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[00:00:00] The law on the internal agency is to further
[00:00:03] monitor homes, to monitor communications, to
[00:00:06] monitor the internal communication of Germans,
[00:00:10] in order to prevent certain
[00:00:14] crimes or certain attacks that could happen. This
[00:00:17] is mostly domestic terrorism, which is why they are doing this. They are doing this
[00:00:21] because in the past period they had several attacks in which they
[00:00:24] completely missed the mark, they absolutely had no
[00:00:28] information that it would happen.
[00:00:31] Um, this will perhaps be
[00:00:34] controversial in this German system
[00:00:38] for one reason, because we have already seen that such
[00:00:40] authorities, when given, were given, for example,
[00:00:44] to certain agencies within the United States after September
[00:00:48] 11th, when the attacks happened, that citizens
[00:00:51] also sued the government, that there were mistakes and that there were
[00:00:54] misinterpreted information, but there were also situations
[00:00:58] in which, based precisely on such things, for example, some
[00:01:02] people who tried to carry out attacks within the United States
[00:01:06] were arrested and people like Bin Laden were discovered in some locations where
[00:01:09] it was thought they could not be found, so here the Germans
[00:01:13] now hope that with these changes they will create
[00:01:17] a better situation for themselves, of course, all to
[00:01:20] try, at least in the opinion of most intelligence agencies, they will not
[00:01:24] get close to the British James Bonds, i.e.,
[00:01:27] MI6, which was recently declared the best
[00:01:31] intelligence agency in the world. Yes, to
[00:01:34] conclude, the Iranian war, the events in the Middle East significantly affect the
[00:01:38] tourist image, but also the industry in Europe. The latest data show that
[00:01:41] passenger behavior has indeed
[00:01:45] here, guest of the new day, Dino Selimović, director
[00:01:48] of the International Sarajevo Airport, said that the structure of guests coming
[00:01:52] to Bosnia and Herzegovina has changed, that there are fewer
[00:01:55] travelers from the Gulf, and more from Europe.
[00:01:59] Well, that's what we're going to
[00:02:02] talk about right now, and the biggest
[00:02:04] uh
[00:02:06] that's the biggest change, and um the agency which is one of
[00:02:09] the biggest travel agencies in the world now says what is
[00:02:13] changing. Passengers wait until the last minute to decide
[00:02:17] on travel depending on
[00:02:20] how many available
[00:02:23] published by USKOK show that in tickets and flights and everything there are. We have already received information from
[00:02:26] the International Energy Agency that
[00:02:30] be, we will forget there is less oil on the market, which means less kerosene,
[00:02:33] which means it will be harder for flights,
[00:02:35] which um practically means
[00:02:39] that we have a situation where people will think, okay, where should
[00:02:42] I go? What has been noticed is that
[00:02:46] demand is growing for countries such as
[00:02:49] Turkey, Cyprus, Greece,
[00:02:52] and also our
[00:02:54] neighboring Croatia, but also some other
[00:02:58] countries such as Georgia, which was not
[00:03:01] so much on the map, but can be very
[00:03:05] interesting, and what is
[00:03:08] at least their information is that
[00:03:11] this has cost them 60 million euros so far, meaning we are talking about
[00:03:15] 120 million marks in six months that they have
[00:03:18] lost on travel and the number
[00:03:22] of passengers is
[00:03:25] polluted soil that absorb these slightly smaller, about 3% less,
[00:03:27] uh, but that is
[00:03:31] a lot. Their profit before taxes is somewhere
[00:03:34] around 43% lower, which
[00:03:37] is huge, huge.
[00:03:40] And what will also be a big
[00:03:43] problem is that operational costs
[00:03:47] will rise, and the costs, or rather the profit they already
[00:03:50] expected, which they had already, so to speak, planned, will not
[00:03:54] be there. We saw this also in the example of the Middle East. Mr. Selimović is completely
[00:03:58] right, because people from this Gulf region
[00:04:02] the professor said, mostly on travel less, and there is also less travel
[00:04:05] from here to there, so that part of the world, which I will repeat again, and
[00:04:09] I have already said this, is not ordinary tourism, but high-end, luxury
[00:04:13] tourism, where, I don't know, for
[00:04:16] Egypt you spend 5,000 marks for two people
[00:04:20] in seven days, there you spend 5,000 marks for
[00:04:23] one night, the costs will, or rather
[00:04:26] How much waste do we import annually and in the damage will be huge, and all this because of something that
[00:04:29] has not yet... achieved the result that those who started this war were looking for
[00:04:32] and this only shows that it is not just one sector that is threatened,
[00:04:36] but all sectors are threatened. The effects will
[00:04:39] be very, very bad and only visible and will probably
[00:04:43] extend into next year. Esmir, thank you, please
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[00:06:50] We continue with a new day and current topics. 37,000 tons of
[00:06:54] hazardous waste found in Gospić, a question that could
[00:06:57] open a Pandora's box regarding the same issue in Bosnia and
[00:07:01] Herzegovina. The subject of the investigation by Croatian authorities is a company that was
[00:07:05] mentioned 12 years ago in connection with the delivery of waste to Derventa.
[00:07:08] The outcomes are not known, but now questions like what kind of waste
[00:07:12] is being imported. What are the controls and how much is the health of citizens threatened, are
[00:07:16] increasingly echoing in the public.
[00:07:19] Illegal delivery and disposal of waste in Gospić began in
[00:07:22] 2021. According to the suspicions of the local investigative bodies,
[00:07:25] the criminal group was organized by Varaždin entrepreneur Josip
[00:07:28] Šincek. Although the waste was presented as plastic material intended
[00:07:32] for recycling, the results of the investigations and findings
[00:07:36] the investigated area, approximately 37 tons of mixed
[00:07:39] technogenic waste were estimated, including residues of electrical and
[00:07:43] electronic equipment, plastics, construction, mineral materials, and
[00:07:46] parts of medical waste. Although it has not been determined that the entire quantity
[00:07:50] is contaminated, representative samples show harmful
[00:07:53] properties. I must mention that it is known that the fund and the ministry were not
[00:07:57] legally responsible for such remediation. We promptly
[00:08:01] approached the amended waste management plan in the seventh month of last
[00:08:04] year, where the fund was given the task of securing funds. There were
[00:08:07] investigative processes when we got the opportunity to start
[00:08:11] remediation in November. Last year, the decision on remediation was made.
[00:08:14] The environmental affair, however, crosses the borders of Croatia and reaches Bosnia and Herzegovina
[00:08:18] in 2014. The company Tipos Resors, led by
[00:08:22] the Xincag spouses, delivered about a hundred tons of waste to a company in Derventa
[00:08:26] that was classified as mixed non-hazardous. However, the environmental
[00:08:29] inspection of the Republic of Srpska found medical waste in it, which is
[00:08:33] prohibited by regulations. Because of this, a certain amount was returned to the Croatian
[00:08:36] company, and the authorities there then explicitly claimed that there was no
[00:08:39] danger to people or the environment, stating that about
[00:08:43] 40 tons had been returned to Croatia. Where that quantity ended up and what happened to the remaining
[00:08:47] 60 tons is unknown. The Derventa case became even
[00:08:51] more serious due to the fact that the disputed shipment was not the only one.
[00:08:54] The results of the investigation are also unknown. Waste management
[00:08:57] is again in the public spotlight. The only waste that is legally imported
[00:09:01] to us is actually processed
[00:09:04] waste converted into fuel, that is what is
[00:09:07] imported for the needs of two cement plants in this in
[00:09:11] Bosnia and Herzegovina. That is RDF, as far as I know,
[00:09:14] about 60,000 tons have been imported. In Bosnia and
[00:09:17] Herzegovina, illegal waste is certainly imported as well, but these flows are
[00:09:21] almost impossible to track, says Lemeš. Such cases
[00:09:24] certainly exist in Bosnia and Herzegovina given the porous
[00:09:28] borders and given the lack of capacity of our
[00:09:32] institutions to carry out control, especially
[00:09:35] laboratory control.
[00:09:39] what way are controls carried out? We also asked the Indirect Taxation Authority of Bosnia
[00:09:42] and Herzegovina, but with extensive documentation on cross-border
[00:09:46] waste traffic and competencies in accordance with this issue, we did not
[00:09:50] receive concrete answers. In the meantime, the number of ecological
[00:09:54] hotspots in Bosnia and Herzegovina is growing, and the first map was published by UNDP. Through
[00:09:57] a review of more than a hundred potentially contaminated locations in Bosnia and
[00:10:01] Herzegovina, 48 priority locations were selected
[00:10:04] for sampling. Based on more than 700 analyses of soil,
[00:10:08] water, and sediment samples, the results showed significant
[00:10:11] ecological risks at 34 locations, so
[00:10:14] primarily we have a problem that has been going on for several decades
[00:10:17] with the tar apple in Modriča. This is a type
[00:10:21] of hazardous waste that has been stored there.
[00:10:25] which has already created, so to speak,
[00:10:28] problems whose magnitude is not at all known today for the local
[00:10:32] population. We remind you that houses were built there,
[00:10:35] settlements were developed and expanded. This
[00:10:39] hazardous waste has remained there
[00:10:42] to stand. A similar situation is with Piralen in the Incel business zone
[00:10:46] in Banja Luka. Today we have the opportunity to see that a residential
[00:10:50] area has been built there, which is another problem, but
[00:10:54] it is evident that after several decades, that
[00:10:58] problem, that area has not been remediated and that problem has not been solved. And as long as
[00:11:02] the state does not have a clear plan on how to deal with this challenge, the potential
[00:11:05] dangers to the health of citizens are growing every
[00:11:09] day. At the same time, waste trafficking is becoming an attractive activity
[00:11:13] for criminal structures, which, as they are aware, could not operate
[00:11:16] without a political connection. Tatjana Drljić,
[00:11:19] N1.
[00:11:23] The affair involving tens of thousands of tons of illegally disposed waste, which has shaken
[00:11:26] Croatia in recent days, seems to be connected with Bosnia and Herzegovina. During
[00:11:30] 2014, the company, as we heard, Pramat Plast, imported
[00:11:34] 23 shipments with a total of about 358 tons
[00:11:37] of waste with disputed
[00:11:40] documentation into Bosnia and Herzegovina. The company had documentation for cross-border import
[00:11:43] of non-hazardous waste. It imported medical waste, about 40
[00:11:47] tons returned to Croatia and placed under customs supervision. What about
[00:11:51] the rest? In the new day, we continue with Samir Lemeš, before
[00:11:56] Zenica. Good morning and welcome to the new day. Good morning, thank you for the
[00:11:59] invitation. Thank you, Igor Kalaba from the Center for Environmental Protection
[00:12:03] who is waiting for us in Banja Luka. Mr. Kalaba, good
[00:12:06] morning to you. Good morning, greetings to your
[00:12:09] viewers and a big hello to Professor Lemeš.
[00:12:13] Let's start with the latest story, or rather the scandal,
[00:12:16] as Mr. Lemeš has already called it. How much do you
[00:12:20] believe it is likely that the waste we are talking about
[00:12:24] in Lika is waste that was once
[00:12:27] in Bosnia and Herzegovina? Well, those are, those are purely
[00:12:31] speculations. It doesn't matter at all whether it's that waste,
[00:12:34] whether those are those specific quantities. The thing is
[00:12:37] that here we don't have investigations to determine,
[00:12:41] except for this project that UNDP did, where they tried
[00:12:44] to map these hotspots,
[00:12:48] there is no, no action to discover these
[00:12:52] hotspots, to discover perpetrators, especially not
[00:12:55] their prosecution. Here the question is perhaps for
[00:12:58] the Prosecutor's Office of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, because
[00:13:02] according to the waste management law, whoever illegally
[00:13:06] imports hazardous waste,
[00:13:09] is exposed to the risk of a prison sentence of one to five years
[00:13:13] in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Since environmental laws exist,
[00:13:17] since the crime of environmental pollution was included
[00:13:20] in the criminal code, we have only one,
[00:13:24] one case where the prosecutor's office
[00:13:26] prosecuted such a crime.
[00:13:30] It is about Gikil Lukavac where the main perpetrator left
[00:13:34] the country, all other criminal acts are actually just
[00:13:37] those forest thefts, and Mr. Kalava, how many
[00:13:41] such places, landfills, areas that
[00:13:44] the professor talks about, which surely could or should have been
[00:13:48] under scrutiny by the prosecutor's office
[00:13:50] long ago?
[00:13:53] Well, I think, here's a relatively simple example: how many
[00:13:57] times have you seen, while traveling, wooden sleepers piled up
[00:14:00] along the tracks, old, this
[00:14:03] replaced ones? They are, for example,
[00:14:05] treated with very, very toxic chemicals, which are
[00:14:09] already banned in the European Union, maybe even here now, so it's very difficult
[00:14:13] to trace. What was done through this
[00:14:16] UNDP project, which Professor Lemeš mentioned, is
[00:14:20] that some of the largest ones were located, with
[00:14:23] one piece of information that is... semi- information, I got it unofficially,
[00:14:27] even for a larger location there was an option
[00:14:30] to secure funds for remediation,
[00:14:33] but from the institutions that should have reacted,
[00:14:37] there was not enough interest, so we are talking not
[00:14:40] only about crime, we are sometimes talking about
[00:14:44] incompetence or disinterest of institutions,
[00:14:48] uh, we have a terrible lot of generally illegal landfills, that's
[00:14:51] true, we have most of the official landfills.
[00:14:55] landfills that are legal, they are not sanitary as such and that's where
[00:14:58] anything ends up, from animal waste, which is the least
[00:15:02] problem in this context, this, but
[00:15:05] certainly a problem, this, even medical
[00:15:08] and other types of waste, this, there are also, as the professor
[00:15:12] said in the video before, very porous borders which are very questionable,
[00:15:16] I mean, they are smuggled, this, we see that people from various
[00:15:19] clans enter and leave the country as they please, so
[00:15:23] this waste should not be a big problem and also the mentioned
[00:15:26] incinerators that are opening, that is incineration
[00:15:30] currently for now we just hope that it will remain that way, for now only in
[00:15:34] cement plants we have this RDF refuse derived fuel, that is.
[00:15:37] pellets from processed waste, uh,
[00:15:41] they are very, they are very potentially problematic
[00:15:43] because not every RDF is the same and it is very questionable
[00:15:47] what the ingredient is there, and how declarations,
[00:15:51] labels are made, how this works between importers,
[00:15:55] exporters, freight forwarders at the borders and so on,
[00:15:58] again the porosity of borders is a very big problem. That's exactly why
[00:16:02] I asked the professor this question,
[00:16:05] so what if the waste on the street was waste from Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:16:09] actually focusing on cross-border
[00:16:13] cooperation, or rather the porosity of borders, so let's try to
[00:16:16] clarify that cyclical path and how it
[00:16:20] actually looks, how
[00:16:22] the procedure looks when waste from Croatia enters Bosnia and Herzegovina, and
[00:16:26] who must give permission, who, among other things, controls what is in
[00:16:30] the truck, how does that go? Uh,
[00:16:33] I don't know what the situation is in the Republic of Srpska and Brčko District, I assume it's
[00:16:36] similar. I know that according to federal regulations,
[00:16:40] hazardous waste cannot pass, meaning
[00:16:43] it legally shouldn't be able to pass, so it is then
[00:16:46] probably hidden in, packaged
[00:16:49] into some other some other waste
[00:16:53] packaging. Is every shipment physically inspected or does everything
[00:16:57] come down to documentation? Well, it's impossible to physically inspect everything, so it's mostly
[00:17:00] about documentation, possibly sampling if something is suspected
[00:17:04] to be wrong, mhm. So it's very
[00:17:08] difficult. Otherwise, that documentation is
[00:17:10] so strictly controlled. We recently had
[00:17:14] an example where through a project we provided humanitarian
[00:17:18] aid, i.e., a donation from Slovakia
[00:17:21] of devices for purifying drinking water, mhm. That
[00:17:24] shipment had to be returned to the European Union, meaning
[00:17:27] we paid double transport costs just because
[00:17:30] one sentence on the export declaration was not correct. Meaning
[00:17:34] instead of returning the declaration, the entire
[00:17:38] shipment was returned. So those customs regulations are extremely
[00:17:41] strict, mhm. In some cases, we can say
[00:17:44] that things go wrong, as in this case where there should be something of general
[00:17:48] interest, but where you have, that's probably when
[00:17:52] corruption is involved, that someone is bribed to turn a blind eye so that
[00:17:56] such shipments pass even through these legal border
[00:17:59] crossings. Is the situation the same, Mr. Kalava,
[00:18:02] in the Republic of Srpska? How much knowledge do you have about the Brčko
[00:18:06] District and has the responsibility
[00:18:09] of those who failed to
[00:18:12] determine the content of a
[00:18:15] truck ever been established?
[00:18:20] Uh, basically, I think the laws are, if you take them literally, then
[00:18:24] 99% harmonized. Uh, I mean, I
[00:18:27] can speak from my personal example, since I spent three, about three or four
[00:18:31] months when I was finishing
[00:18:34] university, I spent working in a shipping company, that's
[00:18:38] in Gradiška. The crossing in Gradiška is one of the most significant in the country
[00:18:41] and busiest.
[00:18:42] This,
[00:18:45] I mean, it was all like that, and
[00:18:49] instead of studying
[00:18:52] psychology. But on the other hand, it was a very sobering moment for me
[00:18:55] to see how things work in this country, how
[00:18:58] borders work. Uh, so basically,
[00:19:01] I mean, we live where we live and
[00:19:05] everything is very flexible. If the right people
[00:19:08] and enough capital, unfortunately, it is still like that, you have cases, for example,
[00:19:12] I mean, CIN and other
[00:19:16] investigative portals constantly write about
[00:19:18] some people who have been suspended and then reinstated.
[00:19:22] You have people, you have sanitary inspectors,
[00:19:25] for example, who open a truck, among other things, not only because
[00:19:29] of corruption, but simply because of the nature of the job, in terms of the amount
[00:19:31] of material, the truck is opened, the first
[00:19:35] bale is checked, and things are not pulled out. and so on, it's done, as
[00:19:40] paper. This, I mean, one of the most
[00:19:42] amusing situations was when an older
[00:19:45] freight forwarder told me: "You see that guy in the black jumpsuit from the anti-smuggling
[00:19:49] team?" I said, "Yes." "Well, he used to be
[00:19:52] a customs officer here and was suspended for smuggling. Now they've put him back in that
[00:19:55] team." Everything is clear.
[00:19:58] And
[00:20:02] did you do anything about that? Can, can
[00:20:06] one actually, when, well, you're in the system,
[00:20:09] someone who is on an internship or is trying
[00:20:13] to learn how these flows
[00:20:16] work, can anything be
[00:20:18] done?
[00:20:22] Well, generally, my rule is not to end statements or addresses
[00:20:25] pessimistically. So, yes, it can definitely
[00:20:29] be done, a lot can be done, but people have to be very
[00:20:31] united. Again, something that can be done
[00:20:35] is the fight against future incinerators. Yes, that is,
[00:20:38] importing
[00:20:40] actually opens the door for manipulations, for importing
[00:20:44] all sorts of things, and of course, to defend as much as
[00:20:47] possible the ban on the import of hazardous waste. That
[00:20:50] for now, from a technical perspective, there is still a lot to be done,
[00:20:54] definitely, and it is necessary to do something with this hazardous
[00:20:58] waste.
[00:21:00] Uh, so it is not excluded that sometime some processing facilities will have to be
[00:21:04] built, but that would have to be done because, for example, one of the things I
[00:21:08] talk about, uh, whatever is done related to waste must
[00:21:12] be very close to larger administrative centers.
[00:21:15] I say this half-jokingly, it must be in the center of Banja Luka,
[00:21:19] this, because, well, we have seen all these cases, they were mostly,
[00:21:22] most of them were, this Drvar, Bosnian
[00:21:25] Grahovo, this, okay, Derventa is more populated and relatively
[00:21:29] close, so that's why they reacted relatively quickly. So,
[00:21:32] obviously, there is a tendency to exploit those places that
[00:21:36] are experiencing depopulation, which somehow overlap with perhaps some of the
[00:21:39] most valuable natural resources, this,
[00:21:42] so it is possible, but many, many people need to work harder on it, many
[00:21:46] people, I mean, political awareness as such, this, we
[00:21:50] had cases where the local community fought against either a mine or
[00:21:54] something else, and then they still voted for the same people who did it, so that political
[00:21:57] maturity must be at a much higher level,
[00:22:00] this, and the fight must not stop, no matter
[00:22:03] what, even if it seems futile. What about
[00:22:07] subsequent checks? Here, in this specific case, we are talking about
[00:22:10] 23 shipments, 358
[00:22:13] tons, so waste. Uh, if
[00:22:16] one shipment, Professor Lemeš, was returned,
[00:22:20] does there exist any system for subsequent checking of what happened to
[00:22:23] the other shipments, whether they are even tracked? Well, if you say that they
[00:22:27] enter the country based on valid documentation, uh,
[00:22:30] is it tracked where they end up? Logically, someone should
[00:22:33] conduct an additional control.
[00:22:37] However, usually, in our country, those who engage in such
[00:22:41] crime are very connected with political structures,
[00:22:44] so it's simply a phone call away,
[00:22:48] "Let it go, don't, put it in the drawer."
[00:22:52] I mean, unfortunately, we live in a country where corruption has
[00:22:55] turned from an incident into a way of life, and it seems that
[00:22:59] the wider public accepts corruption as, "Oh, we know
[00:23:03] there's corruption, let's see how I can fit in."
[00:23:06] I think we need to completely change our way
[00:23:09] of thinking. We once had an illusion, "Look, we
[00:23:13] will be candidates for joining the EU, and when we join
[00:23:17] the EU, everything will be perfect, everything will
[00:23:20] about corruption." There is corruption in the European Union. 15
[00:23:23] years ago, at a conference, I heard information that
[00:23:27] the Italian mafia, well, Italy is in the European Union,
[00:23:31] the Italian mafia has reoriented itself from
[00:23:35] human trafficking, arms trafficking, and drug trafficking to waste trafficking,
[00:23:38] because it is more profitable for them, simply the profit is greater.
[00:23:42] Northern Italy generates huge quantities of waste, it is very
[00:23:46] expensive according to EU regulations, very expensive to dispose of that
[00:23:50] waste. Companies are paid to dispose of it,
[00:23:53] then it is taken and dumped in the south of Italy, the soil is polluted,
[00:23:57] the land is polluted, cheaply
[00:24:00] bought agricultural estates are destroyed. Now you have
[00:24:03] huge plantations with
[00:24:07] greenhouses in southern Italy. We probably eat those
[00:24:10] tomatoes, tomato plantations that are on
[00:24:15] heavy metals and all those toxins from the soil. Migrants
[00:24:19] who flee from Africa work on those
[00:24:21] plantations, so it's everything is tied to crime and
[00:24:25] that crime is European, so we
[00:24:28] somehow have an illusion that when we enter Europe, there will be no crime
[00:24:32] or corruption, there will, we must change ourselves, but yes, but it's interesting what
[00:24:36] you're saying, well, even when we talk about imports, I somehow always mention
[00:24:39] imports because the last affair speaks most about it,
[00:24:43] but, uh, if someone, professor, declares cheaper
[00:24:46] non-dangerous plastic waste and actually imports med...
[00:24:50] medical or dangerous, where is the potential profit, where is that
[00:24:53] logic, or is it actually
[00:24:55] uh that large profits are made in these
[00:24:59] cases precisely because the disposal of hazardous waste is
[00:25:03] much more expensive than the disposal of non-hazardous waste, is that the
[00:25:07] logic, so yes, that's pure logic, pure greed
[00:25:10] where people see an opportunity, look, I
[00:25:13] this is expensive to pay, I will
[00:25:16] take it and I will not dispose of it at all, no one will
[00:25:20] control it, if someone controls me, I will somehow
[00:25:23] cover it from the profit I make, so
[00:25:26] that somehow this sounds
[00:25:30] like an open invitation to people to engage in crime because there is
[00:25:33] really a big profit, but it is not
[00:25:36] actually an invitation to institutions to act, to prevent that crime, to
[00:25:40] cut it off, to strictly punish it, I will repeat
[00:25:43] that there have been no convictions for the criminal offense
[00:25:46] of environmental pollution, I call on the prosecutor's offices
[00:25:50] to roll up their sleeves a bit, to look a bit, at least to
[00:25:53] look at what investigative journalism is doing, to listen to what
[00:25:57] is being said in the media, that's enough work for them, they can put that in their
[00:26:01] plans for next year. For the prosecutor's offices to start
[00:26:05] prosecuting that crime, for the courts
[00:26:08] to finally make decisions, for someone
[00:26:11] to end up in jail for polluting the environment, for
[00:26:14] destroying nature and endangering the health of citizens, how difficult it is to follow
[00:26:18] now, we are talking about those 40 tons that may have ended up in Lika, maybe
[00:26:22] not, we have a lot of such examples, not only
[00:26:26] of imported waste, but of those that are already in Bosnia
[00:26:30] and Herzegovina, that was 10 years ago. today
[00:26:33] is the 26th. um, how
[00:26:37] can this be monitored, are these missed opportunities, cases where
[00:26:40] we have already, therefore, lost that chance.
[00:26:44] I will mention here the international
[00:26:46] convention that Bosnia and Herzegovina signed, ratified,
[00:26:50] incorporated into its laws, that is the Arhus
[00:26:52] Convention. Um, with that convention, all citizens of Bosnia and
[00:26:56] Herzegovina gained, among other things, the right to access
[00:26:59] environmental information and the right to participate. The public in
[00:27:03] making decisions concerning the environment,
[00:27:06] the public, in order to participate in decision-making, such as the decision
[00:27:10] whether there will be an incinerator or not, where the landfill
[00:27:13] will be located, how waste will be managed, such
[00:27:17] decisions the public can influence
[00:27:21] exclusively if it is informed, meaning the first
[00:27:24] prerequisite is that we have information, so give us
[00:27:27] those reports, we have civil society organizations that are very
[00:27:31] active. "If you give us information, if you
[00:27:34] provide us with information, these databases that must be publicly
[00:27:38] available, we will then through these databases
[00:27:41] look for where the problems are, point them
[00:27:45] out, alarm institutions, we have a lot of institutions,
[00:27:48] inspections, and agencies,
[00:27:51] prosecutor's offices, courts, meaning all of them should do their
[00:27:54] job, and someone needs to
[00:27:57] encourage them, civil society will encourage them, but give us information, and
[00:28:01] they are hidden like." And they are very often hidden.
[00:28:05] Igor, based on the currently available information,
[00:28:08] documentation that you have access to, both as a center for
[00:28:12] environmental protection and in cooperation with your
[00:28:15] colleagues, you have mentioned incinerators several times, what
[00:28:19] are the biggest hotspots, the biggest points,
[00:28:22] well, Professor Lemeš talked about the south of Italy, I believe we
[00:28:26] have enough of our own examples that should make us very
[00:28:29] concerned. Yes.
[00:28:32] Yes, we have, well, we have this situation here in Incel, which is relatively
[00:28:36] close to the city center and which simply hasn't been
[00:28:39] adequately dealt with for a long time, part
[00:28:43] of the land, part of the land is contaminated has been removed, but
[00:28:46] that's only one part, uh, a big problem with that
[00:28:50] situation was that there was concealment of information, that there were
[00:28:53] pressures on inspection services and so on and that we have video recordings
[00:28:57] of some land being removed which uh, we simply don't
[00:29:01] know how much... mined from that area in Mostar
[00:29:04] we also have a situation related to sludge from
[00:29:08] a plant, I can't remember the situation,
[00:29:11] this Zenica and Tuzla also have their hotspots, so
[00:29:14] I mean, I don't have the exact information
[00:29:18] of which compounds are involved, but again I will refer
[00:29:21] to this UNDP study
[00:29:25] where they are listed and they are listed, which is sad, we
[00:29:29] lost a lot of time, they were listed... a lot
[00:29:32] before some incidents occurred including the fire in
[00:29:36] Incel, so these are things that could have been prevented
[00:29:39] in time, it was known, but it was also known that
[00:29:43] these actions were being done, like the theft of these oils which involves
[00:29:47] this
[00:29:49] metal cutting where sparks can cause
[00:29:53] a fire, so all of this could have been avoided, this
[00:29:56] is perhaps the greatest tragedy of our time, all of this was relatively easy
[00:30:00] to prevent, yes... medical waste in
[00:30:03] unregulated landfills, what are the consequences, Mr.
[00:30:07] Kalaba, on the environment,
[00:30:11] on people, on land, on groundwater,
[00:30:14] will we feel the consequences of this negligence regarding waste
[00:30:17] only in the years to
[00:30:20] come, well, yes, that's where this
[00:30:23] uh bioaccumulation aspect comes in, of course,
[00:30:27] it all depends on the type of medical waste, if it is
[00:30:31] something that is... biohazardous, in fact,
[00:30:34] if it's bacteria or viruses and so on, we have that
[00:30:38] problem, if it's about accumulation, I don't know, for example,
[00:30:41] expired uh, accumulation
[00:30:45] of drugs, among other things, if they are antibiotics, there is a
[00:30:48] possibility of creating some resistance and so on, if it's about, for example,
[00:30:52] radioactive materials, there is also that, we know what
[00:30:55] radioactivity does, whether it will now be carried by the wind, whether
[00:30:59] wild animals will come.