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[00:04:31] We return to the show New Day, friend of the show General
[00:04:35] Hospital Medikana Sarajevo.
[00:04:49] We continue with a new day, we talk about the film
[00:04:52] "Identity" a documentary film by author Slađana Lučić
[00:04:56] which tells the story of Ajna Jusić, Alen Muhić, Lejla
[00:05:00] Damon, uh, children born as a consequence
[00:05:03] of war sexual violence. "Identity" will
[00:05:06] be screened on August 17th within the Sarajevo Film
[00:05:09] Festival. And I'm talking about the film with the author. with
[00:05:13] one of the protagonists, good morning and welcome to a new day.
[00:05:17] Good morning, good morning.
[00:05:19] Slađana, when did you first hear the story of
[00:05:22] Ajna, Lejla, Alen? Why was
[00:05:26] all of that so powerful for you and what
[00:05:30] motivated you to make a film about it?
[00:05:33] I've been in journalism for a long time and I knew, I heard
[00:05:37] about the work and advocacy and everything they
[00:05:40] are trying. within society
[00:05:43] Alan Muhić and Leila Demon who is global, who
[00:05:47] lives in Great Britain. What was
[00:05:50] special to me is that we know in society
[00:05:53] that often these changes do not go through the system, they do not
[00:05:56] happen the way we would like and that
[00:06:00] then individuals take them upon themselves, in this case,
[00:06:03] these three who for me were making those small revolutions that
[00:06:06] change society, change how we
[00:06:09] look at children born of
[00:06:12] war sexual violence, and it was important to me to tell that story because
[00:06:16] I think there is never enough fight,
[00:06:20] not enough ways to show how
[00:06:23] problematic our attitude as society is when
[00:06:26] I say "our" towards uh those whom we consider
[00:06:29] different in some way at that moment, that discrimination, stigma that
[00:06:33] has changed over these years, which has led to the legal
[00:06:37] recognition of children born due to war sexual violence as civilian victims
[00:06:41] of war, that is truly... "a small revolution that came from within, not
[00:06:44] from the system, but through the work of these three and associations, we followed
[00:06:48] that work, but I'm also interested in this identity, mhm,
[00:06:51] why that particular word and what did you actually realize during
[00:06:54] your work on the film, how important identity is to us, even
[00:06:58] when a part of our life story is something we didn't choose
[00:07:02] ourselves, but identity, that's right,
[00:07:04] I think, there are different identities, I think I
[00:07:08] wanted to show that identity that connects us,
[00:07:11] but in which we are different." "One of Ana's identities
[00:07:15] is that she was born due to war sexual violence, but there are so many
[00:07:19] identities in her and what she does and her character,
[00:07:22] that's what she is, like all of us, and I think that sometimes
[00:07:26] when we don't know someone, we give
[00:07:29] them a name or we look at them through a
[00:07:33] prism that we associate with something, necessarily not necessarily
[00:07:37] good, and I think this film can help in that understanding."
[00:07:40] of work, public advocacy for the common
[00:07:44] good, giving oneself for the common good,
[00:07:47] although it is not easy at all, I mean, Ajna knows that best, Alen
[00:07:50] and Lejla. Ajna, when you say "my identity", what does that word
[00:07:54] mean to you? I believe that the
[00:07:57] perception of identity in your own example
[00:08:00] and uh, the perception of the broader picture of people around
[00:08:03] you has definitely changed with this fight that
[00:08:07] is ongoing for recognition.
[00:08:10] Well, "absolutely yes, in
[00:08:13] essence, I am glad that it came out of an identity that was not
[00:08:17] adequately and socially accepted, in essence, not just
[00:08:21] mine, but the identity of my mother and then
[00:08:24] the identity, right, of our family, simply this story does not
[00:08:27] only concern me and my mother, but all of our
[00:08:31] environment, especially the family, but
[00:08:34] uh generally, identity
[00:08:37] and what we tried to show in this film is that children
[00:08:41] born because of war" are far more than what
[00:08:45] defined them by the very way, right, of
[00:08:48] birth. Maybe that is essentially the most, maybe it was even
[00:08:52] the most important for me, Alen, and Lejla, because all that
[00:08:56] discrimination from our, right, early childhood until today did
[00:08:59] not really allow us to express everything else we
[00:09:03] are, and at the end of the day,
[00:09:05] we chose that identity
[00:09:09] to tell society because we see that there is a pattern of
[00:09:12] behavior in society that pushes away some people because one of their
[00:09:16] identities is not adequate for us,
[00:09:19] so I hope that through this film, maybe I will breathe a little
[00:09:23] in some moment, that people will see me as much, much
[00:09:26] more than just a multi-layered and complex
[00:09:29] person. Yes, I know that it is partly my responsibility through this activism that people
[00:09:33] often recognize me on the street by that association, but
[00:09:37] that's not a problem for me because I know what I wanted to say
[00:09:41] by highlighting this. and that contributed to children
[00:09:45] like you being visible, absolutely, and not just being visible, but
[00:09:49] becoming, don't get me wrong, but just another unimportant identity
[00:09:52] in society that stands out simply because someone was
[00:09:56] born that way, so that's why we
[00:09:59] showed much
[00:10:03] different sides within that film and that's perhaps for me that
[00:10:07] identity of children is perhaps the least visible because we are all
[00:10:11] the rest. Yes. But is there a question
[00:10:14] that people often ask, well,
[00:10:18] I would like them to stop asking it. Besides
[00:10:21] that single-layered view of people, where we are,
[00:10:24] I would say, not only children who
[00:10:27] were born as a result of rape,
[00:10:30] but actually, uh,
[00:10:34] all of us, where we are viewed and put into
[00:10:37] packages, because it's easier that way, and it's a little
[00:10:41] harder to scratch beneath the surface and realize all other identities.
[00:10:44] Well, it's natural for people, when they first meet, to look at
[00:10:47] the fact that we are human and social beings. It's natural for people to ask about an
[00:10:51] identity, so we know if it's our comfort zone,
[00:10:55] if it's something where we want to fit in, but
[00:10:58] uh, somewhere from my perspective, I would like this
[00:11:01] film to bring some relief to my life, that is
[00:11:05] that sexual violence should not necessarily be the first topic that comes
[00:11:09] up over coffee with me. I mean,
[00:11:12] I can talk about other things, but
[00:11:15] maybe all this sounds stupid, I mean it doesn't sound stupid, it sounds smart at the end of the day, and
[00:11:19] that's what this film and all our activism perhaps wants to convey,
[00:11:23] exactly the same pain. "This was
[00:11:27] in journalism, very often people are prone to ask you about everything that is
[00:11:30] happening in the country, immediately politics, you're fed up with
[00:11:34] it, or doctors immediately tell you what hurts and ask for
[00:11:38] free therapy at that moment, I guess we are all
[00:11:41] prone to that. What is also interesting and important to mention for this film, Slađana, is that
[00:11:45] you and the film, as we said at the very beginning, told through three different
[00:11:49] stories, three different people, individuals, but
[00:11:52] you somehow put together a single
[00:11:55] universal story about children of war, which is perhaps an even
[00:11:58] stronger message.
[00:12:01] The problem of children born due to war, Ajna often repeats,
[00:12:05] did not arise in war, but in peace, that is what
[00:12:08] I think is very important to say, and what was terrifying
[00:12:12] to me is that three decades later, almost when we
[00:12:16] started shooting the film, it was changing for the better,
[00:12:20] but it didn't change, again I say, because we recognized
[00:12:24] and because we... only initiated it ourselves, but because
[00:12:29] on it, and that is somewhat
[00:12:33] disheartening, but it's good to see that change is happening
[00:12:36] and that change has happened. It's not equally visible
[00:12:40] everywhere. That's what the two of us were talking about in rural
[00:12:44] areas, smaller areas, considering
[00:12:47] how we continue to live, where war crimes
[00:12:50] related to war sexual violence have not been prosecuted,
[00:12:53] but... "a lot has been done
[00:12:57] and what is important to me, I think that identity, they are
[00:13:00] all different, I wanted to show that, there is
[00:13:04] something in common, they connected through humor and through everything that tormented
[00:13:07] them, but it's largely a film about
[00:13:10] love, love that was given, uh, that was
[00:13:13] given to mother Sabina whom we filmed
[00:13:16] in people who are parents who
[00:13:20] adopted Alen and Lejla, those
[00:13:23] are all stories about..." love that somehow gets left behind
[00:13:27] and is very important in what we will be like, what kind of
[00:13:31] people we will become, how we will talk, what we will think about
[00:13:34] others and differences, I think we tried, well, that, we tried
[00:13:38] what Ajna says, that it's not that one identity, but that you
[00:13:41] see that breadth and what that
[00:13:44] means, that it's not simple, but
[00:13:47] why it's important and who they are now.
[00:13:50] Yes, no matter how many times you tell your story, I believe and
[00:13:54] somehow those... bits, uh, to say
[00:13:56] perhaps more detail, was there in this film? I believe that a mutual
[00:14:00] trust was established because they didn't just tell you their stories, but
[00:14:04] the most intimate parts of their lives, so
[00:14:07] you mention Alen and Lejla who didn't stay
[00:14:10] with their biological parents. Ajna
[00:14:14] did. All of that is something that
[00:14:16] took time. How much do you feel, well, not only in
[00:14:19] the role of the film's author, but in the role of
[00:14:23] a human being,
[00:14:26] honored that you have the trust that someone tells you what
[00:14:29] they told you? Well, I'm quite
[00:14:32] sure I'm grateful. It was interesting,
[00:14:36] four years of our getting together
[00:14:38] and getting to know each other. It's not easy for Ana, nor for me, nor for Alen, nor
[00:14:42] for Lejla, especially as I said, experiences were not always
[00:14:45] positive in conversations with journalists,
[00:14:48] with documentarians. Some were, uh, I would say
[00:14:52] people. "Some were less human in their approach
[00:14:56] to that conversation and I felt less human in that approach, so a lesson
[00:14:59] for all of us, and so for me, the first, my first
[00:15:03] problem in the course of any interview
[00:15:06] and film is that
[00:15:09] someone comes in front of me and expects me to lay bare my soul
[00:15:13] just like that, without even a minimum of prior knowledge.
[00:15:17] Uh, I will always repeat that knowledge protects you,
[00:15:20] but it protects my mind and yours, so I don't like, I don't like..."
[00:15:25] when someone thinks that their
[00:15:27] profession gives them the right to strip me bare without any
[00:15:31] preparation, that's perhaps the only and first thing I told
[00:15:35] Slađana at our first meeting. in
[00:15:38] Grbavica, time is needed and I
[00:15:42] have my standards, I don't go below those standards. When I say
[00:15:45] standards, standards, standards of my mental
[00:15:48] health, absolutely, and absolutely it's somehow
[00:15:52] important for me to protect myself, it's important for me to protect my family, my
[00:15:56] mother, my stepfather, that it takes time for that,
[00:15:59] that's why somehow four years have been invested
[00:16:02] and we must start paying attention to these
[00:16:05] things, we must not think that... that
[00:16:08] stripping bare is so simple, it has its
[00:16:11] price, Alen, Lejla and I are paying it in a way, but
[00:16:15] we know how you don't have the right to go there just
[00:16:18] like that, that was important to me and, um, regardless
[00:16:22] of four years, Slađana and I are already
[00:16:26] friends, but she never went where
[00:16:30] she didn't get permission, it took a long time for certain
[00:16:34] things for me to call her and say now or never. If you come
[00:16:37] now, if you don't, we won't do it. That's how the process
[00:16:41] went, yes, yes, that's why I'm asking you, because that trust
[00:16:45] is a big thing, especially with stories like
[00:16:48] these, which, as Ajna says, can indeed
[00:16:52] the physical and mental health of people, not just those who have a story
[00:16:56] like yours that you told, but all
[00:17:00] of our stories and traumas that we carry with
[00:17:03] us. Do you feel that something
[00:17:06] has changed in our society,
[00:17:10] especially since the award in Oslo
[00:17:14] that happened and all these years of struggle that continue?
[00:17:17] I think that somewhere out there in the world, things
[00:17:20] are more rewarded than in Bosnia and
[00:17:24] Herzegovina, which is perfectly fine because
[00:17:27] um in Oslo, people can't really
[00:17:30] have the same experience as this nation,
[00:17:33] and every
[00:17:37] time we talk about change, change is not just for me
[00:17:40] to be accepted, but change is valuable if no one
[00:17:44] is retraumatized by this struggle. Changes
[00:17:47] exist, positive ones, but as
[00:17:50] Slađana said earlier, in big cities, they are
[00:17:53] extremely present and noticeable. In
[00:17:57] Sarajevo, we are in very good positions,
[00:18:01] but somewhere in smaller communities, we always
[00:18:04] have, there is that hesitation in... the way
[00:18:08] we talk, not just for ourselves, but you can't
[00:18:11] go to a small community, tell this story and say how things
[00:18:14] are, and then at 5 o'clock get in the car and come to
[00:18:18] Sarajevo. What about those people at 5:30,
[00:18:21] especially in those mixed communities, where even today
[00:18:25] it still happens that everyone lives together, both those who committed crimes
[00:18:28] and those who survived them. We must always keep in mind that when
[00:18:32] we go to our beautiful, safe community, then
[00:18:36] what happens there? Even today, some
[00:18:39] things you have to do in communities outside
[00:18:43] social media, outside cameras, and try to stimulate
[00:18:46] certain topics with your own presence
[00:18:50] and conversation, but uncompromisingly,
[00:18:53] what we must do in those smaller
[00:18:56] communities are young people,
[00:18:59] try to gain space within schools, because
[00:19:03] again, I repeat, discrimination
[00:19:06] has a very similar protocol. I was then
[00:19:09] perhaps targeted because I don't have
[00:19:13] a biological father. Tomorrow, we will be in a situation where we
[00:19:16] see children who have been beaten because, I don't know, for something
[00:19:19] on social media, someone who is singled out because
[00:19:22] their shoes broke this morning when they went out, someone because they didn't have
[00:19:26] money for coffee. Simply, it is very important
[00:19:30] to make young people aware that we cannot
[00:19:33] harm a person simply because
[00:19:35] they don't have the same phone
[00:19:39] or
[00:19:40] similar.
[00:19:49] You watched New Day, friend of the show Medikana
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[00:20:42] We do start with breaking news tonight and some stunning new reporting on an
[00:20:45] elaborate ruse to conceal the secret plane that President Trump used
[00:20:49] to fly out of turkey last month, the Washington Post
[00:20:53] reports this tonight, saying quote, an Iranian
[00:20:55] assassination threat against President Trump prompted an
[00:20:59] extraordinary operation in which he flew secretly from
[00:21:02] Turkey on an alternate military aircraft, while the White
[00:21:06] House said he was aboard Air Force 1. If you
[00:21:10] look back at the video from that day now, you can see how this
[00:21:13] clandestine mission played out. President Trump was seen
[00:21:17] boarding Air Force One at 8:24 p.m. local
[00:21:20] time on July 8th, but actually, according to the
[00:21:23] post, and you can see here, Trump and several of his aids were secretly
[00:21:27] shuttled minutes later onto this airport catering
[00:21:30] truck, which was elevated and positioned a door out of the
[00:21:34] view of the cameras. now the post
[00:21:37] reports that the president was on that catering truck when it pulled away
[00:21:41] from Air Force 1 at 8:30 p.m. secretly
[00:21:44] bringing him to a smaller plane, an air force
[00:21:47] C32A, making the air force one that ever thought he was
[00:21:50] a decoy that still had the reporters who thought the president
[00:21:54] had boarded that plane and who you see boarding right here on the right and
[00:21:58] some white house staff aboard. the Washington
[00:22:01] Post reports and I quote, the maneuver meant that the president's
[00:22:05] actual location was concealed from the American public and many
[00:22:09] senior US officials for hours. Air Force
[00:22:12] One then landed in the UK hours later. Now it's still
[00:22:16] not clear as the post notes tonight, how the president was...
[00:22:20] transported from that other secret plane back onto air
[00:22:23] force 1 after it landed. you see here the reporters captured the
[00:22:27] president getting off the plane that they thought he had just flown on with
[00:22:31] them to the UK and he's seen coming down the stairs just before
[00:22:35] 11 p.m. after greeting American service members on the
[00:22:38] tarmac Trump got on the new Air Force One jet that's the one
[00:22:42] that was given to the president by the Qatari government and then he
[00:22:46] flew back to Washington. now the plane that he's
[00:22:49] getting on here... is not to be confused with the old Air Force 1 Decoy
[00:22:53] or the military plane that he flew on secretly, but it
[00:22:56] was when the president got back on this plane to fly home to the
[00:22:59] U.S. that he was asked by reporters why they had been
[00:23:03] told to lower their window shades on that first
[00:23:06] flight, which is extremely unusual and not typically something
[00:23:09] that happens for the press that sits on the right side of the plane, which is where
[00:23:13] that airport catering truck was now that you look back at that other video,
[00:23:17] but given what we know now, given the pictures that... you can see now, it
[00:23:21] makes what the president told reporters in that gaggle afterward all
[00:23:25] the more noteworthy.
[00:23:28] you're saying there wasn't a security concern, no they had us close our our
[00:23:32] window blinds, that
[00:23:32] was
[00:23:36] yeah, because uh, you're you
[00:23:39] know probably a dangerous sleep because of the sleep
[00:23:43] bags that we have to do anything that Iran was possibly
[00:23:46] thinking, I mean if they ask you to close your windows probably they feel that way. did
[00:23:50] ask me to close mine, but if they did i would have done it. were you aware of any credible
[00:23:53] threat by Iran against her? well, I have a threat all the time. I'm number one
[00:23:57] on their list before you, but if I go, you
[00:24:01] go. right, but was there today. perhaps perhaps someday
[00:24:04] you want to change professions.
[00:24:08] if I go, you go, though the president
[00:24:11] wasn't actually on the same plane as the reporters who were asking him that
[00:24:15] question, and when they asked him about why they had to lower their own shades and
[00:24:19] the president said well he wasn't told to lower his, well he was
[00:24:23] a secret plane, he was not on the same plane that those
[00:24:26] reporters and some white house staffers were flying
[00:24:31] the reporters who broke this story, washington post national security
[00:24:34] reporter Dan Lemot and
[00:24:38] remarkable scoop and very thorough reporting here,
[00:24:41] can you just kind of walk us through what you've learned
[00:24:44] here?
[00:24:47] Yeah, I mean, I think the the most significant piece here is... is that for
[00:24:50] weeks now, uh, the American public talking about the
[00:24:54] two Air Force One jets, uh, the newer one from
[00:24:57] Cutter and the older one from the last couple decades
[00:25:01] of operations. And in reality, the president was on neither plane.
[00:25:05] Uh, this came to the Post in part because, uh,
[00:25:08] individuals thought that there was a hole in public understanding here that
[00:25:12] needed to be clarified.
[00:25:14] I mean, it also just in terms of how they came up with
[00:25:18] this mean
[00:25:20] "you know, a big question is going to be how unprecedented this is, the
[00:25:24] idea that they would take the president, not only put him on an alternate
[00:25:27] aircraft, but use a catering truck at the
[00:25:30] airport uh, to do
[00:25:33] so.
[00:25:36] Yeah, you mean, you can see some creativity and ingenuity and how they were able to pull this
[00:25:39] off, and and you, I, I don't think there's any dispute here, I
[00:25:43] mean Iran is serious threat to the United States, Iran is a
[00:25:46] threat to senior US officials that predates the..."
[00:25:50] administration uh, there is cause for concern.
[00:25:53] It's unclear at the moment what exactly triggered them to
[00:25:57] take these uh extreme measures, um, but but
[00:26:00] either way, we we've gone about a... month now since it occurred and
[00:26:04] until today uh there was no public understanding of
[00:26:07] it. well, and you report that the defense secretary Pete
[00:26:11] Hegseth also boarded that C32A plane
[00:26:14] separately using external stairs, which means
[00:26:18] people could see him boarding it. uh, and you write that this is part of attempt to
[00:26:21] make the the flight appear typical. that's a plane that typically other VIPs,
[00:26:25] cabinet members, um, would fly on. do we know
[00:26:29] who else, if anyone was on that secret plane with? the
[00:26:32] president:
[00:26:35] i can't speak at the moment to the with any specificity to to who
[00:26:39] else was aboard that plane, but but yes, secretary
[00:26:42] Hegseth, I'm told uh went up the external
[00:26:45] stairs uh deliberately so uh as a
[00:26:49] part of a larger plan to make it look like he was the senior official on
[00:26:52] that plane uh the C32s that they used that day uh are
[00:26:56] commonly used the vice president uses them the president uses on
[00:27:00] occasion domestically uh i have flown on uh C-32s
[00:27:04] in the past with general officers, it's not uncommon uh to
[00:27:08] see VIPs on that plane uh, but but
[00:27:11] obviously when you have even the usage of an air force one call
[00:27:15] signed a plane that the president is not aboard in
[00:27:18] that moment, that's remarkable. well,
[00:27:22] and that's actually a really good point, because typically the understanding
[00:27:26] is that any plane, any aircraft the president is on is air force one
[00:27:30] or any helicopter that he's on, that's technically. marine one, but
[00:27:33] but you said that the one that he was actually flying on had a non-descript
[00:27:37] call sign, while the other plane that everyone thinks he's
[00:27:40] on is still considered in the still the call sign of air force
[00:27:44] 1.
[00:27:47] yes, that's right, and then as we kind of backtrack some of the publicly
[00:27:50] available flight tracker data on this, you have
[00:27:53] the newer jet from cutter that that landed with a
[00:27:57] relatively non-descript uh call sign, a couple hours in advance in
[00:28:01] Britain ' "the C-32
[00:28:04] simply did not show up in flight tracker data at all uh, at least in
[00:28:08] the publicly available information we had, and and the
[00:28:12] Air Force One jet landed with the Air Force One call sign
[00:28:16] despite the president not being aboard, that that there was a serious
[00:28:19] shell game of sorts that occurred there uh, to keep the
[00:28:23] president safe. And did were there white house staffers who
[00:28:26] were on the decoy air force 1 that also thought that the
[00:28:30] president was still on that plane?"
[00:28:34] "my understanding is there was some white house staff that did not know uh, this
[00:28:38] was kept close hold in a small group and
[00:28:41] obviously the white house press core which reported not only
[00:28:45] in that day but in the subsequent weeks as well uh that the president had
[00:28:49] traveled whole on the quote unquote old air force one that's simply not
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