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[00:00:00] that does not bring results. Let's start with that and
[00:00:03] then we can talk about everything else.
[00:00:07] I asked the previous guest what is actually
[00:00:10] all that omission that an adequate sanction, how
[00:00:14] for Serbia and for individuals in Serbia in
[00:00:16] Republika Srpska who were present at all this, glorified and all
[00:00:20] those images that we watched.
[00:00:23] It is certainly not a sanction that Kaja Kalaas
[00:00:26] will bypass her visit to Serbia
[00:00:30] this time or Ursula von der Leyen, who will bypass
[00:00:33] her visit to Serbia in October as part of her
[00:00:36] tour of the Western Balkans. What
[00:00:40] then is adequate? Will they resort to some concrete
[00:00:44] sanctions, well, even freezing funds
[00:00:46] for the regime in Belgrade, but also sanctions
[00:00:49] for individuals?
[00:00:51] That is a concrete sanction. Many are asking for it, those who
[00:00:55] analyze and read the possible instruments, that is,
[00:00:59] the application of that. "How could Serbia be scrutinized,
[00:01:02] because the conclusion is already after
[00:01:05] the first question, the first statement that it does not
[00:01:08] produce good results so far, this,
[00:01:11] but I would not say that it is not a good
[00:01:15] start to announce the postponement of the visit by
[00:01:18] Marta Kos. We will see about Ursula von der Leyen. I must
[00:01:22] tell you that I was constantly in contact with some
[00:01:25] officials of the European Union, of course, as much as my
[00:01:29] capacity as a bilateral ambassador allows,
[00:01:32] but in this specific situation,
[00:01:35] Belgrade is postponed and then that because Bosnia and Herzegovina as a victim, a victim of genocide committed
[00:01:39] by Ratko Mladić, convicted of war crimes,
[00:01:42] that is, genocide against Bosniaks, is the one
[00:01:45] who asks, and given the situation that not
[00:01:49] all our diplomatic representatives properly
[00:01:51] propagate, demand a principled,
[00:01:55] will is needed, now considering principled attitude from the European Union. A good start, I say,
[00:01:59] the announcement of delay. But if there is not precisely what you
[00:02:02] said, that there will be sanctions on the
[00:02:06] pocket, that is, to say that European funds cannot
[00:02:10] should be raised to be counted on, that it is not humanitarian aid, that it is not
[00:02:13] a blank check, that no stabilocracy
[00:02:17] is bought with that, then in politics
[00:02:20] and especially diplomacy where protocol is important,
[00:02:24] where it is the art
[00:02:26] of presentation, how it is all served and shown
[00:02:30] to the public is also important. I intervened
[00:02:33] in one of the cabinets, well, let's not
[00:02:36] reveal everything now, but we said, no matter
[00:02:40] who is in power in Sarajevo, given that it is
[00:02:44] a journalist from Radio Free Europe, on a long-term process, we who currently hold these
[00:02:47] high diplomatic functions will truly
[00:02:51] monitor what the minimum
[00:02:54] level of cordiality towards officials in
[00:02:58] Belgrade, specifically the president, Vučić, and when it comes
[00:03:01] to the President of the European Council,
[00:03:04] Mr. Costa, and of course Ursula von der Leyen, who can
[00:03:08] be cordial to such an extent that it leaves
[00:03:11] a wrong impression or a wrong image or
[00:03:15] even encourages those forces that draw
[00:03:18] wrong conclusions, instead of delivering
[00:03:22] a message that says: you are on the brink, you are
[00:03:25] on the border, you have crossed the border, the freezing of funds
[00:03:28] truly follows. What you will
[00:03:31] feel in your pocket will follow,
[00:03:34] and the freezing of
[00:03:37] membership negotiations for the European Union for some time. Yes, because
[00:03:41] if we look at how Aleksandar Vučić balances all this,
[00:03:44] he did not appear at the funeral, he justified
[00:03:48] it by saying that he had meetings with the President of Uzbekistan, whose
[00:03:51] visit was announced, you know, several months
[00:03:55] earlier, on the other hand, the state stood behind
[00:03:58] all that. funeral, and then that is precisely
[00:04:02] the question: can Serbia simultaneously sit on two chairs, will
[00:04:05] the European Union turn a blind eye to this,
[00:04:09] Aleksandar Vučić, so that he continues to receive billions
[00:04:13] of euros from those pre-accession funds, while at the same time leading a policy,
[00:04:17] you know, that directly undermines both neighbors and glorifies
[00:04:20] war criminals.
[00:04:23] That is the real question, dear Ena, so the question from before,
[00:04:26] we are actualizing it now, sitting on two, on
[00:04:30] three chairs, and why the European Union
[00:04:33] tolerated it, especially in the context
[00:04:36] of enlargement, and when we talk about enlargement, it's not just Serbia, you know,
[00:04:40] first of all, we have a favorite, you know, here is
[00:04:43] Montenegro and Herzegovina which does not give up, we
[00:04:47] have no alternative but membership in the European Union, then
[00:04:50] if that
[00:04:53] presence on two chairs is allowed, if
[00:04:56] the right to warn about such a charade is allowed, that
[00:05:00] we pretend, I am talking
[00:05:03] generally about the understanding of the European Union, about the members
[00:05:07] of the European Union, and the Prime Minister of Croatia, Plenković, reacted
[00:05:10] well when he pointed his finger
[00:05:13] at the right things, I might say something more about that later,
[00:05:16] allow me, but we can no longer
[00:05:19] pretend that we don't see, that we don't know, that we don't read,
[00:05:23] no, the European Union must know that we
[00:05:26] perfectly well understand how
[00:05:29] President Vučić set this up, we understand
[00:05:33] and realize that the European Union understands, regardless of
[00:05:36] the moderate, balanced
[00:05:39] diplomatic statements or initially... communications that
[00:05:43] evolved into something sharper stances,
[00:05:46] that means that the moment has come, here we are returning
[00:05:50] to those red lines, when we cannot
[00:05:54] warn that it cannot go like this,
[00:05:58] business as usual cannot,
[00:06:01] President Vučić, I read a report,
[00:06:04] he talked about there being between
[00:06:07] 120 and 150,000
[00:06:10] people present at the funeral of the war
[00:06:13] criminal Mladić, and that they as a state provided
[00:06:17] all the logistics, then
[00:06:20] we know there were five ministers, we know there were state
[00:06:24] insignia, we know it was by state plane, we know all these facts,
[00:06:27] so the European Union can no
[00:06:30] longer just hide behind a
[00:06:34] generalized statement, it must go
[00:06:37] a step further and, what is most important, it must show
[00:06:41] all of us, because... it will be difficult after some time if everything
[00:06:45] repeats itself, the departure to
[00:06:48] cordiality repeats itself, which I say
[00:06:51] we officially complained about in conversation, I as
[00:06:55] an ambassador spoke about it, because
[00:06:58] here the line is already being crossed where you must be a little
[00:07:02] diplomatically dissonant, you cannot do everything within
[00:07:05] the parameters that are only allowed to you, you must express
[00:07:09] your great dissatisfaction, which we have done, and
[00:07:13] we saw that it is,
[00:07:15] we don't have exact data, but we have grounds,
[00:07:18] I talked to many diplomats here in
[00:07:21] Brussels, that we believe that it is still about some
[00:07:25] agreement, Aleksandar Vučić, President
[00:07:28] Vučić agreed not to attend
[00:07:31] the funeral, but he also received permission to
[00:07:35] handle everything logistically, ceremonially and
[00:07:38] protocolarily, and everything else as if it were...
[00:07:42] that charade, a private, or
[00:07:45] rather, a family funeral, and yet the state stood behind it,
[00:07:49] we understand that, that is the message, to conclude with that question,
[00:07:52] that is our message from Sarajevo from Brussels, we understand
[00:07:56] that and we cannot accept
[00:08:00] that we continue in the same way,
[00:08:03] if you want a change, we all do, then you must
[00:08:06] change the way you work, yes, but here
[00:08:10] we are mentioning Serbia now, but the representatives
[00:08:12] and politicians from the entity of Republika Srpska cannot be absolved, the entire
[00:08:16] political leadership went to
[00:08:19] Belgrade for that funeral, both representatives of the government and representatives
[00:08:22] of the opposition, what could the European Union
[00:08:25] do, for example, regarding those
[00:08:28] officials?
[00:08:30] The European Union has enough instruments for
[00:08:33] sanctioning, whether it is something harsher
[00:08:37] or something milder sanctioning,
[00:08:39] of course, it can
[00:08:43] be treated as a kind
[00:08:46] of political or diplomatic outcast in some
[00:08:49] future period, one cannot communicate with them,
[00:08:52] after all, by everything they paraded in Belgrade
[00:08:55] I use that word within this
[00:08:59] manifestation, they violated the
[00:09:03] laws of Bosnia and Herzegovina, whoever violates the laws of Bosnia and
[00:09:06] Herzegovina, in a context where Bosnia and Herzegovina
[00:09:10] 100% accepted the principles and positions
[00:09:13] of the European Union in terms of aligning
[00:09:16] our foreign political policy with the European Union,
[00:09:19] if we have done that, then the European Union should
[00:09:23] insist on helping us to apply that rule of law,
[00:09:27] which is a fundamental principle, and
[00:09:30] it is known how to sanction someone if they have violated
[00:09:33] the law, such a serious offense, such as
[00:09:36] denying or glorifying war, denying
[00:09:40] genocide and war crimes and glorifying
[00:09:43] war crimes in one way or another through mimicry or
[00:09:46] openly, you know, it is again about us correctly
[00:09:50] reading that, all, almost the entire public
[00:09:54] reads it correctly, I don't want to be a
[00:09:57] cynic of the kind to say that the pre-election campaign
[00:10:01] has started in the smaller BiH entity and that they are
[00:10:04] obviously using it for that purpose, unfortunately,
[00:10:08] unfortunately, again galvanizing around
[00:10:11] themselves... That ignorance or insufficient
[00:10:15] in the process, or rather in the years that have passed,
[00:10:18] of a process like
[00:10:22] there was in Germany after the Second
[00:10:26] World War, the Germans, you know, had denazification, we did not have sufficient
[00:10:29] education in the region, I will say that, well, that is
[00:10:35] the European Union, which is in focus today,
[00:10:39] must not turn a blind eye anymore,
[00:10:43] and now the question is how it will stop turning a blind eye,
[00:10:46] you mentioned that judiciary, which is a cancer of our society, the reform
[00:10:49] of the judiciary is one of the basic conditions for
[00:10:52] acceding to the European
[00:10:55] Union. On the other hand, how is it that we have been waiting for so many
[00:10:59] years, and now at this moment, the European Union can
[00:11:03] force the judiciary to do its
[00:11:06] job and implement existing laws, because, in the case of denial
[00:11:10] and glorification of war criminals, the judiciary is actually not working, it is not
[00:11:14] filing indictments,
[00:11:16] how
[00:11:19] there is a American approach,
[00:11:22] excuse me, I am in a way an American... guy because I was
[00:11:25] formed and formatted privately
[00:11:28] and professionally of course in New York, you cannot
[00:11:32] constantly expect from someone, no matter that he
[00:11:36] holds a senior position or
[00:11:39] institutionally above you that he will solve
[00:11:42] the matter, you must come with some, I will use
[00:11:46] a colloquial expression a prepared,
[00:11:49] well-thought-out story, a request,
[00:11:53] specifically what you will ask from the one who supervises
[00:11:57] your progress, your reform, and that must be done,
[00:12:00] after all, we saw now in this example that if it weren't for a few, I must tell
[00:12:04] you, brave journalists, both because of your
[00:12:07] profession and because of my former profession, who were
[00:12:11] asking Mrs. Pinto, the spokesperson
[00:12:14] of the European Commission at the beginning,
[00:12:18] those, so to speak, awkward questions, valid, real
[00:12:21] questions, the European Union would not have moved
[00:12:25] things even regarding the statement, I am free to say that if it weren't for
[00:12:28] us diplomats who on the 27th,
[00:12:31] Ratko Mladić died, we were already
[00:12:34] communicating on the 28th, I communicated
[00:12:38] with five ambassadors,
[00:12:41] I communicated, I called after a few days I also
[00:12:44] saw the Belgian Foreign Minister who was the first and only one
[00:12:48] from the European Union to react appropriately
[00:12:51] before his departure to Dublin.
[00:12:55] So, you have to do that in response to your question,
[00:12:59] that you are constantly present and that you disagree, you are not
[00:13:02] again an American rubber stamp, a tax stamp
[00:13:06] that always needs to be noticed,
[00:13:09] affixed, you say this with all due respect,
[00:13:12] with all due respect, I disagree,
[00:13:15] and we believe, we want this to be
[00:13:18] an effective approach, that's it,
[00:13:22] yes, when you talk about those reactions, you also
[00:13:25] took some actions towards certain ambassadors,
[00:13:28] but we didn't see any special
[00:13:31] messages from European countries, you know,
[00:13:35] today we had a reaction from the Bundestag,
[00:13:38] on the other hand, we don't, we haven't heard
[00:13:42] the president, I don't know, of France, Spain, nobody has
[00:13:45] spoken out on this issue to condemn actually all this that
[00:13:49] is happening. So, it would be
[00:13:53] best to stick to Brussels here, even though
[00:13:57] I first called the Croatian ambassador, I spoke
[00:14:01] with Joško Para, because he is our first neighbor, then I
[00:14:04] called the German Ambassador, Martin
[00:14:08] Kothaus, then I called the British Ambassador
[00:14:11] Anne Sheriff, and she responded exceptionally and
[00:14:15] sent a personalized letter and of course the Belgian
[00:14:19] side, I emphasize again, I am a bilateral
[00:14:22] ambassador, but I must somewhat intervene.
[00:14:25] with the awareness of the European Union, because frankly
[00:14:28] speaking, our ambassador to the European Union, who represented
[00:14:32] us here in Brussels, is part of that fragmented, to say the
[00:14:36] least, BH diplomacy under the influence of, or with
[00:14:39] full loyalty to
[00:14:42] Milorad Dodik, so, we are talking about
[00:14:45] Mr. Kesić above me, and
[00:14:49] we must intervene there, the Belgians intervened
[00:14:52] well, it is up to us... I say not to drop
[00:14:56] the ball, that's what they say in America, don't drop the ball,
[00:15:00] we cannot drop it as long as
[00:15:04] this, I would say, kind of
[00:15:07] projected, perhaps even intentional moral
[00:15:10] ambivalence lasts, in real politik, politics,
[00:15:13] morality may be in another place, certainly not
[00:15:16] a priority, but it is present, we have
[00:15:21] it, it is not any whining,
[00:15:25] after all, if it weren't for those moral reactions of journalists
[00:15:28] and us diplomats, I assure you, look, I will give
[00:15:31] you information, yesterday there was
[00:15:35] a lunch that was prepared by
[00:15:38] the Italian ambassador to the European Union,
[00:15:41] they invited Marta Komesar for Enlargement
[00:15:44] here in Brussels. There were representatives,
[00:15:48] ambassadors who represent countries from
[00:15:50] the former Yugoslavia in the European Union. So, I am
[00:15:54] bilateral and was not invited, but I
[00:15:57] received complete, one hundred percent information about what
[00:16:00] happened. And I can tell you that
[00:16:03] our ambassador to the European Union definitely
[00:16:06] had a confrontation with the Croatian ambassador
[00:16:10] about what happened in Belgrade, and from there
[00:16:14] these strong and correct reactions
[00:16:17] from Zagreb are a hint of other reactions, because
[00:16:21] neither the Croats, nor the Croatian ministry, nor the Croatian government
[00:16:25] will easily let this go, at least that's how we see
[00:16:28] it at this moment, and
[00:16:32] we must ourselves
[00:16:35] promote millimeter by millimeter,
[00:16:38] we are doing that, that is agile and above all
[00:16:42] public diplomacy, to transparently publish it through any
[00:16:45] channel we have, even if it's a
[00:16:48] social network, but to do it credibly,
[00:16:51] dates, people,
[00:16:54] a fact that we can communicate, because sometimes
[00:16:58] in diplomacy, conversations are held behind closed doors that are not for the public, but
[00:17:02] the point of the message of those conversations, we must
[00:17:05] constantly present to the public, dear Ena, I assure
[00:17:09] you that we have been doing this intensely
[00:17:12] for about ten days, and above all, I must say
[00:17:16] here that we are doing this only now, because it is an incident
[00:17:20] or an ongoing crisis, the chairman of the presidency
[00:17:23] Dr. Bečilović has been doing this continuously for several
[00:17:27] years, from New York to Washington and Brussels,
[00:17:30] I think it is important to do this and have prevention,
[00:17:34] we behave that way. How important
[00:17:37] is this in all that we had such a reaction from Zagreb, we heard the statement
[00:17:41] of Prime Minister Zoran Plenković, Andrej
[00:17:44] Plenković, who actually said that all this
[00:17:48] a much higher level, how important is that really,
[00:17:51] and do you expect greater engagement in the European Parliament
[00:17:55] in the European Union of the Republic of Croatia on this
[00:17:59] issue? Absolutely, here is the
[00:18:02] order of events as it all was. I spoke
[00:18:05] several times with the correspondent of the Croatian Jutarnji list
[00:18:09] from Zagreb, Augustin Palokaj, he is my former
[00:18:12] colleague, I was a correspondent for Jutarnji from New York,
[00:18:15] and he is that journalist and two other
[00:18:18] journalists, one is
[00:18:22] whom Plenković relied, he publicly said that when he read
[00:18:26] the column of Mr. Palokaj, who is
[00:18:29] often your guest on N1, that he
[00:18:32] saw two things that sound an alarm, number
[00:18:35] one, that that bureaucratic structure, you know, in the office
[00:18:39] of the spokesperson of the European Union, Mrs. Pinto, 85
[00:18:43] people work, the European Union covers about
[00:18:46] 400 million people, in the office
[00:18:49] of the UN, where I spent 30 years, which covers
[00:18:53] for public relations, for public affairs, which
[00:18:57] covers several billion people with its
[00:19:00] announcements, about 15 people work, so that
[00:19:03] bureaucracy, Plenković said, referring to the colleague's statement.
[00:19:07] Palokaj knows less and less,
[00:19:11] relies more and more on some knowledge that is, of course,
[00:19:15] appropriate to their generation, but we cannot
[00:19:18] reduce knowledge to generation, we must
[00:19:21] institutionalize that knowledge, that memory,
[00:19:24] the culture of memory, precisely as we
[00:19:28] have, not only us, but it is now urbi et orbi
[00:19:31] announced to the whole world as an
[00:19:33] instrument, the resolution of the United Nations General
[00:19:37] Assembly on Srebrenica,
[00:19:39] permanent memorials, we must
[00:19:43] use that as tools, as instruments,
[00:19:46] "tools" is too small a word, too mild a word
[00:19:50] for that, but as an instrument certainly, and I think that
[00:19:53] Croatia, I am sure, in discussions with their
[00:19:56] diplomats, will escalate, in quotation marks, diplomatically
[00:20:00] escalate this, with the delivery of new
[00:20:03] diplomatic invoices, at the very least a warning
[00:20:06] to the official. Simply, Croatia, Bosnia
[00:20:10] and Herzegovina at this moment do not agree to the
[00:20:13] charade that is being served from
[00:20:17] Belgrade by President Vučić, he
[00:20:20] tries to continue as before, saying one thing for the
[00:20:23] domestic public, and another when he speaks
[00:20:27] with officials, but we also
[00:20:31] expect that the European Union's top
[00:20:34] officials, President Costa, President
[00:20:39] Kaja Kalaas, who is absolutely, we understand this,
[00:20:41] burdened, has as a priority both Ukraine and relations with
[00:20:45] Russia, but everyone must understand, including Mrs.
[00:20:49] Kalaas, that Bosnia and Herzegovina and all that
[00:20:52] is happening are very much not only a matter
[00:20:56] of enlargement, the question of enlargement, but
[00:20:58] a matter of what is absolutely
[00:21:02] Europe's priority, namely European
[00:21:05] security. This security here is important,
[00:21:08] it is important that what happened does not happen again, I hope
[00:21:12] it won't and we believe and are working to prevent it,
[00:21:16] but it must be taken seriously. Croatia is definitely moving forward,
[00:21:19] I can tell you from conversations with Croatian
[00:21:22] diplomats, when you say, this security
[00:21:25] is important, do you expect the European Union to stand
[00:21:29] more behind Bosnia and Herzegovina, you just
[00:21:32] mentioned that the European Union somehow favors
[00:21:36] Montenegro, the question also arises, when it comes
[00:21:39] to these integration processes, you know, then the question arises
[00:21:42] why, because it gives it a tailwind,
[00:21:45] despite the internal political turbulences that Bosnia and Herzegovina
[00:21:48] clearly has. "and it somehow keeps us in
[00:21:52] that waiting room.
[00:21:55] Exactly, that is the correct order of
[00:21:58] words, Ena, I assure you that for
[00:22:02] a year or so, and that is good news, we have broken
[00:22:06] that narrative that we cannot complain, and the complaint roughly
[00:22:10] consists of two things, number one, when you warn
[00:22:14] Bosnia and Herzegovina that it is lagging behind in European laws,
[00:22:17] please, do not generally warn
[00:22:20] the entire state, do not warn all officials,
[00:22:23] functionaries, do not inform me as an ambassador here in Brussels, because
[00:22:27] come to my embassy and you will see that I have applied in the microcosm
[00:22:30] what are called European standards and
[00:22:34] European norms, so call out
[00:22:37] and point "name, blame and shame" as Americans
[00:22:40] would say, and with your finger and more than
[00:22:44] shame, put on the pillar of shame those who are
[00:22:47] obstructionists, who are obstructionists. And number
[00:22:50] two, and we have been talking about this for a long time, we
[00:22:54] support Montenegro being a favorite,
[00:22:57] even moving faster towards European
[00:23:01] membership, we are not at all jealous, we are not at all
[00:23:04] envious, because in realpolitik we believe
[00:23:08] and understand that the more Europe there is in the region, in
[00:23:11] our neighborhood, that means more security for this
[00:23:15] southeastern part, for our Balkan part of Europe, so we
[00:23:18] support that, but at the same time, we are already reminding, especially when
[00:23:22] Ukraine is concerned, which is favored in such a way
[00:23:25] that it is often said that it should be admitted to the European Union
[00:23:29] via a shortcut, then not us, but
[00:23:32] here is a new, different Prime Minister
[00:23:35] of Hungary, Mr. Magyar said that there
[00:23:38] should be no favoritism towards other
[00:23:42] Balkan countries, indeed, first and foremost, we are thinking of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:23:46] because let's not forget what a bloody war against Bosnia
[00:23:50] was waged from '92 to
[00:23:53] '95, about whose reminiscences and
[00:23:56] consequences, genocide and so on, we are talking
[00:23:59] 30 years later,
[00:24:02] we forget and favor some, and
[00:24:06] we forget how our inferno,
[00:24:09] at least politically, by the highest officials,
[00:24:13] there are many examples, we won't go back in history,
[00:24:17] it is certainly put aside, for a year or so...
[00:24:20] that's about the time, I speak openly
[00:24:23] about it, there is no echo yet, I must
[00:24:27] tell you, that it is understood
[00:24:30] that it is taken as a criterion, on the contrary,
[00:24:33] I think, well, I am told, do not
[00:24:37] say that, because Ukraine, Moldova, Montenegro,
[00:24:40] despite those internal problems, are making
[00:24:43] progress, and we are, you know, being criticized for those famous
[00:24:47] two laws, and we who
[00:24:50] can always say and warn, of course,
[00:24:53] again with the remark, well, who is obstructing those two
[00:24:57] laws, which coalition, which connection,
[00:25:00] and everything is clear.
[00:25:02] That is precisely my next question based on everything you
[00:25:06] said, will, you mentioned Ukraine and Montenegro,
[00:25:10] how then does Bosnia differ Herzegovina, why not
[00:25:13] turn a blind eye to it, so here's a question,
[00:25:17] do you believe that the European Union could apply that principle of forcing
[00:25:20] progress when it comes to Bosnia and Herzegovina, or will it finally start using
[00:25:24] those mechanisms that will force domestic politicians, those obstructionists you
[00:25:27] mentioned earlier, into much-needed
[00:25:30] reforms? The European Union will not agree,
[00:25:34] first of all, with such rhetoric, such definitions, dear Ena, and if
[00:25:38] I said so and if I asked for it,
[00:25:41] there are inquiries, of course, because they
[00:25:44] are still a large organization, the best place
[00:25:48] when it comes to human rights. And when it comes to geopolitics,
[00:25:51] but the European Union is aware that geopolitics must not
[00:25:55] devour principles, that this
[00:25:58] must not happen in the epicenter of the Western Balkans, in the epicenter of Europe.
[00:26:02] Safety, I am not exaggerating, that is Bosnia and
[00:26:05] Herzegovina. Besides, you have the former Slovenian Prime Minister,
[00:26:09] Mr. Robert Golob, who at
[00:26:12] one of the Bled forums said: we must, and he literally
[00:26:15] said, turn a blind eye to Bosnia and
[00:26:18] Herzegovina, because it is a matter of our
[00:26:22] security, it is not just a matter of our
[00:26:25] goodwill that this is somehow justified,
[00:26:29] Ena confirms, regardless of all the criteria being met.
[00:26:32] And when all the criteria are met, when all the clusters are closed,
[00:26:36] and when therefore, when that
[00:26:39] technical part is done, then that
[00:26:42] political decision from all 27
[00:26:46] countries of the European Union, member states, needs to be
[00:26:50] confirmed in their parliaments, in their governments, first and foremost, before
[00:26:53] anything else, that they will not
[00:26:57] oppose, so that Croatia, for example, will not oppose
[00:27:00] Montenegro's membership unless "Montenegro does not
[00:27:03] make any wrong move, wrong nationalist
[00:27:07] narrative, which would be understood as a threat. We all follow that
[00:27:10] and their attitude towards minorities, you know there are many Bosniaks
[00:27:13] in Montenegro, here there are many Bosniaks and Montenegrins,
[00:27:17] so we follow that, and again, in the end,
[00:27:21] good political will in that context,
[00:27:24] we say, when we know that in the end, when all
[00:27:27] those conditions are met, those homework assignments, that
[00:27:30] political will..." then let's start right
[00:27:34] at the beginning, now in the process, let's work on that
[00:27:37] political will, instead of forcing
[00:27:40] them, because they don't like, I say, that rhetoric, be
[00:27:44] mentors, offer them, make an offer
[00:27:48] that they definitely won't be able to refuse
[00:27:51] one way or another, when you say
[00:27:54] good political
[00:27:58] that we are in this pre-election period, elections are coming, after
[00:28:02] that... the formation of government, so how do you, from
[00:28:05] the position of an ambassador, view the development of the situation regarding our
[00:28:09] European path, the question is when will it be, how
[00:28:13] long will it take after the elections to form a government,
[00:28:16] so, if we follow everything that
[00:28:19] we have witnessed in previous election processes,
[00:28:22] it takes about four to five months, then
[00:28:26] does our European path
[00:28:29] wait with that? My answer to... your question, I
[00:28:33] don't know, the second answer to your question,
[00:28:36] I absolutely must not get involved in that for the simple
[00:28:40] reason that I don't have enough indicators, and I am preoccupied with
[00:28:43] some other current things here, but in
[00:28:47] any case, there will be voices from
[00:28:50] Brussels that will insist on efficiency,
[00:28:53] on being efficient, just like last time,
[00:28:56] it's a matter of internal political coalitions, as everywhere in
[00:29:00] every country, that... It's a matter of, uh,
[00:29:04] to put it colloquially, how much each one will be willing
[00:29:07] to swallow water, to say what has been
[00:29:10] said, responsibly or
[00:29:13] irresponsibly, the criticisms that have been directed at
[00:29:16] each other, in other words, these elections will pass like all
[00:29:20] others, but we must not
[00:29:22] lose what is called not seeing the forest
[00:29:26] for the trees and vice versa, we must
[00:29:29] know what our priorities are and this is our...
[00:29:32] priority, we must know how far we have come, so as not to
[00:29:36] constantly go back to the beginning, so if we have reached this stage, so to
[00:29:40] speak, uh, of an
[00:29:43] educational and argumentative objection
[00:29:46] to our partners and allies, then let
[00:29:50] us continue with that in an articulate, diplomatically
[00:29:53] permissible, but always
[00:29:56] non-dissonant way, but to be, if
[00:29:59] necessary, somehow...... and
[00:30:03] more impulsive, without creating any
[00:30:06] escalation, but simply to say, wait, we
[00:30:10] can't do that.
[00:30:13] Ambassador, thank you very much for your time, we spoke
[00:30:17] about these very important topics, both for Bosnia and Herzegovina and the entire
[00:30:20] region. Thank you, dear
[00:30:24] Ena. Dear viewers, that was Ero Lavdović, Ambassador of Bosnia
[00:30:28] and Herzegovina to Belgium and Luxembourg. Stay
[00:30:31] tuned. Live, we will be in
[00:30:34] Belgrade soon.
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