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[00:01:26] we continue with Live Day after the incident that marked
[00:01:30] the visit of Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić to Bugojno. The focus of the public
[00:01:33] was on questions of coordination of police agencies, adherence
[00:01:37] to security procedures and the entry of members of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Republika
[00:01:41] Srpska into the territory of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and vice versa,
[00:01:44] the Federal Minister of Internal Affairs. Ramo Isak is with us in the continuation, good day
[00:01:48] and welcome, good day to you, good day to your viewers.
[00:01:52] It has been, well, more than seven days since this event,
[00:01:56] however, this topic is still dominant in Bosnian-Herzegovinian
[00:01:59] and... regional public, considering everything that has
[00:02:02] happened, uh, you said that members of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
[00:02:05] of Central Bosnia Canton did everything in accordance with
[00:02:08] the law, on the other hand, your colleague, the Minister of Internal Affairs
[00:02:12] of Republika Srpska, Željko Budimir, says that it was not
[00:02:15] the intention to carry out illegal activities, that an oversight
[00:02:19] occurred, do you believe his explanation, considering
[00:02:22] everything that happened that day? Well, you see, if we take into
[00:02:26] account the situation that was happening and the situations that have been happening for
[00:02:30] about 15 years in Bosnia and Herzegovina, that
[00:02:33] is, the Federation and Republika Srpska, we cannot believe
[00:02:37] the thesis put forward by the esteemed colleague,
[00:02:40] but if we consider that on the same day or
[00:02:44] the next day, the director of the RS police contacted
[00:02:48] the director of my Federal Police Administration and contacted
[00:02:51] the director, uh, the director of, pardon,
[00:02:54] the commissioner of Central Bosnia Canton and said the same
[00:02:58] thing, let's say. "We can understand it,
[00:03:01] we can understand it as an attempt to justify
[00:03:05] the actions they took, but in fact, which may have had something else
[00:03:09] as a goal, I at this moment really have to congratulate
[00:03:12] the commissioner of uh, Central Bosnia Canton, that is,
[00:03:16] the police of Central Bosnia Canton and the director of the Federal
[00:03:19] Police Administration, I was informed on the same day, I was involved on the same day,
[00:03:23] the actions they took, the police
[00:03:26] of Central Bosnia Canton, we can
[00:03:30] congratulate them, they did it professionally, qualitatively, and showed that
[00:03:33] there is coordination between police bodies when it comes to
[00:03:36] the Federation, that means Canton 10, uh,
[00:03:40] Central Bosnia Canton and the Federal Police Administration, and
[00:03:43] I think maybe it's even good that something like this happened,
[00:03:47] so that those who have something completely different as a goal, see
[00:03:50] that the police in the Federation do their job qualitatively and professionally
[00:03:54] and showed at this moment great professionalism
[00:03:58] and quality. And you see this, it certainly had something
[00:04:01] else as a goal, some incident, maybe some
[00:04:04] some undercurrents that could have
[00:04:08] ended up differently if there was a different reaction. You see, who would have been
[00:04:11] responsible for such a situation? Of course, those who came to the territory without
[00:04:15] consent, without proper
[00:04:17] notification, would be responsible. Why? You see, the police of Republika Srpska
[00:04:21] could have simply informed the Federation
[00:04:25] that they had certain activities in the territory of Republika
[00:04:28] Srpska, and we would have given them support and it would have been done jointly, there would have been no
[00:04:32] problems. No, they tried to show some strength, some
[00:04:35] strictness, and in the end they showed shortcomings,
[00:04:38] lack of quality, they showed ,
[00:04:41] ultimately, that Bosnia and Herzegovina has its
[00:04:44] institutions, that the federal, that the federal
[00:04:48] police in the Federation work qualitatively in accordance with
[00:04:51] the law, that their goal is the safety of citizens, that their
[00:04:55] goal is a qualitative solution to problems, not that their
[00:04:58] goal is to provoke conflicts. At this moment, it would be most interesting, that
[00:05:01] means for politicians, because this is an election year and so
[00:05:05] on, if a person who wanted to create politicking, not to deal
[00:05:09] professionally with his work, was in the position of Federal Minister of Internal Affairs
[00:05:13] and had caused conflicts there, that they had arrested
[00:05:16] someone, maybe probably someone and
[00:05:19] many actually somewhere point out as a
[00:05:23] complaint to the federal police, that is, the police
[00:05:26] of the Central Bosnia Canton, why they did not identify all those
[00:05:30] persons who were at that moment in that group. Everything that was necessary,
[00:05:34] they did. All persons were identified, vehicles were
[00:05:37] identified, persons were removed from the scene,
[00:05:41] uh escorted in accordance with
[00:05:45] the law and in accordance with procedures. That means there are procedures when it comes
[00:05:48] to such matters. It was not just ordinary citizens,
[00:05:52] it was not some activity that happened somewhere, these are
[00:05:55] serious, these are serious matters. This was done qualitatively, we had
[00:05:59] a problem with Potocari, you know well and you know well that it was determined
[00:06:03] despite some Bosniaks that some Serbian services
[00:06:06] participated in what happened and they are just waiting to
[00:06:10] create such a situation so that something would happen in the Federation, that
[00:06:14] is, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Their mistake is that every time they embark on such
[00:06:17] activities, they are met by professionals who work in accordance
[00:06:21] with the law. You see, you remember Dodik, who played and
[00:06:25] sang in the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina while those governments were
[00:06:29] in power, now they are criticizing something, so if they were capable, why didn't they solve it?
[00:06:33] And you remember the moment when by order of the Prosecutor's Office of the Court of
[00:06:36] Bosnia and Herzegovina, Dodik had a warrant in the Federation,
[00:06:40] he did not move until he reached an agreement with the Prosecutor's Office to allow
[00:06:44] him to come to the court, the Prosecutor's Office, he did not move.
[00:06:47] That means these people work professionally. Here, now these incidents
[00:06:50] and many other incidents that maybe citizens don't know about, which happened in
[00:06:54] the territories of both the Federation and Republika Srpska. What is
[00:06:57] happening? We do our work professionally, I say the police work
[00:07:01] professionally and qualitatively, and I congratulate the police on that
[00:07:05] way, it is the only way we can resist all these possible,
[00:07:09] especially now there will be even more because this is an election
[00:07:12] year. Someone wants to create a crisis, just like those in
[00:07:15] Herzegovina who are creating a crisis with these fans, so they also
[00:07:19] tried to create some crisis where it would
[00:07:21] escalate, lead to some problems, lead to arrests, maybe
[00:07:25] even lead to the use of weapons and so on, then they would send a message, "Look,
[00:07:28] the Federation is unsafe," that is Bosnia and Herzegovina. No,
[00:07:32] it has been shown that the Federation is safe, that it is working
[00:07:35] in the way that is prescribed and the procedures that are
[00:07:39] necessary, meaning all persons are identified, it is known who
[00:07:42] is what, how, to which unit, who belongs from all these people and
[00:07:46] so on, but we shouldn't burden the public
[00:07:49] with that. Important point, the public knows and I received a large number
[00:07:53] of messages from citizens, congratulating on the professionally done job.
[00:07:57] I mean, to be honest, I was involved in all of that, but it's not me
[00:08:01] who should be congratulated, it's the commissioner
[00:08:04] of Central Bosnia Canton and all the police officers who were involved
[00:08:07] in that action. You mentioned Milorad Dodik, in one interview you
[00:08:11] said that you had put Dodik in his place,
[00:08:14] considering that, regardless of the fact that Dodik is no
[00:08:18] longer the President of Republika Srpska, uh,
[00:08:21] he still controls almost all political processes, you will agree with
[00:08:25] me on that, not only in Republika Srpska, but it seems
[00:08:28] in Bosnia and Herzegovina through his representatives. Is Dodik
[00:08:32] eliminated from political life? You see, we must
[00:08:35] be honest, Dodik is truly eliminated from political
[00:08:38] life, these are the last gasps where
[00:08:41] certain structures that currently sit on the political
[00:08:45] scene, who are naturally in those positions thanks
[00:08:48] to Mr. Dodik, they still have some kind of relationship with
[00:08:52] Dodik, so does the HDZ of Bosnia and Herzegovina, We saw
[00:08:56] recent meetings, and you see, the HDZ of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the HDZ of Bosnia
[00:09:00] and Herzegovina is a political option that looks after its own
[00:09:03] interest, they don't care about Dodik, for them Dodik was an ideal partner at
[00:09:07] the moment while they were poisoning the public with the idea that Croats
[00:09:10] were endangered. Croats fared best in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:09:12] in Bosnia and Herzegovina. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bosniaks,
[00:09:16] Bosniak Muslims are endangered, so it's best for Croats to draw the
[00:09:19] line, there are very few of them at this moment,
[00:09:23] you see, there are very few of them in the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina, very
[00:09:27] many of them are in state, federal and cantonal
[00:09:30] institutions, they account for 40% in
[00:09:34] the Federation thanks to those policies that were in place before, they account
[00:09:37] for over 40%, we can say even 50% of the people who
[00:09:41] are not there, how many are currently in the Federation, some censuses supposedly
[00:09:45] were not published because there are not even 10% of them in the Federation,
[00:09:49] that is, Bosnia and Herzegovina. People manage
[00:09:52] all possible resources, someone enabled them to do that and
[00:09:55] talked about being
[00:09:57] threatened. Currently in Bosnia and Herzegovina, the most threatened
[00:10:01] are Bosniaks, Bosnians, Muslims, people whose
[00:10:05] politics led and we were not threatened by either the HDZ or Milorad
[00:10:08] Dodik, we were threatened by our Bosniak politics which
[00:10:12] continues, you see what it is doing just to keep
[00:10:15] their chairs. Two days ago, one day ago,
[00:10:19] some portal published a political option that gives
[00:10:22] instructions to its members on what to do,
[00:10:26] to badmouth me. Now imagine what kind of politics gives instructions to its members to
[00:10:29] badmouth me and my family in order to build something for itself. Well, I
[00:10:33] will not badmouth them, I will just tell them one thing, all those who
[00:10:37] sat in positions and held
[00:10:40] positions while they were in power, are all at
[00:10:43] the prison gates. That means that, but here, Bakir Izetbegović accuses
[00:10:46] the "troika" of handing over very important ministries
[00:10:49] and institutions, of agreeing to political concessions to
[00:10:53] both the HDZ and the SDA.
[00:10:55] Well, you see, if the HDZ, if the troika did that, it should be held accountable for
[00:10:59] it. All of us, the Federation, all those who
[00:11:03] hold positions, should be held accountable for their
[00:11:06] part, if they did that, they should be held accountable. But if, but if
[00:11:10] we take it mathematically, I will answer you now, if we take it mathematically, the positions
[00:11:14] that were held and the positions that are now held, that is not true.
[00:11:18] The SDA, that means, I am speaking openly in your studio, the SDA gave
[00:11:21] everything to everyone just to stay in power, and to this day they would
[00:11:25] give everything to return to power, only thank God they will not be
[00:11:28] in power because you see, the citizens of Bosnia and
[00:11:31] Herzegovina, of Bosnia and Herzegovina, have recognized the
[00:11:34] policy they are pursuing. You cannot pursue a policy
[00:11:38] of mudslinging, I never do that. Mudslinging politics is not good
[00:11:42] politics, politics is about deeds. The ministry I manage was brought
[00:11:45] to the point of being shut down by them, personally by them. Not by me. That ministry is
[00:11:49] now the most qualitative, most stable, with the best salaries, with the best equipment,
[00:11:53] and it was on the verge of being... its budget, I don't know exactly, but what
[00:11:56] belongs to the ministry, not to other levels of government, was about
[00:12:00] 9 million. That same budget with 29 million, what do I want to say
[00:12:03] and the same goes for the Federal Police Administration and so on and so forth,
[00:12:07] equipment, nothing, wherever they are,
[00:12:11] whatever they did, they conceded. I was
[00:12:14] sitting in parliament when there was a question
[00:12:17] of appointing certain people and those from the SDA said, "Okay,
[00:12:20] come on, take us into power, we will vote on it on the same day." That means,
[00:12:24] you see, I am sitting. I know all those people, we know each other, I have been sitting in
[00:12:27] parliaments, houses of peoples and so on since 2006, I know how they
[00:12:30] thought, now they are calling out someone there, they were with me in 18. 22 in
[00:12:34] power, this, take everything they conceded to me then when I was in power,
[00:12:38] take what I have now, that means all that they conceded to me, they are now calling out
[00:12:41] others and blaming others, no, they did that and another
[00:12:45] thing, this that they are doing now, this politics, this, you know,
[00:12:48] "spit, insult" and so on, well, wait, we don't need to spit or
[00:12:52] insult. We just need to take what they did, and believe
[00:12:56] me, that party after the death of the late President Alija Izetbegović
[00:12:59] turned into a
[00:13:02] some lobby of personal interests, it is not
[00:13:06] anymore a lobby of this state of Bosnia and Herzegovina, of the Bosniak people, no, they
[00:13:10] are, they are the most, what Dodik is doing to the people in
[00:13:14] Republika Srpska, that is, to Serbs and the damage he is causing to those
[00:13:17] people, these ones have caused us even greater damage. So you say you were with one,
[00:13:21] now you are with another, I was in power with
[00:13:24] one. Line - who was more effective
[00:13:28] specifically in the field of economy, Izetbegović claims that the
[00:13:31] results of the Troika are a humiliation of Bosniaks and an economic
[00:13:35] collapse? And you see, you see, I would be
[00:13:38] ashamed, I would be ashamed if I were
[00:13:42] a person who managed systems for 30 years
[00:13:45] and so on, brought this country to where
[00:13:49] it is now, and then I blame others. I cannot
[00:13:52] blame Izetbegović as Izetbegović, but I blame
[00:13:55] all those around him and all those he appointed to positions.
[00:13:59] Do you want me to tell you the story about Novalić, how
[00:14:03] Novalić became prime minister, what he did
[00:14:06] privately, where he was, how they physically removed him from the position
[00:14:09] he was appointed to, yes. But what I want to say is that I
[00:14:13] can tell you about every SDA cadre, meaning
[00:14:17] uh, those people looked after their personal interests. You see if there are
[00:14:20] such people in these circles, I won't go into that, I can
[00:14:24] answer for myself. When I received information that a
[00:14:28] member of my political option, who is part of our
[00:14:31] story, was involved in some activities that were not in accordance with the law, I
[00:14:35] personally went to the Federal Police Administration and reported that person,
[00:14:39] me personally, because I believed that a person who engages in illegal activities
[00:14:42] cannot be next to me. Mr. Izetbegović, the Troika, and everyone
[00:14:46] else should have done that, but they are not doing it. I do not
[00:14:49] want, I do not want to engage in politics, to cause
[00:14:53] harm, to work against the people. It would be the same as if during
[00:14:56] the war we turned our weapons and started shooting at each other,
[00:15:01] letting go of our lines. Don't let's do that. You mention
[00:15:04] weapons, uh, when there was uh talk of
[00:15:07] arresting Milorad Dodik, you asked the competent judicial
[00:15:11] institutions for an order to arrest
[00:15:13] him. Do you today believe
[00:15:17] that action would have been smart and realistically feasible
[00:15:20] or would it have jeopardized, say, the security of
[00:15:23] police officers? Well, and the citizens themselves. Well, you see, I have to be
[00:15:27] honest, I worked in the service for about 20 years, it was my job to
[00:15:30] apprehend people for whom there were warrants, for criminals and so on. Never.
[00:15:34] postoje potjernice, za kriminalce i tako dal nikad.
[00:15:41] Not quite so high-ranking, but there were, we apprehended politicians
[00:15:44] and then also those who were in high
[00:15:47] positions. What I want to say is, uh, then
[00:15:51] when I took over that job, I was, that means,
[00:15:54] ready to sacrifice my life to do the job I do, because
[00:15:58] every police officer sacrifices their life every day. Yes, but you wouldn't
[00:16:01] just sacrifice your own, or endanger, but maybe someone else's. I agree,
[00:16:05] I agree with you, you see, it's about estimates. Based on estimates, we get
[00:16:09] information whether an action can succeed or not. We then made all
[00:16:13] the necessary estimates, we then had information that we could carry out
[00:16:16] that action, perform it. You see,
[00:16:19] whether something would have happened or not, it would be incorrect for me to say
[00:16:23] "Oh, the action would have succeeded 100%, no one would have been harmed on either side,"
[00:16:27] that would be unprofessional, because there are
[00:16:30] unforeseen circumstances, and those unforeseen circumstances cannot
[00:16:33] be known until the moment happens. We, that is,
[00:16:36] the authorities, not me, the authorities made all the estimates. They informed
[00:16:40] me that they were ready and could carry out the action with
[00:16:43] minimal problems, or as they say, to achieve
[00:16:47] a minimum of minimums. And then we
[00:16:51] naturally, when we received all that information from relevant persons,
[00:16:54] asked to be allowed to carry out that action. That
[00:16:58] action would have been carried out, it would have been successful, Milorad Dodik would have been
[00:17:02] arrested 100%. Now, what else would have happened, that's the problem,
[00:17:06] those are the unforeseen things. Things that we wouldn't be able to
[00:17:09] influence. I think, I think from this perspective, and I must be
[00:17:12] absolutely honest, that certain institutions did their job well,
[00:17:16] that this way it was done
[00:17:19] is better than the way we would have done it then, but you see, we were
[00:17:23] then forced to offer to do it
[00:17:27] because at that time everyone was silent and everyone at one
[00:17:30] moment, we can be honest, worked against
[00:17:33] the interests of the state. No one should be allowed to endanger the state.
[00:17:37] Milorad Dodik at that moment endangered both the state and
[00:17:41] the security of the state, the order and everything that is in
[00:17:44] some way impermissible, we who work in the positions we
[00:17:48] worked in had an obligation
[00:17:50] to ask to do what we asked and I am glad that
[00:17:54] we were ready, because you see this, you must understand,
[00:17:58] prevention is the strongest weapon, we acted preventively
[00:18:01] in a way that he was not allowed to move around the territory of the Federation, because he
[00:18:05] knew that he would be deprived of his liberty, that
[00:18:08] which we did, joint coordination
[00:18:11] of both cantonal and federal police forces and so
[00:18:15] on, in a way forced Mr. Dodik because at that moment
[00:18:18] he saw that it was no longer "you know, I play the accordion in
[00:18:22] the presidency, I insult the former president, his son
[00:18:26] there on the other side with that strongest political option
[00:18:29] does nothing," now some people have come who don't allow you to
[00:18:33] set foot on this Federation territory, let alone play anything
[00:18:37] there... We forced him to offer himself
[00:18:40] to the intelligence agency OSA, as well as
[00:18:43] the Prosecutor's Office and the Court of Bosnia and Herzegovina to come
[00:18:46] to court to do what he did, and you see, that
[00:18:50] means we have a way that we did it by action, okay,
[00:18:53] we have a way that we did it in this way,
[00:18:57] to be honest, I must be honest, uh, it was not
[00:19:00] only the Federal Police Administration and the Federal Ministry involved,
[00:19:03] it was not only the cantonal police involved, but also our
[00:19:07] intelligence agency, which I would like to thank on this occasion,
[00:19:11] because it played the main role in all these actions. You commented
[00:19:15] just now on the pre-election campaign which has not officially started yet, but
[00:19:18] definitely, when things are looked at realistically, it is in full swing,
[00:19:22] this raising of national tensions,
[00:19:25] uh, how do you comment on
[00:19:28] this vandalism in Međugorje, that incident that
[00:19:32] happened, is it actually part of that
[00:19:35] story? Yes, it is precisely part of that story. Yes, it is precisely part of that
[00:19:38] story, you saw my reaction, I reacted
[00:19:41] immediately, regardless of who it was about, I reacted,
[00:19:45] even though we immediately had information that, I mean,
[00:19:49] we had information, you had information about the perpetrators, yes, in what way? Well,
[00:19:53] simply certain police forces immediately reached
[00:19:56] the perpetrator, or rather the possible perpetrator. They informed
[00:20:00] us, we just asked for everything to be expedited. I congratulate the police
[00:20:04] who worked on that case.
[00:20:07] "Because with qualitative work by the police, I am glad that
[00:20:11] in a way, the police are slowly moving away from those
[00:20:14] negative politics and when it comes to certain things, they try to finish their
[00:20:18] job professionally. Many say the police work, but the
[00:20:21] judiciary works. Well, you see, I have to be honest, I always
[00:20:25] tried not to be, we have people in the judiciary
[00:20:29] who work qualitatively and professionally, and we congratulate
[00:20:33] them, the majority or the minority? Well, the problem is that it's
[00:20:36] somewhere in the middle, that's the biggest problem. If they were the majority, I would be
[00:20:39] satisfied, we wouldn't have a problem, the state would function
[00:20:43] when you have a majority that works, but I must be honest, it's not
[00:20:46] like that, we have a large number of people who work in the judiciary.
[00:20:50] They will come, and for sure, in the near future, there will be cases
[00:20:53] of certain investigations, that means, follow me, there will surely be cases
[00:20:57] of certain investigations, because you see, we need to stop
[00:21:00] dealing with political cases and we need to stop
[00:21:04] dealing with those unimportant things, we need to
[00:21:08] start working in the interest of our state, you see,
[00:21:11] if a person commits a certain criminal offense,
[00:21:15] if that criminal offense through preventive
[00:21:17] action, that is a... In what way,
[00:21:21] that the sentence should be maximum, that means not that he can go to the prosecutor,
[00:21:25] agree there for a year probation, six
[00:21:28] months probation, the court confirms, well, stop, you are sending
[00:21:32] a message to all other perpetrators of criminal offenses, come, we will
[00:21:35] agree, this is not a problem, it cannot
[00:21:38] be like that, if the sentence is prescribed from one to three years,
[00:21:42] impose a three-year sentence, and believe
[00:21:45] me, when those perpetrators of criminal offenses see
[00:21:49] that maximum sentences are imposed, they will not be tempted to
[00:21:52] commit them again, they will not commit a new criminal offense or
[00:21:56] repeat it, and also people will not be
[00:21:59] tempted to commit such acts, but they will say, wait a minute, we have to
[00:22:03] think, you see, institutions
[00:22:06] do their job, because when a state's transition is happening, especially when
[00:22:10] you see, it's sad that our transitions are not yet finished, 30 years
[00:22:13] have passed since the war, these transitions are done immediately after the war,
[00:22:17] then the courts, take a look at that old state. Then
[00:22:20] look before that, then the courts issue such rigorous
[00:22:24] sentences that in a way
[00:22:27] they scare the perpetrators
[00:22:30] of those illegal acts, so that they do not
[00:22:33] commit such an act, not with us, everything is somehow, someone is making
[00:22:36] deals with someone, I mean, it's ridiculous, then you see
[00:22:39] arrests, well, these kinds of arrests should be forbidden, you see, I say
[00:22:43] responsibly, it's just masks jumping in, jumping out,
[00:22:46] taking people out there and what happens in the end. Nothing,
[00:22:50] he says, cases are still falling, he says, they apologize there,
[00:22:54] this, well, stop, how are you sending a message to citizens,
[00:22:57] that means, make assessments, do it. In my time, it was
[00:23:01] done like that, there was never a spectacle when it came to something
[00:23:05] small, but here, for example, now when it was happening, uh, this
[00:23:09] two shootings in Eastern Sarajevo on the
[00:23:12] entity line, there was a noticeable presence of federal
[00:23:16] police armed with long barreled weapons. "What
[00:23:20] was, what was the goal of that action? To prevent
[00:23:24] the perpetrators from crossing into the other entity or? No, no, no, no,
[00:23:27] you see, that means, you see, there was a presence of both
[00:23:31] RS police and federal police, much more federal police than
[00:23:34] Republika Srpska, so you see, that means
[00:23:38] they do their job better then, if there was a greater presence, even though I
[00:23:42] crossed this our
[00:23:45] administrative line and I saw a large number of police officers on one side,
[00:23:48] and a large number of police officers on the other side,
[00:23:52] and that is normal, that means that is a normal
[00:23:55] police procedure in moments when those clashes that are happening
[00:23:59] are taking place, and how do you comment on that, of course, it is not within your jurisdiction,
[00:24:03] especially since it is in another entity, but that reaction
[00:24:06] of the police in Eastern
[00:24:09] Sarajevo, so many assess it as weak, that
[00:24:13] attempt to negotiate with one of the perpetrators
[00:24:17] of attempted murder.
[00:24:19] You see. You see, it would be incorrect for me to comment
[00:24:23] because, but as someone with long-standing police experience,
[00:24:27] I assume you have an opinion on that, but of course I have an opinion, but
[00:24:30] you see, we must understand one circumstance,
[00:24:34] we don't know everything
[00:24:38] that happened, that means we, citizens, well, I can
[00:24:42] say as a citizen, not just a minister, I normally don't have all the information about what
[00:24:46] happened. If it happened in Sarajevo, in your area of responsibility,
[00:24:50] would the police reaction be more rigorous? Well, I can only,
[00:24:53] I can only answer that simply, briefly: the persons who committed
[00:24:57] that act would be deprived of their liberty. I think that's correct of me.
[00:25:01] I can say that it has been proven in many cases. You
[00:25:04] know very well where we had similar or identical situations
[00:25:08] in the Federation, we can say that all persons who were
[00:25:12] participants in such or similar criminal acts
[00:25:15] were deprived of their liberty. For the rest of the jurisdiction, again, we return to the same
[00:25:19] prosecution and courts where we cannot interfere, that
[00:25:22] means citizens must understand that the police do their
[00:25:26] job, everything else is the responsibility of someone else. At the moment when
[00:25:30] I was working in our time, it wasn't like that. We,
[00:25:33] police officers, actually 90%
[00:25:37] did and our proposals that went towards, then there was no
[00:25:40] uh, then there was an investigative judge, if you remember, he
[00:25:44] led the investigation, he mainly acted on our
[00:25:48] proposals. Now it's quite a bit different.
[00:25:51] Mm, do I agree with this? As
[00:25:54] a person who dealt with these matters, I think
[00:25:58] this is not quite adequate. I think it can be done much better, much
[00:26:01] more effectively. And
[00:26:04] I think there should be stronger, more
[00:26:07] effective coordination,
[00:26:10] communication, a way of functioning
[00:26:13] between police
[00:26:15] agencies, judicial institutions and, of course,
[00:26:19] citizens, because citizens are our most important coordination. Did this incident in Bugojno
[00:26:22] disrupt the coordination of police agencies in Bosnia and Herzegovina? Did it disturb
[00:26:26] it in some way and, you see, endanger it? Well, you see,
[00:26:29] did it cause an incident?
[00:26:33] Yes. Did it endanger it? No, because there was an immediate reaction from both sides,
[00:26:37] we must be honest. That means their director immediately
[00:26:40] contacted our officials.
[00:26:43] Measures were taken as they should be in accordance with,
[00:26:47] in accordance with procedures, in accordance with the law. They will
[00:26:51] initiate their procedures, we have initiated our part, we have sent everything that was needed
[00:26:54] to the competent institutions. So it's not, maybe it's
[00:26:58] good that this happened and that it went this way, to
[00:27:02] send a message that such things cannot happen,
[00:27:05] that there are police agencies in the
[00:27:08] Federation that will act according to the law and do everything
[00:27:12] necessary to not endanger the safety of citizens. So that means
[00:27:15] we can say that maybe, you see, as they say, in every
[00:27:19] evil there is something good. In this evil, it's good that we
[00:27:23] sent a serious, professional, high-quality message. If I had been
[00:27:26] the Minister of Police when this happened in Potočari, if my
[00:27:30] people had coordinated then, it wouldn't have happened, I responsibly
[00:27:33] claim, it wouldn't have happened, because everything can be coordinated,
[00:27:37] communicated, and appropriate measures taken, because
[00:27:40] you see, an important point is to take a measure that will not
[00:27:44] lead to an incident. At the moment of communication with
[00:27:48] directors, with commissioners, I
[00:27:51] normally, with my colleagues, ministers, we looked at how to do it
[00:27:55] so that it would be in accordance with the law. One is your
[00:27:58] perspective, the other is the perspective of police officers who are in the field, who may
[00:28:02] be. You see, they are, no, no, they are professional, they have shown their
[00:28:06] professionalism, and they have shown that quality. I tell you,
[00:28:09] I officially praised
[00:28:12] these police officers who participated, of course, and
[00:28:15] the commissioner. I personally called him after our calls, conversations, everything
[00:28:19] was finished, to personally congratulate him, because
[00:28:23] you see, we must uh, as we know how to criticize certain
[00:28:27] things that are not right, you know well when there are omissions, both police and so
[00:28:30] on, so we should also praise
[00:28:32] those who do their job well, so that people see
[00:28:36] that someone notices that quality, that no one, that their
[00:28:40] training which they do every day, when they conduct it well
[00:28:42] in the field, that it is not a useless exercise, that it is an exercise
[00:28:46] that this country needs, and believe me, I must be
[00:28:50] honest, police agencies in Bosnia and
[00:28:53] Herzegovina as a whole are certainly on a high
[00:28:56] task. Please, here, please, I always criticize and then
[00:29:00] some people come to me, begging me, "Don't, Minister, you are causing
[00:29:04] revolt and they are thinking about what they will do to you, what they will do to you." They can't do anything,
[00:29:08] I am not afraid of anyone or anything. Here, I ask the judicial
[00:29:11] institutions to pay a little more attention to the work of police
[00:29:14] agencies, to give them a little better support, because
[00:29:18] quality support for police agencies, because that
[00:29:21] police officer, he has a feeling, he
[00:29:24] assesses the situation better than you there somewhere in the cabinet when you get
[00:29:28] it, so respect their proposals, and you will see how
[00:29:31] we will have an even better, even higher quality situation." Our time is slowly running out, and there are
[00:29:35] still a few topics that I would like to discuss. In recent
[00:29:39] days, you have been present in the media regarding the topic of
[00:29:42] legal regulation of sex change,
[00:29:45] and then it was speculated whether it was your proposal or not
[00:29:49] your proposal. You somehow reacted sharply to that
[00:29:52] information as if you were afraid to stand behind a proposal that
[00:29:56] is not yours. What is controversial? Well, you see, I am not afraid of anything.
[00:29:59] People are really strange. I am a person who never... injustice
[00:30:03] but you see, my
[00:30:06] colleagues from this political, no, my
[00:30:09] colleagues from that political option who initiated it, you know,
[00:30:13] that means my colleagues from that political option who are currently in opposition who
[00:30:17] initiated it and who, you see, but they didn't make any mistake, to
[00:30:20] cut a long story short, it's their obligation in accordance with the law, they had to
[00:30:24] do it, and they did their part of the job, and when they finished their
[00:30:28] part of the job, when it was announced that they had finished that part of the job,
[00:30:32] not me, they finished, then those colleagues started criticizing
[00:30:36] me, then they started spreading falsehoods. They, they claimed that
[00:30:39] I initiated that someone can change
[00:30:43] sex, well, I can initiate that someone can change something, I am neither
[00:30:46] authorized nor can I do that, that means they tried to
[00:30:49] manipulate citizens as if I want children to change
[00:30:53] that, well, I mean, you understand, but these are
[00:30:55] sick people, you see, imagine how much you need to avoid that.