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[00:00:00] As we know from history, how the uprising ended, at first they didn't find
[00:00:03] important evidence of what he did, how things were, only later
[00:00:07] six years passed, until his wife, after childbirth, was with him in Palanga,
[00:00:10] he arrived, was arrested and taken to
[00:00:13] Siberia, he was taken along with his
[00:00:17] relative, Romer, the artist,
[00:00:20] he was his wife's sister's
[00:00:24] husband, so they were related, so they were taken to
[00:00:28] Siberia, as I mentioned, and... "Later, after a few years,
[00:00:31] together, a rare story happened to them, both wives came with
[00:00:34] children, there are countless written sources, those who
[00:00:38] were exiled to Siberia, there are three volumes of a diary written, when
[00:00:42] Belazoraitė followed Medardas Koncha, after two years she was only allowed
[00:00:45] to catch up with her husband and live there, that
[00:00:49] Medardas himself, as we call him, that Medardas, the most famous,
[00:00:53] he himself decided to start writing a diary in '90,
[00:00:55] such a wonderful time, when you have time
[00:00:59] for children..." but of course he was so laconic, but generally
[00:01:03] you get to know people better through that, through everything they used to do,
[00:01:06] what they did, with whom they communicated, for example, Baranauskas
[00:01:10] used to stay, well, we have a lot
[00:01:13] of information and therefore much more of our own. After
[00:01:16] seven years of exile, Medardas Konče returned to
[00:01:20] Lokinė manor. His son Medardas Ezekiel
[00:01:23] and Povilas Petras Julius also joined the
[00:01:26] 1863
[00:01:29] uprising. exile also didn't avoid him, so one of the sons
[00:01:32] after the uprising hid and fled to Paris, where he is
[00:01:36] buried in Monmartre cemetery, another son
[00:01:39] was captured, exiled to Siberia for a short time,
[00:01:42] somehow miraculously got permission to leave, but could not
[00:01:46] return here, so he went to Poland, where he
[00:01:49] worked for some time as a count's clerk, after the count
[00:01:52] died, he was an advisor to his son and
[00:01:55] married the count's daughter later,
[00:01:59] yes. "He became rich, received a considerable
[00:02:02] dowry, a large manor from the count and, if
[00:02:05] I remember correctly, about
[00:02:08] 140,000 groschen, returned to
[00:02:11] Lithuania, he worked at the Bank of Lithuania in those
[00:02:14] days, received a considerable 4,000 silver
[00:02:17] salary and lived in the Tiškevičiai palace, where two strong men hold
[00:02:21] that balcony in Trakai street, so, having become rich, he later
[00:02:24] bought back, because the Šešolėliai manor was taken from the
[00:02:27] family after the uprisings, he..." later bought back the Šešolėliai manor and built the modern English
[00:02:31] style manor, which we now know, and another
[00:02:34] son participated less in the uprising, you know, there were many
[00:02:38] children, so he was more involved in
[00:02:40] agricultural activities, so he actually managed this whole
[00:02:44] property, the heir of Lokinė, Pranciškus Mykolas Juozepas Konča
[00:02:48] expanded the family's estates, you see the huge barn, so how is it now with those
[00:02:52] lands, generally they mainly managed about
[00:02:55] 2,500 hectares, which is actually a lot, because usually... how much
[00:02:58] do you have about 500 hectares 600 and it is already considered a large
[00:03:01] manor, but Pranciškus, his
[00:03:05] son, who managed this manor until the First World War and
[00:03:08] a little after it, he died in '27,
[00:03:11] so around 1911
[00:03:13] he started buying more lands, so he bought back the manors that had been taken
[00:03:17] before, and all the other manors around,
[00:03:21] so he expanded the whole farm to 3600
[00:03:25] hectares, in his father's diary it is written that
[00:03:28] "we pour cast iron like in Chicago, my Pranciškus
[00:03:31] created such a factory," so now that village is gone, but right here, a few
[00:03:35] kilometers away, according to the old maps, there was a cast iron
[00:03:38] foundry, there are photos of a carriage with four
[00:03:42] horses standing, he used to climb onto the barn roof and fix the
[00:03:45] shingles, being 80-something
[00:03:48] years old, because he didn't trust others, it had to
[00:03:52] be nailed down exactly as needed, the manor's
[00:03:56] prosperity was hindered by the First World War, the estates
[00:04:00] were cut back during the interwar period due to the land reform, the First
[00:04:03] World War cost him very dearly, after
[00:04:06] the First World War, roughly they were left with 500
[00:04:10] hectares, everything was taken away, and then during the land reform they
[00:04:13] were left, as everyone was, with the manor and 80
[00:04:16] hectares, but since at that moment they were engaged in very advanced
[00:04:20] farming, they were later given back 160
[00:04:23] hectares for each
[00:04:25] hello. Well, how many child, because when he died in '27, two boys and
[00:04:28] their mother remained, probably one of the last photos, Ludvika
[00:04:32] Gružauskaitė Končienė, posing by the wooden ornate
[00:04:36] Lokinė manor, the Soviet occupation struck,
[00:04:38] the landlady and her two young sons, Pranciškus Mikalojus
[00:04:42] and Marionas Motiejus, were repressed. The manor
[00:04:45] was nationalized, valuables were lost, the archive
[00:04:49] was destroyed. The Končios brothers later joined the
[00:04:52] Polish underground resistance, Marionas
[00:04:54] Končio was killed. Just recently his brother's remains were found,
[00:04:58] and the other brother was arrested, taken to a labor camp
[00:05:02] near Moscow, from which he escaped, by the way,
[00:05:06] changed his surname, because there was a bit of persecution and... and
[00:05:09] lives in Gdansk. During the Soviet era, the nationalized
[00:05:13] manor homestead was transferred to the Siesikai
[00:05:16] collective farm. After the war, a
[00:05:19] collective farm office was established. We were lucky, it was a huge collective farm, though a bit
[00:05:23] smaller. So many families were moved into
[00:05:26] the outbuilding, about eight apartments were divided, made, a
[00:05:30] cinema, laundry, shop operated, well, you know, there was a lack of space, everyone
[00:05:34] was moved in, the manor house survived until about
[00:05:37] 1950, during which time, it's not clear when, between
[00:05:41] 1944 and 1950, locals brewed moonshine,
[00:05:44] colloquially speaking, they burned down the manor, so it didn't survive, only a few
[00:05:48] cellars of the manor remained, during the Soviet era, the name of the village
[00:05:51] and the manor was also changed, actually this is the Lukinis manor,
[00:05:54] not Lokinė, Lokinė appeared here so miraculously around 1970,
[00:05:58] for some reason, during the collective farm times, they decided to change
[00:06:02] the name, actually it was always known as Lukinė and according
[00:06:05] to historical sources, the origin of the
[00:06:08] name is not entirely clear. The Koncha family coat of arms has hands that look like a bow,
[00:06:12] so that might be one of them, but I think that's less likely, because
[00:06:16] the name is older than when the Koncha family settled here, there's a
[00:06:20] Luknė, a marsh flower, on the other side, we have a
[00:06:23] hillfort and those marsh flowers grow there, and there's also
[00:06:27] another thing, since here it's a curve, right behind me,
[00:06:31] this is one of the old main roads, at this manor, the road turns
[00:06:34] when driving from Siesikai, so from Polish it means something like a
[00:06:38] corner, for many years the Lokinė manor was officially
[00:06:42] declared ownerless property, a few years ago
[00:06:45] an unexpected meeting with Konča's descendant,
[00:06:48] Elžbieta Konča, took place.
[00:06:52] It took six years, they had to publish messages
[00:06:55] in newspapers and all these things, and it was said
[00:06:59] that they refused, because there was no land, but when
[00:07:03] that heiress arrived, of course she's not the only one of
[00:07:05] the sisters, so one said, there aren't 160
[00:07:08] hectares here, so it's not needed, your one.
[00:07:12] The one who delves most into the family history and cares the most, she said,
[00:07:16] we, she lives in Florida now and also half
[00:07:20] a quarter of a foot in Gdansk, she says, we
[00:07:23] wouldn't be able to drive there anyway, and indeed very little was preserved here,
[00:07:27] but what was stranger, was that she simply didn't check what was happening
[00:07:31] with this manor, solely because she was afraid that,
[00:07:34] as she said, a farm would be built, that
[00:07:38] a parking lot would be made or apartment buildings or something
[00:07:42] else. She didn't know what, because, well, you automatically don't check if it's
[00:07:45] heritage at all and how all this happens, so she simply
[00:07:49] didn't check for a very long time. One of the family's pains
[00:07:53] was that the uncle was simply buried in a common
[00:07:56] grave and no one knew where the uncle's remains were,
[00:08:00] and precisely about two or three years ago (I'm afraid to lie about the exact number of years),
[00:08:04] an institute that searches for remains called and said,
[00:08:08] "We probably found your uncle and we need to do DNA
[00:08:11] tests." In short, just to really confirm it, and that was the first moment
[00:08:15] when she thought, "Maybe it's worth taking a look," because, after all,
[00:08:18] it stirs up a lot of emotions, and then she
[00:08:21] found us through social networks, found us,
[00:08:24] read everything, and at that point it started to get strange, when you see
[00:08:28] that like, like and exactly with the same surname, and then she
[00:08:32] contacted us, our first conversation probably
[00:08:35] lasted about two hours, ah, so probably
[00:08:38] the husband was the only one who didn't cry, because both, well, really a lot, very different.
[00:08:42] You start looking at that place differently when you see a real person,
[00:08:46] you don't just read about them, well, it's not a novel, she
[00:08:49] was here for the second time and
[00:08:52] at least says that she considers us also part of the extended family, actually
[00:08:56] such a very sweet
[00:08:59] saying, after historical losses,
[00:09:03] it will be necessary to revive not only buildings, but also history,
[00:09:07] detailed and interesting research awaits, as a rich
[00:09:10] legacy of manor owners' Konchas' diaries, other written
[00:09:14] sources, and iconographic heritage has survived. The first
[00:09:17] building they tried to restore, a small cart house,
[00:09:21] the only remaining structure of the former stables. One of the surviving manor
[00:09:25] buildings, the mighty barn, is also being revived.
[00:09:29] Initially, it was necessary to remove the danger posed by the barn,
[00:09:33] fix the collapsed roof, and the fallen
[00:09:36] walls. So, here we are at the main barn
[00:09:40] doors, so what do we have from?
[00:09:42] a classicist style building, which has changed little,
[00:09:46] so we are glad that it has a lot of authenticity, so one of them is these
[00:09:49] original Koncha-era doors with a still working original
[00:09:53] lock, it is protected, it is listed in the register of valuables next to this building,
[00:09:57] but the doors themselves are well preserved, they are only waiting
[00:10:00] for restoration, so here we are now inside the
[00:10:04] barn, what was it like when we
[00:10:07] came here, it was full of piles of garbage, all sorts of...
[00:10:10] various partitions were made of shelves, well, to store as much as possible,
[00:10:14] which affected the structural integrity of the barn itself, here
[00:10:17] in the corner you can see in all places where the
[00:10:21] ceiling beams go, there are purely structural
[00:10:24] cracks, because the building itself does
[00:10:28] not have a concrete ring, which we do
[00:10:31] over time, a wooden beam was embedded, which over time
[00:10:34] still, the building is over 200 years old, over time it
[00:10:38] rotted and the support, the load is not distributed nicely
[00:10:42] along the entire wall and it turned out that precisely at the masonry places where
[00:10:45] the beam is, cracks appeared,
[00:10:48] and why this happened,
[00:10:52] there was a very good, good summer, it was very overloaded with
[00:10:56] grain and during the collective farm times, where to put it, they tried to cram everything into the building, so
[00:10:59] imagine, here it was filled with 2
[00:11:02] meters of grain, another additional shelf-like
[00:11:06] floor was made, and then the entire attic was covered with a meter of grain,
[00:11:08] it stood, settled, and structural
[00:11:12] cracks appeared, which a little bit twisted the
[00:11:15] building itself, so we see these
[00:11:19] columns, they were shifted
[00:11:22] and everything here was... the roof ridge
[00:11:26] was also straight, but the attic support in the middle had collapsed,
[00:11:30] so it had to be a little bit propped up, put back in place so that the building
[00:11:34] wouldn't settle further. Now we are in the barn's
[00:11:37] attic, the construction itself, as you can see, everywhere
[00:11:40] wooden pegs are used, so that shows that nothing
[00:11:44] was rebuilt here during the Soviet era, and next to it we have a lifting
[00:11:47] mechanism, the floors have been changed, so the opening is gone, but
[00:11:51] the mechanism itself remains, so we have a pulley
[00:11:54] made of wood. slightly chipped from
[00:11:57] use, about 400 square meters,
[00:12:00] the barn was built during Koncha's time. Koncha, when
[00:12:04] he bought this whole area, completely rebuilt everything, there are
[00:12:07] speculations, it's not fully clear yet,
[00:12:09] that the current barn stood on the site of the Grotus and
[00:12:13] Dumatos Acicki era manor, as you can see, there
[00:12:16] are window openings, window openings are formed large like a
[00:12:20] manor, they were only later bricked up, there is no brick
[00:12:23] bond, so this idea can also be speculated,
[00:12:26] but maybe it could be
[00:12:29] so, because Elžbieta also told us that at first they built a stone
[00:12:33] palace, they wanted a stone one, but after living in a stone building they realized that they
[00:12:37] didn't want a stone one, because imagine winters,
[00:12:40] those stone walls were so cold that they still
[00:12:43] got cold and the maids scraped ice from the windows and
[00:12:47] the walls were not enough just with tiles, as we don't have such low ones now,
[00:12:51] so they changed their mind and
[00:12:54] it seems that this could fit, that
[00:12:57] the barn now stands in the place of the old manor and after changing it, they built
[00:13:01] wooden manor houses in the middle between the outbuilding and the
[00:13:04] barn. While tidying the barn, unexpected cellars
[00:13:07] were found, older than the building itself. Since
[00:13:10] there wasn't much in the documents, generally, no serious historical
[00:13:13] research, how things were, that those bags were bought. We noticed
[00:13:17] that there were collapses here, indicating a
[00:13:20] cellar. There are no entrances to the cellar, everything is covered,
[00:13:24] filled in. Covered with trash, nothing was visible, so we looked through
[00:13:27] one opening and saw that the smallest friend would fit there, so we lowered
[00:13:31] that friend by his hands, he slid through piles of trash, found the cellar, and
[00:13:34] we shouted, "So what did you find there?" He was silent,
[00:13:38] silent, but "you know, a mummy," so in that cellar lives a mummified cat,
[00:13:42] so later we saw, because
[00:13:44] during Soviet times, it turned out that since there was thick concrete, local people started stealing grain,
[00:13:48] they drilled holes in the floor and put it into bags, so they had simply
[00:13:51] placed a concrete block in that spot, when we were tidying up, we
[00:13:55] removed it, the cellar itself was also exactly the same,
[00:13:59] it was full of bottles, slate and
[00:14:02] all sorts of other things, I don't know, we probably removed at least 10
[00:14:06] cubic meters. So here we are
[00:14:10] in the barn's cellar,
[00:14:12] we have two such surviving rooms, as I mentioned before,
[00:14:16] their structures do not match the ground floor floors,
[00:14:19] so there is a guess that this is older, as
[00:14:22] in the found documents, when
[00:14:26] the Sasickiai sold to Grotusas, the list states
[00:14:30] that there was a manor house, old
[00:14:33] with cheese cellars, so there is a
[00:14:37] suspicion that these are those cheese cellars, because when the Koncha
[00:14:40] family acquired the manor, they completely, completely
[00:14:42] rebuilt everything, new palace, new barn,
[00:14:46] but the cellars are older, we are not sure how old these cellars
[00:14:49] are, but one of the older pieces of evidence is, as you can see,
[00:14:53] the plaster is mixed with lime bubbles remaining, meaning the lime
[00:14:57] was coarser and not all the lime dissolved. The condition
[00:15:00] of the arches themselves, we are very happy that we don't need to do anything with them,
[00:15:04] because the arches are not collapsed,
[00:15:07] not cracked, so the condition of the cellars is really good, only the back walls
[00:15:11] were washed out and it was full, full of garbage here, so the longest
[00:15:15] and most tedious job was to carry out all this garbage, as
[00:15:18] they say, we also have a preserved
[00:15:21] original doorframe, maybe we just need to fit some doors sometime,
[00:15:25] so that the cellar would be colder, what else can we say
[00:15:28] about the cellars, there is a ventilation
[00:15:31] system, every few bricks there is a gap left and
[00:15:35] behind that gap there is clay. compacted earth, so that it can
[00:15:39] ventilate, so we have about
[00:15:42] 10 such gaps in each of the cellars, through
[00:15:46] which natural ventilation takes place,
[00:15:49] there are also a few niches remaining for putting
[00:15:52] things, a candle perhaps and and and
[00:15:55] others, and we have that one entrance from the outside
[00:15:59] via steps and an arched entrance
[00:16:03] and a passage to another cellar, where there are stairs
[00:16:05] for exiting to the first
[00:16:08] floor of the barn. So here we are
[00:16:12] in the second room of the barn's cellar,
[00:16:16] as we suspect, this is the cheese dairy, so it is an
[00:16:20] identical room, their area is very similar, there
[00:16:24] was also a ventilation opening to the outside in this place, as I mentioned, additional
[00:16:27] gaps are also made between the bricks, but what
[00:16:31] we have are those beautiful stairs that lead to the first
[00:16:35] floor of the building, so because... everything was closed there,
[00:16:38] so again we speculate with the idea that
[00:16:41] these are the old Grotus era manor cellars,
[00:16:45] so the stairs are curved, there are several
[00:16:48] niches that are for putting candles or
[00:16:51] small items, and they end up to a meter from the top, because there
[00:16:55] the floor structures of the new barn begin, structural
[00:16:59] beams, foundation foundation blocks laid and
[00:17:02] and and similar things, what else with those little doors, that's also
[00:17:06] visible. in those notches, it seems that the steps were
[00:17:09] wooden, unfortunately we didn't find any remaining, they were probably
[00:17:13] taken out with the turn, and here is such an interesting bricked corner,
[00:17:16] here it is, so the guess is that this was probably part of the shaft and
[00:17:20] this area was closed with wooden doors.
[00:17:23] Fragments of the Lokinė manor homestead were registered
[00:17:26] in the cultural heritage register back in
[00:17:30] 1992.
[00:17:32] Worn out by historical misfortunes, the manor buildings
[00:17:36] and the surviving park alleys awaited new caring
[00:17:40] owners, now I enrolled in doctoral studies this year,
[00:17:44] I will be a doctoral student, from autumn, because this
[00:17:47] place changed a lot, a lot of everything, and this is not about any
[00:17:51] personal relationships or similar, but very much so, this
[00:17:55] will be my second degree related to the manor, because I finished my master's
[00:17:59] last year specifically on fermented beverages, because
[00:18:02] Lithuania needs that diploma,
[00:18:05] and now somehow I decided... that it's really great to study and
[00:18:09] there are many scientists in the family history, I decided
[00:18:13] to try applying for environmental engineering
[00:18:17] and specifically the application of ecosystems in heritage areas, I really
[00:18:20] wanted to activate this place through science and
[00:18:24] learn even more broadly, even more, what people do, how
[00:18:27] it's possible and what science says can be done with such
[00:18:30] buildings, how to activate them,
[00:18:33] preserve them specifically through that other environmental prism, oh my.
[00:18:37] My dream is a park and that's more of a decorative park, but
[00:18:41] a park needs countless hands, countless,
[00:18:45] oh, and during your show, you know, I also heard a very good saying,
[00:18:48] that it usually took more than one generation to build a manor, so
[00:18:52] reviving it will usually take more than
[00:18:53] one. Lokinė Manor will be
[00:18:57] revived, even if it might take more than one
[00:19:01] generation.
[00:19:25] What do an elegant music genius and
[00:19:29] a tough guy from the streets of New York have in common, until
[00:19:32] fate puts them in one car,
[00:19:35] awarded three Oscars. A sensitive and comical
[00:19:39] film that opens up the painful history
[00:19:42] of racial segregation in America. The Green
[00:19:45] Book. Today
[00:19:48] at 9:50 PM on LRT
[00:19:51] television.
[00:19:57] Well, there you go, and an ultimatum was given,
[00:19:59] either me or the bees. Now serious
[00:20:02] things await, right? Cleaning. He thinks I can't. I can perform
[00:20:06] Beethoven there. Egidijus Supavičius. What
[00:20:10] beauty.
[00:20:11] Today at
[00:20:14] 5 PM on LRT
[00:20:16] television. In History Detectives
[00:20:19] we will remember how the Lithuanian Riflemen's Union was restored. Cases
[00:20:23] were initiated and on some
[00:20:26] files it was written in red pencil: "liquidate." And we ask, why did Sąjūdis become a powerful
[00:20:30] movement in a short time? This was the first
[00:20:33] spark, because the question is always whether there should be that first one
[00:20:36] or not, who dares to do something. History Detectives
[00:20:40] tonight.