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[00:01:40] so, will the time come,
[00:01:44] or rather the trend, for imperfection to be in
[00:01:47] focus, and when I say imperfection, I mean
[00:01:50] natural, so when you see someone write a post
[00:01:54] that you see is truly an experiential
[00:01:57] post, not clear... by the number of paragraphs,
[00:02:01] a clear leading lead sentence that is always
[00:02:05] in the center, at the end it is put again, or
[00:02:08] repeated, so, that space that is used, that dash
[00:02:12] is no longer the regular, small one, but the long one, some even
[00:02:15] have those emojis left, green and blue, what
[00:02:18] do I know, red fires on the side, so we have already started
[00:02:21] to throw that out, but so when will
[00:02:25] imperfection in every sense become a trend,
[00:02:28] Borislav?
[00:02:30] Hmm, that already exists, so, that already exists, we call that
[00:02:34] avant-garde, so, that already exists, I even have it in my
[00:02:37] work with clients, it started as
[00:02:41] a joke, of course, but it has now become a serious business decision,
[00:02:45] so, if I am in copywriting and
[00:02:48] when I get a request from a client for a certain text for a website, landing
[00:02:52] page and so on, it started as a joke, today it is a serious business
[00:02:55] decision, so this is the price if you want me to do it with my AI
[00:02:59] agents. "It's 10 times more expensive if you want me to take a pen and paper and
[00:03:03] do it from scratch, so that already
[00:03:06] exists in areas, of course in niches, but it already
[00:03:09] exists as a trend, so you have
[00:03:13] clients, you have companies that want, regardless of the possibilities they
[00:03:16] know and use certain possibilities, they still want to have
[00:03:19] that, as we say, in inverted commas, human mm
[00:03:23] human factor, that now, I say again, paradoxically, because in
[00:03:26] AI everything is paradoxical, it is paradoxical now..." it's
[00:03:30] more expensive, so to do it, just as art, I
[00:03:34] would say in a sense, right, is appreciated in that
[00:03:37] sense, so my position is still, I say, in that
[00:03:41] sense, mm, I am not afraid for myself, I am
[00:03:44] 41 years old, everything I do with AI I have done a thousand
[00:03:48] times manually, so I am not afraid of that, but I am afraid for my
[00:03:51] children, that is what I have a problem with, because my child will
[00:03:55] make the first presentation with an egg, I have made thousands,
[00:03:59] mhm. Mhm, that's right, Nermin,
[00:04:03] imperfect, perfect, and maybe the only good thing is that we now increasingly
[00:04:07] see on portals that it has to state at the top that it is AI
[00:04:10] generated actually, which is a good thing, a good thing, but
[00:04:14] I mean, you said that now after three years of reading
[00:04:18] AI-generated content, you exactly by the pattern on which,
[00:04:21] or by the principle of
[00:04:23] I don't know,
[00:04:26] that's right, absolutely, you see, you conclude okay, this is an AI-generated text.
[00:04:30] This, so that authenticity, I mean, when someone truly
[00:04:33] writes an authentic article, an authentic post, you can judge that,
[00:04:37] this, certainly we have a problem again
[00:04:42] you have AI that can with the clarity of communicating what we want to communicate, because when you write things
[00:04:44] through AI, it tries so hard to be eloquent and inserts
[00:04:48] so many superfluous terms where you sometimes very, very, yes,
[00:04:51] it's very difficult to control, especially for people who are not experts in the topic
[00:04:55] they want to write about, so this
[00:04:59] sometimes they have to. leave it to AI and it somehow writes it too cumbersome,
[00:05:02] too broad, too everything, this, so that some clarity
[00:05:06] of the message it actually wants to convey is completely lost in that
[00:05:09] post, this, so I think that certainly this. some
[00:05:13] shorter format, clearer format, simpler format, will absolutely be
[00:05:16] something that in the future, will be preferred by
[00:05:20] people, and indeed by algorithms, because somehow we are all getting tired of this
[00:05:24] AI-generated content, we are probably leaving social networks, this colleague is just one example, I
[00:05:28] have dozens, this because people suddenly started making,
[00:05:32] we all make personal brands, we all write three posts a day, we all
[00:05:35] talk about some emotional this plots,
[00:05:39] resolutions of our lives, professional careers and it's somehow. become
[00:05:43] tiring, because we can't all be some kind of influencers and influential and
[00:05:46] what do I know, someone simply needs to do the job they are talented for, and I'm glad
[00:05:50] you mentioned communication, because somehow it seems we forget
[00:05:54] the basic essence of communication, which is to understand each other, we can understand
[00:05:57] each other only if we feel each other, that is, if there is that emotion, and
[00:06:01] emotion cannot be hidden, that is, very rarely can it be
[00:06:04] hidden or it will eventually come out, and that AI-generated content actually
[00:06:08] gives that hybrid emotion that does not resonate
[00:06:11] with people. exactly if you know it or know the people who
[00:06:15] write that content, you actually see that it's not theirs and
[00:06:19] 100% of cases, 100% of cases, that's right, but
[00:06:22] here, when we talk about AI not as a very useful tool which,
[00:06:26] as we said at the beginning, if used correctly, can bring benefits to the individual and
[00:06:30] the community and the company, mm what are those skills
[00:06:34] mm that in the future will differentiate those
[00:06:37] who will get jobs more easily and those who will not?
[00:06:40] Generations to come
[00:06:44] m I agree again with my colleague that new
[00:06:47] generations will have more problems being
[00:06:50] onboarded to some simple jobs, this
[00:06:54] because you have older colleagues or seniors who now
[00:06:57] with that AI can do their job without
[00:07:01] wasting time and nerves to explain something to them and then get
[00:07:04] the wrong result, and then there are several iterations if
[00:07:08] some junior learns this, I again have the feeling that we are a social
[00:07:12] society. that we will certainly need to work with people more, because the corona showed
[00:07:16] that even in the software industry, this remote
[00:07:20] that we all currently prefer and all
[00:07:24] support, this is not ideal, already almost the sixth year
[00:07:27] - and as for knowledge itself, I think it's really important to
[00:07:30] be experts in the niche
[00:07:34] we move in, this no one can take away from you, I mean,
[00:07:38] again, you are an experienced journalist and my colleague is an experienced journalist, again I come back to the fact that...
[00:07:43] problem, but no one can take your contacts from you, no one can take away your
[00:07:47] personality and so on, I mean, you have open doors almost everywhere, no one
[00:07:51] can simulate an interview with a person who is difficult to
[00:07:54] reach through AI, meaning you can reach that person or you cannot reach that person, that is,
[00:07:58] for example, for your profession or or anything else, it doesn't matter now if it's
[00:08:01] an exclusive interview, information, anything,
[00:08:05] this, I mean, it's easy to simulate with AI, but when things
[00:08:09] are transferred to a real context,
[00:08:13] your personality is quite an important factor in how well you do your job, and other
[00:08:16] jobs, what is it that will
[00:08:19] disappear? Well, well, it will certainly
[00:08:22] disappear, these truly templated
[00:08:26] jobs, that means customer support, that means some of this serial
[00:08:30] sales, "good day, we're bringing you a mattress on sale"
[00:08:34] and so on, meaning all these things truly function
[00:08:37] even today on the principle that you have an algorithm
[00:08:41] of functioning, someone gave you that paper and says, "when the client calls,
[00:08:44] say this sentence, if they say option A, say this, if they say
[00:08:48] option B, say this" and reads, that's right, so here
[00:08:52] you are essentially turning a human into a more or less a bot
[00:08:56] machine that has a clear functioning algorithm, it's the same, I mean, you give it a program and
[00:08:59] it outputs 10,000 commands a day, what about consultants? Well,
[00:09:03] I think that will really remain alive in functions, i.e., we started too early
[00:09:06] to write off those people as white-collar jobs and this segment
[00:09:10] is in collapse.
[00:09:12] You can replace a person who, for example, take the field of electrical power engineering, you have
[00:09:16] a consultant who is an expert in high voltage, mhm, I don't know,
[00:09:19] high-voltage grid and so on, you really can't replace
[00:09:23] a person who has been doing that for 20 years with AI, even though AI might already have enough data
[00:09:27] in its models, especially in larger models, so you can get any
[00:09:30] kind of information on how to potentially solve a
[00:09:33] problem, but those high-voltage grids,
[00:09:36] for example, are so specific,
[00:09:40] you have case-by-case things that absolutely. are not the same from node to
[00:09:43] node, they affect security, so this, consultants as
[00:09:47] consultants, I really don't think they are going anywhere as
[00:09:51] a profession, but certainly there will be different expectations of
[00:09:55] them in terms of their output, because realistically before, you made a presentation
[00:09:59] of a hundred pages of text like you made a case study, today anyone can
[00:10:03] write a case study if you give them enough information, so we will again
[00:10:07] have to go back to doing hands-on things because we are really
[00:10:10] expected to produce results and not just instructions on how. to do something,
[00:10:13] does all that amuse you? I, for one, am very amused listening to you talk,
[00:10:17] because I believe there are so many unexplored possibilities of what
[00:10:20] I don't know, and what I would certainly like to find out, somehow
[00:10:24] with this current available knowledge, capital, contacts
[00:10:28] and what a person has and and actually
[00:10:31] does the future excite you or
[00:10:34] are you one of those who, well, in some short-term period, that is
[00:10:38] the next three, five, seven years, absolutely yes, because
[00:10:41] truly
[00:10:43] if if you want to work, if you are, you don't have to be a workaholic, but
[00:10:47] if you just want to do what you do, truly with AI
[00:10:51] tools, we can do things much, certainly two or three times
[00:10:54] better. Faster, then I think you open up new
[00:10:57] opportunities, you solve new problems, this,
[00:11:01] but you have to be motivated to do it sincerely, if if you don't want to work
[00:11:04] and especially I mean in the IT industry, we are witnesses that
[00:11:07] people absolutely abuse this AI coding
[00:11:10] tools where this it's no longer like, even though it's very
[00:11:14] casual and a job and a profession, it's gone to some
[00:11:17] extreme now when you talk to that agent and he
[00:11:21] gives some kind of recommendation, i.e., advice, if something needs to be done, you say yes. you go,
[00:11:25] drink coffee, then you come back after it's finished, then the next step, you say yes again,
[00:11:29] made, make, I mean we won't get far with
[00:11:34] as a programmer, nor as an architect, civil engineer, anything, this,
[00:11:38] but that's why we started it ourselves, I mean, that's some standard of quality
[00:11:41] that we accept, and then if that AI later becomes better than us, we are to
[00:11:45] blame ourselves, can that happen? Well, it certainly can for people who
[00:11:49] truly do their job superficially, honestly, because I am convinced that even a person
[00:11:52] who works as an administrative worker in general. "Mhm,
[00:11:56] has some knowledge that AI cannot, we all
[00:11:59] have to master, we all have that, now it's just a matter of whether that person will actually be
[00:12:03] like, oh, you're missing one paper, or will they solve
[00:12:07] the problems of people who come to them every day two, three, five, 10
[00:12:10] times, because they truly have a real problem, yes, Borislav,
[00:12:14] what, how, maybe that's more a question for doctors,
[00:12:17] psychologists, psychotherapists, but you work a lot with
[00:12:21] young people and you know how they function, with us and what their
[00:12:24] current status is on the labor market and we know how many baby
[00:12:28] boomers are somewhat leaving the labor market, and those who
[00:12:31] currently lead companies are precisely those baby boomers, however, the
[00:12:35] millennials and Alphas and Gen Z
[00:12:38] generations are coming to the market, how much
[00:12:42] do you actually see there
[00:12:45] that we will all have to adapt and actually precisely
[00:12:49] count on that new mindset of people, young
[00:12:52] people who have literally been raised and grown up. in another
[00:12:56] generation, that is, in another system, and how
[00:12:59] to reconcile these things, how challenging it will be, and how
[00:13:02] not challenging in a negative sense, but perhaps fun?
[00:13:06] Well, there are several
[00:13:09] layers of depth here, so the first thing we need to understand is
[00:13:13] that younger generations are
[00:13:16] much worse at what we were just talking about, something that is now becoming
[00:13:19] the most important, which is, unfortunately for them, and that's why I don't like that term.
[00:13:23] but it is currently the most relevant, that is the
[00:13:26] so-called set of soft skills, soft skills
[00:13:29] are no longer soft skills, they are now hard skills, that's where millennials
[00:13:33] and Alpha generations are weakest due to the influence of
[00:13:36] technology, social networks, delayed
[00:13:39] communication, mediated and so on, those are things, for example, I
[00:13:43] can see that through my students and through daily work and internships and
[00:13:47] so on, yes, you can have a brilliant young
[00:13:50] journalist, male or female, who are fantastic, so they
[00:13:53] resonate, have critical... opinion and all that, but these people, for
[00:13:57] example, cannot stand someone yelling at them, for example, and they quit because
[00:14:01] of that, so the essence here, now I say, AI is one
[00:14:04] indicator, one indicator
[00:14:07] of initiating these changes, is that young people
[00:14:10] must work much, much more on those, let's say, human
[00:14:14] dimensions in terms of communication,
[00:14:17] mediation, understanding, interpretation,
[00:14:20] uh, empathy and so on, more than the skills themselves, so, as we say,
[00:14:24] skills. for work, or rather work skills, that is what I say, in my
[00:14:28] opinion, is the most complex at the first level, on the other hand,
[00:14:31] we have a problem that I have been trying to
[00:14:35] raise in public discourse for years, it is the following, pay attention
[00:14:39] now, if you have young people in the education system, especially
[00:14:43] universities and you now have very powerful AI
[00:14:46] systems, and now imagine
[00:14:49] a student, a pupil, it doesn't matter, in high school who
[00:14:52] passes without problems through... education with
[00:14:56] AI, that is now possible to do, but pay attention to the paradox now, and that's where I catch them
[00:14:59] and I think that is mm in my opinion the correct pedagogical path,
[00:15:03] it is the following, if
[00:15:07] launch you through education, tomorrow when
[00:15:10] you knock on my door, instead of you, a Mac Mini will be sitting that does your
[00:15:13] job, so you have to sum two and two, you have to have that
[00:15:17] reasoning, so if I have a tool that helps me finish something that I will be doing tomorrow
[00:15:21] without breaking a sweat, then I won't have a job... tomorrow, so,
[00:15:24] I'm making a pact with the devil,
[00:15:28] so that I have more time now to launch
[00:15:32] myself through the educational process, tomorrow when it comes, I always simulate it for them through
[00:15:35] my mm perspective, you. knock on my door, I say,
[00:15:39] I'm sorry, but I don't need you, I have that same AI agent that you
[00:15:42] used, he does your job, that is
[00:15:45] I think that is where we need to look for, in my opinion,
[00:15:48] reasoning, especially in younger generations, yes,
[00:15:52] what do I gain if I just give in to,
[00:15:55] let's say, the tide, in terms of
[00:15:59] how the water carries me, so you are simply proving
[00:16:02] to yourself that you are superfluous, that is the point of my story,
[00:16:06] yes, very interesting... very interesting experiences and I'm glad
[00:16:10] we're talking about this topic this morning, somehow time
[00:16:13] flies too fast for me to ask everything I'm
[00:16:17] interested in, and I believe what interests our viewers and
[00:16:20] we will certainly open this topic again, so
[00:16:24] and try to open our eyes to us,
[00:16:27] older or more experienced, and those who are entering the labor market, so
[00:16:30] that we can, well, find that much-desired balance, both for those who
[00:16:34] are employed in the labor market and those who actually hire those
[00:16:38] people in the industry, thank you very much colleague for calling
[00:16:41] this morning, thank you for the invitation. Ermine,
[00:16:45] thank you very much for taking the time out of the sea of all the meetings that
[00:16:49] await you today, and a truly interesting topic, great context that
[00:16:52] my colleague gave, so thank you for the invitation. See you again,
[00:16:56] stay with us, a short break, then we go into the world to talk about some
[00:17:00] other
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