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[00:00:00] the central government will immediately address this problem, because this problem has
[00:00:03] been going on for months , so it shouldn't be
[00:00:07] delayed any longer. There must be a concrete solution so that the pressure
[00:00:11] on this region can be immediately overcome. If
[00:00:14] we analogize the relationship between the central government and the regions as that of a parent and child
[00:00:18] , what is happening now is educating or letting the child be, Mas
[00:00:21] Jaka, that's right, if until now, because it's been
[00:00:24] months, this problem seems
[00:00:28] to be left unchecked. Actually, there's an attempt
[00:00:39] to discipline, it's allowed, they say, for the sake of the region not being extravagant to be efficient,
[00:00:43] but by cutting such a large amount of TKD,
[00:00:46] cutting such a large amount of DBH, I
[00:00:48] think the impact will ultimately be on the people
[00:00:51] . So, the effort to discipline is
[00:00:55] good, but the effort not to disrupt operational
[00:00:59] performance, whether in the region or not, must be the main priority.
[00:01:02] Okay, Mas Jaka, we will jointly see the editorial
[00:01:06] of Media Indonesia, Thursday, August 6, 2026,
[00:01:09] immediately address regional fiscal pressure.
[00:01:23] Immediately address regional
[00:01:25] fiscal pressure.
[00:01:40] But earlier, I also heard all the complaints from regional heads that it does not
[00:01:44] solve our problems in the region because we currently do not have the cash
[00:01:47] flow to pay the salaries of P3K until the end
[00:01:50] of the year.
[00:01:56] We count
[00:02:14] day by day, more and more local governments are expressing the fiscal
[00:02:18] pressure they are facing. Take North
[00:02:22] Maluku, Purwakarta Regency, and almost all regional
[00:02:25] and municipal governments in Central
[00:02:27] Java who are openly struggling to pay
[00:02:31] Finance Minister Purbaya himself estimates that there are
[00:02:34] 490 regional governments that need assistance to pay
[00:02:37] salaries and minimum operational costs.
[00:02:40] Unfortunately, with such clear
[00:02:43] problems, the solution to regional fiscal pressure is still
[00:02:46] unclear. Instead of implementing the principles of partnership and
[00:02:50] complementarity, so far what is visible is merely
[00:02:54] reflecting the problem back. Regional governments are asked
[00:02:58] month after month to continue to carry out efficiency.
[00:03:01] Such a response must be stopped immediately.
[00:03:05] The central government must immediately and seriously help overcome the fiscal
[00:03:09] pressure experienced by the regions. The central
[00:03:12] government surely understands that the smooth flow of regional fiscal
[00:03:15] affairs is also very crucial for achieving
[00:03:19] maximum economic growth. Currently, as
[00:03:22] announced by the Central Statistics Agency (BPS) yesterday, Indonesia's
[00:03:26] economic growth in Q2 2026 reached 5.2%.
[00:03:31] Although exceeding expectations, this economic
[00:03:34] growth slowed down compared to Q1
[00:03:37] 2026, which was
[00:03:40] 5.61%.
[00:03:43] With global conflicts still heating up, plus
[00:03:46] El Nino right before our eyes, regional finances
[00:03:50] must be healthy if we don't want economic growth to slow down
[00:03:53] further. Especially since it was the central government
[00:03:56] that asked regional governments not to conduct layoffs.
[00:04:30] The islands some time ago are a real
[00:04:33] picture of how the fiscal incapacity of local governments
[00:04:36] leads to bureaucratic and administrative conflict. Not
[00:04:40] only does it have the potential to spread, this kind of conflict clearly impacts
[00:04:43] the quality of public services.
[00:04:47] Therefore, we urge stakeholders to immediately
[00:04:50] find solutions and stop using the shield
[00:04:54] of regional inefficiency.
[00:04:58] Many cases show that
[00:05:02] this is the result of cuts in transfers to regions, and therefore
[00:05:06] the central government must act immediately.
[00:05:10] it will help, because what The crucial intervention of the center more explicitly was
[00:05:13] clearly captured from the coordination meeting that had been held by
[00:05:16] the Ministry of Home Affairs and the Ministry of Finance. The Ministry of Home Affairs
[00:05:19] has calculated that at least the Central Government has an obligation
[00:05:23] to pay and share DBH of
[00:05:26] R70 trillion to 413
[00:05:30] regional governments. The Ministry of Finance itself has stated its readiness for the fund
[00:05:33] . Thus, there is no longer any reason not
[00:05:36] to immediately resolve this regional fiscal problem. A quick decision
[00:05:40] will also affect .
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[00:09:03] Thank you, viewers, you are still with us on Editorial Media Indonesia, and
[00:09:07] now we will listen to the opinion of Metro TV viewers first, Mas
[00:09:10] Jaka, we have Mr. Yunus. from Tanjung Selor
[00:09:14] Kaltara, Mr. Yunus, good morning.
[00:09:17] How do you view the urgency of the Central Government to directly address
[00:09:20] fiscal issues in the regions at this time?
[00:09:24] Thank you for the opportunity
[00:09:37] much hope for attention from the central government, because
[00:09:40] lately, with your permission, as ordinary citizens,
[00:09:44] but we also pay attention to the situation and conditions in the regions,
[00:09:47] especially for us who are in remote
[00:09:50] border areas, North Kalimantan bordering
[00:09:53] Malaysia. Many
[00:09:56] regions are complaining now about the fiscal
[00:09:59] conditions in the regions. Please, there should be
[00:10:03] clarity, there should be real efforts from
[00:10:07] the central government to help the regions
[00:10:09] so that they can build with... special
[00:10:13] power for the North Kalimantan province, with your permission,
[00:10:17] Bulungan Regency, North Kalimantan province, and also our
[00:10:20] brothers and sisters who directly border Malaysia, there is a
[00:10:23] road from Malinau Regency to
[00:10:26] the border area up to Long Bawan
[00:10:30] or in the Kerayan area, that must be built up
[00:10:34] to Long Bawan because they are also our citizens, only one mountain
[00:10:38] separates them from Malaysia. Malaysia is good on the other side, with your permission, I apologize
[00:10:42] for this, but they have difficulty with transportation.
[00:10:45] Examples of our current difficulties in regional fiscal matters
[00:10:49] are the high cost of logistics,
[00:10:52] distribution, and logistics, especially for our beloved brothers
[00:10:56] and sisters, the people who are in the border areas in
[00:11:00] Long Mawung and so on. So,
[00:11:03] please fix this road infrastructure.
[00:11:07] If there were already roads, it probably wouldn't
[00:11:25] understood your four points. Basically, you said there must be real encouragement and effort from the central
[00:11:29] government, and one of the complaints was regarding infrastructure, Mas Jaka, yes,
[00:11:33] yes, if for infrastructure, there are still
[00:11:36] many things that need to be improved. We are worried
[00:11:40] that if the fiscal situation in these regions is very stressed,
[00:11:43] where will the money come from? Where will the money come from to pay
[00:11:47] employees and P3K? Even that is difficult, let alone
[00:11:50] building infrastructure. There might be some,
[00:11:53] but it will definitely be more limited. So, in our opinion, this must
[00:11:57] really be given attention by the government, and we are a little
[00:12:01] relieved when the Minister of Finance said
[00:12:04] that at the latest next week there will be assistance
[00:12:07] of 20.5 trillion. This government assistance is not TKD,
[00:12:11] and then there will also be payment of underpayment
[00:12:13] of DBH, which is around
[00:12:16] 70 trillion, which they say is still
[00:12:20] waiting for presidential approval. Hopefully,
[00:12:23] it will be executed soon, because
[00:12:27] these regions are already crying out, already
[00:12:30] in great difficulty to carry out operations
[00:12:33] and pay their employees. And this cannot
[00:12:36] be left unchecked continuously, because once again, the people will be affected.
[00:12:40] But Mas Jaka, how do you assess the efforts that have been made by the
[00:12:44] regions to cope with the pressure amidst budgetary constraints?
[00:12:47] Well, the regions are
[00:12:50] tightening their belts as much as possible, right? They
[00:12:54] even had plans
[00:12:57] to lay off P3K
[00:13:01] and reduce ASN salaries, but
[00:13:04] then the government forbade
[00:13:07] it, which is good, meaning so there won't be more
[00:13:10] unemployment. But the government shouldn't just forbid; the government must
[00:13:14] provide concrete and real solutions so that
[00:13:18] regional governments don't resort to layoffs or
[00:13:20] cut the salaries of employees, but also
[00:13:24] don't have difficulty paying all of that.
[00:13:27] And the only
[00:13:30] solution right now is to immediately disburse the
[00:13:33] DBH that has not been paid, at least the DBH.
[00:13:37] The DBH that is coming soon, this 20.5
[00:13:41] trillion assistance from the central government, not
[00:13:44] TKD, and in the short term, that's it. For the
[00:13:47] long term, for the years to come, I think it still needs
[00:13:51] to be calculated more carefully for the division of TKD and DPH.
[00:13:54] On the other hand, we also just saw the latest BPS
[00:13:57] release, Mas Jaka, that Indonesia's economic growth slowed in the second quarter.
[00:14:01] But why does it seem like the government isn't rushing to fix
[00:14:05] this problem? Yes, when the economy slows down,
[00:14:09] economic growth slows down, even if it's in line with
[00:14:11] expectations. If it's also affected
[00:14:15] by problems in the regions, we're worried
[00:14:18] it will slow down even more, because when regions
[00:14:22] can't move, when their economic
[00:14:25] wheels can't turn quickly because
[00:14:28] the wheels of government are also disrupted, that will impact
[00:14:32] the national economy, and we certainly shouldn't
[00:14:35] let that happen. That means we must really protect
[00:14:38] the regions so that the wheels of their development can
[00:14:41] turn as they should, and that is the government's job
[00:14:45] to ensure that. Yes, we are seeing a decline
[00:14:49] from the first quarter to the second quarter. Many say it's not
[00:14:52] significant, but no matter what, this is not an increase. Yes, that's right, that's right.
[00:14:56] This is actually
[00:14:59] a warning that must be really heard
[00:15:02] by the government that our economic pressure, especially from
[00:15:06] global factors, is very severe. The war has
[00:15:09] not ended yet, and
[00:15:12] the international global economy is also
[00:15:15] not yet truly stable, so there must be a truly
[00:15:19] comprehensive effort from the central government to ensure
[00:15:23] that we are not too affected by the very
[00:15:27] detrimental impacts. Yes, on the other hand, if we look at
[00:15:30] the three reasons for budget cuts in the regions: inefficiency, extravagance, and
[00:15:34] corruption, is there a guarantee from the central government that
[00:15:38] this will not happen ? Well, if
[00:15:41] we look at the facts, there have been several cases that
[00:15:44] indicate that there is extravagance and
[00:15:47] corruption, but we cannot
[00:15:50] make all of that just one
[00:15:53] measure. It is true that the government
[00:15:57] warns regions not to be extravagant anymore, not
[00:16:00] to be inefficient, and then
[00:16:04] to recklessly use the budget. Then it reduces
[00:16:08] TKD, and then it also
[00:16:12] slightly cuts DBH, but that's not the only thing
[00:16:15] that needs to be considered. We also need
[00:16:18] to think about how the wheels of regional government will turn. If
[00:16:22] all budgets are cut and the wheels of regional government do not
[00:16:25] turn, then again, the people are affected,
[00:16:29] and not
[00:16:31] only that, not only regional government operations,
[00:16:35] it can trigger conflict, you know. Yes, and it has already happened,
[00:16:38] and there have already been some regions that have protested,
[00:16:42] demoed in Tidore to Parepare. There were protests
[00:16:45] because they felt worried that there would be
[00:16:49] layoffs, and then there were also protests
[00:16:52] demanding the 13th month salary, and then
[00:16:55] there were also protests asking for their salaries
[00:16:59] not to be cut. If these
[00:17:02] things keep piling up and become an accumulation
[00:17:06] that we cannot control, that would be dangerous. So, we must
[00:17:10] pay attention to everything, everything must be thoroughly
[00:17:14] considered so that everything in the regions can
[00:17:17] run as it should, and then the central government
[00:17:21] will also not have too many additional problems, because right
[00:17:25] now the government has additional problems. When the government faces
[00:17:27] heavy national and international problems,
[00:17:31] but now it's burdened with new problems, namely the situation
[00:17:33] in the regions, and if it's not immediately resolved,
[00:17:37] the problems that the central government will face will continue to increase.
[00:17:40] It must be fast, it must be fast. Yes, Mas Jaka, we will discuss how
[00:17:44] fast and also what is the ideal next step that the central government can take
[00:17:48] in the future. Viewers, don't go anywhere, stay with us on Editorial Media Indonesia.
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[00:20:31] continue our discussion with Mas Jaka. Mas Jaka, although DBH
[00:20:34] has not been paid yet, yesterday the Minister of Home Affairs stated
[00:20:37] that there will be an increase in the budget for 79
[00:20:41] regions. The TKD will be increased to ease the tension in the
[00:20:45] regions. Hopefully,
[00:20:48] regional governments need now is money,
[00:20:51] budget, because they are already in great difficulty to
[00:20:55] pay employees and to build infrastructure that is very
[00:20:58] much needed by the people. Yes,
[00:21:02] we encourage regional
[00:21:05] governments to be more creative, to be more
[00:21:07] innovative in getting new revenues,
[00:21:10] but in the current situation, I think they have already
[00:21:14] carried out extraordinary efficiency, and what
[00:21:17] they hope for right now is the only
[00:21:20] thing, perhaps even the only thing,
[00:21:23] which is funds from the center. That's why when
[00:21:27] there is a plan to immediately disburse 20 trillion
[00:21:30] in aid, and also to immediately disburse 70 trillion
[00:21:34] in unpaid DPH, that becomes a
[00:21:38] solution, a way to solve the problem, and it must
[00:21:41] be done immediately by the government. But in
[00:21:44] the future, regional governments should not
[00:21:48] always depend on the central government. They must be innovative,
[00:21:52] they must really have their own autonomy, right, Mas? They are autonomous.
[00:21:56] When they are already trusted to
[00:21:59] be a regional government, they should be
[00:22:03] able to meet their own needs, be
[00:22:06] independent. But the fact is that many regions are still
[00:22:10] fully, almost fully, dependent on the
[00:22:12] center. They must learn a lot from examples. For example, Jakarta already
[00:22:16] has creative financing, Jakarta bonds, and so on. Yes, yes, yes, but.
[00:22:20] But if we look at the regions that
[00:22:23] are, I'm sorry, in the remote interior areas,
[00:22:26] they are truly dependent on the central government. They have
[00:22:30] natural resources, but they cannot process them. For example,
[00:22:33] they also need to learn
[00:22:37] a lot about how to get a large PD.
[00:22:41] So, in the near future, the government must
[00:22:44] truly provide solutions in the form of
[00:22:47] real transfers.
[00:22:50] In the future, the government must truly provide
[00:22:54] guidance on how to get a sufficiently
[00:22:56] large PD, but with the condition of
[00:23:00] not burdening the people. We are worried that
[00:23:04] if problems like this are still allowed to drag
[00:23:07] on, then the regions will look for shortcuts,
[00:23:10] just raise taxes. In the end, what gets
[00:23:13] hit is still there are still some cases
[00:23:16] that we have already witnessed.
[00:23:29] that could shake stability in the regions, we don't want that to happen. So, we
[00:23:33] once again urge the central government to immediately disburse
[00:23:36] aid, immediately
[00:23:39] disburse the DPH that is the right of the regions
[00:23:43] so that regions no longer have difficulty paying employees, paying
[00:23:47] P3K, and no longer have difficulty in building infrastructure. Well, we
[00:23:51] hope that what we are discussing now will truly be heard and become
[00:23:54] an enlightenment for the central government to immediately address the fiscal problems in
[00:23:57] the regions. Thank you, Mas Jaka, for discussing
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