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[00:00:00] we can also support strengthening the director general's
[00:00:03] role and
[00:00:06] powers,
[00:00:08] but shouldn't we have waited for the new system to be set up before dismissing
[00:00:12] staff, and then staff could be
[00:00:14] selected - who should continue working
[00:00:18] and who should leave, so that it
[00:00:20] aligns with the new administrative
[00:00:23] tasks, the fact that several tens,
[00:00:27] so now we heard that if I remember correctly, more than six" people's
[00:00:30] dismissal was mentioned by the Secretary of State,
[00:00:34] that they were dismissed, this could even be a list,
[00:00:37] but, because the office, the
[00:00:40] organization, has to
[00:00:43] welcome, and not because here follow tasks, now in your submitted bill, within the
[00:00:47] chamber, the chamber structure, the
[00:00:49] administrative organization's tasks change, the
[00:00:53] staff needs to adapt
[00:00:56] to the changed tasks, so actually I think
[00:01:00] that the staff reduction that you have now announced as a success
[00:01:03] is not, it is not
[00:01:06] necessarily a success or a result. And then
[00:01:10] let's move on to the proposals
[00:01:13] that are included in the submitted bill.
[00:01:16] is not enough. This And allow me to highlight the
[00:01:19] issue of self-governance first, because
[00:01:23] associations, but
[00:01:26] public bodies. So their structure is
[00:01:29] completely different, their powers are completely different, I could
[00:01:33] even say, and the professional literature refers to public
[00:01:36] bodies as essentially personal-based
[00:01:40] self-governments, while settlements, or municipal
[00:01:43] self-governments, are territorial-based
[00:01:45] that the operation self-governments, and personal-based
[00:01:48] self-governance exists, and this is the
[00:01:51] administration of certain public tasks
[00:01:54] by their own organization, by their own authorization,
[00:01:58] in a manner elected
[00:02:00] by the members. This
[00:02:02] is what public body status
[00:02:04] is, and I think, we Christian Democrats
[00:02:07] believe that in this issue, in self-governance,
[00:02:11] the submitted bill
[00:02:15] makes a huge hole, because it would still
[00:02:18] be supportable if the number of members of the
[00:02:21] assembly decreased from 304 to 200,
[00:02:24] one could even say that they are streamlining
[00:02:28] the organization. But the fact that only 60
[00:02:32] of these 200 members will be elected,
[00:02:35] and 140 will be
[00:02:38] delegated by professional organizations operating
[00:02:41] in the agricultural economy, who knows how,
[00:02:45] this means that the number of elected members
[00:02:48] will decrease to less than 50%.
[00:02:52] Well, however I look at it, dear colleagues,
[00:02:55] from the front, from the back, from below, or from above, this
[00:02:58] self-governance is... seriously undermined,
[00:03:02] why, why don't they regulate it
[00:03:06] so that organizations operating in the agricultural
[00:03:09] economy can also nominate candidates, and they also
[00:03:12] compete, even on a separate
[00:03:15] branch, but I would warn everyone against
[00:03:19] delegated representatives appearing in such a way at
[00:03:22] all, moreover, becoming the majority, in our opinion,
[00:03:26] this is a mistaken
[00:03:30] direction, it violates the principle of self-governance
[00:03:34] as well, and there is another aspect, dear
[00:03:37] colleagues, well, things don't usually
[00:03:40] work that way, things don't happen that way, that
[00:03:44] whoever pays has a say
[00:03:47] in who leads
[00:03:49] against bureaucracy and the the organization and how the money is spent, well, here too, well,
[00:03:52] if those who are the members, who pay,
[00:03:56] well then they should decide about...
[00:04:00] who leads the chamber and how the chamber's money
[00:04:03] is spent, the moment that the number
[00:04:06] of elected by members
[00:04:09] decreases like this, then
[00:04:12] this changes, so this
[00:04:16] is not a correct direction, and we cannot support
[00:04:19] that either, dear colleagues,
[00:04:22] that that
[00:04:24] the membership fees
[00:04:27] of large entrepreneurs are reduced." So the burden
[00:04:31] on the big players is reduced, which in itself
[00:04:35] is not a problem, but in the new membership fee system,
[00:04:39] the membership fees of small farmers,
[00:04:42] individual entrepreneurs, small organizations, and the majority
[00:04:45] of family farms will increase,
[00:04:49] which we definitely do not consider
[00:04:52] correct, especially the small ones need to be strengthened,
[00:04:56] even in drought, it is always the small ones who
[00:04:59] have little... defense, we would respectfully
[00:05:02] suggest that these
[00:05:04] ideas be changed,
[00:05:07] we have no objection to the membership fees of the big players
[00:05:11] reduce those of the small ones too,
[00:05:14] moreover, take over the financing of the membership
[00:05:17] fees for 2027 from the
[00:05:20] state. And allow me
[00:05:24] to also mention some
[00:05:28] in job descriptions that we cannot
[00:05:31] support in this
[00:05:35] form, because the fact that
[00:05:38] the hail damage mitigation system
[00:05:41] should not belong to the chamber, or to
[00:05:44] the chamber, the hail damage mitigation
[00:05:48] system, well, that can
[00:05:51] be transferred, it can be transferred to any other
[00:05:54] state body, it does not necessarily have to be within the chamber's
[00:05:58] responsibility, but this
[00:06:00] proposal does not specify whether the
[00:06:04] hail damage mitigation system will operate from
[00:06:07] April, and if so, how, until
[00:06:11] now, until now. The chamber was in close cooperation with the
[00:06:15] former meteorological service, Hungaromet, so this can
[00:06:18] be arranged within the state, but it must
[00:06:21] be arranged. This proposal
[00:06:24] itself, dear colleagues,
[00:06:29] system, the hail damage mitigation system, must
[00:06:32] operate after April
[00:06:35] 2027. And we cannot support
[00:06:38] in any way that those tasks that
[00:06:42] now appear in the chamber law, namely the
[00:06:46] operation of the digital agricultural chamber, the
[00:06:49] general plant protection forecast, market
[00:06:52] information and qualification information about market players,
[00:06:56] these are now specifically named tasks of the
[00:06:59] chamber, that they are simply eliminated,
[00:07:02] why, why? the chamber
[00:07:05] could perform this task well, it was in a good
[00:07:09] place, so we do not see
[00:07:12] any reason to change it.
[00:07:16] In summary, dear colleagues, our
[00:07:19] opinion, as Christian Democrats, on the submitted
[00:07:23] proposal is that overall, there are
[00:07:26] good initiatives
[00:07:28] in the proposal, but the overall
[00:07:31] proposal does not build
[00:07:35] trust, does not strengthen trust with farmers,
[00:07:38] does not build, does not strengthen trust with agricultural
[00:07:42] businesses, does not build, does not strengthen trust with
[00:07:46] agriculture, therefore we cannot support it. Thank you for your
[00:07:50] kind attention.
[00:07:55] I give the floor to Dávid Dulcs, the chief speaker of our homeland's
[00:07:59] parliamentary group, for 15 minutes. Please, Mr. Representative.
[00:08:03] Madam President, thank you very much for the floor. Dear House. Well, as
[00:08:06] we heard from my esteemed
[00:08:09] colleague, it really affects community, but the entire
[00:08:13] Hungarian society indirectly, this issue,
[00:08:17] and well, we all know from the whole society
[00:08:20] that the farmers who have not
[00:08:24] given up farming altogether have been able to farm
[00:08:27] under extremely bad and unfavorable
[00:08:30] conditions in recent years, because if we examine the past little more
[00:08:33] than a decade, then we have a devastating number
[00:08:37] on the table, that nearly half of Hungarian agricultural
[00:08:40] enterprises, farms, have disappeared in the past
[00:08:43] decade, this is a terribly devastating number, and
[00:08:47] of course climate change,
[00:08:49] of course the changed market situation,
[00:08:53] and actually politics can also be brought in here, which
[00:08:56] unfortunately seems to have dotted the i's and crossed the t's, and
[00:09:00] many people could no longer continue
[00:09:03] this beautiful profession under unfavorable
[00:09:06] conditions, but it is welcome that this
[00:09:09] amendment is now on the table and... and that it tries
[00:09:13] to dust off some mistakes that have been bothering
[00:09:17] the Hungarian farming community for years, however,
[00:09:20] unfortunately there are also
[00:09:23] in the sentences of this bill that would not
[00:09:27] show us a forward-looking direction, but sometimes
[00:09:31] even a step backward, and well, let's look at the
[00:09:34] issue of membership fees, for example. I think
[00:09:38] that a well-functioning chamber does not need to
[00:09:40] try to collect membership fees from
[00:09:44] farmers who are already in a difficult situation, because
[00:09:47] others would also like to join a well-functioning
[00:09:51] chamber, who perhaps were not members of this chamber before,
[00:09:54] of course, only if they can use some quality service,
[00:09:58] only if this organization can
[00:10:01] help the advancement or operation
[00:10:03] of their farm with some extra
[00:10:07] support. It is quite astonishing that, for example,
[00:10:10] in the case of family farms, who
[00:10:14] are the most bled dry, the membership fee
[00:10:17] will no longer have to be paid per farm, but by the product
[00:10:21] of the number of family farms, i.e., 10,000 forints
[00:10:25] per person, I think that this is not
[00:10:28] a membership fee reduction, but a significant membership fee increase
[00:10:30] in their case, and it is quite outrageous that while large
[00:10:34] agricultural players
[00:10:37] a membership fee reduced to even one-fifth, the smallest players
[00:10:41] in many cases have to pay nearly three times the membership fee,
[00:10:45] this is not a good multiplier direction, in my opinion, it is precisely the small ones
[00:10:48] who should be given greater opportunities and positions, even
[00:10:51] membership fee exemption, and we do not want to argue
[00:10:55] that we reduce the membership fee to one-fifth while
[00:10:58] increasing it by nearly three times for the smallest
[00:11:02] players, this is absolute nonsense,
[00:11:04] thing that our homeland movement can specifically
[00:11:08] within the framework of extremely entertaining memes we sometimes get tin
[00:11:11] foil hats, and we are called conspiracy theorists and I don't
[00:11:15] know what, but
[00:11:17] because of our adherence to reality, I am most happy that
[00:11:21] the operation of the hail system will be removed from
[00:11:25] its tasks next year, and we hope that the entire hail
[00:11:28] system as it is will no longer be operated next year, here
[00:11:32] I would like to express a different opposition opinion, because
[00:11:36] the other two opposition parties regretted the
[00:11:39] discontinuation of the hail system, because here we would rather
[00:11:43] reflect on what the Minister of Agriculture also said,
[00:11:45] that the existence of precipitation deficit causing
[00:11:49] drought, its connection with the operation of the hail
[00:11:52] system, is not proven. This is true. However, the opposite
[00:11:56] is also not proven, so it is also not proven that the hail
[00:11:59] system does not negatively affect precipitation formation,
[00:12:03] and thus did not indirectly contribute to drought.
[00:12:07] That is why I believe
[00:12:10] of this system is not necessary and not justified.
[00:12:14] Specific numbers and data were also mentioned here.
[00:12:17] We heard in specific numbers that the amount of areas
[00:12:21] affected by hail damage decreased by one third in the
[00:12:25] past almost one year. True, the amount of precipitation
[00:12:29] followed this proportionally, so I think that this system
[00:12:32] does not need to be operated, since it has not been operated
[00:12:36] in 15 counties of the country, there has been no report
[00:12:39] of what kind of hail damage would have occurred, because
[00:12:42] there was no precipitation. Then what else we need to talk
[00:12:46] about concerning the bill before us is,
[00:12:49] for example, renewal. We can support this, we saw
[00:12:52] the teething problems of the... we saw that it was
[00:12:56] an organization directed from above on a political basis, however,
[00:13:00] we still don't really see how this renewal will help
[00:13:03] farmers, because its main decision-making
[00:13:07] body will continue to be the general assembly, but
[00:13:10] well, this assembly is very interesting. My first
[00:13:14] criticism is that they link the electability
[00:13:18] of office bearers
[00:13:21] to higher education qualifications, which I think - in this
[00:13:25] case is pure discrimination, because someone
[00:13:28] is not necessarily a good farmer just because they have
[00:13:31] a university or college degree and a higher education qualification,
[00:13:34] perhaps the practice of the past decades speaks
[00:13:38] specifically for them, and they are known as a good farmer,
[00:13:41] we are now excluding them just because they don't have a higher
[00:13:45] education qualification, but they have 40 years of professional
[00:13:48] routine, experience, or a truly flourishing, prosperous
[00:13:51] farm. The other problem with renewal is that
[00:13:55] the voice of the small farmers who are in the most trouble,
[00:13:59] which I mentioned earlier, is not really
[00:14:03] heard, because you want to limit the previous
[00:14:06] general assembly of more than 300 members to 100-200
[00:14:09] members, which one could agree with, because the fight
[00:14:14] reduction of the number of office holders also fits
[00:14:17] on our banner, we also usually raise this, however,
[00:14:21] the problem is that it needs to be precisely defined, not with
[00:14:25] such vague numbers, how many members the general
[00:14:28] assembly will have, and the bigger problem is that
[00:14:32] it is quite astonishing that the number of delegates
[00:14:35] is more than two-thirds, while the number of eligible
[00:14:39] farmers, who are otherwise interest-representing farmers,
[00:14:42] can be less than one-third, so we think
[00:14:46] it would be fair if professional organizations and
[00:14:49] farmers directly elected from the counties or the
[00:14:52] capital could represent the Hungarian agriculture
[00:14:55] in a 50-50 ratio.
[00:14:58] - renewal and change would also be needed in the operating
[00:15:01] principle, not just in the organizational
[00:15:04] structure, because for some reason, when the
[00:15:08] organization was formed, it formulated completely different goals than
[00:15:11] those it pursued in recent years, positive examples
[00:15:15] could be brought from many countries in Europe, I myself
[00:15:19] am an active farmer, so I have visited German, Swedish, or
[00:15:23] even Polish farms. I could also tell about the positive
[00:15:27] examples there, but these are further away from us,
[00:15:30] so let's just stick to our neighbor, let's look at
[00:15:33] how it works in Austria, by the way, one of the best-functioning
[00:15:37] chambers in the EU is this Landwirtschaftskammer
[00:15:41] Österreich, so this chamber, what could it give
[00:15:45] to Austrian farmers, well, among other things, it could
[00:15:49] give them support, for example, in the field of innovation,
[00:15:52] and it could ensure a very active operation, because it did not
[00:15:56] only aim to collect membership fees, but it truly
[00:16:00] aimed to develop in Austria a
[00:16:03] sustainable, very well-functioning, long-term
[00:16:06] forward-looking agriculture and agribusiness, and
[00:16:10] well, to achieve this, for example, it did not focus
[00:16:14] on mass production, it did not focus on how to achieve the highest
[00:16:17] possible profit per hectare, but it moved towards niche
[00:16:21] market solutions, and tried to guide farmers in this
[00:16:25] direction, meaning that they do not necessarily have to stand on one leg,
[00:16:29] they do not necessarily have to rely on agricultural subsidies
[00:16:32] for their secure survival, they do not necessarily
[00:16:36] have to rely on their production for their
[00:16:39] livelihood, but since we are talking about
[00:16:42] the main pillars of the countryside, then
[00:16:46] let's combine the pleasant with the useful, and show
[00:16:50] the whole society what exactly is happening
[00:16:53] behind the scenes, how farming works, how you can
[00:16:57] put the product on the table from the field,
[00:17:01] or from the barn or from the pens, let's try to involve
[00:17:04] schools, let's try to involve social organizations
[00:17:08] who indeed have a big role in how the future
[00:17:11] society will develop, that is why agrotourism
[00:17:14] is a highly supported direction in Austria,
[00:17:18] and I think that we also need to adopt this direction
[00:17:22] as much as possible, I myself am the president of a nature park,
[00:17:25] I considered it extremely important that there is such a nature park
[00:17:29] in Nógrád, that it become a prominent tourist area,
[00:17:32] because we are not interested in such a highly
[00:17:36] valuable region taking the rough
[00:17:40] and uncertain path of industry, moreover, as we see now, often leading to a dead end.