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[00:00:00] We have raised, for example, this trend could be followed in
[00:00:04] the care of the elderly, but
[00:00:06] relate please, do not distract attention, you promised
[00:00:09] the voters in that program, with which you won the
[00:00:12] election, that you would increase the home care
[00:00:16] not on rumors, but on the fee by 50%, but you did not do it neither immediately, nor
[00:00:20] by 50%, there are two possibilities, either you were not
[00:00:23] serious about it, then it is called a lie, or if you were
[00:00:27] serious about it, but you did not do it, then
[00:00:29] in under two years will be introduced, or will you are not fit for governance.
[00:00:32] together like this, yes, Margot and Neither is good in this case, both are irrelevant, I cannot accept your answer
[00:00:36] because the people did not receive what you promised
[00:00:39] them. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Representative.
[00:00:43] Given that the representative did not accept the answer.
[00:00:46] I ask the National Assembly whether they accept the answer, please vote
[00:00:50] now.
[00:01:01] worked,
[00:01:04] thank you very much, the National Assembly with 126 votes in favor,
[00:01:08] the resolution of this issue? Thank you 49 votes against and no abstentions, accepted
[00:01:11] the answer. István Szabadi, representative of Our Homeland,
[00:01:14] submitted an interpellation to the Minister of Economy
[00:01:17] and Energy, titled "How do they plan to regain the trust of citizens
[00:01:21] in postal services". Representative István Szabadi has the floor,
[00:01:25] for a three-minute time limit,
[00:01:27] please. Thank you very much for the floor. Dear Madam Speaker, dear
[00:01:31] National Assembly, dear Minister, the Hungarian Post is in a quite
[00:01:34] serious situation, due to the wave of post office closures and
[00:01:38] downsizing in recent years, the traditional postal network
[00:01:42] titled "Why are they saving has radically shrunk, the Lőrinc Mészáros got about low wage level has led to a critical
[00:01:45] level of fluctuation, and the remaining staff is burdened
[00:01:48] with an unbearable workload,
[00:01:51] anything yet, but I have a feeling, well, the system where teachers can also receive which is further exacerbated by unrealistic sales expectations that are alien
[00:01:54] to the core activity, which we can see daily if we go to the post office.
[00:01:58] The Orbán government for years
[00:02:01] save on students, that it's not the case that instead of
[00:02:01] If on April 12th, the utterly neglected the traditional postal
[00:02:02] they'll help you choose network, unilaterally investing
[00:02:05] most of the development funds into the logistics network,
[00:02:08] which put its economic
[00:02:11] Esteemed National Assembly, Krisztián Kulcsár, the inner circle in a favorable position. The operation of the national
[00:02:13] postal company is still permeated by the intertwining of interests
[00:02:17] associated with Tiborc István's name and Váberer.
[00:02:21] The peak of this process was the Ecser logistics mega-investment,
[00:02:24] which was also built by Váberer's subsidiary for the Post
[00:02:28] for 12.5 billion forints. However, after the Ecser
[00:02:31] logistics center was put into operation in August, a nationwide package chaos
[00:02:35] lasting several weeks began, in which approximately 15,000 packages
[00:02:39] circulated for weeks in postal
[00:02:42] systems. All this happened despite the fact that the Orbán government had previously
[00:02:45] mandated by decree that all domestic web stores offer
[00:02:49] NPL shipping options. The temporary
[00:02:53] to get rid of this software error communicated by the Post actually covered a system-wide
[00:02:56] collapse. To handle the backlog, several previously closed
[00:03:00] processing points had to be reopened, and the lack of manual capacity
[00:03:04] was attempted to be solved by redirecting rural and hired
[00:03:07] workers, working weekends, and
[00:03:11] I would like to ask overtime, although the package backlog seems to have been resolved
[00:03:14] in recent days, this is not due to the stabilization
[00:03:18] of operations, but primarily to a significant
[00:03:20] drop in package volume. Due to the multi-week
[00:03:24] logistics chaos, the public and domestic web shops suffered
[00:03:27] significant losses and massively eliminated the NPL
[00:03:30] shipping method, which caused a drastic
[00:03:33] drop in package numbers and revenue,
[00:03:36] market loss, and liability for damages to the company.
[00:03:40] so that we also remain stylish, Such a level of operational collapse cannot
[00:03:43] go without consequences. There is clearly
[00:03:46] managerial, strategic, and
[00:03:48] Why are they saving on political responsibility here. Therefore, dear Minister,
[00:03:51] I ask for your answer regarding who is specifically responsible
[00:03:55] for the logistics crisis that has arisen,
[00:03:58] was there an internal investigation at the Hungarian Post,
[00:04:01] what immediate measures do they plan to stabilize
[00:04:04] the Hungarian Post's market share in parcel delivery,
[00:04:08] and rebuild customer confidence before the upcoming
[00:04:12] peak season at the end of the year. Despite the drastic
[00:04:15] volume reduction, will the jobs of postal
[00:04:18] employees be guaranteed, or will the employees again
[00:04:21] pay for the mistakes of the highly paid management? I await your kind
[00:04:25] reply. Thank you very much. Thank you
[00:04:28] very much, Mr. Representative, I now give the floor to Minister István Kapitány,
[00:04:32] for a four-minute time limit, please, Minister,
[00:04:35] the floor is yours. Dear Madam Speaker, dear
[00:04:38] National Assembly, dear Mr. Representative,
[00:04:42] in your interpellation, you highlighted a very important
[00:04:46] is to create a pedagogical connection, and this is very important in this matter, namely that
[00:04:49] the former government's inner circle
[00:04:52] took over the Hungarian Post, but this is not
[00:04:56] an activity that is unique to the Hungarian Post.
[00:05:01] We started reviewing all such activities in the past period,
[00:05:04] and as you heard from the press, this is no exception,
[00:05:08] neither is the Post. We started the financial,
[00:05:11] legal, and business review of the Post for
[00:05:15] the activity that you highlighted,
[00:05:19] and we fully agree that this activity is not
[00:05:22] at the level that would be expected
[00:05:25] from a postal service company, but what is the pattern
[00:05:29] we have seen here in the past period, we have seen the pattern
[00:05:32] that profitable activities
[00:05:36] were outsourced from companies where this was possible to
[00:05:40] friends, acquaintances, and a close circle close to the government.
[00:05:43] If we talk about the Hungarian Tourism Agency,
[00:05:47] then about 60% of a multi-year
[00:05:49] framework was received by about 3%
[00:05:52] of the entrepreneurs involved in Hungarian
[00:05:55] tourism, not small and medium-sized enterprises. We see the same
[00:05:58] names emerging in every
[00:06:02] one of our investigations. We have started the
[00:06:05] review, here you are talking about the Ecser
[00:06:08] logistics hub, but the pallet services, the
[00:06:11] postal... insurers, NPT Security, the
[00:06:15] communication activities through the lounge,
[00:06:18] all this is under investigation, and I can guarantee you
[00:06:22] that within a few weeks you will receive the detailed
[00:06:25] results of this investigation. This is very important
[00:06:29] in this context, I think, because similarly
[00:06:33] at the MFB, at the Exxim
[00:06:35] Bank, at the MTÜ,
[00:06:39] and at other organizations in the concession procedures, at the
[00:06:43] motorway constructions, we see a similar
[00:06:46] pattern, profitable activities are outsourced,
[00:06:49] and such activities remain
[00:06:53] that in this case can perform the task
[00:06:56] much more difficultly in the market, in this case a postal
[00:07:00] activity and a logistics activity must
[00:07:03] be performed. Fortunately, we prevented
[00:07:07] the separation of the logistics and postal network, because I guess
[00:07:10] you know that would have happened too.
[00:07:14] Tisza party had not won this election, and I think that then
[00:07:17] it would have been even more difficult to solve the
[00:07:20] situation. We agree that this was not caused
[00:07:23] by the employees, in fact, I must say about the employees,
[00:07:27] about the postal employees, that they do an excellent job, because
[00:07:31] they do their work in very difficult circumstances, and within such
[00:07:34] an activity, as you also said, which is a complex
[00:07:37] sales activity. There was a complete
[00:07:40] change of leadership at the Post and there
[00:07:43] will be more, so obviously we investigated who is responsible
[00:07:47] for this, if someone is responsible for the operation,
[00:07:50] and
[00:07:53] we bring in such leaders
[00:07:57] who have international experience and perform their activities
[00:08:00] in the interest of Hungarian citizens, and not for the purpose
[00:08:03] of enriching their acquaintances and friends,
[00:08:06] and not even in the manner you mentioned,
[00:08:10] which is completely and always unfounded.
[00:08:13] Allow me two more things, we will correct
[00:08:17] these errors, within a few weeks we will come back with the results
[00:08:20] of the investigation and what logistics and postal
[00:08:24] services we plan in Hungary, in state
[00:08:26] ownership, for Hungarians, by Hungarians. Thank you
[00:08:30] very much.
[00:08:31] Thank you very much.
[00:08:35] Thank you very much, Minister, I now ask
[00:08:39] the Representative if he accepts the answer. He has one minute to respond.
[00:08:42] Thank you very much for the floor, Madam Speaker, esteemed National Assembly, esteemed
[00:08:46] Minister. We completely agree that the postal workers
[00:08:50] do an excellent job every day. It is thanks to their
[00:08:52] work that the post office still functions somehow, but
[00:08:56] we would like to send a first-class letter, because it doesn't even arrive the next day,
[00:09:00] only on the third day, if we send a normal letter,
[00:09:03] it takes a week, or two, or God knows when it arrives, so
[00:09:07] but Minister, I trust that there will
[00:09:10] indeed be a change, but let's revisit this in two
[00:09:14] or three weeks, until then, allow me to not accept your answer,
[00:09:18] so that the work that awaits
[00:09:21] you in this regard can truly happen, also because the
[00:09:25] Hungarian citizens, the small businesses, have suffered serious losses
[00:09:29] due to the package chaos, and there must be some
[00:09:32] consequence for this, furthermore, of course,
[00:09:35] we can point to the past 16 years, because unfortunately, this is a consequence of that, but
[00:09:38] at the present moment, it is now your turn
[00:09:42] to make sure this truly seems to be resolved, or
[00:09:46] is resolved. Thank you very much. Thank you
[00:09:49] very much, Mr. Representative. Given that
[00:09:51] the Representative did not accept the answer. I now ask the National Assembly
[00:09:55] if they accept the answer? Please vote now.
[00:09:59] Thank you very much. I now declare
[00:10:12] and announce the National Assembly's resolution. The
[00:10:15] National Assembly accepted the answer with 127 votes in favor,
[00:10:19] 48 votes against, and no abstentions.
[00:10:22] Dr. Simon Krisztián Márk, representative of Tisza,
[00:10:25] submitted an interpellation to the Minister of Finance. Titled "Under what
[00:10:29] conditions can the wealth tax for billionaires be implemented".
[00:10:33] Dr. Simon Krisztián Márk, Representative, has the floor.
[00:10:36] Three minutes time limit, please, Representative.
[00:10:39] Thank you for the floor, Madam Speaker, esteemed House, esteemed Minister.
[00:10:43] Hungarian society has long observed
[00:10:46] that the price of crises and economic difficulties is primarily
[00:10:50] paid by ordinary people, those who live on wages
[00:10:53] and salaries, so I am thinking of income and consumption taxes here.
[00:10:57] The current government intends to break
[00:10:59] with this tradition. According to the draft wealth tax law,
[00:11:03] the legislation will create a tax system that places
[00:11:07] social justice at the center of economic policy.
[00:11:10] A public consultation on this has begun
[00:11:13] on the kormany.hu website. With the introduction
[00:11:16] of the wealth tax, the tax system will give due
[00:11:20] emphasis to the wealth of taxpayers as the
[00:11:24] third pillar of public burden-sharing,
[00:11:27] alongside income and consumption taxes.
[00:11:29] The aim of the law is to involve the economic capacity embodied
[00:11:33] in outstanding wealth in public
[00:11:35] burden-sharing.
[00:11:37] People expect clear answers regarding the new tax,
[00:11:41] they want to know what it will mean in practice. I would like
[00:11:45] to know, first of all, how the new tax will serve
[00:11:48] the interests of the Hungarian people. Therefore, I address
[00:11:52] the following questions to you,
[00:11:55] Minister: My first question is, when exactly will the system come into force,
[00:11:58] who will the planned wealth tax apply to,
[00:12:02] what asset categories will it affect, what
[00:12:06] tax brackets, value limits, and tax types are planned
[00:12:09] for those with outstanding wealth, how will already paid,
[00:12:13] possibly other types of taxes be taken into account,
[00:12:16] will the new tax system entail any administrative
[00:12:19] burden for average Hungarian families with assets,
[00:12:22] finally, the most important question: "how does the government
[00:12:25] guarantee that the tax revenues collected from billionaires will actually serve
[00:12:29] the common good, how do they ensure that this money
[00:12:32] improves the lives of Hungarian people.
[00:12:35] Thank you, and I look forward to your honorable
[00:12:39] answer.
[00:12:47] I respectfully greet my fellow representatives, and I now give the floor
[00:12:49] to Minister András Kármán for his reply,
[00:12:53] with a four-minute time limit.
[00:12:56] Thank you for the floor, Mr. Speaker, esteemed House, esteemed Mr. Representative,
[00:12:59] in the case of this tax,
[00:13:03] just like in the case of the other tax proposal, the government's
[00:13:07] goal is more equitable public burden-sharing.
[00:13:10] In the past 16 years, an extremely disproportionate
[00:13:14] tax system has developed in Hungary,
[00:13:17] low-income earners, in proportion to their income,
[00:13:20] pay more, while those with large assets
[00:13:24] bear a significantly smaller burden in proportion.
[00:13:27] The result of this is that in 10 years, the wealth of the 100
[00:13:31] richest Hungarians increased by 325%,
[00:13:33] and today the distribution
[00:13:36] of wealth in Hungary is one of the most extreme in the European
[00:13:40] Union. That is why the government
[00:13:43] submitted the draft on the wealth tax for billionaires
[00:13:47] for public consultation, and I will answer
[00:13:50] your questions based on this draft.
[00:13:54] According to our
[00:13:57] tax proposal, the tax will come into force on January 1,
[00:14:00] 2027. The first tax liability will
[00:14:03] be determined based on the financial status
[00:14:07] on December 31, 2026, and the deadline
[00:14:09] for the first payment will be the end
[00:14:12] of August 2027. The tax applies
[00:14:16] to net assets exceeding 1 billion forints,
[00:14:20] it covers real estate, cash,
[00:14:24] securities, company
[00:14:27] shares, cryptocurrencies,
[00:14:29] including assets held abroad,
[00:14:32] in trust management, or
[00:14:36] private foundations. Tax loopholes
[00:14:39] will therefore be closed. The tax rate will be
[00:14:43] 1% on the portion between 1 billion and 100
[00:14:47] billion forints, and different above 100
[00:14:51] billion forints. The tax applies to net
[00:14:55] assets, meaning that the tax base can be reduced
[00:14:59] by liabilities, and to avoid
[00:15:03] double taxation, taxes paid on real estate
[00:15:06] or vehicles can be deducted
[00:15:10] from the wealth tax. For average
[00:15:13] asset-owning families, the wealth tax will not
[00:15:17] entail any reporting obligation, administration,
[00:15:20] or tasks. Daily life.
[00:15:23] As for the revenues.
[00:15:33] Our conservative estimate is that the tax will generate
[00:15:36] approximately 200 billion forints in annual revenue,
[00:15:40] and this measure will provide coverage for the tax credit
[00:15:44] supporting hundreds of thousands of employees
[00:15:46] earning below the median wage. We will finalize
[00:15:48] the draft based
[00:15:51] on the public consultation experience soon
[00:15:55] and submit it to the National Assembly. I ask for the
[00:15:58] acceptance of my answer. Thank you very much.
[00:16:01] I will now ask
[00:16:08] Dr. Simon Krisztián Márk, Representative, if he accepts the answer.
[00:16:12] He has one minute to make his statement. Thank you, Minister, for your answer and
[00:16:15] information. After discussing the Kata rules, I believe
[00:16:18] that we are also clear in this area.
[00:16:22] I am convinced that making public burden-sharing
[00:16:25] more equitable is our common social interest. It is important
[00:16:29] that the planned measures be implemented with clear,
[00:16:32] transparent, and transparent rules.
[00:16:36] And truly serve the interests of the Hungarian people.
[00:16:40] According to the draft law submitted for public consultation,
[00:16:42] the amounts from the wealth tax will increase the general
[00:16:46] revenues of the central budget, but
[00:16:49] it will be used for specific purposes, for example, for the development
[00:16:52] of healthcare, and for the reduction of social
[00:16:55] inequalities. Thank you for your answer, and I accept it. Thank you
[00:16:58] very much.
[00:17:04] Esteemed National Assembly, the Representative has accepted the
[00:17:08] answer. Dr. Anna Molnárné Lezsák, Fidesz representative,
[00:17:12] submitted an interpellation to the Minister responsible
[00:17:15] for agriculture and food economy, titled "We have become a country
[00:17:18] of shutdowns". Dr. Anna Molnárné Lezsák, Representative, has the floor,
[00:17:22] for a three-minute time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. Speaker.
[00:17:25] Esteemed Minister, we were shocked to learn that
[00:17:29] a few months after the Tisza government took office, in August,
[00:17:33] they stopped the payment of subsidies already awarded
[00:17:36] under the Hungarikum program. They announced that
[00:17:39] the program cannot continue in its current form, and the
[00:17:43] qualification process for Hungarikums will also be reformed.
[00:17:46] In April, 375 applicants won
[00:17:49] a tender, municipalities, civil organizations, folk
[00:17:52] artisans. The Hungarian state once told these 375
[00:17:56] applicants that they had won. A total of 1.150 million
[00:18:00] forints is at stake. This is an almost imperceptible
[00:18:03] amount in a country's budget, but in a small village,
[00:18:07] the won amount can be used to hold a festival based on Hungarikums,
[00:18:11] to organize a community gathering. Four months ago,
[00:18:15] the state said they won. Later, however,
[00:18:18] it changed its stance, telling the winners of the tender
[00:18:22] that they didn't win after all. This is the elevation
[00:18:25] of unpredictability to a state level.
[00:18:29] And on what grounds do they do all this?
[00:18:32] On the grounds that they are working on creating a political-free,
[00:18:36] truly professional performance-recognizing system. Dear Minister, what
[00:18:39] political bias do they perceive in the Kalocsa paprika,
[00:18:43] in the southern bell ringing, or in the Vecsés
[00:18:46] pickled cabbage? Because while you talk about
[00:18:50] being apolitical, you are precisely bringing political
[00:18:53] suspicion into a matter that has hitherto enjoyed broad
[00:18:56] national consensus. The law on Hungarikums
[00:18:59] was passed in 2012 with the broadest
[00:19:03] political consensus. The committee responsible for awarding
[00:19:06] grants includes, among others, the Hungarian Standing
[00:19:09] Conference, the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, and the MMA.
[00:19:12] Yet, what could be the reason for a complete audit?
[00:19:16] We are appalled by the situation. Behind the Hungarikums are producers,
[00:19:20] artisans, restaurants, and accommodation providers.
[00:19:23] The revenue will create local jobs, and family farms
[00:19:26] will remain local, and we already see the numbers.
[00:19:30] This year, the number of tourists
[00:19:33] decreased by 7.3% compared to the previous year.
[00:19:37] And you are taking away this money precisely when tourism
[00:19:40] would need all the help it can get. The Hungarian
[00:19:43] countryside, the local preservers of traditions cannot be suspects.
[00:19:47] We understand that you currently need political products, where
[00:19:51] you seek culprits. But understand, with this,
[00:19:54] you cause irreparable damage to the nation's self-esteem.
[00:19:58] Before the elections, you spoke of national reunification.
[00:20:01] But now, now you are hurting precisely
[00:20:04] those small communities who, with superhuman
[00:20:07] effort, by emphasizing their unique values and distinctiveness,
[00:20:11] strengthen local attachment and local retention. The
[00:20:14] end result is nothing less than destruction instead
[00:20:17] of construction. Dear Minister, will the
[00:20:21] 375 winning applicants receive the grants already awarded
[00:20:24] to them? Will the program continue or will it be
[00:20:28] terminated? I await your esteemed
[00:20:30] reply.
[00:20:50] I would like to begin by stating that we have not become a country
[00:20:53] of shutdowns, but one of responsible spending,
[00:20:57] what you stated is not entirely correct in that form,
[00:21:01] as we did not stop the program, but reviewed it, and these two
[00:21:05] things are quite different. The
[00:21:08] review took place because we wanted to see
[00:21:11] exactly what payments were being made and for what
[00:21:14] purposes, and we notified all winners about the review
[00:21:18] of this program, so this process did not happen
[00:21:21] without the winners knowing that we had started
[00:21:25] the review, but we were in contact
[00:21:28] with them during the investigation as well.
[00:21:31] We actually consider it a national
[00:21:35] minimum that Hungarikums are needed,
[00:21:38] these are very important common core values
[00:21:42] and embody Hungarian identity, we do not question
[00:21:44] this, that was not the intention. The intention
[00:21:48] was, it was no accident that we observed
[00:21:52] that there were expenses that did not necessarily serve
[00:21:55] the purpose for which they
[00:21:58] were initiated, if we look at the various
[00:22:01] cultural expenditures from the recent past, I don't think I even need
[00:22:05] to explain what we are talking about,
[00:22:09] and here too there was a suspicious value increase back
[00:22:12] in April, which is why we thought that we could act
[00:22:15] responsibly by checking exactly what we are spending
[00:22:19] on in this program, but to answer your question,
[00:22:22] out of the 375 original winners,
[00:22:26] 366 indicated that they would implement
[00:22:29] the promised program, and they will receive
[00:22:33] the payment for this, which will be 1 billion 120
[00:22:36] million 985,237 forints.
[00:22:38] The signing of these
[00:22:42] contracts and their disbursement
[00:22:44] are in progress, the winners will receive them during October
[00:22:48] and November. And I ask for the acceptance of my answer. Thank you
[00:22:52] very much.
[00:22:53] I will ask Dr. Molnárné
[00:23:00] Lezsák Anna, Member of Parliament, if she accepts the answer.
[00:23:03] She has one minute to make her statement. Thank you.
[00:23:06] Dear Minister, I am glad that there is a national minimum
[00:23:10] on which we can agree, Hungarikums have
[00:23:13] an outstanding, important economic factor
[00:23:16] as well, while also strengthening
[00:23:19] the Hungarian national consciousness, we can truly
[00:23:22] agree on this, and I am also glad that all 360
[00:23:26] applicants will receive it, although we did not receive a specific
[00:23:29] deadline, only a distant one,
[00:23:33] that they will receive it by October, we hope that will be the case,
[00:23:36] therefore I can accept your answer, as I have
[00:23:39] received an answer to my question. Thank you
[00:23:41] very much.
[00:23:48] Esteemed National Assembly, the Representative has accepted the
[00:23:52] answer. Dr. János Hargitai, representative of the KDMP,
[00:23:55] submitted an interpellation to the Minister of Economic
[00:23:58] and Energy Affairs, titled "Complete chaos in fuel
[00:24:01] payments, don't you think a more comprehensive measure is needed?".
[00:24:04] Dr. János Hargitai, Representative, has the floor, for a three-minute
[00:24:08] time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. Speaker, esteemed
[00:24:11] National Assembly, esteemed Minister, I am sure
[00:24:15] that in the election campaign,
[00:24:17] one of the most firmly established figures
[00:24:20] was when the Prime Minister, now the Prime Minister,
[00:24:24] wanted to fix the price of petrol,
[00:24:27] and trumpeted this across the country. Since then,
[00:24:30] the price of petrol has risen by 155 forints,
[00:24:33] and the price of diesel by 230 forints. We have repeatedly
[00:24:37] urged you to continue the practice that
[00:24:41] we followed. Let's return to protected
[00:24:45] prices. These have so far
[00:24:47] not been our proposals.
[00:24:50] they swept them away. I am sure you agree with me that
[00:24:53] in the global economy today, there are no movements
[00:24:56] that would reassuringly settle this issue, that
[00:24:59] prices would calm down, or perhaps correct back
[00:25:03] to previous conditions.
[00:25:06] Therefore, I think that such
[00:25:09] temporary solutions, which you have been experimenting with so far, do not
[00:25:12] provide a solution for the Hungarian economy.
[00:25:16] You wanted to give 5000 HUF to a few.
[00:25:20] "vehicle owners who use diesel fuel, I say 'wanted to give' because
[00:25:24] even though I have a good opinion of the Hungarian public administration,
[00:25:28] it still failed to complete this
[00:25:31] task. I know not only from newspapers,
[00:25:34] but also from experience that the implementation of this
[00:25:38] provision is contradictory.
[00:25:41] Some have not yet received their
[00:25:45] due allowance. Some have received it, and even..." after three minutes
[00:25:48] they received another
[00:25:51] transfer, so they received two transfers. There are electric
[00:25:55] car owners who received a transfer, and I say there are those who are entitled to it, but haven't received it.
[00:25:59] I don't understand how this
[00:26:02] chaotic situation could have been created. My questions
[00:26:06] will therefore, among other things,
[00:26:08] to the handling of this situation.
[00:26:12] You are in contact with freight forwarders and the association
[00:26:16] of independent gas station owners. You are also striving,
[00:26:19] hopefully, to resolve
[00:26:23] their issues and complications.
[00:26:27] But even if you do so, we will attempt something in this regard tomorrow. I consider this
[00:26:30] to be insufficient, which is why the questions I listed at the end of the interpellation
[00:26:34] to you
[00:26:37] are practically interrelated. Firstly, the redress of the situation that has arisen
[00:26:41] is demanded from you. What are you doing
[00:26:45] to resolve this chaotic situation,
[00:26:49] regarding the payment of the 5000 HUF?
[00:26:52] How do you intend to resolve the issues of agricultural
[00:26:56] owners and freight forwarders? And finally, there is my essential question, because this is what I want to lead to:
[00:27:00] lényegi kérdésem, mert ide akarok kifutni, hogy... az eddigi
[00:27:03] after the procrastinating measures taken so far, don't you, Mr. Minister, finally feel the need
[00:27:07] to comprehensively address
[00:27:11] for
[00:27:13] your answer.
[00:27:18] I give the floor to Minister István Kapitány, with a time limit
[00:27:20] of four minutes. Esteemed Speaker, esteemed
[00:27:24] National Assembly, esteemed Member of Parliament, we have discussed this many times
[00:27:28] here in the house. I would like to reiterate
[00:27:31] that "the primary task of this
[00:27:34] government is to guarantee the security
[00:27:37] of supply. You are an expert, so I know you
[00:27:41] understand, they probably told you to ask this question now, or I don't know, there are
[00:27:45] legitimate parts in this, but
[00:27:48] 90% of it we have already discussed many times. The
[00:27:52] prices now look like this, that in Hungary, as you said,
[00:27:55] 640 and 707 HUF, in neighboring countries
[00:27:59] 664 and 725. If I understand
[00:28:02] you correctly, that we should go back to 595 and
[00:28:04] 615, as an expert you know this
[00:28:08] would mean that diesel imports
[00:28:11] would cease in Hungary, no one would be able to import diesel into this
[00:28:14] country, and I would also add, because the prepared
[00:28:18] energy expert on my left says to introduce
[00:28:21] this only for Hungarian citizens, well, I would add
[00:28:25] that we are talking about an EU member state, well, one, well
[00:28:28] two, this could only be done from protected reserves, the strategic reserve.
[00:28:34] As long as I am minister, we will not use strategic reserves
[00:28:37] for pricing, and we will not use them
[00:28:40] because it might not bother you, but
[00:28:43] it would bother me very much if Hungarian people could not
[00:28:47] refuel, just like in Russia, of course
[00:28:50] they could until now, obviously they could, 50 billion
[00:28:53] forints from taxpayers' money, to you I know this is nothing, to
[00:28:57] taxpayers 50 billion forints is a lot of money, and the 50
[00:29:01] billion forints. "that 50 billion HUF, that's a red
[00:29:04] victory, that means that you can finance this for a month
[00:29:08] from protected reserves, and then I'll give
[00:29:11] you advice, because you know so much about it, get Russian diesel,
[00:29:14] because they don't have it, get it from Hormuz, because it's not
[00:29:18] there either, and you would put Hungary in a situation that
[00:29:21] no responsible person could do, trying
[00:29:24] to finance a price level that is much
[00:29:28] higher than in neighboring countries. So my answer
[00:29:31] is, "are we introducing a protected price?" I hope
[00:29:34] you understand now, we will not introduce it, and this is why, because
[00:29:38] for us, the energy security of Hungarian people is
[00:29:41] paramount.
[00:29:43] As for the disbursement, as for the disbursement,
[00:29:47] I would say that obviously we are trying to do what
[00:29:50] you did not try to do, to try to give support
[00:29:54] to those who need it. It may not be 100%
[00:29:58] perfect, but you said that some diesel cars.
[00:30:02] we are giving support, well, for me, the 858,000
[00:30:06] people for whom on September 30th the Hungarian Post and the
[00:30:09] Hungarian State Treasury transferred this, that's not a few, that's not
[00:30:13] a few.
[00:30:17] You too, you too have operated things, it's pretty
[00:30:20] unfashionable in my opinion to talk about this, or that, or the other
[00:30:24] not succeeding, but I can assure you that the Hungarian state
[00:30:27] guarantees that everyone will receive
[00:30:30] their due 500... as there monthly, why
[00:30:34] is this important electric, why, why, why,
[00:30:37] of course, yes, well, this can be, this can be, but you would do
[00:30:41] that if it were up to you here
[00:30:44] gas station, because you are a huge expert in this activity
[00:30:48] too, right you, you understand
[00:30:50] this, the bingo and the diesel supply,
[00:30:54] you are the expert of these two, I
[00:30:56] would like to tell the Member of Parliament
[00:30:59] that the Treasury will transfer the diesel support
[00:31:03] to the bank account used during the payment of the 2026 vehicle tax.
[00:31:07] Anyone who
[00:31:10] acquired the eligible car after January 1st
[00:31:13] will receive the first two installments by October
[00:31:17] 30th. So this is an important point, I know it interests you
[00:31:20] because the professional aspect interests you too. We guarantee that
[00:31:24] they will receive it, so I can guarantee this on behalf of the Hungarian government
[00:31:28] that everyone who is entitled to receive this support will
[00:31:31] receive it, and keeping the interests of the Hungarian people in mind, we ensure the energy supply
[00:31:35] of the country, thank
[00:31:37] you very much.
[00:31:47] the answer for your statement. You have one minute.
[00:31:48] rendelkezér
[00:31:51] I saw and heard you being angry, I'm not used to that
[00:31:55] from you, although I understand that you are in a difficult situation regarding the handling
[00:31:58] of the matter. You tell me that 50
[00:32:02] billion is not a lot for me, I know it's a lot even for you, at such times
[00:32:06] we are used to hearing from our benches that
[00:32:09] since you have Shell shares, this situation is perfectly
[00:32:13] suitable for you. "I don't think so, I don't share this
[00:32:16] correlation, therefore I say that
[00:32:20] I merely regret that you always come up with
[00:32:23] late, small solutions, and this is not, and this harms
[00:32:27] the Hungarian economy. In your current statement, a finance minister spoke,
[00:32:30] but that portfolio has an owner, who oversees the budget,
[00:32:34] you should keep economic matters in mind and take measures
[00:32:37] that genuinely help
[00:32:41] the economy. What you are doing,
[00:32:44] "is not it, turn to the solution, I suggest
[00:32:48] again, what we not only experimented with, but also did meaningfully.
[00:32:51] I cannot accept your
[00:32:53] answer.
[00:32:59] Dr. János Hargitai, MP, did not accept the answer
[00:33:03] to the interpellation. I ask the National Assembly whether it accepts
[00:33:07] the answer. Please
[00:33:08] vote now."
[00:33:20] I announce the resolution.
[00:33:24] Yes, the Prime Minister indicated that his button was not working. What
[00:33:27] vote did he wish to cast? Yes, he answered
[00:33:30] yes. Then I announce the resolution. The
[00:33:33] National Assembly, with 118 votes
[00:33:36] in favor, 46 against,
[00:33:40] with no abstentions, accepted the answer
[00:33:43] to the interpellation. György Polgár, the representative
[00:33:47] of Tisza, submitted an interpellation to the Minister responsible for Social Relations
[00:33:50] and Culture, titled "Peace March leaflets and 100
[00:33:53] millions, campaign financing disguised as culture."
[00:33:56] The floor is given to MP György Polgár,
[00:34:00] with a three-minute time limit. Thank you, Speaker, thank you for the floor,
[00:34:04] Mr. Speaker, esteemed Secretary of State,
[00:34:08] in recent months we have heard a lot about the so-called NKA
[00:34:11] case, the authority is investigating more than 17 billion forints.
[00:34:16] um, in connection with which several arrests have been made
[00:34:20] in the past period. The primary task of this National Cultural Fund
[00:34:24] should have been to support Hungarian culture and communities
[00:34:27] with public money.
[00:34:30] Despite this, numerous circumstances and
[00:34:34] facts have come to light that raise serious
[00:34:37] questions regarding the use of these public funds.
[00:34:40] It is perhaps worth taking a moment to look at
[00:34:44] how this looked, for example, in the
[00:34:47] Pest 12th constituency that I represent.
[00:34:51] In my constituency, Monor was the settlement that
[00:34:54] received a disproportionately large amount of support
[00:34:57] from these funds. This means, more precisely,
[00:35:01] that five such
[00:35:04] civil organizations received a total of
[00:35:07] 100 million HUF in support from this cultural
[00:35:11] fund, which was not
[00:35:13] announced, and these civil organizations and
[00:35:16] foundations received exactly the amounts they applied
[00:35:20] for, in such a way. Why was
[00:35:23] this so centralized? I used this word because
[00:35:26] 16 out of 19
[00:35:29] settlements did not receive a single penny from these
[00:35:33] supports, and each of these five Monor civil organizations
[00:35:36] is closely linked to Fidesz
[00:35:39] parliamentary representatives and Fidesz local government representatives
[00:35:43] and officials.
[00:35:46] Based on the data available to us, specific electoral
[00:35:49] expenses also came
[00:35:53] to light. For example, in the correspondence related to the media workshop,
[00:35:56] at the request of the chairman of the Pest 12th constituency,
[00:35:59] the distribution of leaflets was ordered. The letter states exactly
[00:36:03] this, I quote. During the elections,
[00:36:06] we would like to deliver leaflets to every
[00:36:10] mailbox at least three to five
[00:36:13] times.
[00:36:27] The order also includes bus passenger transport,
[00:36:30] specifically Monor to Budapest and Monor, meaning
[00:36:33] a round trip route, where next to Budapest,
[00:36:37] in parentheses, it states Peace March.
[00:36:40] What I have just said is based
[00:36:43] data available to us. I would
[00:36:46] like to ask the Secretary of State
[00:36:50] where the investigation of this more than 17 billion forints
[00:36:54] involved NKA support case stands, how much has been repaid
[00:36:57] potentially, and I would also like to ask what
[00:37:01] measures we can expect from the government to ensure that
[00:37:04] other improperly used public funds are returned to the
[00:37:07] budget, and that in the future cultural
[00:37:10] supports genuinely serve the purpose
[00:37:13] for which the state provides them. Thank you
[00:37:16] in advance for your answer.
[00:37:22] I give the floor to Secretary of State Enikő Tompa, with a four-minute
[00:37:25] time limit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, esteemed House, esteemed
[00:37:29] colleague, the ad hoc college for key cultural programs
[00:37:33] established by former Minister Balázs Hankó decided on support of approximately
[00:37:36] 17 billion HUF between September 2025 and March
[00:37:39] 2026, without disclosing the decision-making
[00:37:43] processes, thereby violating the rules of transparency
[00:37:46] for public funds. According to the well-founded suspicion reported by the prosecutor's office,
[00:37:50] the NKA's assets were used
[00:37:53] in 179
[00:37:56] cases, totaling more than 17 billion forints.
[00:37:59] According to the suspicion, part of these amounts were used to cover the costs
[00:38:03] of the 2026 parliamentary election
[00:38:06] campaign, and for the personal purposes of the applicants.
[00:38:09] The prosecutor's suspicion also
[00:38:13] raises the question of whether the decisions on support were actually
[00:38:17] not made by the ad hoc college, but rather
[00:38:20] by Balázs Hankó himself. The NKA
[00:38:24] support data is now available to anyone
[00:38:28] on a single interactive map published by the Prime Minister's Office,
[00:38:31] so I encourage everyone to browse
[00:38:34] the data. The Tisza government's goal is that the use
[00:38:37] of public funds should be transparent and controllable for everyone,
[00:38:40] and that transparency should prevail in all areas
[00:38:44] of governance, including the cultural sphere.
[00:38:47] This approach brings significant novelty
[00:38:50] compared to what we experienced during the Fidesz-KDNP government's
[00:38:54] term. The prosecutor's investigation. Balázs Hankó was
[00:38:58] arrested and then detained on suspicion of criminal
[00:39:01] conspiracy causing particularly significant financial disadvantage and breach of trust.
[00:39:05] Indeed, many
[00:39:09] have already voluntarily repaid the support. To date, a total of 170
[00:39:12] private individuals and organizations have repaid more than 4 billion
[00:39:16] HUF. So only a quarter of the 17 billion so far. But I think these
[00:39:20] figures speak for themselves,
[00:39:24] and highlight better than anything the questionable
[00:39:27] operation of the application system. I hereby inform the National Assembly that
[00:39:31] following a full audit of the NKA, on September
[00:39:34] 9th, Minister Zoltán dismissed the ministerial delegates
[00:39:38] of the permanent colleges of the National Cultural Basic Program. The selection
[00:39:41] and appointment of new members was based on professional,
[00:39:45] not political, considerations, unlike previous practice.
[00:39:48] Their presence guarantees that the public trust in the NKA will finally
[00:39:52] be restored. Of course, this does not mean the end
[00:39:55] of the work. Our colleagues are continuously working to ensure that the
[00:39:59] basic program can operate in a new, transparent
[00:40:02] structure for everyone as soon as possible. The NKA has therefore regained
[00:40:06] its right to make decisions on the allocation of grant funds
[00:40:10] solely on a professional basis. We guarantee
[00:40:14] that, unlike Balázs Hankó, the minister will
[00:40:16] not decide on 97% of the funds,
[00:40:20] as previous practice showed, because we will also
[00:40:23] reduce the ministerial budget to a minimum amount.
[00:40:26] In Hungarian culture, a system change is also needed,
[00:40:30] and we have embarked on this path.
[00:40:32] Thank you
[00:40:40] very much. I ask MP György Polgár whether he accepts the answer. You have one minute
[00:40:43] to make your statement. Thank you very much for the
[00:40:47] renewed opportunity to speak. It is not
[00:40:50] a coincidence, and thank you very much for the
[00:40:53] summary. It is no coincidence that in the first week of October, I also filed a complaint
[00:40:57] in these matters, as such irregularities can be found
[00:41:01] in the publicly available and requested
[00:41:04] documents, which I believe led
[00:41:07] to this decision. Thank you very much for the tremendous work
[00:41:11] you are doing, as recovering public money and using it for the public good
[00:41:14] is in all our interests, and I am convinced that
[00:41:18] it is our duty as Members of Parliament to ensure this
[00:41:21] integrity, so thank you in advance
[00:41:25] for your continued work.
[00:41:40] National Assembly, we have come to the end of the debate
[00:41:43] on interpellations. It is now 5:41 PM,
[00:41:47] we will now proceed to the discussion of urgent
[00:41:50] questions.
[00:41:53] Esteemed National Assembly, Gábor Szűcs and András Palóc,
[00:41:56] Fidesz MPs, wish to ask an urgent question
[00:42:00] to the Prime Minister. Titled "Hungarian people would rather pay market prices".
[00:42:03] emberek inkább piaci árat fizetnének címmel. Tisztelt
[00:42:06] Dear colleagues, I would ask you to leave the session
[00:42:10] quietly.
[00:42:13] I give the floor to MP Gábor Szűcs, with a time limit
[00:42:17] of two minutes.
[00:42:20] Thank you for the floor, Mr. Speaker, esteemed House. Esteemed Prime Minister, you
[00:42:23] deceived the Hungarian people, and after the people were rightly
[00:42:27] outraged, you took offense at them.
[00:42:29] In Veszprém a few weeks ago, you said that you shouldn't have given support
[00:42:33] to the people, to motorists, because there was no demand for it,
[00:42:36] as Hungarians, according to you, would rather pay market
[00:42:39] prices. Prime Minister, do you know what Hungarian people would demand?
[00:42:43] A protected price, about which you, on April
[00:42:46] 16th, after negotiations with Moll's top executives, literally
[00:42:49] said this: "We agreed to maintain the protected price for both diesel and petrol
[00:42:53] even after the new government is formed." And what
[00:42:57] happened on June 24th, two months later? They withdrew the protected
[00:43:00] price. You lied, and instead of apologizing, you arrogantly
[00:43:04] said that motorists would rather pay market prices.
[00:43:07] And... and the government's arrogance didn't stop
[00:43:11] there, it was able to communicate as a success that they would double the
[00:43:15] tax of KATA earners. This affects not only 13,800
[00:43:18] KATA earners, but everyone who goes to a hairdresser, nail technician,
[00:43:21] travels by taxi, or is renovating their house. These jobs,
[00:43:25] after all, are mostly done by KATA entrepreneurs. And if
[00:43:28] the tax increases, the price of services will also rise. You always
[00:43:32] refer to what is in your program. I looked, but I didn't find any tax increase
[00:43:35] anywhere in the Tisza program, let alone its doubling. However, it
[00:43:38] does state that... "in our country, small entrepreneurs, small entrepreneurs
[00:43:42] pay a lot of tax, more than in other countries, a 100% tax increase
[00:43:46] is an excellent solution for this, congratulations, no one's burden
[00:43:49] will increase, neither that of employees nor entrepreneurs," you said this,
[00:43:53] Mr. Prime Minister, last October on ATV, and now it has increased
[00:43:56] from 50 to 10,000 HUF, and what did you say a month earlier
[00:43:59] there, "every Hungarian person's tax will decrease," so
[00:44:02] you don't even consider KATA earners as people anymore? Answer here and now,
[00:44:06] Mr. Prime Minister, not to me, but to the voters, will you bring back
[00:44:10] the protected price, will there be an official price of 480 HUF, as
[00:44:13] demanded, will you keep the current 5000 HUF KATA, or
[00:44:16] double it, or perhaps admit that you lied to the Hungarian
[00:44:19] people? In your answer, do not forget the Prime Minister's words: personal attacks
[00:44:23] appear when professional arguments run out. Thank
[00:44:26] you very much.
[00:44:33] I give the floor to Prime Minister Péter Magyar, with a time limit
[00:44:36] of two minutes. Thank you for the floor, Mr. Speaker, well
[00:44:39] then... "the facts, although this doesn't usually bother a megaphone
[00:44:42] propagandist, the average price of petrol
[00:44:46] in 2022, do you remember when he was still promoting it with the megaphone and got paid by a ministry,
[00:44:49] but did no work.
[00:44:52] It was 775 HUF, the average price of petrol
[00:44:55] in 2022 under the Orbán government, diesel was 8
[00:44:59] 500, 851 HUF under your government. Currently, the average
[00:45:03] price of petrol in Hungary is 642 HUF, and diesel
[00:45:06] is 709. Let me help you, you don't need to calculate it in writing."
[00:45:10] 642 is less than 775 HUF under the
[00:45:13] Fidesz government, 709 HUF is
[00:45:16] less than 851 HUF. You
[00:45:19] lied in the campaign that petrol would be
[00:45:22] 1000 HUF in Hungary, it didn't happen, you couldn't achieve it even under your
[00:45:26] government, and now we are very, very far from
[00:45:29] that. I can tell you
[00:45:33] that
[00:45:36] you also asked if the Tisza government had managed to adapt to the crisis?
[00:45:40] Well, if it had been up to you, then no, because you
[00:45:43] increased Hungary's national debt
[00:45:46] from 19,000 billion HUF in 2010 to
[00:45:50] 9,600 billion HUF by 2026.
[00:45:52] Esteemed Member of Parliament,
[00:45:56] what we can achieve, and what we undertook, is that
[00:45:58] in Central Europe petrol and diesel will be the cheapest,
[00:46:02] and we are upholding this. How will
[00:46:05] it be, how will
[00:46:08] supply security be, that every gas station will have
[00:46:11] fuel. You forgot, esteemed Member of Parliament, to inform your
[00:46:14] voters, if there are still any, but I don't think they forgot,
[00:46:18] in 2022, when you received your salary from both the megaphone and the ministry,
[00:46:22] then 500 gas stations had no fuel,
[00:46:26] there was no fuel for weeks, because nothing
[00:46:28] mattered to you, and I repeat, under your government, for months, or if
[00:46:32] we add it up, for years, the price of petrol and
[00:46:36] diesel was higher than now. You
[00:46:40] received 1.3 million HUF per month
[00:46:43] without actual work, and 1.6 million
[00:46:46] HUF in the last two months in a ministry, public money
[00:46:50] without doing any work, without a single document
[00:46:53] having your name on it. I will answer about KATA in my reply, thank
[00:46:57] you very much.
[00:47:02] I give the floor to MP Gábor Szűcs for his rebuttal, with a time limit
[00:47:05] of one minute. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Prime Minister, you said let's look at the facts, but
[00:47:09] it was just, it was just a lie, now I'm talking, it was just a lie,
[00:47:13] in 2022 on the megaphone, my page started in '25, what
[00:47:16] 22, what are you lying about, Prime Minister, what
[00:47:19] are you lying about? The fact that I did not work in the Ministry,
[00:47:23] just because I am not in the Posoidon system is very little, Prime Minister, very
[00:47:27] little, and you know what, he returned to the end, that you are a representative, at the beginning you were a megaphone
[00:47:30] propagandist, let me ask, the RTLS colleague should also calm down,
[00:47:34] so Prime Minister, what can I call you? Volán Prime Minister,
[00:47:37] student loan Prime Minister, let's not go back to these,
[00:47:40] okay, let's not go back to these, but I see that you didn't, you didn't
[00:47:44] understand the question, what you said, that you would maintain
[00:47:48] the protected price, two months later, now I'm talking, two months later, why did you withdraw
[00:47:52] it,
[00:48:02] double, you double the KATA tax, any, you
[00:48:06] once spoke of Gergely Gulyás's mathematical knowledge, what kind of knowledge do you have,
[00:48:09] don't you think this is
[00:48:10] double?
[00:48:18] The Prime Minister is entitled to a rebuttal within one
[00:48:20] minute.
[00:48:23] you know, you abolished most of the KATA tax
[00:48:26] in such a way that the remaining 1300
[00:48:29] people, your accomplices, yes, your partners in crime,
[00:48:32] 13,000 people have no
[00:48:35] pension, no social security benefits,
[00:48:39] no maternity benefits, so if someone
[00:48:42] in a micro-enterprise falls ill, someone expects
[00:48:46] the joys of motherhood, someone reaches retirement age,
[00:48:49] then thanks to your ruined, shattered... system,
[00:48:53] these more than 10,000 people, because that's how many we are talking about, not
[00:48:57] receives a pension, does not receive healthcare, and does not receive
[00:49:00] maternity benefits. This is not a tax increase, but unlike
[00:49:04] you, we provide this to the people, and they will remain
[00:49:08] in it, no matter how much they struggle, no matter how much they
[00:49:11] whine, they will remain in it, and more than 10,000 people will
[00:49:15] switch, thanks to this change. We promised
[00:49:18] and we deliver, we deliver that, for example...
[00:49:23] they can also pay taxes, which you abolished, that for example, one can be a self-employed small business owner while studying at university, for example,
[00:49:27] one can be a self-employed small business owner alongside a pension. Next year, the
[00:49:30] truth will come out, that instead of the current 13,000, more than
[00:49:33] 2,000 will choose this taxation, then let's come back to whether this was a tax increase
[00:49:37] or not. Thank you
[00:49:38] homosexuality,
[00:49:46] Esteemed National Assembly, Dr. Juhász Hajnalka and Bence Rétvári, representatives
[00:49:49] of the KDNP, wish to ask an immediate question
[00:49:53] to the Prime Minister, titled "Whose interests does he serve, Brussels or Budapest?" The floor is given to
[00:49:56] Dr. Johánsz Hajnalka, within a two-minute
[00:50:00] time limit. Mr. Speaker, thank you very much for the floor, and I would like to
[00:50:03] apologize to Speaker Ágnes Fostos for sometimes
[00:50:07] getting carried away. I hold her in high regard, so I apologize
[00:50:10] if I got into a personal argument
[00:50:13] with the Prime Minister, but now I have the opportunity to ask if you are brave enough,
[00:50:16] Mr. Prime Minister, regarding my next point.
[00:50:20] "when the child protection referendum
[00:50:23] took place, more than 3.6 million people
[00:50:26] voted that they do not want gender in this
[00:50:30] country, more than the entire population. When the
[00:50:32] child protection law was submitted, I am sorry,
[00:50:36] I hope those watching see that the Prime Minister
[00:50:39] is laughing with Minister Balint Ruff on such a serious issue when
[00:50:43] it is about taking away the rights of parents, thank you
[00:50:46] if you let me speak, Mr. Prime Minister and Mr. Minister."
[00:50:49] "Mr. Prime Minister, if you are brave
[00:50:52] enough, then separate this
[00:50:55] bill. The issue of babies
[00:50:58] left in hospitals is extremely important
[00:51:01] to all of us, we will support it. We will support
[00:51:04] all child protection-related legislation,
[00:51:08] but when you smuggle in the promotion
[00:51:11] of homosexuality, the taking away of parents' rights
[00:51:14] to have exclusive rights
[00:51:18] regarding the upbringing of children. It's interesting,
[00:51:20] Mr. Prime Minister, when.
[00:51:27] then he's as quiet as a mouse, he only dares to shout here, right? So if you're brave enough, be
[00:51:30] brave, then justify why you don't separate
[00:51:34] the law? Brussels' interests matter, right?
[00:51:37] Pro-gender, because of Mrs. Lanner, the Minister of Education,
[00:51:40] pro-abortion, then confess, now is the
[00:51:44] opportunity, this is the historical moment, if children are truly
[00:51:47] important to you, then separate the law, Mr. Minister, it hurts
[00:51:51] what I'm asking, but... "now you have to answer this, if you are brave
[00:51:54] enough, because you are speaking in sync with me, I'm just saying, Mr. Prime Minister,
[00:51:58] what is the reason for this being in one law,
[00:52:02] why did you put it in, why did you, why?"
[00:52:06] "If you're brave, then separate it, leave it
[00:52:09] in."
[00:52:15] I give the floor to Prime Minister Péter Magyar, for two minutes.
[00:52:18] Sir, I appreciate that you endured this without listening,
[00:52:22] there on the podium. The representative
[00:52:25] lady says that Hungarian people voted in the referendum that they don't want
[00:52:29] gender. Well, let's start with the basics. Gender means
[00:52:33] sex, so what do they not want? Then people don't want sexes, they don't
[00:52:36] want, they don't want, so let's start there, I think, let's start
[00:52:40] small. You are talking about where do you
[00:52:44] read the word homosexual in this law? Let's read
[00:52:48] it together. He's deceiving his own non-existent voters again. It's not
[00:52:51] in this law, please, if anyone reads it,
[00:52:55] especially the six and a half big paragraphs, I don't know if he did, it's not long, it's about this long,
[00:52:59] for 10 years, he didn't visit needed. Nothing else
[00:53:02] is included, only the strengthening of child protection, for example against
[00:53:06] hate-mongering advertisements, against
[00:53:09] online harassment, against online advertisements, all forms of violence,
[00:53:13] sexual violence, not just homosexual, imagine heterosexual, or
[00:53:16] genderfluid violence, if you,
[00:53:19] despite being Christian Democrats, coming from church, do not
[00:53:22] vote for this child protection law, do not
[00:53:25] vote for the improvement of the situation
[00:53:29] of babies left in hospitals, that is a judgment on you.
[00:53:32] You started your speech by saying that you support everything
[00:53:35] that serves the interests of children, for example, the improvement of the situation
[00:53:39] of babies left in hospitals. Where were you in recent years?
[00:53:43] You were sitting right here, I think exactly where you are now, for four years,
[00:53:46] for eight years, what did you do for these children? Why was it that
[00:53:50] under the Orbán government, for years, hundreds of babies
[00:53:54] were in hospitals until they were six months old, one year old, one and a half years old,
[00:53:57] and not in a loving family, or even with a
[00:54:01] single parent? Why do you want, why do you want
[00:54:05] "children to grow up without love, in hospital beds,
[00:54:08] why are you talking about gender? And since we are talking about courage, let me finish,
[00:54:12] if the President allows me, that just now I could only report
[00:54:16] that the Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, adopted the
[00:54:19] education law, which allows Hungarian minorities,
[00:54:23] children, students, to use their language, and since then,
[00:54:26] your main enemy, the created enemy, President Volodymyr
[00:54:29] Zelensky has also signed the law, which will come into force tomorrow, not because of you,
[00:54:33] but because of those who..." wanted to help. Thank you very much,
[00:54:36] courage,
[00:54:44] I give the floor to Dr. Juhász Hajnalka for a one-minute
[00:54:47] response. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, be careful with high balls in foreign policy,
[00:54:51] surely you don't seriously think that anyone believes that
[00:54:55] your request mattered in Brussels, that you are a factor, well,
[00:54:58] Ukraine did it because of the EU accession to be able to close chapters,
[00:55:02] let's just say it. Who do you want to lie to? This is in Ukraine's
[00:55:06] explicit interest to become an EU member state as soon as possible
[00:55:09] in the accelerated accession.
[00:55:13] Sooner or later, they would have had to do it anyway. And you are selling that product
[00:55:16] that you really have nothing to do with. And gender. This
[00:55:20] is where we should return. You are removing those
[00:55:23] protection guarantees, which were exclusively the right of parents,
[00:55:27] please read the law, Mr. Prime Minister. Please read it, because it seems
[00:55:31] you were the one of the two who didn't read it. And then.
[00:55:45] The Prime Minister is entitled to a reply, within a one-minute
[00:55:47] time limit. Please, this is
[00:55:50] absolutely outrageous. So what's going on with Ukraine
[00:55:54] is important to you, but you don't care at all about what's going on with the Transcarpathian
[00:55:57] Hungarians. You talk about products, you talk about Brussels,
[00:56:01] you talk about someone betraying the interests of Hungarians, while you did nothing
[00:56:05] for 10 years. I repeat, your Prime Minister didn't even dare
[00:56:08] to set foot in Transcarpathia
[00:56:12] the Hungarians, the Hungarians, if he had
[00:56:15] ever spoken, if he had ever spoken,
[00:56:18] Representative, I am here. If he had ever spoken
[00:56:21] to the Hungarians living there, every Hungarian asked that
[00:56:25] coincidence that this is one of the most significant Budapest railway
[00:56:29] law amendment proposals, so that Hungarian children can study
[00:56:32] in Hungarian, sing the anthem. "So that Hungarian teachers
[00:56:36] can teach in Hungarian schools. We did that. In three weeks
[00:56:39] we went, we negotiated. I visited
[00:56:42] Ukraine, I visited Transcarpathia. I did not meet you, and especially not the former Hungarian
[00:56:46] Prime Minister. So much for courage. The Hungarians abroad mean nothing
[00:56:50] to you either, only your own political
[00:56:53] interests and your non-existent voters. And as for gender,
[00:56:57] once again, if you commit the disgrace of not
[00:57:00] voting for this amendment, then the babies
[00:57:04] left in the hospital will have more..."
[00:57:17] Esteemed National Assembly, Előd Novák, the representative of Mi Hazánk, wishes to ask an immediate
[00:57:21] question to the Prime Minister. Will the possibility of obtaining a diploma
[00:57:24] in under two years be introduced, or will this opportunity remain only for the representative
[00:57:27] of Tisza? The floor is given to Mr. Előd Novák, within a two-minute
[00:57:31] time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President, Esteemed Prime Minister,
[00:57:35] Ernő Csatári, notorious for his scandals, the
[00:57:38] Tisza parliamentary representative,
[00:57:41] lied about having a university degree in his
[00:57:45] CV published on parlament.hu. In his Tisza-headed
[00:57:48] CV, it was not even subtly revealed that this was
[00:57:52] merely a desire on his part, as he lacks
[00:57:55] the language exam required for a diploma, any language exam, and in reality,
[00:57:59] he only started his studies last year, although he claims
[00:58:02] to finish them this academic year, which raises another question:
[00:58:06] how? He doesn't have any diploma yet, so it's theoretically
[00:58:09] impossible to get a diploma in an undergraduate
[00:58:13] program in two years. His tinsmith qualification
[00:58:16] in communication and media studies cannot theoretically
[00:58:19] be credited. So how? The Tisza
[00:58:23] representative did not answer this question. In a similar
[00:58:26] case, Ildikó Bangóné Borbély, the MSZP Member of Parliament,
[00:58:29] had to leave public life. Her party
[00:58:33] even expelled her. True, Lajos Kósa, however, could lie
[00:58:36] with impunity about having a university degree on the Parliament's
[00:58:39] website. Although he did not take a state exam, he also has no
[00:58:43] language exam. Ernő Csatári's parliamentary work in the past five
[00:58:46] months was almost nil, he did not sponsor a single law
[00:58:50] or resolution proposal, not even as a co-signer, nor did he submit any amendment
[00:58:54] proposals, he did not even speak once a month. Mi Hazánk
[00:58:57] called on Ernő Csatári to resign his
[00:59:00] mandate, however, after being exposed, he simply quietly
[00:59:03] had his CV replaced on the Parliament's
[00:59:06] website. If an employee obtains a job with such a trick,
[00:59:10] then after being exposed, he can hardly remain
[00:59:13] in his position. Why are there no consequences in Parliament, Mr. Prime Minister?
[00:59:16] Among Ernő Csatári's numerous scandals, it was revealed
[00:59:19] even before the elections that the prosecutor's office had launched an investigation
[00:59:23] into his case for budget fraud causing significant financial disadvantage.
[00:59:26] Since his election as a representative,
[00:59:29] he has been protected by parliamentary immunity. So why are there no
[00:59:33] consequences at Tisza even if one of their Members of Parliament
[00:59:36] misleads voters by lying about having a university
[00:59:39] degree? I await your substantial answer, Mr. Prime Minister.
[00:59:42] úr.
[00:59:44] I give the floor to Prime Minister Péter Magyar, for a two-minute
[00:59:47] time limit. Scattered applause, so - starting
[00:59:51] from you, Mr. Representative, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if a representative
[00:59:54] speaks less often than once a month. I support
[00:59:57] lifelong learning, especially because of your
[01:00:00] party leader and faction leader.
[01:00:03] He still has a chance, despite his very busy parliamentary
[01:00:07] hours, to even enroll in a higher education
[01:00:11] institution, although he said he is so busy
[01:00:14] that he cannot do such a thing. I
[01:00:18] appreciate that Ernő Csatári, and I think many here in the faction,
[01:00:21] as adults, as heads of families,
[01:00:25] or as breadwinners, or as mothers,
[01:00:27] obtain their first, second, or third
[01:00:31] degrees, or indeed vocational qualifications. I encourage
[01:00:34] every Hungarian to take advantage of the opportunity
[01:00:38] for lifelong learning. You are naturally not telling the truth, as
[01:00:41] perhaps Ernő Csatári ticked a wrong box, but he has said countless
[01:00:45] times, and you know this exactly, on his Facebook page and
[01:00:49] other platforms, that he is currently pursuing his
[01:00:52] higher education studies and does not have a diploma, not that it
[01:00:56] would be a shame for your party leader either, it is not his biggest
[01:00:59] shame that he does not have a higher education qualification. And I think
[01:01:03] it is better for all of us if foreign language skills are not mentioned
[01:01:06] by the Mi Hazánk faction, or indeed the Mészáros Lőrinc faction.
[01:01:10] Since you addressed me, I would also ask you what
[01:01:13] prevented you from allowing Viktor Orbán to be heard
[01:01:17] in that parliamentary investigative committee, perhaps
[01:01:20] regarding the relationship with the pedophile monster János Vásárhelyi,
[01:01:23] you know, the friend of Alexandra Szentkirályi? He can
[01:01:27] still do it, but if the President is missing, he's currently
[01:01:30] at the buffet. Mr. Toroczkai, I would tell him not to be
[01:01:34] a coward now that the former chief prosecutor of the Central Investigation
[01:01:37] Prosecutor's Office, Pál Fürcht, has volunteered
[01:01:40] to be heard, then decide today
[01:01:44] and summon the investigative committee
[01:01:47] investigating execution abuses, if the President
[01:01:50] is not brave enough, with or without a diploma,
[01:01:54] then he should resign his presidential post. Thank you
[01:01:57] very much.
[01:02:04] I give the floor to Mr. Előd Novák for a one-minute reply. Mr. Minister,
[01:02:08] although it is typical of you, this evasion is still
[01:02:10] astonishing. The fact that I voted the same way as your
[01:02:13] representatives did in the various investigative committees...
[01:02:19] deputy, and I said that we should summon Viktor Orbán if someone
[01:02:23] dares to testify that he is responsible for this. Even you did not
[01:02:26] dare to give this testimony under the threat of false accusation.
[01:02:30] So in this case, I can support
[01:02:33] the summoning of Viktor Orbán as well. I said this during the vote
[01:02:36] as well. However, it is unacceptable that you
[01:02:40] want to stage a political play out of an investigative
[01:02:43] committee, where substantial work should be done, for example, to uncover
[01:02:47] those still secret clemency cases, which unfortunately
[01:02:51] you voted against, because you are not willing to investigate them. But you did not even answer
[01:02:54] the title of my question, whether the possibility of obtaining a diploma
[01:02:59] it remain an opportunity only for the representative of Tisza? He did not fill out
[01:03:02] a box incorrectly, but falsely stated
[01:03:06] a university degree for himself in his textual CV.
[01:03:09] The question is whether Ernő Csatári lied to you about his qualifications,
[01:03:13] or did he only mislead the voters? Please at least answer
[01:03:17] this, since we can see there are no
[01:03:19] consequences for this.
[01:03:22] The Prime Minister is entitled to a reply, within a one-minute time limit.
[01:03:26] Well, this won't increase GDP, and the country won't be better off either, so it's good if we finish
[01:03:30] this performance soon. He checked what your qualification is, now that he's talking about
[01:03:34] higher education, I think he's a graduate communicator, or something
[01:03:37] like that is written under his name. He got this
[01:03:41] fantastic diploma in 2019. I think that includes not
[01:03:44] lying. Okay, so you know exactly, I repeat,
[01:03:48] Ernő Csatári has said and written many times
[01:03:51] that his higher education studies are currently
[01:03:55] in progress. I don't know what a graduate communicator, who allegedly
[01:03:58] completed his higher education studies and even
[01:04:02] received a diploma, a very valuable one, doesn't understand about this. He has said
[01:04:05] in several places, orally, written, that his higher
[01:04:09] education studies are in progress. But I would use this
[01:04:12] 10 seconds, in case Attila Tibor Nagy, independent analyst, also
[01:04:16] in the Fidesz box, is happy about this,
[01:04:19] I would like to ask again to invite Pál Fürcht, former
[01:04:23] chief prosecutor, and have him heard in the execution
[01:04:26] scandal in the Rogán Sándor Wölner case, or
[01:04:29] if they are cowards, then let them resign the presidential post. Thank
[01:04:32] you very much.
[01:04:41] representative of Tisza, wishes to ask an immediate question to the Minister of Transport and
[01:04:44] Investment, titled "How can taxpayers' money be protected with such a legacy?"
[01:04:48] Due to the Minister's absence, State Secretary
[01:04:52] Zsolt Tárkányi was authorized to answer. I ask the representative
[01:04:55] if he accepts the person of the answerer.
[01:05:00] Then the floor is given to the representative.
[01:05:04] Esteemed State Secretary, the Southern Railway Ring is one of the country's
[01:05:07] most important and busiest railway
[01:05:10] sections. Its development, increasing railway capacity, and creating
[01:05:14] new stops are essential for creating modern
[01:05:18] transportation. It is no
[01:05:21] investments of recent years,
[01:05:25] which has particularly great significance for South Buda
[01:05:28] as well. Increasing railway capacity, "the creation of new
[01:05:32] stops and a more frequent, more reliable suburban transport can significantly
[01:05:35] improve the daily lives of those living in the region and contribute
[01:05:39] to reducing the traffic burden on Budapest. The Southern
[01:05:43] Railway Ring must therefore be built. However, the findings of the European
[01:05:46] Court of Auditors and information released in the press
[01:05:49] raise serious questions about the integrity
[01:05:52] of the public procurement for the investment.
[01:05:54] According to suspicions, the state may have suffered a loss of tens
[01:05:58] of billions of forints under previous governments. According to reports,
[01:06:02] due to the interconnections between the Contour Group and Véhid,
[01:06:05] as well as the information providing a competitive advantage
[01:06:09] transferred during the public procurement, Hungary faces the risk
[01:06:13] of losing significant 360 billion forints in EU support. The
[01:06:15] government has already announced the termination of the construction
[01:06:19] contract and the re-issuance of a new public
[01:06:22] procurement. However, this only provides a real solution if,
[01:06:25] in addition to investigating irregularities, the continuation of the investment
[01:06:29] is also ensured. And the development
[01:06:32] is realized in fair competition, protecting taxpayers' money.
[01:06:35] Tisza has made it clear from the outset that it has zero tolerance
[01:06:39] for corruption. However, the protection of public funds and the implementation
[01:06:42] of transport developments are not mutually
[01:06:46] exclusive goals; both must be enforced. Esteemed
[01:06:49] State Secretary, please answer the following
[01:06:52] questions. What measures is the government taking to protect EU
[01:06:56] funds and to account for and recover
[01:07:00] advance payments already made? What is the deadline for re-issuing
[01:07:03] the public procurement, and what guarantees will ensure competition,
[01:07:06] transparency, and the exclusion of conflicts
[01:07:09] of interest? Under what conditions and from what financing will the
[01:07:13] investment continue, and when is the completion of the Southern Railway Ring development
[01:07:16] expected? I await
[01:07:18] your answer.
[01:07:23] I give the floor to State Secretary Zsolt Tárkányi, within a two-minute
[01:07:26] time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President, Esteemed
[01:07:30] Representative, indeed, the Southern Railway Ring, as Minister
[01:07:34] Vitézy also said many times, is one of the most important railway
[01:07:37] investments of the last decades, perhaps even the last 100 years. It will expand that
[01:07:41] bottleneck which, in Budapest's current
[01:07:45] railway traffic, is why a larger number
[01:07:49] of passenger trains, direct passenger trains cannot be operated
[01:07:52] between Eastern and Western Hungary. So the development of the railway,
[01:07:56] the completion of this investment, is important, but not at any cost. Currently,
[01:07:59] the most important thing is not to lose European Union
[01:08:03] funds, which would have meant enriching Fidesz corruption,
[01:08:06] Lőrinc Mészáros and his associates.
[01:08:09] The most important thing was to terminate
[01:08:12] this contract with VJhíd, the government terminates
[01:08:16] this contract with VJhíd, because, as you also said, the European
[01:08:19] Court of Auditors found such serious irregularities,
[01:08:23] and already reported this in January to the government
[01:08:26] led by Viktor Orbán, which make it impossible to complete
[01:08:29] and continue this investment from EU funds.
[01:08:33] Currently, this extremely important investment is about 40%
[01:08:36] complete. This decision was therefore necessary due to Fidesz
[01:08:40] corruption. "The railway development must therefore be concluded
[01:08:43] fairly. Therefore, after settling the 57 billion Forint
[01:08:46] advance payment still held by VJhíd, we must wait for them to leave
[01:08:50] the area, then a new fair public procurement
[01:08:54] procedure, a new tender, must be issued, and after that,
[01:08:57] it must be conducted fairly, adhering to EU and Hungarian
[01:09:01] regulations. First, a public procurement, and then the construction
[01:09:04] must also be completed properly, and then
[01:09:08] that significant amount that the representative also mentioned
[01:09:11] for the completion of this railway development, this investment,
[01:09:15] can be saved.
[01:09:18] By the way, out of 403 work items,
[01:09:23] 5-6 decimal places of the confidential engineering
[01:09:26] price
[01:09:31] - well, he guessed the numbers right for two-thirds of it,
[01:09:34] so there's nothing like that in the world, once again, they clearly colluded
[01:09:38] with the design office in the same building, and then
[01:09:41] after they won.
[01:09:55] I give the floor to Representative Krisztián Kulcsár for a one-minute
[01:09:59] reply. Thank you very, very much, State Secretary. I'm rooting for you. I would like to
[01:10:02] emphasize one thing: the voters will be interested in tangible
[01:10:06] results, and I ask that we meet
[01:10:10] the expectations for the Southern Railway Ring to be completed,
[01:10:14] to protect public funds and EU resources,
[01:10:17] and to take responsibility for irregularities,
[01:10:21] where warranted. Thank you.
[01:10:23] Reply
[01:10:28] given to State Secretary Zsolt Tárkányi, within a one-minute time limit.
[01:10:32] Thank you very much. What is important to emphasize is that if we continued this investment
[01:10:36] under the current framework, then Hungary would lose hundreds of billions of forints,
[01:10:39] and would probably face further procedures
[01:10:42] that would hinder this project. We cannot
[01:10:45] allow this, which is why it was necessary to immediately
[01:10:48] terminate this contract, and to exclude Véhid from all
[01:10:52] Hungarian tenders so that the 57 billion forints still with them
[01:10:55] can be returned to the Hungarian budget, and can be used
[01:10:58] for similar developments, or for the further costs of this investment.
[01:11:02] The re-launch of the new public procurement and construction
[01:11:05] will obviously be time-consuming, but this simply
[01:11:09] had to be weighed, and acted upon in the public interest.
[01:11:12] Because currently, this public procurement scheme only served the interests
[01:11:16] of Fidesz oligarchs and frontmen, against the public interest.
[01:11:19] While restoring the rule of law, the enforcement of the public interest
[01:11:23] is our most important goal, and precisely one
[01:11:26] of its stations is the re-conduct and proper conduct
[01:11:30] of this contract and tender in the future. Thank
[01:11:33] you very much.
[01:11:38] Esteemed National Assembly, Balázs Hídvégi, Fidesz representative, wishes to ask an immediate question.
[01:11:42] to the Prime Minister, titled "Who commands the prosecutor's office, Mr. Prime Minister?"
[01:11:45] Hídvégi Mr. Balázs, Mr. Balázs Hídvégi
[01:11:49] is given the floor for a two-minute time limit. Thank you,
[01:11:53] Mr. President, honorable Prime Minister, it's been five
[01:11:56] months since you came to power, and after such a short time, we've reached a point where the Chief
[01:12:00] Prosecutor's Office has issued a special statement reminding
[01:12:03] you that it is independent
[01:12:06] from the government, and the Prime Minister cannot instruct the Prosecutor's Office
[01:12:10] in its work. This is a kind of record, but the situation is that
[01:12:14] you, in Facebook comments and other statements,
[01:12:17] rudely and directly want to
[01:12:20] tell the Prosecutor's Office what to do, whom to interrogate,
[01:12:23] what decisions to make, and so on. And if they don't
[01:12:26] do it as you expect, then you talk about protecting
[01:12:30] mafiosi, aiding and abetting, and
[01:12:33] so on, all without final judgments. I would like to
[01:12:36] emphasize that if an investigation starts, then it is an
[01:12:39] investigation, and the presumption of innocence means that... "no one can
[01:12:43] be called guilty before a final
[01:12:45] judgment, and you especially cannot
[01:12:49] do this. You set a bad example.
[01:12:52] Meanwhile, your "cleansing fire" action has started, which is a
[01:12:55] political circus. This is all part of it, where former state
[01:12:59] leaders or even secretarial
[01:13:02] employees, subordinates, are paraded around
[01:13:04] in handcuffs, on a leash,
[01:13:07] I ask the Member of Parliament whether he accepts Obviously,
[01:13:11] this procedure is unjustified, and it is humiliating.
[01:13:15] So much so that the Hungarian Helsinki Committee, which is hard to accuse
[01:13:18] of being Fidesz-friendly, has also already reminded us that
[01:13:22] these... unjustified measures, handcuffing,
[01:13:25] even detention, are not compatible
[01:13:29] with the rule of law, which you allegedly want to strengthen.
[01:13:32] But there's more. One of the defense lawyers, Gábor Papp, complained
[01:13:36] that he was being monitored and they reported whom he met, and even
[01:13:39] what clothes he wore. And in this matter, the Budapest
[01:13:43] Bar Association has also protested. These are serious
[01:13:46] violations of the
[01:13:49] rule of law. How can one expect
[01:13:53] an objective procedure from the Prosecutor's Office if you interfere
[01:13:56] in their work in such a direct way? Thank you very much for
[01:13:59] your answer.
[01:14:04] I give the floor to Prime Minister Péter Magyar for a two-minute
[01:14:06] time limit. Thank you very much, Mr. President, I will take this opportunity,
[01:14:10] I saw that when I carelessly left the hall, you
[01:14:13] spoke up and claimed that one of our
[01:14:17] commitments regarding pharmaceuticals with a drug tariff number had not
[01:14:21] become VAT-exempt. I will help you, I will help, Mr. President.
[01:14:32] In a normal democracy, and currently we live in one, at least I hope
[01:14:36] so, that's what we're working for together with you, I don't think anyone gives orders to the
[01:14:39] Prosecutor's Office. This wasn't always the case, of course,
[01:14:43] it's not us who list, for example, prosecutors, it's not us who list
[01:14:46] investigators, police officers. Your boss, the fallen mafia
[01:14:50] boss, told you to do it, and you list them. This doesn't happen anywhere
[01:14:54] in Europe, but... I don't think anywhere in the developed world, that a
[01:14:57] political party, whether in opposition or in government, puts investigators
[01:15:01] and police officers on its website, and is even proud of it. Even your own puppet,
[01:15:05] Péter Falvi Attila, data protection ombudsman, or commissioner,
[01:15:08] said that what you are doing is illegal, just as it was illegal
[01:15:11] when the data of 2000 people were stolen from the
[01:15:15] application through some crime, and then people were
[01:15:18] listed, they were threatened. Under your watch, for example, the
[01:15:22] president of the Curia threatened judges. You threatened
[01:15:26] civilians, yes, you did it, so it's quite strange for you to demand this,
[01:15:29] especially the independence of the Prosecutor's Office, since the former head of the Prosecutor's Office,
[01:15:33] for decades, or for many decades, was a Fidesz
[01:15:37] Member of Parliament. And the connection with the Prosecutor's Office,
[01:15:40] as I said last time, was maintained by the great fisherman János Áder
[01:15:44] between the Fidesz party presidency and the Prosecutor's Office. So
[01:15:48] it's quite strange to hear these criticisms
[01:15:52] from you. I don't instruct the Prosecutor's Office. "No one
[01:15:55] instructs it, don't demand it from me, I didn't even know exactly if you're demanding it from me or
[01:15:59] from the Prosecutor's Office, who is being led on a leash, or just
[01:16:02] wearing a mask, a civilian, or a
[01:16:05] civil servant, or even a former politician. We don't decide this, and you
[01:16:08] know that well. There are examples of this, and there are examples of that. If he
[01:16:12] resents that someone, who is accused of stealing
[01:16:16] 17 billion forints of public money, illegal
[01:16:19] party financing, campaign financing, and what's more, this
[01:16:22] is committed in a criminal organization, if I resent
[01:16:25] that this person is being led on a leash, or
[01:16:29] is guarded by more than two police officers, then make a complaint to the Prosecutor's Office,
[01:16:32] but not to me. Thank you very
[01:16:36] I give the floor to Member of Parliament Balázs Hidvégi for a one-minute
[01:16:40] time limit. Mr. Prime Minister, you did not answer
[01:16:43] the question. I am not the one, and we are not the ones who threaten the
[01:16:46] prosecutors. You are the one who does this continuously in Facebook
[01:16:49] posts. That is why the Chief Prosecutor's Office has already protested in a
[01:16:52] statement. That is why the others protested. And how is it that there are good
[01:16:56] prosecutors and bad prosecutors? So, for example, let's look at your example, because you discretely
[01:17:00] skipped over it earlier in the debate. So if you are thrown out of a
[01:17:03] nightclub drunk, with stained pants, after you took someone's
[01:17:07] phone and threw it into the Danube, if a
[01:17:10] prosecutor classifies this as vandalism, then he is a good
[01:17:13] prosecutor. But if it's theft, or even robbery, then
[01:17:17] he is a bad prosecutor. Then this changes. Or then, if
[01:17:20] he sends you an SMS in the evening, asking in what capacity you want to testify,
[01:17:24] then again... like a good prosecutor. So how is this? Obey the laws and
[01:17:27] stay away from the Chief Prosecutor's Office and prosecutorial work. This is an
[01:17:31] independent body, it has nothing to do with you. It is not your job to
[01:17:34] press charges, and it is not your job to pass judgment. Thank you
[01:17:38] very much.
[01:17:41] The Prime Minister has the right of reply for a one-minute time limit. What you are
[01:17:45] doing is quite funny. So, is the prosecution independent or not? You just demanded why they are being led
[01:17:48] on a leash, why commandos are leading them. So I think you should decide
[01:17:52] this. You have sunk quite low, because the fact that a... "lying propaganda,
[01:17:56] public money-wasting propagandist, what he claims about that evening, that you are making fun
[01:17:59] of my pants, I don't know since when, you also know exactly,
[01:18:03] everyone has already explained to you, every expert, that this is a normal type of pants
[01:18:06] with wrinkles." "You, as a father, as a representative, are obsessing over this at such a
[01:18:10] low level as this VAT-fraud watermelon grower behind
[01:18:13] you. It's quite, quite pathetic that this matters
[01:18:16] to you. There will be many strange things in this investigative document,
[01:18:20] I am not afraid. My first call, when the prosecution called, I went in,
[01:18:24] I was not afraid to resign or ask the faction to suspend
[01:18:27] my immunity. You protected Simon Miklós for
[01:18:31] 14 years, for 14 years, you did not revoke
[01:18:35] his immunity, in serious corruption crimes. If it were up to you,
[01:18:38] there would be no proceedings against him even now, but luckily it wasn't up to you, but to the Hungarian
[01:18:41] voters. I asked for it to be suspended immediately, I went in at the first call,
[01:18:45] they put such a large dossier in front of me, and believe me, it will all
[01:18:49] be made public, and it will be terribly unpleasant for you. Thank you
[01:18:52] very much.
[01:18:58] Honourable Parliament, Bence Rétvári, Member of Parliament for the KDNP, wishes to ask
[01:19:02] an immediate question to the Minister of Education and Children's Affairs,
[01:19:05] titled "From Insult to Insult".
[01:19:07] Due to the Minister's absence, State Secretary Balázs Kaproncai
[01:19:11] was authorized to answer.
[01:19:15] the person giving the answer, or whether he requests the answer personally from the Minister of Education and
[01:19:18] Children's Affairs.
[01:19:21] Member of Parliament Bence Rétvári did not accept the person giving
[01:19:24] the answer. Therefore, I inform the Parliament that the
[01:19:27] Minister must answer in the next session of immediate
[01:19:30] questions. Now, the
[01:19:33] KDNP faction wishes to ask the next
[01:19:37] question. The Member of Parliament is next. Honourable
[01:19:40] Parliament. Lőrinc Nacsa, Member of Parliament for the KDNP,
[01:19:44] wishes to ask an immediate question to the Minister for Social Relations and
[01:19:47] Culture,
[01:19:50] on students?". Due to the Minister's absence,
[01:19:53] State Secretary Enikő Tompa was authorized to answer.
[01:19:56] I ask Member of Parliament Lőrinc Nacsa whether he accepts the person giving the answer.
[01:20:00] Yes, he indicates that he accepts. So, Member of Parliament Lőrinc Nacsa
[01:20:04] has the floor for a two-minute time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President.
[01:20:07] Honorable Parliament, as it is a national policy issue, let me start by saying that I also
[01:20:11] welcome the decision of the Ukrainian Parliament to adopt the law on minority
[01:20:14] national education, and President Zelensky has already signed
[01:20:18] it. I think it is an important step forward. Now we just need to ensure that
[01:20:21] they also adhere to that law and their other commitments, because then
[01:20:25] the Hungarians in Transcarpathia will get back their full
[01:20:27] rights. I requested the floor on another national policy issue,
[01:20:31] and I would like to ask a question, honorable State Secretary. There is
[01:20:34] a very successful program, which I have often heard from
[01:20:38] government officials, representatives, that this is an important and good program. This
[01:20:41] "Határtalanul" (Without Borders) program was created so that
[01:20:45] students, 7th grade students studying in Hungary,
[01:20:48] can visit Hungarian-inhabited regions abroad within the framework of
[01:20:51] government-supported class trips. This strengthens national cohesion at the
[01:20:55] student level, at the youth level. In total, more than 600
[01:20:58] thousand students have already been able to visit Hungarian-inhabited
[01:21:02] regions abroad, many of whom might have
[01:21:06] never been to, say, Harghita County, the heart of Transylvania, or the castles
[01:21:09] of Upper Hungary, or even Vojvodina, Southern Hungary, and
[01:21:12] this opportunity was available to them. It is good that
[01:21:15] the Tisza government, albeit with a few months' delay, has announced this tender,
[01:21:19] but it is not good at all that compared to last year's, the year before last's, the year before that's
[01:21:22] more than 9 billion, 9.8 billion forint
[01:21:26] budget, now only a 2 billion forint tender
[01:21:29] budget has been announced. Last academic year, last academic year,
[01:21:33] 5200 students were able to travel from this budget. "If the
[01:21:36] support budget has been reduced to one-fifth,
[01:21:40] then this means that now only 11 thousand something students will
[01:21:44] have this opportunity. I ask the esteemed State Secretary
[01:21:47] what is the reason that the budget of the "Határtalanul" program, a successful and important
[01:21:51] national policy program, has been reduced to one-fifth.
[01:21:55] students? I await your honorable reply. Thank you
[01:21:58] very much.
[01:22:03] I give the floor to State Secretary Enikő Tompa, for a two-minute
[01:22:06] time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President, Honourable House, Honourable
[01:22:10] Member of Parliament, I can only confirm the Minister's previous
[01:22:14] answer to your interpellation that we support
[01:22:18] every program, both within and beyond our borders, that strengthens our shared
[01:22:21] national identity. There is no disagreement between us that support
[01:22:25] and initiatives enabling class trips abroad for schoolchildren
[01:22:28] are indeed important. They convey
[01:22:30] the sense of belonging and the experience of their homeland to young
[01:22:34] people and children. So I can reassure you that this
[01:22:37] support scheme will remain in the government's Hungarian policy
[01:22:41] portfolio in the future as well. Up to this point,
[01:22:44] there is complete agreement between us, dear fellow Member of Parliament. But as for
[01:22:48] how and in what form we should do this,
[01:22:51] we think completely differently. Your government
[01:22:54] operated the support systems created in the name of noble goals
[01:22:57] opaquely, irregularly, and in countless cases as a clearinghouse
[01:23:00] for its party political objectives, in the form of a multitude
[01:23:03] of individual applications, and this is what is
[01:23:07] unacceptable to us. In connection with the "Határtalanul" program, users
[01:23:11] also reported numerous problems, such as overpricing
[01:23:14] in the area of travel agencies and accommodation providers. We would like
[01:23:18] to investigate this and the entire program's effectiveness and usefulness
[01:23:22] before we pour billions of forints into this application
[01:23:25] system. According to our data, out of the 9
[01:23:29] billion spent on the "Határtalanul" program, almost 1 billion was pocketed
[01:23:32] by various tour operators, and this did not reach the students. So,
[01:23:36] 10% of it was overpriced.
[01:23:39] This is why it was necessary to scrutinize the "Határtalanul" program, similar to many other
[01:23:43] application schemes operated by the previous government.
[01:23:46] Following a review of the program's operation to date,
[01:23:50] this year's call for applications has been prepared. Detailed
[01:23:53] conditions for the support opportunity and how to apply can be found in the
[01:23:56] call for applications published on October 6th.
[01:23:59] The available budget aligns with the current
[01:24:03] year's budgetary possibilities and the implementation of the planned
[01:24:06] program. So, similar to the practice
[01:24:09] of previous years, this is the first part of the program
[01:24:13] announcement. Thank you
[01:24:14] very much.
[01:24:20] I give the floor to Member of Parliament Lőrinc Nacsa for a one-minute reply.
[01:24:23] State Secretary, your answer, and what we agreed on, is not that in previous years the entire
[01:24:27] academic year's call for applications was announced at once, not in two parts. You can check,
[01:24:31] you can look up the 2025-26, 23-24,
[01:24:35] and how much it is not overpriced, or if it is overpriced, it is clear
[01:24:38] from the fact that the mileage fee, the amounts that can be spent on accommodation,
[01:24:42] these have not been changed by you either, the same frameworks are available as before.
[01:24:46] On our proposal, I fought for example, for the profit of a travel
[01:24:50] agency to be maximized, so that it doesn't take more
[01:24:53] from the class trips, because the experience was that if there are no travel agencies, then unfortunately a
[01:24:56] teacher from Szombathely, Győr, Debrecen does not have the local
[01:25:00] knowledge of where to go in Szeklerland, what program to do. It would be
[01:25:03] best if this money, it would be best if teachers could organize
[01:25:07] the travel, which is why we introduced
[01:25:10] this money if they organize it, but unfortunately many do not have the local
[01:25:14] knowledge, local expertise to know where to go, what programs to do
[01:25:17] locally. I just ask that you don't
[01:25:21] 5000 children, only 1000 children get to visit Hungarian-inhabited
[01:25:25] areas abroad and gain a lifelong national sense of belonging
[01:25:29] and community experience. Thank you
[01:25:30] very much.
[01:25:34] State Secretary Enikő Tompa is entitled to a one-minute
[01:25:37] reply. Honorable fellow Member of Parliament, after the experiences
[01:25:41] and the approval of next year's budget, the second
[01:25:44] phase of the program can be announced. I reassure you about this,
[01:25:47] and I also draw your attention to the fact that there are many other important directions and
[01:25:51] opportunities for developing Hungarian relations today. Every
[01:25:55] government has the right, opportunity, and responsibility to reshape
[01:25:58] its operation based on new government priorities. Not to mention
[01:26:02] that currently we can only manage with what you handed over to us
[01:26:05] along with the keys to the treasury, and regarding the future, with what
[01:26:09] remained in this treasury after your long-term irresponsible commitments.
[01:26:13] Despite this, we continue to work so that Hungarian
[01:26:16] students can gain lifelong experiences and get to know Hungarian communities
[01:26:20] abroad. Thank you very much.
[01:26:23] szépen.
[01:26:29] Honorable Parliament, Dóra Dúró, Member of Parliament for Mi Hazánk, wishes to ask an
[01:26:32] immediate question to the Minister of Education and Children's Affairs. What
[01:26:36] proves that the use of artificial intelligence in schools is
[01:26:39] safe and effective? Due to the Minister's
[01:26:41] absence, State Secretary Balázs Kaproncai was authorized to answer.
[01:26:45] I ask the Honorable Member of Parliament whether she accepts the person giving the answer.
[01:26:49] Yes. Dúró. The Honorable Member of Parliament has the floor, so for a two-minute
[01:26:52] time limit. Thank you for the floor, Mr. President, Honorable State Secretary.
[01:26:56] Digital tools destroy children's mental
[01:26:59] health. There is a scientific consensus on this, now even at an international
[01:27:03] level. The UNESCO 2023 report
[01:27:06] concluded that there is no practical
[01:27:10] evidence of the learning benefits of educational
[01:27:13] technologies. Martin Stranski, a world-renowned
[01:27:16] brain researcher, gave an interview to 24.hu
[01:27:19] this week, and in it, he directly stated that
[01:27:22] artificial intelligence deteriorates children's
[01:27:26] thinking abilities within months. According to
[01:27:30] OECD data from 2022, approximately 30%
[01:27:34] of students perform significantly worse in mathematics,
[01:27:37] natural sciences, and their reading comprehension also
[01:27:41] declines significantly due to the attention-destroying and
[01:27:44] distracting effect of digital tools. Jared Coony
[01:27:47] Horvat, neuroscientist and
[01:27:50] education researcher, presented aggregated data from 80
[01:27:54] countries at a US Senate hearing in January this year,
[01:27:57] showing that the widespread introduction of digital
[01:28:01] technology in schools coincided with a decline in
[01:28:05] learning performance. In 80 countries, there was a uniform
[01:28:09] decline, and it is particularly shocking that even digital
[01:28:13] competencies themselves became worse,
[01:28:16] while the rate of using digital tools in school
[01:28:20] lessons almost doubled over time.
[01:28:23] Based on this, I ask the State Secretary
[01:28:27] what research you base your assertion
[01:28:30] on that artificial intelligence-based tools
[01:28:34] actually improve children's knowledge, reading comprehension,
[01:28:37] attention, and independent thinking, and
[01:28:40] do you commit, honorable State Secretary, to only introducing
[01:28:43] tools and programs in education whose benefits are
[01:28:47] confirmed by independent and repeated research?
[01:28:50] I await your substantial
[01:28:52] reply.
[01:28:56] I give the floor to State Secretary Balázs Kaproncai for a two-minute
[01:29:00] time limit. Honorable Mr. President, Honorable House,
[01:29:04] Honorable Member of Parliament, thank you very much for your constructive and
[01:29:07] forward-thinking question on this topic. We have been
[01:29:11] working very hard and with very good experts
[01:29:13] on this issue at the Ministry
[01:29:16] to develop a more constructive and better concept
[01:29:20] for the future in this regard.
[01:29:23] In the case of AI, it is otherwise
[01:29:27] crucial how, why, and with what purpose a teacher
[01:29:31] uses it.
[01:29:33] The measure of its effectiveness, by the way,
[01:29:37] is whether it helps to understand the curriculum,
[01:29:40] and to develop their knowledge and abilities
[01:29:44] while they are using
[01:29:47] it. To assess this, we need to examine
[01:29:50] learning outcomes and experiences gained during
[01:29:54] use. Yes, children's age and
[01:29:58] preparedness are also obviously different. What might be
[01:30:01] a risk for a younger child
[01:30:03] can be used responsibly by older
[01:30:07] students with appropriate critical thinking. Below a certain
[01:30:11] age, there is no need for students to
[01:30:14] use artificial intelligence. The reason
[01:30:17] for this is not the inherent
[01:30:21] danger of AI itself, but rather that the basic
[01:30:25] competencies required for its use have not yet been developed.
[01:30:28] AI itself is not a single, uniform tool. Different
[01:30:32] systems are suitable for different tasks, with varying
[01:30:35] limitations and risks. Therefore,
[01:30:38] we must always evaluate the specific tool, the students'
[01:30:41] preparedness, and the pedagogical
[01:30:44] context together. By the way, the Ministry's
[01:30:47] AI strategy will soon
[01:30:50] be published by the Ministry of Education, which will provide
[01:30:53] guidance on what tools and at what age
[01:30:56] can be used for what purposes and under what
[01:30:59] conditions in education. By the way,
[01:31:03] Members of Parliament will also have the opportunity to participate
[01:31:06] in the social consultation on the strategy.
[01:31:10] Thank you
[01:31:11] very much.
[01:31:17] I give the floor to Member of Parliament Dóra Dúró for a one-minute
[01:31:21] reply. Thank you, Mr. President. Honorable State Secretary, I am doing exactly
[01:31:24] that, participating in this debate, and you have not been
[01:31:28] able to name a single research that
[01:31:31] you base your point on. I have mentioned
[01:31:35] international research, from the OECD to UNESCO,
[01:31:38] those results that show that the use of
[01:31:42] digital tools in education, paradoxically,
[01:31:45] we would think that it improves children's
[01:31:48] performance, but data from 80 countries show
[01:31:51] that it actually worsens it. The more a child
[01:31:55] screens in school for educational purposes,
[01:31:57] the worse their results are, for example, in
[01:32:01] mathematics. In the PISA assessment, they perform 12 points
[01:32:04] worse, for example, those who use digital
[01:32:08] tools more in education, for school purposes, for learning
[01:32:11] purposes. These are the international results, and you, in the newly published
[01:32:15] basic kindergarten program, dedicate a separate chapter
[01:32:18] to how to introduce digital tools into kindergartens,
[01:32:22] while international recommendations seek to postpone
[01:32:26] the use of digital tools to a later
[01:32:29] date in childhood. Why are you going against
[01:32:33] this, State Secretary? And I ask again, do you
[01:32:37] commit to only introducing tools that
[01:32:40] are supported by these independent and international
[01:32:43] research studies to truly serve
[01:32:47] the best interests of
[01:32:49] children?
[01:32:54] State Secretary Balázs Kaproncai is entitled to a reply.
[01:32:57] Ms. Member of Parliament, the Ministry is naturally fully aware
[01:33:01] of the risks
[01:33:07] in this matter, and just as in other educational matters, there
[01:33:11] cannot be a single black-and-white answer
[01:33:14] applicable to every situation. Our goal
[01:33:19] environment for teachers that is usable in
[01:33:22] everyday life, and which will support
[01:33:25] the development of students' basic competencies.
[01:33:28] támogatók a tanulók alapkompetenciájának a fej
[01:33:37] We must ensure that students not only passively avoid
[01:33:42] dangerous AI, but are also able to
[01:33:46] evaluate it critically and use it
[01:33:49] responsibly. And that, according to their age
[01:33:52] and preparedness, they are able to recognize the possibilities
[01:33:56] and limitations of AI, and critically evaluate
[01:33:59] its responses, and use these tools consciously and
[01:34:03] responsibly. Thank you very much.
[01:34:05] szépen.
[01:34:11] Honorable Parliament. Dr.
[01:34:15] wishes to ask the Minister of Finance how
[01:34:18] it can be ensured that the independence of the monetary policy
[01:34:21] of the MNB is not undermined with the title,
[01:34:24] I give the floor to the honorable representative. Honorable Speaker, Honorable
[01:34:28] National Assembly, Honorable Minister, the central question of the
[01:34:31] bill concerning the National Bank of Hungary, which is before the National Assembly,
[01:34:35] is the modernization of the central bank's control
[01:34:38] and supervisory structure. The Supervisory Board
[01:34:42] receives special attention.
[01:34:45] its transformation and the clarification of its control
[01:34:48] functions. We are aware that the
[01:34:51] European Central Bank and international partners are closely monitoring
[01:34:55] the legal framework of central bank independence.
[01:34:58] Therefore, it is of utmost importance that the
[01:35:01] legislator's intent and the precision of the normative text
[01:35:05] unequivocally separate the ownership
[01:35:08] and control functions from the
[01:35:12] MNB's primary task, as enshrined
[01:35:15] in the Basic Law, which is to achieve price stability
[01:35:18] and shape monetary policy.
[01:35:22] The public government justification and the statements made
[01:35:25] at Friday's government briefing have already set out
[01:35:28] the main cornerstones. The purpose of the legislation
[01:35:31] is to restructure the supervisory
[01:35:33] board,
[01:35:37] which serves financial transparency and responsible management,
[01:35:41] while monetary decision-making
[01:35:45] remains entirely within the competence of the Monetary Council.
[01:35:48] The submission to the European Central Bank and the opinion
[01:35:52] procedure also guarantee
[01:35:55] that the proposal complies with the highest
[01:35:58] EU and international legal standards.
[01:36:00] However, beyond the conceptual frameworks
[01:36:04] published by the government so far, it is crucial for legal
[01:36:07] practitioners and markets to understand
[01:36:10] the specific guarantees.
[01:36:14] Therefore, I ask the Minister
[01:36:17] what specific statutory guarantees
[01:36:20] ensure that the transformation of the MNB's
[01:36:23] Supervisory Board and the expansion
[01:36:27] of its control powers do not in any
[01:36:30] way or in any field undermine the independence of the Monetary Council
[01:36:34] and the MNB in shaping monetary policy.
[01:36:38] I kindly request the Minister to provide
[01:36:42] more detailed information on the proposed guarantees
[01:36:45] sent to the ECB. Thank you
[01:36:48] for the floor.
[01:36:53] I give the floor to Minister of Finance András Kármán for two minutes.
[01:36:55] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Esteemed House, esteemed
[01:36:59] Representative. Indeed,
[01:37:02] the bill to be discussed by the esteemed House tomorrow
[01:37:06] serves the purpose, for the known
[01:37:09] reasons,
[01:37:11] of strengthening the control
[01:37:15] powers of the National Assembly and
[01:37:18] the Supervisory Board regarding the use of public funds
[01:37:21] and financial management of the Hungarian
[01:37:24] National Bank, and also
[01:37:27] extending to the National Bank's
[01:37:31] subsidiaries. However, in response
[01:37:34] to your question, I can confirm that the bill
[01:37:38] aims to achieve this in such a way that the independence
[01:37:41] of the central bank,
[01:37:44] while fully respected,
[01:37:47] remains intact. Firstly,
[01:37:50] the amendment explicitly states that the
[01:37:53] control of the Supervisory Board
[01:37:56] extends only to the central bank's
[01:37:59] management and cannot affect the MNB's
[01:38:02] fundamental central bank functions, such as monetary policy or financial
[01:38:06] supervision. Secondly, the proposal
[01:38:10] does not interfere with the competence of the Monetary
[01:38:13] Council, regarding interest rates and price stability. The Monetary Council continues
[01:38:16] to make decisions exclusively. Thirdly,
[01:38:19] the new reinforced internal control, which the bill
[01:38:23] proposes, exclusively examines the management
[01:38:26] of public funds. Control related
[01:38:30] to monetary policy remains under the board of directors.
[01:38:33] The law therefore sharply separates
[01:38:36] the two organizationally.
[01:38:38] In summary,
[01:38:40] what has changed does not affect central bank
[01:38:44] independence. The draft has been sent
[01:38:48] to the European Central Bank for its opinion,
[01:38:51] and we will await their opinion before
[01:38:54] adopting the law. The proposal complies with the highest EU
[01:38:57] and international legal standards, because we do not want to circumvent
[01:39:01] the rules of independence, but to uphold and strengthen
[01:39:04] them. Thank you for your
[01:39:05] attention.
[01:39:11] For a reply, I give the floor to Dr. Zsolt Bóka, Member of Parliament, for one minute.
[01:39:15] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Dear Minister, thank you for your
[01:39:19] answer. It is reassuring to hear that the government is firmly
[01:39:22] committed to preserving the independence of the central bank,
[01:39:25] and that the draft is being discussed
[01:39:28] with the European Central Bank along these principles. As I
[01:39:32] indicated in my question, for the stability of financial markets
[01:39:35] and international confidence, it is crucial that the expansion
[01:39:39] of the Supervisory Board's powers does not
[01:39:42] in practice give rise to interpretive disputes
[01:39:45] or provide an opportunity to influence monetary decision-making.
[01:39:49] In my view, this guarantee lies
[01:39:52] in the precise wording of the normative text.
[01:39:56] Thank you.
[01:40:03] Minister of Finance András Kármán is entitled to a reply
[01:40:06] within a one-minute time limit. Honorable Representative, thank you for your
[01:40:10] remarks, which make it clear to everyone that the government
[01:40:14] of Tisza unequivocally stands by the principle
[01:40:18] of central bank independence, while also
[01:40:21] pointing out that the previous government for 16 years conflated
[01:40:24] monetary policy and the protection
[01:40:27] of public funds. We are now separating the two,
[01:40:31] preserving the independence of monetary policy,
[01:40:34] but strengthening the accountability
[01:40:37] of central bank
[01:40:38] management.
[01:40:41] We are therefore clearly separating these tasks,
[01:40:44] and the strengthened control exclusively examines the management
[01:40:48] of public funds. Professional independence, professional
[01:40:51] work remains independent. Thank
[01:40:53] you for your attention.
[01:41:00] Esteemed National Assembly, we have reached the end
[01:41:04] of the hour for immediate questions and answers. I inform
[01:41:07] my esteemed fellow members that Péter Magyar has applied
[01:41:10] for a two-minute contribution or a point
[01:41:13] of order. Mr. Prime Minister, there is no possibility
[01:41:17] for a two-minute speech during the hour for immediate questions,
[01:41:21] however, for a point of order, within a two-minute time limit,
[01:41:24] the floor is yours, Mr. Prime Minister. Thank you very much.
[01:41:28] Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, I am sorry, then next time, I tried, I don't usually
[01:41:31] stay this long, but I see that it's a good mood, even this late, so
[01:41:35] I will try to create the opportunity for this, there
[01:41:39] was a reason I asked for the floor, Mr. Chairman, I will explain,
[01:41:43] we had a very important commitment, we had many important commitments
[01:41:46] in our program, and I see that it's time
[01:41:49] to implement this, I notice, Mr. Chairman,
[01:41:53] that, and I think my faction colleagues also see,
[01:41:56] that Pócsán. is in increasingly worse condition, we had a proposal
[01:42:00] to introduce unannounced alcohol
[01:42:03] and drug tests in parliament, I hope you agree,
[01:42:09] the Tisza faction to submit a proposal
[01:42:12] to amend the rules of procedure, to amend the parliamentary
[01:42:15] law, there are such things in other
[01:42:18] parliaments as well, I think it's time, because
[01:42:22] then it would become clear why János Pócs is in such a bad condition, I
[01:42:26] propose that we finally have compulsory, but unannounced,
[01:42:29] alcohol and drug tests in the Hungarian parliament as well. Thank you very
[01:42:33] much.
[01:42:43] I inform the Prime Minister that this does not constitute
[01:42:46] a point of order, at most it can be interpreted
[01:42:49] as a legislative initiative, but this is in no way
[01:42:53] applicable to today's session. At the same time,
[01:42:56] I inform my fellow members that there are still
[01:42:59] applicants for personal involvement, so first
[01:43:03] I give the floor to Representative
[01:43:05] Novák. Thank you for the floor, Mr.
[01:43:09] Chairman. Péter Magyar tried to
[01:43:12] insult me and question the seriousness
[01:43:15] of my diploma. However, I would like to reject this
[01:43:18] on behalf of the Pázmány Péter Catholic University, because
[01:43:22] one can only obtain a diploma there after serious studies and exams.
[01:43:26] This was the case for me as well. In contrast to the Tisza representative,
[01:43:29] who, in his CV, in the false CV uploaded
[01:43:32] to the parliament's website, lied about having a university
[01:43:36] degree, and the Prime Minister did not object to this
[01:43:39] at all, moreover, he tried
[01:43:42] to portray me as a liar by saying that Tisza representative
[01:43:46] Ernő Csatári essentially refuted this by writing on Facebook
[01:43:49] that he was going to university. Well, let's be clear, on Facebook,
[01:43:53] the fact that he once posted that he's at university, I don't know how many diplomas
[01:43:57] the readers might think he has, but he certainly didn't write that he doesn't have
[01:44:01] a higher education degree. On the other hand,
[01:44:04] in his CV, which is a much more important document than a Facebook comment or a Facebook post,
[01:44:07] he explicitly wrote that he had a university degree. I give the floor to Representative
[01:44:45] to speak, also on a matter of personal
[01:44:49] concern. Mr. Speaker, I am very sorry that the Prime Minister
[01:44:53] is such a coward that he says A but doesn't wait for B.
[01:44:56] I would like to tell him that I am ready for any
[01:45:00] drug test, alcohol test, immediately with him,
[01:45:04] I will go without him too, but let him be brave, come with me,
[01:45:07] for a drug test, an alcohol test, anytime. Furthermore,
[01:45:11] he said that I am a VAT-fraudster
[01:45:14] Dinyés. The last time he said that Secretary of State
[01:45:18] Ferenc Halmai knows a lot about my
[01:45:21] crimes. So now I would like to tell
[01:45:24] Ferenc Harmi, if they know that
[01:45:27] any crime is linked to my name, then Ferenc Halmai,
[01:45:31] as police chief, committed aiding and abetting.
[01:45:34] Either they both apologize, or I will
[01:45:37] sue both of them through civil
[01:45:40] proceedings. Furthermore, the Prime Minister explained that I was
[01:45:44] talking to the Fidesz psychologist
[01:45:46] in the gallery when I was talking to him, but he
[01:45:50] didn't want to shout from the gallery. He asked me to convey
[01:45:53] to the Prime Minister that if he releases him from confidentiality,
[01:45:56] he will gladly tell him how many times he was
[01:46:00] with him and why. So, let's start with that, Prime Minister.
[01:46:03] Thank you.
[01:46:10] Esteemed National Assembly, we will now continue
[01:46:13] our work with debates.
[01:46:14] Next
[01:46:24] on the agenda is the debate on the report of the Legislative
[01:46:27] Committee and the amendment proposal submitted
[01:46:30] to the law on healthcare,
[01:46:34] Act 154 of 1997,
[01:46:37] and the law on professional chambers
[01:46:41] operating in healthcare, Act 97
[01:46:44] of 2006, which was returned
[01:46:47] by the President of the Republic for reconsideration
[01:46:51] and adopted by the National Assembly
[01:46:54] on September 22, 2026. The text of the law
[01:46:57] sent to the President of the Republic
[01:47:00] for signature is available under number T/668/9,
[01:47:03] and the President of the Republic's
[01:47:05] letter is available under number T/668/10
[01:47:08] on the parliamentary IT network.
[01:47:11] National Assembly, in the debate,
[01:47:15] first the position of the Legislative Committee
[01:47:18] will be presented, for which I give the floor
[01:47:22] to Dr. Zitá Bilisic, the committee's rapporteur,
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