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[00:00:00] the diploma was issued to one of the witnesses that's right, your Honor.
[00:00:03] There was a photo there, wasn't there? Witness,
[00:00:07] is that your photo or Dumatno Budi Utomo's photo?
[00:00:11] My photo, Your Honor. Why was Dumatno's photo
[00:00:14] displayed? Just your photo. Answer the public prosecutor's question
[00:00:18] in court. Jokowi affirmed that the photo on his
[00:00:22] illegal wiretapping carried S1 diploma was not someone else's photo,
[00:00:25] in this case, Dumatno Butomo's photo.
[00:01:00] We have presented evidence in the form of a diploma, and in court,
[00:01:03] Jokowi was also asked to explain the process of community service
[00:01:07] (KKN) when he was studying at Gadjah
[00:01:10] Mada University.
[00:01:12] Can you, Witness, explain
[00:01:15] to us about your community service
[00:01:19] process,
[00:01:19] Witness?
[00:01:24] Yes, the process was normal, Your Honor.
[00:01:27] So we were sent
[00:01:30] together with
[00:01:34] all students who
[00:01:37] would do KKN
[00:01:40] by the Institute for Community Service
[00:01:43] (LPM) of UGM
[00:01:46] to villages. And at that time,
[00:01:49] we were placed again in Ketoyan
[00:01:53] village, Wonogiri sub-district,
[00:01:57] Boyolali regency, Central Java province.
[00:02:00] Together
[00:02:04] with three people from the faculty of law,
[00:02:07] Ibu Hana, from
[00:02:09] the faculty of
[00:02:12] biology, Rincedwijaya, and
[00:02:15] from the faculty of engineering,
[00:02:18] Mr. Eko
[00:02:19] (deceased),
[00:02:22] we did KKN for 3
[00:02:27] provide other information for you, months. And during those 3 months,
[00:02:29] we... uh, carried out activities related
[00:02:33] to community affairs. What we did
[00:02:36] at that time was to make a writing
[00:02:40] of 10 what, 10 main programs
[00:02:43] of PKK, fix the writing of the musalla, the writing
[00:02:47] of the mosque that we updated, we rewrote
[00:02:50] and we made with different
[00:02:53] letters. And I
[00:02:56] passed KKN with
[00:03:00] an A grade, Your Honor. Meanwhile, the public prosecutor compared
[00:03:04] the photo on the diploma of the 7th President Joko Widodo with Jokowi's photo
[00:03:07] during his college
[00:03:09] days.
[00:03:13] Can you, sir,
[00:03:14] deliver the next one? Yes, this
[00:03:18] one first.
[00:03:20] Yes, that's right, this is your photo,
[00:03:23] Witness, that's right, Your Honor. Next to you, who is
[00:03:26] with you, Witness? Uh,
[00:03:29] at that time, my future wife.
[00:03:32] Next.
[00:03:34] Then,
[00:03:39] well, Witness, you can also
[00:03:42] see Jokowi's photos from his youth that
[00:03:46] were shown when he testified in the Roe Suryo trial.
[00:03:49] After being confirmed by the prosecutor, Jokowi admitted that the photos shown
[00:03:53] in this trial were his
[00:03:55] photos.
[00:04:00] Is this also your photo, Witness? That's right,
[00:04:03] Your Honor. At that time, it was called your wedding photo,
[00:04:07] Witness, taken in 1986.
[00:04:09] To
[00:04:13] be married. Well,
[00:04:16] meanwhile, the panel of judges interrupted Jokowi's answer and
[00:04:19] asked him to answer the question
[00:04:23] directly without commenting. And this moment, viewers, happened
[00:04:27] when the prosecutor asked if Jokowi felt aggrieved by
[00:04:30] Suryo's statements regarding the fake diploma allegations.
[00:04:34] to strengthen security This. Your Honor,
[00:04:36] earlier,
[00:04:40] the honorable Mr. Suryo stated that as
[00:04:43] a researcher, in my opinion, he is not
[00:04:46] a researcher.
[00:04:48] A researcher's ethics are not like this.
[00:04:52] Coming to UGM
[00:04:55] bringing a team, please just answer the question.
[00:04:58] Not a comment. As
[00:05:00] stated.
[00:05:03] Can the question be repeated? All right, we'll repeat it, Your Honor,
[00:05:07] motives that regarding the
[00:05:11] upload of the video. From the relationship from social media,
[00:05:14] YouTube, on the official INews account,
[00:05:17] one of them is also that you, Witness, object to the words
[00:05:21] spoken by the defendant.
[00:05:24] Yes, I object, Your Honor, and viewers,
[00:05:27] the lawyer for Noi Surio, Refri Harun, insisted that his client, along
[00:05:31] with Dr. Tiva, should be acquitted of the alleged defamation
[00:05:35] and slander related to the fake diploma polemic of the
[00:05:38] 7th President Joko Widodo. Rafli said there was no criminal article
[00:05:42] that could be applied to the two defendants.
[00:05:44] This. We certainly defend
[00:05:48] against the indictment, which we also want to ask
[00:05:52] a question
[00:05:52] that
[00:05:57] was found at the East Jakarta District Court. According to him, the defamation
[00:06:01] or slander aimed at Rusuryo was not
[00:06:05] appropriate. He argued that the authenticity of the diploma, which is now a polemic, is
[00:06:08] part of the public's interest or public interest.
[00:07:14] immaterial loss, Your Honor,
[00:07:18] immaterial loss due to the tarnishing of my
[00:07:21] good name and also
[00:07:25] my family, because of the tarnishing of my
[00:07:28] good name and also
[00:07:32] my family. And then I
[00:07:36] also feel that I have been humiliated,
[00:07:38] belittled
[00:07:41] very much. Then, the
[00:07:44] third is that I also
[00:07:47] feel accused
[00:07:48] of using
[00:07:51] a fake diploma
[00:07:53] to
[00:07:56] run for mayor twice, governor once,
[00:07:59] and president twice, Your Honor.
[00:08:02] The immaterial
[00:08:08] loss that you,
[00:08:11] Witness, experienced,
[00:08:13] what was it?
[00:08:16] Yes, the tarnishing, the tarnishing
[00:08:19] of my good name, Your Honor, and also
[00:08:22] the reputation
[00:08:26] that I have, Your Honor, because if
[00:08:30] we look at the latest survey, if I recall correctly,
[00:08:33] 18%
[00:08:37] of Indonesian society believes in this fake diploma accusation,
[00:08:40] Your Honor. If 18% is converted
[00:08:44] into people, it's roughly 34 million people
[00:08:47] who believe in this fake
[00:08:50] diploma accusation, Your
[00:08:52] Honor. So, Witness,
[00:08:55] you feel that public trust has declined
[00:08:59] as a result of this incident. That's right, Your Honor, 34
[00:09:02] million people believe, Your Honor, that the fake
[00:09:06] diploma accusation is true.
[00:09:10] We have other information for you,
[00:09:12] including the illegal wiretapping case involving Martanka Polit Polikit Prabowo
[00:09:16] and two high-ranking police officers, which sparked strong anger
[00:09:19] and condemnation from the ranks of political party
[00:09:22] officials.
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[00:10:40] Investigators have designated
[00:10:42] three suspects with the
[00:10:46] initials
[00:10:47] LSP,
[00:10:50] ASN and
[00:10:52] uh.
[00:10:58] uh, we also believe
[00:11:00] what was done here might already fall
[00:11:04] into the category of treasonous acts. Treasonous
[00:11:08] acts.
[00:11:14] Viewers, before attending the trial, the 7th President of the Republic
[00:11:18] of Indonesia, Joko Widodo, merely smiled when asked about
[00:11:22] the alleged illegal wiretapping of President Prabowo Subianto.
[00:11:58] Let it go, let it go, let it go, widen it,
[00:12:00] widen it.
[00:12:03] Sir, please let us pass, sir, what is the meaning of the parang batik you are wearing, sir?
[00:12:06] Now, sir, please let us pass. That means fighting
[00:12:09] injustice, right, sir? What do you think,
[00:12:12] sir? Watch out,
[00:12:15] watch out.
[00:12:18] Meanwhile, the chairman of Commission III of the House of Representatives, Habiburrahman,
[00:12:21] admitted to being surprised to receive information about alleged illegal wiretapping of
[00:12:25] leaders and members of Commission III of the House of Representatives, stating
[00:12:29] that his party felt disappointed if the information about wiretapping of several
[00:12:32] legislative members was proven to be illegally
[00:12:36] carried out. Met at the Parliament Complex,
[00:12:39] Habiburrahman revealed that so far, Commission III of the House of Representatives has given
[00:12:43] several statements and support to former Police Chief Setyosigit
[00:12:47] Prabowo, who became a suspect in alleged illegal wiretapping of
[00:12:50] the president and other public figures in the country. He
[00:12:53] categorized this illegal wiretapping
[00:12:56] as insubordination or defiance against superiors within
[00:12:59] the institution, and his party fully handed over the resolution of
[00:13:03] this case to the police so that it could be revealed clearly and
[00:13:06] especially the motive for carrying out this
[00:13:10] illegal wiretapping. Uh, that
[00:13:14] I am
[00:13:17] a doctor. What should I say? We
[00:13:21] are also quite surprised to receive such information,
[00:13:25] like the leader of Commission III being tapped. If
[00:13:28] friends follow how we
[00:13:31] have always been good and defended the person
[00:13:35] concerned and so on, if such an event occurs,
[00:13:38] we will see how the development goes, but if we
[00:13:42] are indeed illegally tapped, yes, illegally
[00:13:45] tapped, of course, we are disappointed,
[00:13:48] and Habiburrahman also emphasized that his party believes
[00:13:52] Police Chief Suyudi Arioseto will uncover the wiretapping case
[00:13:55] against President Prabowo and other parties objectively and transparently.
[00:13:59] He reminded the Police Chief not to discriminate in apprehending
[00:14:03] the intellectual actors behind the illegal wiretapping that led to former
[00:14:06] Police Chief and Chief of Presidential Staff Listo Sikit Prabowo becoming
[00:14:09] a suspect. Mr. Suyudi will surely do his job
[00:14:13] well, we trust him, but on social media, it's also often
[00:14:16] linked to solo gangs, right, sir? Whether it's a solo gang or an Oslo gang,
[00:14:20] the law is the law,
[00:14:22] right?
[00:14:25] Mr. Suyudi will definitely do his job well, we trust him,
[00:14:27] and viewers, the case of the wiretapping
[00:14:31] of Police Chief General Prabowo along with two other high-ranking
[00:14:34] police officers sparked anger and strong threats from
[00:14:38] the ranks of general chairmen and political party officials in the country.
[00:14:41] These political elites demanded that this case be thoroughly investigated because it was already
[00:14:45] categorized as an
[00:14:46] act of treason.
[00:14:50] clean, namely public trust starting with a clean
[00:14:53] police force. In carrying out duties and responsibilities,
[00:14:57] they must be trustworthy and maintain public trust
[00:15:00] in them. What about the user, who is it, sir?
[00:15:03] Once again, this
[00:15:06] is the initial process, friends.
[00:15:10] It is impossible for us to
[00:15:13] designate suspects within 24 hours. We detain
[00:15:15] suspects based on police investigation. In early
[00:15:19] November 2026, illegal wiretapping using an
[00:15:23] interception management system
[00:15:26] not only targeted President Prabowo, but also extended to several
[00:15:29] chairmen of political parties, state officials, community organization
[00:15:32] leaders, NGOs, media,
[00:15:35] and even businessmen.
[00:15:37] namely public trust begins with
[00:15:39] the police.
[00:15:43] Sugiono regretted the alleged wiretapping that targeted President Prabowo Subianto, and
[00:15:47] according to Sugiono, this action is a serious matter because the president
[00:15:51] is the head of government, and he asked all parties to
[00:15:54] respect the legal process so that the motive and background of the alleged wiretapping
[00:15:58] against the president can be revealed comprehensively. The investigation
[00:16:02] conducted
[00:16:04] and we will see the monitoring evaluation again. What do you think? Maybe political parties
[00:16:08] will do something that, in my
[00:16:10] opinion, is
[00:16:12] extraordinary, very regrettable, then
[00:16:15] also we at Gelinda
[00:16:19] believe, what is the motive, what is the basis?
[00:16:22] It's like that. Wiretapping
[00:16:24] is done to the head
[00:16:28] of government, the president, and this is by an institution that is
[00:16:32] under
[00:16:33] Guridal.
[00:16:36] Uh, if I... believe
[00:16:40] that this is a form
[00:16:42] bentuk
[00:16:45] of insubordination, insubordination,
[00:16:48] then it could
[00:16:50] be
[00:16:52] motives.
[00:16:57] The same thing was also conveyed by the Secretary General of the DPP PDI Perjuangan,
[00:17:00] Hasto Kristianto, who strongly condemned the alleged illegal wiretapping case that targeted
[00:17:04] President Prabowo and could not be tolerated. He assessed
[00:17:08] that this action already falls under human rights violations,
[00:17:11] violations of democratic rights, and resistance to the national
[00:17:15] legal system.
[00:17:20] This authority is not just an abuse
[00:17:23] of authority, but it is a very serious human
[00:17:26] rights violation against democracy and also against
[00:17:29] the national legal system. Especially since the illegal wiretapping
[00:17:33] was also directed at the president as the head of state and
[00:17:37] the head of government, then this is an act of treason
[00:17:40] that must not be tolerated, whatever
[00:17:43] the reason, and must be thoroughly investigated,
[00:17:47] who are the actors involved
[00:17:49] in it.
[00:17:53] Viewers, with this, the Secretary General of the Democratic Party, Herman Heron,
[00:17:56] believes that this wiretapping cannot stand alone because it involves several
[00:18:00] aspects. The Democratic Party leaves the full disclosure of this case to
[00:18:04] law enforcement officials and hopes that the investigation will proceed professionally
[00:18:07] and transparently.
[00:18:11] Eight, brother Drajat Hariwi, no, I think it
[00:18:14] cannot, it cannot stand alone,
[00:18:18] yes, there must be collaboration, right?
[00:18:21] It's impossible for this to be done by one person
[00:18:25] because this is also a policy issue, a policy
[00:18:28] issue, then there are techniques, there
[00:18:32] is technology, there is an operator, and
[00:18:35] then how far this wiretapping
[00:18:38] is analyzed for what purpose, I think there are many,
[00:18:42] but we don't want to assume, right? Let's
[00:18:45] just leave it to law enforcement officials in the police
[00:18:49] to eventually reveal this issue. And
[00:18:53] viewers, the governor of DKI Jakarta, Pramono Anung, supports the strengthening of security
[00:18:56] in the capital by the Indonesian National Army (TNI). Pramono
[00:19:00] affirmed that security and defense matters are the authority of the central
[00:19:04] government. From CPNS
[00:19:07] to PNS. Kumun Anung stated that for
[00:19:11] the Jakarta Provincial Government, it respects the central government's authority in security
[00:19:14] and defense matters. According to him, Jakarta has
[00:19:17] a strategic position as the capital city, a global city, as well as the center
[00:19:21] of the national economy. Pramono Anung also expressed his gratitude
[00:19:25] for the strengthening of security carried out by the central government, but he
[00:19:28] emphasized that he did not want to enter into discussions about the latest
[00:19:32] political developments. Previously, it was known, viewers, that the Indonesian
[00:19:35] Navy deployed 20,980
[00:19:38] security in Jakarta. This deployment was carried out in four
[00:19:42] stages according to the instructions of TNI Commander General TNI Agus
[00:19:45] Subianto.
[00:19:50] Regarding the strengthening of security in
[00:19:54] Jakarta. Of course, matters related to
[00:19:58] security and defense are indeed
[00:20:01] the authority of the central government. Therefore,
[00:20:04] the DKI Jakarta Government
[00:20:08] fully supports what is being done
[00:20:12] in the capital, but in principle, as the
[00:20:16] governor, I do not want to enter
[00:20:19] into discussions about what has been happening
[00:20:23] recently, but the bottom line is that
[00:20:26] whatever happens, Jakarta is the capital
[00:20:29] city, a global city, the center of the national
[00:20:32] economy, so if there is
[00:20:35] a reinforcement,
[00:20:38] Jakarta expresses its gratitude.
[00:20:41] The head of the TNI Information Center,
[00:20:45] Major General TNI Muhammad Nas, stated
[00:20:50] that the deployment of a large number of personnel to the capital city of Jakarta
[00:20:53] was carried out in order to carry out state duties and safeguard the NKRI. This deployment
[00:20:57] of troops is a common occurrence because the TNI is required
[00:21:00] to always be ready to protect the nation and is always ready to carry out
[00:21:04] its duties in accordance with the applicable laws.
[00:21:17] Meanwhile, Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Dudung Abdurrahman emphasized
[00:21:20] that the national security and order situation remains well-maintained, and
[00:21:23] the internal dynamics of the police are referred to as part of the process in
[00:21:27] the life of a large organization.
[00:21:30] Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Dudung Abdurrahman urged
[00:21:34] the public to remain calm, not to be easily influenced by unverified
[00:21:37] information, and to continue maintaining national unity and
[00:21:40] stability. Dudung stated that the dynamics occurring within the police
[00:21:43] are part of the process in the life of a large organization,
[00:21:46] as well as a momentum to continue making improvements.
[00:22:20] The dynamics that occurred within the police are
[00:22:23] part of the process in the life
[00:22:26] of a large organization, as
[00:22:29] well as a momentum to continue
[00:22:31] making improvements and strengthening institutions.
[00:22:35] The government is committed to ensuring that all processes
[00:22:39] run according to law,
[00:22:42] professionally, transparently, and
[00:22:45] justly. Yes, so let's
[00:22:49] remain calm, not easily influenced by
[00:22:52] unverified information,
[00:22:55] and let's continue to maintain unity and
[00:22:58] togetherness.
[00:23:08] It is referred to as a form of insubordination that leads to treasonous
[00:23:11] acts against the president. Therefore, it is hoped that the police
[00:23:15] headquarters can thoroughly investigate and uncover
[00:23:47] when holding a press conference at the Aceh Tsunami Museum, Banda Aceh city, Wednesday,
[00:23:50] November 4, 2026. Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs
[00:23:53] Yuszah Mahendra affirmed
[00:23:57] that the handling of the alleged illegal wiretapping case against President Prabowo
[00:24:00] Subianto is still being developed by the National Police Headquarters. And in
[00:24:04] the investigation process, indications were found that lead to alleged
[00:24:07] treasonous acts as regulated in Article
[00:24:10] 191 and Article 193 of the National
[00:24:13] Criminal Code. However, these allegations still require
[00:24:17] further investigation based on facts and
[00:24:50] that lead to actions and the president said it must
[00:24:54] be enforced firmly until
[00:24:57] facts and evidence are found that this is not
[00:25:01] just wiretapping but a move
[00:25:04] towards treason. However, the Secretary General of the Gerindra Party, who
[00:25:08] is also the Coordinating Minister for Human Development and Culture in the White Cabinet, Sugiono, emphasized
[00:25:11] that the alleged illegal wiretapping against President Prabowo, which was allegedly
[00:25:15] carried out by former Police Chief General Listyo Sigit Prabowo and two
[00:25:19] high-ranking officers,
[00:25:51] insubordination, then it could be
[00:25:54] then
[00:25:57] lead to treason against
[00:26:00] the president. And once again, we
[00:26:03] would like to express our appreciation to
[00:26:07] the police and their ranks who have
[00:26:10] carried out this process, and
[00:26:13] of course, we
[00:26:14] respect
[00:26:17] the ongoing legal process.
[00:26:20] Constitutional law expert, Bargarito Kamis, affirmed that if the alleged
[00:26:25] out by General Listyo against President Prabowo, who
[00:26:29] is none other than his superior, can be considered an unprofessional
[00:26:32] act as a law enforcement officer. We
[00:26:36] need to recognize the wiretapping now,
[00:26:39] and we must regret
[00:26:42] it.
[00:26:44] What is the police chief tapping the president
[00:26:48] for, who is none other than his superior, institutionally,
[00:26:51] right? That
[00:26:54] is absolutely unacceptable.
[00:26:57] That's one thing, second,
[00:27:00] like this.
[00:27:05] Please, brother. The data he obtained, what did he want
[00:27:08] to do?
[00:27:10] Sigit, he tapped the president,
[00:27:13] right? What did he want to do with the data he got?
[00:27:15] He could have pressured
[00:27:18] the president, right? Blah blah blah, all sorts of things,
[00:27:21] right? And that's what
[00:27:25] could cause the president, Mr. President, not
[00:27:29] to have the freedom to take legal action, for example. Because
[00:27:33] if he had
[00:27:36] obtained it, then he pressured the president, even
[00:27:40] though, in my opinion, it's clear
[00:27:43] that he hasn't
[00:27:46] yet concretely
[00:27:50] directly pressured the president.
[00:27:53] The government urged the public to remain calm and
[00:27:57] not be influenced by unverified
[00:28:00] information and that the handling
[00:28:03] of the case continues at the National Police Headquarters, and legal action will
[00:28:07] be taken firmly according to the provisions of
[00:28:24] viewers, thank you for still being with us. I will
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