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[00:00:17] You're watching Headline News. Former Deputy Minister of Immigration and Corrections,
[00:00:20] Silmi Karim, underwent a trial for the reading of a defense plea in the case
[00:00:23] of alleged extortion concerning the processing
[00:00:26] Listyo Sigit Prabowo. Moreover, the system of foreign nationals' stay permits at the Jakarta Anti-Corruption Court on Thursday afternoon.
[00:00:29] Facing the panel of judges, Silmi asserted that she had never committed
[00:00:33] extortion as accused by the public prosecutor. Silmi
[00:00:36] Karim could not hold back her tears while reading her defense plea
[00:00:40] at the Jakarta Anti-Corruption Court. In her defense,
[00:00:44] Silmi denied the accusation that she knew, allowed,
[00:00:48] or enjoyed the results of alleged extortion related to limited stay permits
[00:00:51] for foreign nationals. Silmi believes that the prosecutor did not clearly
[00:00:54] describe who was forced to give money,
[00:00:58] and which permit applications were deliberately made difficult. Silmi also stated that
[00:01:01] the digitalization of BNA stay permit processing that she initiated when
[00:01:05] in office was aimed at closing loopholes
[00:01:07] for irregularities.
[00:01:12] what I did in immigration.
[00:01:14] You can check the significant changes yourself, you can check
[00:01:17] yourself, right?
[00:01:19] But
[00:01:22] the reward is becoming a defendant.
[00:01:25] That is a form
[00:01:28] of criminalization which... for me is very
[00:01:30] cruel.
[00:01:32] did not disclose who the The legal event that
[00:01:35] there would be nothing to was applied to Mr. Silmi
[00:01:38] Karim, I compare it with
[00:01:42] the case of Mr. Tom Lembong, Mr.
[00:01:45] Nadim,
[00:01:47] Mr. Gusiakut, there's no difference
[00:01:50] right? Exactly the same,
[00:01:54] just in a different frame, but
[00:01:58] it's the same, it's the same.
[00:02:00] In my opinion, there has been
[00:02:03] criminalization against
[00:02:06] an action carried out by
[00:02:09] the CEO of PTKAI, Bobby Rasyidin, met
[00:02:12] Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta on Thursday
[00:02:15] afternoon. Bobby said he came because he was called by Seskap Lieutenant Colonel
[00:02:19] TNI Tedy Indrawijaya. But when asked about the topic of discussion with
[00:02:23] the president today, Bobby claimed he didn't know. Bobby then rushed into
[00:02:26] the palace in a hurry. He appeared to be wearing.
[00:02:32] reveal what
[00:03:09] "Commander, it turns out humans have many activities on the internet, so we have to
[00:03:13] multiply ourselves. The amazing thing is that the connection at home can
[00:03:17] lawful interception that reach everything from meetings, live streaming, learning
[00:03:21] with AI, playing games, to watching hundreds
[00:03:24] of channels and various streaming applications. This is their
[00:03:27] secret, connections are twice as fast, so..." it can run
[00:03:30] simultaneously. With IndiHome, it turns out being human
[00:03:33] is fun. Everyone gets what
[00:03:36] they want with IndiHome.
[00:03:44] Presented
[00:03:45] by
[00:03:49] at what National Police Chief General Suyudi
[00:03:52] Ario Seto stated that the handling of illegal wiretapping cases is purely
[00:03:57] Mr. Suparji, so far, the articles a law enforcement process and is not related to competition or specific interests within
[00:04:01] the institution. The National Police Chief also asked all ranks to remain focused on maintaining public
[00:04:05] safety and order.
[00:04:09] are state apparatus, right? And The arrest of
[00:04:13] If that's what was several police officers related to the wiretapping
[00:04:16] case that we are currently
[00:04:19] handling, and this of course
[00:04:23] needs to be a lesson for
[00:04:26] all of us, and
[00:04:31] "We want the Police to remain solid,
[00:04:34] to remain a pillar of
[00:04:37] society, and we are confident that currently
[00:04:41] the Police are very solid, and
[00:04:44] of course, for all members throughout Indonesia
[00:04:47] to continue to work well, to carry
[00:04:50] out their duties of maintaining public order, always
[00:04:54] with the community according to our slogan, our collective slogan,
[00:04:58] which is 'Police with the Community'."
[00:05:01] and we assure you that this is all
[00:05:04] purely a matter of law enforcement, right?
[00:05:07] There is no connection with
[00:05:09] competition or anything else, but... This
[00:05:12] is purely for the good of the police institution
[00:05:16] that we love, in order to provide services and protection to
[00:05:20] the community. Let alone ordinary citizens,
[00:05:24] even the president can be wiretapped. This has become a public concern
[00:05:27] following the exposure of the wiretapping scandal against President Prabowo
[00:05:31] Subianto and other political figures, allegedly carried out
[00:05:35] by former National Police Chief General
[00:05:38] used, Lims, is a system commonly used
[00:05:42] by law enforcement officials to investigate legal
[00:05:45] cases.
[00:05:52] from my intelligence, I
[00:05:53] have it,
[00:05:56] this, from police intelligence,
[00:05:59] I have it from intelligence in the PNI,
[00:06:03] don't tell me this is where the wiretapping problem
[00:06:06] started, it's possible. We'll wait
[00:06:10] for the proof.
[00:06:15] The unraveling of the intelligence scandal targeting the president and political
[00:06:19] party figures reminds the public of Joko Widodo's statement
[00:06:23] in September 2023. At that time,
[00:06:26] Jokowi, who was still president, claimed to have complete data on
[00:06:30] the direction of political parties from intelligence information. While reminding
[00:06:34] volunteers not to choose the wrong leader in the 2024 presidential
[00:06:37] election. I
[00:06:39] know what kind of parties. I
[00:06:43] know
[00:06:47] what kind of parties I
[00:06:49] know
[00:06:51] where they want to go. I also
[00:06:53] understand. The information I receive
[00:06:57] is complete. From my intelligence, I
[00:07:01] have it. From police
[00:07:05] intelligence, I have it. From PNI
[00:07:09] intelligence, I have it, sir.
[00:07:14] And outside information is
[00:07:17] numbers, data, surveys, everything.
[00:07:21] aja.
[00:07:23] So what is the motive behind the wiretapping scandal allegedly carried out by
[00:07:27] former police chief Listyo Sigit Prabowo and two other police
[00:07:30] officers? There is a political motive
[00:07:34] behind this. There is a political motive that
[00:07:37] must be proven in the investigation, and I
[00:07:41] am not convinced. If this wiretapping only started
[00:07:44] in 2025, perhaps he had already done
[00:07:47] it before, because there was an event in
[00:07:51] 2023 where President Jokowi at that time
[00:07:54] firmly said, "I know what
[00:07:58] is happening in political parties according to my
[00:08:01] intelligence report, according to the Police. Don't tell
[00:08:05] me this is where the wiretapping problem started."
[00:08:08] Meanwhile, the platform allegedly used by the perpetrators
[00:08:12] to wiretap the president and politicians is Lims,
[00:08:15] a platform for legal wiretapping that should be used
[00:08:19] in the context of law enforcement, including by
[00:08:21] the Police. So Lims
[00:08:25] is actually a platform used for
[00:08:30] is placed on the operator's
[00:08:33] system, where in that operator's
[00:08:36] system it will be connected
[00:08:39] to each monitoring center. It functions to
[00:08:42] run the legal
[00:08:50] wiretapping flow,
[00:08:54] namely lawful interception. Now, lawful interception starts
[00:08:57] with a request for permission
[00:09:01] from the court to wiretap a certain
[00:09:03] target. Now, in that court permission
[00:09:07] letter, it will state the target number, the duration
[00:09:11] of how long it will be and then
[00:09:14] what content and so on. From
[00:09:18] there, Lims will be tasked
[00:09:21] with carrying out its duty to send
[00:09:25] that wiretapping data from Lims to
[00:09:28] the police monitoring center. It only needs the phone number of the person to be
[00:09:32] tapped, right? That's right, it only needs the number, so no
[00:09:36] special tapping device is needed, just the number is entered
[00:09:40] into Lims, that's right.
[00:10:25] then it was also reported that there were
[00:10:28] party leaders, including community organization
[00:10:31] figures. This, of course, from
[00:10:34] what's his name, our
[00:10:37] intention also
[00:10:40] makes us wonder, as media
[00:10:43] friends asked, what is the purpose of this?
[00:10:47] But the full and detailed
[00:10:50] information, we await it from the investigation team. Metro TV news.
[00:10:57] Viewers, the case of illegal wiretapping and access against President Prabowo
[00:11:01] continues to unfold and has already named three suspects, including former
[00:11:05] National Police Chief Listyo Sigit Prabowo. However, the question remains
[00:11:08] why this wiretapping could happen, and what are its implications, considering
[00:11:12] that the people being wiretapped are the president and other important figures in
[00:11:15] this country. And where does the order for this wiretapping come from? We
[00:11:19] will discuss this with Mr. Suparji Ahmad, a criminal
[00:11:23] law expert. Good evening, Mr.
[00:11:30] investigators are also investigating the alleged
[00:11:34] deletion of wiretapping recordings. What
[00:11:37] are the implications if this is proven
[00:11:39] to have happened? Yes,
[00:11:43] that with the
[00:11:46] deletion of data
[00:11:49] indicates an ill intention, right?
[00:11:53] If it wasn't
[00:11:56] deleted, then
[00:12:00] worry about regarding the results of
[00:12:03] that wiretap, you see. So, with the deletion
[00:12:07] of that data, it indicates
[00:12:11] a malicious motive in the context of
[00:12:14] wiretapping, because that's why
[00:12:17] it was shown that that data
[00:12:19] was deleted. If, for example,
[00:12:22] the wiretapping was in the context of
[00:12:25] providing protection, security to the person
[00:12:28] concerned or preventing other
[00:12:31] criminal elements, then that data
[00:12:35] should have been something that needed to be preserved,
[00:12:38] something that could be used or could
[00:12:42] then be utilized. So, this becomes a clue
[00:12:45] that there is a malicious motive, there is an ill motive in
[00:12:49] the context of that wiretapping. However, investigators
[00:12:53] should not stop there to
[00:12:57] the wiretap results were, right? It shouldn't
[00:13:00] stop because
[00:13:03] the wiretap was already deleted. It can
[00:13:06] be done with other methods, for example, with
[00:13:10] the operator of the phone used
[00:13:14] or with other tracking methods, right? Now, this is what I'm
[00:13:18] worried about, that it seems that with the
[00:13:22] deleted wiretap results, then
[00:13:25] it will stop or channelize this case
[00:13:28] so it's not fully resolved. So we truly
[00:13:32] hope that the investigation process for
[00:13:36] this case is completed,
[00:13:39] what the motive is, what
[00:13:41] has been done, and what the wiretap results are, and don't
[00:13:45] let it then localize
[00:13:49] with the argument that the wiretap
[00:13:52] results have been deleted, you see. This I think will become
[00:13:55] an anti-climax and cause
[00:13:58] concern in the future that
[00:14:01] people have been tapped, people have no guarantee of protection
[00:14:05] for their private rights, their privacy rights, because why?
[00:14:09] Because law enforcement is not complete. If
[00:14:13] this law enforcement process was complete, reaching
[00:14:15] its roots, including processing the
[00:14:19] wiretap results, then it would give the public
[00:14:22] confidence that our law enforcement is serious about handling
[00:14:26] this case, because in my opinion, this is a very serious
[00:14:29] case. Firstly, the perpetrators
[00:14:34] one of the people tapped is the head of state. I think this is important,
[00:14:37] you see. Alright, Mr. Suparji, for complete law enforcement,
[00:14:41] it means that the police investigators also need
[00:14:44] to confirm whether the wiretapping results were ever copied,
[00:14:47] transferred, stored, or even given to other parties,
[00:14:51] sir. Yes, that's right, I agree that...
[00:14:55] It's like in TPP, "follow the money," this is
[00:14:59] "follow the data" where it goes. Follow this data to where it goes, you see.
[00:15:03] Who accessed it, who exploited
[00:15:06] it, who received
[00:15:09] the data stream, and for what purpose was that data
[00:15:13] used? That's important to do
[00:15:16] so that it can build
[00:15:19] public trust in law enforcement, so that the
[00:15:22] law enforcement process is complete, you see. Not just stopping
[00:15:26] because it was already deleted, finally not
[00:15:29] tracing the acquisition of that data, the utilization
[00:15:33] of that data, because if that happens, once again I
[00:15:37] say... then the law enforcement process, including in
[00:15:40] this wiretapping case, will not be complete. Because, once again, this
[00:15:44] wiretapping is very serious, because why? Because
[00:15:47] it is of course in the context of
[00:15:50] collecting information, and collecting information is part
[00:15:53] of the preparatory act in the context of treason, right? And
[00:15:57] the person tapped is the head of state, which further
[00:16:00] confirms that there is an element of treason, right?
[00:16:04] Especially if the perpetrators are also state apparatus.
[00:16:07] "The only question is how to construct
[00:16:11] the motivation behind the wiretapping process.
[00:16:14] Is the motivation for this wiretapping to attack,
[00:16:18] overthrow the government, or attack the head of state? If
[00:16:21] that happens and the element of treason is met, then
[00:16:25] this motive is important to investigate, and investigating
[00:16:28] the motive cannot be done by only relying on
[00:16:32] the parties being questioned, on the suspects, because
[00:16:35] most likely they will not confess to the real motive,
[00:16:39] but the fulfillment or
[00:16:42] discovery of this motive can be done
[00:16:45] from the wiretap results. For example,
[00:16:49] if this wiretapping was done at certain times
[00:16:52] when discussing, for instance, state security or
[00:16:56] discussing government policy, that can later be used as
[00:17:00] an analysis. Oh, it turns out the wiretapping was only on certain
[00:17:03] segments related to, for example, certain policies
[00:17:07] and perhaps this will be used to do certain
[00:17:10] things and so on. So, once again, to be able to
[00:17:14] find the motive of the wiretapping, one way is to
[00:17:18] look at the process and results of that wiretapping.
[00:17:22] So, if we don't get the wiretap results, it's difficult
[00:17:25] to find the motive of that wiretapping, right? Okay,
[00:17:29] alright, Mr. Suparji, in terms of criminal law, does unauthorized wiretapping and
[00:17:32] acts of treason have the same or different legal constructions?
[00:17:36] There is a similarity
[00:17:39] and there is a comparison or
[00:17:42] a difference or subsequent actions, right?
[00:17:46] The similarity is that in this
[00:17:49] context, wiretapping was done against the head
[00:17:53] of state. This fulfills the elements of treason, right?
[00:17:56] Then in the context of treason, there were
[00:17:59] preparatory acts that were committed. The preparatory acts
[00:18:03] that were committed were collection. This wiretapping is part of information
[00:18:08] gathering. Now, it's just a matter of looking at the
[00:18:11] next element, the intention and the
[00:18:15] purpose, right? The intention,
[00:18:18] the intention is indeed to commit wiretapping, and the purpose
[00:18:22] is, for example, to attack the head of state or
[00:18:26] the government. So, this wiretapping is
[00:18:29] part, part of the element of treason,
[00:18:32] but it needs to be followed up in the context
[00:18:35] of the motive, in the context of the purpose, in the context
[00:18:39] of the subsequent actions, and in
[00:18:41] the context of those wiretap results. So, we cannot
[00:18:45] simply say that this wiretapping is
[00:18:48] treason, but it needs to be supported with
[00:18:51] other evidence, the fulfillment of the element of treason, that the
[00:18:55] element of treason is related to attacking, yes, attacking,
[00:18:59] overthrowing, making, for example, the head of state not
[00:19:02] independent, or overthrowing the legitimate government
[00:19:06] illegally. That's it. Or then in the context
[00:19:10] of, for example, separating from the government of the unitary
[00:19:13] state of Indonesia and so on. So, this needs
[00:19:17] to be investigated to determine whether this is
[00:19:21] treason or not. This is by looking
[00:19:26] was tapped, what the wiretap results were,
[00:19:29] and where the wiretap was channeled to, right? Okay, alright,
[00:19:34] applied by law enforcement officials to the suspects are still focused on cyber
[00:19:38] crimes and illegal wiretapping, not the offense of overthrowing
[00:19:42] power. What is your response?
[00:19:45] In my opinion, this is still the beginning, so further investigation is needed.
[00:19:51] done, I think the elements I mentioned
[00:19:54] earlier have been met. But the public, I think, is
[00:19:58] waiting to see
[00:20:00] the income from other acts
[00:20:04] committed to meet the elements of other
[00:20:08] criminal offenses. So, in my opinion, we
[00:20:10] are very much looking forward to
[00:20:14] the seriousness of the investigators
[00:20:17] to investigate the fulfillment of the elements
[00:20:20] of other criminal offenses,
[00:20:23] and not to stop with the argument
[00:20:26] that the data has been
[00:20:29] deleted, okay? Because indeed, when the data has been
[00:20:33] deleted, the consequence is not fulfilled, right? Finally,
[00:20:36] the formal offense is fulfilled, only wiretapping, illegal
[00:20:40] wiretapping, while in the context of treason, there needs
[00:20:44] to be material evidence about the elements of treason, and that
[00:20:47] can be found from looking at the wiretap results.
[00:20:51] So, once again, the public or I personally,
[00:20:54] so that this has a deterrent effect and a good
[00:20:58] lesson for the future, then further investigation of the fulfillment
[00:21:01] of other elements is needed, okay? Mr. Subarji, let alone
[00:21:05] ordinary citizens, even the president can be wiretapped. This then becomes a public concern following
[00:21:09] the exposure of this wiretapping scandal. To what extent can the law protect citizens,
[00:21:13] sir?
[00:21:15] Yes, so this is important, right, for the DPR, for the government,
[00:21:19] to immediately discuss
[00:21:22] the wiretapping law, right? That this wiretapping
[00:21:26] law is part of the coercive efforts regulated in the Criminal Procedure Code, and
[00:21:29] its rules are that wiretapping is allowed if
[00:21:33] it's for law enforcement purposes. But each
[00:21:36] institution, the KPK, the police, and the
[00:21:39] prosecutor's office, have their own sectoral
[00:21:43] wiretapping mechanisms, including intelligence and so on. Therefore,
[00:21:47] in my opinion, in order to provide protection to
[00:21:51] the community, regulation regarding wiretapping must be
[00:21:54] important so that it is clearer, more certain, more
[00:21:57] decisive, right? So that the community is protected, because
[00:22:01] it is true that it sounds simple
[00:22:04] that even the president can be wiretapped, let alone ordinary
[00:22:07] people. And if ordinary people are wiretapped, then
[00:22:10] their human rights, their
[00:22:13] privacy, and so on are not
[00:22:17] protected. So, this of course becomes a global
[00:22:20] spotlight, international public, that the president's
[00:22:23] privacy protection, security protection is so
[00:22:27] weak, that it can be wiretapped like that, you see. Alright, Mr. Suparji, we will
[00:22:31] wait to see how the investigators proceed with this illegal
[00:22:34] wiretapping case. Thank you, Mr. Suparji Ahmad,
[00:22:38] for joining us tonight on Prime Time
[00:22:41] News. Viewers, the Gerindra party suspects
[00:22:44] a large agenda and certain interests behind the wiretapping
[00:22:48] of President. Prabowo. More information coming
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[00:24:15] presented
[00:24:16] by
[00:24:22] against the suspects, who allegedly
[00:24:24] carried out illegal wiretapping
[00:24:28] or illegal tapping of the phone
[00:24:31] number of the President of the Republic
[00:24:33] of Indonesia.
[00:24:37] This modern era has many ears that want
[00:24:40] to hear.
[00:24:45] This is absolutely
[00:24:48] treason.
[00:24:55] Viewers, the chairman of Commission 3 of the DPR, Habiburrahman, admitted
[00:24:59] to being disappointed if it was proven that the leaders and members of Commission 3
[00:25:03] were also wiretapped by former police chief Listyo Sigit Prabowo. Habib
[00:25:06] supported Listyo during his tenure as
[00:25:10] police chief. Habiburrahman expressed surprise at
[00:25:13] the emergence of the alleged illegal wiretapping scandal against the leaders and members
[00:25:17] of Commission 3 of the DPR RI, even though, according to
[00:25:20] him, Commission 3 of the DPR has always defended and
[00:25:23] supported former police chief Listyo Sigit Prabowo, who is now
[00:25:27] a suspect in the alleged illegal wiretapping against the president
[00:25:30] and other public figures. Furthermore, Habib referred to this illegal
[00:25:34] wiretapping as an act of insubordination against
[00:25:37] superiors within the institution. 25 alleged
[00:25:39] violators who were not professional. If we were
[00:25:43] illegally tapped, then of course we are disappointed.
[00:25:46] Just like what you just mentioned, you also praised
[00:25:50] Mr. Listyo at that time, and perhaps you can explain, sir, at that time the context was
[00:25:54] the same as Mr. Prabowo, who praised him several times, right?
[00:25:57] Yes, we always believe that what we said
[00:26:01] was true at that time, right? Yes, if there is later
[00:26:04] a fact and it is proven that the person concerned
[00:26:08] committed an illegal act, even insubordination,
[00:26:12] this is a very, very sensitive issue in state
[00:26:16] life, of course,
[00:26:19] we hand it over to the legal process to be dealt with
[00:26:22] accordingly.
[00:26:28] Habiburrahman also revealed that Commission 3 of the DPR targeted
[00:26:31] the discussion to be held in December
[00:26:34] as an effort to provide legal protection for all citizens from
[00:26:38] illegal wiretapping practices. The alleged
[00:26:40] wiretapping scandal against the president and a number of political figures is considered
[00:26:44] a momentum to strengthen regulations regarding the authority
[00:26:48] and procedures for
[00:26:49] wiretapping.
[00:26:53] It seems it's already done, right? We just need to push it further. God willing,
[00:26:56] this law will be completed. What is it called, the asset forfeiture law? Tomorrow
[00:27:00] it will be the judge's position law, the
[00:27:03] advocate law, and the wiretapping law. So,
[00:27:07] those three laws will also be pushed in this period,
[00:27:10] this period will tighten regulations related to wiretapping,
[00:27:14] tighten and clarify, right? Don't let
[00:27:17] citizens' rights be violated by illegal
[00:27:20] wiretapping. Former Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, Mahfud MD,
[00:27:24] openly suspected that the wiretapping products by Listo and others
[00:27:28] against President Prabowo flowed all the way to Solo.
[00:27:31] However, Mahfud
[00:27:35] Solo party was.
[00:27:38] people then
[00:27:41] talk about treason because from the results
[00:27:44] of what, the results
[00:27:47] of, let's say, leaked sources, the product
[00:27:50] of these wiretapping results, the final
[00:27:53] product, reached Solo, so
[00:27:57] whatever these people will do, they already
[00:28:01] know the direction of everything.
[00:29:02] others, if there are indications that there are
[00:29:05] other forces that involved in this
[00:29:08] wiretapping case, I hope the police institution
[00:29:12] can thoroughly investigate it, as thoroughly as possible, so that this does not
[00:29:16] become a polemic in the future, but if we
[00:29:19] think clearly, what is the motive of a Prabowo
[00:29:23] who has, let's say, been trusted by our president to be
[00:29:26] the Chief of Police during his administration for these 2 years and then
[00:29:29] still, let's say, given the mandate as... KSP,
[00:29:33] the Head of Presidential Staff can dare to and have the heart to carry out
[00:29:37] the wiretapping, there must be motives that are not just personal motives,
[00:29:40] there must be a bigger motive, whether it's political motives and so on, I think this is what needs
[00:29:43] to be deepened and investigated thoroughly In the meantime,
[00:29:47] the Secretary General of the Democratic Party
[00:29:50] Herman Hairon assessed that the wiretapping
[00:29:53] against President Prabowo could not stand alone because
[00:29:57] it involved a number of aspects, ranging from technology policy to the parties who
[00:30:01] carried out the operation. Fully handing over the disclosure
[00:30:04] of this case to law enforcement and hoping that the investigation
[00:30:07] runs professionally and
[00:30:09] transparently.
[00:30:13] Yes, hopefully later
[00:30:16] the police can reveal it yes and of course the most
[00:30:19] important thing is for what is that wiretapping for
[00:30:23] and at whose command?
[00:30:26] what is the interest? Well, these are the questions that I think
[00:30:29] will be processed. tested by
[00:30:33] the police and of course until today we respect that process
[00:30:36] do not assume and hopefully law enforcement
[00:30:40] can be carried out
[00:30:44] as strictly as possible and in a
[00:30:47] transparent and professional manner so as to provide
[00:30:50] peace to all citizens of the country.
[00:30:54] Former Chairman of the Ombudsman Harry Susanto was sentenced to 5
[00:30:57] years in prison in the publication case.