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[00:00:30] registered under number
[00:00:35] accessed, the access that 300.pid.b.2026.
[00:00:38] East Jakarta District Court. Meanwhile, Dr. Tiva's case
[00:00:42] is registered under number
[00:00:44] 301.
[00:00:46] Pid.B.2026.PN
[00:00:52] East Jakarta. Furthermore, on
[00:00:55] October 28, 2026, Jokowi
[00:00:58] is scheduled to attend the trial as a witness, and
[00:01:03] If, for example, the original document a day later, on October 29, 2026, Jokowi affirmed
[00:01:06] his readiness to attend and respect the
[00:01:10] ongoing legal
[00:01:11] process.
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[00:02:10] this came from, I have never seen wood this
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[00:05:39] breaking news regarding the presence of Jokowi. Here
[00:05:42] we replay the testimony of Jokovido when he testified and
[00:05:46] answered a number of questions from the Public Prosecutor.
[00:05:48] umum,
[00:05:52] Witness, have you ever been examined? The examination
[00:05:55] was indeed
[00:05:57] uh,
[00:06:01] Witness, how many times have you been examined by
[00:06:04] the investigator? Uh, three times.
[00:06:08] Do you still remember the month or year, Witness?
[00:06:13] Uh, I don't remember, but I have notes,
[00:06:16] Mr. Public Prosecutor. The police report
[00:06:20] at Metro Jaya Regional Police, the first one was on
[00:06:23] July 23,
[00:06:25] 2025, then the second was February
[00:06:29] 11, 2026,
[00:06:32] then the third was April
[00:06:34] 1,
[00:06:36] Thank you. Were the statements
[00:06:40] you gave in the police report all
[00:06:42] true? True,
[00:06:45] Your Honor.
[00:06:47] Have you ever filed a report with the Metro
[00:06:51] Jaya Police?
[00:06:57] Approximately when?
[00:07:00] So we
[00:07:04] made
[00:07:07] a complaint on April 30,
[00:07:10] 20 25 and I did not
[00:07:14] mention
[00:07:17] the names of the people who were reported. What I reported
[00:07:20] was the chronology of the event,
[00:07:23] Your Honor.
[00:07:28] Witness, can you explain
[00:07:31] a little bit about the event that you reported?
[00:07:33] laporkan?
[00:07:36] So
[00:07:39] on March
[00:07:43] 26, while
[00:07:45] traveling in
[00:07:47] the car around Jalan Rasuna
[00:07:51] Said, South Jakarta, I
[00:07:55] was shown by my
[00:07:58] aide a video and
[00:08:00] a post related to
[00:08:04] the accusation of a fake diploma, Your
[00:08:06] Honor.
[00:08:10] In that report, did you
[00:08:14] mention the names
[00:08:16] of who was reported or just report
[00:08:19] the incident? No, Your Honor, I only reported
[00:08:22] the chronology of the event,
[00:08:25] because after I was shown the video post,
[00:08:28] then I instructed my
[00:08:31] aide to consult with
[00:08:35] legal advice, and after that I
[00:08:39] invited them, my advisors,
[00:08:42] to come to Solo, then we
[00:08:46] discussed the issue
[00:08:50] of the
[00:08:53] fake diploma and also
[00:08:56] I asked for
[00:09:00] uh, evidence to be prepared
[00:09:02] to support it.
[00:09:06] When you, Witness,
[00:09:09] were shown by your aide the
[00:09:12] video posts, do you remember,
[00:09:15] Witness, if you knew whose
[00:09:19] account
[00:09:19] it was?
[00:09:25] Uh, Your Honor, so
[00:09:28] uh, before
[00:09:32] the event of March 26,
[00:09:35] it had actually been happening since
[00:09:38] 2020, then it got worse and worse...
[00:09:43] Uh,
[00:09:47] in 2000
[00:09:50] 24-25,
[00:09:54] shown by my aide to be
[00:09:57] already over the top,
[00:10:00] so
[00:10:02] I took the initiative to
[00:10:06] consult with legal counsel,
[00:10:08] Your Honor.
[00:10:13] And there
[00:10:16] I
[00:10:20] was shown
[00:10:23] two videos and one
[00:10:26] post on
[00:10:28] X
[00:10:32] related to the accusation of a fake diploma.
[00:10:34] tersebut,
[00:10:38] When you, Witness,
[00:10:41] reported to the
[00:10:44] Metro Police, was there an account belonging
[00:10:47] to the defendant
[00:10:50] regarding the actions committed by the defendant from
[00:10:53] the evidence you reported? If
[00:10:56] an account, no, Your Honor, but
[00:11:00] what I saw was that for more than 2
[00:11:04] years, both on TV
[00:11:08] news, on Rakyat Bersuara, then
[00:11:12] on TVOne, on ILC,
[00:11:15] then on Sentana
[00:11:19] TV, then
[00:11:21] on Abraham
[00:11:25] Speak Up, then also on
[00:11:28] Facebook, then also on X, then also on
[00:11:32] YouTube, almost
[00:11:36] all of it was about the fake diploma
[00:11:39] accusation, Your Honor.
[00:11:43] So it was not
[00:11:46] the account
[00:11:50] of the esteemed defendant
[00:11:52] Mr. Roy.
[00:11:57] But in talk
[00:12:00] shows,
[00:12:03] on Sentana TV, on
[00:12:06] Abraham Samat Speak Up, he
[00:12:09] always attended as a
[00:12:12] resource person.
[00:12:18] Witness, regarding the uploads
[00:12:22] that were uploaded by the defendant.
[00:12:28] falsely accused against
[00:12:29] the witness,
[00:12:36] I saw a lot, Your Honor. If there
[00:12:40] is
[00:12:42] , with your permission, Witness, your diploma, a diploma
[00:12:46] of education, a Bachelor's degree or
[00:12:49] junior high or senior high, oh, a Bachelor's degree, Your
[00:12:53] Honor.
[00:12:58] Thank you, Witness. Uh, Witness, could
[00:13:01] you please explain your educational background from elementary school
[00:13:05] to
[00:13:06] university?
[00:13:10] Thank you, Mr. Public
[00:13:14] Prosecutor, whom I
[00:13:15] respect.
[00:13:18] So,
[00:13:21] starting from elementary school, my elementary school was at Public
[00:13:25] Elementary School number 111, Surakarta
[00:13:28] City. Then junior high at
[00:13:32] Junior High
[00:13:35] School 1, Public Junior High School 1, Surakarta
[00:13:38] City. Then senior high at Public
[00:13:41] Senior High School 6, Surakarta City, and
[00:13:45] then continued to Bachelor's
[00:13:49] degree at the Faculty of Forestry,
[00:13:51] Gadjah Mada University, Your Honor.
[00:13:58] In the Faculty
[00:14:01] of Forestry, Gadjah Mada University, did
[00:14:04] you, Witness, take any special elective
[00:14:08] courses? For example, in criminal law,
[00:14:11] there are uh,
[00:14:15] the Faculty of Law has civil law and criminal
[00:14:19] law. In the Faculty of Forestry, did you,
[00:14:22] Witness, ever take? Uh, elective
[00:14:26] courses, Your Honor. So
[00:14:30] in the Faculty of Forestry, since I
[00:14:33] entered, there was no major, no
[00:14:36] such thing. But
[00:14:39] we, the students, were
[00:14:42] given the option to take
[00:14:46] elective courses. And that's
[00:14:49] where some of us would say, "Oh,
[00:14:51] you're in the department of..."
[00:14:56] Wood technology or forest product technology. You're in
[00:15:00] the silviculture department. You're in the
[00:15:02] forest economics department. Oh, you're in
[00:15:05] the forest conservation department."
[00:15:09] It was just like that. Because I took many
[00:15:11] uh, elective
[00:15:15] courses in the
[00:15:19] field of
[00:15:22] forest product technology or wood technology.
[00:15:26] Such as the course
[00:15:30] on wood structure and properties,
[00:15:33] then the course on wood
[00:15:36] drying. The course on wood
[00:15:39] preservation, the
[00:15:41] course on pulp and
[00:15:44] paper, the course on plywood
[00:15:48] industry, then the course
[00:15:52] on sawing. My friends
[00:15:56] would say that I was in the area
[00:15:59] of wood technology or forest product
[00:16:03] technology, Your Honor.
[00:16:08] Your Honor, with your permission, let's continue, please.
[00:16:11] Thank you, Your Honors. With your permission, I will
[00:16:15] continue, Witness. You just
[00:16:19] stated that you were initially
[00:16:22] given or shown
[00:16:24] three posts on social media
[00:16:28] on March 26,
[00:16:31] 2025, while traveling in a car
[00:16:35] around Haji
[00:16:39] Sahid street by Witness Sarif. Can you, Witness,
[00:16:43] explain regarding
[00:16:46] the three posts on social media, were
[00:16:50] they videos or do we invite you
[00:16:53] to talk with criminal law expert from Trisakti University, Azmi
[00:16:56] Syahputra. Mr. Azmi, good
[00:16:59] afternoon.
[00:17:03] Yes, Mr. Azmi, I'm sorry, I can't hear your voice yet.
[00:17:08] Good afternoon, sir, how are you? Fine,
[00:17:11] how about now? Safe, safe, safe. Sir, my question is,
[00:17:15] when the President, the former President, attended
[00:17:18] the courtroom, did this absolutely strengthen the evidentiary
[00:17:21] weight in the defamation
[00:17:24] case? Oh, of course, his presence
[00:17:27] is the keyword and also the crown
[00:17:30] in the evidence, because he is in the position
[00:17:34] as a victim witness. So,
[00:17:37] uh, Mr. Jokowi today must be able to
[00:17:41] suffered or his suffering,
[00:17:44] because a victim is someone who experiences
[00:17:47] suffering or losses due to a criminal
[00:17:51] act committed by someone, of course. So today,
[00:17:54] his presence is to determine
[00:17:59] contained in the prosecutor's indictment
[00:18:03] regarding defamation is fulfilled or
[00:18:06] not, of course. This will certainly attract causality, so we
[00:18:10] saw several questions from the prosecutor that were already
[00:18:13] directed towards the education process, because why?
[00:18:17] Because the first access is
[00:18:20] a copy of the diploma, a copy of the diploma that was questioned by
[00:18:24] let's say Dr. Tiva and Mr. Roy Suryo
[00:18:27] regarding the photo, the paper material, and so on,
[00:18:31] and that was confirmed by UGM in
[00:18:35] their witness statement that made the graduation statement. And several
[00:18:38] other perhaps witnesses
[00:18:40] who explained or clarified about the academic information, the
[00:18:44] extensive academic information and process that is contained in the diploma, whether
[00:18:48] we like it or not, today it will be compared
[00:18:50] whether, let's say, the diploma that circulated
[00:18:54] at that time on the internet or on Twitter at
[00:18:58] that time is the same or not as the physical form brought today
[00:19:01] by Mr. Jokowi.
[00:19:04] Okay, sir. If in criminal law, we
[00:19:07] also know uh, what is it, the principle that there is no
[00:19:11] absolutely true evidence in quotes before
[00:19:15] it is judged by the judge. Well, you just mentioned that Mr.
[00:19:19] Jokowi's physical presence gives weight.
[00:19:22] How do you
[00:19:24] Yes, of course, but it's not just Mr. Jokowi's statement, meaning from
[00:19:28] the evidentiary forum,
[00:19:31] this testimony will be seen
[00:19:34] whether it is consistent between facts,
[00:19:37] documents, evidence, and witnesses, because the judge
[00:19:41] will impose at least two pieces of evidence, even though
[00:19:45] now in our Criminal Procedure Code, there are eight pieces of evidence. Is the
[00:19:48] witness's statement relevant? Is the expert's statement? Will
[00:19:52] the defendant's statement, the defendant will surely deny it, of course. Then
[00:19:56] there might be letters, there might be electronic evidence, there might
[00:19:59] be physical evidence that we also know now, there is judge's
[00:20:03] observation and everything that is revealed and obtained in
[00:20:06] the trial as long as it is obtained not against the law. Article 235 of the Criminal Procedure
[00:20:09] Code. This means that from the seven pieces of evidence, because the defendant's
[00:20:13] statement will surely choose today,
[00:20:16] the judge and the parties are given
[00:20:19] balance, both to the prosecutor as the public
[00:20:23] prosecutor, Mr. Jokowi as a witness, and
[00:20:26] let's say Mr. Roy and Mrs. Tiva as the defendants and
[00:20:29] their lawyers. So each will present
[00:20:32] their arguments whether this is purely a defamation
[00:20:36] case, whether this will become criticism, whether this is for
[00:20:39] the public interest. The judge will see whether
[00:20:43] this series of actions happened. But it starts from the object,
[00:20:47] which is the diploma. That is the entry point.
[00:20:51] Okay, sir, if, for example, Mr. Jokowi's presence
[00:20:53] then provides uh, what is it, original documents
[00:20:57] openly in front of the judge, can this invalidate the
[00:21:01] defamation offense?
[00:21:04] Oh, no, that's not invalidating the defamation offense, it's actually
[00:21:08] strengthening it if it actually happens. But again, we
[00:21:12] have to go back to what was tested by Dr. Tifa and Mr. Roy
[00:21:15] at that time, which was the
[00:21:18] accessed document. Uh, if he already made a mistake
[00:21:22] by sorting the document that
[00:21:25] was tested or examined by Mr.
[00:21:28] Roy and Mrs. Tifa at that time was what was uploaded
[00:21:32] by Mr. Dian Sandi. Where did Mr. Dian Sandi get it from? It should go
[00:21:35] there, right? That's why, again, these two objects are compared.
[00:21:38] Are these objects the same or not the same? If
[00:21:42] they are not the same, it will be complicated. This will be the trigger
[00:21:45] for the problem. Okay, sir, just a
[00:21:49] bit. Uh, technical matters, right?
[00:21:53] brought by the reporter turns out to be valid,
[00:21:56] why doesn't this automatically invalidate
[00:22:00] the defamation charge? Uh, what legal
[00:22:03] element must be fulfilled by the prosecutor to prove that the defendant
[00:22:06] actually committed defamation?
[00:22:09] Yes, it definitely comes from the evidence, the document, again. So
[00:22:13] if the elements are, was he attacked or not, was he harmed or not, was his good name tarnished
[00:22:17] or not, right? Was Mr. Joko's honor attacked or
[00:22:20] not? Uh, but again, today we also have to, because our KUHAP
[00:22:24] and Criminal Procedure Code provide a point of balance and
[00:22:28] uh, our sentencing guidelines are no longer about revenge, but
[00:22:31] about correction, about rehabilitation, restorative
[00:22:34] justice, you know? So the judge also has sentencing
[00:22:38] guidelines, which is if it is also linked to Article 70
[00:22:41] K, this long-standing situation has occurred, let's say
[00:22:45] the dialectic or public issue, the denials in the public sphere, this has
[00:22:48] been almost 10-11 years, meaning. It has happened and in the sentencing
[00:22:52] guidelines in Article 70 letter H, it
[00:22:54] is stated that the victim, whether the victim also triggered
[00:22:58] this occurrence, because everywhere, if it should be in the Criminal
[00:23:02] Justice System, when there is a report, there is an investigation
[00:23:05] process, investigation, and so on, people want it to be clear.
[00:23:08] It should be, uh, if it was clear from the beginning, this would have
[00:23:11] been explained. This is also a note for the judge later when he
[00:23:15] wants, let's say, this is proven, but there are sentencing guidelines that
[00:23:19] this situation is indeed desired. We don't know
[00:23:22] what the motive is, because people have their own goals. Is it just that it can
[00:23:25] be discussed politically in the public sphere, there are these discussions,
[00:23:29] ah, but because what is being sought is legal
[00:23:32] truth, then this must be considered. In
[00:23:35] 2026, the regions of Java, Bali, and
[00:23:38] Nusa Tenggara and the Sulawesi region grew above
[00:23:42] the national economic
[00:23:44] growth.
[00:23:47] Furthermore, ladies and gentlemen, I will...
[00:23:50] present
[00:23:53] the results of the index, conditions, and prospects
[00:23:56] of the manufacturing business or IKBM in
[00:23:59] Q3 of
[00:24:01] 2026.
[00:24:04] The Index of Manufacturing Business Conditions
[00:24:07] and Prospects or IKBM
[00:24:11] is compiled based on the results of the Large and
[00:24:14] Medium Industry Survey (IPS) on a quarterly basis
[00:24:18] with coverage. Samples in large-scale
[00:24:22] and medium-scale
[00:24:24] processing industries. Sample selection in industrial
[00:24:28] estates.