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[00:00:00] In a little while, all the political updates will be called the mandate to form
[00:00:03] the government. It is estimated that President Herzog, who will continue today
[00:00:07] the round of consultations, will assign the task to Gadi Eizenkot.
[00:00:10] But what kind of government will the chairman of Yesh Atid form, if at all, the answer to this question
[00:00:14] is still unknown. We will also hear about the investigation of suspicions of violations of
[00:00:18] the election law, the head of the Shin Bet and the Attorney General
[00:00:21] for the government, after a public dispute, met,
[00:00:25] and immediately we will also be in the United States which is still digesting the crushing
[00:00:29] victory of the Democrats
[00:00:44] yesterday when the representatives of the factions arrived one after the other to
[00:00:48] recommend their candidate for receiving the mandate to form
[00:00:51] the government. Our reporter Dikla Aaron reports on the expected
[00:00:55] schedule and on the words of President Herzog, that he intends
[00:00:59] to ask the representatives pointed questions
[00:01:02] in an attempt to prevent
[00:01:09] were already asked yesterday, one can say, and today at the President's
[00:01:12] residence, the consultations with the representatives of the elected
[00:01:15] Knesset factions resume, ahead of the decision on whom to entrust the task
[00:01:19] of forming the government. Yesterday, Herzog began meetings with representatives
[00:01:23] of four parties, while the representatives of Religious Zionism,
[00:01:26] Shas, and Zehut recommended Netanyahu, the representatives of
[00:01:30] Yisrael Beiteinu recommended, as expected, Eizenkot as a candidate for receiving
[00:01:33] the mandate to form a government. Ran, one of the representatives
[00:01:37] of Yisrael Beiteinu at the President's Residence, MK Oded Forer, said yesterday that everything must be done
[00:01:40] during the negotiation period to establish
[00:01:44] a government, but at the same time, Forer criticized
[00:01:48] the possibility of forming a government with the Arab parties. Let's
[00:01:51] hear. We think that the State of Israel
[00:01:55] should not be dragged into further elections in any way. If
[00:01:59] someone thinks that a government can be formed
[00:02:03] that will be dependent on the votes
[00:02:06] of a list whose head is unable to say that Hamas is
[00:02:10] a terrorist organization, or on the votes of a list some of whose members think
[00:02:14] that Hamas is a terrorist
[00:02:16] organization.
[00:02:19] Yes, and this morning, the representatives of the United Torah Judaism faction are expected to come to the President,
[00:02:23] followed by the representatives of Otzma Yehudit, the Democrats,
[00:02:26] Ra'am, the Joint List, and Yesh Atid, and at the end of
[00:02:30] the day, Ran, the members of the Likud faction, the largest faction according to the election
[00:02:33] results, in light of the assessment that the representatives of the Arab parties
[00:02:37] will recommend Eizenkot to the President, we know this at least
[00:02:40] regarding Ra'am. We will wait to see what happens with the Joint List. The Prime Minister said
[00:02:43] yesterday that it is impossible to form a government that cannot
[00:02:46] challenge extremist Islam. His first concern since
[00:02:49] the elections is extremist Islam. This is the challenge
[00:02:52] that is today dismantling countries in Europe. This is the challenge that also threatens
[00:02:56] us, and I ask a simple question: Who can deal with
[00:03:00] this challenge? A government that cannot certainly deal with the threat of extremist
[00:03:03] Islam is a government that is dependent
[00:03:06] on extremist Islam, on these Islamist
[00:03:10] parties that deny the very existence of a Jewish
[00:03:13] state. But there is a government that can
[00:03:16] deal with this challenge, a broad national government led
[00:03:20] by the Likud, under my leadership, that will include all the components of the national bloc
[00:03:24] and all the Zionist parties that wish to join. He says a broad government, but he doesn't say the word
[00:03:28] unity, because this is actually Dikla. The government is similar to the current
[00:03:32] government, and whoever wants to join
[00:03:33] should join.
[00:03:36] Yes, and you see, we heard Netanyahu during the elections talking about the desire to form
[00:03:40] a broad national government, but he also says a broad national right-wing
[00:03:43] government. We need to interpret that and understand exactly what
[00:03:46] is meant. In Yesh Atid, Eizenkot's party, they said yesterday that they
[00:03:49] intend to work to form a national emergency government
[00:03:52] as soon as possible, Ran. At the end of the round of consultations
[00:03:56] today, President Herzog is expected to announce who
[00:03:59] is the candidate who will be the first to receive the mandate to form the government. This will probably
[00:04:02] not be today. Herzog has time according to the law of up to a week from the start
[00:04:06] of the consultations to announce this. The consideration that should guide
[00:04:10] the President is which candidate has the greatest chance of forming
[00:04:13] a government. And as mentioned, the assessment right now, even before the President
[00:04:17] has decided, is that the task of forming the government will be entrusted to
[00:04:20] the chairman of the Yesh Atid party, Gadi Eizenkot. Dikla Aaron,
[00:04:23] thank you. Thank you, Ran. Now to the investigation of suspicion
[00:04:27] of foreign interference in the elections and in this context, the head of the Shin Bet
[00:04:31] following the change in his positions and his statements about what
[00:04:34] happened on election day. He said explicit things before,
[00:04:38] now things are a little different. The Attorney General
[00:04:41] Gali Beharav-Miara and the head of the Shin Bet Gazini met yesterday
[00:04:45] for a conversation. Our legal commentator, Orit Almog,
[00:04:48] who was the first to expose the meeting, also reports on the criticism
[00:04:52] heard about the conduct of the affair. After the criticism
[00:04:55] and accusations, the Attorney General and the head
[00:04:58] of the Shin Bet are talking. As we published in Kan News,
[00:05:02] this conversation is taking place in order to continue good working
[00:05:05] relations, and what is called "looking to the future", but
[00:05:09] in the background, as mentioned, the criticism, including the harsh letter
[00:05:12] sent by the Attorney General the day before yesterday, which essentially
[00:05:16] conveys a message that the head of the Shin Bet is trying to open investigations
[00:05:19] against citizens and public officials without having
[00:05:22] authorization. And in the same matter, the Shin Bet presented yesterday
[00:05:26] an opinion that the chairman of the Election Committee presents a paraphrase
[00:05:30] of, but even in the Election Committee, in the legal advice, and
[00:05:33] in the police, they do not know this opinion and what it
[00:05:37] is based on. Until this moment, no evidence has been presented
[00:05:41] that substantiates that opinion, according to which the suspicions
[00:05:45] are about widespread influence that even reaches
[00:05:48] and is relevant to thousands of people. As mentioned, even the investigation
[00:05:51] team that was established for the matter does not know
[00:05:54] these things. Moreover, investigation sources tell us that this investigation
[00:05:58] is actually tainted even before it began. Immediately we will be with MK
[00:06:01] Boaz Bismuth from the Likud on this matter, but first
[00:06:05] to the United States, where the Democrats are celebrating their winning streak
[00:06:08] in the midterm elections, and they are preparing for control of Congress.
[00:06:12] On the Republican side, they are looking for culprits and pointing to the war
[00:06:16] in Iran and also to support for Israel as reasons that caused
[00:06:19] their voters to turn their backs on them. Our correspondent Nathan
[00:06:23] Guttman reports from Washington that even now, the counting in certain
[00:06:26] districts is still ongoing, and the final picture is unclear, but one thing
[00:06:30] is crystal clear: the Democrats won big in both houses
[00:06:33] of Congress.
[00:06:37] Today, the big comeback of America begins, says
[00:06:41] the Democratic Congressman.
[00:06:58] The Democrats are emerging from the elections energized and combative. Even they
[00:07:02] did not imagine such achievements, and they will use their majority to
[00:07:05] block White House initiatives and appointments, to investigate the president
[00:07:08] and senior officials of his administration, and also to try to advance their own initiatives.
[00:07:12] On the Republican side, it's a moment of soul-searching. After
[00:07:15] losing even in their traditional strongholds, from Texas to
[00:07:19] South Carolina, the search for culprits begins.
[00:07:22] The elections were largely seen as a vote of no confidence in President
[00:07:25] Trump. The president, however, believes that the culprits for the loss are the Republican
[00:07:29] candidates, not him.
[00:07:32] "If I had been running for election, everyone would have won," Trump said.
[00:07:35] Vice President J.D. Vance, in an unusual post he published
[00:07:39] on social media, pointed to the reasons that led, in his opinion,
[00:07:43] to his party's defeat: first and foremost, the war
[00:07:46] in Iran, and alongside it, the cost of living, the lack of focus on an "America
[00:07:49] First" agenda, and also the relationship with Israel.
[00:07:53] The Vice President, known for his critical stance towards Israel and towards
[00:07:56] the war, essentially argues that aid to Israel and the start of the war in Iran
[00:08:00] cost the Republicans their majority in Congress. Trump agrees
[00:08:03] that the war has cost
[00:08:05] voters.
[00:08:42] will point to the president's dissatisfaction with the way
[00:08:46] the war is being conducted. Trump has denied reports that he intends to dismiss
[00:08:49] War Secretary Pete Hegseth, but according to other reports, he may remove
[00:08:53] the army commanders from their positions. "When will
[00:08:56] the war end?" Trump asked yesterday, who had promised to end it quickly
[00:08:59] after the elections. He replied, "When I decide." Nathan
[00:09:03] Guttman, Washington. Like many things. And joining us now is MK
[00:09:06] Boaz Bismuth from the Likud, Chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
[00:09:10] Hello, good morning. Hello, hello. We'll talk about the United States in a moment, but let's
[00:09:14] start with the investigation into suspected foreign interference in the elections. The chairman
[00:09:18] of the Election Committee, Justice Noam Solberg, said yesterday
[00:09:21] and said earlier this week in a joint statement with the head
[00:09:24] of the Shin Bet, that even if all the suspicions were confirmed,
[00:09:28] the extent of the offenses is not such that it changes the election results.
[00:09:31] Do you, Boaz Bismuth, have information that contradicts these things? First, promise
[00:09:35] me that not only about the United States, but also about the conscription law, you will give me half a minute. Promise me,
[00:09:39] because until recently, until the elections, all the aid I received.
[00:10:10] You agree with me, also in the change bloc.
[00:10:12] One of the representatives, not ours, spoke about it, spoke about the Palestinian Authority, I'm not saying
[00:10:16] this, the Likud is not saying this, Liberman said it, so there's no more
[00:10:19] disagreement here, there's a problem here, and there's a problem, a problem that's being investigated, they're investigating
[00:10:23] it, no one says they're not investigating. Very good, very good. So there's a problem and no one invented it, therefore
[00:10:27] when I see, for example, an interviewee in the previous hour talking about
[00:10:30] the head, also the terminology, again, it's important, the head of the Shin Bet needs to
[00:10:34] be fired immediately, what a word, what elegance, but never mind, he doesn't need
[00:10:38] to investigate, that's the whole story.
[00:10:41] Very good. And therefore, and therefore I say, there is a very
[00:10:45] serious story here. I would expect the opposite, I would expect from all the media, I would expect
[00:10:49] from my friends, even the opposition, come with me and say that we want
[00:10:52] to investigate this issue.
[00:11:19] Likud is the largest party in the country, by the way,
[00:11:23] also here, shock, right? I, who always used to say that I am nourished
[00:11:27] by the street and not by the different channels, so I am not in shock as
[00:11:31] when I returned from Kiryat Shmona, and I am not in shock, but let's leave that for now. You asked about
[00:11:35] Zini, Zini, excuse me for saying this, but the Attorney General, with
[00:11:39] her harsh letter, she could have done it differently, approached
[00:11:42] it differently. They could have also talked
[00:11:45] to each other before she did that, that hunger show
[00:11:49] in which she essentially says in that letter, "I'm tying his hands, he won't
[00:11:53] investigate this story, because the story."
[00:11:58] that she is supervising the investigation, that she is making decisions? What does
[00:12:02] it mean that she is supervising? Do you think it is acceptable in a democratic country for the head of the Shin Bet
[00:12:05] to investigate elected officials without reasonable suspicion? No, so first of all,
[00:12:09] look, first of all, look, hypocrisy is rampant, and indeed in the State
[00:12:13] of Israel, since 2019, even long before, long before,
[00:12:16] everything is from a position and the truth is an option, everything is from a position and the truth is
[00:12:20] an option. Why am I saying this? Because we have a Prime Minister in Israel, and you
[00:12:24] see this story about Zini opening, of course, the news because it's important, it's very serious.
[00:12:27] Now you're really asking me about this, and you're telling me here that they always try to belittle
[00:12:31] and humble our Prime Minister who is standing trial, but I'm asking you about Zini, let's not
[00:12:34] digress, tell me, is it appropriate in your opinion and acceptable in a democratic country
[00:12:38] for the head of the Shin Bet to investigate elected officials without reasonable suspicion, without evidence?
[00:12:42] One, if you have, you know, we have immunity, do you agree? Is
[00:12:46] our immunity for everything? I ask you.
[00:12:49] There is no reasonable suspicion, you say there is no evidence, the Attorney General
[00:12:53] says, you say that
[00:13:43] the Likud is interested in a unity government because Netanyahu says
[00:13:46] a broad national right-wing government. It doesn't sound
[00:13:49] like he's endorsing every word. That is, the Prime Minister, what he said, he expressed what his
[00:13:53] voters say. You know, you also express the will of the voter, and also the people of Israel, the people
[00:13:57] of Israel today do not want us to fight, the people of Israel want us to work together, you know,
[00:14:01] but a government, a unity government, that's equality, that's rotation, that's
[00:14:04] not that this government will continue if the one who leads
[00:14:07] it and Gadi Eizenkot joined, why would he
[00:14:10] join? Look, we'll also get to the United States, and I'll get to the government that the
[00:14:13] Prime Minister is proposing, truly a broad right-wing government, with him at
[00:14:17] its head, and with our hand extended, and again I remind
[00:14:20] you for the umpteenth time, to whom is it extended? To every Zionist party
[00:14:23] that wishes to join us.
[00:14:44] If you want to make an account and also include in your calculation those who see
[00:14:48] Hamas as a charity organization, you said, not I, they said it, so
[00:14:52] that's your problem, not my problem, sorry.
[00:14:58] What I'm saying, because I'll explain this to you too, we, the Arab citizens here,
[00:15:02] are here to serve them. I, let me explain, as a Likud Knesset member, I'm here to serve
[00:15:05] the Arab population, but an Arab
[00:15:08] Knesset member, yes, who wants to see IDF soldiers put on
[00:15:11] trial in The Hague, who sees Hamas as a charity organization, forgive me, he is not
[00:15:15] my partner, he is a terror supporter, but he is a Knesset member, but he is not your
[00:15:19] partner in this, but he is a Knesset member, so I can answer you about that, look at the amazing thing, look at the hypocrisy, not
[00:15:23] yours, God forbid, look at the hypocrisy.
[00:15:32] What nonsense? They don't see that he voted for him, they boycott him, but an Arab
[00:15:35] voter who considers Hamas a terror organization. Him, it's forbidden to boycott, pay attention, this
[00:15:39] doesn't make sense. So the listeners hear this idea now and understand
[00:15:43] that we've entered a mess here, all this to unseat a prime minister
[00:15:46] in Israel, and this brings me to, well, they're not unseating, they're replacing a prime minister, that's how it
[00:15:50] is in a democracy, let's talk about the conscription law, United Torah Judaism,
[00:15:52] wait, wait, wait, but when the public votes
[00:15:55] for him, loves him, wants him, believes
[00:15:58] in him, a government, form a government, if the public loves him so much, then
[00:16:01] come on, what can you do, 27 seats, that means something, so you
[00:16:05] can form a government. United Torah
[00:16:13] Judaism, which is part of your
[00:16:16] bloc, does not recommend you, they are angry with you, you promised, you, Boaz
[00:16:20] Bismuth, worked on a law, they want a law that will guarantee an exemption for Torah
[00:16:23] students, and you didn't succeed, yes, Ran, continue, conscription law, continue, let's discuss
[00:16:27] the conscription law. Look, it's important that you mentioned
[00:16:30] United Torah Judaism now, and that immediately reminds me of Yaakov Asher, my friend, Yaakov
[00:16:34] Asher, who was with me in the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee when we
[00:16:37] worked on the conscription law from Shas, Yaakov Asher, almost
[00:16:41] all the meetings, they heard the terminology, they heard the insults, the
[00:16:44] harsh words directed at them, that if I had been a correspondent in Paris, as I was
[00:16:48] for many years, I would have sent an article to the newspaper,
[00:16:51] "Antisemitism in order to pass
[00:16:54] the law to them." They heard many things, you who were there did not
[00:16:57] succeed in passing it to them, but why? But why? Because today,
[00:17:01] in the previous hour, you interviewed Zehava Gal-On, and you yourself, I assume, smiled at
[00:17:05] the microphone when you heard the answers, you are not evolving.
[00:17:38] Senior figures in the Israeli left, one talks about civilian national service for all, while
[00:17:41] for me, 10% national military security service,
[00:17:45] only 10%, they even told me no, wait a minute, while here you
[00:17:48] hear that we need to reach an arrangement, an arrangement before the elections,
[00:17:51] 100%, everyone, now pay attention to the hypocrisy in this story, and therefore,
[00:17:55] why, regarding your question, yes, Yaakov Asher was with me
[00:17:59] there in the committee, he heard the words that were thrown at him, I think he also has
[00:18:02] a public, and your political commentator said it beautifully,
[00:18:06] his public is with us,
[00:18:08] yes, the Jewish character of the State of Israel matters.
[00:18:12] How are they with you? They don't recommend Netanyahu? Tell me, if
[00:18:16] you manage to form a government, will you manage to pass a
[00:18:19] law for them this time? This law is important, this law combines two
[00:18:22] supreme values, the House of Israel, one is the Torah that brought me here, the other
[00:18:26] is its army, will you pass this law, which you didn't manage to now,
[00:18:29] will you pass it if you form a government? Listen, I see now
[00:18:33] that on the contrary, I see now that my law, yes, you should support
[00:18:37] the fact that I will pass it because my law is much more authentic, much more serious,
[00:18:41] much tougher even than the soft law
[00:18:44] that the opposition presents, but it's not just the law itself, it's the whole character
[00:18:48] of the State of Israel, and believe me that I don't see my ultra-Orthodox friends, yes, who I
[00:18:52] also know all their voters, because in the last year, I spent a lot of time in yeshivas,
[00:18:55] yes, I don't see them going
[00:18:58] with the left in Israel, with those who were dragged
[00:19:02] into undesirable places, I'll just say one thing, Ran, just one thing, two things,
[00:19:05] one. Say,
[00:19:14] you promised that good relations with Trump
[00:19:17] and with the Republican Party would improve Israel's
[00:19:20] standing and its image in the United
[00:19:23] States, and yet the opposite happened, right? You could have also
[00:19:27] asked Ehud Barak in 2011, he promised a diplomatic
[00:19:30] tsunami and we went to war against Iran together with the United States.
[00:19:33] Look, yours, clearly, you live in a changing world today. I am older
[00:19:37] than you. The world when I was a child, the world I believed in is not the same world
[00:19:40] today. You know, I always say, if there is one book I give my children to read, it's Stefan Zweig's
[00:19:44] "The World of Yesterday." This is what I experienced in this new world
[00:19:48] in the West. What can you do? And there are these circles, he knows
[00:19:51] the price of his fuel, that's what he looks at. I here look at the price of human
[00:19:54] life. That's the whole difference. I don't have that luxury. Why am I saying all this?
[00:19:58] Because Trump is trying, and tonight he reiterates that the war against Iran, yes,
[00:20:02] he did not go back on his word and did not belittle its importance. I will tell you
[00:20:05] directly, and it's in the contract. Japan
[00:20:10] is leaving us, a friendly country, a friend, and he told me, you
[00:20:14] know, all the problems that Japan has, the country.
[00:20:17] How did we get to Japan? Please answer the question, how did you bring us
[00:20:21] to a situation where the United States, where Congress is one of the most nationalistic
[00:20:25] it has been in perhaps decades? How did we get to this situation? How did you bring us
[00:20:29] to this situation? In 1994, there was no war against North Korea, there was an agreement. Today, nuclear North
[00:20:33] Korea, they don't have much to do. Therefore, I say, the war against Iran, not only
[00:20:36] will every citizen in the State of Israel explain to you how important
[00:20:40] this war is, now let that be clear, now in this changing
[00:20:44] world, as I told you, indeed, again, I say, the price of fuel, and he said it
[00:20:47] himself, the price of fuel seemed to have an effect. A war with Iran has an effect
[00:20:51] on the price of fuel, but with all due respect, it is the job of a leader, and therefore I have
[00:20:54] immense respect for our Prime Minister, of course, on the question,
[00:20:58] Boaz, we will stop here, Boaz, in the Foreign Affairs
[00:21:02] and Defense Committee of the Knesset, one word, but with you, one word is sometimes
[00:21:05] a bit more. Boaz, don't get excited, what you're saying, Ran, thank you, have a good day,
[00:21:09] and your public, the listeners, want them working, want to see us working
[00:21:13] together and not fighting. Enough with the boycotts, and here I turn
[00:21:16] to the left, come to a broad national government, our hand
[00:21:20] is extended as ministers, not as Prime Minister, God forbid, our hand
[00:21:24] is extended. Boaz Bismuth, thank you very much.
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[00:24:16] Ayman Odeh, who announced yesterday that he is the one
[00:24:20] at the center of a Shin Bet investigation following suspicion of hundreds of thousands
[00:24:23] of shekels he allegedly received in foreign funding for the elections, dismisses
[00:24:27] the suspicions and says that this is a political investigation. Hello
[00:24:30] to our reporter Roy Yanovsky, hello Roy. Hello,
[00:24:34] good morning, Ran, and what is this Shin Bet
[00:24:38] investigation regarding suspicion of foreign funding? It's the same information you just
[00:24:41] mentioned, it's information received two weeks ago regarding
[00:24:45] Odeh, allegedly hundreds of thousands of shekels, allegedly for use
[00:24:48] in elections, and allegedly this is money from foreign funding. If you
[00:24:52] remember, at first Qatar was mentioned, today we suspect the Palestinian
[00:24:55] Authority, when we mention
[00:24:58] that Odeh did not run, in two weeks he will no longer be a Knesset
[00:25:01] member, as you said yesterday, he says this is political persecution.
[00:25:05] Now, close associates with whom I spoke, hear about all the suspicions
[00:25:08] from the media, they don't quite understand what this is about
[00:25:12] and where these conclusions came from, at least according to the information in the Shin Bet, and what
[00:25:16] they say is that if it is indeed about these matters, according to the information
[00:25:20] published, that in these days Odeh is raising funds
[00:25:23] from private donors for an association he is establishing, an association
[00:25:27] called "Trust", this association is already registered, you can see it
[00:25:31] in the records of the Registrar of Associations, there are well-known Jewish
[00:25:34] and Arab activists who are on the board of directors of this
[00:25:37] association, this association, at least according to its stated purpose and also according to people
[00:25:41] I spoke with who are part of the board of directors, its purpose
[00:25:44] is to promote coexistence, a political
[00:25:47] solution, joint activity
[00:25:50] for Jews and Arabs, not partisan activity
[00:25:54] at all, and also not activity for elections,
[00:25:57] according to the version of those close to him, he does not
[00:26:00] receive money for elections, nor for partisan activity.
[00:26:04] The donations he receives are for that association from private
[00:26:08] donors who are also not connected to the Palestinian Authority, at least
[00:26:11] according to the version of close sources. How much trust do
[00:26:14] the investigators have in this version? What, what
[00:26:18] How much trust? Okay, so I'll tell you, I'll tell you the
[00:26:21] bottom line in this context. We are conducting
[00:26:25] an investigation here in the opposite way,
[00:26:28] usually these things, this
[00:26:31] covert information, which is not
[00:26:35] public, they accuse a suspect or certain suspects,
[00:26:37] and here everything is mixed up, and therefore,
[00:26:41] I'm not even sure that even, just as Odeh
[00:26:45] received the information about him from the media, so too, it is possible
[00:26:48] that the investigators are receiving the versions of various close associates
[00:26:52] from the media. I would like to remind you that according to a report on i24,
[00:26:56] in a conversation between the head of the Shin Bet and the Attorney General, what was called a screaming
[00:26:59] match, he told her:
[00:27:04] "Let me investigate and then I'll find the reasonable suspicion, let me investigate an elected
[00:27:07] official and then a reasonable suspicion will be found," so according to the report,
[00:27:11] yes, absolutely so, according to that
[00:27:15] report, and what, and this really refers to the three other Knesset members
[00:27:18] about whom, unlike Odeh, there is not even
[00:27:21] certain information about money or about such
[00:27:25] or other involvement. There will be an investigation and then
[00:27:29] first of all, the head of the Shin Bet has long been an elected official in a democratic country,
[00:27:32] because of issues of donors, maybe the identity of the donors, but as we see right now,
[00:27:42] Haifa because of money,
[00:27:46] there is a distance between the headline
[00:27:49] "foreign funding, elections, bribery, elections" and
[00:27:52] places and money for associations, which could
[00:27:56] have certain aspects to it.
[00:27:59] If this is indeed the story, and we will have to wait for the details to become clear. But what
[00:28:02] is certain is that the details will become clear. Many entities will have to provide
[00:28:06] us with answers, including, by the way, those you mentioned
[00:28:08] earlier, who also shouted at that
[00:28:12] meeting. He appeared before the elections in front of the cameras
[00:28:15] and microphones and said that everything was fine and everything was calm,
[00:28:18] inspiring, he said. So it's worth hearing what
[00:28:27] deputy and acting mayor of Tira on behalf of Hadash, hello
[00:28:31] to you. Hello, hello to you, to all
[00:28:34] the listeners, I understand you are also close to Ayman, did you speak
[00:28:37] with him?
[00:28:40] I am in a good and shared conversation, of course,
[00:28:44] also recently we spoke,
[00:28:46] it is clear that what
[00:28:50] you reported speaks
[00:28:53] for itself, the matters speak for themselves,
[00:28:56] so there is no basis, as he claims,
[00:29:00] also to my ears, there is no basis. For
[00:29:03] the suspicions that are allegedly also attributed
[00:29:06] to him. Did you know this association, the Trust
[00:29:09] association? I, that's exactly what I'm
[00:29:12] saying, recently,
[00:29:15] when he decided before the elections that he would not run again,
[00:29:18] all his efforts
[00:29:21] were put into establishing this project, which he considers
[00:29:24] his next life project, which is to establish
[00:29:28] להקים
[00:29:30] an association where, ah, he
[00:29:34] organizes an Arab-Jewish movement to strengthen
[00:29:37] Arab-Jewish partnership to influence
[00:29:40] the Israeli political
[00:29:43] and social landscape. And where does the
[00:29:46] money come from? Indeed, I cannot point to
[00:29:50] sources, I am not a partner in
[00:29:53] there is a board of directors
[00:29:56] there that is a board of directors of many
[00:30:00] Arabs and Jews
[00:30:03] with known addresses in Israeli
[00:30:06] society, but he will have no problem, he will want and he
[00:30:09] will be willing to expose everything, all the account books, all the
[00:30:13] material related to this association, bank accounts, where
[00:30:16] the money came from, everything will be exposed
[00:30:18] and transparent.
[00:30:20] The association that is registered, here you see how much we have started
[00:30:24] talking now, as if
[00:30:26] it's nonsense. We put, we put
[00:30:30] the cart.
[00:30:33] Before the horse, there are always suspicions and then they start investigating
[00:30:37] them. This is an association that is registered
[00:30:40] in the register of associations with all
[00:30:42] the funding
[00:30:44] sources.
[00:30:46] This is a trivial matter like any other association
[00:30:50] that has a reporting obligation
[00:30:53] and everything is transparent and you can click a button
[00:30:56] to enter the association register and look exactly. So it's excellent if
[00:31:00] everything is transparent, then it's blessed. What do you think about the things
[00:31:03] of the general conduct of the head of the Shin Bet, Zini?
[00:31:07] As an Arab citizen, as an elected politician,
[00:31:11] you are, as mentioned, the acting mayor of Tira, deputy acting mayor.
[00:31:15] This is exactly what should worry the Israeli Arab citizen and also the Jewish
[00:31:18] citizen, that institutions like before, from the perspective of
[00:31:22] the Jews, the Shin Bet was
[00:31:24] a sacred
[00:31:27] institution engaged in holy
[00:31:31] work for them. When
[00:31:34] politics infiltrates such an institution,
[00:31:38] when we see that there is some
[00:31:42] intervention to
[00:31:45] justify a certain version of someone who loses
[00:31:49] in the elections, he started the campaign
[00:31:53] to delegitimize the Arab vote because of what
[00:31:56] happened, that Arab citizens exercised their
[00:32:00] citizenship and went
[00:32:03] to swear on the election results, well.
[00:32:06] And now the question is what they will do with all this political power. Let's listen
[00:32:10] together to a report by our Knesset correspondent Yaara
[00:32:14] Shapira. Exactly. On this, on the demands of the Joint List
[00:32:18] in the next government, and we will ask for
[00:32:21] your comments, here. The Joint List will publish a final
[00:32:24] decision regarding the recommendation only close to the arrival of its representatives at the
[00:32:27] President's Residence, but is expected to recommend Gadi Eisenkot
[00:32:31] to receive the mandate and to do so for free without prior
[00:32:34] demands, among other things, given the fact that Eisenkot already has
[00:32:37] a higher number of recommenders than Netanyahu, after Ra'am's
[00:32:40] decision yesterday to recommend him.
[00:32:44] In contrast, the Joint List is preparing a list of demands
[00:32:47] in exchange for support for parliamentary moves in the Knesset.
[00:32:51] Yesterday, a consultation was held with the Committee of Heads of Arab Authorities
[00:32:55] and several emerging demands arose. The first
[00:32:58] of them is the chairmanship of one of the central committees
[00:33:02] in the Knesset, Finance, Law, or Education
[00:33:05] for a representative of the Joint List. In addition, there was talk of establishing
[00:33:09] a committee for the advancement of Arab society and heading
[00:33:12] it on behalf of the Joint List. On three
[00:33:15] representatives in the Finance Committee, on promoting a five-year plan for Arab
[00:33:19] society, including a plan to eradicate violence in the Arab sector,
[00:33:23] and also on legislating a temporary order to freeze the demolition
[00:33:26] of buildings. Of course, the most significant demand among all
[00:33:29] these is control over one of the largest committees
[00:33:33] in the Knesset, and one of the party officials tells us,
[00:33:37] we will not settle again for Science and Technology or the chairmanship
[00:33:40] of the Committee for the Advancement of Women's Status. The Haredim, with
[00:33:43] fewer mandates, received the Finance and Interior committees from Netanyahu's
[00:33:47] government. We will want similar treatment. Similar treatment,
[00:33:51] as mentioned, chairmanships of committees, Constitution,
[00:33:54] Education,
[00:33:57] Finance. So, Attorney S. Iraqi, do you confirm this
[00:34:01] list of demands?
[00:34:03] I cannot confirm specifically, I know
[00:34:06] that there is advanced
[00:34:09] negotiation, and there are demands, and there are documents
[00:34:13] prepared.
[00:34:15] We must not see the parliamentary power
[00:34:18] that
[00:34:21] the last elections brought as something trivial or obvious.
[00:34:24] What do you mean by advanced negotiations with whom? I know
[00:34:28] that there are open channels between some
[00:34:31] of the heads of the bloc that was called the Change Bloc
[00:34:35] and
[00:34:37] the Joint List. At least at this stage, they are talking
[00:34:41] about actions to utilize the
[00:34:45] parliamentary power created as a result of the elections, to make
[00:34:48] changes such as replacing the Speaker
[00:34:51] of the Knesset, these changes, but such changes will not come
[00:34:55] for free, you say. I say, this is not a matter
[00:34:59] of bargaining, we are, by nature,
[00:35:03] citizens, again, I repeat, and it is good that the listener in Israeli
[00:35:06] society understands, there is a society here
[00:35:09] that they always said why it does not
[00:35:12] show a desire to integrate.
[00:35:15] Into and to realize the civilian
[00:35:18] component of its identity, and people came
[00:35:22] and said, we want to swear on the Israeli
[00:35:25] political field, but to swear in cooperation in the Knesset in these
[00:35:29] moves, wait, or also in the government or also abstention
[00:35:32] in the swearing-in of a government, which will help Gadi Eisenkot, for example, to form a government, which
[00:35:35] I am sure there is a decision, a goal,
[00:35:39] and that during the election
[00:35:42] campaign they talked about that. Uh, the supreme
[00:35:46] goal is to be a barrier against
[00:35:49] Netanyahu's return and Ben Gvir's
[00:35:52] Smotrich government returning to the helm of
[00:35:56] the state. So if it also requires external support
[00:36:00] for Eisenkot's change government, it
[00:36:03] will be in order to block the path
[00:36:06] of the existing government. And you are telling
[00:36:09] us this morning that negotiations have already begun
[00:36:12] between the Joint List. The Change Bloc, what
[00:36:16] I know is that there are meetings between some
[00:36:19] of the leaders of the Change Bloc and the Joint
[00:36:22] List. Ideas from the list's
[00:36:26] perspective as well. Documents are being prepared
[00:36:30] to submit as part of this negotiation.
[00:36:34] Attorney S. Iraqi, Deputy Acting Mayor of
[00:36:49] citizens to the parties of the Haredi citizens, in about an hour, less
[00:36:53] even, representatives of United Torah Judaism will arrive for recommendations at the President's Residence, when the first
[00:36:57] one is. For 20 years, there has been no sweeping support
[00:37:00] for Netanyahu in the party. We are with you, our correspondent Daniel Grobvais, behind
[00:37:03] the scenes of this change of position
[00:37:07] of the United Torah Judaism party. Ahead of the round
[00:37:10] of talks at the President's Residence, United Torah Judaism clarified yesterday
[00:37:14] that for the first time after 20 years of support, the party will not
[00:37:17] recommend Netanyahu as a candidate to form a government, but will
[00:37:21] abstain completely. The party clarifies that no
[00:37:25] real offers or feelers have been received yet.
[00:37:28] But there they are careful not to close the door to possible offers.
[00:37:32] Another reason for the announcement that the party will not recommend Netanyahu
[00:37:36] is the stance behind the statement of the leader of Degel HaTorah, Rabbi Landau, a few
[00:37:40] months ago, that there is no more bloc,
[00:37:43] we are a bloc of the Torah world on our own. This statement
[00:37:47] was made in the shadow of the failed attempts then to pass a law exempting
[00:37:50] from conscription, and these days the time for redemption has come, when
[00:37:53] United Torah Judaism will emphasize that the supreme interest of the party
[00:37:57] is only the needs of the Haredi public. However,
[00:38:00] it is important to qualify: currently, this mainly refers to the position of the Lithuanian
[00:38:03] stream in the United Torah Judaism party, four representatives of
[00:38:07] the Degel HaTorah faction. This is in addition to one recommendation from
[00:38:11] MK Gafni from the Gur Hasidic dynasty, which has adopted
[00:38:15] a particularly militant stance against Netanyahu in the last term.
[00:38:18] In contrast, the other two Hasidic representatives, Porush
[00:38:21] and Stark, have not yet officially announced that they will not recommend
[00:38:24] Netanyahu, leaving an opening for last-minute
[00:38:28] negotiations. This is the situation in United Torah Judaism, but in the next few minutes we will talk about Shas.
[00:38:31] Hello, former MK from Shas, Nissim Ze'ev, founder
[00:38:35] and one of the movement's pioneers. Hello, Nissim. Yes, hello to you. The Council of Torah Sages
[00:38:39] Deri from
[00:38:42] resigning from Shas. If he
[00:38:46] at the head of Shas? Well,
[00:38:49] Deri lives and fulfills the commandments, and you shall do according to all that he commands you.
[00:38:53] Why did you laugh? Just
[00:38:56] curious.
[00:39:04] I already said my piece at the beginning of the week, but right
[00:39:08] now it doesn't matter what Aryeh's role
[00:39:11] in the movement is. What matters is the movement itself, how it
[00:39:14] rises, what are we doing to really restore
[00:39:18] public trust
[00:39:21] he can even be
[00:39:24] in the Knesset, but ultimately he will hold the movement. Is that how it will continue
[00:39:28] to be managed? Is he not responsible for Shas's
[00:39:31] all responsible. I think there wasn't enough, there was enough incitement
[00:39:34] for years, I would say, against conscription.
[00:39:38] The issue of conscription became a campaign,
[00:39:41] unfortunately, so incited
[00:39:44] and poisoned against the Haredi
[00:39:47] deal with it, so that no one would think or imagine
[00:39:50] that there was no real attempt to pass the conscription
[00:39:53] thousands would have already enlisted.
[00:39:57] But what do we have, thank God, a legal advisor who obstructed
[00:40:00] everything the government raised with the right-wing
[00:40:04] government and put spokes in the wheels. So
[00:40:08] your voters distanced themselves from you because
[00:40:10] of the legal advisor?
[00:40:12] Look, the voters also distanced themselves for a
[00:40:16] simple reason, it's the issue of trust
[00:40:19] in the movement and in the leadership of the movement, especially the political one. That
[00:40:22] is to say, our people certainly have trust
[00:40:26] in the great ones.
[00:40:33] Regarding the chairman, let's say, he did not
[00:40:36] come out, I would say, decisive
[00:40:39] in the way and in the line, in everything that was done against us. Take
[00:40:43] an example, when they come and incite on the issue
[00:40:46] of conscription, we should have fought back
[00:40:50] fiercely, to say that everything is a libel. I think
[00:40:53] that the campaign that Shas did at the beginning was indeed correct to see
[00:40:57] the family diversity that you can
[00:41:01] have a soldier and a Torah scholar and everyone
[00:41:04] sitting together and it's a Sephardic family, no, but you didn't
[00:41:08] say that. You said that no one needs to enlist. Rabbi Yosef said to tear
[00:41:11] uniforms and throw them in the toilet. Gafni himself said not to
[00:41:15] of it. You said that. It could be that because
[00:41:18] of this, the traditional voters especially distanced themselves from you, Nissim
[00:41:22] Ze'ev. But I think there should also have been a different
[00:41:25] statement. That is to say, when we came
[00:41:28] to correct the statements that were made before, and it is
[00:41:32] the understanding, Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef said it following real
[00:41:35] persecution where they took yeshiva students on their way
[00:41:39] to yeshiva. On their return home to prison. So it was
[00:41:42] simple. So what should you have said to keep the voters? I
[00:41:46] think first of all, proper
[00:41:49] see the people in the periphery or in the neighborhoods,
[00:41:52] what used to happen in previous elections, it really
[00:41:56] wasn't there. I'm saying that Shas
[00:42:00] Look, let's say what we really need to do today. We need
[00:42:03] to demand a national unity government. Really, if we are not
[00:42:07] in a unity government, the unity
[00:42:10] המשותפת לבין המיוחדת הערבית
[00:42:13] and we need to wake up. If we don't
[00:42:17] will shake itself off, so
[00:42:20] it's a great shame. A unity government
[00:42:24] Look, always
[00:42:28] in negotiations, everyone wants to take
[00:42:31] if Agudat Yisrael and Shas
[00:42:35] were to come today and say clearly,
[00:42:39] we want rotation.
[00:42:43] That's what will happen in the end and that's what needs to be done. In the end, you
[00:42:47] know, in the end, by the way, these two, Netanyahu and Eisenkot, they can form
[00:42:50] a unity government without the Haredim.
[00:42:54] Great, let them do it, there's no problem. If someone thinks
[00:42:57] that tomorrow morning the Haredim will disappear
[00:43:00] and Bibi will betray all his promises, I
[00:43:04] don't see it. Bibi is committed in any
[00:43:06] case, I think he will do it.
[00:43:10] Together and much easier and much faster with
[00:43:13] Eisenkot than alone. So Shas is making a mistake by recommending
[00:43:17] Netanyahu, could it have been like United Torah Judaism not to recommend anyone?
[00:43:21] Look, I don't get into what the Sages of the Torah
[00:43:23] decide. They decide and they are not... In your opinion, even
[00:43:27] you are wise. In my opinion, the move
[00:43:31] should first be unity between Agudat
[00:43:34] Yisrael and Shas. There should be one
[00:43:37] unified move that will demand the issue of conscription. The conscription
[00:43:41] law. But when you come as one bloc,
[00:43:44] it's much easier for you, and you also demand
[00:43:48] not only what burns for you, but
[00:43:51] also what burns for the state itself, and the state is burning
[00:43:55] today, and therefore this unity is needed. Why unity? By the way,
[00:43:59] why not go with Eisenkot without unity, just with
[00:44:01] Eisenkot? I think Eisenkot is much more moderate
[00:44:05] than others, he is a more logical person than
[00:44:09] others. What? You'll tell me the Democrats are less
[00:44:11] than the Joint List? How can you form a left-wing government
[00:44:15] with Arabs or or I would say from the Joint List?
[00:44:19] It's like forming like a person who says I don't care
[00:44:23] about my wife, the concubine is more important. But earlier you said what about the Haredim disappearing?
[00:44:26] So what about the Arabs disappearing? Are they not legitimate in the Knesset? Believe me, they receive
[00:44:30] much more than the Haredim receive. I wish, I'm telling
[00:44:34] you, I wish the Haredim received half of what the Arabs
[00:44:37] receive today. The preferential treatment...
[00:44:48] Well, just on that sentence, we can really have a whole conversation. Doesn't
[00:44:51] it sound a bit racist to you? No, not at all. I think
[00:44:55] that racism exists towards the Haredim. The persecution
[00:44:58] is terrible. I think that the Arabs don't give
[00:45:02] what they receive even in a tenth of a percent. They have no
[00:45:05] gratitude towards the state. They are the Joint List, they are not...
[00:45:52] suddenly starts to flatter the Haredim. Soon you'll see Lieberman uploading a story with
[00:45:56] the marks left on the hand after the tefillin and writing, "The most
[00:45:59] beautiful tattoo there is." To legitimize going with Eisenkot, the Haredim are already
[00:46:03] finding verses from the sources, "And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb," and Goldknopf
[00:46:07] with Gadi Arbitz and Mansour Kattan, they'll guide them.
[00:46:10] Right?
[00:46:13] I don't understand what I'm seeing. A lack of understanding of what is really happening. This
[00:46:16] is truly a distortion
[00:46:18] of the perception. This truth must
[00:46:22] come out.
[00:46:27] One of them simply cocks the weapon and opens fire at our
[00:46:31] forces.
[00:46:34] They are the head, they are to blame. There are many to blame for October 7th, I don't
[00:46:38] think the High Court is one of them.
[00:46:42] I haven't seen such a thing, I haven't heard such
[00:46:45] stories.
[00:46:51] I hope very much that the Israeli public knows how to believe
[00:46:55] the truth and will not follow
[00:55:18] Good morning, it's eight o'clock and we're with the news update. At the President's
[00:55:22] Residence in Jerusalem, the round of consultations with
[00:55:26] representatives of the factions elected to the Knesset resumed today, ahead of the task
[00:55:29] of forming the government. This is the second day of talks, Dikla Haron, what
[00:55:33] awaits us today?
[00:55:37] Yes, hello Roni, the parade of recommenders, as they call it, is expected
[00:55:40] to continue here today. We are expected to see at a quarter
[00:55:44] to nine the first faction that is supposed to arrive here at the President's Residence, United Torah
[00:55:47] Judaism. They are supposed, as of now, from what we
[00:55:50] understand, to refrain from recommending a candidate to form the government. After that,
[00:55:54] we will see the parties arriving here as we talk about
[00:55:58] these rounds of consultations.