from the Supreme Court.
[00:50:16] What was the process yesterday?
[00:50:19] You'll agree with me yesterday, three.
[00:50:24] Why was it given after the elections? Why was this decision
[00:50:28] and the petition filed with the High Court about two
[00:50:31] months ago, why wasn't the decision given?
[00:50:35] Give a quick answer because our time is almost up. I don't know.
[00:50:39] Maybe someone thought it would be better to wait after the elections. Maybe a Knesset
[00:50:42] will come that will cancel
[00:50:45] Rabello's election and present new candidates. But
[00:50:49] the opposite, but the opposite. We started the conversation with the court's
[00:50:59] ruling until the end. It transfers it to the new Knesset, and in the new
[00:51:03] Knesset, someone thinks that there might be a majority, a majority of
[00:51:06] what? The new 67?
[00:51:09] Yes, but you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm respecting the court.
[00:51:13] You're not telling me that clearly. The decision, if you weren't
[00:51:17] respectful, how would you say it?
[00:51:20] I would say that it's not certain that only...
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[00:51:51] happened.
[00:52:49] in a completely insane situation. There wasn't a day when
[00:52:53] you weren't being shot at. Everyone from the age of 16 received a weapon.
[00:52:56] Beatings, casualties.
[00:53:00] What are you willing to do to not give up on friendship? I'm even willing
[00:53:04] to die.
[00:53:06] That's how I lived, that only if there's war, there's
[00:53:08] meaning.
[00:53:11] I lost my childhood at this
[00:53:13] age.
[00:53:16] Our children are growing up in a national mission. The greatest mission of
[00:53:19] a person in this world is for their children to be happy. Would
[00:53:23] you raise your
[00:54:11] I don't understand what I'm seeing, a lack of understanding of what's really happening. This is truly a distortion of
[00:54:15] the perception. This truth must
[00:54:18] come out.
[00:54:24] One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire at our
[00:54:27] stomachs.
[00:54:31] They are the head, they are the culprits. There are many culprits in October 7th, I don't.
[00:54:39] I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
[00:54:41] stories.
[00:54:48] I very much hope that the Israeli public will believe
[00:54:51] the truth and not follow
[00:55:13] Hello everyone, good morning, it's nine o'clock now. We have a news update.
[00:55:17] A defeat for the Republican Party in the midterm elections
[00:55:21] in the United States. The Democrats gained control of both houses of
[00:55:24] Congress. Nathan Gutman, our correspondent in Washington, we will go
[00:55:27] with the results until the meaning of them is determined. Yonatan, this
[00:55:31] is not just a blue wave, it's a blue tsunami. The Democrats
[00:55:35] conquered the majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The vote count is still
[00:55:39] ongoing, and the gap may still widen in the coming hours. What's most interesting
[00:55:42] are the states where Democratic candidates won, states
[00:55:46] that were considered Republican strongholds, including
[00:55:49] South Carolina, Iowa, and especially Texas. In this
[00:55:52] southern state, which is more identified with the Republicans than any other,
[00:55:56] a Democratic candidate won in the Senate race. A Democratic candidate,