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[00:00:01] Trump administration is notoriously transactional, which
[00:00:04] means when it gives something, it wants
[00:00:07] something in return. They lifted sanctions,
[00:00:10] then made a visit to the
[00:00:13] hand, calls for White House, but got nothing in return as far as
[00:00:16] I know. So, the question is what they actually
[00:00:20] got. That is still unknown,
[00:00:24] I'm sure there's something behind it. We know some
[00:00:27] lobbyists were involved, but I don't think
[00:00:30] that was
[00:00:34] enough. I think there's a big piece missing from that
[00:00:37] puzzle regarding what Trump actually got
[00:00:41] for what he did for Dodik. Well,
[00:00:44] maybe the deal was to actually get nothing, just to give, or is getting
[00:00:47] this Dodik that we see
[00:00:51] today,
[00:00:53] who is, well, how can I say, encouraged, it seems to
[00:00:56] me, uhm, meetings
[00:01:00] in Washington, it is obvious that he
[00:01:04] went for support for secession, not only to Washington,
[00:01:07] but before that, to
[00:01:10] Israel. How does all this look to you? Did
[00:01:13] he get support for his secessionist
[00:01:16] actions?
[00:01:24] You would have to ask the administration,
[00:01:27] people to they did not send any signal in that regard to the
[00:01:30] public, but what they say in
[00:01:33] private, that is not
[00:01:36] known. What is confusing
[00:01:39] is that Dodik is getting
[00:01:42] sweets, symbolically speaking, from Washington, but
[00:01:46] also Vučić. So you have to explain
[00:01:50] why Dodik gets such sympathy, but also
[00:01:53] why Vučić doesn't get the same
[00:01:56] treatment?
[00:01:59] What I see here is a clear sign of a change
[00:02:02] in American policy, I see a pretty clear sign
[00:02:06] of a change in the way they
[00:02:10] prepare, or rather, how they treat
[00:02:12] Dodik, when it comes to quid pro quo,
[00:02:16] that is, getting something in return, I actually
[00:02:20] cannot speculate on that question what they could have gotten in
[00:02:23] return, I really don't know what it
[00:02:25] was,
[00:02:28] and actually I would like to encourage enterprising young journalists to discover
[00:02:32] that? Well, yes,
[00:02:34] and Herzegovina in Sarajevo know of course, we are trying, although
[00:02:36] I am not young, but still I am also trying
[00:02:40] to find out what happened, what is happening and what will
[00:02:43] happen next, but there are no answers, maybe
[00:02:47] this is also the new realpolitik, the new
[00:02:50] American approach, how does it all seem to you, Adnan,
[00:02:53] uh, I know you have been warning for
[00:02:56] years that all of this would happen, especially
[00:03:00] if official Sarajevo remains dormant as it
[00:03:03] has been all
[00:03:05] this time? First of all, thank you very much.
[00:03:09] Unfortunately, I had hoped I wouldn't come to this
[00:03:12] position. I had hoped I wouldn't be
[00:03:16] uh, there, having to uh, explain this
[00:03:20] again, to experience this again, which we unfortunately experienced. I started
[00:03:24] talking about it about ten years ago, that
[00:03:27] Washington D.C. has dramatically changed. "Washington
[00:03:31] D.C. is not the D.C. it was, even during
[00:03:34] the first Trump administration. I completely
[00:03:37] agree with Professor Server, here on the scene is
[00:03:40] transactional politics, politics
[00:03:43] of unilateralism and at best bilateralism,
[00:03:45] the right to uh, so that everything
[00:03:48] is to be expected, what can
[00:03:52] happen in relations between not only Bosnia and
[00:03:55] Herzegovina and the United States, but with the
[00:03:58] rest of the world, and we are all... we all are witnesses to that,
[00:04:02] however, there is one, one thing that needs to be seriously
[00:04:06] work through other channels divided, one is official American policy
[00:04:08] and that is, Professor spoke briefly
[00:04:12] publicly working to about it, the official policy of the United States towards
[00:04:15] Bosnia and Herzegovina has not changed,
[00:04:18] or rather, it has in the segment that they
[00:04:22] have returned to some initial settings and additionally
[00:04:25] said, agree among yourselves within Bosnia and
[00:04:28] Herzegovina. However, on the other hand, that is what is a big
[00:04:32] problem, which we always discussed before,
[00:04:36] that practically Bosnia and Herzegovina does not exist
[00:04:39] in a lobbying sense, that is the battle that
[00:04:43] currently secessionist forces
[00:04:47] are winning, that is the problem where I currently
[00:04:51] see it, I saw it in the past, I see it in
[00:04:54] the future, given that we know that next, next actions
[00:04:58] are coming, they have been announced on... Of course, it is natural
[00:05:01] that Mr. Čović will also come, who will, in this
[00:05:04] visit, use very similar
[00:05:08] paths to the administration that Mr.
[00:05:12] Dodik also used, as well as the new announcement by Mr. Dodik, that
[00:05:16] he will come again here to Washington D.C.
[00:05:19] in March, so
[00:05:22] I think that unfortunately many things are
[00:05:25] changing, that
[00:05:28] Sarajevo, official Sarajevo, pro-Bosnian-Herzegovinian
[00:05:32] forces must finally wake up and
[00:05:35] realize that they should use this crisis as
[00:05:38] an opportunity and as soon as possible I want
[00:05:42] to primarily say this part that refers to
[00:05:45] lobbying, as soon as possible they should find a way and return
[00:05:49] to the lobbying field in Washington, because lobbying here is
[00:05:52] legal and legitimate and desirable
[00:05:55] means, especially in the transactional politics
[00:05:58] of the administration of President
[00:06:01] Trump. Can everything really be bought
[00:06:04] with money in America, even secession?
[00:06:16] You see, at this moment I really don't think it can be
[00:06:19] bought. I think favor can
[00:06:23] undoubtedly be bought, that certain
[00:06:27] issues can be
[00:06:30] opened, which, unfortunately, when Pandora's
[00:06:33] box is opened, can create a lot
[00:06:36] of problems for pro-Bosnian-Herzegovinian
[00:06:40] forces, who are not doing
[00:06:43] well on that logistical part, compared to these other two
[00:06:46] two forces who unfortunately
[00:06:48] uh, in
[00:06:52] the best, in the best case, as
[00:06:55] they see it, a three-part , three-part entity
[00:06:58] division for Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[00:07:02] Of course, some of them ultimately dream
[00:07:05] of the final division of Bosnia and Herzegovina, so I don't think at this moment
[00:07:09] it's possible, but
[00:07:12] again, systematic work over 10
[00:07:15] years, for example, the office of Republika Srpska paying
[00:07:19] millions of dollars in
[00:07:22] the past 10-12 years,
[00:07:25] you see that it led to a situation where Bosnia
[00:07:28] and Herzegovina can still be talked about in a different way. Many people
[00:07:32] , as they say in America, took the American
[00:07:34] stance for granted. The American stance is no
[00:07:38] longer, and official diplomacy,
[00:07:41] official channels are one
[00:07:45] channel, however, at this moment they have
[00:07:49] their limits, so it is a serious warning that this other
[00:07:52] part of the action must be resolved
[00:07:55] as soon as possible, which means, practically
[00:07:58] tomorrow. Let me ask the professor, can
[00:08:01] everything be bought in America with lobbying
[00:08:05] money? Can Republika Srpska get what it didn't get in the war, what it didn't get in
[00:08:09] Dayton, a state?
[00:08:13] "To get that today through lobbying and ideological
[00:08:17] affinity with current American
[00:08:20] leaders, that Bosnia and Herzegovina, what it preserved
[00:08:24] with blood in Dayton got a state, however
[00:08:27] it was, actually
[00:08:29] loses it.
[00:08:38] I don't think it's possible to lose a country, but I think it is possible
[00:08:41] to buy almost everything in Washington these
[00:08:45] days,
[00:08:48] because this administration is extremely corrupt, they
[00:08:52] accept millions
[00:08:55] in cryptocurrency,
[00:08:59] so it's nothing more than
[00:09:01] fraud.
[00:09:04] And it is really completely clear that Trump's White
[00:09:07] House will sell almost
[00:09:10] everything for...
[00:09:13] Money.
[00:09:18] There is no
[00:09:20] possibility of dividing Bosnia into two parts. If that happens,
[00:09:24] Bosnia will be divided into three parts and it will not pass peacefully.
[00:09:28] putem.
[00:09:32] In my opinion, that has always been the case. And I felt that way even
[00:09:36] before the Trump administration.
[00:09:39] That the authorities in Sarajevo, if they want to keep their country,
[00:09:43] their state, they must have
[00:09:44] the capacity
[00:09:47] to lead that country on the ground,
[00:09:51] i.e., within Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[00:09:54] Frankly speaking, I don't know if they have
[00:09:57] such, such capacity. However, if they do,
[00:10:01] they must use it. On the other hand, if they
[00:10:05] don't, it will very soon become obvious
[00:10:08] if Dodik, or the current national
[00:10:13] leaders, do the worst and try to
[00:10:16] secede. I also want to clarify
[00:10:19] the following, that there is no membership in the European
[00:10:23] Union for Bosniak
[00:10:25] Bosnian Croats or Bosnian Serbs
[00:10:29] if they secede. Bosnian
[00:10:32] Croats already have a Croatian
[00:10:35] passport and already have some
[00:10:39] advantages in EU membership, but when it comes to
[00:10:42] Bosnian Serbs, this should represent a big
[00:10:45] problem for them.
[00:10:48] Neither Serbia nor Republika Srpska will be
[00:10:51] able to join the European
[00:10:55] Union if Bosnia is
[00:10:57] divided.
[00:11:02] I have so much faith in Europeans.
[00:11:06] Adnan, we're talking about millions, not billions. So
[00:11:09] where are those millions, here the Federation has an
[00:11:13] annual budget of several billions. Cantons
[00:11:17] have, here Sarajevo canton for years
[00:11:20] already more than a billion
[00:11:23] in budget, so how is it possible that several
[00:11:27] millions, tens of millions for
[00:11:29] lobbying in America cannot be found, if it is true what the professor says, and
[00:11:33] he knows very well that in America with this administration
[00:11:37] everything can be arranged and everything can be
[00:11:39] bought,
[00:11:42] well, again, we discussed that before, I think
[00:11:45] the problem is in the will, in
[00:11:49] the courage of certain
[00:11:52] adequately, I say that there were some
[00:11:56] attempts to do it in some way, however, it
[00:12:00] is known how it is done and of course it is
[00:12:03] possible to find two, three, five, 20 million,
[00:12:07] that is the least of the problems to do, because everything here is
[00:12:10] transparent, here you will come and sign one, two or five
[00:12:13] contracts with adequate lobbying
[00:12:16] organizations in Washington D.C., you find those who are
[00:12:20] closest to the administration, with five,
[00:12:23] six talking points, these people will work day and night for you
[00:12:26] and they will do their part of the job for what
[00:12:30] they are paid for, precisely for that reason for years I
[00:12:34] have been the one who tried to wake up the people in
[00:12:37] Sarajevo and the officials in Sarajevo to
[00:12:41] take that step, to take the correct step
[00:12:45] in the correct way, so that it is all absolutely transparent,
[00:12:48] meaning precisely for that reason I said earlier it's not
[00:12:52] too late, it can be done tomorrow.
[00:12:55] The people in Bosnia
[00:12:59] how it should be done and they need to
[00:13:03] funnel that money, whether it comes from private individuals, whether it
[00:13:06] comes from official institutions,
[00:13:10] it is completely irrelevant, what is important is that it is all transparent,
[00:13:13] signed in a transparent way, monitored in a
[00:13:16] transparent way and in America it will certainly be
[00:13:19] published in a transparent way on official
[00:13:23] channels.
[00:13:33] That's right, if there's no state, that's the problem, I,
[00:13:37] I apologize for that term, but we've been crying for the last
[00:13:41] 10 years for it to happen, now it's finally time for
[00:13:44] it to happen, I completely agree with the professor
[00:13:48] here, meaning you have to show that you are credible,
[00:13:51] you have to play on that field and pay.
[00:13:55] What you have to pay, it's not all about money,
[00:13:58] you have to have a strategy of what to offer, here
[00:14:02] specifically the southern connection, interconnection is a good
[00:14:05] thing, but that's just one thing,
[00:14:08] Bosnian-Herzegovinian forces have a lot
[00:14:11] more things to offer than, say, those
[00:14:15] who are currently offering it, but I don't see anyone
[00:14:19] offering it, that's the problem, people, you have to
[00:14:22] understand that here it's no longer only conventional
[00:14:26] diplomacy that works, you have to
[00:14:31] through which you will reach adequate people
[00:14:35] who will ultimately lead you to that White
[00:14:38] House, where you will have the opportunity to deliver
[00:14:41] a message, and also you will have the opportunity to
[00:14:45] offer, because what the professor emphasized, I completely
[00:14:48] agree with him, this is a time of transactions, gentlemen,
[00:14:52] accept the time of transactions and start playing this game,
[00:14:56] if you want to preserve Bosnia and Herzegovina as a sovereign
[00:15:00] state in the future. Well, is there anything
[00:15:03] more honorable than lobbying, if it must be, in America
[00:15:07] for the survival of a unified state, Bosnia
[00:15:11] and Herzegovina, sovereign, in which all
[00:15:14] people will live together and not allow
[00:15:18] lobbying and, as
[00:15:21] they say, acting on
[00:15:24] breaking up the state. But here, when we talk
[00:15:27] about those who are full of patriotism,
[00:15:31] these who, for example, now from the "Troika"
[00:15:35] represent these pro-Bosnian-Herzegovinian
[00:15:37] parties,
[00:15:40] we see a mix of ridicule, actually
[00:15:43] trivialization of these actions
[00:15:47] of separatists in America, on the other
[00:15:51] a final awakening, formation
[00:15:54] of some unified
[00:15:57] pro-Bosnian-Herzegovinian bloc, uh,
[00:16:00] does that seem to you actually tragic, tragically comical and very
[00:16:04] dangerous that people who currently call
[00:16:08] themselves and want to present themselves as great patriots, in fact
[00:16:11] understand what is
[00:16:13] happening?
[00:16:17] You are asking me, well, I ask both the professor and
[00:16:20] you, Professor,
[00:16:32] I would not really like to comment on
[00:16:34] Bosnian politicians when it comes to this, but I want
[00:16:37] to comment on the American side, it is simply
[00:16:41] shameful and it is about a sudden
[00:16:44] change from the past in relation to
[00:16:47] the past.
[00:16:50] So, this kind of financial lobbying
[00:16:53] was not done in the past in Washington.
[00:16:56] Of course, there was lobbying because lobbying is
[00:16:59] legal, you have to come and explain some
[00:17:03] things to members of Congress and the White House, that was always
[00:17:06] the case.
[00:17:11] However, this type of lobbying with a large amount
[00:17:15] of money is not typical. When I was an official in
[00:17:18] the government, I was not high-ranking,
[00:17:22] but I had certain
[00:17:24] responsibilities.
[00:17:27] I would refuse to arrange a meeting with
[00:17:30] someone,
[00:17:32] with someone who would seek something through lobbyists. I
[00:17:36] would tell that person, "Address me
[00:17:40] directly, I don't want someone to earn
[00:17:43] money because of the very privilege of being able to
[00:17:47] meet with me. I would actually
[00:17:50] accept a meeting with anyone who asks me directly
[00:17:53] and whom I consider credible.
[00:17:57] So, this is a big change from the past, really
[00:18:01] big,
[00:18:03] and I think many American officials, like
[00:18:07] me, were impatient with
[00:18:10] lobbyists. I didn't like it when they came to
[00:18:14] my office, but when someone wanted a meeting
[00:18:17] with me, I always wanted them to contact me directly, to call me and ask for
[00:18:21] a meeting. You know, we've come a long
[00:18:25] way, it's not at all
[00:18:28] surprising that it's hard for Bosnians to
[00:18:31] understand how much things have changed in
[00:18:34] Washington, and things really
[00:18:37] practically changed.
[00:18:40] The behavior that I can see today,
[00:18:43] would have sent you to prison behind bars, even just a
[00:18:47] few years ago. Well,
[00:18:50] just a few months ago, actually, Dodik's behavior could have sent him
[00:18:53] to prison, and he got a prison sentence of a
[00:18:56] year, which he bought off. Now,
[00:19:00] he's a partner, an interlocutor, very direct,
[00:19:03] but Adnan, I want you to comment on this behavior.
[00:19:07] Yes, very, very much so. The professor
[00:19:10] wanted to be politically correct so
[00:19:13] he didn't criticize these
[00:19:16] politicians in Sarajevo, but you as a Bosnian
[00:19:20] have absolutely
[00:19:23] do so. Yes, I, as both a Bosnian and a Bosnian-
[00:19:26] American, who has long advocated
[00:19:30] for strengthening relations between BiH and
[00:19:33] the United States and the United States with Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[00:19:37] "I have every right to comment on that and
[00:19:41] I will try to be very realistic and very, I will try to
[00:19:44] keep myself at a certain level, statesmanlike in the sense
[00:19:48] that I will say the following,
[00:19:52] that I am at the very least
[00:19:55] saddened by what I currently see
[00:19:58] in political Sarajevo, that
[00:20:02] political Sarajevo in February of this
[00:20:06] year has entered this topic into its
[00:20:09] pre-election campaign, this is a message
[00:20:12] to both the position and the opposition,
[00:20:15] because the position was the opposition, and those who
[00:20:19] are today the opposition were once
[00:20:22] the position, so on this issue of
[00:20:25] lobbying, they did absolutely nothing, so
[00:20:29] both of them from the point of view
[00:20:32] of lobbying in Washington D.C. are, as they say
[00:20:36] in Bosnia and Herzegovina, on the same
[00:20:38] track.
[00:20:41] Minimization, minimization
[00:20:44] is not good, especially
[00:20:46] knowing that there is
[00:20:50] continuous systematic
[00:20:52] work from the past 10 years, which
[00:20:56] has led to certain results, and this
[00:21:00] moment has been long awaited and now
[00:21:03] you have a climate in Washington
[00:21:06] that accepts such a type of rhetoric
[00:21:10] and discourse, and you have pamphlets
[00:21:13] that officials from Republika Srpska were carrying,
[00:21:17] where they present that in Bosnia and
[00:21:20] Herzegovina a clash of civilizations is happening,
[00:21:24] a map of Republika Srpska is shown
[00:21:27] as a bulwark of defense against under quotation marks
[00:21:31] impending some kind of
[00:21:35] Muslims who are a European
[00:21:37] people, a people who strive, if anyone is
[00:21:41] pro-European, if anyone
[00:21:43] is pro- NATO, NATO in Bosnia
[00:21:47] and Herzegovina, then it is precisely them.
[00:21:51] pro-Bosnians and mostly Bosniaks,
[00:21:54] to put that aside, to put it in its
[00:21:58] place, gentlemen in Sarajevo
[00:22:02] need to stop engaging in petty politics
[00:22:05] and understand the moment that this is
[00:22:09] a turning point in relations between Bosnia and
[00:22:12] Herzegovina and the United States,
[00:22:15] stop doing what they are doing,
[00:22:19] sit down seriously at the table, agree
[00:22:22] on five points with which they should
[00:22:25] send someone to sign a contract with three
[00:22:29] or four lobbying firms and start covering that part of the ground,
[00:22:33] to be fair, this other
[00:22:36] diplomatic part, established diplomatic practice,
[00:22:40] to be fair, is moving forward
[00:22:43] in that segment, certain
[00:22:46] officials have made serious progress compared to those
[00:22:50] who were before, one needs to be realistic and tell the truth,
[00:22:53] however you say it, I think it's important to
[00:22:57] emphasize, because now that this opposition,
[00:23:00] the SDA first of all, is attacking the Trojka, it seems that
[00:23:03] everything was wonderful, beautiful while they were in power, as if
[00:23:07] all these actions by Dodik have been going on since
[00:23:10] the Trojka came to power,
[00:23:14] that's why it's so important to emphasize that, mhm, I mean,
[00:23:17] of course, it doesn't help the Trojka
[00:23:20] that they didn't do their job, so here Foreign Minister
[00:23:24] Konaković yesterday is not talking about there
[00:23:27] being money for lobbying for Bosnia and Herzegovina, but
[00:23:31] rather he publicly reveals lobbying
[00:23:34] contracts for Republika Srpska, we, we get nothing
[00:23:37] from that contract, no
[00:23:39] lobbyists, so precisely
[00:23:43] we get nothing from that contract, we must have, as
[00:23:47] Bosnians, contracts
[00:23:50] signed as early as tomorrow with the strongest
[00:23:53] lobbying firms that will start doing that
[00:23:57] part of the work of suppressing
[00:24:00] that part, because people forget that Washington is no longer Washington, it has
[00:24:04] serious elements, people who work here
[00:24:07] do lobbying activities,
[00:24:10] they give access directly
[00:24:14] to administration officials, precisely what the professor
[00:24:17] so beautifully elaborated, that before
[00:24:21] it wasn't quite like that, lobbying has always been
[00:24:24] part of the system and was desirable, however
[00:24:27] it was not at this level, that it was so, let's
[00:24:31] say, brutally open, and that's why, that's why
[00:24:34] the cards, if you'll excuse the expression, have aligned
[00:24:37] for these retrograde forces
[00:24:41] coming from Republika Srpska, represented
[00:24:44] by Milorad Dodik. If professor, uh, uh,
[00:24:48] these patriots from Sarajevo
[00:24:51] politically do nothing, don't get involved in this
[00:24:54] game for the survival of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and those
[00:24:58] who are very openly,
[00:25:02] divide it, what will actually
[00:25:04] happen? Is it possible to really expect in
[00:25:08] one moment that this country will
[00:25:12] be divided, that the Dayton
[00:25:15] Agreement will collapse?
[00:25:24] You know, that is entirely possible, something like that can
[00:25:27] happen. We haven't mentioned it yet, but it is certain
[00:25:31] that Russia would be very pleased to see such
[00:25:35] a situation.
[00:25:38] Because that would destroy what America
[00:25:41] achieved, it would destabilize the Balkans in a general
[00:25:44] sense, and NATO would have a huge
[00:25:47] problem.
[00:25:50] There, also for Europeans, they would have a big problem they would have
[00:25:53] to deal with. Yes, it has always been possible, even
[00:25:57] since the signing of the Dayton Agreement, that
[00:26:00] Bosnia and Herzegovina could
[00:26:03] be divided, but as I said
[00:26:06] earlier, there is no possibility of a peaceful
[00:26:09] separation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, only
[00:26:12] a violent one.
[00:26:14] And that is the main reason why that should be
[00:26:17] avoided.
[00:26:20] Because here it is not only about Bosnian patriotism,
[00:26:23] here it is about avoiding death and
[00:26:26] destruction.
[00:26:28] And I saw a lot of that during the war, when I was not
[00:26:32] only in Sarajevo, but I traveled with the Federation
[00:26:35] forces through the territory of the Federation, I was here during
[00:26:39] the war, so no one should want to go back to
[00:26:42] that, but that would
[00:26:44] happen.
[00:26:47] That would happen if real efforts were made
[00:26:51] for
[00:26:51] secession.
[00:26:55] And I think that the Russians, who have turned
[00:26:59] much more to the Balkans in recent years. I think the
[00:27:03] Russians would want to play with such
[00:27:06] a state, anything that would cause more problems for
[00:27:09] NATO, or that would open a second
[00:27:12] front, that would be to the advantage
[00:27:16] of the Russians.
[00:27:20] Russians don't have to send their people to the Balkans, they just
[00:27:23] need to see that second front created and people in
[00:27:27] Bosnia killing each other, that would be a huge problem for
[00:27:30] the West. That's why I think. I think we should really take
[00:27:34] this situation seriously.
[00:27:37] We must recognize that Dodik is doing something, so I have
[00:27:41] always taken Dodik
[00:27:42] seriously.
[00:27:46] We know how elections are held in
[00:27:49] Republika Srpska, they are not perfect, but
[00:27:53] he has been an elected politician for a long time in that entity and he is
[00:27:56] a democratically confirmed politician in that entity,
[00:28:00] in a way he has to fulfill what he promises, and what he
[00:28:04] promises is secession.
[00:28:07] And that's why I think we must take his words seriously,
[00:28:11] as well as his ties with Russia.
[00:28:14] That's right, well, of course Russia seems to
[00:28:17] support all this that is
[00:28:19] happening. Dodik says that there are 15 countries
[00:28:23] that would immediately recognize an independent Republika Srpska. What
[00:28:26] do you think, professor, would that be Russia,
[00:28:30] Israel, Hungary. Even America under
[00:28:33] Trump
[00:28:44] Trump would recognize the independence of Republika
[00:28:47] Srpska. America under
[00:28:49] Trump.
[00:28:51] I think there are political ways in Washington,
[00:28:55] you saw that in the latest legislation
[00:28:59] in the law that was... passed,
[00:29:03] so, democratization, economic
[00:29:06] development, as well as the European future for Bosnia and
[00:29:09] Herzegovina are supported. You can see that that
[00:29:12] political, political weight is actually significant
[00:29:16] and that's why I
[00:29:18] don't think,
[00:29:21] I don't think that the United States of America would recognize
[00:29:24] an independent Republika Srpska, and actually for
[00:29:28] 15 countries to do that, that would be a disaster.
[00:29:36] for Republika Srpska, not just for Bosnia, but for Republika Srpska. So, that's not enough to
[00:29:39] get real international
[00:29:41] recognition. Kosovo received recognition from
[00:29:45] 115 countries, it is still not universally
[00:29:48] accepted, as for Republika Srpska, they will not be
[00:29:52] level. Would
[00:29:55] Russia, would Israel, would Hungary, Serbia
[00:29:58] recognize recognize Republika Srpska
[00:30:02] if? Dodik really carries out all his threats and declares secession.
[00:30:24] cause serious problems, since they
[00:30:27] do not recognize Palestine, how could they then recognize Republika
[00:30:30] Srpska. They do not allow the recognition
[00:30:34] of Palestine, the same applies to Russia, let's say Russia claims
[00:30:37] that Ukraine is
[00:30:40] theirs, would they really be happy, or satisfied if
[00:30:44] Republika Srpska were recognized, I highly doubt it,
[00:30:47] that would be inconsistent with their policy
[00:30:51] towards Ukraine. As for Hungary,
[00:30:53] Hungary should be
[00:30:57] restrained by the policy of the European Union.