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[00:00:50] Check carefully those mobile phones that have been confiscated,
[00:00:54] privacy is a constitutional right with whom Sigit spoke, what was discussed.
[00:00:57] From there, it will be seen, "oh... it turns out that
[00:01:00] Indonesia's darkness is a product
[00:01:04] of this wiretapping,
[00:01:07] fleeing abroad is a product of this wiretapping.
[00:01:10] Well, if that
[00:01:14] can be obtained,
[00:01:17] it is very logical and very solid construction that
[00:01:20] this is absolutely treason."
[00:01:24] Regarding the possibility of other actors being
[00:01:27] dragged in, the Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, Imipa.
[00:01:32] But perhaps he meant anyone,
[00:01:34] not limited to certain people,
[00:01:38] but we cannot a priori say
[00:01:42] this or that, it's better to let investigations
[00:01:46] and inquiries proceed to reveal
[00:01:48] the facts whoever is involved will
[00:01:51] certainly be asked for information first until there is
[00:01:55] a conclusion from the investigators whether the case
[00:01:58] only stops at the
[00:02:02] investigation level for certain people, or whether
[00:02:05] it needs to be escalated to the investigative level, that
[00:02:08] we leave entirely to the investigators who
[00:02:12] are indeed given the freedom to carry out their
[00:02:14] duties and responsibilities.
[00:02:17] Although information about the motive for wiretapping is still very limited, political
[00:02:21] observer Adi Prayitno believes that this silent operation, which
[00:02:24] has been ongoing since 2025, aims
[00:02:27] to disrupt the president's work. If we may quote what
[00:02:31] was said by Mr. Yusil,
[00:02:34] it is possible that this wiretapping was done as an effort to
[00:02:38] cripple the government, to cripple the president
[00:02:41] so that the president would not be able to fully carry out his
[00:02:45] government, and that means there were efforts to do
[00:02:49] things that were meant to prevent the president from
[00:02:52] maximally and fully carrying
[00:02:54] think the accusation out his government. Previously, people in the palace
[00:02:58] circle, such as [name], believed that this wiretapping was a strong signal
[00:03:02] of an attempted coup. Even former Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs
[00:03:05] Mahfud MD also suspected that the wiretap results were not only used
[00:03:09] by Listyo alone but flowed to certain parties. Metro
[00:03:13] TV News
[00:03:14] Team.
[00:03:17] National Police Chief General Suyudi Arioseto stated that the handling of the illegal
[00:03:21] wiretapping case is purely a law enforcement process and is not related to
[00:03:25] competition or certain interests within the institution.
[00:03:29] The National Police Chief also asked all ranks to remain focused
[00:03:32] on maintaining security
[00:03:33] and public order.
[00:03:36] The arrest of several
[00:03:39] police officers related to the
[00:03:42] wiretapping case that we are
[00:03:45] currently handling, and this
[00:03:49] certainly
[00:03:52] needs to be a lesson for all of us.
[00:03:54] And
[00:03:57] we want the police to remain solid,
[00:04:01] to remain a pillar
[00:04:03] of society, and we are confident that at
[00:04:07] this time, the police are very solid, and
[00:04:11] of course, for all members throughout Indonesia
[00:04:14] to continue working well, carrying out
[00:04:18] their duties to maintain public order and always
[00:04:21] be with the community according to our slogan, our collective slogan,
[00:04:24] which is the police with the community, and we
[00:04:28] assure you that all of this... is purely in the form of law
[00:04:31] enforcement that has no connection
[00:04:34] with competition or
[00:04:37] anything, but this is purely for the good
[00:04:41] of the police institution that we love, in order
[00:04:44] to provide service and protection to the nation's people.
[00:04:48] Viewers, the alleged wiretapping by three high-ranking police officers is not just about
[00:04:51] individual criminal acts, but also concerns state security, the integrity
[00:04:55] of law enforcement institutions, and even the safety of the head
[00:04:58] of state. We will discuss it with former Deputy Chief of Police for the
[00:05:01] 2013-2014 period, Commissioner General (ret.) Ugroh
[00:05:04] Senova Ugroh. Good
[00:05:05] evening.
[00:05:09] Good evening, Mas Iqbal. And well,
[00:05:13] then there is the chairman of Gibranisti, Taufiq Bil Fakih. Mas Taufiq,
[00:05:16] how are you?
[00:05:19] Bilfakih, Mas Taufiq, how
[00:05:21] are you?
[00:05:24] Good, alhamdulillah, thank you Mas Iqbal, and also there is constitutional
[00:05:28] law expert Herdian Syah Hamzah. Bang Herdi, good
[00:05:31] evening. Good evening, Mas
[00:05:35] Iqbal. Okay, I want to go to Mas Taufiq first. Mas Taufiq,
[00:05:39] this has certainly circulated, a snippet from Mbah Food's podcast.
[00:05:43] And also, some have linked this alleged wiretapping case to
[00:05:46] certain interests, one of whom is Mr. Mahfud, who said
[00:05:50] the wiretap results flowed to Solo. I want to ask for your
[00:05:53] response as a volunteer,
[00:05:55] Mas.
[00:05:58] Taufiq, thank you. Mr. Mahfud MD, I think, must also be accountable for
[00:06:02] his statement. But what is clear is that basically
[00:06:06] any accusation or assumption or any framing that is then
[00:06:09] directed at Solo, in this case, Mr. Jokowi, we
[00:06:13] firmly and strongly reject. And we
[00:06:15] appreciate what the National Police Chief and his ranks have done.
[00:06:19] And we should all have the same understanding and
[00:06:23] perspective that this crime must then be thoroughly
[00:06:26] investigated, and we should hand it over to the police,
[00:06:29] not then start with accusations that, in our
[00:06:33] opinion, have gone too far. And what should not be forgotten
[00:06:37] is that it's actually too cheap if
[00:06:41] wiretapping of the president, of the number one person in
[00:06:44] this republic who has the power to make certain policies and
[00:06:48] strategies, is then thrown at local political figures,
[00:06:52] whether it's, say, a former president or perhaps
[00:06:55] users in Indonesia. For me, this
[00:06:58] must also involve something much bigger, because it's impossible
[00:07:02] if you just wiretap the president and then give it to
[00:07:05] figures who are actually also, in terms of
[00:07:09] hierarchy, no longer active. Moreover, given the type of
[00:07:12] leadership Mr. Jokowi has shown as president, and even until
[00:07:16] he retires, we believe and we also ensure that he is not
[00:07:20] the type of person who intervenes in state institutions,
[00:07:23] and even with his current position, it would be very
[00:07:27] naive if he were to intervene with his former subordinate,
[00:07:30] the National Police Chief, to then take actions
[00:07:33] leading to treason. Moreover, Mr. Lsp
[00:07:37] had already started the wiretapping incident
[00:07:40] since 2025, where Mr. Jokowi is an element
[00:07:44] or public figure who even gave support not only to
[00:07:47] Prabowo Gibran but also invited
[00:07:50] his volunteers to say, "Let's not only oversee this government,
[00:07:54] but even, if necessary, for two terms." This means that in
[00:07:57] 2025, Mr. Jokowi, up until now, has remained
[00:08:01] consistent in providing moral support and spiritual support
[00:08:04] to this government. So, I
[00:08:07] made by Mr. Mahfud is excessive, and he should
[00:08:11] be held accountable for it. I think that's it. Especially now, it's not just the president
[00:08:14] who was wiretapped, but also state officials, political figures, and
[00:08:18] businessmen, Mas Taufiq. Now, have you ever, since volunteers often interact
[00:08:22] with Mr. Jokowi, have you ever heard him say he felt he was
[00:08:26] a victim of wiretapping, or has he ever felt
[00:08:29] he was wiretapped, Mas Taufiq?
[00:08:32] As for Mr. Jokowi, I think he's someone who has been wiretapped since he was
[00:08:36] governor. Even after he became governor and then
[00:08:39] president, he admitted to being wiretapped, only his expression
[00:08:43] was not the same as many other heads of state
[00:08:46] and also the elite, who I think he remained calm and
[00:08:50] even joked at times because there was nothing problematic
[00:08:53] with him. He was not afraid of being wiretapped, even because there was nothing he
[00:08:57] was hiding. So, I think, uh, the last time
[00:09:01] we communicated with Mr. Jokowi, including today, we are at
[00:09:04] the high court, uh, the district court in East Jakarta, accompanying
[00:09:07] him. Yeah, we just laughed at the circulating
[00:09:11] information that seemed to point fingers at Mr. Jokowi.
[00:09:14] But the question is, was Mr. Jokowi also a target
[00:09:18] of LSP's operation or Matua Pres? Well, I think
[00:09:21] we'll just have to wait for the police
[00:09:25] investigation, even though it has been indirectly
[00:09:28] conveyed by Mr. Yusril that, uh, Mas
[00:09:31] Gibran and Mr. Jokowi's names have not, as of yet, been mentioned
[00:09:35] like the others. So for us, no matter what, whether Mr. Jokowi
[00:09:39] is an object of wiretapping or not,
[00:09:42] basically, we still support what is currently
[00:09:45] being investigated by our colleagues in the police. I think that's it, brother.
[00:09:48] Okay, good. Moreover, we still remember that in December
[00:09:51] 2013, it was suspected that there were three
[00:09:55] wiretapping devices in Governor Jokowi's house at that time. Now, Mr.
[00:09:58] Ugro, this is if we look
[00:10:02] at the authority to wiretap, which means that if it's
[00:10:05] according to procedure, there are rules, there is
[00:10:08] supervision, there is monitoring, so this shouldn't happen like
[00:10:12] this, sir. It even targets the head of state. Now, in 2023,
[00:10:15] we once heard that Mr. Jokowi, while still serving as president,
[00:10:19] could get intelligence information, and that was
[00:10:22] also obtained from, like,
[00:10:26] from BIN, from police intelligence, TNI intelligence, there's BICE, and
[00:10:30] information beyond that, including survey data, everything is there.
[00:10:33] So, what is the limit for this wiretapping, Mr.
[00:10:37] Ugro?
[00:10:41] Yes, so the wiretapping carried
[00:10:44] out by the three senior police
[00:10:48] officers who are now detained, three people, namely
[00:10:51] one central and two two-star generals, and is currently being developed,
[00:10:55] uh, I started from Article 258
[00:10:58] of the Criminal Procedure Code. It states in paragraph
[00:11:02] 1 that it is
[00:11:06] not that easy to conduct wiretapping. So, a person
[00:11:09] is not, no citizen should be wiretapped, whoever they are, they should not
[00:11:13] be wiretapped. If it is disseminated, that is
[00:11:16] also prohibited, the results of the wiretap. The third thing is,
[00:11:19] if the wiretapping is legal, there are also rules.
[00:11:23] It must be related to a criminal act, meaning there must be a police
[00:11:26] report. Then, after there is a police report, for example, the case
[00:11:30] is, uh, then a letter of commencement of
[00:11:33] investigation is issued, uh, a notification of commencement of investigation (SPDP)
[00:11:37] and further with a letter of investigation order. Now,
[00:11:40] can all cases be subject to wiretapping? If all cases
[00:11:43] can be subject to wiretapping, the rules are also not clear. For example,
[00:11:47] does a pickpocket need to be wiretapped to find out where that pickpocket
[00:11:51] is? That's difficult. So, it should be certain criminal acts that can be wiretapped,
[00:11:55] like that. Now, back to the incident. If wiretapping is carried
[00:11:58] out against the head of state and several party leaders, then the motive
[00:12:02] must be revealed, you know. What is the motive
[00:12:06] of these wiretappers? Is it for their own interest,
[00:12:09] or for their group, or for the interest of others
[00:12:12] there, or perhaps if directed to something more serious, treason? If
[00:12:16] it's called treason, then we go back to Article 160
[00:12:19] of the Criminal Code, which is an attack that has
[00:12:23] been realized in the form of...
[00:12:25] preparations for actions that have been realized. Now, if this
[00:12:28] is linked to the act of preparing for actions that have been realized,
[00:12:31] is this wiretapping part of the preparation for
[00:12:35] actions that have been realized? But once again, where are the
[00:12:39] positions of these wiretappers in the police? If it's in the police,
[00:12:43] this incident happened after the person concerned was no longer the police chief,
[00:12:47] already outside. Then, if it's for their own interest, will
[00:12:50] they run for politics? Oh, I'm sorry,
[00:12:53] run for 2029? Or thirdly, to support
[00:12:57] whoever ordered it for 2029? That's how it is. This is interesting to analyze, so
[00:13:01] it's not just "oh, this wiretapping was done
[00:13:04] without involving other people." In my opinion,
[00:13:07] let's just speculate that
[00:13:10] there must be an interest again, their own interest
[00:13:14] or the interest of one party,
[00:13:17] or there is the interest of another party that also needs
[00:13:21] this information. So, once again, for me, this
[00:13:24] is an extraordinary achievement for Mr. Police Chief, General
[00:13:28] Suyudi, to be able to uncover this. And until now, I still
[00:13:31] appreciate this disclosure. In my opinion, it's an extraordinary
[00:13:35] step that the police have taken in 80 years, and
[00:13:39] during my 35 years and 2 months of service in the police,
[00:13:43] for me, once again, it's very extraordinary
[00:13:47] to be able to uncover this case. Thank you, Mr.
[00:13:50] Ugro, but I read an article, you
[00:13:53] were also wiretapped, according to the
[00:13:57] quote from this article.
[00:14:00] Yes, so this wiretapping
[00:14:03] can be used as a tool
[00:14:06] of pressure. So, all officials were surprised because I often appeared
[00:14:10] in several events related to Mr. Rawisyo
[00:14:13] or Dr. Tipa. So, I asked some of my juniors, "How are
[00:14:16] things? My problems." I said, "Hello, how about the police in
[00:14:20] the future? Are there any problems?" and so on.
[00:14:24] No one answered. Then, coincidentally, on August 21, 2026, there was a
[00:14:27] Struggle Day, so I came and met my juniors. They
[00:14:31] told me, "Excuse me, General, we cannot reply to WA messages or
[00:14:35] calls because all our phones are being monitored
[00:14:38] by the police chief." Wow, how can a three-star general be afraid of being monitored?
[00:14:41] Right? That's all. Don't be afraid, just open it
[00:14:44] up. That's how it is. So, once again, besides
[00:14:48] for, yes, Mr. Ub who was still serving
[00:14:51] as police chief, who? Oh yes, still
[00:14:55] serving. On August 21, 2006, Mr. LSW
[00:14:58] was still serving as police chief. Mr. Suyudi started on October
[00:15:02] 1, 2026.
[00:15:05] Hmm, okay. So, therefore, the motive is what's being questioned.
[00:15:08] If we look at the momentum, how is it, sir? Because we see the dynamics within
[00:15:12] the institution, there was a change in police chief, then there was also a large
[00:15:16] number of officials replaced. Then the reporting was also
[00:15:19] done at this momentum. How do you see that, Mr.
[00:15:22] Ugro? Yes, this issue,
[00:15:25] I also, we are friends, Mas. For example, I am friends
[00:15:28] with, for example, the
[00:15:32] former head of the KSP, who, uh, had a hobby
[00:15:36] of old vehicles, for example. I visited him because I wanted to congratulate him,
[00:15:39] and we had casual chats. "Uh,
[00:15:42] Mas, how is this? Information
[00:15:46] sometimes spreads quickly from here. Everyone is still
[00:15:49] confused why issues from around
[00:15:53] the president's inner circle can get out like that, right?"
[00:15:56] So, in my opinion, this incident
[00:15:59] was done, well, maybe if the president
[00:16:03] was still serving as Minister of Agriculture, he would also feel
[00:16:06] it, you know, but it hadn't spread widely
[00:16:10] or exploded like it has now, you know. Now, everyone is being
[00:16:14] wiretapped, not just the palace circle. So, for me,
[00:16:17] if this analysis can be studied with, with, uh,
[00:16:21] what, with the discussion about
[00:16:25] this wiretapping, it must be understood that from a constitutional
[00:16:28] perspective,
[00:16:31] guaranteed in the constitution. I believe Article 28G paragraph 1
[00:16:35] of the Constitution clearly states that the state guarantees that privacy.
[00:16:39] Even if we compare it with several international covenants, one
[00:16:43] of which is the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,
[00:16:46] the covenants on civil and political rights of society, Article
[00:16:49] 17 also clearly states that the right to privacy
[00:16:53] is an inviolable right and must be fully guaranteed
[00:16:57] by the state. Now, I think in the matter of wiretapping, we cannot
[00:17:00] just attribute it to the political elite, because if the ruling
[00:17:04] all is the political elite, I think it's not fair, because the issue of wiretapping
[00:17:08] is about the fundamental rights of citizens or the privacy rights of citizens.
[00:17:11] Let me give an example, Mas Iqbal. Until now,
[00:17:15] we have not found a release from the police regarding who
[00:17:19] exactly was explicitly wiretapped apart from Parbow
[00:17:21] and, uh, Seskaptedi, for example. We don't know that.
[00:17:25] Even though what we want is for this announcement to
[00:17:29] confirm that there was indeed abuse within the police force, there
[00:17:32] were illegal actions carried out by police officers who
[00:17:36] spied on their citizens, which clearly violated the
[00:17:39] constitution because it is a fundamental right of citizens. Secondly,
[00:17:43] I think these illegal actions confirm
[00:17:46] that the police until now are still
[00:17:50] a tool of power that is driven and used, as
[00:17:53] Mr. [name] said, as a tool of pressure. The bottom line
[00:17:57] is, if we talk about a tool of pressure, this actually leads
[00:18:01] to efforts to control opposition groups, for example. If we
[00:18:04] read the genealogy of Mr. Listyo Sigit, for example,
[00:18:08] because he was indeed appointed and worked for a long time with
[00:18:12] Mr. Jokowi, it is difficult to deny that there is a genealogical connection
[00:18:15] with Mr. Jokowi, but that is a political perspective. If we
[00:18:18] read the genes, it could be that because of the
[00:18:22] "split" between Mr. Jokowi and Mr. Prabowo, for example, the wiretapping
[00:18:26] issue also emerged and spread everywhere, even tending to be wild.
[00:18:29] For me, one thing is that if we talk about wiretapping,
[00:18:33] it should be placed in the concept of fundamental human
[00:18:36] rights that were actually violated by several high-ranking officers
[00:18:39] in the police. One, and second, these arbitrary
[00:18:42] actions prove that we still do not have
[00:18:46] law enforcement officers, an institution called the Indonesian
[00:18:49] National Police, that is professional. There is even a tendency,
[00:18:52] regardless of Mr. Suyudi's statement that this is purely a legal
[00:18:56] matter, I don't believe that because it is difficult
[00:18:59] to deny that this is not just a legal issue. There
[00:19:02] is a problematic situation where police officers are indeed
[00:19:06] unprofessional in carrying out their duties and functions,
[00:19:09] even tending to be over-abusive of citizens' fundamental rights.
[00:19:13] So, I actually feel that this is also
[00:19:16] a momentum for us to carry out or push for
[00:19:19] further reforms within the police institution with, uh, the
[00:19:23] facts that we have obtained in various cases. Okay, we'll continue
[00:19:27] later, because I also quoted Mr. Ugro who
[00:19:30] had stated that there was strong suspicion of an
[00:19:34] intellectual actor behind all the wiretapping cases. We will
[00:19:37] discuss this further, but we need to take a break first. Stay with us on Prime Time News.
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