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[00:00:00] possibility that it is possible,
[00:00:03] I don't know if it will actually
[00:00:06] happen. Serbia previously concluded
[00:00:09] an agreement with an Israeli company regarding
[00:00:13] drone production,
[00:00:15] Serbia and Ukraine have but it is certainly a possibility. Ukraine has
[00:00:19] shown impressive resilience, which is why
[00:00:23] Serbs, or all Serbs who harbor a certain
[00:00:26] support for Russia or Vladimir Putin, should
[00:00:30] reconsider. Russia is a declining state,
[00:00:33] all it does is send thousands of people, thousands
[00:00:36] of young Russians to their deaths for a futile goal. It
[00:00:40] is a country that is falling apart.
[00:00:43] Ukraine, on the other hand, is a globally recognized
[00:00:46] leader in drone technology, and that is why it is a
[00:00:50] strong reason for those in Serbia who still cling to some
[00:00:53] strange pro-Russian
[00:00:57] sympathies to change their minds.
[00:01:00] So, I would not rule out the possibility that this will be one of the topics
[00:01:04] of discussion, but I don't know if
[00:01:06] uh for both countries. Cooperation in it is one of the main points on the agenda. Yes, one of the main things
[00:01:09] in this text phase is a part, or rather
[00:01:12] an interview with Christopher Hill, the former US
[00:01:16] ambassador to Serbia, in which he says that he helped, that he
[00:01:19] played a major role in the relations between Serbia and
[00:01:22] Ukraine, that he asked the government of Serbia about the ammunition
[00:01:26] that Ukraine needed, and then that the US started
[00:01:30] buying that ammunition
[00:01:34] which Europe is massively and eventually sending it to Ukraine. This therefore represents a confirmation that something
[00:01:38] was happening, that it is happening. Now we know who the man was who
[00:01:41] represented that link between Ukraine and
[00:01:45] Serbia. How do you see his role,
[00:01:49] the role of Christopher
[00:01:51] Hill?
[00:01:54] Well, I wouldn't bring this up if you hadn't directly
[00:01:57] pointed it out, and I think that here... There are two
[00:02:00] elements, first, Dušan,
[00:02:03] the fact is that there was no serious
[00:02:06] Russian reaction to
[00:02:09] Serbian ammunition reaching
[00:02:13] Ukraine via third countries, but that is
[00:02:16] not even important. That Serbian ammunition is reaching
[00:02:19] Ukraine, which is significant and very
[00:02:22] useful for Ukraine. The absence
[00:02:25] of any serious Russian reaction should send
[00:02:29] a message to everyone in Serbia that Russia
[00:02:32] is very weak, that Russia is very weak, that
[00:02:35] Vladimir Putin is weak, that Serbia could do more, that
[00:02:39] Serbia could already today free itself from Russian influence,
[00:02:43] RT, Sputnik, and other malignant
[00:02:46] sources of Russian influence, and even impose
[00:02:50] sanctions without any serious
[00:02:53] challenge, because the issue of ammunition is extremely
[00:02:56] serious. That is therefore the first thing.
[00:03:00] Second, you directly asked me about American policy in
[00:03:03] relation to that. You see, the fact is this:
[00:03:06] The Biden administration missed a great
[00:03:09] opportunity, not only to ensure that Serbian ammunition reaches
[00:03:13] Ukraine, but also to firmly bring Serbia into
[00:03:16] the united European and American camp when it
[00:03:19] comes to Russia. That opportunity arose when
[00:03:23] Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine in
[00:03:26] 2022. That was the moment for
[00:03:29] that, not to try later to convince them. Look, Serbia
[00:03:33] earns a lot of money from that ammunition, so it is not a
[00:03:36] charitable gift, but the Biden
[00:03:39] administration missed a golden opportunity to tell Serbia
[00:03:43] what it should have told it, together with partners from
[00:03:47] the European Union in February, March, and even
[00:03:50] April 2022.
[00:03:53] Look, everyone must choose a side,
[00:03:57] there is no more balancing. "Either you are
[00:04:00] on the side of freedom in Europe, the freedom of states to
[00:04:04] choose their strategic orientation, or you are on the side of the aggressor, and
[00:04:08] you have to choose. You are a candidate for membership in the European
[00:04:12] Union. The states of the European Union could have pointed this out to
[00:04:15] President Vučić. You have to choose. Instead,
[00:04:19] the US did nothing similar, and then they got what they
[00:04:23] got. And allow me to conclude, Dušan, by saying
[00:04:26] that Serbia continued to support Russia in many ways: by refusing to
[00:04:30] impose sanctions, by signing a friendship agreement
[00:04:34] with the UN with Foreign Minister Lavrov, and by continuing
[00:04:37] to poison the region with pro-Russian narratives.
[00:04:41] So, it was not a triumph of American diplomacy, it
[00:04:45] was a missed golden opportunity.
[00:04:49] Yes, and what will be the reaction of the European Union then? We know that
[00:04:52] Belgrade expects some kind of progress in European
[00:04:55] integration. Can we then expect the opening of
[00:04:58] Cluster 3, which includes competitiveness, science,
[00:05:02] and education? It seems that for Belgrade, any progress, especially
[00:05:06] before the elections, would be
[00:05:09] beneficial for the current government.
[00:05:12] At the same time, Serbia is not fulfilling what
[00:05:15] it has already opened with the European Union, Chapter
[00:05:19] 1, or Cluster 1, which relates to basic
[00:05:22] fundamental rights. How do you think Brussels
[00:05:25] will react to this and what
[00:05:28] will Belgrade seek from
[00:05:31] Brussels after this?
[00:05:35] I think that is a very legitimate
[00:05:39] question, Dušan, and I think, in my opinion. "if
[00:05:42] you ask me to predict, that Russia will acknowledge that
[00:05:46] this is positive, that Brussels will further
[00:05:50] demand that Serbia fulfill its
[00:05:53] obligations. These obligations are
[00:05:56] very, very serious. I think that
[00:05:59] in Brussels, they noticed a dramatic
[00:06:02] decline in democracy in
[00:06:05] Serbia, pressure on
[00:06:08] journalists, unheard of pressure on
[00:06:11] journalists as..." and this playing with
[00:06:14] laws and the judiciary. I don't think Brussels will
[00:06:17] be convinced. I think that of course this is a
[00:06:21] positive move that will be positively received,
[00:06:25] but I don't think that the countries that opposed
[00:06:28] the opening of Cluster 3 will be fooled
[00:06:31] and change their
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[00:13:25] I believe that the truth can only be one. I am Nikola Vučić,
[00:13:28] you are watching N1.
[00:14:06] We continue to analyze the visit of Volodymyr Zelensky to Belgrade,
[00:14:10] what it means for Serbia, and whether it represents a certain change in
[00:14:13] foreign policy. My colleague Aleksandra Gotfroa
[00:14:16] discussed this earlier with political scientist Boris
[00:14:20] Varga. Mr. Varga, thank you for
[00:14:23] speaking to N1. So, Ukrainian
[00:14:26] President Volodymyr Zelensky has arrived in Serbia. What does
[00:14:30] this visit mean and who needs it more,
[00:14:33] in fact?
[00:14:36] Well, Zelensky in Belgrade is a clear sign that Putin is not winning
[00:14:40] the war in Ukraine. For
[00:14:43] the last three years, from around mid-
[00:14:45] 2023, there have been more than 10
[00:14:48] political contacts between Zelensky and Vučić,
[00:14:52] taking into account various meetings on the sidelines of summits
[00:14:56] and phone calls, but this is certainly the first
[00:14:59] official visit.
[00:15:02] Both countries do not have high
[00:15:05] expectations from direct cooperation between Ukraine and
[00:15:09] Serbia, however, in an indirect sense, there is
[00:15:13] a great interest.
[00:15:16] For Zelensky and the Ukrainian army, Serbia is important because of
[00:15:19] the weapons that are procured through intermediaries,
[00:15:23] and Vučić needs support in the West, in the United
[00:15:27] States and the European Union, especially now before
[00:15:31] the elections, because the autocracy in
[00:15:34] Serbia is no longer overlooked, and
[00:15:37] the election process, by all accounts, will not meet
[00:15:41] the standards that Western partners
[00:15:44] expect from Vučić. Mhm. And what
[00:15:47] are the common interests, points of contact, and areas that
[00:15:53] on which they could further build their
[00:15:56] relations?
[00:15:59] Well, yes, from the perspective,
[00:16:03] uh, somehow, uh, Ukraine, Serbia is considered
[00:16:07] to be a full
[00:16:10] ally of Moscow. Zelensky's visit to
[00:16:13] Serbia is celebrated as yet
[00:16:17] another international victory
[00:16:19] of Ukraine over Putin. Ukraine and
[00:16:23] Serbia are candidate countries for the European
[00:16:27] Union. In a way, they are
[00:16:30] also rivals. But cooperation and simultaneous
[00:16:33] competence in that direction towards
[00:16:36] the EU would be the healthiest and
[00:16:39] most useful
[00:16:43] arms trade, i.e.,
[00:16:46] Soviet-type ammunition, then there is energy,
[00:16:49] there is the electrical industry which Russia is constantly
[00:16:52] destroying daily in Ukraine.
[00:16:55] This is the potential of
[00:16:58] uh, certainly Ukrainian-Serbian cooperation, then free
[00:17:02] trade, there are new military technologies
[00:17:05] that the war in Ukraine has completely changed and to
[00:17:11] transitioning. These are the IT sector, drones,
[00:17:15] artificial intelligence. Of course, it's a good chance for
[00:17:18] Serbia to jump on that train. And
[00:17:22] do you notice a
[00:17:26] change in Serbia's foreign policy towards Ukraine in the last
[00:17:29] year?
[00:17:32] No.
[00:17:35] Well, Serbia will continue
[00:17:39] in its politics and generally in
[00:17:42] society to foster Russophilia, which is a historical
[00:17:46] constant, regardless of who will be at the head of Russia, whether
[00:17:50] it will fight with
[00:17:52] Ukraine,
[00:17:54] uh, that bitter taste leaves that in a way
[00:17:58] generally
[00:18:00] among a part of uh, let's say,
[00:18:04] voters politically aligned in
[00:18:07] Serbia, support for Putin's campaign in Ukraine
[00:18:10] is a misunderstanding of why
[00:18:13] Ukraine has the right to decide its own
[00:18:17] destiny, to defend itself. However,
[00:18:19] all these are consequences of not confronting the wars
[00:18:22] of the 90s, because of which Serbia still
[00:18:26] has a similar attitude towards its neighbors as
[00:18:30] Russia. Mhm. Towards Ukraine. When we talk
[00:18:33] about Russia and Ukraine, Ukrainian media wrote
[00:18:36] before this visit, they quoted an unnamed
[00:18:39] diplomat saying that the visit was symbolic and that Kyiv should,
[00:18:42] so to speak, pull Serbia
[00:18:46] out of Moscow's
[00:18:47] embrace.
[00:18:52] Well, that's uh, that's what
[00:18:55] I said, that in a way, uh, someone
[00:18:59] will represent that Ukraine will celebrate
[00:19:03] Zelensky's arrival as its victory.
[00:19:06] Mhm. that Moscow's reaction will always be
[00:19:10] harsh to any cooperation between Belgrade and
[00:19:13] Kyiv. However, Russia will not
[00:19:16] cool relations with Serbia because
[00:19:19] it is not currently in
[00:19:21] that position. Vučić is aware
[00:19:25] of this and that is why he is quietly turning towards the
[00:19:28] West, because he currently needs more support from the United
[00:19:32] States and the European Union than support from isolated
[00:19:36] Putin. Generally, Putin needs
[00:19:39] Serbia more than Vučić currently needs
[00:19:42] Russia, given the entire internal and external
[00:19:46] political situation with the crisis that has been going on for two
[00:19:50] years in Serbia due to student and civil
[00:19:53] protests, Vučić really
[00:19:56] needs more and more help. He needs
[00:19:59] the West. However, the picture will
[00:20:03] significantly change immediately before
[00:20:06] the announced elections in Serbia, when we will have
[00:20:09] a full-day Russophilic
[00:20:13] full-day pro-Russian
[00:20:16] tirade from the Progressives and Vučić.
[00:20:18] The regime will fight for every
[00:20:22] vote, again with the worst Russophilic
[00:20:26] Putin-philic propaganda, it will mobilize the right, as
[00:20:30] in the spring of 2022, when the war in
[00:20:33] Ukraine began and when everything
[00:20:35] looked in the media as if Serbia was on the side
[00:20:39] of the aggressor and Russia, so on the one hand, it suits
[00:20:43] Belgrade better that this visit is happening
[00:20:47] now, not in the
[00:20:50] election process, that is, there will be
[00:20:53] time to mitigate the effect of this visit
[00:20:56] for those citizens who are
[00:20:59] pro-Russian, or who are Russophiles,
[00:21:02] to turn the story around. Mhm. And how do you interpret that,
[00:21:06] you see, President
[00:21:09] of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić has met with Zelensky
[00:21:13] multiple times on the sidelines of various gatherings, he participated
[00:21:17] in the summit. Ukraine, Southeast Europe,
[00:21:20] he did not sign the last two declarations, however, what caught
[00:21:24] the eye was that when he was in Odessa for that summit and
[00:21:27] when he was last in Kyiv, which coincided with Ukraine's
[00:21:31] Statehood Day, he did not go, unlike all other
[00:21:35] participants, to lay flowers at those national memorials to Ukrainians
[00:21:38] who died in defense of their country.
[00:21:42] Why?
[00:21:44] Yes, that was very
[00:21:46] noticeable, and all media
[00:21:50] reported on it, although such
[00:21:52] gestures appear completely scandalous
[00:21:55] and are morally unacceptable
[00:21:58] in a way in this very tense
[00:22:01] international atmosphere and conditions of war
[00:22:04] in Europe. Such behavior by Vučić in
[00:22:07] Ukraine and the West is still
[00:22:10] tolerated. Here, in this situation,
[00:22:14] the effectiveness of relations between Belgrade and Kyiv
[00:22:18] is measured, not the way
[00:22:21] it was achieved. So it is important
[00:22:25] to have Serbia and Vučić on your
[00:22:28] side. And finally, what do you think Moscow's
[00:22:31] reaction will be? You said it will be harsh to this meeting,
[00:22:35] but should Belgrade even deal with their
[00:22:38] harsh reactions and to what extent, if
[00:22:40] so?
[00:22:44] It will certainly be harsh,
[00:22:47] and Belgrade
[00:22:50] is aware of its position, and Vučić is aware that
[00:22:54] he is more needed by Putin than
[00:22:57] Putin needs him, and he is also aware
[00:23:01] that Russia wants, just as Europe and the West want, to
[00:23:04] keep, of course, and Ukraine,
[00:23:07] Serbia on its side, so Russia
[00:23:10] still considers Serbia to be
[00:23:13] that island from which
[00:23:16] it continues to operate and
[00:23:20] has that influence on
[00:23:22] the Western Balkans. So, Russia
[00:23:25] still counts on Serbia, and that will
[00:23:29] remain so. The proof of that, the red line, is
[00:23:32] certainly the non-imposition of sanctions on Russia,
[00:23:35] and uh, I think
[00:23:39] that there is a consensus in
[00:23:43] the West, in Russia, and in Serbia that this
[00:23:46] is in fact that red line, and I think that at least
[00:23:50] for now, no one will ask Serbia to
[00:23:53] cross it, that is, to impose
[00:23:56] sanctions on Russia
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