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[00:00:00] Mr. President and a number of ministers and
[00:00:03] a number of politicians, so I don't know yet whether the vice
[00:00:06] president was also wiretapped or
[00:00:08] not.
[00:00:11] Mr. Adi, Vice President Gibran is not on the list of wiretapped people. What is your political
[00:00:15] reading? Well, first of all, of course, we have to wait for the
[00:00:19] official release list, which was revealed by the Criminal Investigation Unit, of course,
[00:00:22] because what is circulating on social media is assumptive
[00:00:26] and speculative. Of course, I also hope that it doesn't lead to
[00:00:30] wild predictions. At least there is already a list
[00:00:34] of who is on the wiretapped list, Silvia,
[00:00:37] so that there are no attempts to pit people against each other. Who then
[00:00:41] should not be? And second, Yusril's statement is interesting.
[00:00:44] Wallahu alam, there is a follow-up. Wallahu alam. So
[00:00:48] only God and Allah know everything. If
[00:00:53] wiretap Mr. Yusril were to continue, only God and the perpetrators would know the motive.
[00:00:56] Isn't that it? This is a diplomatic statement from someone like Mr. Prabowo. He probably
[00:01:00] knows a lot, but he doesn't seem to want to preempt the investigation that
[00:01:04] is currently being developed. So in this context, but isn't it strange if
[00:01:08] the president is wiretapped, the chairman of a political party is wiretapped, a member of Commission
[00:01:11] 3 of the DPR is wiretapped, but the vice president escapes?
[00:01:15] Well, if you ask ordinary people like farmers like me, it's a bit
[00:01:18] strange, Silvia, because if we want to talk about public officials from
[00:01:22] top to bottom, the president, vice president, all officials
[00:01:26] or parties, ministers, that's how the story goes. Even if you want
[00:01:30] all in, the chairmen of all parties,
[00:01:33] all businessmen, even the 26-hour Madura stall owner
[00:01:36] should also be wiretapped, if that's the case, or
[00:01:40] activists for democracy, media friends, maybe Silvia is also
[00:01:43] wiretapped, be careful, especially since her
[00:01:47] phone is smart. That's what I think
[00:01:50] is a bit strange because no matter what, in the midst of
[00:01:54] our quite open democracy, things like this
[00:01:57] will be very easy to access, Silvia. Therefore,
[00:02:00] our society now doesn't need to be experts to see something
[00:02:04] odd. If it's not applied to all public
[00:02:08] officials in this country, there must be something, there
[00:02:11] is something. That's what needs to be revealed by the investigation
[00:02:14] carried out by the Criminal Investigation Unit, of course.
[00:02:18] If we look from the outside, it will be assumptive,
[00:02:21] predictive, things that need to be accounted for,
[00:02:25] right? But if it has gone through an investigation
[00:02:28] process, it will be clearly detailed
[00:02:32] what is the meaning related to things
[00:02:35] that are wiretapped and things that are not wiretapped. Maybe there are
[00:02:39] many wiretapped people, Silvia, who are not like in Metro TV, whose numbers
[00:02:42] might only be 30 or 40. Maybe there are many, but
[00:02:46] they are not exposed. That's the importance of actually listing
[00:02:50] and if possible, openly upgrading who is actually wiretapped in that context. Okay, before
[00:02:53] or after Mr.
[00:02:57] Yusril's statement
[00:03:00] or wallahu alam, like that, right? But then
[00:03:03] the next day, it was confirmed that there were indications leading
[00:03:07] to treason, as we heard together in the first
[00:03:10] segment. Mr. Kurnia, there is actually a follow-up when Coordinating Minister
[00:03:13] Yusril said that the motive for this wiretapping was aimed at a party
[00:03:18] The highest leader in this country, the president, as that wanted the Prabowo through a post on his diction used to be to paralyze
[00:03:22] sir, because what we hear is that more the president. But of course, this is still being investigated further, right? But
[00:03:25] the question is, does the palace already know exactly
[00:03:28] who is the party that wants to paralyze this president?
[00:03:32] Yes, regarding who
[00:03:35] wants to paralyze the government, that is what
[00:03:39] is being investigated, and factually, today there are already four people
[00:03:43] as suspects, suspects for
[00:03:47] One person, who was wiretapped, when it was the articles charged by the National Police's Criminal Investigation Unit, and then
[00:03:50] Mr. Prasetyo Hadi and also
[00:03:54] Coordinating Minister Yusril stated that there were indications
[00:03:57] leading to Article 19.
[00:04:04] Ms. Silvia, in one of the elements of Article
[00:04:07] 1991 of the Criminal Code is the act
[00:04:10] of a person who causes the president and
[00:04:13] or vice president to be unable to run
[00:04:16] the government. Of course, I want to draw
[00:04:19] a red thread in the context of this illegal wiretapping
[00:04:22] being carried out for a period of 1 year, and
[00:04:26] the object of this illegal wiretapping is the president, as
[00:04:29] explained technically
[00:04:32] how it works, the
[00:04:35] voice recordings, the messages, are known. Who called,
[00:04:38] who was called, the time is
[00:04:41] clear. Of course, if the conversations are at the level of the President of the Republic
[00:04:45] of Indonesia, those conversations are certainly strategic,
[00:04:49] important, secret. Therefore, it is not
[00:04:52] impossible that the information obtained contains
[00:04:55] very important conversations, and
[00:04:58] those conversations, if known by many
[00:05:03] is needed for communication parties, have the potential to disrupt the stability
[00:05:06] of the government. Therefore, what Mr. Prasetyo Hadi
[00:05:10] and Mr. Yusril said is certainly something
[00:05:13] that makes a lot of sense when
[00:05:16] there is an escalation not only related to
[00:05:20] illegal access, wiretapping, deleting evidence,
[00:05:23] but these conversations, if
[00:05:26] known by many parties, will lead to the next
[00:05:29] level, namely the crime of treason. That is what
[00:05:33] is also being investigated by colleagues in the police. Okay, to
[00:05:36] investigate this, Mr. Rubi, the data must be complete. Meanwhile, what we have
[00:05:40] heard, besides illegal tapping and also illegal access,
[00:05:43] four suspects are also suspected of trying to delete electronic
[00:05:46] evidence. Now, the question is, can
[00:05:50] the data, let's say the data has been deleted, be restored, Mr. Rubi?
[00:05:53] Yes, so if we refer
[00:05:56] to Mr. Eskrim's statement that the perpetrators
[00:06:00] tried to delete
[00:06:03] log files, sir. So log files and
[00:06:07] wiretapping results are two different things. Log files
[00:06:10] contain who accessed, when,
[00:06:13] and what was accessed. And
[00:06:15] under whose authority or permission.
[00:06:19] While the content of the wiretap is
[00:06:23] the content of the wiretap, which is different from the log. Well, hopefully
[00:06:26] only the log itself was deleted, but even if the log
[00:06:30] is deleted, the
[00:06:33] LIMS is with the operator, while they
[00:06:36] access and do all
[00:06:39] their tapping remotely using the monitoring
[00:06:42] center system. Well, we can
[00:06:45] be sure that the monitoring center owned by the police
[00:06:49] has the capability
[00:06:52] to perform a comprehensive digital forensic
[00:06:55] process to be able to optimally recover the data.
[00:06:59] Whatever technique they use, there are
[00:07:02] many recovery techniques that can maximize
[00:07:06] recovery, but there are buts. If
[00:07:09] advanced techniques are used for deletion
[00:07:13] by certain people, then recovery
[00:07:17] will not be possible. But there are still many
[00:07:20] other workarounds. From my perspective,
[00:07:24] besides the monitoring center, the LIMS must have backup
[00:07:27] data that backs up all those
[00:07:31] data. So even if the log is deleted, it doesn't mean it can't be recovered here, but there is backup
[00:07:35] data like that. Well, as Mr. Susno said earlier, this LIMS
[00:07:39] system, by
[00:07:42] default, audit trails are a
[00:07:45] must because this is a process
[00:07:48] of collecting sensitive
[00:07:51] information and it must be
[00:07:55] legal and lawful. Therefore,
[00:07:58] it must be ensured that audit trail logs are
[00:08:02] indeed difficult or impossible to delete
[00:08:05] so easily. So there must
[00:08:09] be layering in how to do it.
[00:08:15] Okay, is it possible to wiretap so many people,
[00:08:18] the president, then
[00:08:21] ministers, there are also members of the DPR,
[00:08:24] then chairmen of political parties, mass organizations,
[00:08:27] NGOs, media? Does it require
[00:08:31] many personnel or how,
[00:08:34] than four people who are now suspects have been investigated. Okay, this tool started
[00:08:38] working about 3 months after I became the Head of the Criminal
[00:08:41] Investigation Unit. This tool purchased
[00:08:44] by the state has
[00:08:47] rules, namely tools that can be called
[00:08:51] by the expert, Mr. Rubi, the IT expert.
[00:08:54] Yes,
[00:08:56] there is an operator for this.
[00:09:00] wiretapped, and so on, is in the log file.
[00:09:04] So, what was deleted? Was it the
[00:09:08] monitoring results that were typed and entered, or what is here?
[00:09:11] If it's here, all the tools provided by the government, whatever
[00:09:15] the system, there is
[00:09:18] something used for audit.
[00:09:21] This has been made by the factory to secure it, whether used
[00:09:25] by the police, KPK, BIN,
[00:09:28] prosecutor's office, BNN,
[00:09:31] especially to be audited. What does audited mean? It means
[00:09:35] the police's tool for wiretapping how many,
[00:09:38] on what date, when, and so on.
[00:09:41] Just match it. Everything is recorded here, sir. Yes, here
[00:09:45] this item records it. Just match it. The wiretapping on that date
[00:09:49] was with whose permission? Where is the police report?
[00:09:53] What are the results, and so on and so forth. It's
[00:09:57] possible. That's why I once said that tracing this
[00:10:01] item is the easiest. There are many experts.
[00:10:04] Then there is an electronic trail. Okay, so
[00:10:07] what requires special expertise, what the great police
[00:10:11] or great investigators can do is trace and
[00:10:14] catch in a short time clothesline thieves
[00:10:18] or lost sandal thieves, which is incredibly
[00:10:21] difficult. But for this, there's an electronic trail. Sir, but why
[00:10:25] does it have to involve so many stars? Sir, these stars
[00:10:29] are not related to what do you call it, wiretapping,
[00:10:31] but related to
[00:10:34] the needs of the wiretap results.
[00:10:37] Now, perhaps the question arises, what is this for?
[00:10:40] We are confident that it is not difficult
[00:10:44] for the new Chief of Police, who is truly serious, to
[00:10:47] trace this, and I am sure that the police
[00:10:50] have already found a bright spot where this data is flowing.
[00:10:54] Okay, it's definitely not flowing to Ms. Silvia. Where it's flowing
[00:10:58] is what we will discuss shortly. Viewers, stay tuned for more controversy.
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[00:12:52] Because from the results of the
[00:12:55] what do you call it, the leak from the source,
[00:12:59] the product of this wiretapping
[00:13:02] product, the final product, reached
[00:13:05] Solo, so whatever these people
[00:13:09] will do, they already know the direction
[00:13:12] of everything and how to disrupt
[00:13:15] it. That will
[00:13:19] appear in court, it will appear in
[00:13:21] court.
[00:13:27] Mas Adi, yes, was this
[00:13:30] wiretapping streamed
[00:13:34] or deposited in Solo?
[00:13:37] Silvia, don't ask me difficult questions.
[00:13:39] Well, Mr. Mahfud should explain this,
[00:13:43] because someone like Mr. Mahfud must have a lot of information.
[00:13:46] Just politically logically, Mr. Adi? Yes, as an ordinary person, it's a bit difficult
[00:13:50] for me to explain explicitly.
[00:13:54] But assumptions and suspicions
[00:13:57] actually lead to conclusions, but the public doesn't want to be
[00:14:01] as open as Prof. Mahfud MD. Mr. Mahfud is always full throttle,
[00:14:04] no brakes, because as of today, it is very
[00:14:08] risky if you are identified as mentioning certain parties.
[00:14:12] Of course, there is a fear of being reported, violating the NTE law and so on.
[00:14:16] But generally, this is considered part
[00:14:19] of how the public already has a conclusion. In the media, I think
[00:14:23] people are already talking about the "end of all this. So
[00:14:26] the parties who are currently, for example, identified
[00:14:30] as being involved in the illegal wiretapping issue
[00:14:33] are linked to whom, which faction, this gang, that gang, and so on and so
[00:14:37] forth. For me, if we want to take an average
[00:14:41] generally, as Mr. Prabowo said, whoever
[00:14:44] he is, if he violates the law,
[00:14:47] he must be executed. If he violates the law, he must be prosecuted, no
[00:14:51] matter who he is, and then commits acts
[00:14:55] that are clearly illegal. There have been many political events that have occurred
[00:14:58] in the last month, Mr. Adi, including
[00:15:02] the Constitutional Court's decision, the Supreme Court's
[00:15:05] decision, and then related to the certificate
[00:15:08] of equivalence, Gibran's diploma. Then we
[00:15:12] saw that the Vice President also was not on the list of wiretapped people.
[00:15:16] In your opinion, are these political events intertwined
[00:15:19] with each other? Well, of course, nothing happens in a vacuum.
[00:15:23] Every political process, whatever it is, is intertwined
[00:15:27] and then sewn by the public that this is one event
[00:15:31] that is indeed related to each other, but no one
[00:15:34] dares to vulgarly define the end of all
[00:15:37] this. Who is in control of this
[00:15:41] game? Who then gives instructions and orders, including
[00:15:45] whether there is a third party who actually wants to
[00:15:47] exploit A1 information related to this wiretapping? As of today,
[00:15:50] no one can explicitly
[00:15:54] reveal that, because of the fear of being reported, Silvia, because
[00:15:57] of the fear of actions being linked to legal
[00:16:00] issues. The only thing awaited is the development
[00:16:03] of the investigation conducted by the Criminal Investigation Unit. Actually,
[00:16:07] who is involved in this, that's what's actually awaited. But
[00:16:11] assumptions, suspicions, predictions,
[00:16:14] I think you just need to quote them on social media, where I think everyone
[00:16:18] is already vocal in speaking up, but they never
[00:16:21] mention who the person is, who the actor is, and who the party is. Well,
[00:16:25] Mr. Mahfud's statement is just one of the signs that
[00:16:28] seems to confirm that the public actually
[00:16:31] tends to agree with what Mr. Mahfud said, right? That's what I called
[00:16:35] public statements on social media. Okay, all this information must
[00:16:39] have also been caught by the palace, heard by the president
[00:16:43] too. The president must also receive reports, where this is going,
[00:16:47] what the motive is. Maybe the palace circle knows earlier
[00:16:50] than us, but has the president
[00:16:53] taken a stance from that, is there
[00:16:56] a clear political stance on how to
[00:16:59] respond to all these intertwined political events, Mr. Kurdi? Yes, the president
[00:17:03] places this issue
[00:17:07] on the track of law enforcement. So today
[00:17:10] there are criminal acts proven
[00:17:14] by the naming of four people as suspects, and
[00:17:17] the president's directive to the Chief of Police is to investigate
[00:17:20] thoroughly, develop this case
[00:17:24] according to the statements of the suspects and witnesses.
[00:17:28] Today we heard a statement from
[00:17:31] the National Police Public Relations who regularly informed of the progress,
[00:17:35] there are 13 witnesses
[00:17:38] examined, there are five experts, three related
[00:17:42] to IT experts and two criminal experts.
[00:17:45] Of course, with the statements of witnesses and experts,
[00:17:49] four people have been named as suspects,
[00:17:52] because Ms. Silvia, the concern of the president and
[00:17:55] also the government, is that every citizen
[00:17:58] when communicating has a privacy
[00:18:02] space protected by law.
[00:18:06] "Our rights are classified
[00:18:09] as human rights. Therefore, when
[00:18:13] there is an illegal interception, especially
[00:18:16] if carried out by law enforcement officials of the highest
[00:18:20] police leadership, it must be dealt with firmly.
[00:18:24] That's it, Ms. Silvia. Well, Mr. Susno, so that this doesn't become a wild ball
[00:18:28] or just political assumptions that then
[00:18:30] spread everywhere, is the key
[00:18:34] in law enforcement, that investigators must reveal
[00:18:38] this clearly, what the motive is, who
[00:18:40] ordered it, where this wiretapped data flowed?
[00:18:44] Does all that have to be revealed transparently to the public? Yes, yes, that's very good.
[00:18:48] The Chief of Police just stated that this legal process will be processed
[00:18:51] thoroughly.
[00:18:55] Mr. Kurnia said earlier, has clearly stated,
[00:18:58] "Investigate this legally and thoroughly." So
[00:19:02] what the public expects, where the flow goes,
[00:19:06] who uses it, and so on, if it is processed
[00:19:09] legally and juridically, everything will be revealed.
[00:19:13] Everything will be revealed, and let's be patient. And this
[00:19:16] hopefully will be the best lesson,
[00:19:19] meaning for all institutions that
[00:19:23] use tools like this, whatever
[00:19:37] country. Why is it a good lesson?
[00:19:40] Because what was uncovered by the police,
[00:19:44] yes, by the new Chief of Police, uncovering
[00:19:46] this, it was revealed that
[00:19:50] the wiretapping as Mr. Kurnia
[00:19:53] said earlier, has been going on for years, already 2 years.
[00:19:57] The Head of the Criminal Investigation Unit also stated 2 years. Well, this is the best lesson
[00:20:00] for us. Well, why could our president
[00:20:04] be wiretapped for 2 years? Second,
[00:20:08] remember, this is not the first time a president has been wiretapped. We have experienced
[00:20:11] three presidents being wiretapped, President BJ Habibie's conversation
[00:20:15] with the Attorney General at that time.
[00:20:18] Second, our president, whether proven or not, but with the first lady,
[00:20:22] Mr. SBY was also wiretapped. Now, it's
[00:20:25] time for us to learn to secure it. I
[00:20:28] am sure Mr. Kurnia
[00:20:32] has a message, it is necessary to audit
[00:20:35] these items. Okay, well, and a security system
[00:20:41] regarding the tool, not security in terms of
[00:20:44] the speech system, Mr. Kurdi, but the tool itself.
[00:20:47] The tool, right, Mr.?
[00:20:50] To trace exactly when this wiretapping
[00:20:53] was done, or if it was done more
[00:20:57] than a year ago, because old
[00:21:00] videos are also circulating that seem to indicate
[00:21:43] as many channels as provided by the LIMS operator. So
[00:21:46] the point is that data to see
[00:21:50] when it first happened, when an illegal
[00:21:53] wiretap occurred, by whom,
[00:21:56] and to what target can be seen
[00:21:59] as long as the data is still in the system.
[00:22:03] The way LIMS works is different from Pegasus. This has been widely
[00:22:06] discussed, right? Compared to LIMS with Pegasus, which is said to be from
[00:22:10] Israel. Mr. Rubi will answer later.
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[00:23:53] Viewers, the sixth president of the Republic of Indonesia, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, expressed
[00:23:57] his concern about the current political situation
[00:24:00] following the alleged illegal wiretapping case involving former Chief of Police
[00:24:04] General Listyo Sigit
[00:24:07] X account. SBY expressed his concern that this case
[00:24:11] would make the public feel unsafe in their own country.
[00:24:14] SBY also conveyed a special message to President Prabowo
[00:24:18] Subianto. He asked the President to revive
[00:24:22] civilized
[00:24:23] politics.
[00:24:30] Well, since this is the last segment of Controversy
[00:24:33] today, perhaps I will first continue to Mr. Rubi
[00:24:37] regarding the difference between LIMS and
[00:24:40] Pegasus and how to prevent
[00:24:43] our tools, which were bought with public
[00:24:47] money, from being misused, Mr. Rubi.
[00:24:51] The difference is that LIMS is placed
[00:24:54] with the operator, so all
[00:24:58] GSM network data in the form of
[00:25:01] voice, SMS, and IP data
[00:25:04] is in LIMS, but the target is
[00:25:08] checked only by phone number. But the difference is that with
[00:25:11] spyware, without LIMS, without
[00:25:15] the help of an operator, the target
[00:25:17] can be anyone and any kind of
[00:25:21] smartphone. The most fundamental difference
[00:25:24] is that Pegasus can
[00:25:28] wiretap everything. Whatever is on the phone
[00:25:32] is not just phone communication. It can
[00:25:36] also, if the phone is infected with Pegasus,
[00:25:40] the microphone here can be
[00:25:43] remotely activated to listen to conversations
[00:25:46] directly and record them and
[00:25:50] save them on the server. So Pegasus is extremely
[00:25:53] what exactly is it? Physically it is
[00:25:56] a high-level spyware application
[00:25:59] made by the state of Israel.
[00:26:02] How does it get into a phone? If it's Lims, it's put into the monitoring center,
[00:26:06] then thrown to Lims and to the operator. If
[00:26:09] it's Pegasus, it's thrown from a monitoring center too, but without
[00:26:12] needing Lims. It's targeted,
[00:26:16] a phone number will be sent something.
[00:26:19] That something can be random, it can be various things, then
[00:26:22] that something will enter our phone. In Indonesia, is there, what, is there not
[00:26:26] Pegasus in Indonesia? There are
[00:26:29] many, there are many. Then
[00:26:32] after it's installed, now, for Pegasus and
[00:26:36] other brands, the most common one
[00:26:39] is single click. Now, single
[00:26:42] click means if spyware is installed remotely, the user
[00:26:46] has to interact, has to click on any display.
[00:26:49] But Pegasus is one of the highest, it has a product called
[00:26:53] zero click. So without clicking, anyone's
[00:26:56] phone can be accessed. Yes. Because time is limited, I have to move on, Mr.
[00:27:00] Rubi, but thank you for the explanation.
[00:27:02] Yes, Mr. Kurnia, with the fact
[00:27:05] that there was eavesdropping done in the palace
[00:27:08] circles, as Mr. SB said, this seems to be very far from
[00:27:12] our civilized culture as a nation
[00:27:15] and a state, right? Will there be
[00:27:19] recalibration in the palace environment soon so that incidents
[00:27:22] like this do not happen again? Yes, there will definitely be
[00:27:26] an evaluation, perpetrators who commit criminal acts will
[00:27:29] be prosecuted and things that... This
[00:27:33] will be treated as a criminal event and
[00:27:35] will be investigated further and the system and
[00:27:39] so on will be improved. That's the first thing, Ms. Hasil. Then the second thing is that this
[00:27:43] event sends a message
[00:27:46] that law enforcement is not
[00:27:49] discriminatory. No matter how many stars are on the
[00:27:53] shoulders of law enforcement officers, if there is a deviation, they will
[00:27:57] be processed by law. The president once
[00:27:59] stated that
[00:28:03] law enforcement officers must be aware that the stars on their shoulders
[00:28:06] come from the people's money, so do not betray
[00:28:10] the people. Lastly, Ms. Silvia, in today's law
[00:28:14] enforcement, it is widely discussed by the public,
[00:28:17] as stated by the National Police Chief, the Minister of State
[00:28:20] Secretariat, that this law enforcement
[00:28:23] does not affect public services in
[00:28:27] the National Police institution, and two, it does not
[00:28:29] disturb security at all. In all regions
[00:28:33] of Indonesia, as stated by the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, security in
[00:28:37] Indonesia is very much under control. Okay, thank
[00:28:41] you, Mr. Kurnia. Finally, maybe Mr. Adi can be brief about
[00:28:44] whether there needs to be recalibration of the president's
[00:28:47] aides to prevent or even to
[00:28:50] clean the palace of individuals who are playing dirty or playing
[00:28:54] both sides? Yes, I think the president will conduct
[00:28:57] a total evaluation, so that this does not
[00:29:00] happen like a donkey falling into the same hole for the second time. But for
[00:29:04] me, in principle, we often hear political speeches from President Prabowo
[00:29:08] Subianto so that law enforcement officials
[00:29:11] immediately reform themselves. If they are still deviating,
[00:29:14] crooked, ragged, as the president said, they will definitely be prosecuted
[00:29:18] and dismissed. It used to be a source of jokes, it was considered
[00:29:22] empty talk, it was considered something ridiculous, but if
[00:29:26] we look at law enforcement in the 2 years of Mr. Prabowo's administration, it is not
[00:29:29] discriminatory. People who were once appreciated with... a good performance in their positions, former
[00:29:32] National Police Chief, then
[00:29:36] what's his name, the head of special crimes, then also the head of BGN and many other
[00:29:40] examples, what does that mean? This is an iron law related to
[00:29:44] law enforcement, so whoever you are, if you are acting strangely and deviating,
[00:29:48] just wait for the time. That's how it is, let's see how this ends and whether the Police can truly
[00:29:51] apa dan apakah Poli betul-betul bisa mengupas tuntas mengungkap
[00:29:55] you, Mr. Adik, Mr. Masno, then
[00:29:59] Mr. Rubi and also Mr. Kurnia. Viewers, that concludes today's controversy.