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[00:00:18] Good afternoon, dear viewers, you are watching
[00:00:20] everything, who had the backing of N1
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[00:00:25] The fire in the Konjic area is still active, numerous firefighters and
[00:00:28] helicopters are engaged.
[00:00:32] The protest in the Mrki Uglja Zenica mine continues, 10 Zenica miners
[00:00:35] are still in the Raspotočje
[00:00:38] see the efforts of pit. Volodymyr Zelensky is on an official visit
[00:00:42] to Serbia, a memorandum of understanding in the field of agriculture
[00:00:45] between Serbia and
[00:00:46] Ukraine has been signed.
[00:00:51] The fire in the Kanjina and Živašnica area near Konjic is still
[00:00:54] active, and all available firefighters and
[00:00:57] professional fire brigades of Konjic are on the ground. Workers of the Prenj
[00:01:00] forestry. The fire has engulfed the forest on steep and
[00:01:03] inaccessible terrain, which makes extinguishing difficult. Fire teams from Sarajevo, Tarčin
[00:01:07] and Jablanica arrived to help the Konjic teams. Helicopters
[00:01:11] of the Armed Forces of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Zenica-Doboj Canton
[00:01:14] and air tractors
[00:01:18] are involved in extinguishing the fire.
[00:01:21] And today, unfortunately, the fire is still
[00:01:24] active. What is good is that the lower
[00:01:28] part of the fire's edge, which was near settlements, i.e., near
[00:01:32] houses, was localized and extinguished last night, and we hope
[00:01:36] that today there will be no new problems, at least in that
[00:01:39] part, however, the fire is in a rather
[00:01:42] inaccessible area, and it is now spreading uncontrollably in
[00:01:45] all directions. We have, this morning,
[00:01:49] support in the form of helicopters
[00:01:52] I'm leaving I have five of of the armed forces and in the form of air tractors that
[00:01:55] are extinguishing the fire, of course, there are firefighters on
[00:01:58] the ground, so... Today
[00:02:00] is a working day ahead of us, we will try as much
[00:02:04] as possible to prevent further spread so that
[00:02:08] houses and buildings are not threatened. Yesterday we really
[00:02:11] had help from all sides, so we had two
[00:02:14] vehicles from Sarajevo Canton with two
[00:02:17] crews, we also had one helicopter from
[00:02:21] Zenica-Doboj Canton and one helicopter from the armed forces.
[00:02:24] Also, two R tractors of the
[00:02:28] HNC government were operating. Um, we had firefighters from Jablanica
[00:02:32] and all our local protection and rescue services were
[00:02:35] involved, so there were
[00:02:38] really a lot of people on the ground, mm, of course,
[00:02:41] we continue today, already this morning, helicopters are
[00:02:45] operating, air tractors, the situation
[00:02:48] is a bit calmer when it comes to the fire, at least in this
[00:02:51] position where it can be extinguished from the ground, but given that it is
[00:02:55] a pine forest, a very steep terrain, the situation
[00:02:59] changes from hour to hour, so we must be
[00:03:01] present.
[00:03:06] 10 miners from the Mrki Uglja
[00:03:09] to uh reaching a a Zenica mine spent their fourth night in the Raspotočje pit, continuing
[00:03:11] their protest. Of the two miners who fell ill on Friday and left
[00:03:15] the pit to receive help, one has returned to
[00:03:18] the pit. If the situation is not resolved, on Monday all members of the main
[00:03:22] board of the Mrki
[00:03:25] great deal of weight in Uglja Zenica mine union will join them in the pit,
[00:03:28] which will further radicalize
[00:03:30] the protest. Miners are protesting due to unpaid salaries for May and June, which were
[00:03:34] promised to them last month, and the July salary will soon be due.
[00:03:38] Temporarily, for now only until September 6th, two
[00:03:41] days ago they were again able to certify their health
[00:03:45] insurance books.
[00:03:48] Third month, so we are entering the fourth month, so we don't have
[00:03:51] salaries. So we have to come, buy food,
[00:03:55] fuel, etc. There are people who come 40 km in
[00:03:59] one direction. So, what about wives,
[00:04:02] children, electricity,
[00:04:06] food, so it's up to our throats, now
[00:04:09] these empty promises from day to day, it will be today, it will be
[00:04:13] tomorrow, people are fed up,
[00:04:16] they have nothing more to lose, people locked themselves in the pit, which I
[00:04:20] support, it should have been done long ago,
[00:04:24] the situation is such that these 10 people who are currently left, they do not intend
[00:04:28] to leave until they receive a written confirmation that the payment
[00:04:31] of salaries for May, June and July
[00:04:34] war to a will be then and then, I mean a date, they are asking for a date
[00:04:38] from the ministry, the relevant ministry, throughout the
[00:04:41] closure of the Zenica mine, a struggle until today, until tomorrow, we
[00:04:44] nothing, a miner from Zenica cannot plan whether
[00:04:48] he will go on vacation, whether he will go with his children to rest, how this
[00:04:51] happened, so nothing, starting from salaries, through those health insurance books,
[00:04:55] through the payment of contributions, nothing, they
[00:04:58] promise us everything, we are just... here to wait and do as
[00:05:01] they
[00:05:03] say.
[00:05:07] A group of prominent American senators and members of the House of Representatives expressed
[00:05:11] deep concern about... the summoning of 26
[00:05:14] current and former employees and associates of the Srebrenica
[00:05:18] Memorial Center for police interrogations, warning that
[00:05:21] the Memorial Center must be able to carry out its mission without
[00:05:25] intimidation. At the same time, they called on the American
[00:05:28] administration to implement mandatory sanctions provided
[00:05:32] by the National Defense Act for fiscal year 2026
[00:05:36] against individuals responsible for destabilizing
[00:05:39] actions and undermining democratic institutions. Earlier,
[00:05:42] the director of the Srebrenica Memorial Center, Emir Suljagić, sent a message
[00:05:46] to American senators and members of the U.S. House of
[00:05:49] Representatives. Suljagić reacted to the statements of the Minister of Finance of Bosnia
[00:05:53] and Herzegovina, Srđan Amidžić, who said that he does not know
[00:05:56] why the director of the Srebrenica Memorial Center is nervous or why
[00:06:00] there are, as he called them, hysterical reactions, if that
[00:06:04] institution operates in accordance with the law, even though its work is
[00:06:07] clean and transparent. Suljagić claims that the latest
[00:06:10] events concerning the Srebrenica Memorial Center do not represent
[00:06:14] a legitimate investigation, but a political campaign of intimidation.
[00:06:17] He states that Amidžić is personally responsible for blocking laws and
[00:06:21] sub-legal acts that are necessary for the Srebrenica
[00:06:25] Memorial Center to become more independent and financially sustainable, and that
[00:06:29] he, along with Milorad Dodik and Željka Cvijanović, joined the intimidation
[00:06:32] campaign. Suljagić assessed that it is a political
[00:06:35] campaign aimed against Bosniaks in Srebrenica solely on the basis of
[00:06:39] their nationality and place of work. work.
[00:06:46] The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, is on an official visit to Serbia. After
[00:06:50] a ceremonial welcome in front of the Palace of Serbia, a tête-à-tête meeting
[00:06:54] was held between Zelensky and the President of Serbia,
[00:06:57] Aleksandar Vučić, followed by a meeting of the delegations of the two countries.
[00:07:00] A memorandum of understanding in the field of agriculture was signed
[00:07:04] between Serbia and Ukraine. The President of Serbia said that they discussed various
[00:07:08] topics, including the European path of Serbia and Ukraine. They did not
[00:07:12] discuss military cooperation, said Vučić. Zelensky said
[00:07:15] that they are grateful that Serbia will provide a new package of humanitarian
[00:07:19] aid to Ukraine, especially in the areas of healthcare and energy,
[00:07:23] he said that negotiations on a free trade agreement between Ukraine and
[00:07:27] Serbia are progressing.
[00:07:30] Ukraine wants to open all clusters
[00:07:32] as quickly as possible. Ukraine wants quick
[00:07:35] membership in the European
[00:07:37] Union.
[00:07:41] I told President Zelensky
[00:07:43] that
[00:07:46] I understand all that, and I understand that kind of
[00:07:49] enthusiasm,
[00:07:51] but that as the President of Serbia, as someone who is a political veteran, I do not see at this
[00:07:55] moment the possibility, primarily for Serbia, I was not
[00:07:59] talking about Ukraine, so primarily for Serbia to soon
[00:08:02] become a member of the European Union for
[00:08:06] numerous political reasons, I
[00:08:08] fully stand behind what I wrote together
[00:08:11] with... the Prime Minister of Albania Edi Rama, I
[00:08:15] think it is important for our region, I
[00:08:19] told President Zelensky that I think it would be important and good even for
[00:08:22] Ukraine, Moldova and other as
[00:08:25] they say Eastern
[00:08:28] countries and I think that is the reality, I do not believe
[00:08:32] that to be completely open that
[00:08:35] all Europeans will be benevolent even towards
[00:08:39] Ukrainian membership, as you can see...
[00:08:43] I speak about it openly, they always
[00:08:45] find someone, for us they will find some
[00:08:49] Croats, Bulgarians, Dutch, anyone,
[00:08:52] for Ukrainians they will find others, but I
[00:08:55] do not see at this moment the possibility of
[00:08:58] that being realistically
[00:09:00] implemented.
[00:09:06] It is not
[00:09:10] just reality and enthusiasm
[00:09:14] that is at stake when
[00:09:16] choosing the path to the European Union, I understand
[00:09:20] Aleksandar's skepticism, quite detailed,
[00:09:24] Ukraine has no time for
[00:09:27] skepticism or
[00:09:30] war.
[00:09:34] As I said, it will be in the future, first
[00:09:38] is the path that we chose, which the people
[00:09:41] chose." This is unity between the state
[00:09:45] and the people, unity between institutions and the private sector.
[00:09:59] And this unity gives us
[00:10:02] strength. Although many other leaders
[00:10:06] told me that we would not get candidate status and so
[00:10:08] on.
[00:10:12] we got that status, I fight for it every day
[00:10:16] and sometimes it can
[00:10:19] seem so far away and
[00:10:23] so unattainable but. "we
[00:10:25] realize
[00:10:28] those dreams, there is unity in our
[00:10:31] country, we must not
[00:10:35] destroy that unity,
[00:10:38] and there is unity in the European Union on many things, not just on
[00:10:42] war.
[00:10:45] At least three people, including one child, were killed
[00:10:48] overnight in Russian attacks near the Ukrainian capital Kyiv,"
[00:10:52] a local official reported. Rockets early this morning... hit the area
[00:10:55] east of Kyiv, eyewitnesses reported strong explosions just
[00:10:59] a few days after 21 people were killed in strikes across
[00:11:03] Ukraine. Emergency teams extinguished fires in a building and
[00:11:07] a fuel tank in Kyiv, Mayor Vitali
[00:11:10] Klitschko wrote on
[00:11:11] Telegram.
[00:12:48] info.B. That's all for this overview, thank you for
[00:12:51] your attention.
[00:15:48] Diplomacy today is very
[00:15:51] interesting thing and it's
[00:15:54] probably most needed thing which we don't have,
[00:15:58] because diplomacy probably doesn't work properly when we
[00:16:02] look Ukraine, when we look at middle east, when we look
[00:16:05] relationship between allies.
[00:16:08] in different countries and someone who knows a lot of
[00:16:11] about um diplomacy is my next
[00:16:14] guest, ambassador lead turner, former UK
[00:16:18] ambassador to ukraine, someone who spent over four decades
[00:16:22] in diplomacy working for
[00:16:24] British diplomatic service, just today
[00:16:27] read a report which says that
[00:16:30] UK foreign intelligence service
[00:16:33] MI6 is one of the best, but to me also look...
[00:16:37] like us UK diplomacy is one of the
[00:16:41] best in the world, so we are going to speak lot of about diplomacy
[00:16:45] today, mr. ambassador, welcome to program and one, great to be
[00:16:49] with you today, esmir,
[00:16:51] mr. ambassador, you wrote very interesting
[00:16:55] book titled lessons in
[00:16:58] diplomacy, and you're drawing up upon your
[00:17:01] own experiences in Russia,
[00:17:05] Ukraine, Turkey and working for. fcdo
[00:17:08] as we know him um today uh Mr.
[00:17:12] Ambassador, in situations like this,
[00:17:15] I remember words of a former chief
[00:17:18] of uh world food program who says when I came
[00:17:22] into position I had only one
[00:17:25] prices to deal with, now when
[00:17:29] them a hands, how important
[00:17:32] diplomacy and real face to face
[00:17:35] diplomacy is in such a...
[00:17:38] like today, as a former
[00:17:40] diplomat, I of course see diplomacy as being
[00:17:44] a very important part of
[00:17:47] solving the world's problems, and in a way
[00:17:50] I'd distinguish between two kinds of things, there is what
[00:17:54] you referred to as face to face diplomacy, that
[00:17:58] is the traditional diplomacy, trying to solve
[00:18:01] problems, you mentioned the war in Ukraine, you mentioned
[00:18:05] war in the middle east, there's a kind of... half peace, half
[00:18:08] war going on between the United States and Israel on the one hand
[00:18:12] and Iran on the other side, and
[00:18:15] often it seems that these problems are
[00:18:18] intractable, you you cannot solve them
[00:18:22] by diplomacy, and I would just say
[00:18:26] that it's true that not all
[00:18:29] conflicts are ameenable to being
[00:18:31] solved right now by talks, when when the interests of the
[00:18:35] two sides are completely different. "and there is no common
[00:18:39] ground, I would say this is the case at the moment, for example between Ukraine and
[00:18:43] Russia, it's very difficult
[00:18:46] diplomatic solution. On the other hand, that doesn't mean
[00:18:50] you shouldn't go on working on such
[00:18:53] solution, and that's where my second point comes in really, that there are
[00:18:57] many lessons from diplomacy, there are many
[00:19:01] diplomatic techniques that you can use and which you should use
[00:19:05] all the time, so that when the..." soil
[00:19:08] is prepared if you like for solution, you're ready to go and
[00:19:11] you're not going to waste time because you haven't been
[00:19:14] preparing. mr. ambassador, we
[00:19:18] remember here in western balcans during
[00:19:20] 1990s that we had for
[00:19:23] example
[00:19:26] who was bulldozer who was bulldosing those
[00:19:29] leaders around when it comes to um dayton
[00:19:33] peace agreement and everything else and then we have
[00:19:35] later -
[00:19:38] but today we are not seeing a
[00:19:42] scene people like that. i
[00:19:44] remember jonathan from
[00:19:48] government in united kingdom in 1990 is good friday
[00:19:51] agreement and later when it came to
[00:19:54] Kosovo. do we need today people like
[00:19:58] that, the old old school of
[00:20:00] diplomacy to come in and use that
[00:20:04] knowledge and those lessons in diplomacy about which you
[00:20:07] wrote in your book to resolve issues
[00:20:11] like Ukraine or Middle East today. I think
[00:20:15] a lot of what you're talking about is two-fold:
[00:20:18] firstly, it's proactivity, it's having leaders, it's having
[00:20:22] countries which want to be proactive,
[00:20:26] and that in the past in the cases you refer to, the good
[00:20:30] friday agreement, it was a government in London that
[00:20:33] decided we're going to have a go at solving this problem, the government of...
[00:20:37] Tony Blair, and with the help of Jonathan Powel, who's a remarkable guy,
[00:20:41] I used to work with him in Vienna back in the 80s, and
[00:20:45] he's still at the heart of government now in in number 10
[00:20:48] Downing Street with. the help of Jonathan Power, because they took the
[00:20:52] initiative, they managed to solve
[00:20:55] that, what seemed to be an impossible problem in
[00:20:59] Northern Ireland, and you mentioned the Balkans, again,
[00:21:02] the fact that you had a US envoy who
[00:21:06] was prepared to invest
[00:21:10] the president, who was deeply knowledgeable about the
[00:21:13] region, made it possible to
[00:21:16] achieve some results in the western Balkans, now that's one thing is:
[00:21:20] a country that's involved, but then do you have the people? uh, I don't want
[00:21:24] to be rude about anybody, but when we
[00:21:28] the US government over the last few years to, or
[00:21:32] last 18 months really, to resolve the crisis
[00:21:35] in Ukraine or to resolve the crisis in
[00:21:39] Gaza, or to resolve the crisis in um,
[00:21:43] between Iran and the US and Israel, I'm a bit
[00:21:46] dismed to see that it's always the same... couple of
[00:21:50] envoys, the the're people who have the trust of
[00:21:53] President Trump, which of course is very important, but when
[00:21:57] you're going to negotiate a nuclear deal with
[00:22:01] Iran, you need to have really deep
[00:22:04] expertise. now I've been pretty shocked to hear some of those envoys
[00:22:07] saying, uh, this is pretty straightforward. similarly, if
[00:22:10] you're dealing with Israel, Gaza, that's a, that's a
[00:22:14] conflict that stretches back through the decades and then of
[00:22:17] course Ukraine, Russia, I was, I mean, I've got to name names
[00:22:21] here. I was very shocked to see Mr. Steve Witkoff
[00:22:25] coming back from Moscow, which I think he's visited six, seven or
[00:22:29] eight times, never having been to Kieve as far as I
[00:22:32] know, um, to see Mr. Witkoff come back from
[00:22:36] Moscow, talking in Russian sound
[00:22:39] bites, saying that Ukraine is not a real country, or giving weight
[00:22:43] to the fake referendums that Russia held
[00:22:46] in parts of Ukraine that it had occupied by Force.
[00:22:50] so you need both things: you need to have an engaged
[00:22:53] government, and then you have to have really top
[00:22:56] people who know their stuff, who are able to get
[00:23:00] stuck into solving a conflict, and even that may not be enough if
[00:23:04] the time is not right, but those people should be engaged all the time,
[00:23:08] and if you look back over history at the
[00:23:10] great states men and states women who have become involved
[00:23:14] in crisis resolution over the years, there
[00:23:17] are some very important names there. Mr.
[00:23:21] Ambassador, um, you wrote in your book and you
[00:23:24] introduce um, the oxygen mask
[00:23:27] principle, and you're speaking about,
[00:23:30] um, leaders becoming incapable in
[00:23:34] decision um making, how
[00:23:36] dangerous is when we have a leaders like that, for
[00:23:40] example, a president Trump
[00:23:43] who is always playing
[00:23:47] games with decision, he's gna
[00:23:50] uh attack them today, he's not gonna attack them in the
[00:23:54] evening, how important is that we have a
[00:23:58] leader who gets that advice and then um makes
[00:24:01] a decision based on that advice?
[00:24:05] well, I would say first of all that President Trump
[00:24:09] is of course very important world leader
[00:24:12] whose decisions carry a
[00:24:15] attempting to resolve crises around the
[00:24:18] world, but he's he appears to
[00:24:22] almost make it part of his USP to be
[00:24:26] unpredictable, he likes to be unpredictable, he thinks that's
[00:24:29] from his earlier experience, including outside
[00:24:32] politics, he thinks that being unpredictable is a
[00:24:35] good way to get what you want, and I'm just not
[00:24:39] sure in whether the his record over the last
[00:24:43] 18 months really shows that, and you refer
[00:24:46] to the principle of the oxygen mask, Esmir.
[00:24:50] and I do agree that's very important in in the book, actually I the
[00:24:54] first chapter is called how to survive a crisis
[00:24:58] and I sometimes try to distill
[00:25:01] the lessons of that chapter into three simple
[00:25:05] lessons. The first one is to be prepared and to
[00:25:08] practice and practice and practice for crisis
[00:25:12] management before the crisis happens, that way you'll have the
[00:25:15] best way of being able to solve whatever problem it is that
[00:25:19] comes along. "the second lesson is that
[00:25:22] sometimes counterintuitively,
[00:25:25] it's better to do nothing than to do something, when a crisis
[00:25:29] happens, you always have this feeling we've got to do
[00:25:32] something, and sometimes it's like when a
[00:25:35] bomb goes off outside, don't go to the window, you you're very tempted to go
[00:25:39] and look out and see what's happened, but what you should do of course is go to
[00:25:43] the interior of the building in case second bomb goes off, and then the
[00:25:46] third principle that I talk about, as you mentioned there is the..."
[00:25:50] principle of put your own oxygen mask on first, we know
[00:25:54] this from when we've been on aircraft, and they do that safety
[00:25:57] briefing that you don't listen to because you've heard it 20 times before,
[00:26:01] and they say if you're traveling with a child or somebody who's
[00:26:04] disabled, make sure you put your oxygen mask on
[00:26:07] first, look after yourself, because if
[00:26:11] you put your child's oxygen mask on first, they can't help
[00:26:15] you when you don't have enough oxygen, and the the lesson
[00:26:18] really is that leaders need to make sure that they are
[00:26:22] top form, they're in the best possible shape
[00:26:26] when a crisis may be around the
[00:26:28] corner. mr. ambassador, you know Russia well,
[00:26:32] but you also know Ukraine recently an interview
[00:26:36] um on Sky News uh Baroness May former prime
[00:26:39] minister said that um
[00:26:42] US president shouldn't
[00:26:45] trust um Russian president and she
[00:26:49] says I quote her once a KGB man always a
[00:26:52] KGB man and you also write in your book about the
[00:26:56] threat of transactional
[00:26:58] diplomacy and you mentioned just recently uh
[00:27:02] with and his um talking points basically being
[00:27:06] a Moscow talking points, how
[00:27:09] dangerous that transactional um
[00:27:12] relationship is, especially when it comes
[00:27:15] to um situations like this,
[00:27:18] wars and conflicts, especially in a contagious
[00:27:21] areas like middle east and Ukraine.
[00:27:25] I think the point here is
[00:27:28] that the Soviet Union as it was,
[00:27:32] after 1917 was, if you like, an
[00:27:36] embryonic communist state, which was for the
[00:27:39] first 10, 20, 30, 40 years of its
[00:27:42] existence an existential crisis. they were
[00:27:46] in danger of being wiped out, whether by the white Russians, whether by
[00:27:49] internal descent, whether it was by the famins that they brought about,
[00:27:53] especially in Ukraine, or whether it was by
[00:27:56] um, the Nazi Germany, and so the Soviet
[00:28:00] system laid an enormous amount of
[00:28:03] weight on the control of information, and it took the
[00:28:07] view that it was perfectly reasonable to lie
[00:28:10] and to deceive not only your opponents, but also
[00:28:13] your own people, if that was in the greater
[00:28:17] good of the glorious Soviet
[00:28:20] Union, and many of those uh
[00:28:24] lessons, if you like, or many of that thinking has been
[00:28:27] incorporated in the Russian leadership of today. I
[00:28:31] I often quote,
[00:28:33] a talk by Kim Philby who was a
[00:28:35] British spy who spied for the Soviet
[00:28:39] Union, um, he was in MI6, in what is called
[00:28:42] SIS these days, the secret intelligence service, as head of the Russia
[00:28:46] section, and then he escaped to the Soviet Union, and
[00:28:50] back in the 70s, I think it was, he gave a lecture to
[00:28:53] Starsy recruits, the East German security recruits
[00:28:57] in Berlin, and you can find it on the internet, it's in English,
[00:29:01] amazingly uh, Kim Philby never learned
[00:29:04] Russian um and he basically says,
[00:29:07] if you are accused of something, just deny
[00:29:10] it and keep denying it, if they come up with something written in your
[00:29:14] handwriting, say it's a forgery and so
[00:29:17] on, and of course all governments lie
[00:29:20] sometimes, um, no, no government tells the truth all the
[00:29:24] time, but I think the Russian leadership
[00:29:28] have very disciplined, very organized
[00:29:31] system of... consistently lying and
[00:29:34] denying, we saw it for example with the shooting down of the Malaysian
[00:29:38] airliner MH17 over Eastern
[00:29:42] Ukraine in 2014, where
[00:29:45] Russia has continued to deny having anything to do with
[00:29:48] it for year after year, even though it's been proven conclusively
[00:29:52] that it was a Russian unit that shot that aircraft down, so
[00:29:56] there is this enormous issue with Russia
[00:30:00] continuing continually.
[00:30:02] responsibility for all sorts of things that it is responsible
[00:30:06] for, and you refer Esmier to
[00:30:09] transactional politics. I think
[00:30:12] when we look at for example, the Russia Ukraine
[00:30:16] crisis, there seems to be a belief in some
[00:30:19] quarters that, well, Russia has
[00:30:22] got so much of Ukraine, we've got to end this war, so
[00:30:26] let's accept that they
[00:30:29] have control over part of Ukraine, let's let's give them something, give them.
[00:30:32] crimea or give them some part of eastern Ukraine to bring this
[00:30:37] close, but the principles
[00:30:40] of territorial integrity and
[00:30:43] the principles of it not being legal to
[00:30:47] invade your neighbor and occupy it are
[00:30:50] extremely important, and it's
[00:30:53] not that you can give a bit and take a bit and
[00:30:57] that'll all be okay, if the international community.